WEBVTT - Birthday Boy Bank-robber 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:05.199 Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hey Dave, Um, 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:09.440 did you see the note from Zaren? Uh? No, it was. 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.360 It was nailed to the front desk here at Ridiculous 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.320 Crime h Q when I came in today and it says, 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.480 quote and I quote, Hey, rude, dudes, I had to 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:21.760 blow town for a minute. Need to take some care 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:23.960 of some stuff. How do I, guys put this? It's 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.680 for a quote investigation? Alright, bet, do not call the 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.200 Flying Squad. I'm renting a car with Kelly Slater and 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.920 Marshawn Lynch and we're going and then the rest of 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.360 the papers torn off. So that's it. I don't even 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:41.680 know what that means. So that's ridiculous. Um, right, do 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.360 you have a ridiculous crime that you want to tell 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.760 me about? I mean, we're here, you know I always 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.840 travel with uh with a whole list of ridiculous crimes. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.240 But um, hang on, it's on this piece of paper 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:55.840 that I was using to play mash. So let me 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:01.480 just unfolded here, perfect let's see. No, not that one. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.959 Definitely not that one. Okay, here we go. How about 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.120 the story of a college kid turned bank robber who 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.800 was inspired to commit his crime by a Steve McQueen 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:18.240 movie and gets away with it for fifty years, only 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.160 to confess on his deathbed. WHOA, yes, give it to me. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.440 This is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:52.480 capers and cons. It's always murder free and one hondo 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:59.760 p ridiculous. I'm ze Oh wait no, I'm Dave Kustin, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.680 and with me in this imaginary blanket for it is 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.840 Elizabeth Dutton, along with our interns. Hey interns, hey interns. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.600 We do not know where Zarin is. Uh So I'm 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.680 just gonna take this and I'll try not to let 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.000 you down. I have faith in you. Thank you, Elizabeth. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.720 I want to tell you about a nineteen year old 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.320 community college student in the late nineteen sixties, his name 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:28.560 Theodore Conrad Teddy. Teddy walks out of a bank in 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.240 Ohio on July eleven, nine sixty nine, in broad daylight 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:36.639 with over two hundred thousand dollars of the bank's cash. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.720 So that's the equivalent of one point seven million dollars today. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:42.880 Oh my god. Wait, just walks out of a bank. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.560 He walks out, He's got it in a brown paper bag. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.800 Uh And that's kind of all he's got on him, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.919 and it's not that he slipped out without anyone seeing him. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.640 He actually waves as the security guard. Security guard waves back. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.000 They share a smile on his way out. Wow, okay, 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:05.720 so he's nineteen. He's nineteen. He just pulls off the caper. Okay, 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.120 so he's got his his bag of cash. He goes 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.440 back to his apartment. He waves to his landlady. He 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.000 calls his girlfriend and apparently tells her he's going to 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:17.720 Pennsylvania to attend a concert. Well, he's got the cash 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.320 for it, I guess, Yeah, he's Uh, he's ready to go. 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.360 So he hops in a taxi from there, heads to 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.280 the airport and like disappears for the rest of his 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.760 long life. Kid, Yeah, that's it, um, And almost immediately 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.280 everyone knows who did it too. In fact, he gets 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.240 indicted by a grand jury just two months after the robbery, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.600 but by then it's too late. They have no idea 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.400 where he is, and he's in the wind. Really did 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.200 they ever? They find him? They find him because, as 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.400 I said in the intro, he he confessed at the 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.040 very end. Oh my god. But it's not until after 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.080 he's dead that they actually track him down. Uh, and 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.120 it's really like a complete disappearance. He never talked to 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.560 his friends and family again. Um, he lives to seventy 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:07.600 two or seventy three something like that. Wow, we've talked 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:12.080 before about guys who can't seem to like hide out. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.960 This guy is the antithesis he had. He hit out. Yeah, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.120 I mean he got it done. Like as far as 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.680 I can tell, he basically fulfills Zaren's three elements of 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:26.120 the crime. Right, He's gonna be so bummed's I know 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.839 this is kind of made for him. Right. So, as 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.520 I mentioned, the only reason we know about what happened 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.359 to Teddy is because he confesses. He confesses to his 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:40.400 wife on his deathbed. Um, but it's not for lack 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:45.080 of trying. There's this marshal who dedicates his entire life 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.320 to sniffing Teddy out. Marshall's name was John Elliott. And 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.800 when he's done and ready to retire from the Marshals, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.920 his son, Peter Elliott, also a marshal, picks up the thread. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.800 It's like a total family blood feud. Yeah yeah. And 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.040 of John's son Peter, And one the articles about Teddy's 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.119 death is quoted and I quote, We'd be at dinner 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.680 and he would say, past the mashed potatoes, and what 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.800 do you think ted Conrad is? His whole life is 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.479 like this, like his dad is just absolutely like filling 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.640 out the crossword puzzle sitting there and like every word 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:22.080 is Theodore Theodore, Theodore Theodore. Oh my god. And to 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.600 make the story even weirder, the Marshal John Elliott even 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:30.760 knows Teddy Conrad by sight, Like didn't witness this the crime, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:35.240 but it was just small town connection. So like his name, 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.880 he knows his what he looks like, he knows his name, 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.039 he knows what he looks like. How did he rob 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.599 the bank? Are you going to tell me that? Later? 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.960 I will tell you. Yeah, we'll get but yeah, so uh, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:51.440 Elliott and Teddy share the same doctor. The Marshal used 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.479 to go to the same ice cream parlor where Teddy 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.880 works before his bank job, So like we really knew 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.600 each other, knew each other. Yeah, a lot, a lot 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.280 of cross paths. He died in one, and by now 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.200 it is known how he did it, which is even 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.799 more ridiculous than you know so far, Um, the marshals 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.920 know why he did it, which is I think even 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.479 more ridiculous than that. And we also know where he 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.279 ended up for the bulk of his life after the 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.120 Big Highest. But even knowing all that, there's still a 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.640 ton of unanswered questions that I couldn't find any answers to. 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.640 Oh my god, I'm so excited for this. So let 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.400 me set the stage a little bit before I tell 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.000 you about our nineteen year old criminal mastermind and what 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.400 his crime looked like. We're now, Remember we're in July 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.080 of nineteen sixty nine, and I would say the country 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.520 had a lot on its mind, right, Like we've talked 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.680 about the Summer of Love several times on this show 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.159 and traced various crimes and events, um. But until I 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.600 dug in for the research on this, it didn't really 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.280 all connect up in my mind that this is all 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.800 happening all at the same time, like in the same 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.640 three months span, basically, right, Can you name just a 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.120 couple of things that we're going on in nine? Summer 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.800 of sixty summer? Yeah, in the six when the first 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:07.880 beautifully saying about the original sixty I bought it at 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.119 the five and dime? Uh wood stock right with stock 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:21.000 happened that summer? Um moon landing? Yes, right, and then 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.560 the reason then when I say moon Landing, it makes 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:28.080 me think of Summer of Soul, that Quest Love documentary. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.239 So those concerts were going on totally. That's June through August. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:37.880 Right in the middle, you also have the Beatles Get 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:44.240 Back makes Number one, Okay, Stonewall Riots, so yeah, yeah, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.960 yeah right, Give Piece a Chance also came out, and 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:49.960 John and Yoko end up in the hospital after a 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.600 bad car wreck. July eight, U. S. Troops are withdrawing 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.640 from Vietnam. Oh yeah. And then also in music, You've 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.040 got the Rolling Stones released honky Tonk Woman, Dave the 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.960 Bowie releases Space on it E July eleven, the same weekend, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.240 you're kidding, Oh my god. Yeah. So then like July 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.160 thirt Russia launches there on Man Rocket to the Moon. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.720 It's just like goes on and on going on. The 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.960 first death of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. Um, oh, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.200 you're kidding. Was that summer? Yeah, it was was July. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.600 U you moved to the July. Muhammad Ali is convicted 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.000 of avoiding the draft, which you know later his conviction 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:32.000 movie Overturned. Right July next dang day, Teddy Kennedy pleads 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.400 guilty to leaving the scene at chap a quickic that 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.880 killed Barry Joe Popette. Wait, this is like, this is 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.560 so tumultuous. Isn't this amazing? I'm understanding like that, Oh 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.760 my god. Um. Then you have Hurricane Camille, which is 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.520 a Category five hurricane that kills more than two and 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:52.040 fifty people in Mississippi and Louisiana. We can't Here's This 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:53.880 is something that I think about a lot, is that 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.000 everyone always feels like they're in the end times exactly. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.439 You know, if there's the Yates poems second coming, that 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.960 basic you know, helps us understand that that we always 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.360 feel like we're in the spin out part of things. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.600 But people have been feeling that for a very long time. Yeah, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.719 I mean I know I felt that at times in 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.120 sixteen and times and was like, oh, this is just 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.440 especially with Twitter, you just see like more and more 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.719 and more things happening. Oh yeah, And and I mean 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.920 I would think that with with the power of all 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.840 these things and we only I only got through a 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.200 small fraction of all the stuff around the world that's 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.400 going on, that you would read it in the paper. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.040 I mean like that some things would get like a 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.680 little postage stamp, but still you would have that view 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.840 of all these things. Yeah, we've talked about people who 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.560 have robbed banks before. I would say more than a 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.920 few of them. Quite a few. We've got are no Funke, 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:48.480 We've got redond fied hatt and garden folks Attila. Do 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.800 you have a a? Do you have a third favorite bank? Crop? 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.800 Right that we've covered? Who is my third favorite? I 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.720 don't know? Uh? Did he robbed banks? Like I said? 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.840 He wrote he robbed the trains only minor? Yeah, robbed 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.720 banks because it was like, you know, bank property. I 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.640 like it, and he had the whole like he invented 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.040 stick them up right, Oh yeah, totally. So put your 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:12.959 hands in the air, I wave them just like you 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.920 don't care. Man. But they didn't know what that looked 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.720 like back then. They're like, well what he did? What if? 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.920 They were like hey he And then it was lost 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.920 to history and then it was part of spiritus moondy 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.760 and then we all collectively came back around to it 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.319 without knowing are you going rebel yell? I mean like 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.360 it's in all these books, like yeah, they waived them 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.040 like they just don't care and trying to reconstruct. That's 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.040 what happened. You gotta admit it is a wily crew, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:48.079 and a pretty diverse crew of of that we've covered. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.880 I don't know if there's like I don't think there's 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.800 a stable and consistent profile across all of them. So 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:55.760 like they've been bank robbers in every era. But I'm 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.600 not sure if you send an invitation and got them 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.760 all together for an annual meeting, like what that would 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.760 look like if they would get along, like a reunion, yeah, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.640 or like they've got business to do every year, like 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.720 they got to vote on the Proxy s convention, like 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.480 a bank robbers convention. I'll go to that. I would 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.640 say that a lot of days in a minimum security 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:21.199 prisoner bank robbers fair, very fair. So when we look 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:26.720 at Teddy his mom, famous concert violinist who had grown 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:31.640 up in Deadwood, Deadwood, Deadwood, Yeah, yeah, which kind of 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.880 like tells you how close together things are in history 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.079 that we think are very far apart. Right, But I mean, 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.960 obviously I hold on, so this isn't the sixties, so yeah, 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:45.800 she's not like she's not like Calamity Jane. Don't know 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.079 it was still around, but it wasn't. Yeah, because they 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.640 got married in like the forties. Maybe what a place 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.600 to be born and grow up. Yeah right, pretty cool. Um, 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.680 and his dad is a decorated naval officer. Okay, so 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:05.240 it just like a straightforward all American Yeah, yeah, like 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.240 major dad, like Gerald McCraney. I'm thinking his dad was 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:13.640 Gerald McCraney. Yeah. And it's you know, it's hard to 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.440 know through newspapers what people's private lives were like back then, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.280 so who knows if he was a happy kid or not. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.200 But in later interviews, his friends say, you know, he 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.680 was quiet, he was articulate. Everyone says he was nice. Yeah. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.120 It sounds like yeah, but something must have happened in 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.360 the transition to college, because the one thing we do 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.360 know is after less than a year at this place 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.439 called New England College, which was a small school that 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.160 had started like not too long before, and he was 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.840 elected class president in his first semester. M hum. He 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:44.839 was there for for just less than a year, and 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:50.000 then he transfers to Cuyahoga Community College back home in Ohio. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.440 So hard to get's hard to go off to school? 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.760 I guess, yeah, I mean, or maybe it was. Here's 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.719 another fact that maybe this is why his dad was 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.559 a professor at New England College. Okay, I can maybe 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.320 understand a little bit more why he bailed out. Do 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.559 you think like it was just like dad like, well, 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.800 it's like a small college. I've never I'm not familiar 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:18.439 with it. Um. It sounds kind of generic New England College, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:24.199 like Hudson University on the Law and Order franchise. Um. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.360 But yeah, you go across from you know, where was 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.480 the Ohio? You said? Yeah, so then he goes to 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.520 generic New England his dad. Yeah, i'd get out of 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.040 it too, dude. So well, here's what I want to do. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.560 I'm giving you the pen. Yeah, I want you to 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:43.760 tell me why he chose to transfer. Oh okay, So 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.840 he signs up for a class and finds out it's 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.840 his dad's class. Now, how about this, he doesn't know 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:57.480 his dad as a professor. Now, okay, let's say he knows. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.520 He goes in his dad's class and his dad is 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.719 just like, you know, just harping on him and in 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.520 embarrassing him. So he's like I'm out here, or his 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.680 dad's trying to help him really hard, and he transferred 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.320 to a community college because he was failing. That's probably 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.320 more likely thing there. But yeah, either way, he got 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.240 out of town. Something happened. Yeah, So he gets back 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.520 to Ohio. He hooks up with a steady girlfriend, Kathleen Einhouse, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.120 and he gets a job as a teller at Society 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:32.040 National Bank. M M curious. Yeah, and right now it's 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.960 early okay. I was going to ask you when that was. Okay, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.400 So he goes back. He's working, he's going to the 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.880 community college, working as a teller. Okay. And there's one 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.680 thing that we know catches his eye in this time period, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:49.160 which is the Steve McQueen movie, The Thomas Crown Affair. Uhha, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.800 have you ever seen it? I have? I have great movie, awesome, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.960 really beautiful movie too. According to an interview with his 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.120 friend at the time, this guy Russell Metcalf who will 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.920 visit with later you, um, he must have watched Teddy. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.000 Must have watched that movie at least six times. Well, 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.000 and in those days, that means he went to the 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.160 theater six times. It wasn't like, oh I always had 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.080 it on at the house type thing. Yeah. Well, I 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.280 like to thank he got there for like the mattinee 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.120 and he's like, ah, this was amazing. Walks out, walks 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.160 back in, he just sits there. Now, he doesn't walk out. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.200 He hides under the seat, like on the sticky floor. 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.400 So that's at least three viewings. And then he goes 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.640 home and he's like, uh, you know that was good. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.080 You know what would really hit the spot right now, 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:38.640 Thomas Crown Affair one please be so he you know, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.760 just zones out in this movie. He comes back and 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.240 he starts to brag to his friends that he could 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.800 pull off something like the elaborate bank robbery in the movie. 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.160 You know, it's not really that hard at all. So 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.120 the next thing he does is he wants to show off, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.200 to show his friends that he's like, you know, big 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.920 and bad and Steve a queenish. So he shoplifts a 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:02.320 deck of cards. Nothing's says, I'm cool like Steve McQueen, 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.800 like shoplifting all those movies Steve McQueen is in or 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.560 he's like and all the shoplifting he did in those movies. 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:15.520 The best Steve McQueen movie was called The Five Finger Discount. Um. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.720 So yeah, like, I guess that's the kind of thing 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.520 that impresses young well off twenty year olds. They're like, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.800 he had no fear, like, oh yeah, he had no fear. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:28.000 He did it to impress his quote unquote friends. He 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.840 seems like a nice kid, though, and it's not entirely 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.320 clear to them what he means when he keeps saying like, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.680 oh yeah, I could rob a bank. Um, I think 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:41.240 I think they should take him literally. I mean, you know, hindsight, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.360 let's take a break, maybe dream about relieving a large 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.280 financial institution of a tiny fraction of its holdings. I 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.480 always do. And when we come back, I will tell you, Elizabeth, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.240 about how and why young Teddy Conrad broke himself off 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:22.879 something good and where he went from there. I can't wait. Okay, 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.280 we're back, Hey Dave, Hey Elizabeth. Let me give you 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.600 a little bit of details on the Thomas Crown affair 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.000 so that folks listening, if they haven't seen it, will 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:33.679 get a sense of, first of all, how amazing this 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.960 movie is, but also how it relates to this crime. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.160 U and uh. And just to be clear, we're talking 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:45.080 about the original nine one, not the remake reboots starting 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.680 Pierce Brosn In which Mary may not be good. I 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.200 don't know. I've never seen that one. Yeah, I've never 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.800 seen it. I also, I don't believe we're talking about 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:56.600 another Steve McQueen movie, Twelve Years of Sleeve, nor the 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:02.000 Five Finger Discount Steve McQueen. So Thomas Crown affair. It's 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.119 about an already rich bank executive who pulls off a 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.159 really well planned bank heist on his own bank, basically 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.840 for the love of the sport. The bank exactly is 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.800 played by Steve McQueen, who comes across in the big 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.119 screen and this and other movies as pretty much the 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:19.080 coolest guy on the planet ever. Totally, totally, and there 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.119 are a couple of interesting things about the movie that 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.439 I'd like to draw folks attention to. First, there's a 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.080 famous scene where insurance investigator Vicky Anderson played by the 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:32.199 incredible Fade Dunaway, asked Tom Crown why he's planning a 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.119 second big heist to hit the same bank, you know, 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.520 the one that employs him. This is his reply, it's 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:43.480 not the money. It's not the money, it's me. It's 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.959 me and the system, the system, you know. And then 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.679 he trails off and we don't know, like what he 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.760 really means. What does his answer mean to you? I 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.480 think that you know this idea. It's me in the system. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.560 He's part of the system, but he doesn't feel part 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.840 of the system. And you know that that was my 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.640 That's how I took it that. It's just like he 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.360 knows he's a part of it, but he also wants 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.639 to stick it to that system, and he can afford to, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.320 so why not. Yeah, it's like I don't know, like 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.080 he's a board rich dude, and and maybe, you know, 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.240 maybe this is stretching. I don't know that maybe he 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.480 wants to prove that he's free from the bureaucracy that 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.159 was suddenly creeping into everyone's lives. Oh yeah, you know, 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.880 and like maybe his job had changed and now he's 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:30.880 you know, has to actually report things to the FBI 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.919 or something. Um. Because you know that that is starting 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.840 to pop up as a theme in culture, in movies 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.080 and TV and in everyday life. And there are lots 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:41.560 of movies from that period where you can see the 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.120 same desire, like the one I think of his Easy Writer. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.160 Oh yeah, that's a good that's a good example. Same year, 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.240 and it's that like I want to break free from 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:56.600 society and culture and being civilized or you know something 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.840 like that. Yeah, yeah, they just they want to get loosted. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.119 Another thing I want to draw everyone's attention to is 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.119 the morality play in this movie. So you know, if 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.480 you're like me, expected the cops to be relentless and 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:13.960 maybe crooked like some Serpico action, Yeah exactly. Um, and 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:18.879 especially you've got this like main character struggling against the system. Um. 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.160 But in this movie, the cops are totally by the book. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.000 And I don't know if you remember, like while they 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.760 do pursue Thomas Crown, it kind of feels like they 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.439 don't expect they're going to close the case. They're just 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.040 kind of going through the motions. Yeah. Um. And on 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.080 the other hand, as soon as the insurance folks arrive 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.399 on the scene, they're the ones who want you to 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.240 know they're relentless and they will use their power anyway 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:44.520 they want. Oh yeah, yeah, there's money involved. There's money involved, 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.800 and it's their money. Yeah. And apparently what they say 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.760 and that as as they first show up, is any 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.800 insurance agents who closed the case also get a solid 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.960 percentage of whatever they recover in their own pocket. Right. 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:02.320 It's kind of like the the long history of private police, 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:06.000 private security, pinkertons all that, where they're they're mercenaries and 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:10.120 they just want the money. Yeah, commission um and they 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.600 pretty quickly do break the law um too. During the 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.920 course of the investigation, they track down one of the 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.760 people Thomas Crown used to take down the bank, even 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:20.600 though he went to great pains to make sure nobody 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.720 knew each other. They take this guy who's just like 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.439 some guy. They kickap his child to lure him out 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.920 of hiding, and then they shake him down for whatever 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.400 information they get from Like they hold his kid hostage 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:32.960 and they're like, if you don't tell us what we 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:37.240 want to know, like, we're gonna hurt your kid. So 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.879 so in the movie. You don't see that in enough movies. 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.320 You really don't. But it's like, you know, it says 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:47.040 something to me about also, like this other force that's emerging, 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.879 this kind of like you know, companies can can be 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:53.159 much more threatening than even the cops can be. Like 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.680 maybe it's like a creeping fear people are starting to have. Yeah, 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.520 I think that, Yeah, you're seeing expanding corporization things at 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.280 that time. Makes sense. So, like I said, like I 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.160 think this is kind of a peek into the psyche 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.400 of the time and the growing power of the FBI 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.200 and other dark, unseen bureaucracies. Well, and this is what's 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.800 this is what's driving Teddy right, Like he's watched this 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.320 movie six times now. You said, yeah, and that's okay. 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.840 So yeah, he's like under its sway at this he's 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:23.439 just feeling it. He's like, yeah, yeah, like I also, 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:26.119 And maybe you know, after leaving school, he was feeling 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.920 a little bit like an outcast. Um, maybe he should 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.359 have watched Easy Rider because then he wanted just that 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.840 he'd be a whole lot cooler. But right now he's like, 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.280 it's me and the system. Baby, Yeah, that's it. So 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.920 in addition to Teddy's friends saying he loved this movie, 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.760 they said he sort of embodied the Thomas Crown character 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.119 for a while. And they say he was like drinking 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.520 expensive gin's, driving fancy sports cars, like showing off on 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:56.520 the golf course. Wait, really, trouble picture. I like to 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.399 think he also died his hair blonde and brought an 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:00.359 eight hundred dollar three piece suit and a watch. Fob 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:08.600 year old is twenty year old, like drinking you know, Scotch, 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:13.199 playing golf in Ohio. He's like impressing all of his 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.960 friends with his knowledge of like he's also yeah, he's 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.160 impressing him also by shoplifting a deck of cards. Make 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.040 those make sense? Is he then like like in the movie, 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:26.760 he's driving like exotic dune buggies on picturesque beaches like Ohio. 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.960 He flies on ultra light to the bank in Ohio 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.360 and then frogs with his glamorous co star. He was very, 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:40.160 very meticulous in his his mimicry. And it's nineteen sixty nine, baby, 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.920 so is he also hosting naked fondue parts? Who is 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:46.080 to say? And we know he's got a job at 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.320 a bank, right, we know he managed to steal a 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.400 whole bunch of money, but we don't know what happened 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.600 in there. Yeah, I'm desperate to know how he wound 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:56.760 up strolling out with a bag of a paper bag 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.880 of cash. Okay, then what I would like you to do? 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:05.960 It's closed your eyes as close. I want you to 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:12.000 picture it. M hmm. You're in a completely deadened, soundless, 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:18.760 empty room. Nothing is happening, nothing will happen. Just relax 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.800 and breathe. I have now removed the burden of me 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:28.800 having to do sound design for a picture at segment. Yes, 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:35.520 I win. That was alright, cool, alright, done, all right, 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:37.680 all right, thanks for joining us. Check that one off. 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:43.639 Okay next time, Okay, frill though, frial though, picture for 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:48.080 real free. Alright, we're there. It's a Friday, it's noon time. 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:53.760 It's July nine. You are a twenty year old works 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:57.600 at a small time hardware store. It's your friend Teddy's birthday, 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.800 and you're sharing your lunch break to celebrate. You and 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.600 Teddy are at a boot in a chrome laden diner, 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.080 choking down hot dogs. Maybe you're sucking down chili dogs. 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:12.879 I'm not sure. You're choking on a hot dog. Uh. 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:19.199 Black girl sweeting some fries uh, and you're sucking down 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:23.200 a black cow, which is the chocolate shape made with vanilla. 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.399 I was like, I don't know what what impression you 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.199 have of me. This is not a this is not 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:35.120 a parallel nine, This is real nineteen. You're looking over 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:37.600 a Teddy. His hair is slipped back, he has on 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:42.600 suspenders with a gun holster over a black turtleneck. His 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:47.840 transformation to Steve McQueen is nearly complete. Between slurps, Teddy 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:51.560 stirs the shake, shoots you a furtive glance, and says 0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.560 to doos the day. At first, you're like, why are 0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:57.800 you talking like that? And you have no idea what 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.960 he's talking about. But then he puts his finger to 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:05.320 his nose and you remember, oh wow. You say, oh wow, 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:13.120 oh wow again, oh wow. Thank you. After you both 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.840 finish up and pay, you accompanied Teddy to the package 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.280 door in the corner. You stand behind him as he 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.600 buys a fifth of Crown Royal and a carton of smokes. 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.240 He grabs a bag of funns for you. You look hungry. 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:28.399 Hell yeah. The cashier is handing him the booze and 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:31.960 smokes on that trail, not the cashier the product. Oh. 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:35.960 I was like, what is going on in? I lost you? 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.200 So he asked for a bag or a bag as 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:44.119 it sounds in midwaister needs. The cashier hands him a 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:50.200 small paper bag, the bigger one. It's my birthday, Teddy 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:52.760 says to the teller, gonna have a real big night. 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:54.600 His voice just cracked like he couldn't keep doing the 0:26:54.680 --> 0:27:00.280 husky thing. I need a big birthday bag. I'm a 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:07.400 big boy. Now. Birthday boys get a birthday bag. Um. 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.720 So you and Teddy partway is outside the package store, 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.560 him with his big birthday bag. I'm just gonna go 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:15.760 sit behind a dumpster and eat the Fians like a 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:21.199 raccoon and wipe their hands on your pants. Uh. So 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:23.000 you head back to your job at the hardware place. 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.000 Your mind is racing with what's about to play out. 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.080 You're thinking like today's the day? Yeah, what does that mean? 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.280 So Teddy heads back to Society National Bank, where you 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:34.399 remember he works as a teller along with his partner 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:39.080 pen uh I. Was way up the front steps he 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.880 sees the security guard Mike, Mike with ice running through 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.920 his veins. Teddy hoists the paper bag, pulls the neck 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:47.800 of the crown bottle out, and then the top of 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.000 the smokes carten. He's got a big grin on his 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.960 face as he shouts to the security guard, it's my birthday, 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.199 Gonna have a real big night. Oh god. It's a 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.360 line he had practiced at home for hours in front 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:04.240 of the mirror. No. Mike smiles back and says, okay, kid, 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:08.600 do it up birthday and take care of yourself. Mike 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:12.879 feels so bad for Teddy all the time, because like 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.199 this is the third time this month that he's come 0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:16.800 up and said it's my birthday. And to have a 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.600 big night. Don't you pity me, Teddy. You don't know 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.639 it's my birthday. I haven't have a big night. Just me, me, 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.160 a bottle of Crown Royal and a curtain of smokes. 0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:31.879 Enjoy it, Me and Parlain, Funkadelic and the Royal Craft. 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.080 But Teddy's guinea. He lightly vaults up the rest of 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:38.760 the steps and heads back to his station at the 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:43.160 bank's birthday. Now, Teddy wasn't just any teller working front 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:47.960 of house. Teddy was a vault teller. What that means 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.560 is he and his colleague pen are alone with all 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:55.400 the money pretty much all day. Yeah, they fulfill orders 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.960 to the customer facing tellers, got it. So they're like, 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.840 you know, dream of green backs. They're just they and 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.280 they stand there surrounded by it all day in a 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.840 big vault. Yeah, and like you know, I'm sure they've 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:08.959 done at least one Scrooge mid up dip. Right. I 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:14.240 was just going to say, they're like dito it? Okay. 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.560 So now it's around three pm. It's been quiet at 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:19.600 the bank. There's nothing going on because everyone's glued to 0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:22.160 their sets at home waiting for news from NASA about 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.480 the moon. Mission. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. So Teddy says 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.600 to to Pen, why don't you knock off early? I 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.400 got this, I'll close up for the both of us. 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.560 His coworker scurries off, and that's kind of it. Clock 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.800 hits closing time. Teddy grabs as many cheddar stacks as 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:38.760 we'll fit in his outside bag with the smokes and 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.200 the liquor, which ends up being something like two thousand dollars, 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:44.600 and he leaves a cloud of dust as he hits 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.800 for the door. So it's like a big grocery back. 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:51.600 That's what I'm saying. It's a birthday back, happy birthday. 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:54.360 Like they probably handed him a bag that covered the 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.240 the flask and he's like no, no, no, no no no. 0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:58.840 And then they handed him a bag that covered the 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.520 smokes and he's like no, no, no, no no, no no. 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.120 He You know what, Like, I think every school had 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.600 a kid who their parents would occasionally send them send 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.880 them to school with their lunch in a giant grocery 0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:14.720 size bag. Do you ever have that? Like I I 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.400 never struck out that way because if we didn't have 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.520 lunch bags or like a lunch box or whatever, my 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.080 grandma would put them in those blue New York Times 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:30.560 newspaper from morning do Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, he's got 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:32.480 like a big old lunch up in there. I always 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:34.840 think of the big ones as like the John Bender 0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:40.520 Doo bitch bags from Breakfast. Yes. Yes, the prop master 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.120 did such a good job with that thing, like it 0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:46.640 looked like it was Oh yeah, yeah, So that's kind 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.719 of what I'm imagining him carrying here. So you know, 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:51.240 as we know, on the steps, he runs into Mike 0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.200 the security ard again. He waves, Mike waves back, and 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:58.720 he's gone. So my question to you is, does Mike 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.720 shout something like very nineteen sixty nine back at this 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.840 time he like throws he throws up a piece symbol. 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.800 Would that be like keep on trucking? Yeah, he was, 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:15.600 And he's wearing platform shoes and billbo trucking and then 0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.640 just rainbows fly out from him and then stars appear 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.080 all illustrated in this. Yeah, this is just this whole 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.920 thing is just a dream. Hey kid, you drop some 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:27.520 And instead of me and Joe Green giving him his uniform, 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.800 the security guard gives him his uniform. That's exactly what 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:34.600 it was. So what does Teddy do next? Where too? 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.640 But Teddy heads to the giant, brutalist federal building in 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.440 Boston that houses the region's Social Security administration. So Teddy 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:46.440 walks in and he says something like, hey, i'd like 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:51.320 to sob security card and stuff. It's my birthday. Yeah, 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.320 it's my birthday. And see this bag um just being 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.080 nineteen sixty nine. They're like, of course, my good man 0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:00.320 will type it up right now, what is your name? 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:05.920 But you know what, like they ironically they have the 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:11.360 same computer system. Now that that's right. Uh, So Teddy 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:15.640 gives Thomas Randell as his name and Patsy's age by 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.080 two years. And if he's a new person, he could 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.240 just walk in and be like, I need a Social 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.640 Security card. It's my birthday. I'm Teddy, And as far 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:25.920 as I can tell, that's it. Like he didn't like 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:27.440 do the whole thing of like let me find a 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:32.240 dead person. It was just like, um, Thomas Randell, Like 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:37.280 I didn't find that name until Teddy pops up. Wow, 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.440 I'm gonna try it and I'll do like bodycam footage 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.360 and we'll see how that goes. So I go into 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:47.400 the Social Security building about it's me. I thought you 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.760 were saying you're going to give the name bodycam footage 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.360 as your name, yeah, man, and my new name. I'm 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.960 gonna go into the Social Security office and like I 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.280 need a Social Security card. My name is bodycam footage 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.800 and you're like, ma'am, this is an Arby's um. So 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:04.840 let's let's just like stop and think about this for 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.880 a second. Does this sound like the movie Thomas Crown 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:13.200 Affair at all? No? No, no, no it doesn't. I 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.680 mean only in the sense that, like he got away 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.160 with the bank robbery of his own bank. I mean, 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.720 there's that it sounds like because he said his name 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:24.280 was Thomas on the new card, and I wonder where 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.680 Randell came from? Is that, like I have no idea, 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.880 Like he he had a prophecy that there was gonna 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:34.600 be a football player named Antoine Randall l and then 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.160 he was like there is uh so we're not sure 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.680 how long Teddy now Thomas roams around. There are some 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.320 leads along the way for Marshall John Elliott, some spottings 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.080 in Hawaii and elsewhere that may or might not have 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.160 been real, But eventually we do know. He settles for 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:54.360 good in the town of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, and the newspaper 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.160 stories from around his death make a big deal out 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.080 of how he decides to live so close to where 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.480 the Thomas Crown Affair took place and was films. But 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:04.440 to me, I mean, yeah, it's close, but it's not 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.520 back close Like no, not really. Most of the action 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.720 of the film takes place in downtown Boston proper Um, 0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.120 and in Beacon Hill and in Cambridge Cemetery, which is 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:17.759 in Cambridge, Cambridge. Yeah, exactly. Lynnfield is by the North 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.640 Shore or North Shaw as you would say to you, 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:25.239 there seventeen miles north of all that. Well, here's the thing, 0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:29.120 like he his crime really wasn't like the Thomas Crown affair. 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:34.160 It was like t c A adjacent, So he's t 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.600 c A adjacent in his relocation, like it's always it's 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.400 like a bad cramp drawing version of everything. That's a 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.719 good way to put it. Yeah, this is close enough, 0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.120 and you know, from what I could glean, he lives 0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.840 a pretty nice life. Over time, he becomes a local 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:52.400 golf pro. He's giving lessons at the clubs around Boston. 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.160 He's participating in regional tournaments, all things that you know 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.399 Steve McQueen would do in a Steve McQueen movie. For sure, 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:03.240 totally for work. Get ready for this. He becomes a 0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:07.520 luxury car salesman. Oh I got Mini Coopers for over 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.680 forty years. No, no, not even anything as exotic as that. 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:16.480 Volvos and land Rovers. Huh okay, So like the suburban set, 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.719 it's kind of like the reverse of uh, you know, 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:21.520 the whole thing of like hard men said that they 0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.359 are used car dealers. He does his crime and then 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.719 says he's like and he's like adjacent. So he's like, 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:31.000 I'm actually a luxury car new cars, So I heard 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.399 something about car dealer. He does do a good job 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.920 keeping a low profile. So the first mentioned anywhere on 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.799 newspapers dot com, by the way, a fantastic source for 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.319 anything you're looking for the greatest thing ever. I got 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.799 so lost in there and uh and I will tell 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.959 you in this episode just how amazing it is. Wait 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.239 for it. Here's a hot tip for anyone interested in 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:55.200 dabbling with newspapers dot com. Put in your home address, 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.280 like your number and your the name of your street 0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:00.440 in the local paper and you'll find out, like history, 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.000 everything that went down at your house. That's a great call. 0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:06.080 I didn't even think I'm a I'm a I'm a 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.959 special investigator. What can I say? So the first time 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:13.320 he pops on newspapers dot com is in in golf 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.640 tournament results at Halifax Country Club in the Boston Globe. 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.680 So like, what is that? Uh? Six six years? Yeah, 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.600 six seven year or something like that. Um. And the 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.040 only things I could find in the newspaper from that 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.640 from this fifth year stretch were from his golf career. 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.000 And the only photo I found was from the AP 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.440 when he attended the US Open golf tourney. And I 0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.440 wonder if he was like, yeah, could you guys like 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:44.080 not post that photo he's got like one hand over 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.200 the side of his face or at that point it's 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:47.920 been like forty seven years, or is he like what 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.799 does he care? He's like, no one cares. Who knows 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:56.560 who cares? Um? But there is one anomaly that I 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.839 just can't figure out. I will tell you about it 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.720 as soon as we come back from this year break cool, 0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:28.200 Elizabeth David. I'm not Zaren. I'm still not Zaren. I 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.040 thank you for getting my name right though. Hey, I 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.640 pay attention, and you know what, I'm going to ask 0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:38.399 you what your ridiculous takeaway is when this is all over, better. 0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:42.040 I better get cribbon on that. Uh. So we were 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:46.120 talking about man at t C A adjacent c t 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.080 C A adjacent. I keep getting the names crossed t 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:53.120 c A adjacent Thomas Randell. I always want Thomas A 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:58.920 Teddy a k A Teddy Conrad ak birthday boy. And 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.160 we know, like you know, there are good life uh. 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.880 And he was around for over fifty years golf pro 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:09.240 slang and sweet Volvos before you were so rudely interrupted 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.719 by ads. They were really good though. You have to 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.400 admit that was a hot crop right there. Choice there's 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.439 one piece of the story that I haven't been able 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:20.000 to figure out, and I want your help figuring it out. 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.640 You got it. So Thomas got married in Lynnfield to 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:27.440 a woman named Kathy Mahan m h A n. Which 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:29.680 would almost be like in Rhode Island, if someone said 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:35.000 Kathy Mahon, you would think they were meant Kathy Maharn there, 0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.919 I would think if it's m and it might also 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:42.040 be Mayhan. Oh, it could be yeah, Kathy Mayhan, Kathy Mayhem. 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:47.960 That that's her actual name. Everybody Kathy Mayhem. Uh. They 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:51.040 own a home, nothing crazy, pretty standard suburban Boston home, 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:56.719 but in they filed for bankruptcy protection and I was 0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:58.960 able to look it up on PACER, which is you know, 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:02.640 a place where you can find court uh court proceedings 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.320 UM and bankruptcies are you know, public? You have to 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.880 file stuff for people like me to find. So this 0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.399 was all public information. I'm just saying that I didn't 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:14.080 go UM. If you did, I'd be so proud of you. 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.360 So the court records show they had a ton of 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.560 credit card debt, like hundred and sixty thou dollars and 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:26.600 very few assets. They had a couple of economy cars, dad, 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:30.360 some pretty standard jewelry, a second mortgage, nothing extravagant. So 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.680 my question to you, Elizabeth Crime is where did all 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.319 the money go? Well? Are you sure it was all 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.520 credit card debt? Do you think they had medical debt? 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:40.920 It didn't specify. I mean it did say it was 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.960 revolving credit. I'll let you in on a little secret. 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.719 In my past life, there was a time when I 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:50.360 worked for a bankruptcy trustee and I used to have 0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:53.799 to go through the bankruptcy schedules that people would file 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:57.719 and pull out all the pertinent information and you'd see, 0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.200 like you know, and then we'd get ready for what 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.680 they call the m see the meeting of creditors, where 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.840 the creditors would come and explain why they had to 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.759 get their cash back. And really the only ones that 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.360 would ever show up would be like Sears for Sears 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:14.440 cards and they'd interview the person who's declaring bankruptcy and 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.200 like where is that that toaster? Oven? I gave it 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.640 away as a gift, um, but like, yeah it is. 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:26.360 Don't both sleep on me. I'm imagining that scene, like 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:29.080 I'm imagining someone from Sears and the Sears showing up. 0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.600 It's amazing. It's it's a really bizarre thing that they do. 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.120 But a lot of what I saw was medical debt, 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:37.439 and so you know, people would wrack up credit cards 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:39.960 and especially like you know, there was a time when 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:42.359 it was way easier to get a bunch of credit 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:46.080 cards and a fewer kind of consumer protections on them, um, 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.880 and so you know, people like just spending like crazy 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.680 on these store credit cards and regular credit cards. But 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:54.480 then it was the medical debt that did it to 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:59.080 people horrific. If it's not looking like it was from uh, 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:04.120 you know, a medical provider on the bankruptcy listing stuff 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:07.040 that you saw it probably isn't, but that's in my experience. 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.480 What I saw is most people were declaring bankruptcy not 0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:14.240 because of bad spending habits or extravagant living or whatever. 0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.240 Like they'd get sick and there either didn't have insurance 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.800 or their insurance wouldn't cover what happened, and they have 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:22.680 like hundreds of thousand dollars of de Yeah, I know 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:25.839 that makes sense, Like I know even like yeah that today, um, 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.239 people either like they have to set up go fund 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.960 me is or like one big bad medical thing happens 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.279 and you're just done. Yeah. So maybe like he had 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.120 a bunch of stuff and he put it onto cards. 0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:37.960 I don't know. Yeah, I mean, um, the Marshall said 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.160 there were still stacks of unpaid bills on their table 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.080 after he died. It's really sad. So yeah, where did 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.440 that money go? Because it was two d something that well, 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:47.880 I mean the thing is if he's just kind of 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.359 goofing around being a golf pro for a while, maybe 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.279 he's not making money and you can see how I 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:56.080 can see how you'd burn through it. My Yeah. My 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.919 two theories were one when he was young, in those 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.480 six years before he ended up in Lynnfield, like he 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.600 basically blew it all and we'll never know about it, 0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:06.759 like had a really good time and then save just 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:11.239 enough to buy the house. Or here's here's the here's 0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:14.800 the cliffhanger. What if he felt really bad about the 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.680 crime and so he buried it and then like on 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.600 his deathbed when he's confessing to his wife, he's also saying, oh, 0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:24.359 and here's where the money, here's where it is. That's 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.440 a cooler version of this. I like that, um, or 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:29.080 you know, he could have just thrown the trash. He 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.279 was like, you know what, I feel terrible at having this. 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.520 I'm just gonna take this bag and shove it. That 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.960 could be too. This guy's a loose candid Yeah. Uh, 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:40.520 we don't know who who knows in this case? I 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:44.200 do care, so I'm not gonna use your line. I care, 0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:48.640 but don't care. Um, so not to bring the house down. 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.280 But but the way he dies is through lung cancer. 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.920 And it's pretty bad as it usually is. Uh, he 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.480 was buying a cart in the smoke, so that time, 0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:00.120 I'm sorry that was rude. And yeah I remember like 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.200 he's been on the lamb for fifty years. No one 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:05.399 has any clue that Thomas Randell is Teddy Conrad. Yeah, 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:09.080 the son Marshall Peter Elliott was quoted by the Cleveland 0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:10.919 Plain Dealer in two thousand and eight, so a while 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:13.239 before they find him. One of the reasons I stayed 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.880 after this guy is that some people thought he was 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.200 some kind of a hero or Robin Hood. He's not. 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.320 He was nothing but a thief, A young, smartass thief 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:25.240 who managed to elude law enforcement for all these years. 0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:29.239 Hopefully we can bring him to justice soon. Oh and 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.600 that's the sun who's carrying don Well, here's the thing 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.080 that you did mention. He's on the lamb for fifty years. Like, 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:40.040 I don't think it's ridiculous to have him declare bankruptcy 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.600 at that point, because that's fifty years is a long 0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:44.960 time to be riding on that cash. Yeah, I think 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.839 it was gone pretty quickly, Okay. And I like your 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.520 idea of that lost six years before he moves to Linfield. Yeah, 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:53.080 I mean, we don't know, like other than that he 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:55.480 was in Boston initially to get his to get a 0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:58.759 Social Security card. You know, he's just he's just you know, 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:02.040 trapes and a rounds, spending his money on liquor and tarts. 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:04.759 Maybe he fell into like a cult of some kind 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:13.279 and donated a bunch of it to them. Yeah yeah uh. 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:17.439 Or he found like some brotherhood of of Ganja or something. Yes, 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:22.920 that's another possibility. Um. So. Peter's dad, Deputy Marshall John Elliott, 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:24.799 did not live to see this case closed. He died 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:28.520 um and according to the New York Post quote, he 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.560 never stopped searching for Conrad and wanted closure until his death. 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.359 So he was like cheering his son on from the side. Yeah. 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.680 And I know Peter was hitting the case real hard, 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.480 in part because while I was doing my research on 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.440 newspapers dot com, when I got to the original newspaper 0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:47.640 that printed the indictment in nine Elizabeth, guess what I 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.760 found next to it? Oh my god what The article 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:53.719 had already been clipped by a newspaper dot com user 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:58.840 named Peter Elliott. The digital foot prints. This is the 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:01.600 stuff we lived. Oh my god, you're walking in the 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:07.279 footsteps of heroes. Who would you lose it if you 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.360 were like looking for a story and you saw that 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:11.480 they clipped something that you were looking at before you Oh, 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:13.799 most definitely the person in the story. That's what I would, 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:15.640 I would totally lose it. I thought, you're gonna go 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:18.160 Anthony keytis Well that I really lose it if it 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:22.440 was or if yeah, yeah, no it's for Shante. I 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:25.080 mean that's when I would lose my mind. I feel 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:26.719 like I didn't give enough of a beat here, Like 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:31.839 how wild is that? That's yeah that you're what you're 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:35.680 looking at this and you're watching that the son of 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.640 the man in the article has has clipped it. That's incredible. 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:41.520 And you also like to think like, oh, the marshals 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.960 have their own like you know, badass databases and stuff. No, 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.719 they also that was some home investigation stuff like that's 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:52.840 like sitting at home on a Friday night, you know, 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:59.080 deep and deep in your study of conspiracy string. So 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.719 that's amazing. Yeah, so he got his closure. Let's get ours. 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.880 There's a guy off off camera who's like, wrap it up. 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:10.680 But I have so much good stuff it's so hard 0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.919 to know what to cut. I mentioned at the top 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.080 that Teddy confessed to his wife as he lay dying 0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:19.360 he had made a ton of good friends, including some 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:23.360 in law enforcement, which is brazen as hell, right, but 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:26.759 his wife kept a secret until after he died. Good 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:30.680 for her till death do us part legit His friends 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.800 when they found out about all this, they were stunned. 0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.400 I think both the lung cancer and the bank robbery. 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.160 They all thought the world of him, so they didn't 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:43.080 even know that he had lung cancer. He yeah, Wow, 0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:49.040 it's secretive, secretive, proud guy. Yeah, a little sneaky squirrel. 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.960 I pulled some of their recollections from a CBS news piece. Um, 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.200 I'll just read you a couple of these. His former 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.360 co workers at the dealership said they never heard Randall 0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.200 say a bad word about any buddy or raise his voice. 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.560 They all said he was the best golfer they ever knew. 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.880 Everyone wanted him on their side when there was a tournament. Uh. 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.360 One of his co workers, Bob van Wert, said he 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:12.319 wasn't much of a drinker and never put down any 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:15.239 side bets while playing. I guess those are like the 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.680 marks of of a like mean golf. You're a drunk 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.680 and you're betting on the side. They remember kept it clean, 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:25.400 he worked clean. Uh. They remembered he could always control 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:27.960 his emotions and rarely got upset, even on the course 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.520 where he had such a pretty swing that he once 0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:33.719 bested Hall of Fame golfer Johnny Miller at a charity event. 0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:37.040 His former boss remembered a pretty swing, he got a 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:40.720 real pretty sing. And also Johnny Miller, not actor Johnny 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.600 Lee Miller who has a pretty face, and not Johnny Miller. 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.399 King is that king of the road. Uh, Roger Miller, 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:51.719 Roger Roger. It's Roger Miller's brother. Matt Kaplan, who is 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.640 his boss and managed two dealerships where he worked golf 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.000 of them every Sunday morning for many years, called him 0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:01.800 the definition of a gentleman. Well, and I quote, the 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:03.800 only way it makes sense is that at that age 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:05.960 he was just a kid and it was a challenge 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.319 kind of thing. Kaplan said, It's not like he became 0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:14.800 a professional bank robber that we know, right. Uh. And 0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:16.440 then he says, you know, the man was different from 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:18.120 the kid, and and we just didn't think he was 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.239 that kind of guy. Uh. Someone else said, you know, 0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:23.719 all the years I knew Tommy, I never heard him 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:25.840 mention a sister or a mother, or a brother or 0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:30.239 a father. Everything was kind of generalized. He's like, yes, 0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:34.520 I love my family. And finally, when asked about the 0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:36.960 motive for the robbery. His friend Russell Metcalf, who we 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.200 met in that coffee shop, said it wasn't about the money, 0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.800 So is that too cute? By half? It wasn't what 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.279 what was it about? Russell? He said? He was like, 0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:49.480 I'm trying what he said. He said something like, you know, 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:53.080 he did it for the thrill. Well, so that's the 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:56.160 Thomas Crown part of it. I guess that it's not 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.640 about the money. It's just for the action. But it 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:02.160 doesn't seemed like he felt him in by society, right, 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.759 it was just like I'm aboard you know what. Well, 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:08.839 it was the part of Thomas Crown that's like, I'm 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:10.560 a rich bank executive and I don't know how to 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:14.160 have fun anymore. Yeah, but he's adjacent to that. So 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:17.520 he's a young bank teller who doesn't know how he 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.480 doesn't know how to have fun anymore. That's right. What 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:24.520 you call it, t c A, it's the uh so. Yeah, 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.640 instead of the bank executive, he's the bank teller exactly, 0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.280 just a little bit off. And instead of personal glasses, 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:36.480 he's got ray band glasses. So this brings us to 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.359 how the case was cracked. It's a little mysterious. There's 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:43.040 still there's a little mystery here too. Shortly after Randell's 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:46.320 obituary appeared in local paper Marshall, Peter Elliott got a 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.799 tip that he should read this obituary because it might 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:52.920 help him was something he's investigating. M Um, I was 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:55.319 going to read the obituary here, but I'm just gonna 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.600 We're gonna post it in the instagram. But I'll tell 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:02.440 you it was the mostly true tale of Theodore Conrad. Uh. 0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:05.239 It listed his parents real names, had the dates off 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:08.960 by two years, but otherwise it all squared. So Pierre 0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:10.759 Elliot's reading this bills go off in his head. He 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.600 puts it all together, and in order to confirm, he 0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:17.960 pulled the records from the bankruptcy filings in and compared 0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:24.080 the signature to Teddy's college application. Whoa deep dive, it's 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:28.279 a match. Yeah, things you can't find on newspapers dot com. Right, 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:30.720 So he did some of his own leg work. Dang. 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:33.600 So the only thing left to do was to follow 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.600 up with Cathy Thomas's wife. She gets a knock on 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:39.879 the door six months after his death. Thankfully, in this case, 0:50:39.960 --> 0:50:42.600 the Feds were merciful, okay, and she didn't get accessory 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.239 after the fact. No, they confirmed the details with her. 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.919 She's still in mourning and the FEDS decided to drop 0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:51.160 the charges against Randell's slash Conrad. They're like, yeah, what's 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:56.120 he's dead? So I ask you, what's your ridiculous takeaway? 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.840 My ridiculous takeaway is that every criminal, because I like, 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.520 we look at he has Thomas Crown affair, he's t 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:08.880 c A adjacent and then Riddon Fight was Michael Man adjacent. 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:12.200 I think every criminal should have some sort of filmography 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:15.840 that they're a chase too, just a little off, make it, 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:17.920 make it fun for us. And I also want to 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:20.680 go to a bank robbers convention. It seems like it 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:23.719 worked pretty well, right, like having a having a movie 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:26.520 be your theme. Like, yeah, so so tell me, Dave, 0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:30.720 what's your ridiculous takeaway? Thank you for asking? No problem. 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:33.959 I would say, it's interesting to me that he transforms 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:37.600 from like would be cool dude, coolest dude into a 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.520 local golf pro, luxury car dealer, kind of a herb. 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:44.520 But well, I don't know a nice guy like you know, 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.040 with all respect to his widow who still lives like 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:49.439 he seems like a really good dude. Through and through, 0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:54.080 but style wise, you know, it's definitely not what he 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:57.799 was imagining when he was imagining Steve McQueen. Yeah, very true. 0:51:58.160 --> 0:51:59.960 So my question is is that the price he pays 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:03.040 for dreaming big and going after that dream to not 0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:05.600 be Steve McQueen. Well, like you get it, like you 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:07.560 you did the crime, you got away with it, but 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:10.680 you can't be Steve McQueen because Steve McQueen is deep. Yeah, 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:15.080 only Steve McQueen, Steve McQueen or Steve McQueen the film 0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:17.960 director can be Steve Steve. That's right. There are but 0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.960 two and maybe the Faustian bargain is like you can 0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:24.160 do cool things, but you can't be cool. You're gonna 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:27.400 have to be kind of a nerd. Yeah, well, you 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:31.000 can't just decide you're gonna do cool stuff and it'll 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.520 make you cool. You just have to be cool, you know. 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:39.200 It's Yeah, it's not a can't be that that constructed 0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:47.520 and yeah, in order to sad, you have to start 0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:51.680 gold exact to bring it back to has poseful and 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.520 h The second ridiculous takeaway I have is and we've 0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:57.759 you know, there's this Bob Dylan lyric. We've discussed before 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:01.239 offline from Absolutely Swee Marie off of Blonde and Blonde, 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:04.600 which came out of nineteen sixty six, so Teddy could 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.560 have heard it. The line is to live outside the law, 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.239 you must be honest. Yep, exactly, And wherever his erin 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:13.719 is again, I know he's kicking himself because this was 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:16.759 like a part of his upbringing. Now, Bob Dylan was 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.320 a legendary trickster, and it's hard to know so often 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:22.400 whether his lyrics are profound or if they're totally empty 0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.080 of meaning, just sounding smart and deep but actually or 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:28.240 that he played characters he played. He definitely played characters. 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.200 But this one kind of sticks with you. I think, 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:33.520 oh yeah, it definitely does. So Elizabeth, in this story, 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.640 do we have a one time criminal who went on 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:38.960 to live an honest life outside the law and got 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:42.040 it done? I would say yes, yeah, right, Like he 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.800 left his old identity behind. He never spoke to his 0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:48.800 family again, he never told anyone anything meaningful about his past. 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:53.520 It's like he followed the ten Crack commandments and good 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:56.560 on you, Good on Teddy. And other than racking up 0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:58.719 massive consumer debts, he seems to have lived very much 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:01.160 by the book. Yeah, and his past never caught up 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.520 with him. So maybe that's good advice from old Bob exactly. 0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:08.120 I love it. Well, that's it from here. Finally, I 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:13.160 am Zaren Burnett. Well kind of, you're Zarin Burnetta. Jason, 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.640 I'm Elizabeth Dutton. I guess you're more Zaren Burnette than 0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.919 I am, but we're all. Everyone's got a little Zaren 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:23.839 Burnette to them. 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