Speaker 1: Ah, this is Chase Utley and this is the Phillies Show.
Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, Welcome to The Philly Show. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior,
Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury, Todd's Lucky. It's Friday, September twenty seventh, twenty
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Speaker 2: Jim and I Today. Jim. How we doing.
Speaker 3: We're doing good, doing well, well, getting ready for that
Speaker 3: final Phillies series of the season. And they keep checking
Speaker 3: off some of their goals here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they did one last night or Wednesday night.
Speaker 2: They clinched the first round by, which is something that
Speaker 2: obviously they wanted to do, even though the Braves have
Speaker 2: said that, oh man, that first round by was a
Speaker 2: killer for us. Are you buying the first round and
Speaker 2: buy stuff?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 2: Is that? If you're a Phillies fan, should you be
Speaker 2: nervous about the first round by?
Speaker 3: I think just as many teams have, you know, conquered
Speaker 3: that week off. I mean, Houston's had it a while
Speaker 3: and they seem to do pretty well, you know. But
Speaker 3: I do think baseball is an everyday game and you
Speaker 3: need to keep your sharpness in your edge and somehow
Speaker 3: don't play well it becomes a convenient excuse that, you know,
Speaker 3: we lost our edge because there was a buy. But
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a perfect solution. I think
Speaker 3: you have to take it on a case by case basis.
Speaker 3: When I look at this Phillies team with a lot
Speaker 3: of stars north of thirty, a lot of stars banged up,
Speaker 3: you know, some really key starting pitchers and bullpen guys
Speaker 3: who've carried a heavy load on this particular team, I
Speaker 3: think the rest is going to be valuable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. But we kind of talked
Speaker 2: about this the last time when we got together, and
Speaker 2: Bryce mentioned made a point to mention that clinching the buy,
Speaker 2: and they say, and then we'll see what the lineups
Speaker 2: look like after that, almost saying like, yeah, I can
Speaker 2: maybe use a couple of days. He didn't want to
Speaker 2: name anybody else. He'said, a bunch of guys can maybe
Speaker 2: use a couple of days. Uh, those final three or
Speaker 2: four games to give them a little bit there. What's that?
Speaker 3: But they've played?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, Well, I think I think it sounded
Speaker 2: to me like they wanted to make sure they locked
Speaker 2: up that buy. So it will be interesting to see
Speaker 2: what the lineups do look like this weekend in Washington.
Speaker 3: And with the bye they're going to get their rest.
Speaker 3: They're going to get their rest.
Speaker 2: That's also true. Yeah, that's also true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, would you be gonna I think they I think
Speaker 3: the rest will will do them.
Speaker 2: Well, go ahead, No, I was gonna say, do you
Speaker 2: Rob basically said, I'm not going to put guys in
Speaker 2: harm's way to get that number one seed. What would
Speaker 2: you do? How? In other words, how important is that
Speaker 2: number one seed to you?
Speaker 3: It's it's important to me, especially in the NLCS, But
Speaker 3: you've got to get there, So yeah, you have to prioritize.
Speaker 3: I think you always have to prioritize the health of
Speaker 3: your players because they're the guys who ultimately will deliver
Speaker 3: you where you want to go. So, you know, Wheeler
Speaker 3: and Nola pitch what Saturday and Sunday. Yep, I'm just
Speaker 3: monitoring if if if if you know, if if they're
Speaker 3: cruising and you're up six nothing, then yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: protect them and get them out of there and try
Speaker 3: to save a little bit for a few bullets. If if, if,
Speaker 3: if you go into that game, you know, basically tied
Speaker 3: with the Dodgers and or a game behind the Dodgers,
Speaker 3: and you need that game, and they're they're losing or whatever. Uh,
Speaker 3: and and you're not and you're not stressing. These pitchers
Speaker 3: are not stressing physically, then they might ride them a
Speaker 3: little bit. So you know, it's kind of read and
Speaker 3: react as the game goes along. As the game goes along.
Speaker 3: But if I think they're in peril, if I think
Speaker 3: putting their their health and jeopardy or their performance over
Speaker 3: the next week, two weeks, three weeks, and you know,
Speaker 3: hopefully a month, uh in peril, then I'm getting him
Speaker 3: out of there. I don't think the home field it
Speaker 3: would be nice to have, really nice to have, but
Speaker 3: it is not the be all and end all. And
Speaker 3: we saw that in eight No. Nine when the Phillies
Speaker 3: danced off the field in Dodger Stadium. This team can
Speaker 3: win anywhere if it plays well.
Speaker 2: Agree one hundred percent. Now here's a dumb This might
Speaker 2: be a dumb question for you. But Saturday is Wheelers start,
Speaker 2: and I was looking at his numbers because everybody's talking
Speaker 2: about cy Young. He's at an one hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: three and two thirds innings, so he's got to go
Speaker 2: six and a third to hit two hundred, and I
Speaker 2: know everybody's gonna say, who cares. I think that's a
Speaker 2: number that means something to Zach. So if say he's
Speaker 2: pitching well, but the pitch count, I'm not saying he's
Speaker 2: getting in a danger zone area. Would you push him
Speaker 2: to six and the third just to get him two
Speaker 2: hundred innings if you're Rob Thompson, or do you go
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, buddy, I know you want to get there.
Speaker 2: And maybe maybe Zach would say, I don't, I really
Speaker 2: don't care. But two hundred innings. I think there's only
Speaker 2: been like one guy this year that that gets over
Speaker 2: that number.
Speaker 3: It all depends on the stress that he has pitched
Speaker 3: to that day, how stressful the inning are right inning one, two, three,
Speaker 3: four or five six. It depends if he's sailing and
Speaker 3: he's cruising, you know, yeah why not, because he's not
Speaker 3: going to put him in jeopardy because I need to,
Speaker 3: you know, I need to jump on his back in October.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he So he's not gonna if he's assuming he
Speaker 2: starts gaming one of the nl ds, that would be
Speaker 2: a week from Saturdays, have a whole week yeah, rest,
Speaker 2: So I don't know something that it jumped in my
Speaker 2: head when popped in my head when I was looking
Speaker 2: at looking at his season stats, and like, does he
Speaker 2: actually have a chance to beat Chris Sale? Interesting as close?
Speaker 3: I think you're one hundred percent right though. I'm sure
Speaker 3: two hundred innings means a lot to him because he's
Speaker 3: got that old school mentality, you know, finish for you
Speaker 3: start innings mean something, so you know, and you have
Speaker 3: to weigh in the fact that he's going to have
Speaker 3: five days off. I just can't go in with a script.
Speaker 3: I need to see how that day unfolds, how he looks,
Speaker 3: how the ball's coming out of his hands, what what
Speaker 3: the opposing team swings look like. The stress of his innings,
Speaker 3: the stress of his pitches is he is it, you know,
Speaker 3: high stress or kind of is it just smooth sailing?
Speaker 3: All that is going to go into it. And I'm
Speaker 3: also gonna talk to him between innings, so we'll see what,
Speaker 3: you know, We'll see how they how they do.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the Phillies getting a week off. You
Speaker 2: know who's not gonna get the week off is the
Speaker 2: Braves Mets. They get that came raigned out last night,
Speaker 2: so now they have to they're gonna play they They're
Speaker 2: probably gonna play a double header on Monday with Game
Speaker 2: one of the NL Wildcard Series on Tuesday. That's a
Speaker 2: wild situation.
Speaker 3: And the Braves have a tough final series against you know,
Speaker 3: Kansas City that needs every win it can get. Now
Speaker 3: the Braves have to I'm sorry, the Mets have to
Speaker 3: go to Milwaukee, and they got to cut out everything
Speaker 3: they can cut out. It's uh, it's amazing how many
Speaker 3: times we've seen this over the years. You know, we
Speaker 3: always talk about April weather, but September weather impacted so
Speaker 3: many things over the years. You know, I remember hurricanes.
Speaker 3: I remember a hurricane at the VET. They moved the
Speaker 3: time up once. That was chilling, going for three hundred
Speaker 3: strikeouts down in Miami and dodging a hurricane. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's crazy, September weather can because all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: Now it impacts what happens.
Speaker 2: In the playoffs totally. Maybe a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: remember that in DC there was like well then they
Speaker 2: had like four or five games. It was some weird In.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two, there was so much marine and every
Speaker 3: played two doubleheaders, right.
Speaker 2: Every weather experts like they're not playing a single game.
Speaker 2: They got all those games.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable how much Right there was a hurricane.
Speaker 2: Remember Ian, Yeah, they and everybody said there's no chance
Speaker 2: they play these games or there's gonna be a massively.
Speaker 2: They somehow got every single game in. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: And then they got to Houston, in Clinchton, Houston.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what New York is buzzing about. The Mets. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And you know I love stories of teams and players
Speaker 3: that finished strong, like Nick Cassis. He has a big
Speaker 3: night on U on Wednesday. He has really turned it on.
Speaker 3: Since the middle of May. The Houston Astros were left
Speaker 3: for dead. They have really turned it on. The New
Speaker 3: York Mets were left for dead. They have really turned on.
Speaker 3: Both teams. Were are they going to sell? Are they
Speaker 3: going to sell?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: There were you know ones in and ones ones right there.
Speaker 3: But New York is really buzzing. I before I went
Speaker 3: to bed last night, I flipped on the radio as
Speaker 3: I occasionally do, and uh, in Philadelphia it was Eagles.
Speaker 3: That was all they were talking about was Eagles. So
Speaker 3: I flipped up the dial to the New York station.
Speaker 3: All they were talking about was baseball Yankees.
Speaker 2: And the Mets.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, yeah, it's uh so, you know, and part
Speaker 3: of it was because you know, the Mets have been
Speaker 3: hot and now they're now they're facing this rain situation
Speaker 3: in Atlanta. What's that going to do to them? But
Speaker 3: you know, I still think, my god, you know, it
Speaker 3: would be unthinkable back in the back in the day
Speaker 3: because you know, back only the division winners went to
Speaker 3: the playoffs. But can you imagine a Mets Phillies playoffs series?
Speaker 2: If that would be so cool, that would be cool.
Speaker 2: It would be a nightmare logistically for us to cover,
Speaker 2: just because there'd be so many, you know, it's a
Speaker 2: bit the crush of people, but it would be a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. If you're a baseball fan, which which
Speaker 2: we are, that would be a great series. Two teams
Speaker 2: they hate each other.
Speaker 3: Yes, speaking of being a baseball fan, I uh, watching
Speaker 3: some of these highlights of them close the Coliseum in
Speaker 3: Oakland is kind of sad, kind of sad. I mean that,
Speaker 3: you know, when I was just coming of age as
Speaker 3: a baseball fan as a kid, was when the A's
Speaker 3: would winning those three World Series. And I can still
Speaker 3: see highlights in my mind of Gene tennis, hitting a
Speaker 3: bunch of home runs in the World Series and then
Speaker 3: bouncing up that staircase and left field at the Coliseum,
Speaker 3: and then you know the team. I grew up watching
Speaker 3: the seventy five Red Sox school in there and end
Speaker 3: there the as you know, dynasty, the three straight World Series,
Speaker 3: and then as a as a sports writer, as a
Speaker 3: baseball writer, working at the fill off your inquire. Actually
Speaker 3: remember the famous game where where Jeter made that great
Speaker 3: play and cut down and cut down Jeremy Giambi at
Speaker 3: the plate. I actually covered. I was at that game.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yes, sir.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of sad seeing that place closed and
Speaker 3: the fans be disappointed, but yeah, the world changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Ricky Henderson's daughter throughout the first pitch of
Speaker 2: the game the other day, and that's that's where it
Speaker 2: kind of hit me. He's like, gosh, man, I think
Speaker 2: Ricky Henderson. I know he played for the Yankees and
Speaker 2: a bunch of other teams, but for me, he's Oakland,
Speaker 2: A's all the way kid coming up. I think he,
Speaker 2: you know, just running wild against my hometown Brewers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that stadium, there was a kid
Speaker 3: we both know who actually pitched a high school championship
Speaker 3: game or got the save. He played shortstop, then he
Speaker 3: came in and got the save in a big championship
Speaker 3: playoff qualifier Inland, California, in uh prep, you know, high
Speaker 3: school baseball. And he actually threw ninety four miles an
Speaker 3: hour according to his high school coach who told me
Speaker 3: the story. And that kid's name was Jimmy Rollins. So
Speaker 3: that's right, you know, that's right. Now. I think about
Speaker 3: all those things when I see that that building gets
Speaker 3: set to close, and of course they started right here
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia. Now they're going to be moving for a
Speaker 3: fourth time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. So Jim, let's let's let's break out
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Speaker 2: words to me. One thing popped out, sure popped out
Speaker 2: to you too, which is Rob Thompson on what night
Speaker 2: did they clinch? Tuesday night, Monday night, Monday nightday night
Speaker 2: they clinched and Rob Thompson gives a speech. He brings
Speaker 2: in John Middleton and he drops, I want my bleeping
Speaker 2: trophy back. He's been saying for a long time. Maybe
Speaker 2: this is finally the year they're set up for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the history of that remark was they win in
Speaker 3: Oh Wait, and then they get back to the World
Speaker 3: Series and they lose to the Yankees and Yankee Stadium
Speaker 3: and he said that I think Ryan Howard in the
Speaker 3: clubhouse after that loss, and it's become this mantra. You know,
Speaker 3: it's become something you know, we all say and he
Speaker 3: jokes about, but deep down inside, John Middleton means that
Speaker 3: he wants his bleeping trophy back. And you know, he's
Speaker 3: an owner who backs up his words. If I'm a fan,
Speaker 3: he's the type of owner I want owning all my
Speaker 3: teams because he's gonna he wants to win and he's
Speaker 3: going to throw out the resources to back it up
Speaker 3: and try to make it happen. So, yeah, after they clinched,
Speaker 3: you know, in the history of it, we know the
Speaker 3: history going back to two thousand and nine and everybody knows.
Speaker 3: Even Gabe Kaplan mentioned it in his introductory press conference
Speaker 3: years ago. And then when they had the introductory meeting
Speaker 3: in clear Water in February this you know, this spring training,
Speaker 3: John Middleton addressed the team and he, you know, made
Speaker 3: mention of the famous quote and he wants to sleep
Speaker 3: the trophy back. And then before they popped champagne corks
Speaker 3: on Monday night, Ub Thompson brought John Middleton to the
Speaker 3: middle of the room and and said, John, we're gonna
Speaker 3: get it for you. So a lot of confidence, and
Speaker 3: they should be confident. They've got a hell of a team.
Speaker 3: I think they might have the best team entering the
Speaker 3: postseason tournament. But it's about the team that plays the best.
Speaker 3: And there are a lot of aspects of the game
Speaker 3: that they need to shine and darting, pitching, bullpen, defense,
Speaker 3: base running, offense. They need to be consistent on offense,
Speaker 3: avoid some of the some of the things that give
Speaker 3: him a lot of problems. We know what that is,
Speaker 3: chase and swing and miss. And they just need to
Speaker 3: be consistent offensively, defensively, get the starting pitching, get the bullpen.
Speaker 3: It's about the team that plays the best. And if
Speaker 3: they play the best, then they'll get his bleeping trophy
Speaker 3: back exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, he said this a couple of times now with
Speaker 2: the last year, and I love it. He's like, nobody
Speaker 2: really talks about owners who you know, made the most
Speaker 2: money during their tenure. He's like, you know, nobody talks
Speaker 2: about how much money do the Yankees make in the
Speaker 2: twenties and the sixties or whenever they had their runs.
Speaker 2: You know, he wants to be remembered as a guy
Speaker 2: who brought some World Series Championship trophies to the Phillies
Speaker 2: because people will very fondly remember him for that many
Speaker 2: decades from now. Jim, we got some We asked for
Speaker 2: some listener questions, viewer questions, So let's rat off a few.
Speaker 2: Let's start with this one. Everybody, it got a bunch
Speaker 2: of these because it's always on the always on mind.
Speaker 2: This is from thirty Ballparks on Instagram. What does the
Speaker 2: future hold for Taiwan Walker in Philadelphia? J? T. Nason
Speaker 2: on Instagram also asked why would Rob Thompson but Tywan
Speaker 2: Walker in with the bases loaded and two outs? He
Speaker 2: put him in the bases loaded in that second inning
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, Tuesday, basically because he said he needs to
Speaker 2: find out if this guy can come into a dirty
Speaker 2: inning and get the job done, and he showed he
Speaker 2: could not get the job and did not get the
Speaker 2: job done. He walked the first two batters he based,
Speaker 2: both of them were eight pitch at bats. And I
Speaker 2: think that that I mean, I don't see how you
Speaker 2: can put him on the postseason roster. I asked Rob
Speaker 2: after that game on Tuesday, that last bullpen spot. So
Speaker 2: if they the Phillies carry a twelve man pitching staff,
Speaker 2: four starters, eight relievers, it would give him an extra
Speaker 2: bench guy. Does he feel that he needs to have
Speaker 2: that eighth bullpen guy, that last bullpen guy? Does he
Speaker 2: need him to be somebody who if the game goes
Speaker 2: extra innings? Now, remember the current extra inning rules are
Speaker 2: not in play in the postseason, so you don't have
Speaker 2: the automatic runner, so you could theoretically have an eighteen
Speaker 2: inning game. Asked him if he feels like he needs
Speaker 2: somebody that can go four or five six innings in
Speaker 2: an emergency situation. He says he doesn't feel that they
Speaker 2: need that, that they have enough guys in there that
Speaker 2: can go multiple innings, and whoever that eighth man could
Speaker 2: be is going to be somebody that can go multiple innings.
Speaker 2: So I don't think Taiwan is going to be on
Speaker 2: the postseason roster. I don't know how you could put
Speaker 2: him on the postseason roster. I don't know who that
Speaker 2: last guy is going to be, Colby Allard, it could
Speaker 2: be Spencer Turnabull. He's gonna throw on Friday, And talking
Speaker 2: to a couple people the other day at the ballpark,
Speaker 2: they don't think it's a pipe dream or anything like
Speaker 2: that that he could be back in the postseason and
Speaker 2: right now, I mean, wouldn't you roll the dice on
Speaker 2: Spencer term if they feel that he's healthy. I would
Speaker 2: probably roll the dice on Spencer Turnbull if they feel
Speaker 2: that he's healthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends how he looks Friday, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, if he looks good and if he's healthy, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's just the Taiwan thing hasn't worked. It just hasn't worked.
Speaker 3: And I think you did a great job answering uh
Speaker 3: part of that question about what do you do now
Speaker 3: postseason roster? You know, if you're going to carry him
Speaker 3: as a mop up man, he's going to come in
Speaker 3: with the team down. He's just going to try to
Speaker 3: get you to the end of the game, right, Right,
Speaker 3: I don't know that you're going to bring him into
Speaker 3: a tie game and extra innings because he's pitching. It
Speaker 3: ain't going to be tied much longer.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: And as far as the long term, I've been saying
Speaker 3: this for a while. It's just for me, it'd be
Speaker 3: tough to bring him back. I just think it's been
Speaker 3: such a difficult year. I don't think he inspires the
Speaker 3: confidence of his teammates, you know, where he is in
Speaker 3: his career. I just I have a hard time seeing
Speaker 3: it come back. It might you know, maybe he camps
Speaker 3: out in Seattle at drive Line in the offseason and
Speaker 3: get something going, you know, I don't know, Maybe you
Speaker 3: can eat seventeen million. He's owned eighteen and eighteen. Maybe
Speaker 3: he can eat seventeen and seventeen and move him to
Speaker 3: a team where he gets a fresh start. I just
Speaker 3: think bringing him in it becomes sort of a distraction
Speaker 3: because you know, every bullpen session you know, is going
Speaker 3: to be scrutinized. Every outing in the grave foot League
Speaker 3: is going to be scrutinized, and poor outing is going
Speaker 3: to raise all these old questions again, it becomes a distraction.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, you know what we're seeing right
Speaker 3: now with the Eagles. You know, they know it's kind
Speaker 3: of obvious that the team pondered a coaching change in
Speaker 3: the offseason right after their season ended. Last year, they
Speaker 3: did not make a coaching change. Well, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: now the biggest issue surrounding this team is the head
Speaker 3: coach and is he calling the plays? Is he not
Speaker 3: calling the plays? Is he in charge? Is he not
Speaker 3: in charge? It never goes away. So and given what
Speaker 3: you've gotten from Taiwan Walker, I just I think and
Speaker 3: where you might be going and what you might be
Speaker 3: getting from in the future, knowing the way these things go,
Speaker 3: and kind of projecting what you think you might get
Speaker 3: from him in terms of on the mound contributions, it's
Speaker 3: hard for me to see them getting a positive contribution.
Speaker 3: I think they have to strongly consider eating the contract
Speaker 3: and letting them go. And you know, he's been a
Speaker 3: good guy and a good teammate. But I just think
Speaker 3: it's a tough game, and sometimes you're gonna make tough
Speaker 3: to see and I'm not even sure this decision is
Speaker 3: that tough but you know, we'll say and.
Speaker 2: Then now there's it hasn't happened a lot, but now
Speaker 2: there is some precedent of some teams eating big contracts
Speaker 2: like that. I mean it would be up there for sure.
Speaker 2: Pablo Sandoval, Madison Bumgardner, there's a couple other guys whose
Speaker 2: contracts were massive, and that team's just dfad him and said,
Speaker 2: you know what, we're not going to get anything out
Speaker 2: of this. And I feel like if we just talked
Speaker 2: about John Middleton, if there's an owner out there who's
Speaker 2: going to go this offseason, and like if Dave Dombrowski says,
Speaker 2: I think we can sign this guy and this guy
Speaker 2: for starting pitching depth, maybe until Andrew Painter is ready
Speaker 2: or whatever. But we got to get rid of Taiwan
Speaker 2: to do it, to get these guys to sign, you know,
Speaker 2: because they don't want to look at competition, whatever the
Speaker 2: case may be. I think I think Johnny goes all right.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna love it, but I think
Speaker 2: he but he wants to win.
Speaker 3: So really, if you're not getting a contribution.
Speaker 2: That's right. So I think it's like, okay, sunk cost.
Speaker 5: And I just.
Speaker 3: Don't think he inspires any confidence with the people who
Speaker 3: play behind him. In that case, it might be auditioned
Speaker 3: by subtraction. But you know, there are so many issues
Speaker 3: that go with this. The inability to develop any organizational
Speaker 3: pitching depth is crazy. You need to figure that out
Speaker 3: and bring in some more. But I know what I
Speaker 3: would do. I would shake his hand and say goodbye.
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure it's the right answer, but that
Speaker 3: would be the way I would go.
Speaker 2: T Montgomery on Instagram, Cal Stevenson or Weston Wilson for
Speaker 2: the last bench spot on the playoff roster. And then yeah,
Speaker 2: I think his name is Cod Broad on Instagram. Who
Speaker 2: will make the postseason player cut for the postseason roster?
Speaker 2: It's kind of the same question. Do you have any
Speaker 2: thoughts on what that last bench spot would be? You know,
Speaker 2: they optioned they optioned Cal the other day when they
Speaker 2: activated Austin Hay, But that does not mean Cal cannot
Speaker 2: make the postseason roster. You have to you get position
Speaker 2: players ten days after being optioned when they're eligible to
Speaker 2: come back, so Cal can come back and make this
Speaker 2: postseason roster.
Speaker 3: So and you have Cody Clemens we think is gonna
Speaker 3: make it.
Speaker 2: I would think Cody right because they they seem to love.
Speaker 2: Is that bats He can play infield and outfield, so he's.
Speaker 3: A left handed bat. Maybe you carry West and Wilson.
Speaker 3: Maybe it comes down to the last day when you
Speaker 3: know who your opponent is and you bear down on
Speaker 3: the splits and all that stuff. Maybe it's a matchup
Speaker 3: type decision based on the opponent.
Speaker 2: That's what I tend to think it's going to be,
Speaker 2: you know, because because if Austin Hayes is back, is
Speaker 2: West and Wilson going to play much in left field?
Speaker 2: Probably not, because Austin Hayes's splits are so ridiculous righty
Speaker 2: as versus lefties. So I don't know that Austin sees
Speaker 2: any time in left field in the postseason and in
Speaker 2: a platoon split. But yeah, if there's a lot of
Speaker 2: lefties in the bullpen, maybe that maybe that Yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: that maybe it's West. So yeah, I tend to think
Speaker 2: it might come down to come down to matchups v.
Speaker 2: Twins two thousand and eight on X Do you think
Speaker 2: the Phillies will get the number one seed in the postseason?
Speaker 2: The Dodgers behind right now, Yeah, they're a half game.
Speaker 2: They own the tie breaker. Which is important. So the Phillies,
Speaker 2: of course have three this weekend against the Nationals Dodgers
Speaker 2: have they play when we're recording this. They have one
Speaker 2: more against the Padres and then three on the road
Speaker 2: against the Rockies. So they got all they gotta do
Speaker 2: is tie.
Speaker 3: All they gotta do is tie. I think they have
Speaker 3: a very good chance.
Speaker 5: Yeah I do.
Speaker 3: I think they have a very good chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah they got Yeah, I do, because they have They
Speaker 2: got Wheeler and Nola going this weekend, So even if
Speaker 2: they dial them back, they're going to be in a
Speaker 2: position to win the game. Even if they do rest
Speaker 2: a regular or two, they still have enough pop in
Speaker 2: that lineup to be at a Nationals team. Is yeah, thinking,
Speaker 2: thinking is already clearing out their lockers as we speak.
Speaker 3: I mean favorable, you know, favorable schedule for the Phillies.
Speaker 3: And we all know what. We all know what the
Speaker 3: last weekend of a season looks like in a big
Speaker 3: league clubhouse when you're not making the playoffs. There are
Speaker 3: those cardboard U Haul boxes everywhere. Somebody goes to the
Speaker 3: U Haul store and they buy packing tape and those
Speaker 3: cardboard boxes and they're folded up and the guys open
Speaker 3: them up and tape them up. And that's what the
Speaker 3: National's clubhouse looks like right now. People throwing stuff in
Speaker 3: the U haul boxes and taking it to the packing ship.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And and all those players are going
Speaker 2: to the clubby's going hey, can I get another box?
Speaker 2: Or can you send this here? Can you send that?
Speaker 2: That's that's the entire conversation those that last weekend for
Speaker 2: the Nationals players.
Speaker 3: But you're still gonna go out and play, you got
Speaker 3: to say. And I think if you get early leads
Speaker 3: and stop them early, you really demoralize them. And you
Speaker 3: have them, you know, looking on their travel app on
Speaker 3: their phone to see when their flight.
Speaker 2: Is exactly right. And I think the Phillies also, you know,
Speaker 2: they certainly they have enough pride they're going to want
Speaker 2: to go out there and play well. And I think
Speaker 2: if they can get that number one seed, that's that's
Speaker 2: something that they're going to want to do. So I
Speaker 2: don't think the Phillies are going to go into this
Speaker 2: weekend coasting. I think they they know they have the
Speaker 2: bye week coming up. They want to go in playing well,
Speaker 2: They want to get there at bats, they want to
Speaker 2: stay sharp. So I don't think there's going to be
Speaker 2: any like, you know, we got the buye, we have
Speaker 2: the first round by let's just let's just let's just roll,
Speaker 2: let's just roll over.
Speaker 3: So funny. I got that same question yesterday from a
Speaker 3: buddy of ours. Rich Hopkins asked me, Oh yeah, he
Speaker 3: texted me.
Speaker 2: I was at the gym and he wanted to know.
Speaker 3: He wanted to know, and I think they have a
Speaker 3: pretty decent shot.
Speaker 2: Jim will be right back.
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Speaker 2: And we are back, Jim, We get this every week.
Speaker 2: But people want to know who do you think would
Speaker 2: be the best potential matchup for the Phillies in the postseason?
Speaker 2: And who would be the worst potential matchup? Do you
Speaker 2: want me to go over their season records head to
Speaker 2: head on these and potential nl while NLDS opponents.
Speaker 3: Uh, I think so. They they've they're game under five
Speaker 3: hundred against the.
Speaker 2: Braves, right correct.
Speaker 3: They have a winning record against the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, But they can't they're not going to play
Speaker 2: then the Dodgers though, until the until the NLCS. They're
Speaker 2: they're five and one against the pod Race, three and
Speaker 2: four against the Diamondbacks, seven and six against the Mets.
Speaker 3: You know what, you know what? I might just I
Speaker 3: like the Diamondbacks team. They can run, they got a
Speaker 3: little pop, they got some good pitching, starting pitching. But
Speaker 3: I might just all season long, it seems like and
Speaker 3: they scare me a little bit.
Speaker 2: But sure, any any.
Speaker 3: Team scares me if that team plays well and you
Speaker 3: don't play well. But why not, you know, open the
Speaker 3: mouth of the beast right out of the gate and
Speaker 3: stick head in and say, you know, we're not scared yet,
Speaker 3: why not bring them on?
Speaker 2: Bring them on, bringing that, you know what? I feel
Speaker 2: the same way. I feel like it's not like the
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks are a better team than the Phillies, or we're
Speaker 2: a better team than the Phillies. Last year, the Phillies
Speaker 2: just had a terrible five games and they swang out
Speaker 2: of their shoes. They got out of their game plan,
Speaker 2: they chased way too many pitches. Yeah right, well right,
Speaker 2: but I mean they were up to nothing and then
Speaker 2: they just you know, those final five were terrible. But yeah,
Speaker 2: those two games at home. I don't think there's a
Speaker 2: team if the Phillies don't win the World Series this year,
Speaker 2: or I should say, if they don't get to the
Speaker 2: World Series, if they would get knocked out in the NLDS.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's because they played a team that
Speaker 2: they don't match up great against. I think it's because
Speaker 2: they just played bad. That's my opinion. I think it's
Speaker 2: because they chased too many pitches. It's gonna be because
Speaker 2: one of their starters had a bad game or one
Speaker 2: of their bullpen pieces who has been They've all been
Speaker 2: really really good lately, they had a bad game or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna because, Man, this is a
Speaker 2: team that they just can't beat. You know, they just
Speaker 2: don't match up well. When the Phillies are playing their best,
Speaker 2: they still can't beat the Diamondbacks or the Mets, or
Speaker 2: the Braves or the Podres. I think if they're playing
Speaker 2: their best or playing well, they can beat anybody in
Speaker 2: the nationally.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Crazy, I'm more worried about you know, if I was
Speaker 3: the Phillies skipper, I'd be more worried about my own
Speaker 3: own club house than the other clubhouse.
Speaker 2: Right right West and Wilson fan on Instagram. Will the
Speaker 2: Phillies re sign Jeff Hoffman this offseason? That's honestly something
Speaker 2: I haven't really given a lot of thought to at
Speaker 2: this point. But he's a free agent after the season.
Speaker 2: Relief pictures are very volatile. He's going to cost a
Speaker 2: lot of money. They have Carlos Estevez is also a
Speaker 2: free agent. I don't know if you could resign both
Speaker 2: of those guys. I don't know if it makes sense
Speaker 2: to resign both of those guys. I think you would
Speaker 2: love to have both of those guys.
Speaker 3: It reminds me a little bit of back in, you know,
Speaker 3: the seven to twenty eleven outstanding period they had Number J.
Speaker 3: C Romero. He was actually, I think a release from
Speaker 3: Boston and Reuben signed him, brought him in and he
Speaker 3: had that great run, and then he became a free
Speaker 3: agent and then we signed him to a three year deal.
Speaker 3: I know the market was a lot different then. But
Speaker 3: do I think they'll resign Jeff Hoffman. I think they're
Speaker 3: gonna try. He's really a valuable piece. I think they're
Speaker 3: gonna try. He's found success here. I would think there'll
Speaker 3: be mutual interest, but he also has to look out
Speaker 3: for himself and make the best deal possible. But I
Speaker 3: think he's a pretty important guy down there, So I
Speaker 3: think this is a very good chance.
Speaker 2: If I wonder if it's like tigos of the runner.
Speaker 2: If you can sign only one of them, say, for instance,
Speaker 2: Estevez or Hoffman, I wonder how that comes into play.
Speaker 2: He just does the front office go, well, we gave
Speaker 2: up a lot to get Estevez, we'd like to keep
Speaker 2: him to show a little bit more something for the trade.
Speaker 2: Or does that not come into play? I guess it's
Speaker 2: just the best baseball decision. Probably.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I have a feeling they might skew a little
Speaker 3: bit more toward Hoffman, a little more history there with him.
Speaker 3: I mean, you gave up two good arms.
Speaker 2: But you know, if you knew that going in, you knew.
Speaker 3: It going in, And if you pick up a World
Speaker 3: Series championship here and keep packing that house, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be worth.
Speaker 2: And PERRENDOZI on X out of all the NL East clinchers,
Speaker 2: which one is your guy's favorite? Reason why?
Speaker 3: NL East Clinchers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and l least Phillies NL East clinchers. I wasn't
Speaker 2: around for anything before seven, So I guess it's seven
Speaker 2: to eleven. And then this year I started covering, Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: ninety four, ninety four, Okay, so the year after, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're I guess for me it's seven because that broke
Speaker 2: the streak, and there were I mean, I remember fans
Speaker 2: were you talk about the Mets fans going nuts, same
Speaker 2: type of vibe that year in seven, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, finally fourteen years and so the excitement
Speaker 2: that day, you know, Jason Worth has talked about that
Speaker 2: a lot over the years, you know, walking on in
Speaker 2: the field a half an hour before the game and
Speaker 2: just fans going fricking nuts because they were watching the
Speaker 2: game on the scoreboard, the score change on the scoreboard
Speaker 2: and right field back when they had the scores on there,
Speaker 2: and just the roar of the crowd throughout that game
Speaker 2: was was so much fun and the team just had
Speaker 2: a blast celebrating that one. Yeah, that was cool. And
Speaker 2: then the only one, the other one for me would
Speaker 2: be well twenty ten with Halliday getting in and those
Speaker 2: guys remember that they waited. Roy was doing an interview
Speaker 2: on the field with Gary Matthews and they're all sitting
Speaker 2: there with the champagne bottles, and it was Brian Schneider
Speaker 2: and was it Mike Sweeney yep, Okay, two other guys
Speaker 2: that had never been in the postseason, and they waited
Speaker 2: for Roy to come in because they wanted them to
Speaker 2: be the first guy to pop those champagne bottles. I
Speaker 2: thought that was cool. That was down at Nationals Park.
Speaker 3: That was really cool. I remember that like it was yesterday.
Speaker 3: That tells you how much respect they had for Doc
Speaker 3: Yeah and O seven Yeah. I mean you're right on
Speaker 3: that whole lead up to the seven clinch because they
Speaker 3: hadn't been to the playoffs in fourteen years and they
Speaker 3: make this run and it was like every night you
Speaker 3: can't wait to get to the ballpark to see what's
Speaker 3: going to happen as they're chasing down the Mets. It
Speaker 3: was such a drama, and then you know, when they
Speaker 3: finally did it. I remember that day. It was the
Speaker 3: ballpark was packed and the white towels and uh you know,
Speaker 3: I remember my kids begging me to go to the
Speaker 3: game they were little, and uh yeah. It was just
Speaker 3: very very memorable. O seven and the Doc one was
Speaker 3: was very memorable. I remember the night day clinched in eleven.
Speaker 3: I remember you and I talking to Cliff Lee's wife
Speaker 3: on the field.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right about coming back and yeah, that's right,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 3: And I remember I remember you you talking about how
Speaker 3: his mannerisms. You're asking her about his mannerisms and how
Speaker 3: he's just like shrugging whatever, and he goes with him
Speaker 3: saying whatever all the time.
Speaker 2: That's right. I do remember saying that, yeah, because every
Speaker 2: time we asked him something, right, he was just chill whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, all nine World Series in game one whatever.
Speaker 2: This is from Evan. Two more and then we'll get
Speaker 2: rolling here. Evan j Nie on X. Do you see
Speaker 2: this period of Phillies baseball is finally making the transition
Speaker 2: to being perennial contenders like the Yankees, Dodgers or Braves.
Speaker 2: Given the changes we've seen in player development the front office,
Speaker 2: it feels like they are making all the right moves.
Speaker 3: Well, that's certainly what they want, and that's certainly what
Speaker 3: the owner wants. He wants them to be there every year.
Speaker 3: They have their financial resources to do it, to go
Speaker 3: out and get you know, that complimentary free agent or
Speaker 3: even that free agent to put you over the top.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at their roster right now, dotted with
Speaker 3: high priced free agents. But you know, I still think
Speaker 3: it's vital that you have the organizational infrastructure to bring
Speaker 3: your own players, because I don't think you can survive
Speaker 3: always by free agency, and I do think they've made
Speaker 3: great strides there and building the infrastructure of the franchise.
Speaker 3: And you know, they have some good looking players. Justin
Speaker 3: Crawford was in town on Wednesday night. Obviously, this Aiden
Speaker 3: Miller kid, Andrew Painter. So you know, it just it
Speaker 3: takes all aspects. You need to build your own guys
Speaker 3: and you need to be able to have the wherewithal
Speaker 3: to go out and add the key free agents. So
Speaker 3: do I think they can sustain yet? And I think
Speaker 3: you know, they're a big market. You know, that has
Speaker 3: to be almost not just the goal, it has to
Speaker 3: be the expectation, right, Look at the support they get
Speaker 3: in the stands every night. So if you keep putting
Speaker 3: winners on, you're going to get to get that support,
Speaker 3: and it's going to be able to kind of sustain
Speaker 3: and self sustain by the support you get from this market.
Speaker 3: So it's a great, great market, and it proves proves
Speaker 3: it to us, you know, whenever they win this year
Speaker 3: just another example, so I think, yeah, it should be
Speaker 3: the norm rather than the exception.
Speaker 2: Stretches like this Bryce. Bryce said on Monday night, he said,
Speaker 2: you know, people talk about windows he's like, there is
Speaker 2: no window here with with John in charge basically, you know,
Speaker 2: and Dave in charge, that they're going to try to
Speaker 2: you know, ring and I get what he's saying, you know,
Speaker 2: there is a window now.
Speaker 3: And then he also said at the end.
Speaker 2: He's like, this is our window right now, because he
Speaker 2: knows that there's only so many prime years left of
Speaker 2: Bryce Harper. Sure he hopes to be one of the
Speaker 2: guys in his late thirties early forties still hitting thirty
Speaker 2: bombs this season, and you know, I'm sure they hope
Speaker 2: that Tray Turner is still hitting three hundred whatever position
Speaker 2: he's playing in nine years from now.
Speaker 3: I do agree with the commitment you have from ownership
Speaker 3: in the in the infrastructure you've built in yea, all
Speaker 3: phases of the operation player development wise, you should be
Speaker 3: able to sustain that window and and you should be
Speaker 3: able to keep creating new windows. But that said, I
Speaker 3: think the window is now for this nucleus totally, the
Speaker 3: Schwarber Harper, Real, Mudo, Wheeler, Nola Turner, Castianos nucleus. I
Speaker 3: think it's right now absolutely, And you know, when the
Speaker 3: window closes on this nucleus, Miller Painter Crawford, maybe a
Speaker 3: different free agent, maybe a veteran bomb, a veteran Stot.
Speaker 3: They will still be here, but it becomes, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of a different window, if you.
Speaker 2: Will right last one. This is from Phil's Info ten
Speaker 2: on X. Does the Red October crowd have a similar
Speaker 2: impact on visiting beat writers as it does on visiting players.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not screaming at Mark Bowman, Nara, my
Speaker 2: my colleague from MLB dot com or Braves writer. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not intimidating him like like Phillies fans. I will
Speaker 2: say this though, it is is kind of cool to
Speaker 2: see visiting broadcasters and visiting writers come in and say,
Speaker 2: there's that was insane. That was insane. I've never seen
Speaker 2: a postseason crowd like that. I've never seen a postseason
Speaker 2: crowd like that. And I think, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I said this on this show recently or if I
Speaker 2: was talking to somebody about it. I think the big
Speaker 2: difference between Citizens Bank Park and the other twenty nine
Speaker 2: ballparks in the postseason is that every ballpark will get loud.
Speaker 2: You know, Petco Park will get loud. If the Phillies
Speaker 2: and Pottery's are playing, Dodger Stadium will get insanely loud.
Speaker 2: It will get as loud as Citizens Bank Park in
Speaker 2: the postseason if shoe Ohtani hits a three run bomb
Speaker 2: in the ninth inning to beat the Phillies nlc ASK game.
Speaker 2: But I think the big difference is that the crowd
Speaker 2: in Philly will get loud, will stay loud throughout. They
Speaker 2: will recognize a seven pitch at bat, We're going into
Speaker 2: a twelve pitch at bat. They will get louder and
Speaker 2: louder and louder. They will sense a rally brewing, and
Speaker 2: they will get on their feet and cheer for that.
Speaker 2: Where That's the thing I think the big difference is
Speaker 2: they can sense when a team is in trouble, the
Speaker 2: opposing team is in trouble, and they will get really
Speaker 2: loud to try to intimidate the pitcher. I don't see
Speaker 2: that at other parks. So that's it is cool to
Speaker 2: see that. It's not just me thinking that way, that
Speaker 2: it's like the other opposing writers and posing broadcasters like
Speaker 2: man like John Smoltz was in New York theater days,
Speaker 2: you know, I think he said it in an our
Speaker 2: show too. I've never seen a ballpark like that in
Speaker 2: the postseason before, and.
Speaker 3: It's happened for a long time, going back to the
Speaker 3: NLCS in the seventies. When the Veterans stadium fans rattle
Speaker 3: for Houghton, they can really rattle an opposing team. But
Speaker 3: you know, it's like chicken in the egg. I think
Speaker 3: it needs to be performance in from the home team
Speaker 3: Phillies as well, because that's what they really latch onto
Speaker 3: and build their kind of the kind of he comes
Speaker 3: like a wild far when the team is playing well,
Speaker 3: he gets louder and louder and louder. But uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I you know, I hear comments from guys who come
Speaker 3: into that stadium and say, well, this place is a madhouse.
Speaker 3: But you're right. I've seen Dodgers Stadium in madhouse San
Speaker 3: Diego in twenty twenty two. It was a madhouse city field.
Speaker 3: I would imagine there's going to be nuts, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I covered the Yankees in the old Ballpark.
Speaker 3: I covered there in all their postseason runs ninety six
Speaker 3: through one, and you'd sit in the press box and
Speaker 3: it would shake, it would shake, like you know, you
Speaker 3: think this thing is going down, so you know it's uh,
Speaker 3: but I do think. You know that Rob Thompson quote
Speaker 3: four hours a hell. It does mean something, but the
Speaker 3: team's got to perform it. It got quiet in game
Speaker 3: six and seven last year against Arizona.
Speaker 2: Remember what Jeff Frank Cory said when he we talked
Speaker 2: to him, and I don't know when that was in June.
Speaker 2: He said he was taking the car ride over were
Speaker 2: before game six, he's doing the game for TBS, and
Speaker 2: he could he could tell everybody was nervous. The guy
Speaker 2: that his driver, He's like, I'm a little nervous about
Speaker 2: this one. And sure enough they got down and the
Speaker 2: cow got really tense and really quiet. And it was
Speaker 2: like that in Game five of the eleven nlds too.
Speaker 2: They got down one nothing you could sense everybody wash.
Speaker 3: Was so tight. And that that in eleven, okay, is
Speaker 3: that game five?
Speaker 2: That was Game five? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And when I think of the postseason a citizens Back Park,
Speaker 3: I remember we were working together at the Inquirer and uh,
Speaker 3: the Phillies. I guess it was all seven because they
Speaker 3: finally got back to the postseason and the late great
Speaker 3: Jerry Fraley walks in the press box. Do you remember this?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I do not remember this.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're gonna remember when I tell you, all right,
Speaker 3: late great Jerry Frayley, who actually worked in Philadelphia in
Speaker 3: the eighties, he comes into the press box, he's working
Speaker 3: in Dallas. He comes into the press box at Citizens
Speaker 3: Bank Park and says, what happened to the vat? Where's
Speaker 3: the vat?
Speaker 2: It's been such a long time?
Speaker 3: And I said to you, because you were writing like
Speaker 3: the main bigg there's your lead right there. How long
Speaker 3: has it been since the Philly has been in the postseason?
Speaker 3: And then quote this visiting writer, what happened to the vet?
Speaker 3: Remember that? Now?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I remember that?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Jerry was an all timery Hall of Famer all
Speaker 2: went when in. All right, guys, we will be back
Speaker 2: next week. It'll be the bye week. We'll have a
Speaker 2: lot of talk about. We can really dig into the
Speaker 2: rastas and how they're gonna line up the pitching and
Speaker 2: how are they gonna stay sharp so they don't have to,
Speaker 2: you know, deal with those questions about the bye affecting him.
Speaker 2: And we'll get in all that stuff next week. So Jim,
Speaker 2: I will smell you later.
Speaker 3: Alrighty, smell you later, buddy.
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