WEBVTT - Unsuspecting Friday Orbit: Among Us

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<v Speaker 1>Three two one zero all engine running lift off.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a lift off.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the UFO Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, I have Ty Hildebrand. He is Dan Rubinstein. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the solid verbal. It's our Friday UFO show today,

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<v Speaker 2>the Unsuspecting Friday Orbit Daniel, which we'll explain in a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Sir, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty good? I showered, cleared the mind, feeling focused

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<v Speaker 1>and centered. We're recording the UFO Show and then that's

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon subscribers that can be found at verballers dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>But really feeling quite good, Ty, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it is, but because you came up with this fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>theme for the UFO Show, because the questions are really

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<v Speaker 1>inspiring a bunch inside of my brain for the brune.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you are you see that. I have so much

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<v Speaker 1>excitement that the pop filter keeps moving on my micro flooring,

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<v Speaker 1>so much electricity. Okay, so yeah, quite excited for this recording, Sash.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna drink beer and go places, right, is that

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening on the Brune every week. We're drinking beer

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<v Speaker 1>and going places.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what we do. That is what we do.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got my Soliverble pint glass here, which I will

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<v Speaker 2>brandish proudly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Same. All I'm gonna say about the Bruine is it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a bigger, better, more open and thorough Tie

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<v Speaker 1>hilden Brand.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. I think that's right. Then you get on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's right. Uh. Soliverble dot com is our website.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where you can subscribe to the show. Also the newsletter.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a YouTube channel where we post some of the clips.

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<v Speaker 2>We obviously post larger ones on the Patreon feed. Why

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<v Speaker 2>don't we jump into news? Okay, the last breaking news

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<v Speaker 2>drop that we did took a little bit out of

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<v Speaker 2>the voice. Boop boop boop.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Hey hey what was Carol Baskin say?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>I like cool cats and kittens?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey all you have cool cats? And kittens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for breaking news. Boo boop.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we've got what is it, fifteen more

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<v Speaker 2>games that have been canceled or postponed this week. As

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<v Speaker 2>per usual, now, it's just kind of the table stakes

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<v Speaker 2>we go on out there. We do our preview show,

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<v Speaker 2>it drops on a Wednesday morning at six am Eastern,

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<v Speaker 2>and we just sort of expect that along the way

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<v Speaker 2>there will be announcements. There could be some additional announcements

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<v Speaker 2>before the end of this recording. But here's what we got.

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<v Speaker 2>Games that have been canceled or postponed. Ole miss at

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<v Speaker 2>Texas A and m Georgia Tech at Miami, Charlotte at Marshall,

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<v Speaker 2>Texas at Kansas Central, Arkansas at Louisiana. We've got wake

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<v Speaker 2>Forest at Duke Arizona State at Colorado, Houston at SMU,

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<v Speaker 2>Navy at South Florida, Ohio at Miami Ohio, Utah State

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<v Speaker 2>at Wyoming, UAB at UTEP, Louisiana, Monroe at Louisiana Tech,

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<v Speaker 2>you NLV at Colorado State, and recently Michigan State at

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<v Speaker 2>Maryland as Mike Loxley has reportedly tested positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of I believed twenty three positive tests. In

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<v Speaker 1>the past week or two. So Maryland is certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>in a good spot with regard to positive.

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<v Speaker 2>Testing, not trending in a great direction. This was much

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<v Speaker 2>the case a week go. Hopefully there aren't more games

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<v Speaker 2>that are added onto this list because it's already quite lengthy.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's only Thursday right now at time

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<v Speaker 2>of recording, so there's plenty of time for things to

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<v Speaker 2>go sideways in a few of the other contests.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hopefully it doesn't. But yeah, last week was fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>We're at fifteen right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, That is correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, And so we've got half of Thursday and

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<v Speaker 1>all of Friday and perhaps into Saturday for more. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>the number is zero moving forward. Also notable JT.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniels. You may remember that name. He transferred over to

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia from USC. He got hurt last year at USC,

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't play, transferred over, got immediate eligibility with Georgia. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been waiting for a while for him to be cleared

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<v Speaker 2>medically to actually go out there and play on a Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>And clearly we've talked a lot about Stetson Bennett and

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<v Speaker 2>Dwan Mathis and the quarterback and more broadly the offensive

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<v Speaker 2>situation at Georgia. Jamie Newman opting out for sure, Jamie

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<v Speaker 2>Newman Right, it's been a bit of a revolving door

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<v Speaker 2>at the quarterback spot for Kirby Smart. JT. Daniels is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be getting to start this Saturday evening in

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<v Speaker 2>Sanford Stadium against Mississippi State. So this much awaited arrival

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<v Speaker 2>of JT. Daniels is set to begin. We'll have to

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<v Speaker 2>see if he gives them anything more at the quarterback spot.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he will. I know you and I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of disagree to what extent we should be excited about

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<v Speaker 2>what we already know of JT. Daniels at USC But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's I think a good time for Georgia to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to trot somebody else out there, because that quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>spot in particular has definitely been a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>pain point over the last couple weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I suppose if he looked incredible in practice

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<v Speaker 1>after the Alabama game before a bye week before Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>then we probably would have seen him then. Incredible physically

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<v Speaker 1>and incredible in terms of picking up the offense. I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine it's more physical than the latter with regard to

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<v Speaker 1>why we haven't seen him yet with some of Stetson

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<v Speaker 1>Bennett's struggles. There are four games left. Obviously this year

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<v Speaker 1>does not count eligibility wise to anybody who doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>it to count for them. So that's not a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a red shirt deal like it would be having those

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<v Speaker 1>four four game maximum under his belt. So I'm hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>that they Georgia has just reached a point where they

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<v Speaker 1>are ready to see JT. Daniels and he has reached

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<v Speaker 1>a point physically where you know, he looks good and

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<v Speaker 1>ready to close out these these last four regular season

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<v Speaker 1>games for the Dogs. So hoping to see a little

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<v Speaker 1>more spark from this Dog offense.

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<v Speaker 2>And speaking of the quarterback position, our final news tidbit here,

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<v Speaker 2>Florida State is likely going to start Jordan Travis at

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback against Clemson, and that's because Chubb A. Purdy had

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<v Speaker 2>season ending surgery dan so it was on his collar bone.

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<v Speaker 2>He broke it during a preseason scrimmage and aggravated it

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<v Speaker 2>during the game this past Saturday against NC State. He

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<v Speaker 2>underwent surgery for the original injury, and apparently he was

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<v Speaker 2>always going to need a follow up procedure to remove

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<v Speaker 2>a plate and some screws, but that surgery was obviously

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<v Speaker 2>expedited because of what went down this past week. So

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<v Speaker 2>sucks that he's not going to be out there, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to some extent, this was at least an

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<v Speaker 2>expected procedure for him.

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<v Speaker 1>If he is the future, protect your future. No point

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<v Speaker 1>in him gutting something out for the rest of Florida

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<v Speaker 1>State season.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, that is all I have, Dan, Do you

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<v Speaker 2>have anything further, No.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's all that's worthwhile to talk about. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>we will have something out, but there's always online to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it further. So I think we move forward

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<v Speaker 1>with our game unsuspecting Friday Orbit.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you familiar with the online game among Us before today? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't among us. So today's game is based, however,

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<v Speaker 2>loosely on the popular online game among Us. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>fun game. It costs like five bucks. It's gained a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of popularity in the age of COVID, where people

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<v Speaker 2>are trapped inside and playing more virtual games and connecting

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<v Speaker 2>online than ever before. In this game, it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those deals where you're all in a space capsule spaceship

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<v Speaker 2>and one in some cases two of your crewmates have

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<v Speaker 2>been replaced by parasitic shape shifters. Daniel m hm.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Their goal is to eliminate the rest of the crew

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<v Speaker 2>before the ship reaches home. The impostor or posteurs will

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<v Speaker 2>sabotage the ship. They'll sneak through events, they'll deceive, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>frame others to remain anonymous.

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<v Speaker 1>And kill off the crew intentionally, morbid dark.

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<v Speaker 2>It is twenty twenty here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>We are playing a modified version of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how does it go?

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<v Speaker 2>In our version? I'm going to talk about four ships

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<v Speaker 2>of college football coaches. One coach on each ship is

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<v Speaker 2>secretly destroying their respective football program, not necessarily the others

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<v Speaker 2>on the ship. It's a brotherhood, this coaching rank.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is it's a squadron of ships, and

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<v Speaker 1>we need to figure out which captain is sabotaging. Is traitorous?

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<v Speaker 1>Is treasonous? Is subverting the goals of the ship for

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<v Speaker 1>his own game.

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<v Speaker 2>To some extent? Yeah, except it's not so much a

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<v Speaker 2>crime against the other coaches on the ship. It's really

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<v Speaker 2>against their respective program.

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<v Speaker 1>You get the true, right, So we're figuring out which

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<v Speaker 1>ship is being subverted.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're figuring out who on each ship is secretly

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<v Speaker 2>destroying their football program. All right, so here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to ship number one. Here are the crew

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<v Speaker 2>members on ship number one. Dan, We've got Jim Harbaugh

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<v Speaker 2>coach of Michigan, Justin Foo and Ta Foo and Ta

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<v Speaker 2>coach of Virginia Tech, Dana Holgerson of Houston, and David

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<v Speaker 2>Cutcliffe of dh whoa David Cutcliffe of Duke.

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<v Speaker 1>So I need to figure out or we need to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out which of these four. So Jim Harbor as

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<v Speaker 1>it relates to Michigan, Justin Fan, is it relates to

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Tech, Dana Holgerson as it relates to Houston, David

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<v Speaker 1>Cutcliffe as it relates to Duke, who is working against

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<v Speaker 1>their own team? Among these four.

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<v Speaker 2>Coaches, that is correct, who is most working against their

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<v Speaker 2>own So it's not Jim Harbaugh trying to murder Dana

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<v Speaker 2>Holgerson or versa. I don't think they would get along

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<v Speaker 2>to you weirdly, yes, weirdly yes, like I think it

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<v Speaker 2>would be. I think the road trip would start out

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<v Speaker 2>awkwardly and with a little bit of bitterness at the

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<v Speaker 2>first rest stop, but then they'd be singing like Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Farley and Tommy Boy with David Spade. Yeah, that's where

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're going with this. Okay, anyway, so are

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<v Speaker 2>we each waging in.

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it just me?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a conversation, Dan, Okay, it's a conversation. So

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<v Speaker 2>here's the lay of the land here. The hardball thing

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<v Speaker 2>is well documented in the national media, among Michigan media,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly among the two of us on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't talked a whole lot about Fuente, Holgerson and Cutcliff.

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<v Speaker 2>I think cut Cliff's are really tough sell here because

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<v Speaker 2>it's Duke.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's the best modern duke coach, without a doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>best modern duke coach, without a doubt. The program has stalled.

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<v Speaker 2>It has stalled, and if anything, has gone a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit in the wrong direction. But still, relatively speaking, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's a situation where what Cutcliff's doing is

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<v Speaker 2>actively bringing Duke down. So I think that narrows the

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<v Speaker 2>field to Harbaugh, Fiuente and Holgerson. Dan, does it make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they go what five and seven last year? They're

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<v Speaker 1>not playing well at the moment, but before that seven, six,

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<v Speaker 1>eight and five they had you know, a ten win

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<v Speaker 1>season twenty thirteen, nine eight, So they're like, these are

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<v Speaker 1>including bulls. So yeah, I could see why you would

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<v Speaker 1>think it's headed in the wrong direction. But it's Duke.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still Duke of the remaining three yea who's actions

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<v Speaker 2>as head coach are most actively bringing down their program.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think Jim Harbaugh's is intentional, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think. I mean, I don't think anybody's intentionally really,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if there is a crime with Jim Harba,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a crime of passion. He loves Michigan football too

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<v Speaker 1>much to let it go to the hands of anybody else,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's destroying it from with it. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's Harbaugh. I don't think it's twenty. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's Holgerson. I think the whole red shirting debacle last year,

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<v Speaker 1>where after the slow start and the injuries and the transfer, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that decision and we saw reports of a

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<v Speaker 1>chasm I think between Dana Holgerson and the players pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>There were reports, I think from a couple offensive linemen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would be the move right there. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if I were to put this game on any

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<v Speaker 1>of these coaches right now. I have it on Dana

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<v Speaker 1>Holgerson that he is a captain without a plan and

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<v Speaker 1>that's actively working to disrupt the well being of his ship.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we feel about so I agree with you

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<v Speaker 2>that Holgerson's probably the answer here. How do we feel

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<v Speaker 2>about Flente? You know, we haven't talked a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>about Virginia Tech this year because, yeah, it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>weird year. They're what four and four now overall. Fuente's

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<v Speaker 2>first season was ten and four overall, won the Coastal,

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<v Speaker 2>won the Belk Bowl. Seemed like things were going in

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<v Speaker 2>a good direction. But since then it's been kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a slow drip. Nine and four the next year, second

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<v Speaker 2>in the Coastal lost the bowl game. Twenty eighteen, six

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<v Speaker 2>and seven overall, third in the Coastal lost the bowl game.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year eight and five, second in the Coastal lost

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<v Speaker 2>the Belk Bowl. Yep, who knows what we make of

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<v Speaker 2>this year? Who knows where they finish in the ACC

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<v Speaker 2>as a whole, right, I mean, to some extent we

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<v Speaker 2>throw all the records out, literally the window in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, there's a lot of discontent. I think

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<v Speaker 2>in the Virginia Tech universe because it's tough to follow

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<v Speaker 2>a legend. It's tough to follow up Frank Beemer, who

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<v Speaker 2>had a ton success in Blacksburg for so long, and

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<v Speaker 2>outside of Hendon Hooker, I know, I've compared Virginia Tech

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<v Speaker 2>a bit to kind of like the Northeastern TCU. There's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of that feel of inconsistency and treading water there.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure is it fair to even put Fuente on this ship? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean with the direction of the defense, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is improving and will improve. But of course he

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<v Speaker 1>keeps Bud Foster on and so there's the continuity thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if it fully became his program

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<v Speaker 1>until Bud Foster retired. So yes, the answer is yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because of the loss is the way, the spectacular ways

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<v Speaker 1>in which Virginia Tech loses, that preparation, those in game adjustments,

0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.600
<v Speaker 1>those in game decisions. What losing by Liberty it's a

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<v Speaker 1>three point game. They lose by Miami, it's a one

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<v Speaker 1>point game. The North Carolina game was wild. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they came back and then North Carolina had to score

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of points. Other than that North Carolina game,

0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.000
<v Speaker 1>their win expectancy was in the positive for the other

0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.640
<v Speaker 1>three losses. They should have beaten Wake, they should have

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<v Speaker 1>beaten Liberty, and they should have beaten Miami. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the in game element of Justin Fuente on this list

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<v Speaker 1>actually makes some sense.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. So our answer then is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>Dana Holgerson.

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<v Speaker 1>Dana Holgerson, yep, oh, Mary morbid, it's just the slow

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<v Speaker 1>drum beat of horror.

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<v Speaker 2>Dana Holgerson on Ship one.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got so is that somebody beating the parasite with

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<v Speaker 1>a metal I instrument?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think that was the parasite murdering one of

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<v Speaker 2>the non parasites with some.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of instrument. Wow, Okay, alright, p Clayton too. And

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<v Speaker 1>I guess look, we're all big boys here, Dan, I

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<v Speaker 1>cast we're all big boys in twenty twenty is dark

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<v Speaker 1>ear okay, Chumber two, don't care what you're into, doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all dark. Okay, steer into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Ship two Gus Malson from Auburn, Scott Frost of Nebraska,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Someone Arizona, and Gary Patterson of TCU. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a very tough ship, very tough ship to try and

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<v Speaker 2>figure out Dan, which of these coaches again, is either

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<v Speaker 2>on purpose I hope not on purpose, or yeah, not

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<v Speaker 2>on purpose bringing down their program more than the others.

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<v Speaker 2>Any thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, Kevin, someone's heart is in it enough

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<v Speaker 1>to give the effort to thoroughly take down Arizona. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a guest from Afar. I don't know. You have to

0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.719
<v Speaker 1>be a motivated parasite, right, you have to have some

0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:57.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of motivation here. The interesting question to me is

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<v Speaker 1>not which of these coaches is actively try trying to

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<v Speaker 1>subvert their program and is that militaristic, murderous parasite from within,

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<v Speaker 1>but who of these coaches, Gus Malson, Scott Frost, Gary

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson is doing the most damage to the mental health

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<v Speaker 1>and wellbeing of their team's fan bases.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this look, this is open to interpretation.

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<v Speaker 1>Open to interpretation, Dan, Yeah, that's where I'd like to go,

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<v Speaker 1>because to accuse somebody of mutinous behavior is that's heavy,

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<v Speaker 1>even for twenty twenty, even if it's even if it's

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<v Speaker 1>by accident, that's true, right, Like we're just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>not people who wish to do harm to their programs,

0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.439
<v Speaker 1>with people who are doing harm without knowing it. So

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<v Speaker 1>between Gary Patterson and the almost no offensive evolution and

0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.480
<v Speaker 1>momentum forward these past few years. Scott Frost, who with

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<v Speaker 1>now years and years into his tenure, what we're three

0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.560
<v Speaker 1>years in now doesn't seem all that different. And the

0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.840
<v Speaker 1>ways that they've lost Nebraska have been both spectacular and

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<v Speaker 1>heartbreaking because it's been in the last second and also

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<v Speaker 1>just not competitive at all. And then Gus Malson just

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<v Speaker 1>anytime you think Auburn's really good, they just look awful

0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:22.399
<v Speaker 1>and vice versa. I'm gonna say Gus Malson. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say Gus because the hope that Auburn gives its fan

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<v Speaker 1>base at multiple times these past few years, Iron Bowl wins,

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<v Speaker 1>NFL draft picks, recruiting classes, they're on a level that

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<v Speaker 1>Nebraska and TCU are not. So I'm gonna say what

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<v Speaker 1>Gus Malson has done in weaponizing hope is ultimately is

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately the most violent emotional harm anybody has done to

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<v Speaker 1>a fan base. Of these three coaches.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Malson's got be the answer. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's got to be the answer. When

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<v Speaker 2>I look at these four, I said it's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be malas On. I don't know how like you can't

0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:12.399
<v Speaker 2>blame Scott Frost. Scott Frost is starting from a different point,

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.639
<v Speaker 2>and I do believe that if given enough time, he

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<v Speaker 2>can build it up. But it's gonna take some time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna take some time. Kevin Someone, Look, Kevin Someone,

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<v Speaker 2>does not feel all that different to me at Arizona

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<v Speaker 2>than he did at A and M. He had better

0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:33.040
<v Speaker 2>players at A and.

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<v Speaker 1>M, right hired some of the same assistants, some.

0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Of the same assistants. Feels basically like the exact same

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<v Speaker 2>like outcome here, and so if that's not long for Tucson,

0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.639
<v Speaker 2>that would compute for me. But I just think it

0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:54.400
<v Speaker 2>is who he is. He's not doing anything different, and

0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.959
<v Speaker 2>Arizona signed up for it. They just knew what they

0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:03.800
<v Speaker 2>were getting. The Gary Patterson is interesting. Patterson, if you've

0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.760
<v Speaker 2>seen him on any of the ESPN Film Room broadcasts

0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.320
<v Speaker 2>during the National Championship, is he's like a football savant.

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.640
<v Speaker 2>He's dominated him, he dominates him. He doesn't shut up,

0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.199
<v Speaker 2>but he knows what he's talking about. He's a good coach.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great watch. If anything, he's he's a little

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<v Speaker 2>intimidating just as a football presence. When he's on those

0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:30.080
<v Speaker 2>broadcasts because he knows so damn much. But it does

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.200
<v Speaker 2>feel like we've gotten to a point with TCU where

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps that Virginia Tech slash TCU comparison holds, because there

0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.399
<v Speaker 2>is a there's a treading water type of feel to

0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:47.480
<v Speaker 2>this program, especially on offense. Especially on offense now Max

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.439
<v Speaker 2>Duggan has been a bit of a revelation. It's just

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.000
<v Speaker 2>been kind of disappointing that they haven't really been able

0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.439
<v Speaker 2>to build up a whole lot around him. Defense is

0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.000
<v Speaker 2>always solid, but you do have to wonder a little

0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.240
<v Speaker 2>bit if there's some sort of stubbornness or some sort

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.600
<v Speaker 2>of quality there that is preventing them from getting to

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the next level offensively, even though presumably they've they tried

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:10.840
<v Speaker 2>to get the band back together on offense right with

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.400
<v Speaker 2>their hirings, and you know they're trying to really get

0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:18.240
<v Speaker 2>this thing going. It just hasn't quite materialized. So I

0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.000
<v Speaker 2>think you could make a case for Patterson, but I

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:24.199
<v Speaker 2>think the Malson answer is just too compelling, especially if

0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.879
<v Speaker 2>you want to frame it as someone who's trying to

0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:30.639
<v Speaker 2>do harm to the fan base, either intentionally or not.

0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:36.200
<v Speaker 2>The whole will they won't they complex of Auburn being

0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.800
<v Speaker 2>good year in and year out is frustrating for us frankly,

0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.120
<v Speaker 2>as like podcast hosts, not even Sharburn fans per se.

0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 2>So eventually, one of these days that ride will be

0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.199
<v Speaker 2>over for Melson, but it will probably be when you

0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.479
<v Speaker 2>least expect it because he's been here before. I know,

0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.720
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about it at nauseum about ah, this is

0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.880
<v Speaker 2>going to be it for Melson, and it doesn't seem

0:22:59.920 --> 0:23:02.560
<v Speaker 2>like it ever is. So one of these days it'll

0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 2>catch up to him. It just hasn't yet and probably

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 2>won't in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that the Patterson thing is more just

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the ship needs repairs. We need engineers to look at

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the thrusters. What should we do. He's like, ah, I

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 1>got it, I know what's going on here. And he's

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.359
<v Speaker 1>not very good at diagnosing offensive issues and finding the

0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:27.240
<v Speaker 1>engineers and mechanics to diagnose everything on the ship. And

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a problem.

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Our answer here than is Gus Malson, Right.

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Gus Mileson absolutely has weaponizing.

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Hope gets dark. That's quite the sound effect, isn't.

0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 1>It, And really cuts cuts pretty deep.

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Tie Ship number three m clay Helton USC, David Shaw Stanford,

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Mike Leach new Hire at Mississippi State, Sure, Dave Dorin

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.639
<v Speaker 2>at NC State. So we could go a number of

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 2>different directions here, But who's doing harm to their program

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.360
<v Speaker 2>without knowing it? Who is doing harm to the fan

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 2>base without knowing it? Maybe without trying? There are a

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:15.880
<v Speaker 2>couple names on this list that I think are compelling.

0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 2>So the Mike Leach one, I think is somewhat obvious

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.199
<v Speaker 2>because whenever Leach is out of place for an extended

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.440
<v Speaker 2>period of time, it seems he wears out as welcome.

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Where's out as welcome? Happened at Texas Tech, obviously at Tech,

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:35.920
<v Speaker 2>happened a bit at Wazoo. The early going in Starkville

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 2>has not been great, but no to say, well, the

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 2>early early going was amazing. The early early going the

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:47.520
<v Speaker 2>first week, yeah, incredible. But since then I left a

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit to be desired.

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Just got awful. Yeah.

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.120
<v Speaker 2>The Clay Helton answer, I think is one that Look,

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:57.840
<v Speaker 2>if you read the description for this show, if you've

0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 2>listened to the first two ships, you knew Clayhilton coming.

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.880
<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk more about Clay Helton. Right, Let's

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>talk about David Shaw, though, let's talk about David Shaw.

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Stanford has very notably taken a step back, then, very

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 2>notably taken a step back. Is that because of Shaw?

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Is that because of talent? Is it because Shaw not

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 2>getting the right talent or the right coaches? What is

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 2>going on at Stanford? How much of that do we

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 2>place on Shaw?

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, they had a bunch of transfers this year, a

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>bunch of seniors transferred out. I think because they didn't

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>get into grad school at Stanford. I think things shifted

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 1>in the way that admissions worked there. So their depth

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>has taken a hit. They've missed on a couple quarterbacks

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:46.400
<v Speaker 1>basically since Kevin Hogan and Well regarded highly recruited quarterbacks,

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:51.160
<v Speaker 1>four or five star guys. And defensively, the talent hasn't

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 1>been there like it was seven nine years ago. They have,

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, this linebacker's good, or this corner is really good,

0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.160
<v Speaker 1>or this safety's good. There's NFL level talent on that defense.

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 1>But it's just the depth isn't there. And so that's recruiting,

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 1>that's evaluation, that's development, that is assistant hires. And so

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 1>I think David Shaw sort of falls under the Gary

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Patterson element to me where still is well regarded for

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 1>good reason. Everybody likes David Shaw. He's smart, he's thoughtful.

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.360
<v Speaker 1>He has by and large succeeded at a place that's

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 1>pretty difficult to succeed at in Stanford. As great a

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:29.479
<v Speaker 1>school as it is, as you know, great a location

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>weatherwise and everything like that as Stanford is.

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>It's tough there.

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 1>It's tough to attract assistance, cost of living super high.

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I get it, but I don't think he is. I

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>don't think he has that switch where what he's doing

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.879
<v Speaker 1>is so actively working against the program. I wish he

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 1>would be a little bit more aggressive on offense with

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 1>play calling and you still, you know, far far too

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:57.440
<v Speaker 1>conservative for me in what Stanford needs. Dave Dorn n

0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>C State's having a nice enough year, a nice enough

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 1>bounce back. I don't love their staff, and especially on

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 1>the offensive side. You know, Hirington back is never an

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:09.199
<v Speaker 1>excitement thing for me. But has NC State lost to

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>anybody they shouldn't have this year, Like given the depths

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>where the Wolfpack were last year, I guess maybe you

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>can argue Pitt with some of the lows of Pitt,

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 1>but they lost to Kenny Pickett, I believe, and they

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>lost by a point on the road. They beat Virginia,

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>they beat Duke. They lose to North Carolina, which fine,

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>you can give up fifty North Carolina. A lot of

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.880
<v Speaker 1>teams are in North Carolina's just better than NC State.

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>And I know n C State was at a much

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>better point three four five years ago, but even still,

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>they had a really an incredible shot to beat Miami.

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>They just beat Florida State. In retrospect, the win over

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Wake Forest looks better than perhaps it did early on.

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 1>And yes, you lose to Virginia Tech, that's fine. We're

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about losses till at top thirty, top forty schools.

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>NC State is squarely an average to maybe above average

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>team in the ACC. Yeah, and guess called Dave dorn

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>for as a saboteur in this situation.

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Situation, Guess what had he not gotten hurt, Devin Leary

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 2>probably would have been there. They're star quarterback this year

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 2>he had.

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Probably it's Miami.

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a pretty impressive showing. The Bailey Hawkman's been fine

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 2>the early going. But Hawkman has been fine. Yeah, he

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 2>has been fine, So I agree with you. I don't

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 2>think it's Dave Dran. I don't think it's David Shaw,

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 2>But let's talk about Clay Helton. Clay Helton. If you

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 2>go on out to any website that tries to track

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 2>coaches on the hot seat, you're going to find Clay Helton,

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>if not at number one, at least in the top three,

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 2>top five. He just has to be there because USC

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 2>is never void of talent. They've always got it. They're

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 2>in a fertile part of the country. When it comes

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 2>to recruiting, it's a program that sort of recruits itself

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 2>and at least in the early going, I think so

0:28:57.880 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you would know better than me, but they've never had

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 2>probably getting football players to go to USC didn't recruit.

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 1>It took a year off of recruiting itself. Yeah. Uh,

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>down to Coronado Island.

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>It's it's a wonder that we're in twenty twenty talking

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>about Clay Heilton. This is another guy who was reportedly

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>getting fired a handful of times and still hasn't don't

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 2>know if it's going to happen in twenty twenty given

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the climate, but it does not feel like he is

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 2>long for USC. The question I guess would be USC

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 2>twelfth out of twelve.

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:34.719
<v Speaker 1>In the class of twenty twenty. In the PAC twelve

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 1>twelfth only twelve commitments two Blue Chips out of those twelve.

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>The question that I have is is Clay Helton doing

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 2>anything more wrong than any of his predecessors, Like, is

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 2>he worse than the last guy? Is he doing something

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that is actively dragging this program?

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I think the anger among USC fans, if we're gonna

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>look at the fan base, is more with the administration.

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't think people fault USC for making the

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>decision to hire Clay Helton given the success he had

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>as an interim coach, but given the extension I believe

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>after the Rose Bowl. Maybe that's wrong, but I'm going

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 1>to put it out in the universe anyway. I'll look

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>it up as I'm talking. And the opportunity to replace

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>him with somebody that fans felt would do a better

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>job at USC and the administration not doing that, be

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 1>it for financial or otherwise reasons. I don't hold it

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 1>against Clay Helton. I think it's more of the like,

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 1>remember somebody tweeting CJ McCollum to like, win a playoff

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>series before you can talk or something like that, right,

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>And CJ McCollum tweeted back, I mean we love CJ.

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>McCom He's Lee high right, Yep, I'm trying, Jennifer. I

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>feel like Clay Helton is squarely in the I'm trying

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer mode. He really is trying. He's just the Clay

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Healthlton ship doesn't have the thrusters. It doesn't. It just doesn't.

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to go with Leech here. I think

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go with the arrogance of Leech, the public

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>behavior of Leech, the sort of self awareness about the

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Mike Leach brand above all else about him, the disconnect

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>with the Mississippi state culture upon arriving in Starkville. I'm

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna go Leech here.

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Don't hold back, man, tell us what you really think. Yeah,

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I think that's an easy one. I think it is, too,

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 2>because do you see players just full on bailing. There's like, nah,

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm done full on bailing. Yeah, Dorin, Shaw and Hilton

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>are all trying their best. They're trying their best, and

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think in at least two of those cases,

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 2>it's a tough place to win. The Clay Hilton thing,

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that ship's been taking on water for a while, not

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.479
<v Speaker 2>to mix our metaphors here being an outer space and all.

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>But you know that's not necessarily news. The Leech thing

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 2>came in, and it's caught a lot of people by

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 2>surprise when he took that job, and obviously caught the

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>sec by surprise with kJ Costello throwing for a record

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 2>amount of yardage in week one, and then things have

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>really gone sideways.

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Do you hear a giant mower outside?

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 2>It's that time of the week again, isn't it.

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>That time of the week. Absolutely was. I was so hopeful.

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready with song to essentially celebrate you saying Clay

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Helton is a nice guy. Everybody says Clail is a

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 1>nice guy, and you didn't do it. But I'm so

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>upset because I was ready with a song.

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing is dan about Clay Helton. Everybody says

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm a nice guy. You know.

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we didn't do a fantasy thing this year

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>because it's just you. You control a fantasy thing about

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Clay Helton is a.

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Nice It's true, It's true.

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, Yeah, I was ready.

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Leech is our thanks are here. Just get this out

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 2>of our system. Have to do it, man, Oh my God,

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 2>it's going to haunt your dreams brutal. The last ship

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>this is, I think the hardest Tom Herman. Tom Herm

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 2>immediately selected somebody Chip Kelly at UCLA, Jeremy Pruett at Tennessee,

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and Dino Babers at Syracuse Dan. I don't think there's

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>an obvious answer here. Again, who is either knowingly or

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 2>unknowingly bringing their own program down, knowingly or unknowingly putting

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>their fan base through undue anguish? Who is your eye

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>drawn to here, Charles chip Kelly? Really why the recruiting thing?

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>UCLA is not a difficult place to recruit too. Yes,

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 2>there are academic standards, but they have long recruited very,

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 2>very well in Southern California. I like to make the argument, though,

0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>that some Southern California talent is wildly overrated for whatever reason,

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 2>just because everybody wants Southern California players to be really good.

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.479
<v Speaker 2>Where the culture of high school football isn't necessarily robust

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 2>enough to produce as much blue chip talent as people

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 2>perceive it to produce. I think what Tom Herman has

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 2>attempted to do is hires have not always been on point.

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about beck Meyer syndrome. I think he is

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>turning over every rock. I think he really is trying.

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think his actions point to something so egregiously wrong.

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't look like it's fully working out, that his

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 1>decisions haven't worked out. Same with Jeremy Pruitt. Although the

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>recruiting is there, some of the improvement is obvious. Some

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>of it it just look at twenty twenty isn't as obvious.

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 1>But the defense isn't the problem in Tennessee largely. They've

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>got guys on defense. They recruited the offensive line pretty well.

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Dino Babers. That's just a tough job. He did a

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>good job with the players he inherited. I mean, the

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 1>quarterback injuries have been brutal. Offensive line injuries have been brutal,

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and I you know, I don't know if there's a

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 1>reason that we can point to so many injuries and

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>so much dumb luck with Syracuse. But I don't think

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:10.800
<v Speaker 1>it's Babors. I think he's a totally good coach. I

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know if he's worth having a conversation about as

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 1>an upper power five level candidate like he has been

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 1>these past couple of years. But I think he's fine

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:26.399
<v Speaker 1>chip though with the recruiting he's done at UCLA. I'm

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>never a huge fan of building hope around a guy

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>who is on his way down, and like it or not,

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>the reality is, you go up to Philly and then

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>things go downhill. It in Philly, go to San Francisco.

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>It was just not going to work out in San Francisco.

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>He's only there for a year, the ownership and he

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.479
<v Speaker 1>apparently didn't get along, and so he takes a year off.

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, well, I like the West Coast, and

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>UCLA is you can you can bring talent there, and

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>the Pac twelve is pretty winnable, and I think he

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 1>is it appears to be. And listen, nobody loves the

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 1>Heights of Charles ship Kelly more than I. But his

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 1>tenure at UCLA points to I don't know if it's arrogance.

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's just a stubbornness of like,

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>this is how I succeeded at Oregon, this is how

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 1>we will succeed at UCLA. And to not recruit on

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a level fitting of the Bruins and expecting to outperform

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 1>the talent you bring in, I don't know it just

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.880
<v Speaker 1>strikes me as working against the program and working against

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the ceiling of the program, which Jim Mora was a

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:38.399
<v Speaker 1>totally good coach. At his best, Ucla was a competitive team.

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Ucla filed it some you know, some years it was

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 1>an incredible defense. Some years it was you know, I

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 1>remember those Paul Perkins offenses. Brett Hunley. I just UCLA

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>should always be an eight ish win caliber team, and

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 1>they're just not, and they haven't looked anywhere near it

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>years years now into Chip Kelly's tenure.

0:36:56.239 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 2>There counterpoint counterpoint to Herman.

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, give me the answer for Herman.

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I have any answers on this ship.

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if any of them are Well.

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 1>If you're firing two coordinators the same year, that's on

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>you that you hired coordinators, that we're we're both not

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>working out and both not taking the program in a

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 1>direction that matches your vision.

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 2>If you truly want to pivot and talk about the

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 2>effect on a fan base, the Herman angle is interesting

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>to me, you know, like I think if you look

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>at Baber's there's not really a fan base angle there

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 2>with Syracuse. There are Syracuse people who listen to this show,

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.840
<v Speaker 2>but you know, the Texas fan base is much more notable.

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 2>The Jeremy Pruett angle is interesting. I think there's a

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 2>recognition among the Vols base that there's a deficiency at

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 2>quarterback that they need to solve. They haven't yet, but

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>it does feel like the Allen has gotten better and

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the team as a whole, the depth and whatnot is

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 2>it's getting there. Chip Kelly, Ucla that fan base. You

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 2>could tell me probably better than anyone about the UCLA

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 2>fan base. I don't know if it's quite as hungry

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 2>for a national championship or even a nine win season

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 2>as they are in Texas.

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I think they're just they're hungry for competence. That's hungry

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>for at this point.

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Tom Herman thing, though, like the whole is

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Texas back question, it is of course a stupid joke

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>at this point and way overplayed. But to your point

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 2>about UCLA, like they should at least be a eight

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 2>win program, should at least be competent.

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Of course, in a time where USC is down, it

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>does feel like Texas should be getting a lot more

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>out of this program, and it's felt that way for

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>a while. But think of the hype that followed Tom

0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Herman to University of ten at Austin, Sure and beat

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 1>out LSU for him. Yup.

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>And there's no doubt. There's no doubt in my mind

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 2>that he has gotten them up for big games. He

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.279
<v Speaker 2>is a big game coach, Tom Herman, and he's been

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 2>on this show. We love Tom Herman. I think he's

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 2>a smart dude. I think he's a good coach. He's

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:20.839
<v Speaker 2>a nice guy. But it feels to me like there's

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of meat left on that bone. And

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.479
<v Speaker 2>if you're a Texas fan, if you're watching this team

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 2>week in and week out, if you are feeling like

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the talent is there to try and organize better and

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 2>potentially win the Big twelve, get a chance into that playoff,

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 2>like I understand coming away very unsatisfied and a bit

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 2>aggravated by that, even if you still generally like Tom Herman.

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 2>So I think there is a case to be made

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:51.759
<v Speaker 2>for him over Chip Kelly, because I know that the

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:56.839
<v Speaker 2>fan base is just it has much higher expectations, let's say,

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 2>than they do a UCLA.

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Well here's the other thing with Texas, right, they're in

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.000
<v Speaker 1>year four. Now, this is a very different year for everybody.

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not an excuse, but it's just a reality. Right,

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:08.400
<v Speaker 1>It's different for everybody. Penn State in a normal year

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 1>probably doesn't look like this, right, Michigan in a normal

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:13.359
<v Speaker 1>year probably doesn't look like this.

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.919
<v Speaker 1>It speaks to their ability to push through adversity and

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.879
<v Speaker 1>obstacles and things like that, and it's not a great

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 1>look for schools like that. There's just I don't know

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:25.919
<v Speaker 1>if you have friends like this or solid wife Kate

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 1>has friends like this, where there's just there's always something.

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>You're like, hey, do you want to meet up for

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 1>lunch and like, well, yes, but there's always something. There's

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 1>always something. With Texas playing against Texas Techa a pretty

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 1>flawed team and year two of a new coach sixty

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 1>three to fifty six. Last year, you're playing against the

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Kansas team, an awful, awful Kansas team, and they fire

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 1>their offensive coordinator, they make an analyst, they're new coordinator.

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 1>I believe that was the order of succession, and they

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like sixty to fifty nine, fifty nine, fifty seven.

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>The Oklahoma game goes a bajillion overtimes and they lose,

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>so like they're giving people hope that they're on Oklahoma's

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>level and they play Oklahoma State, they play terrible, but

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 1>they win a clunker against a good team.

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 2>You're like, Wow, we have the ability to win our club.

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>There's always something. It's always something with Texas, And I

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's a recruiting thing. I don't know

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 1>if it's a culture thing. I don't know if it's

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>coordinator or an assistant, a malaise, a game planning, a

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 1>treating their five star players like celebrities, whatever it is,

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it's always something. Texas can't just go ten and two

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.959
<v Speaker 1>and beat everybody they should and maybe everybody they should

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:38.839
<v Speaker 1>comfortably and lose to teams that.

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Are slightly better. Can't do it.

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Always something ty that's the case for Tom Herman to

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>me in year four, he doesn't have them at least

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>to that point where they're just outclassed, but they beat

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 1>everybody they should. I think I think the answer is

0:41:55.920 --> 0:42:00.080
<v Speaker 1>still Chip Kelly. Okay, my case is more convincing there

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 1>that in terms of this game.

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 2>In terms of this game, I think the answer is

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:06.879
<v Speaker 2>still Chip Kelly. But this is hard for me. This

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 2>is a tough one for me. I really wavered between

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Herman and Kelly, But I.

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Still don't fully understand the game just going. They're just

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 1>going from a gut here.

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 2>If we put Chip Kelly, Mike Leach, Gus Malson, and

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Dana Holgerson on the ship, who is the chief among.

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, those Champions League parasite? Yeah, so who

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>is sabotaging? Who is subverting? Oh Man? From a leadership position?

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 1>We're asking who, either voluntarily or involuntarily is doing the

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:57.359
<v Speaker 1>most harm the program that they are at, or with

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>your new twist, put the fan base through anguish hard that. Yeah,

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Gus is still he's still doing more good

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>than the others, right, Dana Holgerson at Houston, Mike Leach

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 1>a Mississippi State, Chip Kelly at UCLA. Gus has done

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>far more good for Auburn. He's taking them to what

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:24.399
<v Speaker 1>a national championship he's taken, He's won the SEC, He's

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>beaten Alabama multiple times, he had you know, was the

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>coach of the most memorable play in recent and modern

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:34.320
<v Speaker 1>college football history in the kick six, the offensive coordinator

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>on the CAM team. So there's good will. I think

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.279
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be Leach, right, I think it's Leech

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be Leach because he's just getting started.

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>He's just getting started, which we have seen coaches, Oh god,

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 2>he goes through you.

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 1>We've seen coaches start off disastrously as they try to

0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>shift the direction of a program, perhaps schemat culturally, whatever.

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>So it wouldn't surprise if as Mike Leach got more

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of his own guys made you know, shifts with the

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 1>assistance or whatever, that Mississippi State become a threat in

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the SEC. Year one was always going to be rocky.

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody predicted to this extent, but it's

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a tough year one for anybody given the circumstances.

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's a wild ride too. It's a wild ride

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 2>after that Week one experience to kind of end up.

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing too though. I mean we've we've reevaluated

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 1>where LSU is as a as a team and as

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 1>a program right now. So let's see Texas Tech his

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 1>first year, and they were in a better place, I

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.520
<v Speaker 1>believe when he took over in two thousand. They go

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>seven and six. Washington State absolutely in the dumps, they

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 1>go three to nine, one in eight in the then

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Pack twelve. Yeah, I was a Pack twelve by twenty twelve.

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 1>That was the first year I believe of it. One

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 1>in eight is these are his pack twelve records, So

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:03.359
<v Speaker 1>he's almost in a Bell curve like parasitic place. One

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 1>in eight, four and five, two and seven auspicious but

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>showing some some feist, some improvement six and three, seven

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 1>and two, six and three, seven and two. Holy hell,

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 1>what a stretch twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 1>three and six. So you know, bringing in JC quarterback

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 1>after JC quarterback with what Anthony Gordon and who's the

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 1>quarterback for the Jaguars now that was there? Jor snash Garment.

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:28.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's never a great sign where you're not

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>developing quarterbacks and you're relying on JC guys year after year.

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, starting out, it's it could be the

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 1>bottom of the Bell curve, but there's it feels like

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a curve in Mississippi state one

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 1>way or the other.

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Let's play it just one more time, just you know,

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 2>just to really drive home point.

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh, which of these teams? Okay, so let's stick with

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.520
<v Speaker 1>my my slight pivot. So of all these what sixteen teams?

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeap do you think is the absolute worst fan experience

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 1>in terms of I'm a fan of X team and

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 1>they do nothing but haunt my dreams, whether it's giving

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 1>me hope and then tearing it down or just beating

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 1>me down to such an emotional low point that I

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 1>no longer can feel things.

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I think it's got to be Nebraska.

0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:24.800
<v Speaker 1>You think Scott, the Scott Frost relationship to Nebraska fans

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I a most brutal.

0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even counting Scott Frost in that equation. I'm

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:35.840
<v Speaker 2>just saying that the combination of and we see it

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 2>like Notre Dame. Notre Dame's a good example, right, a

0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 2>traditional blue blood. It's a lot of success. Over the years,

0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the game, to some extent has kind of moved at

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.759
<v Speaker 2>a faster pace than the institution could keep up with.

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>And for a long time with Notre Dame, it was

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 2>the same deal where the expectations did not change, but

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.479
<v Speaker 2>the game around the program did.

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 1>But now that they've admitted that their independence is no

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 1>longer a defining factor of their program, well they've taken

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 1>nice steps forward.

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 2>They've closed the gap. They've closed the gap, and they've

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>taken that You're right, they've taken great steps forward, and Nebraska,

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 2>to me, feels like they are in that they're kind

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 2>of trapped in that limbo state where the expectations are

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 2>still there, maybe not quite to the same extent as

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.719
<v Speaker 2>they were at Notre Dame, but they're still there, and

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:28.319
<v Speaker 2>the program is constantly trying to figure out ways to

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 2>play catch up, and a lot of that pressure now

0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 2>is on Scott Frost to deliver. I hope he gets

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 2>time to do so, because I believe he is the

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:39.359
<v Speaker 2>right guy for the job if given the opportunity. I've

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 2>given enough time to But I can imagine being a

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:46.880
<v Speaker 2>fan of that program and just kind of constantly wondering

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:48.920
<v Speaker 2>when is it going to happen, When is it going

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:50.840
<v Speaker 2>to happen? Is this the year that we see some

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.759
<v Speaker 2>progress that we can build on to take that next

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 2>step to get there? So for me, I think it's Nebraska.

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 2>You can make a case for Virginia Tech as well.

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if expectations at Tech are are ever

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 2>going to be as high as they would be at

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 2>a place like a Nebraska.

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Men, Virginia Tech hasn't been that good in a long time.

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Though It's been a while, right, It's been a long time. Yeah,

0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:16.359
<v Speaker 2>so you could make the case, but I think it's

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 2>to a much lesser degree.

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the coaches who have teased though that have

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 1>teased their fan bases with recent enough success. So you

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 1>have Tom Herman and the Sugar Bowl with Texas, right,

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:32.879
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh my god, we've ascended to this level.

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>We're a New Year's six program. We beat this blue

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 1>blood in Georgia, fellow blue blood in Georgia, and we

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>have turned a corner. It seems like since that moment

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 1>it has been nothing but pain as a Texas fan

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 1>that they did make what the Big twelve Championship game, like,

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.640
<v Speaker 1>they're you know, they're they're performing well enough at times,

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:52.319
<v Speaker 1>but their lows are so even they're wins, in those lows,

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:55.359
<v Speaker 1>they're always something factor that's brutal as a fan, TI

0:48:55.480 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>you know this, Yeah, I would say the Gus Malsonics

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:04.440
<v Speaker 1>experience has been trying, for sure, really really trying. I

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>think it's probably worse to be a TCU fan than

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 1>an Auburn fan, considering that TCU was right there on

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the playoff. They win the Rose Bowl

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty ten, they had an amazing I think twenty fourteen

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.919
<v Speaker 1>season with Ravon Boykin, and they're right there. They lose

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>sixty one to fifty eight to Baylor, and that changes

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the calculus of everything. And then there's just this hunt

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:28.680
<v Speaker 1>to recapture, right that these like this failed dog, the

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 1>bounty hunter character in Fort Worth, that they're always hunting

0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:36.799
<v Speaker 1>to recapture and that is maddening to me that they

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>were so crazy Razor Thin close to symbolically making that leap,

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Whereas the Nebraska experience was always I mean, it was

0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:52.440
<v Speaker 1>fine during the bow Polini. I mean not five volatile

0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 1>during bow Polini. But I don't think Scott Frost has

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 1>done anything other than the outside expectations to do too

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 1>much harm. It's been rough the way Nebraska has law.

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>It's rough, Don't get me wrong, It's definitely rough. Arizona

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't think qualifies here. USC is tough because they

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:09.480
<v Speaker 1>had that blip with the Rose Bowl, the twenty seventeen

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 1>team Sam Darnold, but they've largely not been consistently good

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.879
<v Speaker 1>for over a decade. You have your a Lane Kiff

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 1>in season and then that's sort of it. NC State

0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think qualifies here. They're down, but they don't

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:30.840
<v Speaker 1>qualify UCLA doesn't qualify the Tennessee experience. Hmm. Interesting. The

0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Tennessee experience has been it has to have been awful.

0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that they've had the hope. I mean,

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 1>they've had the off season hope, but they haven't had

0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the in season winning hope. They haven't, you know, they

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.799
<v Speaker 1>don't all of a sudden trounce Florida or beat Alabama

0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:48.080
<v Speaker 1>and like okay, we've broken through and then that have

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:52.399
<v Speaker 1>them have it ripped from them. So I think they're

0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:55.919
<v Speaker 1>close to being in that category. But I think it's

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:57.080
<v Speaker 1>more Texas and Michigan.

0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:01.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I'm with you, Dan, I really do.

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it's.

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Texas, Michigan. Maybe a dash of TCU, a dash of

0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 1>powdered frog.

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 2>I hear you. I still think I go Nebraska, Okay,

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 2>but I hear you.

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Is Nebraska's best recent win the lost to Ohio State

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 1>two years ago?

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:15.919
<v Speaker 2>It might be.

0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think like, hey, look, I mean if you

0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>look at any article, like longer article about Nebraska's offense

0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 1>and Adrian Martinez, which was just bench, it's it's man,

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.480
<v Speaker 1>look at look at that spark he had that that

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 1>stretch of games in the back half of twenty eighteen

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 1>really gave Ohio Say everything they could handle. It's the

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>best recent win.

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Weird game today, Dan, I loved it.

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I loved every second. Thank you.

0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Way in Solid Verbal at gmail dot com. Don't forget

0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to give us a call as you're watching the games

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:50.960
<v Speaker 2>here in week twelve, four oh eight Verbal one is

0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:53.120
<v Speaker 2>the reverblind four oh eight eight three seven two two

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:55.800
<v Speaker 2>five one. We will cut those up on Sunday and

0:51:55.840 --> 0:52:00.719
<v Speaker 2>play them as part of our reverbs segment. Dan, We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to hit the stop button now and then we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do our bruin A. I've got a beer

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<v Speaker 2>here next to me that will put hair on your chest.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you could handle this beer.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely couldn't. I'm not with that description, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>So with that being said, I think this is where

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<v Speaker 2>we bid everyone a fond to do and wish everyone

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<v Speaker 2>well for the weekend. Stay safe and by all means

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<v Speaker 2>stay solid.

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<v Speaker 1>Peace.