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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
Speaker 3: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. It was
Speaker 3: May sixteenth, twenty sixteen. My friend Darla and I checked
Speaker 3: into our room at the Arthur Finley College, located in Stanstead,
Speaker 3: just north of London. The sign outside the estate says
Speaker 3: Arthur Finley College, the world's foremost college for the advancement
Speaker 3: of psychic studies. Darla and I were there to take
Speaker 3: a course in mediumship. I had myself all worked up
Speaker 3: for the many months before we traveled there, not knowing
Speaker 3: what I was in for. The Arthur Finley College some
Speaker 3: call Hogwarts, of course, where Harry Potter studied. It's a
Speaker 3: very old estate, beautiful grounds filled with the history of spiritualism. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's right, those who speak to the dead. It's a
Speaker 3: beautiful old state. It feels a little spooky inside the
Speaker 3: age of the building, the library of spiritualism, and just
Speaker 3: knowing the history of some of the greatest mediums of
Speaker 3: all time trained there. Even much of the history of
Speaker 3: spiritualism began there. Who was Arthur Finley? He was born
Speaker 3: May sixteenth, eighteen eighty three. Isn't that interesting the first
Speaker 3: day I stepped foot in there haha. And he passed
Speaker 3: July twenty fourth, nineteen sixty four. He was a writer, accountant, stockbroker,
Speaker 3: and Essex magistrate. His life was turned upside down when
Speaker 3: he realized the reality of the afterlife and witnessed some
Speaker 3: pretty incredible things, and he himself is one of the
Speaker 3: most significant figures in the history of spiritualism. He was
Speaker 3: part founder of the newspaper The Psychic News and also
Speaker 3: founder of the International Institute for Psychical Research. When he died,
Speaker 3: he left his home, which is called Stansteed Hall, to
Speaker 3: the Spiritualists' National Union. Now what happened to him that
Speaker 3: made him leave his entire fortune to the study of
Speaker 3: psychic sciences? He's not here right now to tell us
Speaker 3: his story, but I do have his book on the
Speaker 3: Edge of the Etheric and thought we could meet him together. Now,
Speaker 3: what happened to Darla and I? Oh, we had such
Speaker 3: a wonderful time. If you ever have an opportunity to
Speaker 3: take a course at the Arthur Finley College, go do it.
Speaker 3: In fact, one of my big dreams is to rent
Speaker 3: out the whole place and have a conference where we
Speaker 3: can all meet, have medium classes and you can see
Speaker 3: our tutors Carrie phil Scott Milligan and others demonstrate in person.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be great? The Arthur Finley College, you can
Speaker 3: think of it as a retreat center. It's not a
Speaker 3: formal college like you think people go for four years
Speaker 3: in study. Rather, they have different guest mediums come in
Speaker 3: from time to time and you can take a four
Speaker 3: day class or a class for seven days. Room and
Speaker 3: board is included. You get to attend spiritualist services and meditations.
Speaker 3: It's a great place. We enjoyed ourselves so much that
Speaker 3: I've actually been back there four times. It's well known
Speaker 3: that spiritualism got its start in America, moved its way
Speaker 3: over to England where it became readily available to people
Speaker 3: in that country. Some of the great minds like Arthur
Speaker 3: finni in, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and many of the
Speaker 3: doctors and scientists of the day all got involved with
Speaker 3: studying this so called spiritualism. In preparing for our episode today,
Speaker 3: I also found that Winston Churchill was involved in spiritualism.
Speaker 3: I found an article that said there would be no
Speaker 3: Arthur Finlay College if it weren't for Sir Winston Churchill.
Speaker 3: Many people don't know that it was Churchill who established
Speaker 3: the Spiritualist church. He was a great believer in the
Speaker 3: afterlife and psychic abilities. Throughout history, seers and psychics have
Speaker 3: struggled to remove the veil of suspicion of its origins
Speaker 3: being dark or sinister. Churchill normalized contact with spirit and
Speaker 3: psychic mediumship. Therefore, spiritualism thrived and was established as a
Speaker 3: religion in Great Britain. Connecting to spirit was recognized as
Speaker 3: mainstream relevant science. That's awesome doing the research on Arthur Finley.
Speaker 3: He was only forty years old when he gave up
Speaker 3: his job as a stockbroker and dedicated his life to
Speaker 3: the research of spiritualism and psychical research. In nineteen fourteen,
Speaker 3: the First World War swept like a dark wave over
Speaker 3: the world. This flooded Europe with great shock of death, desperation, grief,
Speaker 3: sorrow and pain. And during this time Arthur Finley worked
Speaker 3: for the Red Cross and offered his residence, which is
Speaker 3: Stanstad Hall, for injured soldiers for recovery. The tragedies of
Speaker 3: the First World War brought Arthur Finley back to his
Speaker 3: interest in spiritualism and the reoccurring questions about life after death.
Speaker 3: You see, as a young man, he was fascinated about
Speaker 3: different world religions and philosophies. In nineteen nineteen, he met
Speaker 3: the medium John Sloane in Scotland. This meeting changed the
Speaker 3: life of Arthur Finley forever. John Sloane was a poor,
Speaker 3: not well educated man who discovered that he was able
Speaker 3: to be a direct voice medium. When Arthur Finley came
Speaker 3: to one of Sloane's demonstrations with a rather skeptical attitude.
Speaker 3: He could not believe what had happened. Sloane was able
Speaker 3: to speak to those who had already passed over and
Speaker 3: receive messages from them. When Arthur Finley realized that everything
Speaker 3: Sloane said to the sitter was actually true, his interest
Speaker 3: was sparked, and he started to visit Sloane again and
Speaker 3: again on a regular basis to investigate his ability. A
Speaker 3: strong friendship developed between the two, and here is a
Speaker 3: quote from Arthur Finley. Death, I am told, is as
Speaker 3: easy and as simple as going to sleep and then awakening.
Speaker 3: Our etheric body slips out of the physical body, carrying
Speaker 3: the mind with it, and we awake to our new
Speaker 3: surroundings to find our friends and relations ready to help
Speaker 3: and instruct us in our new life. Death is simply
Speaker 3: the severance of the etheric body or structure from the
Speaker 3: physical body. The physical body returns to the Earth, and
Speaker 3: the etheric body, controlled by the mind, continues to function
Speaker 3: in the etheric world. I wholeheartedly recommend you pick up
Speaker 3: a copy of On the Edge of the Etheric Boy,
Speaker 3: Arthur Finley. I'm going to recommend that you pretend this
Speaker 3: is his voice telling you the story In nineteen eighteen,
Speaker 3: my wife became seriously ill and had to be removed
Speaker 3: to a nursing home in Glasgow, where she had an
Speaker 3: operation from which she recovered and was fortunately none the
Speaker 3: worse To be near her. I stayed in Glasgow, and
Speaker 3: when sitting with her one Sunday evening, I remarked that
Speaker 3: I would like some fresh air and would go out
Speaker 3: for a stroll. Little did I think what that walk
Speaker 3: would mean to me, but it was the beginning of
Speaker 3: an entire change in my mental outlook on life and death.
Speaker 3: I sauntered down one street and up another, rather aimlessly,
Speaker 3: to pass a church with the name Spiritualist Church prominently
Speaker 3: displayed in the foreground. I stopped to see what it
Speaker 3: looked like, as I did not remember having seen it before,
Speaker 3: and I was unaware that such a denomination existed. What
Speaker 3: little I knew of spiritualism was contained in a book
Speaker 3: my wife had recently been given, and which to me,
Speaker 3: by a casual glance, seemed too fantastic for serious thought.
Speaker 3: I threw it aside as not worth reading. And now
Speaker 3: that Sunday evening I was facing the entrance to a
Speaker 3: Spiritualist church, why not enter and see what it is
Speaker 3: like inside? I thought, and this I did. A service
Speaker 3: was going on and the speaker was telling the congregation
Speaker 3: of some wonderful things he had experienced. I sat down
Speaker 3: and listened, and when the service was over, I went
Speaker 3: up to him, and this is what I said. Do
Speaker 3: you really expect me to believe what you said tonight?
Speaker 3: It may have gone down with some simple minded people
Speaker 3: who listen to you, but do you expect a rational
Speaker 3: thinker to accept as true what you said? Can you
Speaker 3: prove it to me? I have from time to time
Speaker 3: challenged a parson with questions and have received a reply
Speaker 3: such as no, I can prove nothing. But that is
Speaker 3: where faith comes in. You must believe and not doubt.
Speaker 3: The spiritualist whom I now challenged, said exactly the opposite,
Speaker 3: to the effect that I could not be expected to
Speaker 3: believe without proof. Proof is essential, he continued, and what
Speaker 3: spiritualists believe has come from experience. All claims made by
Speaker 3: spiritualists can be proved, and if you want to have proof,
Speaker 3: you have to get it. How, I inquired by going
Speaker 3: to a medium? He answered, Can you take me to one?
Speaker 3: I asked, yes, tomorrow night, if that is convenient to you,
Speaker 3: He replied that reply appealed to me, and I accepted
Speaker 3: his offer. So it was arranged that the following night
Speaker 3: I would meet him at seven o'clock at the corner
Speaker 3: of North Frederick Street and George Street, where he would
Speaker 3: take me to a seance, which was held every Monday
Speaker 3: evening in a house nearby. When I returned and told
Speaker 3: my wife where I was about to go, she wondered
Speaker 3: if it was a wise thing to do. To go
Speaker 3: with a strange man to a strange house seemed to
Speaker 3: her taking an unjustifiable risk. But she raised no objection
Speaker 3: and I kept the appointment next day exactly as arranged.
Speaker 3: This is a good time for us to take our break,
Speaker 3: and when we come back, I will continue reading about
Speaker 3: Arthur Finley's first mediumistic experience that changed his life and
Speaker 3: my life as well, for I would not be telling
Speaker 3: you this story if he did not take those first steps.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 3: and did you know we all owe Arthur Finley a
Speaker 3: big thank you. If you've ever had a reading by
Speaker 3: a medium, it can all be traced back to Arthur
Speaker 3: Finley and the Arthur Finley College. You see, longtime medium
Speaker 3: Gordon Higginson not only revived the college, but it's his
Speaker 3: teachings that most of the world's medium's reading style hails
Speaker 3: from the good mediums. That is. You can hear more
Speaker 3: about that on episode ninety with Martin Twycross. So let's
Speaker 3: continue reading about Arthur Finley's first medium experience. On Monday,
Speaker 3: the twentieth of September nineteen eighteen, the pastor of the
Speaker 3: Spiritualist Church and I met at the arranged place and
Speaker 3: walked along a quiet street to a house, the entrance
Speaker 3: to which was by a passage. He told me we
Speaker 3: were going to the house of John Sloane, who was
Speaker 3: a medium. We entered the passage and my unknown guide
Speaker 3: knocked at the door on the right hand side. It
Speaker 3: was opened and we were ushered into a small room
Speaker 3: in which ten people all sitting on chairs in a circle.
Speaker 3: The light was on and talking was general. A man
Speaker 3: was playing a hymn on a harmonium. We were both
Speaker 3: given seats in the circle, and no introductions were made.
Speaker 3: All that was said by my guide was a remark
Speaker 3: to the man at the harmonium that he had brought
Speaker 3: someone with him. That was all, by the way, a
Speaker 3: harmonium is like an organ. My guide did not know
Speaker 3: my name, I did not know his, and the rest
Speaker 3: of the people were all complete strangers to me. I
Speaker 3: put them down as belonging to what is called the
Speaker 3: working class. Nice, kindly, decent people who gave me a
Speaker 3: very friendly welcome. The man at the harmonium then said
Speaker 3: it was time to start, and he switched off the light.
Speaker 3: A hymn was played and sung, and then another, but
Speaker 3: before it ended, the organist turned around and took his
Speaker 3: place in the circle. Shortly after this, a man's loud
Speaker 3: voice spoke right in front of my right hand neighbor,
Speaker 3: I heard everything said and the name it gave. The
Speaker 3: conversation being an intimate one between my female neighbor and
Speaker 3: this voice. She had evidently spoken to the voice before
Speaker 3: and took it all quietly and naturally. The voice seemed
Speaker 3: to know everything of importance she had done since the
Speaker 3: last conversation, and ended with love and the promise to
Speaker 3: be back again at the next seance. When the voice
Speaker 3: had finished speaking, she calmly announced to everyone that she
Speaker 3: had been speaking to her husband, whom I took to
Speaker 3: be dead. This went on for three hours, dozens of
Speaker 3: voices speaking to different people, men's voices, women's voice, children's voices,
Speaker 3: all of which I was told came from people called dead.
Speaker 3: A woman's voice spoke to a man sitting on my left.
Speaker 3: It gave a name and referred to happenings at his home.
Speaker 3: It specially referred to Tom, who was giving his father trouble,
Speaker 3: and then came advice as to how he should be
Speaker 3: dealt with. Intimate family matters were discussed between my neighbor
Speaker 3: and this female voice, and finally, with love, it said goodbye.
Speaker 3: That was my wife. He whispered to me. I never
Speaker 3: come here, but she comes back. To me, she always
Speaker 3: knows everything that goes on at home. I was now
Speaker 3: beginning to feel that I was the only one to
Speaker 3: be omitted from the strange medley of conversation which seemed
Speaker 3: to go on and on without stopping. Everything said was
Speaker 3: claimed to be correct, and I wondered how it was
Speaker 3: possible for any human being to be so intimate with
Speaker 3: all the dead friends, friends, and the private doings of
Speaker 3: the sitters as to be able to impersonate their deceased
Speaker 3: relations in the way that was taking place. Not only
Speaker 3: did the imagined impersonator know intimately about their dead friends
Speaker 3: and relations, but every voice was different, the mannerisms were different.
Speaker 3: In fact, each voice had a different personality. What a
Speaker 3: wonderful actor there must be amongst us to be able
Speaker 3: to carry on like this for hours on end, and
Speaker 3: to remember in the dark where everyone was sitting as
Speaker 3: the right person was directly addressed every time, with never
Speaker 3: a mistake. Such were my thoughts when suddenly, right in
Speaker 3: front of my face, a strong voice spoke to me, Yes,
Speaker 3: who are you? I inquired to receive the answer, your father,
Speaker 3: Robert Downey Findley. The voice continued speaking and referred to
Speaker 3: something that only my father and I and one other
Speaker 3: man ever knew about on earth. And that other man,
Speaker 3: like my father, was dead. I was therefore the only
Speaker 3: living person on earth with any knowledge of what that
Speaker 3: voice was talking about. It was a private matter that
Speaker 3: neither I, nor my father, nor any other man when
Speaker 3: on this earth ever spoke about to any other person.
Speaker 3: All this was extraordinary enough, but imagine my surprise when
Speaker 3: my father concluded by saying, David Kitson is standing beside
Speaker 3: me and would also like to talk to you about
Speaker 3: this matter. Now, David Kitson was the name of the
Speaker 3: other man who knew about this private affair. He was
Speaker 3: my father's partner, and he was my partner after my
Speaker 3: father's death. Only the three of us knew about this
Speaker 3: private affair. And here I was in a Glasgow artisan's house,
Speaker 3: a complete stranger to everyone, being told by two different
Speaker 3: voices about something known only to me and two dead men. Moreover,
Speaker 3: the voices which spoke claimed to be the voices of
Speaker 3: these two men, and Kidson continued the conversation quite naturally,
Speaker 3: which my father had started to conclude with these words,
Speaker 3: I am glad to get that off my chest at last.
Speaker 3: I won't continue reading the next part, because he goes
Speaker 3: on in great detail about what happened with the business.
Speaker 3: He ends up leaving the seance, and of course it
Speaker 3: made a big difference in his life. He continues. During
Speaker 3: the next five years, I attended thirty nine seances with Sloane,
Speaker 3: sometimes at his house and at times in places of
Speaker 3: my own, choosing eighty three separate voices have spoken to me,
Speaker 3: or two friends I have taken with me. I have
Speaker 3: given details in this book of the precautions I took
Speaker 3: to make sure it was not Sloane who was speaking.
Speaker 3: I sat with him at times alone, and the voices
Speaker 3: spoke even when my ear was in an inch of
Speaker 3: his mouth, which was silent. Two and three voices sometimes
Speaker 3: spoke at the same time. Occasionally the voices were so
Speaker 3: strong that they could be heard across the street. The
Speaker 3: most convincing experiences were when I took strangers to a seance.
Speaker 3: Sloane knew nothing about them, and I never mentioned their names.
Speaker 3: Here are a few instances. One evening, I took with
Speaker 3: me the widow of a man whose body had been
Speaker 3: cremated that day and whose funeral I attended. I introduced
Speaker 3: her to Sloane by another name. A voice spoke to
Speaker 3: me when the seance began, Why did you give the
Speaker 3: ladies wrong name? We know who she is and her husband,
Speaker 3: Lewis Pearson is here to speak with her. Pierson then spoke,
Speaker 3: remarking that it would take him some time to recover
Speaker 3: from seeing his earth body burned. When speaking to his wife,
Speaker 3: he became very emotional, so much that he could not
Speaker 3: continue his conversation with her, much to her disappointment. On
Speaker 3: another occasion, I took with me a professor from Glasgow University.
Speaker 3: I did not give his name. I knew little about him,
Speaker 3: but he experienced interest. A voice spoke to him in
Speaker 3: a language I did not understand. He replied in the
Speaker 3: same language, and the conversation went on for some time.
Speaker 3: After the seance was over. I asked him what language
Speaker 3: he was speaking. He replied, I was speaking Welsh. I
Speaker 3: am Welsh, and the voice which spoke to me gave
Speaker 3: the name of an old gardener I employed when I
Speaker 3: lived in Wales. He knew all about me, and what
Speaker 3: he said was quite true. These two experiences I have
Speaker 3: never recorded before, nor the fact that my father came
Speaker 3: back on other occasions and gave me good evidence of
Speaker 3: his presence and survival. Some of my experiences can be
Speaker 3: found in my other books. Many departed friends and relations
Speaker 3: have returned and given their correct names and good evidence
Speaker 3: of their survival. But nothing was more amazing than the
Speaker 3: return of Eric Saunders. Not only was his evidence remarkable
Speaker 3: and everything checked later as correct, but he was seen
Speaker 3: when speaking. The honorable Everend Fielding, who was such an
Speaker 3: active member of the Society for Psychical Research, once wrote
Speaker 3: to me to say that a friend of his would
Speaker 3: be coming to Glasgow and would very much like to
Speaker 3: have a sitting with Sloan. I replied that I would
Speaker 3: arrange this, and on the day appointed, mister Fielding's friend
Speaker 3: called to see me at my office. In the evening,
Speaker 3: he dined with me at my club, after which we
Speaker 3: went to Sloan's house, where the sitting was held. This man,
Speaker 3: during the course of our conversation prior to the seance,
Speaker 3: never gave me a hint of his occupation, and I
Speaker 3: purposely asked him no particulars. He was therefore a complete
Speaker 3: stranger to me, and neither I, nor the medium, nor
Speaker 3: anybody present at the seance knew anything about him. The
Speaker 3: seance was a good one, and during it a voice
Speaker 3: spoke clearly and distinctly before my new acquaintance. It addressed
Speaker 3: him correctly, and when he asked who was speaking, the
Speaker 3: voice replied, when I was on Earth, I was known
Speaker 3: as King Edward the seventh. A personal conversation ensued, names
Speaker 3: of people being mentioned by the voice, which my acquaintance knew,
Speaker 3: and the conversation went on quite naturally, just as if
Speaker 3: my friend were speaking to someone on earth. Finally, the
Speaker 3: voice said, I must thank you for all your kindness
Speaker 3: to my wife, Queen Alexandra. I do not know how
Speaker 3: she could have gone on without you, and you have
Speaker 3: relieved her of so much worry and care. After the
Speaker 3: seance was over, I asked him if he were satisfied
Speaker 3: with this strange experience, and he replied most certainly. Then
Speaker 3: I said, will you tell me your position towards Queen Alexandra. Oh,
Speaker 3: he replied, I am the controller of her household. Neither
Speaker 3: I nor any other person in this room that night,
Speaker 3: except him himself, knew this. Queen Alexandra, when she heard
Speaker 3: about this seance, wanted to sit with Sloane, and this
Speaker 3: took place in London, and to her great satisfaction. Those
Speaker 3: present included friends Sir William Barrett, the eminent physicist, Sir
Speaker 3: Arthur Conan Doyle, Doctor Abraham Wallace, and Sir Oliver Lodge,
Speaker 3: all believers in the reality of this phenomena after years
Speaker 3: of study and experience. Let's take our break and then
Speaker 3: we'll be back with more. You're listening to Shades of
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 3: and I am reading to you from Arthur Finley's book
Speaker 3: on the Edge of the Etheric. If you've listened to
Speaker 3: past episodes where I've spoken about physical mediums, that's what
Speaker 3: we're talking about here. With either the lights off or
Speaker 3: just a dim red light on a substance called ectoplasm
Speaker 3: is released as a gas from the medium. Loved ones
Speaker 3: can step into it and have their voices heard again.
Speaker 3: It sounds to me like this. John Sloan's mediumship was
Speaker 3: a bit different, and I know I have witnessed this
Speaker 3: form of communication sitting with our friend Scott Milligan. An
Speaker 3: ectoplasmic voice box will form, a trumpet will rise and
Speaker 3: the voice can get magnified to be heard by all.
Speaker 3: So let me continue with Arthur Finley. I have in
Speaker 3: the previous chapters given information purporting to come from voices,
Speaker 3: either through the trumpet or apart altogether from the trumpet. Sloane, however,
Speaker 3: is one of the finest mediums in the country, and
Speaker 3: sometimes a communicator. If he cannot get his message through
Speaker 3: correctly or by direct means, controls the medium or sends
Speaker 3: the message through one of Sloan's regular controls. I have
Speaker 3: had messages given partly one way or partly the other. However,
Speaker 3: for long continued conversation, trance communications are the best, as
Speaker 3: they are more sustained uninterrupted conversations lasting for over an hour.
Speaker 3: In this way I have received much detailed information as
Speaker 3: to how the direct voice is produced. What the etheric
Speaker 3: body really is, the conditions existing in the world beyond,
Speaker 3: and the relativeative structure of the substance of which that
Speaker 3: world is composed, as compared with our physical matter. A
Speaker 3: stenographer present has recorded what was said. First of all,
Speaker 3: I am told that the whole universe is made up
Speaker 3: of substance of various degrees of density and vibratory activity
Speaker 3: that fills all space in which life exists, in varying
Speaker 3: degrees of development. What we sense here on Earth is
Speaker 3: only matter vibrating within certain fixed limits, surrounding, interpenetrating, attached
Speaker 3: to and moving with our Earth, is another world of
Speaker 3: etheric matter in a higher state of vibration. Consequently, it
Speaker 3: is unperceived by our senses in our physical world. The
Speaker 3: real or enduring body is an etheric body which, at
Speaker 3: the moment of our conception commences to gather round it,
Speaker 3: or in other words, clothes its self with physical matter.
Speaker 3: Slow in vibration. The etheric body is the framework onto
Speaker 3: which physical matter is attached. This etheric body is composed
Speaker 3: of substance quite in tune with the etheric matter of
Speaker 3: the next plane, but so long as it is attached
Speaker 3: to physical matter, it is limited by the limitations of
Speaker 3: such matter. At death, however, the etheric body is released
Speaker 3: from its physical covering and continues functioning quite naturally in
Speaker 3: the etheric world, where everything is as real to it
Speaker 3: as when it was in the physical The etheric body
Speaker 3: is in every particular a duplicate of our physical body,
Speaker 3: and so it could be understood how if conditions are
Speaker 3: given for an etherian to rematerialize his organs of speech,
Speaker 3: it is possible to vibrate again our atmosphere and make
Speaker 3: his voice heard. The mind, which controls the etheric duplicate,
Speaker 3: carries over with it. I am told, everything but the
Speaker 3: physical covering, character, memory, affection, personality, etc. Go with the mind,
Speaker 3: because they relate to the mind and not to the
Speaker 3: physical body. The etheric world is in many respects similar
Speaker 3: to this world. Our senses there respond as they do here,
Speaker 3: but owing to the finer structure of etheric substance, the
Speaker 3: mind can work on it in a way it cannot
Speaker 3: do here. Hence it is in this sense a mental world.
Speaker 3: But our present world is also a mental world, as
Speaker 3: I tried to show you in chapter three. In this
Speaker 3: next state of consciousness, the inhabitants find themselves in surroundings
Speaker 3: much the same as we experience here, grow trees and flowers,
Speaker 3: but there is no death, as we understand it, all
Speaker 3: vegetable life, instead of decaying, de materializes and disappears from sight.
Speaker 3: The surroundings of the inhabitants are greatly conditioned by their thoughts,
Speaker 3: and so their houses and mode of life are much
Speaker 3: their own making. This, I am told, does not constitute
Speaker 3: the next state to be one purely of mental projections,
Speaker 3: because its inhabitants have the same sensations as we have.
Speaker 3: As they can feel, touch and smell the flowers, they
Speaker 3: can gather them, and when walking in the fields they
Speaker 3: can meet and talk with their friends, all on the
Speaker 3: same plane, I am told, can see and touch the
Speaker 3: same things. This is the reply I invariably received when
Speaker 3: trying to find out whether this state was a objective
Speaker 3: or subjective. There are many planes, but only those in
Speaker 3: the same plane experience the same sensations. I have myself
Speaker 3: experienced etherians present who have talked to me, but they
Speaker 3: could not see each other though they were in the
Speaker 3: same room. The explanation given being that they were in
Speaker 3: different planes of existence. These Etherians are men and women,
Speaker 3: not vaporous spirits, but real, vital, and tangible people, such
Speaker 3: as we mix with every day. Theirs is not a
Speaker 3: dream world, but one of objective reality, intensely real everything, music, art,
Speaker 3: and all constructive work being at a higher pitch than
Speaker 3: we can possibly understand. Great activity prevails, and everyone has
Speaker 3: his or her own work to do. Service to others
Speaker 3: and fellowship are ethical standards which prevail there to a
Speaker 3: higher degree than here. There is a universal language, and
Speaker 3: everyone can understand the other. It is inherent. Nationalities generally
Speaker 3: live together and speak their own language, but there is
Speaker 3: one language common to all. My informants were insistent on
Speaker 3: the point that with them discipline was rigid, and all
Speaker 3: had to obey those in authority. Everyone under the authority
Speaker 3: of higher Etherians, whose laws and instructions must be carefully obeyed.
Speaker 3: It is well ordered in a well governed state. There
Speaker 3: is no night as we understand it, and the light
Speaker 3: they get does not come from our sun. If they
Speaker 3: want to rest, they can get subdued light, but not
Speaker 3: darkness as we experience it. When asked as to their food,
Speaker 3: I was told that they ate and drank just as
Speaker 3: we did, and enjoyed the same sensations, but their eating
Speaker 3: and drinking were different from what we understand by these words.
Speaker 3: They enjoy much more freedom of movement as they get
Speaker 3: from one place to another at a speed we cannot comprehend.
Speaker 3: On other occasions, when I put questions about the composition
Speaker 3: of our minds, I was told that the mind was
Speaker 3: substance in a very rapid state of vibration, and that
Speaker 3: at death, though we left on Earth our physical brain,
Speaker 3: yet the mind in etheric life functioned through the etheric
Speaker 3: duplicate of the brain, which survived death along with the
Speaker 3: rest of the etheric body. All life persists. Animals as
Speaker 3: well as human beings survive death, and each enters into
Speaker 3: a state of harmonious to the vibrations of each. Affection
Speaker 3: on the part of an animal, for an individual can
Speaker 3: bring the two together again after death, but without this
Speaker 3: bond of affection, they would function unsensed by the other
Speaker 3: in their own plane. Thus life is indestructible. A great
Speaker 3: universal force is everywhere in everything, in some form or another,
Speaker 3: but only when in conjunction with the physical can it
Speaker 3: be perceived by our limited sense perceptions. Physical science deals
Speaker 3: with physical matter, something we can sense. Psychical science deals
Speaker 3: with etheric matter. We cannot sense etheric matter, but ethereans can.
Speaker 3: It's atomic structure, i am told, differs from that of
Speaker 3: our matter. It may be ether or something akin to ether,
Speaker 3: for all we know. To the contrary, physics and psychics
Speaker 3: are twin brothers, which makes it easier for a physicist
Speaker 3: to understand psychics than scientists or other branches of knowledge. Hence,
Speaker 3: the whole tendency of physical science today is towards the
Speaker 3: view that not physical but etheric substance is the basic
Speaker 3: structure of our universe. Only the ignorant affirm that just
Speaker 3: what we sense is real, that beyond this range of
Speaker 3: sense nothing exists. Our range of sense, our sight, our touch,
Speaker 3: our smell, and hearing are limited to the last degree.
Speaker 3: We know that the spectrum of the spectroscope proves the
Speaker 3: very limited range of our ordinary vision, and that further
Speaker 3: ranges of vibration of what might be color could we
Speaker 3: see them, extend on either side. It has been said
Speaker 3: that perceived vibrations, as compared with the unperceived, are much
Speaker 3: less than an inch to a mile. Therefore, it is
Speaker 3: evident that there lies an enormous region for other life
Speaker 3: to inhabit. Around and within this world of ours, a
Speaker 3: region quite beyond our normal sense perceptions, until one clearly
Speaker 3: understands that our senses here only respond to a very
Speaker 3: limited range of vibrations what we term physical matter. That
Speaker 3: outside these is a universe full of life which responds
Speaker 3: to a higher range of vibrations, unreal to us, but
Speaker 3: more real to it than physical matter. One cannot grasp
Speaker 3: or understand in all of its fullness, that psychical phenomena
Speaker 3: which develop through mediumship. Before we go to the break,
Speaker 3: let's think about one thing we heard as kids, that
Speaker 3: we don't have the same cells in our body that
Speaker 3: we had seven years ago. That everything regenerates itself. Science
Speaker 3: also cannot find where our thoughts, feelings, and emotions are stored.
Speaker 3: So it makes perfect sense to me that we have
Speaker 3: this etheric body where these memories and our whole personality
Speaker 3: is stored, that when we depart this earth, it continues on.
Speaker 3: To me, makes perfect sense. Something to think about during
Speaker 3: the break, and we'll be back. You're listening to Shades
Speaker 3: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
Speaker 3: AM Paranormal podcast Network.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain.
Speaker 3: The Great Arthur Finley, as you remember, attended his very
Speaker 3: first seance at the age of forty. He spent the
Speaker 3: next forty one years full time exploring the world of
Speaker 3: the afterlife. I believe he wrote something like a dozen books,
Speaker 3: if not more. Of course, he gave his fortune and
Speaker 3: his estate away to the Spiritualist National Union. Currently, there's
Speaker 3: courses you can take at the Arthur Finley College and
Speaker 3: it's like going on retreat. Really is a special place.
Speaker 3: You can check out the college by going to Arthur
Speaker 3: Finley College a dot org. There's also a link there
Speaker 3: to shop their bookstore, should you like to do that.
Speaker 3: I'm proud to say that our main tutors Kerrie McLeod,
Speaker 3: Philip Dyke's Scott Milligan. All hail from the teachings of
Speaker 3: the great Gordon Higginson, who resurrected the college and whose
Speaker 3: medium principles we use today. John Campbell Sloane, who was
Speaker 3: the medium so closely connected with Arthur Finley. He passed
Speaker 3: back in nineteen fifty one at the age of eighty two,
Speaker 3: and for nearly fifty years he gave his mediumship to humanity.
Speaker 3: He did not have a big ego, did not have
Speaker 3: a lot of money, never asked for rewards or praise.
Speaker 3: He was humble and modest and gave freely and expected nothing. Boy,
Speaker 3: those are the kind of people that I like to
Speaker 3: hear about. I'm just thumbing through the book now on
Speaker 3: the edge of the Etheric, and at the very end
Speaker 3: you'll enjoy reading one hundred and eighty eight facts given
Speaker 3: at two consecutive sittings to Arthur Finley after his mom
Speaker 3: passed in nineteen thirty six. Arthur Finley had two seances
Speaker 3: and there are many pages of all the information that
Speaker 3: came through straight from the mother, which is incredible. I
Speaker 3: want to read to you now some of the questions
Speaker 3: and answers that he asked the spirit people here on Earth,
Speaker 3: we can only appreciate the physical, namely the Earth, the Sun,
Speaker 3: and stars. What is contained in what we call space?
Speaker 3: The answer I can only answer you so far as
Speaker 3: my knowledge permits interpenetrating your world is another world of substance,
Speaker 3: in a higher state of vibration to the one you sense.
Speaker 3: The universe is once to pendous whole. But you can
Speaker 3: only appreciate what you see and hear and feel. Believe me,
Speaker 3: there are other worlds of substance, finer than physical matter
Speaker 3: in which life exists, and of which you on Earth
Speaker 3: can form. No conception connected with your earth is this
Speaker 3: world to which I came after what you call death.
Speaker 3: Encircling your world are planes of different density, and these
Speaker 3: move in rotation with the rotation of the Earth. Question
Speaker 3: is your world then a real and tangible world? Answer? Yes,
Speaker 3: it is very real to us. But the conditions in
Speaker 3: which we find ourselves depend on the condition of our mind.
Speaker 3: If we wish it, we can be surrounded by beautiful country.
Speaker 3: Our mind plays a large part in our life here.
Speaker 3: Just as we live in surroundings suitable to our mental development,
Speaker 3: so we also attract to ourselves minds of the same
Speaker 3: type as our own. Like attracts like in our world,
Speaker 3: so also like attracts like. So far as your world
Speaker 3: and our world are concerned, we can at will take
Speaker 3: on Earth conditions. By lowering our vibrations. Our bodies become
Speaker 3: heavier and more perceptible to the human eye, which accounts
Speaker 3: for our being seen at times by those who have
Speaker 3: the faculty on Earth of sensing our vibrations. Question do
Speaker 3: all the inhabitants of your world get into contact with
Speaker 3: the earth from time to time? Answer? The higher and
Speaker 3: more developed we become, the less we are in touch
Speaker 3: with your world. It is all a question of desire.
Speaker 3: We can come into contact with Earth conditions at will.
Speaker 3: If the will for doing so is absent, then we
Speaker 3: do not return to you. Question do we always retain
Speaker 3: our individuality? Answer? Think of a countryside with glens and hills.
Speaker 3: The rain falls and gradually trickles down into smaller streams,
Speaker 3: which streams together volume until they enter a brook, which
Speaker 3: brook in turn enters a river, which in turn enters
Speaker 3: a larger river and sweeps onward to the sea. Each
Speaker 3: individual can be compared to an atom in the rain drop.
Speaker 3: The atom retains form and individuality throughout the whole course
Speaker 3: from the hill to the sea, and even in the
Speaker 3: sea it does not lose its individuality. So with us
Speaker 3: we move onwards and onwards, always retaining our individuality until
Speaker 3: we merge into the sea of full understanding, when we
Speaker 3: become part of the divinity. Question. That is certainly a
Speaker 3: very very clear illustration. But to go back for a
Speaker 3: moment to the reply you gave me in an answer
Speaker 3: to my question about your world being tangible and real,
Speaker 3: you stated that your surroundings depended on the condition of
Speaker 3: your minds. Now, is your life purely a mental one?
Speaker 3: Or can you touch and feel your surroundings just as
Speaker 3: we do here? In other words, is your world a
Speaker 3: material one like ours? Answer? Our world is not material,
Speaker 3: but it is real. It is tangible, composed of substance,
Speaker 3: in a much higher state of vibration than the matter
Speaker 3: which makes up your world. Our minds can therefore play
Speaker 3: upon it in a different way than yours can on
Speaker 3: the material side of life. As our mind is, so
Speaker 3: is our state. We create our surroundings, and the surroundings
Speaker 3: can be beautiful. Question can you touch what you see? Answer? Yes,
Speaker 3: of course, we can touch and feel and enjoy all
Speaker 3: the sensations you do. Question do you eat and enjoy
Speaker 3: your food? Yes, we eat and drink, but it is
Speaker 3: not what you mean by eating and drinking. To us,
Speaker 3: it is a mental condition. We enjoy it mentally, not
Speaker 3: bodily as you do. Question what are your houses like? Answer?
Speaker 3: Our houses are just as we care to make them.
Speaker 3: Your earth houses first were conceived in your mind, and
Speaker 3: then physical matter was put together to make them as
Speaker 3: your mind first saw them. Here we have the power
Speaker 3: to mold etheric matter as we think, so our houses
Speaker 3: are also the products of our minds. We think and
Speaker 3: we construct. It is a question of thought vibration, and
Speaker 3: so long as we retain these vibrations, we can hold
Speaker 3: the object, which, during this time is objective to our senses.
Speaker 3: Question do we incarnate again on Earth? Answer? Now, that
Speaker 3: is a question I find difficulty in answering. I have
Speaker 3: known no one who has I have passed over many
Speaker 3: years ago, and I have round about me those who
Speaker 3: lived thousands of years ago on Earth. That is all
Speaker 3: I can say, because my knowledge does not permit me
Speaker 3: to say more. Question do dogs, cats, and other animals
Speaker 3: survive death? Answer? Yes, most emphatically. Yes, they do survive.
Speaker 3: No life becomes extinct. But they do not survive in
Speaker 3: the spirit world as we term it. They have a
Speaker 3: spirit world of their own making. They do not exist
Speaker 3: in a spirit world as man exists. However, say a
Speaker 3: dog has an affection for a human being, it can
Speaker 3: get into his or her surroundings. If you both have
Speaker 3: left to your earth. Question is your vegetation similar to ours?
Speaker 3: Answer something similar, but much more beautiful. Question Where do
Speaker 3: you get your light from? And when do you sleep? Answer?
Speaker 3: If we feel we want rest, we can get subdued light,
Speaker 3: not so subdued as you understand it, but sufficient to
Speaker 3: enable us to rest. We have no night here as
Speaker 3: you would understand night. We get our light from the
Speaker 3: source of all light. But I cannot continue further tonight
Speaker 3: as the power has gone. So good night, and may
Speaker 3: the light that lightens all darkness leads you into the
Speaker 3: light you are so earnestly seeking. This fine book that
Speaker 3: I hold in my hands is filled with all kinds
Speaker 3: of pages, folded over and underlines and stars. There's so
Speaker 3: much in there about science, about physics, and Arthur Finley
Speaker 3: wasn't alone. His group of people were scientists, doctors, physicists,
Speaker 3: all exploring the afterlife, just like we are too. Direct
Speaker 3: voice mediumship is very rare, but where it begins is
Speaker 3: in the home circle. Years ago, people used to get
Speaker 3: together and sing and make room for the spirit world,
Speaker 3: and that's really not the case anymore. Medium Scott Milligan
Speaker 3: and I are trying to revive that. We created a
Speaker 3: home study course about home circles which is filled with
Speaker 3: something like twenty hours of extra material, and he and
Speaker 3: I have an extraordinary conversation about what these home circles are,
Speaker 3: how we can get started in them, And even if
Speaker 3: you wish to sit by yourself and develop your own
Speaker 3: relationship with the spirit world, you can. If you want
Speaker 3: to ask your own questions to the spirit world, come
Speaker 3: join us on a Friday when Scott Milligan does a
Speaker 3: trance demonstration. Our home base is we Don't Die dot com.
Speaker 3: If you're interested in mental mediumship, I advise you to
Speaker 3: come take a course with Carrie and Phil. If you're
Speaker 3: interested in the world of direct voice, physical mediumship, trance mediumship,
Speaker 3: click on the tab at the top of the page
Speaker 3: that says Scott Milligan. That's where you'll find the Home
Speaker 3: Circle course, also there's some great audios by old and
Speaker 3: deceased now spiritualists talking about their experiences in these seance rooms.
Speaker 3: It's pretty incredible. So, Arthur Finley, I know you are
Speaker 3: just in the Etheric and hopefully you guided me to
Speaker 3: the right passages of yours to read today. I'd really
Speaker 3: like to thank you for listening. I hope you've enjoyed this.
Speaker 3: It gives just a little taste of the great Arthur
Speaker 3: Finley and his book on the Edge of the Etheric.
Speaker 3: In closing, there's more to life than meets the eye,
Speaker 3: and there's more to you than you know. Again, visit
Speaker 3: us at We Don't Die dot com. I'm Sander Champlain.
Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
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