Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2: I hope this is a good sign. But I think
Speaker 2: this might be the first episode of Midnight Chats which
Speaker 2: references a previous one that we've done, and I think
Speaker 2: that means that we're building a back catalog, right, which
Speaker 2: we're told by people who know about podcasts is a
Speaker 2: good sign. So we're happy about that. Back in the
Speaker 2: autumn of twenty sixteen, I went to go and meet
Speaker 2: Flying Lotus in an old cinema in London for Midnight Chats,
Speaker 2: and we talked mostly about the short film he was
Speaker 2: showing that night, Royal and the feature length one he
Speaker 2: was making at the time Cuso. If you're a regular listener,
Speaker 2: you'll recall that we both kind of struggled to describe
Speaker 2: just how dark, disturbing and disgusting what he's made is.
Speaker 2: And that night, Flying Lotus had some friends in the house,
Speaker 2: lots of people who came out to support him on
Speaker 2: his record label, Brain Feeder, including our guest on this episode, Thundercat.
Speaker 2: Now in this you'll hear Thundercat talk about Flying Lotus
Speaker 2: as the two Stevens aren't just label mates, they're also
Speaker 2: pretty good friends in day to day life, and maybe
Speaker 2: hopefully once you've listened to this one, you'll want to
Speaker 2: go back and check out that Flying Lotus episode. It
Speaker 2: was number seventeen, and wherever you're listening to this, you
Speaker 2: should be able to go back and scroll through and
Speaker 2: find it. But onto Thundercat and a quick resume for
Speaker 2: those who aren't familiar. I could probably do this in
Speaker 2: one sentence, and that's that. Thundercat is the guy that
Speaker 2: every musician who meets him loves. But there is a backstory.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 2: He's from a very talented musical family. His father was
Speaker 2: a drummer for The Temptations and was also in Diana
Speaker 2: Ross's band, and Stephen picked up the bass at a
Speaker 2: very early age and as anyone who's seen him live
Speaker 2: or know, he's basically got this supernatural talent for his instrument.
Speaker 2: By the time he was eighteen, he already joined the
Speaker 2: legendary thrash bands Suicidal Tendencies, and it was pretty recognizable
Speaker 2: on stage as the guy who'd wear a helmet and
Speaker 2: shoulder pads, and he quickly became one of the go
Speaker 2: to session musicians in Los Angeles and he still is now.
Speaker 2: He played him back and bands for Snoop Dogg and
Speaker 2: Erica Badou. But it wasn't until Flying Lotus signed him
Speaker 2: to brain Feeder as Thundercat, named after the cartoon, that
Speaker 2: he started releasing his own albums, and a couple of
Speaker 2: years back, he famously produced Kendrick Lamar's album to Pimper Butterfly.
Speaker 2: That was after the pair had got in the studio
Speaker 2: together and Thundercat scored Kendrick on some classical jazz and
Speaker 2: the two it off. Now, what I will say is
Speaker 2: that if you're looking for the scoop on what Kendrick's
Speaker 2: next album it's going to sound like, then this isn't
Speaker 2: the place.
Speaker 3: Instead, we attempted to.
Speaker 2: Answer some far more important questions like are cats better
Speaker 2: than dogs? And what does thunder Cat fill his empty
Speaker 2: suitcase with when he goes to Japan? What's the single
Speaker 2: greatest video game ever made? And you can hear his
Speaker 2: eyes practically light up when I mentioned video games in this?
Speaker 2: And how can you possibly begin to describe just how
Speaker 2: gross Flying notices Khuso film actually is And he's a
Speaker 2: clue We don't really, so we cover a lot of
Speaker 2: ground in this. Thundercat released his latest solo album, Drunk
Speaker 2: earlier this year. I recommend as you're listening to this,
Speaker 2: check out the artwork for that album if you haven't already.
Speaker 2: There's some good stories about that and on the album.
Speaker 2: He also has loads of notable guests. Kendricks on it was,
Speaker 2: Khalifa and Farral were all on drunk. But maybe the
Speaker 2: most surprising collaboration on it is with Kenny Loggins. And
Speaker 2: if you're thinking that name rings a bell, then yes,
Speaker 2: it is the same Kenny Loggins from the Footloost and
Speaker 2: Top Gun film soundtracks. So I met Thundercat a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago. It was backstage a venue called Heaven
Speaker 2: in London where he was playing. We sat on a
Speaker 2: couple of springy leather chairs and I really enjoyed our conversation.
Speaker 3: So this is it.
Speaker 2: This is Thundercat on episode twenty four of Midnight Chats. Thundercat,
Speaker 2: Welcome to Midnight Chats, our podcast series. It's great to
Speaker 2: have you on. How are you doing today?
Speaker 4: I'm all right, man, you know, just landed. I'm not
Speaker 4: too angry, not too tired, definitely got a poop, but
Speaker 4: you can't do that.
Speaker 3: We could take a short break if you need. Just
Speaker 3: give me the signal I'll just poop during the interview,
Speaker 3: just to set the scene for people.
Speaker 2: We are. We're in a backstage room at a venue
Speaker 2: called Heaven in London that you're playing tonight. It's kind
Speaker 2: of makeshift. We've got some interesting things going on in here,
Speaker 2: particularly this piece of artwork which shows Amy Winehouse and Shakespeare,
Speaker 2: and I think that's possibly George Michael on the wall
Speaker 2: elsewhere that thrown there. This is quite a famous venue
Speaker 2: in London. That thrown there, I think has been used
Speaker 2: on stage by Lady Gaga and Madonna by all accounts.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I must smell.
Speaker 3: You've got to take that on stage with you tonight.
Speaker 4: Totally take it on stage and just hack it with
Speaker 4: the axe.
Speaker 3: How are you doing anyway? Has things?
Speaker 4: I'm all right, man, just I've been on tour for
Speaker 4: quite some time, just to kind of, you know, in
Speaker 4: and out of lucid insanity. Uh No, I'm just I'm
Speaker 4: just chilling, man. I'm just kind of I don't know
Speaker 4: what to think right now. It's been a long time.
Speaker 4: It's almost been two months now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you miss home when you're out on the road.
Speaker 2: Do you just kind of like consume yourself with it?
Speaker 2: Do you just get by? How do you deal with it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Sometimes I start to miss it. Then I start
Speaker 4: to remember, like, you know, this is what I've done
Speaker 4: my whole life, so I don't really I don't really
Speaker 4: feel weird about it. You know. It's like I've always traveled,
Speaker 4: so it's like, you know, every now and again, I
Speaker 4: missed my cat, you know, and I'll miss like the
Speaker 4: sights and smells, but it's very short lived.
Speaker 3: What's your cat?
Speaker 4: Tron?
Speaker 3: Okay, brilliant name for cat. What's he like?
Speaker 2: She?
Speaker 4: It's very human, she does.
Speaker 3: She kind of sense human things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's very very humanized. She's like a very had
Speaker 4: a very interesting sensibility, very funny. Doesn't chase lasers, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: none of that stuff. She's a little smarter than that.
Speaker 4: But she is fun though. She's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: I like dancing with her, like sniffing under her neck.
Speaker 3: Those are the things you miss.
Speaker 2: I think cats are for me, cats better than dogs,
Speaker 2: because they are that's official, that's a certified fact.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because cats are just they're just a bit more
Speaker 2: noncho than They're not so needy.
Speaker 3: Are they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're they're to themselves and you know, they can
Speaker 4: take care of themselves.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I always I always tend to think, like I feel weird,
Speaker 4: like I'm leaving my cat behind. I'm like, if my
Speaker 4: cat was a wild cat, it would like eat once
Speaker 4: a week. Like I just realized that, like cats are
Speaker 4: just a different you know, they're a different breed man.
Speaker 3: And who feeds the cat when you're away?
Speaker 4: I have tons of friends that will come over and
Speaker 4: feed Tron. You know, to tell people, no, do you
Speaker 4: want me to go over and check on Tron? And
Speaker 4: it's like, no, don't worry. There's like ten people watching Tron.
Speaker 3: But like the cat's getting fed like thirteen times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, come home to find Tron has put on
Speaker 2: some serious weight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, everybody loves Tron. She's fun.
Speaker 2: Talk to me a bit about the live show, because
Speaker 2: is it right that when you guys are performing, you
Speaker 2: don't you and your band never play the same set
Speaker 2: list twice.
Speaker 3: You kind of just you're a little bit more relaxed
Speaker 3: about things.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know you try to like change it
Speaker 4: up a lot, you know, you know, challenge each other
Speaker 4: a bit, change change time signatures sometimes, and you know,
Speaker 4: try to try to imply or try to interject in
Speaker 4: proversation as much as possible, you know, And yeah, but
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's like it's one of those
Speaker 4: things where we've been playing together for quite some time,
Speaker 4: so it's a bit of comfortable. It feels a bit
Speaker 4: comfortable to do it. You know, just change things up
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 2: Do you make this decisions before you go on stage
Speaker 2: or stage? And how have you been enjoying performing the
Speaker 2: material from Drunk?
Speaker 4: It's been fun, it's been intense, you know, like I
Speaker 4: have to sing a lot, you know. That's one thing
Speaker 4: that I'd never anticipated in life. You know, even over
Speaker 4: the last five years of like never gets old. Like
Speaker 4: it's tripping me out to know that I'm singing all
Speaker 4: the time. And I was like, what the hell, man,
Speaker 4: you know, but it's just part of it, so I
Speaker 4: just kind of I just go with it.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite guests that we've had on the
Speaker 2: podcast in the last few months was Fine I guess
Speaker 2: And we recorded an episode in an old cinema in
Speaker 2: not too far from here, actually a couple of streets away,
Speaker 2: Regent Street.
Speaker 3: It was because Stephen was showing.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 3: He was showing away, did you.
Speaker 2: I mean, first off, I mean, if people who have
Speaker 2: heard that episode of the podcast heard kind of both
Speaker 2: of us struggling to sort of describe that movie, do.
Speaker 3: You want to give it a go?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Yeah, I don't even know. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a difficult one, man. I honestly, you know, kind
Speaker 4: of threw me off there. I don't know how to
Speaker 4: describe that movie. It's just really intense.
Speaker 2: He was saying that he's I mean so to feel
Speaker 2: people and you've known each other probably about a decade
Speaker 2: or more, and that he's always wanted to make films
Speaker 2: as well as the Yeah, he's been kind of working
Speaker 2: on So how long have you I mean as sure
Speaker 2: as a kind of sort of close native is have
Speaker 2: you been talking about the ideas and been talking about
Speaker 2: this stuff that's coming to fruition now? But I bet
Speaker 2: it's gone back to conversations for years now.
Speaker 4: Right Man. It's mind blowing to see it coming to fruition.
Speaker 4: You know, It's like, you know, there were moments where,
Speaker 4: of course, you know, I know, you know Lotus's history
Speaker 4: with you know, film and stuff like that, and everything
Speaker 4: from that to him rapping his Captain Murphy was always
Speaker 4: a shock to me. You know, it was kind of
Speaker 4: like a little of a different facet of his character
Speaker 4: that he would never let on, you know, like you
Speaker 4: would never have known, You're like, no way, you know,
Speaker 4: and to see his first film, it's like it's fantastic.
Speaker 4: It honestly is. It's like, you know, we would talk
Speaker 4: every now and again about it, you know, and I
Speaker 4: feel like his uh, he influenced me in that manner
Speaker 4: a bit, because it's like I was a bit of
Speaker 4: a film buff, but not until I met Lotus. That dude.
Speaker 4: You know, he knows his film and to a major degree.
Speaker 4: It's like if it would affect me to you know,
Speaker 4: to to the way I would write music and stuff too.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's like I would have
Speaker 4: never thought that he would actually, you know, do it.
Speaker 4: And you know, the best way to describe it is,
Speaker 4: you know, don't underestimate Flying Lotus, you know. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: all you can That's that's how I can sum it up. Man.
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny that when he was trying
Speaker 2: to describe the movie because he had trouble himself because
Speaker 2: it is a it's kind of it's dark, it's kind
Speaker 2: of fut of dot humor, but it's also pretty much.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe maybe you've seen similar films, but I
Speaker 2: certainly haven't. It to me, it was something quite different
Speaker 2: and it's pretty gross.
Speaker 3: That's putting it very lightly. And he told me that
Speaker 3: his grandmother had been to see it, which I thought
Speaker 3: was just absolutely super.
Speaker 4: You got to take the family, You got to let
Speaker 4: them know how crazy you are. Exact you always have
Speaker 4: to ever reminder, like, don't forget I'm crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, it's definitely that when you I mean with
Speaker 2: going back, you know, you no notice for a number
Speaker 2: of years. And you mentioned there that until you met him,
Speaker 2: he was a he was a guy that could kind
Speaker 2: of score you in movies. You never even heard of
Speaker 2: what's the best recommendation you've ever had from a movie?
Speaker 3: From from Flying Night?
Speaker 4: Oh man, it was the day when he introduced me
Speaker 4: to old Boy. Okay, yeah, he's the one that turned
Speaker 4: me on an old boy, you know, And it was
Speaker 4: just mind blowing. It was funny because it's like it's
Speaker 4: like guys of a certain class, you know. It's like
Speaker 4: he's like, hey, you know, you need to go see
Speaker 4: this movie. And I was like what, you know, I
Speaker 4: was like, all right, sure, you know, and I watched
Speaker 4: it and I was like, oh my god. He was
Speaker 4: like right, and I was like yeah, and he was like,
Speaker 4: we just need more movies like that, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we need more movies like yeah.
Speaker 3: It's about opening for people haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: It's a Korean film, it's a it's a it's an
Speaker 4: amazing film, you know, it's a it's a revenge story.
Speaker 4: That's I wouldn't want to ruin it for anybody that
Speaker 4: hasn't seen it yet. But it's one of those things
Speaker 4: where it the twists are so hard in this movie
Speaker 4: that it just may give you whiplash. Man. It's it's
Speaker 4: it's it is intense, man, it's everything. It's violent, it's
Speaker 4: just everything you want to happen in a movie that
Speaker 4: you would be like, oh, that is cringe worthy. It's
Speaker 4: this is that movie, you know, and it's like, it's
Speaker 4: just got this amazing climactic moment in the movie. I
Speaker 4: just will just ruin your life.
Speaker 3: That is some recommendation.
Speaker 2: Did that kind of like turn you on to going
Speaker 2: and checking out other South Korean movies, like films made
Speaker 2: in that part of the world, that kind of genre
Speaker 2: that was at the start of, you know, a love
Speaker 2: affair with that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Well, I was always kind of, you know, into it
Speaker 4: myself to some degree. But you know a lot of
Speaker 4: the time, you know, recommendations are important from your friends,
Speaker 4: you know, and it just fed into it more, you know.
Speaker 4: I would start going into other places like Poland and
Speaker 4: Serbia and looking for movies there and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: It sparked my interest even more of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you're traveling playing music.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm sure it's difficult to often find the time,
Speaker 2: but can you if you're visiting Poland playing the show,
Speaker 2: or if you're in Tokyo, or if you're in Soul
Speaker 2: or something like that, do you try and kind of
Speaker 2: make a few hours to get out, get to the
Speaker 2: kind of local DVD store.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that that happened right before this interview. I
Speaker 4: just walked off. I just was like, oh, we're here. Bye.
Speaker 4: Pauls like where are you at? Where are you at?
Speaker 4: And I was like, I just walked off.
Speaker 3: Man, you know you could have seen something.
Speaker 4: Yeah. They're like, you know, you know, life is being
Speaker 4: lived and I will live it. Yeah, I always do.
Speaker 4: I always do. One thing that sucks THO is when
Speaker 4: you go to different places like that around the world.
Speaker 4: You know, all the different DVDs, they don't have the
Speaker 4: same region codes, and not everybody likes English, so they
Speaker 4: just don't put that as a subtitle option. So you
Speaker 4: just feel stupid, you know. I've had that happened way
Speaker 4: too many times. I'm like, I'm so excited because I'll
Speaker 4: go find a movie that I've been looking for and
Speaker 4: I find it and bring it home and I have
Speaker 4: I have a multi regional DVD player, but I put
Speaker 4: it in the DVD player and then there's no option
Speaker 4: for English at all, and it's just like wow, you know,
Speaker 4: it's like these are terrible people. But you know again,
Speaker 4: you know, no, I guess nobody's expecting, you know, to
Speaker 4: reach that market or so yeah, you know, but you
Speaker 4: you know again, you know, you just just wait patience,
Speaker 4: and it winds up coming around.
Speaker 2: Where's absolute kind of nirvana for you? Is it when
Speaker 2: you go in somewhere like Tokyo, Because obviously there's a
Speaker 2: track on drunk that's cool. Tokyo it's an amazing place.
Speaker 2: Japan's a fantastic country. When you look at the list
Speaker 2: of all the places you're going to, kind of visit
Speaker 2: this year. When you see Tokyo on there, do you
Speaker 2: sort of get a buzz about being able to go
Speaker 2: back to that place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I freaking love Tokyo, man I do. I don't know,
Speaker 4: It's just I've been gone there for years and years,
Speaker 4: you know, from my youth up until now, and it
Speaker 4: never gets old. I get excited every time, you know,
Speaker 4: just the thought of what could be there, or what
Speaker 4: they've been hiding, or what they've been working on, or
Speaker 4: you know, what's new. You know, seeing new faces, and
Speaker 4: you know, it changes every time you go. Somebody may
Speaker 4: recognize you, maybe they don't, you know what everybody's like.
Speaker 4: It's just it's it's just beautiful. One thing that's really
Speaker 4: cool I remember about Tokyo was I remember I got
Speaker 4: a chance to go see it when it was all
Speaker 4: lit up. You know, they had all the lights blazing
Speaker 4: and all that stuff, and I think for the sake
Speaker 4: of energy and you know, conserving energy or something like that,
Speaker 4: they would cut the lights off. So there's part of
Speaker 4: there's probably people that are going now that don't get
Speaker 4: a chance to see Tokyo the way it used to be,
Speaker 4: where it was like all lit up like Las Vegas.
Speaker 4: You know, everything was flashing and neon lights and TVs everywhere.
Speaker 4: I remember it was just like intense and it just
Speaker 4: never it's never changed, you know. I go out there
Speaker 4: with with the excitement of what's new every time?
Speaker 3: Do you go with an empty suitcase and just fill
Speaker 3: it with like.
Speaker 4: Yeah and yeah? Well I learned not to try to
Speaker 4: do it with the DVDs. You know. That's the thing
Speaker 4: I'm saying. You get out there and they just intentionally
Speaker 4: don't put English. They'll put like Chinese and like Spanish,
Speaker 4: but then it would be like who Spanish is gonna
Speaker 4: watch this? Like who is gonna make it all the
Speaker 4: way over here? You're just your mind's blowing it why
Speaker 4: it won't be English translation? But they just will not
Speaker 4: put English translation. That could be a slight, you know,
Speaker 4: that could be a little bit of a slight. You know.
Speaker 4: I'm paying attention to Japan, but it is one of
Speaker 4: those things that's like, you know, I do go there,
Speaker 4: you know, and I just wind up coming home with
Speaker 4: the extra suitcase or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Stuart, who also sometimes does this podcast, went recently and
Speaker 2: he came back with a number of like little gadgets
Speaker 2: and things like that, but also the miniatures they did
Speaker 2: kind of they make everyday objects, but just the miniature
Speaker 2: and you can get.
Speaker 3: Them from the kind of like.
Speaker 2: Lockers in like the tube station, and you can get
Speaker 2: a very small version of a I don't know, not
Speaker 2: something like traditionally like a very tiny pineapple.
Speaker 4: Yeah, desk pineapple, Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is he a home like back home in.
Speaker 4: No, not so much of a not so much of
Speaker 4: a little knick knack thing, but it's more like things
Speaker 4: and like you know, pieces of clothing or like stuff
Speaker 4: like that, like rare pieces of clothing or or like
Speaker 4: you know, I mean there was like one time I
Speaker 4: brought home this umbrella that was literally I didn't realize
Speaker 4: how collectible it was until my little brother broke it
Speaker 4: because he was an idiot, and you know, he's holding
Speaker 4: it again it's the wind and it popped one of
Speaker 4: the things, and I tried to get it replaced, and
Speaker 4: then trying to get it replaced, I found out that
Speaker 4: it was a rare and collectible like like it was
Speaker 4: like more than like a little cool little thing. It
Speaker 4: was like there's only like fifty of them made, and
Speaker 4: they were like at one point on display somewhere and
Speaker 4: I was like, I couldn't believe my little brother Boke.
Speaker 4: Nobody could fix it. And it's just to this day,
Speaker 4: I could just punch my brother's front teeth out. It
Speaker 4: was from Japan, you know, but yeah, it was literally
Speaker 4: I get to just spit on my brother. You know,
Speaker 4: I still this day, I could just punch him right
Speaker 4: in his mouth for that umbrella that you broke at
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Anyway, but I tend to look for
Speaker 4: things that are that are a bit sentimental for you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, just for different things. You know,
Speaker 4: I do have, you know, like certain purposes when I
Speaker 4: go looking for stuff. You know, it's not just all
Speaker 4: cool I found a little No, it's like go to Akihabra,
Speaker 4: you go to the Nike, you go to the Nike store,
Speaker 4: you know, go to Gundam Cafe. You know, I'm not
Speaker 4: so much a horror yuku guy. You know. It's like
Speaker 4: I do enjoy it, but it's like just more so
Speaker 4: enjoy the things that are not so touristy there, that
Speaker 4: are more like their actual things. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're obviously a kind of fan of film, but
Speaker 2: growing up was music the total dominant force in kind
Speaker 2: of family life.
Speaker 4: It was mostly music. I think music income embodies like
Speaker 4: a lot of different parts of culture a lot of
Speaker 4: the time too, but for the majority of it was music.
Speaker 4: I was also a bit of a visual artist, but yeah,
Speaker 4: the main influence now is music. You know, families are
Speaker 4: family all musicians.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned the visual side of things because I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about the artwork for Drunk, which,
Speaker 2: from to my mind, is absolutely superb for people. Hopefully
Speaker 2: I've seen this, but the cover features yourself kind of
Speaker 2: submerged and you can only see a little bit of
Speaker 2: your face. But it seems to have gone down particularly
Speaker 2: well with a lot of your kind of fans because
Speaker 2: they've gone out and made their own versions of it.
Speaker 3: Have you seen some of those?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty funny. It's pretty funny, you know, which
Speaker 4: is something At one point I was wondering when am
Speaker 4: I going to get to check from it. I was like,
Speaker 4: this is insane, But it kind of worked out in
Speaker 4: my favor a bit. You know, it was like, oh cool,
Speaker 4: and that part of me just believes that that was
Speaker 4: not coincidence, you know, but you know, I would retweet
Speaker 4: them when they would do it, you know, or you know,
Speaker 4: you know, like the photos and stuff. But I felt like,
Speaker 4: am I like supporting Instagram or am I promoting my album?
Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going on, but it was funny.
Speaker 4: I like when people get creative with it and make
Speaker 4: it terrible too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a mixture of like abilities going on, should
Speaker 2: we say to be fat?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, it's pretty fun.
Speaker 2: That day when you when you capture the image for
Speaker 2: the record, tell me about that, because it looks like
Speaker 2: you're in a kind of Amazonian like swamp or something.
Speaker 4: Isn't it. It's basically flying lotus of swimming pool Amazonian swamp.
Speaker 4: I hope, I wish you heard that. Well here it's
Speaker 4: a weird swamp thing, is like, yeah, it was a
Speaker 4: swimming pool. Yeah no, that was definitely a swimming pool.
Speaker 4: And you were just trying to find something, you know,
Speaker 4: capture something that was a that, you know, the worth
Speaker 4: one thousand words thing, you know, and it's one of
Speaker 4: those things. Eddie Alcazar, I think is is really good
Speaker 4: at that, you know. And we were in the pool
Speaker 4: for quite some time or not we I was in
Speaker 4: the pool, you know, until I started shriveling up and everything,
Speaker 4: you know, and at first I didn't see it. I
Speaker 4: didn't understand. I was like, you know, the whole concept
Speaker 4: of being drunk and being the water always kind of
Speaker 4: makes sense, but I think there was a bit more
Speaker 4: to capture, and it's like when I saw the whole
Speaker 4: real back, I was just kind of like I didn't
Speaker 4: you know, I couldn't see it at first, you know,
Speaker 4: I was like, ohn't no, it's just me struggling in water.
Speaker 4: And then there's this one moment that he finds where
Speaker 4: it's just a bit calm but eerie calmness, and I'm
Speaker 4: just like shesh. You know, it blew my mind to
Speaker 4: see it, you know. He's like, what do you think
Speaker 4: about this one? It's like, oh my god. You know,
Speaker 4: I was like like I couldn't imagine, like even trying
Speaker 4: to think what I was thinking in the moment of
Speaker 4: catching that was weird for me. I was like, I
Speaker 4: don't even know what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like what I think.
Speaker 4: I was like lost for a second. I was genuinely
Speaker 4: in the photo, just like what is going on right now?
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a mixture of sort of inquisitiveness
Speaker 2: and sort of almost surprise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like just full on just you know, daft,
Speaker 4: just you know, kind of just in between worlds a bit,
Speaker 4: and when the funny thing is everything from the eyebrows
Speaker 4: to the little bubble. It was just, you know, I
Speaker 4: think it was the right photo. It turned out being
Speaker 4: the right one.
Speaker 2: You know, we've talked about your love film. What about
Speaker 2: things like video games?
Speaker 3: Intervideos?
Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm always I've always got my mind on
Speaker 4: video games. Man, it's so crazy watching some like watching
Speaker 4: like the I don't even know what to call it, man,
Speaker 4: Like you know, I'm a guy that's been playing games
Speaker 4: for good lord, since I don't even I think more
Speaker 4: than twenty years.
Speaker 3: What was your first console?
Speaker 4: Oh man, Nintendo?
Speaker 3: Yeah, classic. We always an god rather than say well.
Speaker 4: I had both, Okay, there you go. That's the difference,
Speaker 4: all right, there you go, And and I had Super Nintendo.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like it's one of those things where it's,
Speaker 4: you know, it's crazy watching like the weird part of
Speaker 4: it where it's like it's hard to get enthusiastic sometimes
Speaker 4: about them, knowing that they're just going to be this
Speaker 4: mountain of just insanity. You at the climb, you know,
Speaker 4: and they keep you know, it's really nice when they
Speaker 4: when somebody you know makes a platform that's really cool.
Speaker 4: But then sometimes it's so it's too much, you know,
Speaker 4: like you know, I hate to say it, but like granted,
Speaker 4: Metal Gear Solid Last Metal Gear was just like I
Speaker 4: gave up. I was like I can't do this, man,
Speaker 4: And it was like then you hear the story behind
Speaker 4: what happened with it, and then you're like, you know,
Speaker 4: you're not tripping like today, Kojima in a you know,
Speaker 4: I think it's acclaim Kojima and yeah they split or whatever,
Speaker 4: and it was like the game being made was meant
Speaker 4: to be like this full on, you know, perpetual insanity,
Speaker 4: and it was just like I knew it, like I
Speaker 4: hated it, but like nonetheless, you know, I still get
Speaker 4: very excited about video games, you know. You know, I
Speaker 4: just bought another PlayStation. I bought the Terraby PlayStation so
Speaker 4: I can get to the games faster. But I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, I was checking out the Nintendo Switch and
Speaker 4: I don't know yet. Man, I'm waiting because I never
Speaker 4: was a Zelda fan and there was never a selling
Speaker 4: point for me, even though I do like Zelda, you know,
Speaker 4: it's like, I don't They're gonna have to impress me
Speaker 4: with the Nintendo Switch. You know. It's like I bought
Speaker 4: the Weiu. I love the Weu. You know, but it's
Speaker 4: just again, it's just you know, I definitely games are
Speaker 4: always on my mind. I'm like, should I buy another
Speaker 4: game in console? And I'm like, no, they're just messing
Speaker 4: with you now, you know. It's like at this point,
Speaker 4: they're just making stuff to keep things afloat as compared
Speaker 4: to coming out with new good stuff. Though. The last
Speaker 4: good game I did play, though, was a Resident Evil.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Resident Evil. Oh my gosh, that game
Speaker 4: is beautiful. That game is beautiful. Me and Lotus had
Speaker 4: been waiting for that game for ages. We were like,
Speaker 4: you see the previews, You're like, oh my god, this
Speaker 4: is gonna be intense. It's gonna be intense. And we
Speaker 4: finally downloaded, you know, and then you can have the
Speaker 4: option to play it in VR. And it was the
Speaker 4: best moment on this planet. When Lotus calls me and
Speaker 4: he just calls me, and I'm like, what's up, man,
Speaker 4: He's like nothing, just kind of you know, chilling playing
Speaker 4: video games. And I was like, okay, I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, well, I'm dude having fun. It's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I'm totally having fun, you know. But he's talking to
Speaker 4: me and I'm like it sounds like he's kind of stalling.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what's going on here, man? And he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I'm just playing Resident Evil in VR. And I was like,
Speaker 4: oh god, it's really scaring you is And he's like yeah,
Speaker 4: he's come up and yeah, he was like, you gotta
Speaker 4: come over here, dude, this is too intense for you.
Speaker 4: I need to be in some reality for a second.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that that game is that that's the last
Speaker 4: you know. And of course there's always the classics, like
Speaker 4: Mortal Kombat. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote a.
Speaker 4: Song and it's got Mortal Kombat in it. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like a little Mortal Kombat waiting for teching, you
Speaker 4: know all that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, you're a fan of the kind of like
Speaker 2: first player action thing or do you like like sports games?
Speaker 4: I hate sports games? Yeah, okay, yeah, you can't be
Speaker 4: a fan of both. I don't think it exists. I
Speaker 4: think guys that play sports games are too attached to reality,
Speaker 4: so they it's like a gambling problem. You know, it's
Speaker 4: like it's like a person that is like, oh, you
Speaker 4: just can't you can't play, you can't go and you
Speaker 4: can't fantasize anything. You just have to see reality all
Speaker 4: the time. You know, it's got to be it's gotta
Speaker 4: be like, you know, real life, only play back. I
Speaker 4: watch basketball and then I played basketball. You know, there's
Speaker 4: no fantasy to do it at all, you know. But
Speaker 4: I mean there's some people that do play out play
Speaker 4: at all. But you know, I am not a fan
Speaker 4: of sports games, not at all.
Speaker 3: What about the very originals because I win I recently.
Speaker 4: There's NBA Jam, NBA Jam that was fun.
Speaker 3: I don't think. I think I did play.
Speaker 4: NBA Jam was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we like I think the Britiship said has always
Speaker 2: been with like the soccer games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, FIFA exactly.
Speaker 3: FIFA and pro evolution soccer.
Speaker 4: I think I played FIFA one time. Somebody tried to
Speaker 4: get me into it. You know. I was out here
Speaker 4: for a conference at one point for something and it
Speaker 4: was actually during the well yeah, no, no, no, it was
Speaker 4: for the It was I was in Paris when the
Speaker 4: shootings happened and we were trapped in the place where
Speaker 4: we were so after I destroyed everybody in Mortal Kombat,
Speaker 4: I was like, no, let's play something different, you know.
Speaker 4: So the guy busts out FIFA and I'm just like boom,
Speaker 4: you know, like this is a trash, and so he goes, no, man,
Speaker 4: you just gotta you know, you gotta check it out,
Speaker 4: give it a second. So I'm playing and I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm looking at how long it takes to
Speaker 4: get a goal. I'm just like, this is just absurd.
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't do this, but I gave
Speaker 4: it a try. For the record, I did give FIFA
Speaker 4: a try.
Speaker 2: I tried to find my original Naz in the attic
Speaker 2: at my parents' house recently, and it broke my heart.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find it.
Speaker 4: You know, your parents already, you know, they get rid
Speaker 4: of it as soon as they think you're not looking.
Speaker 2: I know, they really pocketed, like the kind of twenty
Speaker 2: quid they got for it, like fifteen years.
Speaker 4: The guy good lord, not realizing that it's like a
Speaker 4: valuable article of history history, you know. But uh, you
Speaker 4: know again, I'm just again, if you're a gamer, you are.
Speaker 4: If you aren't, you aren't. It's just that's just what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 2: I've got fun memories of I mean obviously the like
Speaker 2: original Super Marios, but.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, I mean so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then even games like I mean it's so
Speaker 2: kind of when you go back now, like pretty rudimentary,
Speaker 2: like Duck.
Speaker 4: They're still hard as hell. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they're harder
Speaker 4: than most of the games we play now, which is
Speaker 4: really interesting. That's the thing I was telling you about
Speaker 4: where it's like you just realize the video games like, hmm,
Speaker 4: this is weird. You know, It's like I'm in, I'm
Speaker 4: i in like some weird you know, Perpetual Groundhogs Day
Speaker 4: of Weirdness or these games you know, like actually good,
Speaker 4: you know, like you're looking for that, you know, because
Speaker 4: it's like you're saying, like those games are hard, they
Speaker 4: were not easy to play.
Speaker 3: Are you fully on board with the whole VR thing?
Speaker 4: Do you think you're gonna get to it? I was
Speaker 4: on it a while ago, a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you think it's kind of I mean,
Speaker 2: I've not had a chance to give it a go yet.
Speaker 2: So what just does is it completely fully immersive? Is
Speaker 2: it like, does it take gameplay to a whole different level?
Speaker 4: It does but you have to. You know, it's just something,
Speaker 4: a new learning curve. You just have to get used
Speaker 4: to it. You know, could knock you off your equilibrium
Speaker 4: a bit, you know, if you're not careful, and if
Speaker 4: you're in it for too long, you know, you take
Speaker 4: the glasses off, you're like, whoa, you know, but it's great, man,
Speaker 4: it's great. I've never experienced anything like VR, and it's fun.
Speaker 4: You know. You know, at some point I'm hoping they'll
Speaker 4: be able to make it a little more comfortable, you know,
Speaker 4: but you know, even if they don't, it's what it is.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's its own separate gaming experience, and to
Speaker 4: have the option is more important than anything.
Speaker 2: You know. We talked about flying that it's in his
Speaker 2: like ultimate ambition to go out and want to make
Speaker 2: a film. He's always wanted to make a film, like
Speaker 2: he's for years and years since he studied university. But
Speaker 2: what about yourself in terms of like, I mean, it
Speaker 2: sounds like pretty passionate about video games.
Speaker 4: You know, No, I don't want to make a video game.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: Nah.
Speaker 3: If they've had an idea for a video game, I
Speaker 3: mean I have.
Speaker 4: Moments where I wish they would bring certain types of
Speaker 4: gaming back, like you know, Siphon Filter or like Tenche
Speaker 4: Stealth Assassin. You know, but uh, I don't now, I've
Speaker 4: never been, you know, into the idea of me. I've
Speaker 4: always thought about you know, music for video games of course,
Speaker 4: you know, and.
Speaker 3: If you kind of have you done anything like that
Speaker 3: in the past.
Speaker 4: Well, there was Grand Theft Auto. Yeah, me and Lotis
Speaker 4: you know were involved in that, and they had the
Speaker 4: radio station with fly Lo FM, you know, and he'll
Speaker 4: play music and stuff. I think that's the coolest thing
Speaker 4: that has ever happened in the video game ever too.
Speaker 4: That will go down in history as one of the
Speaker 4: coolest video games to ever exist. Grand Theft at five unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 4: hands down. Shout out to Rockstar games Man.
Speaker 2: Is that the like, I mean pretty mu an impossible question.
Speaker 2: It's like asking somebody what their favorite album of all
Speaker 2: time is? But is I mean, is that in.
Speaker 4: That the games?
Speaker 3: Is that the game? Is that the king of games?
Speaker 3: Is that the all time?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I gotta say yeah, Especially when they made it
Speaker 4: like La La, It was like I was like I
Speaker 4: would do it like you get caught up and you know,
Speaker 4: you would get caught up before playing the game and
Speaker 4: just going around on killing Spreeze and stuff. But now
Speaker 4: it's like you don't even have away want to kill anybody.
Speaker 4: You just want to get a dope car and like
Speaker 4: drive around l A and go to the strip club
Speaker 4: and just literally just vibe out to like fly low
Speaker 4: fl like like you would normally do during the week.
Speaker 3: I remember that really might because you did.
Speaker 2: You would just like kind of always like Ar'm down,
Speaker 2: just like, oh, actually stopped playing this game technically like
Speaker 2: five minutes ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you're just in your car like doing
Speaker 4: the same thing that you were doing in the video game.
Speaker 4: And then the night progresses and you do the same thing,
Speaker 4: and then you can I'm back to playing the game,
Speaker 4: and it's like wait, like wait a minute, and I
Speaker 4: still am I the game? Yeah, but yeah, grand Theft
Speaker 4: Auto I think we'll go down in history is one
Speaker 4: of the best, if not the best platforms.
Speaker 2: I went to talk for just quickly about Drunk, the
Speaker 2: album you've recently put out, because among all of the
Speaker 2: guests that you've got appearing on that record, one of
Speaker 2: them stood out.
Speaker 3: For me, and that was Kenny Loggins. Hey, how was it? Like,
Speaker 3: how is it welcomed with Kenny Logan, King of Soundtracks.
Speaker 4: Kenny is the man, dude, Like, oh, I'll say it once,
Speaker 4: I say it again. Kenny is the man. You know.
Speaker 4: He's just you know, he's been around forever, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's that's one thing that like I think resonates
Speaker 4: more than anything. You know, most people fade to black
Speaker 4: or just disappear in obscurity.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Kenny's like been there the same person, I think, the
Speaker 4: whole time. And I think that was proof of it
Speaker 4: by them working together with me.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like there's I talked to Kenny every now and again,
Speaker 4: you know. And the funny thing is he's like he
Speaker 4: shies away from like being involved in like events sometimes,
Speaker 4: but I understand it, you know, because it's like he's
Speaker 4: been around for decades. Like he's been around literally, you know,
Speaker 4: before I was born, and you know, he you know,
Speaker 4: he's just you know, I think he just tries to
Speaker 4: do things that mean something to him. I think, and
Speaker 4: I think that when I think it posed a challenge
Speaker 4: to work with me, you know, I think that that's
Speaker 4: what made him want to do it. Every time I
Speaker 4: look back on the song, it just kind of like
Speaker 4: I smile because it's like, you know, it's just I
Speaker 4: remember the process and I remember, you know, the feeling
Speaker 4: you know that I experienced when I realized like I'm
Speaker 4: sitting here riding with Kenny log AND's Michael McDonald, you know,
Speaker 4: and I was just like if I could do anything,
Speaker 4: if I could ever like when we look back and
Speaker 4: be like, oh, I said, there was that one moment
Speaker 4: you know it exists.
Speaker 3: That does that rank among the great kind of thunder
Speaker 3: cap Yeah?
Speaker 4: Absolute lutely? Man, absolutely did you.
Speaker 3: Find yourself kind of like being a fan with him
Speaker 3: when you first Man.
Speaker 4: And I just kind of like I had to try
Speaker 4: to find the balance because it was like, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, he would like ask my opinion, and I
Speaker 4: would just be like, whatever you say, Kenny, whatever you
Speaker 4: say goes, and I would have to like stop myself.
Speaker 4: I'd be like, wait, let me just take a second.
Speaker 4: I'll go to the bathroom and be right back, you know.
Speaker 4: And I go and like try to gather my thoughts,
Speaker 4: and I come back like I think it's a great idea,
Speaker 4: but you know, maybe we could.
Speaker 3: Try to you know, just like calm this out. Yeah
Speaker 3: here for a reason, let me just.
Speaker 4: Go smash my toe with a brick or something.
Speaker 3: Son the Thank you very much for joining us on
Speaker 3: Midnight Chats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I feel like I should go and play Grand Theft
Speaker 3: Auto for the next week.
Speaker 4: Hey man, we did it all the American part of
Speaker 4: the tour. Man is it's just how old is that now?
Speaker 4: I think it's like four years old or something, maybe
Speaker 4: even get more. Yeah, that game it's still just as dope.
Speaker 4: It was crazy. We started from the beginning and everything,
Speaker 4: and it was like me and body Math and Justin Didnis.
Speaker 4: We were just sitting there like, WHOA. This game is intense.
Speaker 4: It just it just doesn't lose its luster. Man.
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