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<v Speaker 1>Hello. My name is Jesu Gitzempsiode and I'm wensday Night,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to x ray Vision of the podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>we dive into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from my Heart podcast where we're bringing

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<v Speaker 1>you two episodes a week, every Tuesday and every Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's episode, in the previously on we're talking everything DC.

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<v Speaker 2>What about that Superman taking a long time to put

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<v Speaker 2>on his boots? What do we think about it? You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna find out in the very cool airlock interview. Today

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<v Speaker 2>we have Josie Campbell, who is the showrunner of My

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<v Speaker 2>Adventures with Superman and also the writer of anew My

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<v Speaker 2>Adventures with Superman comic for a lovely chat. And in

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<v Speaker 2>the back man, we're gonna chop it up a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about DC Live Action versus DC Animation and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of superhero movies and their trajectory right now.

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<v Speaker 3>But first, previously on.

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<v Speaker 1>X Men ninety seven, Tolerance is Extinction Part two drop

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<v Speaker 1>last week, and we simply must talk about this, Rosie Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, my friend Aaron Edwards posted on the

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<v Speaker 1>social media platform known as x that before Magneto finished

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<v Speaker 1>his speech he would have been standing next to him

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<v Speaker 1>when you know he basically said, Okay, which side you

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<v Speaker 1>want Charles or you want me? I have to agree.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also have to applaud X Men ninety seven

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<v Speaker 1>for not pulling any punches in showing just how naive

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<v Speaker 1>Charles is has been is in the comics and continues

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<v Speaker 1>to be amazing episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean it blew my mind because one,

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<v Speaker 2>they have a che so much in this season. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lie I have I will put one

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<v Speaker 2>caveat in. I think they did such a good job

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<v Speaker 2>in the previous eight episodes that Magneto's turn hare felt

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<v Speaker 2>a little speedy to me. I felt like Magneto had

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<v Speaker 2>been such an invested, interesting, incredible, empathetic character that has

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<v Speaker 2>kind of turned to the bad side here. Took me

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit by surprise, even though I knew the comics.

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<v Speaker 2>But I love I love Asteroid m I love all

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<v Speaker 2>these outrageous kind of moments we get some direct from

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<v Speaker 2>the comic book moments here. There's also a very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I noticed that Rogue is kind of a stand.

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<v Speaker 3>In for Colossus here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Colossus was really a big part of this storyline,

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<v Speaker 2>and we even get this moment where she's attacking them

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<v Speaker 2>with this kind of column, and that's directly from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Colossus in the comics.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, obviously, it ends.

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<v Speaker 2>With that shocking moment that in our discord we had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people saying like this isn't for kids,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is such a scary, horrifying moment.

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<v Speaker 1>They did it with the with the I've been stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>in anime effect too, Yes, big.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very invincible.

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<v Speaker 2>So so the episode ends with another one of classic

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<v Speaker 2>Charles worst plans.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say, this is a problem throughout comics.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a problem in this this is a problem

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<v Speaker 2>in the Blooming X Men movies from Fox. Charles, why

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<v Speaker 2>do you send a man with metal bones to fight Magneto?

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<v Speaker 2>Put him on the other team. And the cool thing

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<v Speaker 2>is we did get the Blue and Gold teams here

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time, which we've never had in the

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<v Speaker 2>comics before, like named like that. But I do think

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<v Speaker 2>Charles should have put Wolverine on the other team, not

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<v Speaker 2>the Magneto team. But I understand why you want to

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<v Speaker 2>recreate that incredible Adam Kuberc cover.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's it's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>I have this to say about Magneto's turn to the

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote the bad side and Charles's speech in general.

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<v Speaker 1>I would push back on Magneto turning to the bedside.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say this Charles, as Charles sees himself as a

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<v Speaker 1>centrist right, he is trying to corral these two war parties,

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<v Speaker 1>the humans facing them and his own really militaristic war

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<v Speaker 1>party in mutantdom like and try to corral them and

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<v Speaker 1>bring peace so that millions, if not billions, won't die.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's a very commendable thing to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think under certain circumstances that would make a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense. It really would make a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the issue is that a state of open

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<v Speaker 1>warfare already exists between humankind and mutant. The mutants have

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<v Speaker 1>been working so hard with the X Men, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>keep mutant terrorists, mutant militants, etc. Who want to provoke

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<v Speaker 1>something in check. That's their whole mission statement over these years,

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<v Speaker 1>like keeping the Juggernauts from doing crazy shit, and Black

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<v Speaker 1>Magneto and the Brother of Evil Mutants and Mystique and

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<v Speaker 1>the Blah, all of them keep it being like don't

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<v Speaker 1>start a war. The humans have all their militaries, they

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<v Speaker 1>have the Avengers, they have all these super teams. Not

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<v Speaker 1>one of them has ever stepped up to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's stop the Sentinels from killing the mutints. I not

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<v Speaker 1>stop all of our trask from doing anything. Let's and

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<v Speaker 1>now that Genosha has happened, and the human governments and

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<v Speaker 1>the Avengers are like, we sat that one out. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, we missed it. You have to if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a mutant, you have to say the humans have declared

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<v Speaker 1>war on us. Magneto did something, turned off all the

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<v Speaker 1>electricity of the world because they were about to get

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<v Speaker 1>wiped out. The Bastian box were running wild like it

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<v Speaker 1>was happening, like mutans were dying that very minute, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had to do something to stop it. And in

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<v Speaker 1>order to turn on the electricity, I say, because I

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<v Speaker 1>again saying that a state of war exists, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you have to negotiate that. That's not just we turn

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<v Speaker 1>it on. That's what are you gonna do about Bastian

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<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna do about the Sentinels? What are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna do about these high ranking figures in human

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<v Speaker 1>governments that are actively working towards the extinction of mutants

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<v Speaker 1>before we turn the electricity on. Let's talk about that,

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<v Speaker 1>because what Charles miss is is he's no longer a centrist.

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<v Speaker 1>He's on the far far, far left. And Magneto, to

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<v Speaker 1>borrow a phrase, is correct because he's been he's been

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<v Speaker 1>saying all this time, fight fight, fight, fight, fight, defend mutants,

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<v Speaker 1>and now because a state of war does exist, he

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<v Speaker 1>is the center. He's the center party. And so, Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been away.

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<v Speaker 3>With your girlfriends exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to wake up and smell the coffie about

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on here. You can't just drop in and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, I'm back. Acts like yeah, act like

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't miss everything that's been happening. So, Charles, his

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<v Speaker 1>hard is in the right place, but he doesn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>the chessboard as it currently exists. Magneto, sadly is right,

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<v Speaker 1>and before we turn on the power, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>get some concessions from the humans.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is the ultimate Magneto's Right show. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like they're very much in our like in our wheelhouse. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say people who have been away for a week.

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<v Speaker 2>The funniest I love that moment where Storm and Gene

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<v Speaker 2>have this like connective moment.

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<v Speaker 3>But Storm doesn't know about Madeline Pryor, so.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't know that like the person she actually like,

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<v Speaker 2>her sister is like gone, and now it's Gene.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, let's get it.

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<v Speaker 3>If you leave the X Mansion for like a week,

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<v Speaker 3>you are losing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So before we finish talking about this, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the moment there's obviously leading up to.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's giving.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say it's giving Age of Apocalypse. I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that could be season two instead of Cricola. But finale, let's.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk about the likelihood of onslaught.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Charles took over Magneto's mind, Scott randomly kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stopped him when.

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<v Speaker 3>It seemed like that wouldn't. That ended up leading to.

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<v Speaker 2>Wolverine getting his magnionetic metal pulled out of his body.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Charles.

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<v Speaker 2>So are we gonna get an onslaught in this final episode?

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<v Speaker 3>I believe? So do you want should I explain quickly

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<v Speaker 3>what onslaught is?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I think you're right explain it.

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<v Speaker 2>So in comics, there was a very unpopular nineties series

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<v Speaker 2>that was a Marvel editorial edict because they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>restart these heroes as part of the legendary return of

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<v Speaker 2>the Image comics guys. And basically what happened was Magneto

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<v Speaker 2>ends up in a coma after Charles wipes Magneto's mind,

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<v Speaker 2>but from going into his mind, he's gained all his

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<v Speaker 2>evil thoughts, hiding Magneto's evil side within his brain. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Xavier begins taking on like more and more violent behavior,

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<v Speaker 2>more aggressive, becoming more like the output inverted Comma's worst

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<v Speaker 2>side of Magneto. He transforms into this monster called Onslaught,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he kills the X Men. He kills I

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<v Speaker 2>think the Avengers too, because heroes reborn needed to rebirth them,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's very controversial.

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<v Speaker 3>Very infamous. I think he kills the Fantastic Four as well.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just killing everybody and it's basically Xavier turning into

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<v Speaker 2>a crazy, giant monster. I do think we could see

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<v Speaker 2>Onslaught happening in the finale.

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<v Speaker 3>Along with there's been a lot of Phoenix nods.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we think the Phoenix is show up? Like, what

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<v Speaker 2>are your guesses for the finale?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we are going to get some version

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<v Speaker 1>of Onslaught. I think that we're going to have this

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<v Speaker 1>whole season has been kind of the heel turn of

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Xavier. The death of the Dream. Oh, that's such

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<v Speaker 1>a fradulity of the Dream, and I think we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to a place where by the end the X

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<v Speaker 1>Men will have largely lost their confidence in Charles, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think Onslaught is a good way to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we get some version of Onslaught and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some legacy virus stuff, but I think that's where we're going.

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<v Speaker 2>I love your idea that this is actually all of

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<v Speaker 2>it's been Charles's heel turn, so Onslaught just makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do think see we talked about Kroka for

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<v Speaker 3>season two.

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<v Speaker 2>This looking at where they're taking from the comics that

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<v Speaker 2>there linen to, I do think we could be getng

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<v Speaker 2>age of Apocalypse, which would be really exciting, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think they'll make a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm just so stoked for the finale. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>what a season.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knew the best show, well, one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>shows of the year was gonna be that X Men

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't dare to dream, but here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>One more question is do we get Wolverine on the

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<v Speaker 1>sidelines for the rest of the series or do we

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<v Speaker 1>see bone Claw Wolverine sometime this season.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we will get bone Claw Wolverine because something

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<v Speaker 2>that I think they did that was really clever here

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<v Speaker 2>is Wolverine's kind of been a side character throughout all

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<v Speaker 2>of this, which makes sense because in the nineties he

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<v Speaker 2>was the biggest character ever. Famously, he was in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred issues of Marveling in a year or something,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like, oh God, we got to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of this guy. So I think like sidelining him

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<v Speaker 2>when people expected him to be the center is actually

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<v Speaker 2>very smart, and then he got to have this huge

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<v Speaker 2>moment that was directly taken from the comics in episode nine.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think in the finale we will get bog

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<v Speaker 2>Claus Wolverine.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, up next news, First up, James Gunn has shared

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<v Speaker 1>the first look at David corn Sweat Mister corn Sweat

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<v Speaker 1>as Superman, uh, and people had takes about it. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew the memes were coming, folks, But your thoughts Rozy

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<v Speaker 1>mister corn Sweat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, First of all, I do think he looks like Superman.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a fan of name this casting when they

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<v Speaker 2>did it. I think it's good that his name is

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<v Speaker 2>corn Sweat. I think that's a funny name for somebody

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<v Speaker 2>playing Superman. I think the suit looks cool. I personally

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<v Speaker 2>am a fan of a fabric suit. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>you need armor when you're Superman because your body is indestructible.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just me, so you know what, I know

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<v Speaker 2>we're always gonna get a bit of an armory.

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<v Speaker 1>Look.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it kind of looked like he just pulled

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<v Speaker 2>it on. But I am off the mind along with

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<v Speaker 2>the internet. Why does he take it so long? Why

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<v Speaker 2>there's literally like a brainiac esque I out there. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's Solaris, maybe it's Lex Luthor, maybe it's a Green

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<v Speaker 2>Lantern battle. But look, I feel like this guy can

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<v Speaker 2>get across the world to pick up Lois Lane when

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<v Speaker 2>she falls off a building in like minus two seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's just like taking his slow time with his boots.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that it's trying to tell us something about

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<v Speaker 2>the character, but I don't necessarily I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>questions that it raises could have been seen by anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who approved that photo.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe that's the point, But what were your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>But my thoughts were so one to be fair to

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<v Speaker 1>a Superman and mister Gunn, you know, Alvi's Superman moves

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<v Speaker 1>faster than a speeding bullet. I guess there's if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get like meta about it, maybe the photo

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<v Speaker 1>was taken at like one one huntry thousandth of a second,

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<v Speaker 1>so he actually is going really fast, only the picture

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<v Speaker 1>is it's a frozen image that we don't know. And

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<v Speaker 1>then secondarily, I think this was a clear nod to

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<v Speaker 1>the iconic image of Superman from All Star Superman, where

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<v Speaker 1>he's you know, sitting kind of gazing with that optimistic,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a bright kind of look on his face.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that they were kind of going for that,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is not the Superman that you've seen before.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a different kind of guy. He puts on his

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<v Speaker 1>boots one boot at a time. I love the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of him being like, lois have you seen my other boot?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is it at? But that' said I agree. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew when I saw it that the memes were gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just gonna and they did meme.

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<v Speaker 3>They memed fantastically the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>They fantastically meaned. Now, I guess you could also say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good, isn't it, Like, because I want this image

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<v Speaker 1>disseminated far and wide in the community to play with it. Overall,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna not make any kind of rash

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<v Speaker 1>decisions based off one image other than to say I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to see more and I'm glad that, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad that we got this.

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<v Speaker 2>Look. I'm gonna say this, and to me, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not derogatory, and I will be bringing up this network

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<v Speaker 2>many times during this previously on, but like, it look very.

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<v Speaker 3>Cub to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's not derogatory because I actually enjoy the cub

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<v Speaker 2>but I can see how for some people that might

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<v Speaker 2>be a negative to me. The bright colors, the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the in camera but with the with the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crazy background, that's all very cub. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's actually a lot that James Gunn seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>taking from there, which again I say, for me, is

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<v Speaker 2>not bad, but I'm definitely in did to see more

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<v Speaker 2>And kind of how they choose to introduce the other characters,

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<v Speaker 2>will they also be in those slice of life type moments?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that just something we'll see with Superman where we

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<v Speaker 2>get a forecast that I'm interested to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, James Gunn announces that mister the eight, the

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<v Speaker 1>Easeless Frank Green is the actually playing Rick Flagg Senior

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<v Speaker 1>in the newest season of Peacemaker and also in animated

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<v Speaker 1>form in Creature Commando's live action animation crossovers. What are

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 2>Very cool and once again I did one you but

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<v Speaker 2>the cub you did do it first.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Ryan played Constantine and he also voiced constantin He

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<v Speaker 2>did a great job in different animated and live action projects.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think this is really cool. I think DC

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<v Speaker 3>needs to be doing more of this. I'm interested.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved the last Suicide Squad movie. I loved Joel

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<v Speaker 2>Kinneman's performance as Rick Flagg. I thought it was so good,

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<v Speaker 2>really moving performance, and I'm excited to see what Frank

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<v Speaker 2>Grilla does with this. I also really want to see

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<v Speaker 2>Creature Commandos so like, I love those animators. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you're all getting paid and having a good time and

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<v Speaker 2>taking your time, but also hurry up because I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think this is cool. I think they

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<v Speaker 3>should be doing more stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this, and I'm glad James Gunn doesn't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>be afraid to blood those lines, and not just that

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<v Speaker 2>he knows how to make it something that gets people talking.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Grilla is fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>He was fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I was going to say, another fun person to

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<v Speaker 2>add to our who's been in Marvel and DC. That's

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<v Speaker 2>right list, which is always fun because obviously he's crossbones.

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<v Speaker 3>In the MCU.

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<v Speaker 1>New trailer news, we got a grip of new trailers,

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<v Speaker 1>a new Joker file, a DO trailer. The Penguin Teesser,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is out there in a Justice League crisis

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<v Speaker 1>on Infinite Earth's Part three trailer. Your thoughts on these.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of all of them, most excited about the Penguin trailer,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it looks really good. I think it looks

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<v Speaker 2>very cool. I think Colin Farrell absolutely smashed it.

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<v Speaker 3>In that role.

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<v Speaker 2>I usually am wary of anything where it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>even without Batman, it would still be a good story,

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<v Speaker 2>because then I'm like, well, what's the point It's not

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<v Speaker 2>a Batman story. But actually, I think in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>they made such an interesting character with the Penguin and

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<v Speaker 2>the Underworld life with like Carmi and Falcone and the

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<v Speaker 2>cast is amazing and I want to see it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I love the way that they had this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Sopranos esque monologue. Just generally great stuff. Justice League, Christ

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<v Speaker 2>On inf and Earth's Part three. I love the DC

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<v Speaker 2>animated movies. I do think this Moreovers has been a

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<v Speaker 2>bit harder to get that cohesiveness that the DC au

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<v Speaker 2>used to have that we were all such fans of

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<v Speaker 2>in the zeros and kind of really to now. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think this looks great. I love that they're bringing

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<v Speaker 2>in all these different characters. One of my friends, Jules,

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<v Speaker 2>who writes with me at DC dot Com, who is

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<v Speaker 2>like the resident DC expert, he loves these movies. He

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<v Speaker 2>thinks there must watch if you like Crisis. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is very cool. There's three of these movies, so

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to catch up with them kind of

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<v Speaker 2>interact with a different way of enjoying Crisis on Infinite Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a good way to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is quite a different story, so it's interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>navigate that and kind of compare it to the comics.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that looks great. The animation looks beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Joker folioda. Guess what. I didn't like it shocking everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like I'm gonna stay positive.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very interested. I'm very interested. Like that it's a musical.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe it's a jukebox musical that feels like

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<v Speaker 2>they're trolling me. I just I what are they may

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<v Speaker 2>be singing? I too feel trolled. Like, yes, I love

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<v Speaker 2>a big swing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we all love a big swing, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>a in a space the IP space, comic space, where

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<v Speaker 1>there's very few stories or types of stories that you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen before. At the same time, I feel like they're, man,

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<v Speaker 1>this could be so crazy, and maybe it's just me,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I love a musical, but it just feels like

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<v Speaker 1>a joker musical. I don't know, anime, I have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what to think of this.

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't seen The Brave and the Bowl cartoon,

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<v Speaker 2>which is so good, they actually have loads of weird

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<v Speaker 2>wild swing episodes, including a music Meister episode where they

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<v Speaker 2>where it's all musical right and it works so well

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<v Speaker 2>and you can totally imagine a joker musical in that style.

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<v Speaker 2>The things that really stood out to me in this

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<v Speaker 2>right one old timey music, which I definitely saw coming

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<v Speaker 2>kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, don't rain on My parade.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all singing like that, you know, they're putting on

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<v Speaker 2>the rits all that kind of stuff. Fine, probably rather that,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, but I do what are the odds.

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<v Speaker 3>That Joker is going to sing creep at some point

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<v Speaker 3>by Radiohead?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's high. I think that is like, very high.

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<v Speaker 2>My biggest issue that I have with this trailer, aside

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<v Speaker 2>from the fact that this is absolutely not made for me,

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<v Speaker 2>is that it seems like they're just skipping out of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole They're skipping the whole thing of like Harlequin

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<v Speaker 2>being a PhD and now she's just in there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that kind of stuff. It just I get

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<v Speaker 2>that Arthur Fleck isn't really the Joker, so this is.

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<v Speaker 3>A different world.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm also just like, that's a really interesting part

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<v Speaker 2>of her personality, and I would probably rather see that

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<v Speaker 2>than some kind of one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest

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<v Speaker 2>kind of knock off.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, I'm going to keep my mind open.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping it's like a cat's level wackiness, because I

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<v Speaker 2>love cats, Like I make.

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<v Speaker 3>People watch cats all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always introducing people to Cats the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely deranged.

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<v Speaker 2>So like they if they do that, if they go

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<v Speaker 2>that weird, I'm into it. I honestly can't wait to

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<v Speaker 2>see it, which I didn't think I would say about

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<v Speaker 2>a Joker sequel.

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<v Speaker 1>Fans of the Nintendo Switch rejoice. Nintendo finally admits that

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<v Speaker 1>they are making the Switch, to which we always knew.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew it, we knew it.

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<v Speaker 1>But Nintendo's always kind of been moving. They move at

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<v Speaker 1>their own pace. Let's just say. Nintendo president Shintara Frukawa

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<v Speaker 1>officially acknowledged that the successor is coming and said, in

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<v Speaker 1>part quote, we will make an announcement about the successor

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<v Speaker 1>to Nintendo Switch within this fiscal year. Nintendo's fiscal year

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<v Speaker 1>ends in March, so we're thinking March twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>end of their very exciting. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very excited. I also love that he dropped this

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<v Speaker 3>news in a tweet.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just like, he just posted a tweet in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night American time, and was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's happening, guys, just like, shut up. I can't wait

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<v Speaker 2>to see it. I love the Switch. I trust Nintendo

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. All the fans were like, when

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<v Speaker 2>will you make Animal Crossing for the Switch? Oh, you're

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<v Speaker 2>never gonna do it, Please make it, And then it

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<v Speaker 2>became one of the biggest games of all time. So

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<v Speaker 2>I trust them, let them take the time, and I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot wait because my Switch is my favorite console.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up in the movie news, Oh, Robert Bob Iger.

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<v Speaker 3>Who we all know now Rubbie Bob both Robbie Bob Old.

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<v Speaker 1>Robbie Bob is back at it again. Sam has said

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<v Speaker 1>he said that Marvel released no more than three movies

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<v Speaker 1>and two shows per year. This is at odds with

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel's twenty twenty five calendar, where four films were slated

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<v Speaker 1>for release Captain America, Bravety World, Thunderbolts, Fantastic four, and Blade.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course this is in a reaction response to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that I think everybody acknowledges that Marvel kind

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<v Speaker 1>of flooded the zone with too much content in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three and twenty twenty four, leading to the audience

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<v Speaker 1>is essentially saying, with their dollars and with their reviews,

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<v Speaker 1>were kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of tapped out right now, Yeah, I am very interested

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<v Speaker 3>in this. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think three movies and two shows per Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like.

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<v Speaker 1>A law, even if someone who has still sound like

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<v Speaker 1>a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy this stuff like a lot, but that still

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<v Speaker 2>to me sounds like maybe you're not drawing back as

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<v Speaker 2>much as you should. But you know what, I got

0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 2>a refresh this year. We had Echo, which we loved.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Deadpool, which is the only movie Wolverine Deadpool,

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<v Speaker 2>and then if Agatha still comes out, the Wondervision spin

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<v Speaker 2>off will have that. And we'll have the animated Spider

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<v Speaker 2>Man show, which I know we were really excited about,

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<v Speaker 2>which I believe used to be called Freshman Year, but

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<v Speaker 2>now it's called Your Friendly Neighborhood spider Man. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna this is gonna be a good reset year. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be interested to appas next year. Obviously doesn't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>Blade is coming out next year with all the production issues,

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<v Speaker 2>though it is still slated for next year, so it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be interesting to see.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean Bobby Rob brought you up to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He says they're gonna be leaning more, leaning more on

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<v Speaker 2>sequels rather than originals.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they're learning the best lessons from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, but you know what, we'll give it a try,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will be here obviously to report all the

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<v Speaker 2>news and talk about all the movies and TV that

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<v Speaker 2>don't make it to the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, finally, on a recent WB Discovery early call,

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<v Speaker 1>WB Discovery CEO David Zaslav mentioned that the company's financials

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<v Speaker 1>took a pretty big hit because of quote the disappointing

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<v Speaker 1>release of Suicide Squad, the much ballyhooed Suicide Squad game

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<v Speaker 1>from rock Steady Studios, which has lost reportedly in the

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<v Speaker 1>realm of of two hundred million, a two hundred million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars hit to the company. For various reasons, I think

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<v Speaker 1>central among them is a problem that is pretty unique

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<v Speaker 1>to the video game space, which is triple A releases

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<v Speaker 1>of games that aren't finished. I think this game suffered

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<v Speaker 1>from that. The disappointing, Yeah, the disappointing release of Suicide Squad.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's really disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think another big issue is these companies wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>like the corporations, not that people may in the games,

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to kind of jump onto trend of video games.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know that when when the first trailer in

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<v Speaker 2>gameplay release of this came out, people were just really

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<v Speaker 2>pissed off because they thought it was gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of Arkham esque puzzle game story game, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with first person shooter elements and stuff, but instead it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Very heads up heavy shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the case of this game, especially as like

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<v Speaker 2>a Triple A game, I think you're right not being finished,

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<v Speaker 2>but also not trusting rock Steady to just do what

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<v Speaker 2>they usually do, which is make really great, intricate, incredible

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<v Speaker 2>games and not give them enough time. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>Suicide Squad killed the Justice League that promises so much

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<v Speaker 2>potential for one of those sprawling stories.

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<v Speaker 3>I still play the Arkham games now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we're always banging on about them, but I

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<v Speaker 2>love those games so much, and I think this felt

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<v Speaker 2>like it had that potential to be another one of

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<v Speaker 2>those games you'd be playing ten years later, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think the ultimate outcome was that it didn't hit that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that there is a feeling in games

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<v Speaker 1>when when you don't get a product as a gamer

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<v Speaker 1>that feels finished in terms of story, in terms of narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>not just like the mechanics and the gameplay and the

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<v Speaker 1>way the game plays, you know, the game kind of

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<v Speaker 1>went from a coherent story to this kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing story chapter kind of thing where you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this live service angle where the story would unfold through DLC,

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<v Speaker 1>through updates. It feels as if, as a gamer, what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening is, well, they're just trying to extract money from me,

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<v Speaker 1>like all the time, so I can't. I'm paying for

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<v Speaker 1>this game and I don't even get something that's finished,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's very disappointing. And it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>problem that's unique to rock Steady or this project. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not something that happens, you know, across the board, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's it's disappointing, but coming up something that's not disappointing.

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<v Speaker 1>Our conversation with Josie Campbell Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Josie Campbell is a Los Angeles based television writer and producer,

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<v Speaker 2>an alumni of Emerson College and the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater,

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<v Speaker 2>which she will talk a little bit about more in

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<v Speaker 2>our chat. Josie's ran some of our favorite shows, including

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<v Speaker 2>camp Cretaceous, She ra Princess of Power, and most recently,

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<v Speaker 2>she was the head writer and co producer for the

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<v Speaker 2>animated series My Adventures With Superman, and she's also written

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<v Speaker 2>a smagus board of DC movies and TV, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>here today to talk about her amazing career and the

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<v Speaker 2>upcoming My Adventures with Superman comic book series.

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<v Speaker 3>Start with hot, Start with hot with glass?

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<v Speaker 1>Why Why is your Clark slash Superman actually hotter with glasses?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Clark Kent has always been hot, That's what

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 4>I say. Uh, I like glasses. Uh, I mean, uh,

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.919
<v Speaker 4>it sounds funny, but we did have a rule on

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 4>the show, and like the artists would laugh and we're like, no,

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 4>we're dead serious. Like everybody is cute and hot. Every

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 4>single character who shows up, Ma, She's cute and hot. Clark,

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:30.119
<v Speaker 4>He's cute and hot. Like, uh, Jimmy cute and hot.

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 4>Just everybody is just the cutest, cutiest little petuity on

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 4>the show, and we need to draw them that way. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And absolutely, and it delivered, you guys, delivered on the

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>cute petuti.

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<v Speaker 4>Ruleing my office is right next to Jake Wyatt, who's

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<v Speaker 4>a kosherrunner and Koe p and uh. We would just

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<v Speaker 4>every now and then I'd hear through the wall, no hotter, Yeah, yea.

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<v Speaker 4>I looked at like as he's like giving wrong over

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 4>instructions of people. They were like, yeah, that's that's right,

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 4>that's right, Clark Kent Superman He's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love guy. I love the idea that off camera,

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<v Speaker 1>like not in a scene. Off camera. Lois and Jimmy

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>were like, you know, gosh, I think Superman kind of

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 1>looks like Clark, but like a less handsome version.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're going back now.

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<v Speaker 2>Something we always ask people here is like, what's your

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>comic book origin story? Like, what's the comic book or

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<v Speaker 2>the character that made you fall in love with comics.

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<v Speaker 4>So my comic book Orgiester. I'm old enough that I

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<v Speaker 4>remember when comics were still being sold in CBS's so

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 4>like pharmacies. So yeah, so as a kid, we would

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<v Speaker 4>go to the local pharmacy.

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was a kid of the nineties, and my

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 4>first comics were like a Wonder Woman comic and the

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 4>Death of Superman are and those were the things that

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 4>made me fall in love with comics because I was

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<v Speaker 4>just so like, I was just kind of I didn't

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 4>know what was going going on. I was just picking

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<v Speaker 4>up a comic and coming in right in the middle

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 4>of this. I'm like, what is happening, and I was

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 4>so intrigued. And then you know, on TV, I was

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 4>watching anime like Sailor Moon had just come over to America.

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 4>Drugon ball Z had just come over to America. I

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<v Speaker 4>found out those were comics too, So basically, like DC

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 4>Comics was my introduction slash Gateway Drug into comic books,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was just enthralled. I love superhero comics, I

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 4>love fight scenes, I love big emotions like I love

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 4>the soap opera nature of comics, like just all of

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 4>that from like age like seven onwards.

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<v Speaker 3>I was hooked.

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<v Speaker 1>So we kind of touched on it. But tell us

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more about the iteration process for the

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>character designs. They are so winning, so charming. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>Lois with the short hair, super hot Clark, super hot everybody,

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and I personally love the way that the animation style

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 1>elevated the core characteristics of all these characters. Yeah, but

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>tell us a little bit about that process.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean so like, so much credit goes to

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 4>our design team, so much goes to the artists working

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<v Speaker 4>on the show. But then also you know to co

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 4>showrunners and coep's Jake Wyatt and Brendan klawher like I was.

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 4>I was actually when they first started developing the show,

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 4>I was working on DreamWorks. I was the head writer

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 4>for Jurassic World, Camp Catacious, and I had known Great

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 4>Thank You, and I had known Brendan from Shira and

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 4>we were pals. And so he and Jake like took

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 4>me out to like lunch, and we're like, we want

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 4>you to come work on the show with us, and

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I don't know. And then they're like,

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 4>here's Jake and brendan' shrawing some Clark Lowis and Jimmy

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, Okay, yeah, never mind, I'm in.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, but like the very idea of our show

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 4>was let's do something that both feels original. It feels

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 4>very much like this is the core of this character,

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 4>this is who Superman and Clark Kent is, but at

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, do it in a way that people

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<v Speaker 4>haven't seen before. And that was really the mandate all

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 4>throughout every part of it, like writing the show, designing

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 4>the show is Okay, what if we take this character

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:21.719
<v Speaker 4>that people know and make a slightly new version of them,

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 4>It's still the same core person. You know, Jimmy is

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 4>still getting kidnapped by gorillas and obsessed with like silver

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 4>age stuff. Lois is still jumping into danger and getting

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 4>herself kidnapped on purpose. But here's sort of the version

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 4>of them we've never seen before. Here's the version of

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 4>Lois who like, you know, for our modern audience, here's

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 4>her gumption, here's what she looks like. And then once

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 4>we started the show, we had such a strong design team,

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 4>like Jane Bach was our art director, Dohanng was our

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 4>like one of her character leads, and just every time

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 4>we would write in the script, are like, okay, like

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 4>here is Slade Wilson, here's like comics with his appearance.

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 4>And then they'd be like, what if he's a bashonan

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 4>pretty boy and he's just running around And we're like, yeah,

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 4>you know what, I have never seen that before. Yeah, yeah,

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:12.479
<v Speaker 4>you know, the same thing of a lot of care

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.479
<v Speaker 4>like heat Wave, Live Wire. They're like, okay, what if

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 4>they look like this now though, and we're like, yeah,

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 4>we've never seen that version of them before. So you know,

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 4>Brendan and Jake set the set the bar high, and

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.960
<v Speaker 4>then our incredible design team would just go go ham

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 4>They just go off and they'd come back and they're like,

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 4>here's seven designs for heat Wave, and each one she's

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<v Speaker 4>like bigger and musclier than the last. Which one do

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 4>you want? We know which one we want.

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 3>You're like, the bigger, the bath, bigger, the better. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was your journey to getting into animation, because

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>this isn't your first foray into d C. You've also done.

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>You wrote Legion of Superheroes. I think we chatted about

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 2>that for DC dot Calm. You work on some other

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>DC animations. So what was your journey of getting into animation,

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Getting to kind of herald these incredible characters from Jurassic World.

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, I love that show so much with my

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 2>children that I would die for to, you know, getting

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 2>to do my adventures with Superman.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean so, I you know, I went to

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 4>school for theater. Actually, originally I thought I wanted to

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 4>be the next David Mammott, and I was like, gonna

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 4>write serious plays, and then like my first semester, I

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.720
<v Speaker 4>got into like a TV writing a class and a

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.839
<v Speaker 4>a comedy troupe, and I was like, never mind, I'm

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 4>gonna do like comedy and TV. And then you know,

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 4>the entire time, like I've loved animation since I was

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 4>a kid, Like I was like the teenager who'd come

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 4>home because I had to watch Justice League Unlimited, like

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 4>I needed to hit Tunami, like I needed to like

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 4>watch all of that stuff. And you know, when I

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 4>went to college, I met a bunch of friends who

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 4>were also into animation. Like some of our sketches we

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.800
<v Speaker 4>would do for a comedy troup would be like limited

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 4>animation we did ourselves, or claymation. And then when I

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 4>moved out to Los Angeles, one of those friends got

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:02.760
<v Speaker 4>a job working for Alan, who is the producer famous

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 4>producer of Batman and the animated series, and put us

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 4>one of my scripts in front of him, and Alan

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 4>called me and it was like, I really like your work,

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 4>like pitch me things, and so Alan gave me my

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 4>first job. It was like pitching Scooby Doo and then

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 4>Justice League, Action stuff, Pinicula just sort of like everything.

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 4>And then from there I just kept going. You know,

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 4>I became the head writer of She Run the Princess

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 4>of Power over at DreamWorks, head writer of Jurassic World

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 4>Camp Cretaceous, and then yeah, basically Brendan and Jake were like, no,

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 4>you want to come and work on Superman. I'm like,

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 4>you're absolutely right, I want to do that, And I

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 4>came over and the three of us, you know, Della

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:40.760
<v Speaker 4>the show a little bit more and wrote the pilot

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 4>and got the green light and it's been a it's

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 4>been Metropolis ever since.

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:47.240
<v Speaker 2>What is it like for you to have that journey

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 2>from being a fan from your first comics being you know,

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Death of Superman to now getting to reshape this character

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>for a kind of new generation.

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's it's huge. It's like both really lovely. It's

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 4>it's extremely excited and also occasionally daunting because.

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, I love this kid.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I love this character so much. But when

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 4>you're you know, in the creative process, what you do

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 4>is what you feel is right. Like it's you know,

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 4>when you're being creative, you're like, Okay, what would I

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 4>like to see or what I what do I think

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 4>would be like engaging or what's most satisfying to me?

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 4>And it's it's hard because you don't know if that

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 4>necessarily will resonate with other people. You just know it

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 4>resonates with you. So to have our Superman get out

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 4>there and to see it resonate with so many people

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 4>and have so many people you know, come up to

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 4>me and say, like, you know, this is the Superman,

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 4>Like I've been dying to see for like a decade,

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 4>Like I missed the Superman has been really really rewarding

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 4>and then daunting again because I'm like, oh God, I

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 4>hope you like season two. I hope we can keep

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:48.439
<v Speaker 4>that feeling going.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I think one of my favorite things about your show

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:58.319
<v Speaker 1>is that Superman is Clark. That relationship is you know,

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>different every time you see Superman with different creative teams.

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes Clark is just like a preceding chapter and the

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>entire stories really about Superman. But this Superman is Clark.

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Tell us about creating that tone and that vibe of

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>really unifying Superman and Clark.

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean again, it was. It was both something

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 4>that we hadn't seen in a while and something that

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 4>felt core to the character that you know, there's always,

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, in those Geekee debates, there's always like who

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 4>is he? Is he Superman and Clark Kent is the

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 4>masker is Hee Clark and Superman's the mask And you know,

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 4>for I think a long time, we've seen Superman is

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 4>the real one and Clark is like the put On persona.

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 4>You know, I love the Donner movie, but you've got that,

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, the most recent Snyder movies are definitely that.

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm excited to see what James Gunn has

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 4>to offer. But for us, you know, Clark is the

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 4>interesting one because he's the human one, Like he is

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 4>a kid who like he showed up on Earth as

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.879
<v Speaker 4>a baby and was raised in the Midwest like my mom,

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 4>like he you know, to us, the most interesting version

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.760
<v Speaker 4>of this character is what he is is most human

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 4>and he's trying to fit in and he's scared that

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 4>he might superpower break something, and he's holding himself back

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 4>and then like learning to embrace who he is. And

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 4>a big part of that came out of what we

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 4>started with in the pilot in the first two episodes,

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 4>which is one of the biggest chances you want to do,

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 4>is we didn't want him to get that like Crystal

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 4>that tells him everything about his origin.

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Like you said that in a lot.

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 4>Of movies and a lot of media where they're like, Clark,

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 4>you are my son, and you are Superman and this

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.760
<v Speaker 4>is S stands for hope, and here is your powers,

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:40.400
<v Speaker 4>and we wanted our clerk to not know any of

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 4>that he is discovering who he is and what he

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 4>can do along with the audience. And that also feels

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 4>very relatable to us and also very modern to us,

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 4>that here's this person who hasn't quite figured out who

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 4>he is, but he's slowly getting there. And it's just

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.720
<v Speaker 4>it gives us the potential for so much story where

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, theoretically you've seen this character before, you've seen

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.879
<v Speaker 4>a million iterations of him, but you don't know where

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 4>this story is going because you don't know what Clark's

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 4>about to discover about himself next, or discover about the

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 4>world next.

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're not not only do we have season

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 2>two coming up, which we will talk about in a minute,

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 2>but you're writing My Adventures with Superman the comic. So

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 2>what was it like to get to you know, not

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned you had this success, People come up to you,

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>they tell you've been waiting for it. What was it

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>like for DC to then come up to you and say, well,

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 2>do you want to make it a comic?

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you want to translate this back into the format

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>that it began with?

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:33.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 4>It was really it was really great and Aws so

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, hey, I get to write a Superman comic. Like,

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 4>that's not something I thought i'd ever scratch off my

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 4>like Bingo card. So no, it was really exciting because

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, I love the show. I love working on it.

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad people like it. And then yeah, when

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 4>DC approached us, approached us and approached me, they're like, hey, like,

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 4>do you have like you know, we'd love to do

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 4>something like or like a spin off or something like that.

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:00.879
<v Speaker 4>Do you have any ideas? And the is actually sort

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 4>of based on this idea we kind of had in

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 4>the writer's room, but just there was never a place

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.479
<v Speaker 4>for it in season one. So the comic. The comic

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.839
<v Speaker 4>takes place in between season one and season two. It's

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 4>not gonna spoil anything for season two, but like some

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:15.399
<v Speaker 4>things will like it'll like connect a little bit better

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 4>tea up. But yeah, it's kind of an original story

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 4>that we came up with based off of the Amazo

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 4>Tech robot that's in suits that Doctor Ivo was making

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 4>and takes place during Christmas, So it's also our basically

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 4>fake Christmas episode and I think it's it's gonna be

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 4>a lot of fun, like very additive, like you can

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.240
<v Speaker 4>watch season two without it, but if you watch season

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 4>two and read the comic, I think you're gonna get

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 4>a lot more out of like especially like Clark's like

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 4>relation to like Krypton and his powers and stuff like that.

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and visually it looks so much like the show.

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Like the artist, it's such a brilliant job bringing the

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 2>tone to life.

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, No, Pablo is the uh is the artist,

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 4>is the line artist, and he's just incredible. And you know,

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 4>we talked Andrew is my editor over at DC, and

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 4>we talked about, like, you know, well, how do we

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 4>like approximate like the look, and like one of the

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 4>big things is, you know, we're all, you know, everybody

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 4>working on the show is a kid of the nineties,

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 4>two thousands. We're all very influenced by anime. Like, so

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 4>we're like, okay, for the comic, let's have somebody who's

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 4>very influenced by manga. So, you know, Pablo comes in

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 4>and he's doing an amazing job. We got him like

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of backgrounds and a bunch of like of

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.719
<v Speaker 4>the design work in art so he could like look

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:31.840
<v Speaker 4>at it and like approximate it in his style. But

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 4>then he goes above and beyond kids. He's like literally

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 4>applying screen tone, like like handling everything like you would

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.880
<v Speaker 4>in a manga. So I think it's just like a

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 4>project that everybody who touches it gets excited to dive

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 4>into it. So I think, yeah, me and Pablo are

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 4>thrilled to have people read the comic.

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Season two of My Adventures with Superman debuts me twenty

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>fifth on Adult Swim. What can you tell us about

0:41:58.480 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 1>season two?

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I know, I'm trying to think of like what

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 4>doesn't give spoilers. So season two, you know, you think

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 4>people can see from the trailer there's gonna be a

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 4>lot more villains, there's gonna be some new characters showing up,

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:17.879
<v Speaker 4>including perhaps a specific female character. But like, I think

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 4>the biggest thing, you know, the season two sort of

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 4>picks up like basically that very next year, their first

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 4>year reporters. They're no longer interns. They're starting to make

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 4>their mark in the city, and I think a lot

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 4>of what we're going to be doing in the season

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 4>is sort of testing those bonds, Like you know, they

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.279
<v Speaker 4>were so bonded to Jimmy, Lewis and Clark were such

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 4>a team in season one and now their dreams are

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 4>coming true. But that's a little bit more pressure. There's

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 4>a little bit more question of like what their future

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:49.919
<v Speaker 4>is going to be. So I think you're gonna see

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 4>those relationships tested a little bit. And then yeah, and

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:57.359
<v Speaker 4>then like I think we're going beyond just Metropolis. There's

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.759
<v Speaker 4>gonna be some characters people are gonna see showing up.

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 4>I think again, it's it's of the core of them

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:08.359
<v Speaker 4>is the same, but the way they look is going

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 4>to be very different, and some of the ways they

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 4>act is gonna be very different. So and we have

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:17.240
<v Speaker 4>Michael Emerson this season, so I'm excited.

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that must be one of the most

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.840
<v Speaker 2>exciting things is getting to expand this. So I was

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna say, just before we go, what what's the kind

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 2>of hero or villain that you'd like to write most

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.399
<v Speaker 2>next Not necessarily in the show.

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 3>It can be in a movie and in one of

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 3>the comics.

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 4>Oh man, that's hard. I mean Superman has been like

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:39.880
<v Speaker 4>my top tier for like years, Like, I absolutely love Superman,

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 4>I love his villains. Man, that's a really hard question.

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:47.760
<v Speaker 4>Like I think I'd love to like do something completely

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 4>different and like write something in like the Batman universe,

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.719
<v Speaker 4>like like a Catwoman like Mini or something like that

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 4>would be fun. But like it's it's hard when you've

0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 4>hit Superman. It's hits hard Superman. Yeah, brain like lex Luthor,

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 4>like all of that is hard to top.

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, Josie, thanks so much for joining us.

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you, guys, thank you. In today's back Matter,

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 2>where we dive a little bit deeper into a ongoing

0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:29.799
<v Speaker 2>topic or conversation or something that we think you might

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 2>like to know a bit more about, we're going to

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 2>talk about animated movies for superhero comic book adaptations versus.

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 3>Live action movies, and specifically in.

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>The DC realm, because yeah, the reality is that for

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a long time, DC animated movies were seen as the

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 2>gold standard for any superhero movie, like in the nineties

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>and the Zero's pre.

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 3>MCU, even after the X Men and Spider Man.

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 2>I will say, a lot of people would say, nah,

0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Crisis on Earth too, that's the one, Like these are

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 2>my movie, like the Mask of the Phantasm.

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:02.920
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 2>So DC has always had an incredibly strong economy of

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 2>animated subero movies, which is kind of why it's funny

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 2>that for a lot of people they felt like their

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 2>live action movies didn't live up.

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Now, I personally will say I do.

0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Think that the live action movies that DC has put out,

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a really interesting variety to them, but

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 2>they've definitely never had that consistency of those those DC

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 2>animated movies. Do you remember the first time you kind

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 2>of discovered that that treasure trove of those films?

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, it would have been after you know, the

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 1>classic Batman the animated series and then going into them.

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 1>It was I mean, there was a period of time,

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I would say ten to twelve years ago, as the

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.919
<v Speaker 1>MCU was spinning up and was beginning to take over

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:56.240
<v Speaker 1>the world in DC outside of the Nolan Batman movies,

0:45:56.320 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, what are we doing? Where all

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 1>my DC friends and they're completely correct about this. We're like, well,

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 1>why don't they just take the creative teams behind the

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 1>enemies right and give them the keys to start producing

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:17.359
<v Speaker 1>these movies? And they're absolutely correct. I think you're right,

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Like that has been the gold standard for a while.

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:25.880
<v Speaker 1>The adaptations are wonderful, and there's something else too, like

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I almost feel like, I don't know, having seen the

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:35.319
<v Speaker 1>perfectly good Blue Beetle, the most recent Aquaman movie. I

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:39.280
<v Speaker 1>almost feel as if there's like a cyclical thing happening

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:44.719
<v Speaker 1>where DC movies chase the marvel tone of this kind

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>of laughy stuff. Right now, it almost feels like, yes,

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the audiences are wanting the previous DC live action tone,

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>which is the grittier tone. So I'll be interested to

0:46:55.040 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 1>see how that changes DC's approach. But I mean, what

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:02.320
<v Speaker 1>do you think, what are if you were going to

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 1>recommend some of the best DCAU stuff, what would you say?

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 2>I would obviously I would definitely say start with you know,

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Mask of the Phantasm, which actually technically isn't under that

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 2>DC Universe Animated Original Movie banner, but it is like

0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 2>one of the best movies that DC's ever made, and

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 2>it regularly still plays in the cinema as well, like

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>at least once the year they'll kind of re release it.

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>But if you're looking at like the kind of actual

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 2>ac DCAU as they called it, Superman Doomsday, it's really good.

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 3>I own it on DVD. That's a great one.

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<v Speaker 2>Justice League the New Frontier, which was absolutely fantastic. They

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<v Speaker 2>did All Star Superman, which I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people loved. Justice League Doom is another really good one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting because they basically adapted like many, many,

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<v Speaker 2>many of the most famous DC comics. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>love like the Killing Joke, there is an adaptation of

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<v Speaker 2>it that one wasn't necessarily for me. Batman Gotham by Gaslight,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that one. That was one of the later ones.

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<v Speaker 2>And Batman under the Red Hood is another really good one.

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<v Speaker 2>My nephew's really into Jason Todd right now, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>like a big thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. The good thing is there's basically all kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of great.

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<v Speaker 2>Movies that they've managed to bring their own tone. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't often ape the art style, which I do think

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<v Speaker 2>is interesting. I found that really interesting watching The Dark

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<v Speaker 2>Knight Returns one. It doesn't have that Frank Miller Lim

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<v Speaker 2>Varley art style. But the cool thing is you can

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<v Speaker 2>literally just google DC Animated original movie and it will

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<v Speaker 2>come up and there's like thirty or forty movies.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think one of.

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<v Speaker 2>The things, and this is another thing I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>ask you about. One of the things I think is

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<v Speaker 2>most interesting about this is like it's that question of

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<v Speaker 2>why does live action sometimes struggle where animation doesn't. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's because they can do more in animation

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<v Speaker 2>that would cost so much more money to do in

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<v Speaker 2>live action.

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<v Speaker 3>Like think about so recently.

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<v Speaker 2>We had Spider Man Across the Spider Verse, and we

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<v Speaker 2>had Teenage Mutant it was new and Mayhem. Both of

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<v Speaker 2>those were huge smashes in a time when people were like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's comic book fatigue.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's comica move tigue. Both of them are

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<v Speaker 3>comic book movies.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's something there where they can bring a style

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<v Speaker 2>and a tone and a vibe and ambition that I

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<v Speaker 2>think you can't always get in live action. And I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that's like one of the pros of keeping

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<v Speaker 2>the animated comic book movies going.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that there is, you know, an authenticity

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<v Speaker 1>to the kind of action that you imagine. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I when I read comics every sin sorry as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, You're seeing what's on the panel, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>imagining the action as it takes place as well. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know that the Batman and animated series was so

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<v Speaker 1>good at translating that into the thing that you and

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<v Speaker 1>the X Men animated series was so good at translating

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<v Speaker 1>the action that I'm imagining into something that I'm actually

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<v Speaker 1>seeing to your point. I think it's just easier. It's

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<v Speaker 1>easier to nail the tone. There's something about animation that

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<v Speaker 1>says that that speaks to the way you interpret the

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<v Speaker 1>form when you first pick it up. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not adult, Uh, it's not. It frames the story, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter the kind of emotional or plot context, in something

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<v Speaker 1>that feels natural to comics. So you can get as serious,

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<v Speaker 1>as gritty and as violent as is necessary, but it

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<v Speaker 1>always feels tonally correct. And when you take that and

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<v Speaker 1>you put the kind of violence that you see in

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<v Speaker 1>animation into live action, what you have often is like harsh,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just it can be horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about Invincible, you know, yeah, how there's so much

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<v Speaker 2>but even that moment, I'm so glad you brought up

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<v Speaker 2>X Men ninety seven actually because obviously we're living in

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<v Speaker 2>a renaissance of Marvel animation right now with that show.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, think about the ending.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the last episode spoiler alert, put your ear muffs on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Wolverine having the Adamantium torn off his bones.

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<v Speaker 3>They managed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do so much blood, so much fear in his eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>But that would have been an R rated movie if

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<v Speaker 2>you put that.

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<v Speaker 1>In a movie, it'd be horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I think you make a great point.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another thing is you can translate some of the

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<v Speaker 2>darker stuff in a way that's more accessible and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like easy for people to swallow than if it

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:32.279
<v Speaker 2>was in you know, a scary R rated movie, which

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<v Speaker 2>obviously we don't get a lot of those when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to superheroes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just not something we get.

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<v Speaker 1>We always like to end the show with fast paced

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<v Speaker 1>segment and this time we're doing Who's Who, in which

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<v Speaker 1>we are gonna select our favorite deep cut DC weirdo

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie who you got?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? Detective Chimp? Is he that deep cut anymore? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like people maybe know him, but he's a chimp,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a detective.

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<v Speaker 3>I love him. He's an old school character.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one of my favorite characters, this is very in

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<v Speaker 2>the Doom Patrol Realm. I love flex mentalo O, created

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:07.759
<v Speaker 2>by Grant Morrison and Richard Case. If you've ever read

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<v Speaker 2>an old superhero comic and you've seen in the back

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.440
<v Speaker 2>a Charles Atlas ad and it's like you can become

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<v Speaker 2>strong just like send us, you know, five dollars and

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:18.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll teach out to become strong.

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<v Speaker 3>Flex Mentalo is.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially a guy from one of those adverts that comes

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<v Speaker 2>to life and and is this incredible meta take on superheroes.

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<v Speaker 2>And Frank Quietly and Grant Marrison did a great flex

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<v Speaker 2>Mentalo mini series that you can read and it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those are those are two of my all time faves.

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<v Speaker 3>What about you?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to stress that favorite is not what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going for here. It's me. You're going for weird about

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 1>this weird? I'm going for weird, truly weird. Josie was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about nineties comics and there was no weirder period

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in the history of comics. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>pick a true product of the nineties, cod piece who

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to control in the nineties. It is a villain,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly a villain who was created in order to mock

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<v Speaker 1>some of the trends that were popular at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the over use of armor and huge pockets and knee

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:26.760
<v Speaker 1>pads and all these different kind of like military esque

0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 1>accouterments on characters, costumes, codpieces, a villain who is It's

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.799
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you think, folks, It's exactly the the the

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<v Speaker 1>piece of this character's costume that is overemphasized is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that he is named after. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Extreme in every way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and one of the weirdest things that's ever happened in.

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<v Speaker 2>Its nineties comics Baby, That's an episode we have to

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<v Speaker 2>do one day, the Extreme era.

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<v Speaker 3>What a time.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday's episode of x ra Vision, we're diving into

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<v Speaker 1>X Men ninety seven after the season wraps, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be joined by the incredible Me and Queen and X

0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Men Superman Stephanie Williams. And then on Friday, we're dropping

0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:14.799
<v Speaker 1>a mini surprise episode for you webheads out there. Until then,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening by x ray Vision is hosted by

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Kitsumsion and Rosie Knight and is a production of

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<v Speaker 1>Our supervising producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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