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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the UFO Show.

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Speaker 2: Dan, I have Ty Hildebrand. He is Dan Rubinstein. This

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Speaker 2: is the solid verbal. It's our Friday UFO show today,

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Speaker 2: the Unsuspecting Friday Orbit Daniel, which we'll explain in a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good? I showered, cleared the mind, feeling focused

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Speaker 1: and centered. We're recording the UFO Show and then that's

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Speaker 1: going to be followed by the Bruin a for the

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Speaker 1: Patreon subscribers that can be found at verballers dot com.

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Speaker 1: But really feeling quite good, Ty, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it is, but because you came up with this fantastic

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Speaker 1: theme for the UFO Show, because the questions are really

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Speaker 1: inspiring a bunch inside of my brain for the brune.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you are you see that. I have so much

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Speaker 1: excitement that the pop filter keeps moving on my micro flooring,

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Speaker 1: so much electricity. Okay, so yeah, quite excited for this recording, Sash.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget, as Dan mentioned, for Ballers dot com, if

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Speaker 2: you're interested in checking out our Patreon and all the

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Speaker 1: We're gonna drink beer and go places, right, is that

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Speaker 1: what's happening on the Brune every week. We're drinking beer

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Speaker 1: and going places.

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Speaker 2: That is what we do. That is what we do.

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Speaker 2: I've got my Soliverble pint glass here, which I will

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Speaker 2: brandish proudly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Same. All I'm gonna say about the Bruine is it's

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Speaker 2: That's right. I think that's right. Then you get on here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's all.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right. Uh. Soliverble dot com is our website.

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Speaker 2: That's where you can subscribe to the show. Also the newsletter.

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Speaker 2: You can find it out there. All the usual hotspots right, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Got a YouTube channel where we post some of the clips.

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Speaker 2: We obviously post larger ones on the Patreon feed. Why

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Speaker 2: don't we jump into news? Okay, the last breaking news

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Speaker 2: the voice. Boop boop boop.

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Speaker 1: Hey Hey hey what was Carol Baskin say?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 1: I like cool cats and kittens?

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Speaker 2: Hey all you have cool cats? And kittens.

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Speaker 1: It's time for breaking news. Boo boop.

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Speaker 2: So I think we've got what is it, fifteen more

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Speaker 2: we go on out there. We do our preview show,

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Speaker 2: Maryland as Mike Loxley has reportedly tested positive.

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Speaker 1: If he is the future, protect your future. No point

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Speaker 1: I think that's all that's worthwhile to talk about. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: with our game unsuspecting Friday Orbit.

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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the online game among Us before today? No?

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Speaker 2: I wasn't among us. So today's game is based, however,

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Speaker 2: those deals where you're all in a space capsule spaceship

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Speaker 2: and one in some cases two of your crewmates have

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Speaker 2: been replaced by parasitic shape shifters. Daniel m hm.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Their goal is to eliminate the rest of the crew

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Speaker 2: before the ship reaches home. The impostor or posteurs will

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Speaker 2: sabotage the ship. They'll sneak through events, they'll deceive, they'll

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Speaker 1: And kill off the crew intentionally, morbid dark.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty twenty here we are.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: We are playing a modified version of that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how does it go?

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Speaker 2: In our version? I'm going to talk about four ships

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Speaker 2: on the ship. It's a brotherhood, this coaching rank.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is it's a squadron of ships, and

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Speaker 1: we need to figure out which captain is sabotaging. Is traitorous?

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Speaker 1: Is treasonous? Is subverting the goals of the ship for

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Speaker 2: To some extent? Yeah, except it's not so much a

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Speaker 1: You get the true, right, So we're figuring out which

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're figuring out who on each ship is secretly

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Speaker 2: Let's go to ship number one. Here are the crew

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Speaker 2: members on ship number one. Dan, We've got Jim Harbaugh

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Speaker 2: Coaches, that is correct, who is most working against their

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Speaker 1: Or is it just me?

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Speaker 2: No, it's a conversation, Dan, Okay, it's a conversation. So

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Speaker 2: here's the lay of the land here. The hardball thing

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Speaker 1: Mm hm.

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Speaker 2: We haven't talked a whole lot about Fuente, Holgerson and Cutcliff.

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Speaker 2: I think cut Cliff's are really tough sell here because

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Speaker 1: And he's the best modern duke coach, without a doubt,

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Speaker 1: best modern duke coach, without a doubt. The program has stalled.

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Speaker 2: It has stalled, and if anything, has gone a little

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Speaker 2: don't think it's a situation where what Cutcliff's doing is

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Speaker 2: field to Harbaugh, Fiuente and Holgerson. Dan, does it make sense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they go what five and seven last year? They're

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, Kevin, someone's heart is in it enough

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Speaker 1: you know, this linebacker's good, or this corner is really good,

433
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Speaker 1: or this safety's good. There's NFL level talent on that defense.

434
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: But it's just the depth isn't there. And so that's recruiting,

435
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: that's evaluation, that's development, that is assistant hires. And so

436
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: I think David Shaw sort of falls under the Gary

437
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: Patterson element to me where still is well regarded for

438
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: good reason. Everybody likes David Shaw. He's smart, he's thoughtful.

439
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: He has by and large succeeded at a place that's

440
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: pretty difficult to succeed at in Stanford. As great a

441
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 1: school as it is, as you know, great a location

442
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: weatherwise and everything like that as Stanford is.

443
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: It's tough there.

444
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: It's tough to attract assistance, cost of living super high.

445
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: I get it, but I don't think he is. I

446
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: don't think he has that switch where what he's doing

447
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: is so actively working against the program. I wish he

448
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: would be a little bit more aggressive on offense with

449
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: play calling and you still, you know, far far too

450
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: conservative for me in what Stanford needs. Dave Dorn n

451
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: C State's having a nice enough year, a nice enough

452
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: bounce back. I don't love their staff, and especially on

453
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: the offensive side. You know, Hirington back is never an

454
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: excitement thing for me. But has NC State lost to

455
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: anybody they shouldn't have this year, Like given the depths

456
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: where the Wolfpack were last year, I guess maybe you

457
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: can argue Pitt with some of the lows of Pitt,

458
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: but they lost to Kenny Pickett, I believe, and they

459
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: lost by a point on the road. They beat Virginia,

460
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: they beat Duke. They lose to North Carolina, which fine,

461
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: you can give up fifty North Carolina. A lot of

462
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: teams are in North Carolina's just better than NC State.

463
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: And I know n C State was at a much

464
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: better point three four five years ago, but even still,

465
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Speaker 1: they had a really an incredible shot to beat Miami.

466
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: They just beat Florida State. In retrospect, the win over

467
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Speaker 1: Wake Forest looks better than perhaps it did early on.

468
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: And yes, you lose to Virginia Tech, that's fine. We're

469
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: talking about losses till at top thirty, top forty schools.

470
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Speaker 1: NC State is squarely an average to maybe above average

471
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Speaker 1: team in the ACC. Yeah, and guess called Dave dorn

472
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Speaker 1: for as a saboteur in this situation.

473
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Speaker 2: Situation, Guess what had he not gotten hurt, Devin Leary

474
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: probably would have been there. They're star quarterback this year

475
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: he had.

476
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Speaker 1: Probably it's Miami.

477
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, a pretty impressive showing. The Bailey Hawkman's been fine

478
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: the early going. But Hawkman has been fine. Yeah, he

479
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: has been fine, So I agree with you. I don't

480
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: think it's Dave Dran. I don't think it's David Shaw,

481
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: But let's talk about Clay Helton. Clay Helton. If you

482
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: go on out to any website that tries to track

483
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: coaches on the hot seat, you're going to find Clay Helton,

484
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: if not at number one, at least in the top three,

485
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: top five. He just has to be there because USC

486
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: is never void of talent. They've always got it. They're

487
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: in a fertile part of the country. When it comes

488
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: to recruiting, it's a program that sort of recruits itself

489
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: and at least in the early going, I think so

490
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Speaker 2: you would know better than me, but they've never had

491
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Speaker 2: probably getting football players to go to USC didn't recruit.

492
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Speaker 1: It took a year off of recruiting itself. Yeah. Uh,

493
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: down to Coronado Island.

494
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: It's it's a wonder that we're in twenty twenty talking

495
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: about Clay Heilton. This is another guy who was reportedly

496
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: getting fired a handful of times and still hasn't don't

497
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: know if it's going to happen in twenty twenty given

498
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: the climate, but it does not feel like he is

499
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: long for USC. The question I guess would be USC

500
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Speaker 2: twelfth out of twelve.

501
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Speaker 1: In the class of twenty twenty. In the PAC twelve

502
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: twelfth only twelve commitments two Blue Chips out of those twelve.

503
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Speaker 2: The question that I have is is Clay Helton doing

504
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: anything more wrong than any of his predecessors, Like, is

505
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: he worse than the last guy? Is he doing something

506
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: that is actively dragging this program?

507
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: I think the anger among USC fans, if we're gonna

508
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: look at the fan base, is more with the administration.

509
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't think people fault USC for making the

510
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: decision to hire Clay Helton given the success he had

511
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Speaker 1: as an interim coach, but given the extension I believe

512
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: after the Rose Bowl. Maybe that's wrong, but I'm going

513
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: to put it out in the universe anyway. I'll look

514
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: it up as I'm talking. And the opportunity to replace

515
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: him with somebody that fans felt would do a better

516
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: job at USC and the administration not doing that, be

517
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: it for financial or otherwise reasons. I don't hold it

518
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: against Clay Helton. I think it's more of the like,

519
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: remember somebody tweeting CJ McCollum to like, win a playoff

520
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: series before you can talk or something like that, right,

521
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: And CJ McCollum tweeted back, I mean we love CJ.

522
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: McCom He's Lee high right, Yep, I'm trying, Jennifer. I

523
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: feel like Clay Helton is squarely in the I'm trying

524
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: Jennifer mode. He really is trying. He's just the Clay

525
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: Healthlton ship doesn't have the thrusters. It doesn't. It just doesn't.

526
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with Leech here. I think

527
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the arrogance of Leech, the public

528
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: behavior of Leech, the sort of self awareness about the

529
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: Mike Leach brand above all else about him, the disconnect

530
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: with the Mississippi state culture upon arriving in Starkville. I'm

531
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: gonna go Leech here.

532
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: Don't hold back, man, tell us what you really think. Yeah,

533
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: I think that's an easy one. I think it is, too,

534
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: because do you see players just full on bailing. There's like, nah,

535
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm done full on bailing. Yeah, Dorin, Shaw and Hilton

536
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: are all trying their best. They're trying their best, and

537
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: you know, I think in at least two of those cases,

538
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: it's a tough place to win. The Clay Hilton thing,

539
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: that ship's been taking on water for a while, not

540
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 2: to mix our metaphors here being an outer space and all.

541
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: But you know that's not necessarily news. The Leech thing

542
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: came in, and it's caught a lot of people by

543
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: surprise when he took that job, and obviously caught the

544
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: sec by surprise with kJ Costello throwing for a record

545
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: amount of yardage in week one, and then things have

546
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: really gone sideways.

547
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: Do you hear a giant mower outside?

548
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: It's that time of the week again, isn't it.

549
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: That time of the week. Absolutely was. I was so hopeful.

550
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm ready with song to essentially celebrate you saying Clay

551
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: Helton is a nice guy. Everybody says Clail is a

552
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: nice guy, and you didn't do it. But I'm so

553
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: upset because I was ready with a song.

554
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is dan about Clay Helton. Everybody says

555
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm a nice guy. You know.

556
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we didn't do a fantasy thing this year

557
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: because it's just you. You control a fantasy thing about

558
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Clay Helton is a.

559
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: Nice It's true, It's true.

560
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I was ready.

561
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: Leech is our thanks are here. Just get this out

562
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: of our system. Have to do it, man, Oh my God,

563
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: it's going to haunt your dreams brutal. The last ship

564
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: this is, I think the hardest Tom Herman. Tom Herm

565
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: immediately selected somebody Chip Kelly at UCLA, Jeremy Pruett at Tennessee,

566
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: and Dino Babers at Syracuse Dan. I don't think there's

567
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: an obvious answer here. Again, who is either knowingly or

568
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: unknowingly bringing their own program down, knowingly or unknowingly putting

569
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: their fan base through undue anguish? Who is your eye

570
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: drawn to here, Charles chip Kelly? Really why the recruiting thing?

571
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: UCLA is not a difficult place to recruit too. Yes,

572
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: there are academic standards, but they have long recruited very,

573
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Speaker 2: very well in Southern California. I like to make the argument, though,

574
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: that some Southern California talent is wildly overrated for whatever reason,

575
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: just because everybody wants Southern California players to be really good.

576
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 2: Where the culture of high school football isn't necessarily robust

577
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: enough to produce as much blue chip talent as people

578
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: perceive it to produce. I think what Tom Herman has

579
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: attempted to do is hires have not always been on point.

580
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: We've talked about beck Meyer syndrome. I think he is

581
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: turning over every rock. I think he really is trying.

582
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't think his actions point to something so egregiously wrong.

583
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like it's fully working out, that his

584
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: decisions haven't worked out. Same with Jeremy Pruitt. Although the

585
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: recruiting is there, some of the improvement is obvious. Some

586
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: of it it just look at twenty twenty isn't as obvious.

587
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: But the defense isn't the problem in Tennessee largely. They've

588
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: got guys on defense. They recruited the offensive line pretty well.

589
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: Dino Babers. That's just a tough job. He did a

590
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: good job with the players he inherited. I mean, the

591
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: quarterback injuries have been brutal. Offensive line injuries have been brutal,

592
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: and I you know, I don't know if there's a

593
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: reason that we can point to so many injuries and

594
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: so much dumb luck with Syracuse. But I don't think

595
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: it's Babors. I think he's a totally good coach. I

596
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: don't know if he's worth having a conversation about as

597
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: an upper power five level candidate like he has been

598
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: these past couple of years. But I think he's fine

599
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: chip though with the recruiting he's done at UCLA. I'm

600
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: never a huge fan of building hope around a guy

601
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: who is on his way down, and like it or not,

602
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: the reality is, you go up to Philly and then

603
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: things go downhill. It in Philly, go to San Francisco.

604
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: It was just not going to work out in San Francisco.

605
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: He's only there for a year, the ownership and he

606
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 1: apparently didn't get along, and so he takes a year off.

607
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I like the West Coast, and

608
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: UCLA is you can you can bring talent there, and

609
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve is pretty winnable, and I think he

610
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: is it appears to be. And listen, nobody loves the

611
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: Heights of Charles ship Kelly more than I. But his

612
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: tenure at UCLA points to I don't know if it's arrogance.

613
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just a stubbornness of like,

614
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: this is how I succeeded at Oregon, this is how

615
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: we will succeed at UCLA. And to not recruit on

616
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: a level fitting of the Bruins and expecting to outperform

617
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: the talent you bring in, I don't know it just

618
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: strikes me as working against the program and working against

619
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: the ceiling of the program, which Jim Mora was a

620
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: totally good coach. At his best, Ucla was a competitive team.

621
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Ucla filed it some you know, some years it was

622
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: an incredible defense. Some years it was you know, I

623
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: remember those Paul Perkins offenses. Brett Hunley. I just UCLA

624
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: should always be an eight ish win caliber team, and

625
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: they're just not, and they haven't looked anywhere near it

626
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: years years now into Chip Kelly's tenure.

627
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: There counterpoint counterpoint to Herman.

628
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: Okay, give me the answer for Herman.

629
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if I have any answers on this ship.

630
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if any of them are Well.

631
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: If you're firing two coordinators the same year, that's on

632
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: you that you hired coordinators, that we're we're both not

633
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: working out and both not taking the program in a

634
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: direction that matches your vision.

635
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: If you truly want to pivot and talk about the

636
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: effect on a fan base, the Herman angle is interesting

637
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: to me, you know, like I think if you look

638
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: at Baber's there's not really a fan base angle there

639
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: with Syracuse. There are Syracuse people who listen to this show,

640
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: but you know, the Texas fan base is much more notable.

641
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: The Jeremy Pruett angle is interesting. I think there's a

642
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: recognition among the Vols base that there's a deficiency at

643
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: quarterback that they need to solve. They haven't yet, but

644
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: it does feel like the Allen has gotten better and

645
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: the team as a whole, the depth and whatnot is

646
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: it's getting there. Chip Kelly, Ucla that fan base. You

647
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: could tell me probably better than anyone about the UCLA

648
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: fan base. I don't know if it's quite as hungry

649
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: for a national championship or even a nine win season

650
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: as they are in Texas.

651
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: I think they're just they're hungry for competence. That's hungry

652
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: for at this point.

653
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Tom Herman thing, though, like the whole is

654
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: Texas back question, it is of course a stupid joke

655
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: at this point and way overplayed. But to your point

656
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: about UCLA, like they should at least be a eight

657
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: win program, should at least be competent.

658
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Of course, in a time where USC is down, it

659
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: does feel like Texas should be getting a lot more

660
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: out of this program, and it's felt that way for

661
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: a while. But think of the hype that followed Tom

662
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: Herman to University of ten at Austin, Sure and beat

663
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: out LSU for him. Yup.

664
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: And there's no doubt. There's no doubt in my mind

665
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: that he has gotten them up for big games. He

666
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: is a big game coach, Tom Herman, and he's been

667
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: on this show. We love Tom Herman. I think he's

668
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: a smart dude. I think he's a good coach. He's

669
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: a nice guy. But it feels to me like there's

670
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: there's a lot of meat left on that bone. And

671
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 2: if you're a Texas fan, if you're watching this team

672
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: week in and week out, if you are feeling like

673
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: the talent is there to try and organize better and

674
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: potentially win the Big twelve, get a chance into that playoff,

675
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: like I understand coming away very unsatisfied and a bit

676
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: aggravated by that, even if you still generally like Tom Herman.

677
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: So I think there is a case to be made

678
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: for him over Chip Kelly, because I know that the

679
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: fan base is just it has much higher expectations, let's say,

680
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: than they do a UCLA.

681
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: Well here's the other thing with Texas, right, they're in

682
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: year four. Now, this is a very different year for everybody.

683
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: It's not an excuse, but it's just a reality. Right,

684
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: It's different for everybody. Penn State in a normal year

685
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: probably doesn't look like this, right, Michigan in a normal

686
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: year probably doesn't look like this.

687
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: Now.

688
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: It speaks to their ability to push through adversity and

689
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: obstacles and things like that, and it's not a great

690
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: look for schools like that. There's just I don't know

691
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: if you have friends like this or solid wife Kate

692
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: has friends like this, where there's just there's always something.

693
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, do you want to meet up for

694
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: lunch and like, well, yes, but there's always something. There's

695
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: always something. With Texas playing against Texas Techa a pretty

696
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: flawed team and year two of a new coach sixty

697
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: three to fifty six. Last year, you're playing against the

698
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: Kansas team, an awful, awful Kansas team, and they fire

699
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator, they make an analyst, they're new coordinator.

700
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: I believe that was the order of succession, and they

701
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: it's like sixty to fifty nine, fifty nine, fifty seven.

702
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: The Oklahoma game goes a bajillion overtimes and they lose,

703
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: so like they're giving people hope that they're on Oklahoma's

704
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: level and they play Oklahoma State, they play terrible, but

705
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: they win a clunker against a good team.

706
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: You're like, Wow, we have the ability to win our club.

707
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: There's always something. It's always something with Texas, And I

708
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a recruiting thing. I don't know

709
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: if it's a culture thing. I don't know if it's

710
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: coordinator or an assistant, a malaise, a game planning, a

711
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: treating their five star players like celebrities, whatever it is,

712
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: it's always something. Texas can't just go ten and two

713
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 1: and beat everybody they should and maybe everybody they should

714
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: comfortably and lose to teams that.

715
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: Are slightly better. Can't do it.

716
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: Always something ty that's the case for Tom Herman to

717
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: me in year four, he doesn't have them at least

718
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: to that point where they're just outclassed, but they beat

719
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: everybody they should. I think I think the answer is

720
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: still Chip Kelly. Okay, my case is more convincing there

721
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: that in terms of this game.

722
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: In terms of this game, I think the answer is

723
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 2: still Chip Kelly. But this is hard for me. This

724
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: is a tough one for me. I really wavered between

725
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: Herman and Kelly, But I.

726
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Still don't fully understand the game just going. They're just

727
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: going from a gut here.

728
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: If we put Chip Kelly, Mike Leach, Gus Malson, and

729
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: Dana Holgerson on the ship, who is the chief among.

730
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, those Champions League parasite? Yeah, so who

731
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: is sabotaging? Who is subverting? Oh Man? From a leadership position?

732
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: We're asking who, either voluntarily or involuntarily is doing the

733
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: most harm the program that they are at, or with

734
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: your new twist, put the fan base through anguish hard that. Yeah,

735
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Gus is still he's still doing more good

736
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: than the others, right, Dana Holgerson at Houston, Mike Leach

737
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: a Mississippi State, Chip Kelly at UCLA. Gus has done

738
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: far more good for Auburn. He's taking them to what

739
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: a national championship he's taken, He's won the SEC, He's

740
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: beaten Alabama multiple times, he had you know, was the

741
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: coach of the most memorable play in recent and modern

742
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: college football history in the kick six, the offensive coordinator

743
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: on the CAM team. So there's good will. I think

744
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: it's got to be Leach, right, I think it's Leech

745
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: it's got to be Leach because he's just getting started.

746
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: He's just getting started, which we have seen coaches, Oh god,

747
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: he goes through you.

748
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: We've seen coaches start off disastrously as they try to

749
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: shift the direction of a program, perhaps schemat culturally, whatever.

750
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't surprise if as Mike Leach got more

751
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: of his own guys made you know, shifts with the

752
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: assistance or whatever, that Mississippi State become a threat in

753
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: the SEC. Year one was always going to be rocky.

754
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody predicted to this extent, but it's

755
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: a tough year one for anybody given the circumstances.

756
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: And it's a wild ride too. It's a wild ride

757
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: after that Week one experience to kind of end up.

758
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing too though. I mean we've we've reevaluated

759
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: where LSU is as a as a team and as

760
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: a program right now. So let's see Texas Tech his

761
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: first year, and they were in a better place, I

762
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: believe when he took over in two thousand. They go

763
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: seven and six. Washington State absolutely in the dumps, they

764
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: go three to nine, one in eight in the then

765
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: Pack twelve. Yeah, I was a Pack twelve by twenty twelve.

766
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: That was the first year I believe of it. One

767
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: in eight is these are his pack twelve records, So

768
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: he's almost in a Bell curve like parasitic place. One

769
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: in eight, four and five, two and seven auspicious but

770
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: showing some some feist, some improvement six and three, seven

771
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: and two, six and three, seven and two. Holy hell,

772
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: what a stretch twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

773
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: three and six. So you know, bringing in JC quarterback

774
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: after JC quarterback with what Anthony Gordon and who's the

775
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Jaguars now that was there? Jor snash Garment.

776
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

777
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's never a great sign where you're not

778
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: developing quarterbacks and you're relying on JC guys year after year.

779
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: And so yeah, starting out, it's it could be the

780
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: bottom of the Bell curve, but there's it feels like

781
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: there's going to be a curve in Mississippi state one

782
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: way or the other.

783
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: Let's play it just one more time, just you know,

784
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: just to really drive home point.

785
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Oh, which of these teams? Okay, so let's stick with

786
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: my my slight pivot. So of all these what sixteen teams?

787
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeap do you think is the absolute worst fan experience

788
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: in terms of I'm a fan of X team and

789
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: they do nothing but haunt my dreams, whether it's giving

790
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: me hope and then tearing it down or just beating

791
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: me down to such an emotional low point that I

792
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: no longer can feel things.

793
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: I think it's got to be Nebraska.

794
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: You think Scott, the Scott Frost relationship to Nebraska fans

795
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: I a most brutal.

796
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm not even counting Scott Frost in that equation. I'm

797
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: just saying that the combination of and we see it

798
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: like Notre Dame. Notre Dame's a good example, right, a

799
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: traditional blue blood. It's a lot of success. Over the years,

800
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: the game, to some extent has kind of moved at

801
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: a faster pace than the institution could keep up with.

802
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: And for a long time with Notre Dame, it was

803
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: the same deal where the expectations did not change, but

804
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 2: the game around the program did.

805
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: But now that they've admitted that their independence is no

806
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: longer a defining factor of their program, well they've taken

807
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: nice steps forward.

808
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: They've closed the gap. They've closed the gap, and they've

809
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: taken that You're right, they've taken great steps forward, and Nebraska,

810
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: to me, feels like they are in that they're kind

811
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: of trapped in that limbo state where the expectations are

812
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: still there, maybe not quite to the same extent as

813
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: they were at Notre Dame, but they're still there, and

814
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: the program is constantly trying to figure out ways to

815
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: play catch up, and a lot of that pressure now

816
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: is on Scott Frost to deliver. I hope he gets

817
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: time to do so, because I believe he is the

818
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: right guy for the job if given the opportunity. I've

819
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: given enough time to But I can imagine being a

820
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: fan of that program and just kind of constantly wondering

821
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: when is it going to happen, When is it going

822
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: to happen? Is this the year that we see some

823
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: progress that we can build on to take that next

824
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: step to get there? So for me, I think it's Nebraska.

825
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: You can make a case for Virginia Tech as well.

826
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if expectations at Tech are are ever

827
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: going to be as high as they would be at

828
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: a place like a Nebraska.

829
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Men, Virginia Tech hasn't been that good in a long time.

830
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: Though It's been a while, right, It's been a long time. Yeah,

831
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 2: so you could make the case, but I think it's

832
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: to a much lesser degree.

833
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So the coaches who have teased though that have

834
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: teased their fan bases with recent enough success. So you

835
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: have Tom Herman and the Sugar Bowl with Texas, right,

836
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, we've ascended to this level.

837
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: We're a New Year's six program. We beat this blue

838
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: blood in Georgia, fellow blue blood in Georgia, and we

839
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: have turned a corner. It seems like since that moment

840
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: it has been nothing but pain as a Texas fan

841
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: that they did make what the Big twelve Championship game, like,

842
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're they're performing well enough at times,

843
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: but their lows are so even they're wins, in those lows,

844
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: they're always something factor that's brutal as a fan, TI

845
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: you know this, Yeah, I would say the Gus Malsonics

846
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: experience has been trying, for sure, really really trying. I

847
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: think it's probably worse to be a TCU fan than

848
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: an Auburn fan, considering that TCU was right there on

849
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: the edge of the playoff. They win the Rose Bowl

850
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: twenty ten, they had an amazing I think twenty fourteen

851
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: season with Ravon Boykin, and they're right there. They lose

852
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: sixty one to fifty eight to Baylor, and that changes

853
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: the calculus of everything. And then there's just this hunt

854
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: to recapture, right that these like this failed dog, the

855
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: bounty hunter character in Fort Worth, that they're always hunting

856
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: to recapture and that is maddening to me that they

857
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: were so crazy Razor Thin close to symbolically making that leap,

858
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: Whereas the Nebraska experience was always I mean, it was

859
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: fine during the bow Polini. I mean not five volatile

860
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Speaker 1: during bow Polini. But I don't think Scott Frost has

861
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Speaker 1: done anything other than the outside expectations to do too

862
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Speaker 1: much harm. It's been rough the way Nebraska has law.

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Speaker 1: It's rough, Don't get me wrong, It's definitely rough. Arizona

864
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Speaker 1: I don't think qualifies here. USC is tough because they

865
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Speaker 1: had that blip with the Rose Bowl, the twenty seventeen

866
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Speaker 1: team Sam Darnold, but they've largely not been consistently good

867
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Speaker 1: for over a decade. You have your a Lane Kiff

868
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Speaker 1: in season and then that's sort of it. NC State

869
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Speaker 1: I don't think qualifies here. They're down, but they don't

870
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Speaker 1: qualify UCLA doesn't qualify the Tennessee experience. Hmm. Interesting. The

871
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Speaker 1: Tennessee experience has been it has to have been awful.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they've had the hope. I mean,

873
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Speaker 1: they've had the off season hope, but they haven't had

874
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Speaker 1: the in season winning hope. They haven't, you know, they

875
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Speaker 1: don't all of a sudden trounce Florida or beat Alabama

876
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Speaker 1: and like okay, we've broken through and then that have

877
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Speaker 1: them have it ripped from them. So I think they're

878
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Speaker 1: close to being in that category. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: more Texas and Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm with you, Dan, I really do.

881
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Speaker 2: I think it's.

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Speaker 1: Texas, Michigan. Maybe a dash of TCU, a dash of

883
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Speaker 1: powdered frog.

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Speaker 2: I hear you. I still think I go Nebraska, Okay,

885
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Speaker 2: but I hear you.

886
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Speaker 1: Is Nebraska's best recent win the lost to Ohio State

887
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: two years ago?

888
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 2: It might be.

889
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think like, hey, look, I mean if you

890
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Speaker 1: look at any article, like longer article about Nebraska's offense

891
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Speaker 1: and Adrian Martinez, which was just bench, it's it's man,

892
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: look at look at that spark he had that that

893
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Speaker 1: stretch of games in the back half of twenty eighteen

894
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: really gave Ohio Say everything they could handle. It's the

895
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Speaker 1: best recent win.

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Speaker 2: Weird game today, Dan, I loved it.

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Speaker 1: I loved every second. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Way in Solid Verbal at gmail dot com. Don't forget

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Speaker 2: to give us a call as you're watching the games

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Speaker 2: here in week twelve, four oh eight Verbal one is

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Speaker 2: the reverblind four oh eight eight three seven two two

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Speaker 2: five one. We will cut those up on Sunday and

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Speaker 2: play them as part of our reverbs segment. Dan, We're

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Speaker 2: going to hit the stop button now and then we're

905
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Speaker 2: going to do our bruin A. I've got a beer

906
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 2: here next to me that will put hair on your chest.

907
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Speaker 2: I don't think you could handle this beer.

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Speaker 1: I definitely couldn't. I'm not with that description, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: So with that being said, I think this is where

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Speaker 2: we bid everyone a fond to do and wish everyone

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Speaker 2: well for the weekend. Stay safe and by all means

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Speaker 2: stay solid.

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Speaker 1: Peace.