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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hey Dave, Um,

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Speaker 1: did you see the note from Zaren? Uh? No, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was nailed to the front desk here at Ridiculous

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Speaker 1: know what that means. So that's ridiculous. Um, right, do

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Speaker 1: you have a ridiculous crime that you want to tell

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Speaker 1: travel with uh with a whole list of ridiculous crimes.

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Speaker 1: But um, hang on, it's on this piece of paper

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Speaker 1: just unfolded here, perfect let's see. No, not that one.

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Speaker 1: Definitely not that one. Okay, here we go. How about

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Speaker 1: the story of a college kid turned bank robber who

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Speaker 1: was inspired to commit his crime by a Steve McQueen

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Speaker 1: to confess on his deathbed. WHOA, yes, give it to me.

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Speaker 1: This is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous

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Speaker 1: capers and cons. It's always murder free and one hondo

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton, along with our interns. Hey interns, hey interns.

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Speaker 1: We do not know where Zarin is. Uh So I'm

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Speaker 1: you down. I have faith in you. Thank you, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: I want to tell you about a nineteen year old

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Speaker 1: community college student in the late nineteen sixties, his name

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Speaker 1: Theodore Conrad Teddy. Teddy walks out of a bank in

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Speaker 1: Ohio on July eleven, nine sixty nine, in broad daylight

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Speaker 1: with over two hundred thousand dollars of the bank's cash.

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Speaker 1: So that's the equivalent of one point seven million dollars today.

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Speaker 1: so he's nineteen. He's nineteen. He just pulls off the caper. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so he's got his his bag of cash. He goes

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Speaker 1: long life. Kid, Yeah, that's it, um, And almost immediately

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Speaker 1: everyone knows who did it too. In fact, he gets

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Speaker 1: and breathe. I have now removed the burden of me

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Speaker 1: having to do sound design for a picture at segment. Yes,

422
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: I win. That was alright, cool, alright, done, all right,

423
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Speaker 1: all right, thanks for joining us. Check that one off.

424
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Speaker 1: Okay next time, Okay, frill though, frial though, picture for

425
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: real free. Alright, we're there. It's a Friday, it's noon time.

426
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: It's July nine. You are a twenty year old works

427
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: at a small time hardware store. It's your friend Teddy's birthday,

428
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: and you're sharing your lunch break to celebrate. You and

429
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: Teddy are at a boot in a chrome laden diner,

430
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: choking down hot dogs. Maybe you're sucking down chili dogs.

431
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. You're choking on a hot dog. Uh.

432
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: Black girl sweeting some fries uh, and you're sucking down

433
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: a black cow, which is the chocolate shape made with vanilla.

434
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what what impression you

435
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: have of me. This is not a this is not

436
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: a parallel nine, This is real nineteen. You're looking over

437
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: a Teddy. His hair is slipped back, he has on

438
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: suspenders with a gun holster over a black turtleneck. His

439
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: transformation to Steve McQueen is nearly complete. Between slurps, Teddy

440
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: stirs the shake, shoots you a furtive glance, and says

441
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: to doos the day. At first, you're like, why are

442
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: you talking like that? And you have no idea what

443
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: he's talking about. But then he puts his finger to

444
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: his nose and you remember, oh wow. You say, oh wow,

445
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: oh wow again, oh wow. Thank you. After you both

446
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: finish up and pay, you accompanied Teddy to the package

447
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: door in the corner. You stand behind him as he

448
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: buys a fifth of Crown Royal and a carton of smokes.

449
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: He grabs a bag of funns for you. You look hungry.

450
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: Hell yeah. The cashier is handing him the booze and

451
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: smokes on that trail, not the cashier the product. Oh.

452
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on in? I lost you?

453
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: So he asked for a bag or a bag as

454
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: it sounds in midwaister needs. The cashier hands him a

455
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: small paper bag, the bigger one. It's my birthday, Teddy

456
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: says to the teller, gonna have a real big night.

457
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: His voice just cracked like he couldn't keep doing the

458
00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: husky thing. I need a big birthday bag. I'm a

459
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: big boy. Now. Birthday boys get a birthday bag. Um.

460
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: So you and Teddy partway is outside the package store,

461
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: him with his big birthday bag. I'm just gonna go

462
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: sit behind a dumpster and eat the Fians like a

463
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: raccoon and wipe their hands on your pants. Uh. So

464
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: you head back to your job at the hardware place.

465
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Your mind is racing with what's about to play out.

466
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: You're thinking like today's the day? Yeah, what does that mean?

467
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: So Teddy heads back to Society National Bank, where you

468
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: remember he works as a teller along with his partner

469
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: pen uh I. Was way up the front steps he

470
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: sees the security guard Mike, Mike with ice running through

471
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: his veins. Teddy hoists the paper bag, pulls the neck

472
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: of the crown bottle out, and then the top of

473
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: the smokes carten. He's got a big grin on his

474
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: face as he shouts to the security guard, it's my birthday,

475
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: Gonna have a real big night. Oh god. It's a

476
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: line he had practiced at home for hours in front

477
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: of the mirror. No. Mike smiles back and says, okay, kid,

478
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: do it up birthday and take care of yourself. Mike

479
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: feels so bad for Teddy all the time, because like

480
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: this is the third time this month that he's come

481
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: up and said it's my birthday. And to have a

482
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: big night. Don't you pity me, Teddy. You don't know

483
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: it's my birthday. I haven't have a big night. Just me, me,

484
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: a bottle of Crown Royal and a curtain of smokes.

485
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: Enjoy it, Me and Parlain, Funkadelic and the Royal Craft.

486
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: But Teddy's guinea. He lightly vaults up the rest of

487
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: the steps and heads back to his station at the

488
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: bank's birthday. Now, Teddy wasn't just any teller working front

489
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: of house. Teddy was a vault teller. What that means

490
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: is he and his colleague pen are alone with all

491
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: the money pretty much all day. Yeah, they fulfill orders

492
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: to the customer facing tellers, got it. So they're like,

493
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, dream of green backs. They're just they and

494
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: they stand there surrounded by it all day in a

495
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: big vault. Yeah, and like you know, I'm sure they've

496
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 1: done at least one Scrooge mid up dip. Right. I

497
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: was just going to say, they're like dito it? Okay.

498
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: So now it's around three pm. It's been quiet at

499
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: the bank. There's nothing going on because everyone's glued to

500
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: their sets at home waiting for news from NASA about

501
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: the moon. Mission. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. So Teddy says

502
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: to to Pen, why don't you knock off early? I

503
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: got this, I'll close up for the both of us.

504
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: His coworker scurries off, and that's kind of it. Clock

505
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: hits closing time. Teddy grabs as many cheddar stacks as

506
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: we'll fit in his outside bag with the smokes and

507
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: the liquor, which ends up being something like two thousand dollars,

508
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: and he leaves a cloud of dust as he hits

509
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: for the door. So it's like a big grocery back.

510
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's a birthday back, happy birthday.

511
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Like they probably handed him a bag that covered the

512
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: the flask and he's like no, no, no, no no no.

513
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: And then they handed him a bag that covered the

514
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: smokes and he's like no, no, no, no no, no no.

515
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: He You know what, Like, I think every school had

516
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: a kid who their parents would occasionally send them send

517
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: them to school with their lunch in a giant grocery

518
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: size bag. Do you ever have that? Like I I

519
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: never struck out that way because if we didn't have

520
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: lunch bags or like a lunch box or whatever, my

521
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: grandma would put them in those blue New York Times

522
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: newspaper from morning do Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, he's got

523
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: like a big old lunch up in there. I always

524
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: think of the big ones as like the John Bender

525
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: Doo bitch bags from Breakfast. Yes. Yes, the prop master

526
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: did such a good job with that thing, like it

527
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: looked like it was Oh yeah, yeah, So that's kind

528
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: of what I'm imagining him carrying here. So you know,

529
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: as we know, on the steps, he runs into Mike

530
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: the security ard again. He waves, Mike waves back, and

531
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: he's gone. So my question to you is, does Mike

532
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: shout something like very nineteen sixty nine back at this

533
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: time he like throws he throws up a piece symbol.

534
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: Would that be like keep on trucking? Yeah, he was,

535
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: And he's wearing platform shoes and billbo trucking and then

536
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: just rainbows fly out from him and then stars appear

537
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: all illustrated in this. Yeah, this is just this whole

538
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: thing is just a dream. Hey kid, you drop some

539
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: And instead of me and Joe Green giving him his uniform,

540
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: the security guard gives him his uniform. That's exactly what

541
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: it was. So what does Teddy do next? Where too?

542
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: But Teddy heads to the giant, brutalist federal building in

543
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: Boston that houses the region's Social Security administration. So Teddy

544
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: walks in and he says something like, hey, i'd like

545
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: to sob security card and stuff. It's my birthday. Yeah,

546
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: it's my birthday. And see this bag um just being

547
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. They're like, of course, my good man

548
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: will type it up right now, what is your name?

549
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: But you know what, like they ironically they have the

550
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: same computer system. Now that that's right. Uh, So Teddy

551
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: gives Thomas Randell as his name and Patsy's age by

552
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: two years. And if he's a new person, he could

553
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: just walk in and be like, I need a Social

554
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Security card. It's my birthday. I'm Teddy, And as far

555
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: as I can tell, that's it. Like he didn't like

556
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: do the whole thing of like let me find a

557
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: dead person. It was just like, um, Thomas Randell, Like

558
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: I didn't find that name until Teddy pops up. Wow,

559
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it and I'll do like bodycam footage

560
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: and we'll see how that goes. So I go into

561
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: the Social Security building about it's me. I thought you

562
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: were saying you're going to give the name bodycam footage

563
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: as your name, yeah, man, and my new name. I'm

564
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: gonna go into the Social Security office and like I

565
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: need a Social Security card. My name is bodycam footage

566
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: and you're like, ma'am, this is an Arby's um. So

567
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: let's let's just like stop and think about this for

568
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: a second. Does this sound like the movie Thomas Crown

569
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: Affair at all? No? No, no, no it doesn't. I

570
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: mean only in the sense that, like he got away

571
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: with the bank robbery of his own bank. I mean,

572
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: there's that it sounds like because he said his name

573
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: was Thomas on the new card, and I wonder where

574
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: Randell came from? Is that, like I have no idea,

575
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Like he he had a prophecy that there was gonna

576
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: be a football player named Antoine Randall l and then

577
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: he was like there is uh so we're not sure

578
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: how long Teddy now Thomas roams around. There are some

579
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: leads along the way for Marshall John Elliott, some spottings

580
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: in Hawaii and elsewhere that may or might not have

581
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: been real, But eventually we do know. He settles for

582
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: good in the town of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, and the newspaper

583
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: stories from around his death make a big deal out

584
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: of how he decides to live so close to where

585
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: the Thomas Crown Affair took place and was films. But

586
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, yeah, it's close, but it's not

587
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: back close Like no, not really. Most of the action

588
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: of the film takes place in downtown Boston proper Um,

589
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: and in Beacon Hill and in Cambridge Cemetery, which is

590
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: in Cambridge, Cambridge. Yeah, exactly. Lynnfield is by the North

591
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: Shore or North Shaw as you would say to you,

592
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: there seventeen miles north of all that. Well, here's the thing,

593
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: like he his crime really wasn't like the Thomas Crown affair.

594
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: It was like t c A adjacent, So he's t

595
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: c A adjacent in his relocation, like it's always it's

596
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: like a bad cramp drawing version of everything. That's a

597
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: good way to put it. Yeah, this is close enough,

598
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: and you know, from what I could glean, he lives

599
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: a pretty nice life. Over time, he becomes a local

600
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: golf pro. He's giving lessons at the clubs around Boston.

601
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: He's participating in regional tournaments, all things that you know

602
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: Steve McQueen would do in a Steve McQueen movie. For sure,

603
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: totally for work. Get ready for this. He becomes a

604
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: luxury car salesman. Oh I got Mini Coopers for over

605
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: forty years. No, no, not even anything as exotic as that.

606
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: Volvos and land Rovers. Huh okay, So like the suburban set,

607
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the reverse of uh, you know,

608
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: the whole thing of like hard men said that they

609
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: are used car dealers. He does his crime and then

610
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: says he's like and he's like adjacent. So he's like,

611
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm actually a luxury car new cars, So I heard

612
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: something about car dealer. He does do a good job

613
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: keeping a low profile. So the first mentioned anywhere on

614
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: newspapers dot com, by the way, a fantastic source for

615
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: anything you're looking for the greatest thing ever. I got

616
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: so lost in there and uh and I will tell

617
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: you in this episode just how amazing it is. Wait

618
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: for it. Here's a hot tip for anyone interested in

619
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: dabbling with newspapers dot com. Put in your home address,

620
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: like your number and your the name of your street

621
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: in the local paper and you'll find out, like history,

622
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: everything that went down at your house. That's a great call.

623
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even think I'm a I'm a I'm a

624
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 1: special investigator. What can I say? So the first time

625
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: he pops on newspapers dot com is in in golf

626
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: tournament results at Halifax Country Club in the Boston Globe.

627
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: So like, what is that? Uh? Six six years? Yeah,

628
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: six seven year or something like that. Um. And the

629
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: only things I could find in the newspaper from that

630
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: from this fifth year stretch were from his golf career.

631
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: And the only photo I found was from the AP

632
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: when he attended the US Open golf tourney. And I

633
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: wonder if he was like, yeah, could you guys like

634
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: not post that photo he's got like one hand over

635
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: the side of his face or at that point it's

636
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: been like forty seven years, or is he like what

637
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: does he care? He's like, no one cares. Who knows

638
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: who cares? Um? But there is one anomaly that I

639
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: just can't figure out. I will tell you about it

640
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: as soon as we come back from this year break cool,

641
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: Elizabeth David. I'm not Zaren. I'm still not Zaren. I

642
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: thank you for getting my name right though. Hey, I

643
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: pay attention, and you know what, I'm going to ask

644
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: you what your ridiculous takeaway is when this is all over, better.

645
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: I better get cribbon on that. Uh. So we were

646
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: talking about man at t C A adjacent c t

647
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: C A adjacent. I keep getting the names crossed t

648
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: c A adjacent Thomas Randell. I always want Thomas A

649
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: Teddy a k A Teddy Conrad ak birthday boy. And

650
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: we know, like you know, there are good life uh.

651
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: And he was around for over fifty years golf pro

652
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: slang and sweet Volvos before you were so rudely interrupted

653
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: by ads. They were really good though. You have to

654
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: admit that was a hot crop right there. Choice there's

655
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: one piece of the story that I haven't been able

656
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: to figure out, and I want your help figuring it out.

657
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: You got it. So Thomas got married in Lynnfield to

658
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: a woman named Kathy Mahan m h A n. Which

659
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: would almost be like in Rhode Island, if someone said

660
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: Kathy Mahon, you would think they were meant Kathy Maharn there,

661
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: I would think if it's m and it might also

662
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: be Mayhan. Oh, it could be yeah, Kathy Mayhan, Kathy Mayhem.

663
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: That that's her actual name. Everybody Kathy Mayhem. Uh. They

664
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: own a home, nothing crazy, pretty standard suburban Boston home,

665
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: but in they filed for bankruptcy protection and I was

666
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: able to look it up on PACER, which is you know,

667
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: a place where you can find court uh court proceedings

668
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: UM and bankruptcies are you know, public? You have to

669
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: file stuff for people like me to find. So this

670
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: was all public information. I'm just saying that I didn't

671
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: go UM. If you did, I'd be so proud of you.

672
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: So the court records show they had a ton of

673
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: credit card debt, like hundred and sixty thou dollars and

674
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: very few assets. They had a couple of economy cars, dad,

675
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: some pretty standard jewelry, a second mortgage, nothing extravagant. So

676
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: my question to you, Elizabeth Crime is where did all

677
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: the money go? Well? Are you sure it was all

678
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: credit card debt? Do you think they had medical debt?

679
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: It didn't specify. I mean it did say it was

680
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: revolving credit. I'll let you in on a little secret.

681
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: In my past life, there was a time when I

682
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: worked for a bankruptcy trustee and I used to have

683
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: to go through the bankruptcy schedules that people would file

684
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: and pull out all the pertinent information and you'd see,

685
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: like you know, and then we'd get ready for what

686
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: they call the m see the meeting of creditors, where

687
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: the creditors would come and explain why they had to

688
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: get their cash back. And really the only ones that

689
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: would ever show up would be like Sears for Sears

690
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: cards and they'd interview the person who's declaring bankruptcy and

691
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: like where is that that toaster? Oven? I gave it

692
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: away as a gift, um, but like, yeah it is.

693
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: Don't both sleep on me. I'm imagining that scene, like

694
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm imagining someone from Sears and the Sears showing up.

695
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's it's a really bizarre thing that they do.

696
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: But a lot of what I saw was medical debt,

697
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: and so you know, people would wrack up credit cards

698
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: and especially like you know, there was a time when

699
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: it was way easier to get a bunch of credit

700
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: cards and a fewer kind of consumer protections on them, um,

701
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: and so you know, people like just spending like crazy

702
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: on these store credit cards and regular credit cards. But

703
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: then it was the medical debt that did it to

704
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: people horrific. If it's not looking like it was from uh,

705
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, a medical provider on the bankruptcy listing stuff

706
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: that you saw it probably isn't, but that's in my experience.

707
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: What I saw is most people were declaring bankruptcy not

708
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: because of bad spending habits or extravagant living or whatever.

709
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: Like they'd get sick and there either didn't have insurance

710
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: or their insurance wouldn't cover what happened, and they have

711
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: like hundreds of thousand dollars of de Yeah, I know

712
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Like I know even like yeah that today, um,

713
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: people either like they have to set up go fund

714
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: me is or like one big bad medical thing happens

715
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: and you're just done. Yeah. So maybe like he had

716
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff and he put it onto cards.

717
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean, um, the Marshall said

718
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: there were still stacks of unpaid bills on their table

719
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: after he died. It's really sad. So yeah, where did

720
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: that money go? Because it was two d something that well,

721
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is if he's just kind of

722
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: goofing around being a golf pro for a while, maybe

723
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: he's not making money and you can see how I

724
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: can see how you'd burn through it. My Yeah. My

725
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: two theories were one when he was young, in those

726
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: six years before he ended up in Lynnfield, like he

727
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: basically blew it all and we'll never know about it,

728
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: like had a really good time and then save just

729
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: enough to buy the house. Or here's here's the here's

730
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: the cliffhanger. What if he felt really bad about the

731
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: crime and so he buried it and then like on

732
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: his deathbed when he's confessing to his wife, he's also saying, oh,

733
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: and here's where the money, here's where it is. That's

734
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: a cooler version of this. I like that, um, or

735
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, he could have just thrown the trash. He

736
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I feel terrible at having this.

737
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take this bag and shove it. That

738
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: could be too. This guy's a loose candid Yeah. Uh,

739
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: we don't know who who knows in this case? I

740
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: do care, so I'm not gonna use your line. I care,

741
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: but don't care. Um, so not to bring the house down.

742
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: But but the way he dies is through lung cancer.

743
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: And it's pretty bad as it usually is. Uh, he

744
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: was buying a cart in the smoke, so that time,

745
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was rude. And yeah I remember like

746
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: he's been on the lamb for fifty years. No one

747
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: has any clue that Thomas Randell is Teddy Conrad. Yeah,

748
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: the son Marshall Peter Elliott was quoted by the Cleveland

749
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: Plain Dealer in two thousand and eight, so a while

750
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: before they find him. One of the reasons I stayed

751
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: after this guy is that some people thought he was

752
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: some kind of a hero or Robin Hood. He's not.

753
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: He was nothing but a thief, A young, smartass thief

754
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: who managed to elude law enforcement for all these years.

755
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can bring him to justice soon. Oh and

756
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: that's the sun who's carrying don Well, here's the thing

757
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: that you did mention. He's on the lamb for fifty years. Like,

758
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ridiculous to have him declare bankruptcy

759
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: at that point, because that's fifty years is a long

760
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: time to be riding on that cash. Yeah, I think

761
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: it was gone pretty quickly, Okay. And I like your

762
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: idea of that lost six years before he moves to Linfield. Yeah,

763
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know, like other than that he

764
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: was in Boston initially to get his to get a

765
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: Social Security card. You know, he's just he's just you know,

766
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: trapes and a rounds, spending his money on liquor and tarts.

767
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: Maybe he fell into like a cult of some kind

768
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: and donated a bunch of it to them. Yeah yeah uh.

769
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: Or he found like some brotherhood of of Ganja or something. Yes,

770
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: that's another possibility. Um. So. Peter's dad, Deputy Marshall John Elliott,

771
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: did not live to see this case closed. He died

772
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: um and according to the New York Post quote, he

773
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: never stopped searching for Conrad and wanted closure until his death.

774
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: So he was like cheering his son on from the side. Yeah.

775
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: And I know Peter was hitting the case real hard,

776
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: in part because while I was doing my research on

777
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: newspapers dot com, when I got to the original newspaper

778
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: that printed the indictment in nine Elizabeth, guess what I

779
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: found next to it? Oh my god what The article

780
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: had already been clipped by a newspaper dot com user

781
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: named Peter Elliott. The digital foot prints. This is the

782
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: stuff we lived. Oh my god, you're walking in the

783
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: footsteps of heroes. Who would you lose it if you

784
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: were like looking for a story and you saw that

785
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: they clipped something that you were looking at before you Oh,

786
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: most definitely the person in the story. That's what I would,

787
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: I would totally lose it. I thought, you're gonna go

788
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: Anthony keytis Well that I really lose it if it

789
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: was or if yeah, yeah, no it's for Shante. I

790
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: mean that's when I would lose my mind. I feel

791
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: like I didn't give enough of a beat here, Like

792
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: how wild is that? That's yeah that you're what you're

793
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: looking at this and you're watching that the son of

794
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: the man in the article has has clipped it. That's incredible.

795
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: And you also like to think like, oh, the marshals

796
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: have their own like you know, badass databases and stuff. No,

797
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: they also that was some home investigation stuff like that's

798
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: like sitting at home on a Friday night, you know,

799
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: deep and deep in your study of conspiracy string. So

800
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Yeah, so he got his closure. Let's get ours.

801
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: There's a guy off off camera who's like, wrap it up.

802
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: But I have so much good stuff it's so hard

803
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: to know what to cut. I mentioned at the top

804
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: that Teddy confessed to his wife as he lay dying

805
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: he had made a ton of good friends, including some

806
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: in law enforcement, which is brazen as hell, right, but

807
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: his wife kept a secret until after he died. Good

808
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: for her till death do us part legit His friends

809
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: when they found out about all this, they were stunned.

810
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: I think both the lung cancer and the bank robbery.

811
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: They all thought the world of him, so they didn't

812
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: even know that he had lung cancer. He yeah, Wow,

813
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: it's secretive, secretive, proud guy. Yeah, a little sneaky squirrel.

814
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: I pulled some of their recollections from a CBS news piece. Um,

815
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: I'll just read you a couple of these. His former

816
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: co workers at the dealership said they never heard Randall

817
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: say a bad word about any buddy or raise his voice.

818
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: They all said he was the best golfer they ever knew.

819
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: Everyone wanted him on their side when there was a tournament. Uh.

820
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: One of his co workers, Bob van Wert, said he

821
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: wasn't much of a drinker and never put down any

822
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: side bets while playing. I guess those are like the

823
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: marks of of a like mean golf. You're a drunk

824
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: and you're betting on the side. They remember kept it clean,

825
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: he worked clean. Uh. They remembered he could always control

826
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: his emotions and rarely got upset, even on the course

827
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: where he had such a pretty swing that he once

828
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: bested Hall of Fame golfer Johnny Miller at a charity event.

829
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: His former boss remembered a pretty swing, he got a

830
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: real pretty sing. And also Johnny Miller, not actor Johnny

831
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: Lee Miller who has a pretty face, and not Johnny Miller.

832
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: King is that king of the road. Uh, Roger Miller,

833
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: Roger Roger. It's Roger Miller's brother. Matt Kaplan, who is

834
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: his boss and managed two dealerships where he worked golf

835
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: of them every Sunday morning for many years, called him

836
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: the definition of a gentleman. Well, and I quote, the

837
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: only way it makes sense is that at that age

838
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: he was just a kid and it was a challenge

839
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Kaplan said, It's not like he became

840
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: a professional bank robber that we know, right. Uh. And

841
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: then he says, you know, the man was different from

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Speaker 1: the kid, and and we just didn't think he was

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00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: that kind of guy. Uh. Someone else said, you know,

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Speaker 1: all the years I knew Tommy, I never heard him

845
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: mention a sister or a mother, or a brother or

846
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: a father. Everything was kind of generalized. He's like, yes,

847
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: I love my family. And finally, when asked about the

848
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: motive for the robbery. His friend Russell Metcalf, who we

849
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Speaker 1: met in that coffee shop, said it wasn't about the money,

850
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Speaker 1: So is that too cute? By half? It wasn't what

851
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: what was it about? Russell? He said? He was like,

852
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying what he said. He said something like, you know,

853
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: he did it for the thrill. Well, so that's the

854
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: Thomas Crown part of it. I guess that it's not

855
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: about the money. It's just for the action. But it

856
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: doesn't seemed like he felt him in by society, right,

857
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: it was just like I'm aboard you know what. Well,

858
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: it was the part of Thomas Crown that's like, I'm

859
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Speaker 1: a rich bank executive and I don't know how to

860
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Speaker 1: have fun anymore. Yeah, but he's adjacent to that. So

861
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Speaker 1: he's a young bank teller who doesn't know how he

862
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Speaker 1: doesn't know how to have fun anymore. That's right. What

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00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: you call it, t c A, it's the uh so. Yeah,

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00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: instead of the bank executive, he's the bank teller exactly,

865
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: just a little bit off. And instead of personal glasses,

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Speaker 1: he's got ray band glasses. So this brings us to

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Speaker 1: how the case was cracked. It's a little mysterious. There's

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00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: still there's a little mystery here too. Shortly after Randell's

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00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: obituary appeared in local paper Marshall, Peter Elliott got a

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00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: tip that he should read this obituary because it might

871
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: help him was something he's investigating. M Um, I was

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00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: going to read the obituary here, but I'm just gonna

873
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna post it in the instagram. But I'll tell

874
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: you it was the mostly true tale of Theodore Conrad. Uh.

875
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: It listed his parents real names, had the dates off

876
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: by two years, but otherwise it all squared. So Pierre

877
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: Elliot's reading this bills go off in his head. He

878
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: puts it all together, and in order to confirm, he

879
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: pulled the records from the bankruptcy filings in and compared

880
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: the signature to Teddy's college application. Whoa deep dive, it's

881
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: a match. Yeah, things you can't find on newspapers dot com. Right,

882
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 1: So he did some of his own leg work. Dang.

883
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: So the only thing left to do was to follow

884
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: up with Cathy Thomas's wife. She gets a knock on

885
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: the door six months after his death. Thankfully, in this case,

886
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: the Feds were merciful, okay, and she didn't get accessory

887
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: after the fact. No, they confirmed the details with her.

888
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: She's still in mourning and the FEDS decided to drop

889
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: the charges against Randell's slash Conrad. They're like, yeah, what's

890
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: he's dead? So I ask you, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

891
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: My ridiculous takeaway is that every criminal, because I like,

892
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: we look at he has Thomas Crown affair, he's t

893
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: c A adjacent and then Riddon Fight was Michael Man adjacent.

894
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: I think every criminal should have some sort of filmography

895
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: that they're a chase too, just a little off, make it,

896
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: make it fun for us. And I also want to

897
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: go to a bank robbers convention. It seems like it

898
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: worked pretty well, right, like having a having a movie

899
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: be your theme. Like, yeah, so so tell me, Dave,

900
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: what's your ridiculous takeaway? Thank you for asking? No problem.

901
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: I would say, it's interesting to me that he transforms

902
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: from like would be cool dude, coolest dude into a

903
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: local golf pro, luxury car dealer, kind of a herb.

904
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: But well, I don't know a nice guy like you know,

905
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: with all respect to his widow who still lives like

906
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: he seems like a really good dude. Through and through,

907
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: but style wise, you know, it's definitely not what he

908
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: was imagining when he was imagining Steve McQueen. Yeah, very true.

909
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: So my question is is that the price he pays

910
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: for dreaming big and going after that dream to not

911
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: be Steve McQueen. Well, like you get it, like you

912
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: you did the crime, you got away with it, but

913
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: you can't be Steve McQueen because Steve McQueen is deep. Yeah,

914
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: only Steve McQueen, Steve McQueen or Steve McQueen the film

915
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: director can be Steve Steve. That's right. There are but

916
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: two and maybe the Faustian bargain is like you can

917
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: do cool things, but you can't be cool. You're gonna

918
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: have to be kind of a nerd. Yeah, well, you

919
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: can't just decide you're gonna do cool stuff and it'll

920
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: make you cool. You just have to be cool, you know.

921
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: It's Yeah, it's not a can't be that that constructed

922
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, in order to sad, you have to start

923
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: gold exact to bring it back to has poseful and

924
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: h The second ridiculous takeaway I have is and we've

925
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: you know, there's this Bob Dylan lyric. We've discussed before

926
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: offline from Absolutely Swee Marie off of Blonde and Blonde,

927
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: which came out of nineteen sixty six, so Teddy could

928
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: have heard it. The line is to live outside the law,

929
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: you must be honest. Yep, exactly, And wherever his erin

930
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: is again, I know he's kicking himself because this was

931
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: like a part of his upbringing. Now, Bob Dylan was

932
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: a legendary trickster, and it's hard to know so often

933
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: whether his lyrics are profound or if they're totally empty

934
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: of meaning, just sounding smart and deep but actually or

935
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: that he played characters he played. He definitely played characters.

936
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: But this one kind of sticks with you. I think,

937
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it definitely does. So Elizabeth, in this story,

938
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: do we have a one time criminal who went on

939
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: to live an honest life outside the law and got

940
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: it done? I would say yes, yeah, right, Like he

941
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: left his old identity behind. He never spoke to his

942
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: family again, he never told anyone anything meaningful about his past.

943
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: It's like he followed the ten Crack commandments and good

944
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: on you, Good on Teddy. And other than racking up

945
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: massive consumer debts, he seems to have lived very much

946
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: by the book. Yeah, and his past never caught up

947
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: with him. So maybe that's good advice from old Bob exactly.

948
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: I love it. Well, that's it from here. Finally, I

949
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: am Zaren Burnett. Well kind of, you're Zarin Burnetta. Jason,

950
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm Elizabeth Dutton. I guess you're more Zaren Burnette than

951
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: I am, but we're all. Everyone's got a little Zaren

952
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,839
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953
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955
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957
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961
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