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Speaker 2: In today's episode, in the previously on we're talking everything DC.
Speaker 2: What about that Superman taking a long time to put
Speaker 2: on his boots? What do we think about it? You're
Speaker 2: gonna find out in the very cool airlock interview. Today
Speaker 2: we have Josie Campbell, who is the showrunner of My
Speaker 2: Adventures with Superman and also the writer of anew My
Speaker 2: Adventures with Superman comic for a lovely chat. And in
Speaker 2: the back man, we're gonna chop it up a little
Speaker 2: bit about DC Live Action versus DC Animation and kind
Speaker 2: of superhero movies and their trajectory right now.
Speaker 3: But first, previously on.
Speaker 1: X Men ninety seven, Tolerance is Extinction Part two drop
Speaker 1: last week, and we simply must talk about this, Rosie Jason,
Speaker 1: because you know, my friend Aaron Edwards posted on the
Speaker 1: social media platform known as x that before Magneto finished
Speaker 1: his speech he would have been standing next to him
Speaker 1: when you know he basically said, Okay, which side you
Speaker 1: want Charles or you want me? I have to agree.
Speaker 1: And I also have to applaud X Men ninety seven
Speaker 1: for not pulling any punches in showing just how naive
Speaker 1: Charles is has been is in the comics and continues
Speaker 1: to be amazing episode.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean it blew my mind because one,
Speaker 2: they have a che so much in this season. Now
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie I have I will put one
Speaker 2: caveat in. I think they did such a good job
Speaker 2: in the previous eight episodes that Magneto's turn hare felt
Speaker 2: a little speedy to me. I felt like Magneto had
Speaker 2: been such an invested, interesting, incredible, empathetic character that has
Speaker 2: kind of turned to the bad side here. Took me
Speaker 2: a little bit by surprise, even though I knew the comics.
Speaker 2: But I love I love Asteroid m I love all
Speaker 2: these outrageous kind of moments we get some direct from
Speaker 2: the comic book moments here. There's also a very interesting
Speaker 2: thing that I noticed that Rogue is kind of a stand.
Speaker 3: In for Colossus here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Colossus was really a big part of this storyline,
Speaker 2: and we even get this moment where she's attacking them
Speaker 2: with this kind of column, and that's directly from you know,
Speaker 2: Colossus in the comics.
Speaker 3: Also, obviously, it ends.
Speaker 2: With that shocking moment that in our discord we had
Speaker 2: a lot of people saying like this isn't for kids,
Speaker 2: Like this is such a scary, horrifying moment.
Speaker 1: They did it with the with the I've been stabbed
Speaker 1: in anime effect too, Yes, big.
Speaker 3: It was very invincible.
Speaker 2: So so the episode ends with another one of classic
Speaker 2: Charles worst plans.
Speaker 3: I have to say, this is a problem throughout comics.
Speaker 2: This is a problem in this this is a problem
Speaker 2: in the Blooming X Men movies from Fox. Charles, why
Speaker 2: do you send a man with metal bones to fight Magneto?
Speaker 2: Put him on the other team. And the cool thing
Speaker 2: is we did get the Blue and Gold teams here
Speaker 2: for the first time, which we've never had in the
Speaker 2: comics before, like named like that. But I do think
Speaker 2: Charles should have put Wolverine on the other team, not
Speaker 2: the Magneto team. But I understand why you want to
Speaker 2: recreate that incredible Adam Kuberc cover.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's terrifying.
Speaker 1: I have this to say about Magneto's turn to the
Speaker 1: quote unquote the bad side and Charles's speech in general.
Speaker 1: I would push back on Magneto turning to the bedside.
Speaker 1: I'll say this Charles, as Charles sees himself as a
Speaker 1: centrist right, he is trying to corral these two war parties,
Speaker 1: the humans facing them and his own really militaristic war
Speaker 1: party in mutantdom like and try to corral them and
Speaker 1: bring peace so that millions, if not billions, won't die.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a very commendable thing to do,
Speaker 1: and I think under certain circumstances that would make a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. It really would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I think the issue is that a state of open
Speaker 1: warfare already exists between humankind and mutant. The mutants have
Speaker 1: been working so hard with the X Men, trying to
Speaker 1: keep mutant terrorists, mutant militants, etc. Who want to provoke
Speaker 1: something in check. That's their whole mission statement over these years,
Speaker 1: like keeping the Juggernauts from doing crazy shit, and Black
Speaker 1: Magneto and the Brother of Evil Mutants and Mystique and
Speaker 1: the Blah, all of them keep it being like don't
Speaker 1: start a war. The humans have all their militaries, they
Speaker 1: have the Avengers, they have all these super teams. Not
Speaker 1: one of them has ever stepped up to be like,
Speaker 1: let's stop the Sentinels from killing the mutints. I not
Speaker 1: stop all of our trask from doing anything. Let's and
Speaker 1: now that Genosha has happened, and the human governments and
Speaker 1: the Avengers are like, we sat that one out. I
Speaker 1: don't know, we missed it. You have to if you're
Speaker 1: a mutant, you have to say the humans have declared
Speaker 1: war on us. Magneto did something, turned off all the
Speaker 1: electricity of the world because they were about to get
Speaker 1: wiped out. The Bastian box were running wild like it
Speaker 1: was happening, like mutans were dying that very minute, and
Speaker 1: he had to do something to stop it. And in
Speaker 1: order to turn on the electricity, I say, because I
Speaker 1: again saying that a state of war exists, I think
Speaker 1: you have to negotiate that. That's not just we turn
Speaker 1: it on. That's what are you gonna do about Bastian
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do about the Sentinels? What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do about these high ranking figures in human
Speaker 1: governments that are actively working towards the extinction of mutants
Speaker 1: before we turn the electricity on. Let's talk about that,
Speaker 1: because what Charles miss is is he's no longer a centrist.
Speaker 1: He's on the far far, far left. And Magneto, to
Speaker 1: borrow a phrase, is correct because he's been he's been
Speaker 1: saying all this time, fight fight, fight, fight, fight, defend mutants,
Speaker 1: and now because a state of war does exist, he
Speaker 1: is the center. He's the center party. And so, Charles,
Speaker 1: you've been away.
Speaker 3: With your girlfriends exactly.
Speaker 1: You need to wake up and smell the coffie about
Speaker 1: what's going on here. You can't just drop in and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'm back. Acts like yeah, act like
Speaker 1: you didn't miss everything that's been happening. So, Charles, his
Speaker 1: hard is in the right place, but he doesn't understand
Speaker 1: the chessboard as it currently exists. Magneto, sadly is right,
Speaker 1: and before we turn on the power, we need to
Speaker 1: get some concessions from the humans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the ultimate Magneto's Right show. I
Speaker 2: feel like they're very much in our like in our wheelhouse. Also,
Speaker 2: I will say people who have been away for a week.
Speaker 2: The funniest I love that moment where Storm and Gene
Speaker 2: have this like connective moment.
Speaker 3: But Storm doesn't know about Madeline Pryor, so.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know that like the person she actually like,
Speaker 2: her sister is like gone, and now it's Gene.
Speaker 1: So like, let's get it.
Speaker 3: If you leave the X Mansion for like a week,
Speaker 3: you are losing.
Speaker 2: Okay, So before we finish talking about this, we have
Speaker 2: to talk about the moment there's obviously leading up to.
Speaker 3: So it's giving.
Speaker 2: I will say it's giving Age of Apocalypse. I do
Speaker 2: think that could be season two instead of Cricola. But finale, let's.
Speaker 3: Talk about the likelihood of onslaught.
Speaker 2: Because Charles took over Magneto's mind, Scott randomly kind of
Speaker 2: stopped him when.
Speaker 3: It seemed like that wouldn't. That ended up leading to.
Speaker 2: Wolverine getting his magnionetic metal pulled out of his body.
Speaker 3: Thanks Charles.
Speaker 2: So are we gonna get an onslaught in this final episode?
Speaker 3: I believe? So do you want should I explain quickly
Speaker 3: what onslaught is?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I think you're right explain it.
Speaker 2: So in comics, there was a very unpopular nineties series
Speaker 2: that was a Marvel editorial edict because they wanted to
Speaker 2: restart these heroes as part of the legendary return of
Speaker 2: the Image comics guys. And basically what happened was Magneto
Speaker 2: ends up in a coma after Charles wipes Magneto's mind,
Speaker 2: but from going into his mind, he's gained all his
Speaker 2: evil thoughts, hiding Magneto's evil side within his brain. And
Speaker 2: then Xavier begins taking on like more and more violent behavior,
Speaker 2: more aggressive, becoming more like the output inverted Comma's worst
Speaker 2: side of Magneto. He transforms into this monster called Onslaught,
Speaker 2: and then he kills the X Men. He kills I
Speaker 2: think the Avengers too, because heroes reborn needed to rebirth them,
Speaker 2: so it's very controversial.
Speaker 3: Very infamous. I think he kills the Fantastic Four as well.
Speaker 2: He's just killing everybody and it's basically Xavier turning into
Speaker 2: a crazy, giant monster. I do think we could see
Speaker 2: Onslaught happening in the finale.
Speaker 3: Along with there's been a lot of Phoenix nods.
Speaker 2: Do we think the Phoenix is show up? Like, what
Speaker 2: are your guesses for the finale?
Speaker 1: I think that we are going to get some version
Speaker 1: of Onslaught. I think that we're going to have this
Speaker 1: whole season has been kind of the heel turn of
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier. The death of the Dream. Oh, that's such
Speaker 1: a fradulity of the Dream, and I think we are
Speaker 1: going to a place where by the end the X
Speaker 1: Men will have largely lost their confidence in Charles, and
Speaker 1: I think Onslaught is a good way to do that.
Speaker 1: I think we get some version of Onslaught and maybe
Speaker 1: some legacy virus stuff, but I think that's where we're going.
Speaker 2: I love your idea that this is actually all of
Speaker 2: it's been Charles's heel turn, so Onslaught just makes sense.
Speaker 3: And I do think see we talked about Kroka for
Speaker 3: season two.
Speaker 2: This looking at where they're taking from the comics that
Speaker 2: there linen to, I do think we could be getng
Speaker 2: age of Apocalypse, which would be really exciting, and I
Speaker 2: think they'll make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm just so stoked for the finale. I mean,
Speaker 3: what a season.
Speaker 2: Who knew the best show, well, one of the best
Speaker 2: shows of the year was gonna be that X Men
Speaker 2: ninety seven.
Speaker 3: I didn't dare to dream, but here we are.
Speaker 1: One more question is do we get Wolverine on the
Speaker 1: sidelines for the rest of the series or do we
Speaker 1: see bone Claw Wolverine sometime this season.
Speaker 2: I think we will get bone Claw Wolverine because something
Speaker 2: that I think they did that was really clever here
Speaker 2: is Wolverine's kind of been a side character throughout all
Speaker 2: of this, which makes sense because in the nineties he
Speaker 2: was the biggest character ever. Famously, he was in you know,
Speaker 2: two hundred issues of Marveling in a year or something,
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh God, we got to get
Speaker 2: rid of this guy. So I think like sidelining him
Speaker 2: when people expected him to be the center is actually
Speaker 2: very smart, and then he got to have this huge
Speaker 2: moment that was directly taken from the comics in episode nine.
Speaker 2: So I think in the finale we will get bog
Speaker 2: Claus Wolverine.
Speaker 1: Okay, up next news, First up, James Gunn has shared
Speaker 1: the first look at David corn Sweat Mister corn Sweat
Speaker 1: as Superman, uh, and people had takes about it. I
Speaker 1: knew the memes were coming, folks, But your thoughts Rozy
Speaker 1: mister corn Sweat.
Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, I do think he looks like Superman.
Speaker 2: I am a fan of name this casting when they
Speaker 2: did it. I think it's good that his name is
Speaker 2: corn Sweat. I think that's a funny name for somebody
Speaker 2: playing Superman. I think the suit looks cool. I personally
Speaker 2: am a fan of a fabric suit. I don't think
Speaker 2: you need armor when you're Superman because your body is indestructible.
Speaker 2: But that's just me, so you know what, I know
Speaker 2: we're always gonna get a bit of an armory.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: I like it kind of looked like he just pulled
Speaker 2: it on. But I am off the mind along with
Speaker 2: the internet. Why does he take it so long? Why
Speaker 2: there's literally like a brainiac esque I out there. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's Solaris, maybe it's Lex Luthor, maybe it's a Green
Speaker 2: Lantern battle. But look, I feel like this guy can
Speaker 2: get across the world to pick up Lois Lane when
Speaker 2: she falls off a building in like minus two seconds,
Speaker 2: and he's just like taking his slow time with his boots.
Speaker 2: I understand that it's trying to tell us something about
Speaker 2: the character, but I don't necessarily I feel like the
Speaker 2: questions that it raises could have been seen by anyone
Speaker 2: who approved that photo.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's the point, But what were your thoughts?
Speaker 1: But my thoughts were so one to be fair to
Speaker 1: a Superman and mister Gunn, you know, Alvi's Superman moves
Speaker 1: faster than a speeding bullet. I guess there's if you
Speaker 1: want to get like meta about it, maybe the photo
Speaker 1: was taken at like one one huntry thousandth of a second,
Speaker 1: so he actually is going really fast, only the picture
Speaker 1: is it's a frozen image that we don't know. And
Speaker 1: then secondarily, I think this was a clear nod to
Speaker 1: the iconic image of Superman from All Star Superman, where
Speaker 1: he's you know, sitting kind of gazing with that optimistic,
Speaker 1: kind of a bright kind of look on his face.
Speaker 1: And I think that they were kind of going for that,
Speaker 1: like this is not the Superman that you've seen before.
Speaker 1: There's a different kind of guy. He puts on his
Speaker 1: boots one boot at a time. I love the idea
Speaker 1: of him being like, lois have you seen my other boot?
Speaker 1: Where is it at? But that' said I agree. I
Speaker 1: knew when I saw it that the memes were gonna happen.
Speaker 1: They were just gonna and they did meme.
Speaker 3: They memed fantastically the Internet.
Speaker 1: They fantastically meaned. Now, I guess you could also say, well,
Speaker 1: that's good, isn't it, Like, because I want this image
Speaker 1: disseminated far and wide in the community to play with it. Overall,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna not make any kind of rash
Speaker 1: decisions based off one image other than to say I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see more and I'm glad that, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that we got this.
Speaker 2: Look. I'm gonna say this, and to me, this is
Speaker 2: not derogatory, and I will be bringing up this network
Speaker 2: many times during this previously on, but like, it look very.
Speaker 3: Cub to me.
Speaker 2: Now that's not derogatory because I actually enjoy the cub
Speaker 2: but I can see how for some people that might
Speaker 2: be a negative to me. The bright colors, the kind
Speaker 2: of the in camera but with the with the kind
Speaker 2: of crazy background, that's all very cub. And I think
Speaker 2: there's actually a lot that James Gunn seems to be
Speaker 2: taking from there, which again I say, for me, is
Speaker 2: not bad, but I'm definitely in did to see more
Speaker 2: And kind of how they choose to introduce the other characters,
Speaker 2: will they also be in those slice of life type moments?
Speaker 2: Is that just something we'll see with Superman where we
Speaker 2: get a forecast that I'm interested to see.
Speaker 1: Next up, James Gunn announces that mister the eight, the
Speaker 1: Easeless Frank Green is the actually playing Rick Flagg Senior
Speaker 1: in the newest season of Peacemaker and also in animated
Speaker 1: form in Creature Commando's live action animation crossovers. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Very cool and once again I did one you but
Speaker 2: the cub you did do it first.
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan.
Speaker 2: Matt Ryan played Constantine and he also voiced constantin He
Speaker 2: did a great job in different animated and live action projects.
Speaker 3: But I think this is really cool. I think DC
Speaker 3: needs to be doing more of this. I'm interested.
Speaker 2: I loved the last Suicide Squad movie. I loved Joel
Speaker 2: Kinneman's performance as Rick Flagg. I thought it was so good,
Speaker 2: really moving performance, and I'm excited to see what Frank
Speaker 2: Grilla does with this. I also really want to see
Speaker 2: Creature Commandos so like, I love those animators. I hope
Speaker 2: you're all getting paid and having a good time and
Speaker 2: taking your time, but also hurry up because I want
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think this is cool. I think they
Speaker 3: should be doing more stuff.
Speaker 2: Like this, and I'm glad James Gunn doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: be afraid to blood those lines, and not just that
Speaker 2: he knows how to make it something that gets people talking.
Speaker 1: Frank Grilla is fifty eight.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He was fifty.
Speaker 2: Also, I was going to say, another fun person to
Speaker 2: add to our who's been in Marvel and DC. That's
Speaker 2: right list, which is always fun because obviously he's crossbones.
Speaker 3: In the MCU.
Speaker 1: New trailer news, we got a grip of new trailers,
Speaker 1: a new Joker file, a DO trailer. The Penguin Teesser,
Speaker 1: of course, is out there in a Justice League crisis
Speaker 1: on Infinite Earth's Part three trailer. Your thoughts on these.
Speaker 2: Out of all of them, most excited about the Penguin trailer,
Speaker 2: I think it looks really good. I think it looks
Speaker 2: very cool. I think Colin Farrell absolutely smashed it.
Speaker 3: In that role.
Speaker 2: I usually am wary of anything where it's like, well,
Speaker 2: even without Batman, it would still be a good story,
Speaker 2: because then I'm like, well, what's the point It's not
Speaker 2: a Batman story. But actually, I think in this case,
Speaker 2: they made such an interesting character with the Penguin and
Speaker 2: the Underworld life with like Carmi and Falcone and the
Speaker 2: cast is amazing and I want to see it, and
Speaker 2: I love the way that they had this kind of
Speaker 2: Sopranos esque monologue. Just generally great stuff. Justice League, Christ
Speaker 2: On inf and Earth's Part three. I love the DC
Speaker 2: animated movies. I do think this Moreovers has been a
Speaker 2: bit harder to get that cohesiveness that the DC au
Speaker 2: used to have that we were all such fans of
Speaker 2: in the zeros and kind of really to now. But
Speaker 2: I think this looks great. I love that they're bringing
Speaker 2: in all these different characters. One of my friends, Jules,
Speaker 2: who writes with me at DC dot Com, who is
Speaker 2: like the resident DC expert, he loves these movies. He
Speaker 2: thinks there must watch if you like Crisis. So yeah,
Speaker 2: this is very cool. There's three of these movies, so
Speaker 2: if you want to catch up with them kind of
Speaker 2: interact with a different way of enjoying Crisis on Infinite Earth.
Speaker 3: This is a good way to do it.
Speaker 2: It is quite a different story, so it's interesting to
Speaker 2: navigate that and kind of compare it to the comics.
Speaker 3: So I think that looks great. The animation looks beautiful.
Speaker 3: Joker folioda. Guess what. I didn't like it shocking everyone.
Speaker 3: It's not like I'm gonna stay positive.
Speaker 2: I'm very interested. I'm very interested. Like that it's a musical.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's a jukebox musical that feels like
Speaker 2: they're trolling me. I just I what are they may
Speaker 2: be singing? I too feel trolled. Like, yes, I love
Speaker 2: a big swing.
Speaker 1: I think we all love a big swing, especially in
Speaker 1: a in a space the IP space, comic space, where
Speaker 1: there's very few stories or types of stories that you
Speaker 1: haven't seen before. At the same time, I feel like they're, man,
Speaker 1: this could be so crazy, and maybe it's just me,
Speaker 1: Like I love a musical, but it just feels like
Speaker 1: a joker musical. I don't know, anime, I have no
Speaker 1: idea what to think of this.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen The Brave and the Bowl cartoon,
Speaker 2: which is so good, they actually have loads of weird
Speaker 2: wild swing episodes, including a music Meister episode where they
Speaker 2: where it's all musical right and it works so well
Speaker 2: and you can totally imagine a joker musical in that style.
Speaker 2: The things that really stood out to me in this
Speaker 2: right one old timey music, which I definitely saw coming
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 3: Like, don't rain on My parade.
Speaker 2: They're all singing like that, you know, they're putting on
Speaker 2: the rits all that kind of stuff. Fine, probably rather that,
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, but I do what are the odds.
Speaker 3: That Joker is going to sing creep at some point
Speaker 3: by Radiohead?
Speaker 2: I think it's high. I think that is like, very high.
Speaker 2: My biggest issue that I have with this trailer, aside
Speaker 2: from the fact that this is absolutely not made for me,
Speaker 2: is that it seems like they're just skipping out of
Speaker 2: the whole They're skipping the whole thing of like Harlequin
Speaker 2: being a PhD and now she's just in there, and
Speaker 2: I think that kind of stuff. It just I get
Speaker 2: that Arthur Fleck isn't really the Joker, so this is.
Speaker 3: A different world.
Speaker 2: But I'm also just like, that's a really interesting part
Speaker 2: of her personality, and I would probably rather see that
Speaker 2: than some kind of one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
Speaker 2: kind of knock off.
Speaker 3: But you know what, I'm going to keep my mind open.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping it's like a cat's level wackiness, because I
Speaker 2: love cats, Like I make.
Speaker 3: People watch cats all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm always introducing people to Cats the movie.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely deranged.
Speaker 2: So like they if they do that, if they go
Speaker 2: that weird, I'm into it. I honestly can't wait to
Speaker 2: see it, which I didn't think I would say about
Speaker 2: a Joker sequel.
Speaker 1: Fans of the Nintendo Switch rejoice. Nintendo finally admits that
Speaker 1: they are making the Switch, to which we always knew.
Speaker 3: We knew it, we knew it.
Speaker 1: But Nintendo's always kind of been moving. They move at
Speaker 1: their own pace. Let's just say. Nintendo president Shintara Frukawa
Speaker 1: officially acknowledged that the successor is coming and said, in
Speaker 1: part quote, we will make an announcement about the successor
Speaker 1: to Nintendo Switch within this fiscal year. Nintendo's fiscal year
Speaker 1: ends in March, so we're thinking March twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: end of their very exciting. I can't wait.
Speaker 3: I'm very excited. I also love that he dropped this
Speaker 3: news in a tweet.
Speaker 2: He was just like, he just posted a tweet in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night American time, and was just like,
Speaker 2: it's happening, guys, just like, shut up. I can't wait
Speaker 2: to see it. I love the Switch. I trust Nintendo
Speaker 2: for a long time. All the fans were like, when
Speaker 2: will you make Animal Crossing for the Switch? Oh, you're
Speaker 2: never gonna do it, Please make it, And then it
Speaker 2: became one of the biggest games of all time. So
Speaker 2: I trust them, let them take the time, and I
Speaker 2: cannot wait because my Switch is my favorite console.
Speaker 1: Next up in the movie news, Oh, Robert Bob Iger.
Speaker 3: Who we all know now Rubbie Bob both Robbie Bob Old.
Speaker 1: Robbie Bob is back at it again. Sam has said
Speaker 1: he said that Marvel released no more than three movies
Speaker 1: and two shows per year. This is at odds with
Speaker 1: Marvel's twenty twenty five calendar, where four films were slated
Speaker 1: for release Captain America, Bravety World, Thunderbolts, Fantastic four, and Blade.
Speaker 1: And of course this is in a reaction response to
Speaker 1: the fact that I think everybody acknowledges that Marvel kind
Speaker 1: of flooded the zone with too much content in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three and twenty twenty four, leading to the audience
Speaker 1: is essentially saying, with their dollars and with their reviews,
Speaker 1: were kind.
Speaker 3: Of tapped out right now, Yeah, I am very interested
Speaker 3: in this. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I actually think three movies and two shows per Yes,
Speaker 2: sounds like.
Speaker 1: A law, even if someone who has still sound like
Speaker 1: a lie.
Speaker 2: I enjoy this stuff like a lot, but that still
Speaker 2: to me sounds like maybe you're not drawing back as
Speaker 2: much as you should. But you know what, I got
Speaker 2: a refresh this year. We had Echo, which we loved.
Speaker 2: We have Deadpool, which is the only movie Wolverine Deadpool,
Speaker 2: and then if Agatha still comes out, the Wondervision spin
Speaker 2: off will have that. And we'll have the animated Spider
Speaker 2: Man show, which I know we were really excited about,
Speaker 2: which I believe used to be called Freshman Year, but
Speaker 2: now it's called Your Friendly Neighborhood spider Man. So it's
Speaker 2: gonna this is gonna be a good reset year. I'll
Speaker 2: be interested to appas next year. Obviously doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: Blade is coming out next year with all the production issues,
Speaker 2: though it is still slated for next year, so it'll
Speaker 2: be interesting to see.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean Bobby Rob brought you up to him.
Speaker 2: He says they're gonna be leaning more, leaning more on
Speaker 2: sequels rather than originals.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're learning the best lessons from that.
Speaker 2: Actually, but you know what, we'll give it a try,
Speaker 2: and we will be here obviously to report all the
Speaker 2: news and talk about all the movies and TV that
Speaker 2: don't make it to the screen.
Speaker 1: And then, finally, on a recent WB Discovery early call,
Speaker 1: WB Discovery CEO David Zaslav mentioned that the company's financials
Speaker 1: took a pretty big hit because of quote the disappointing
Speaker 1: release of Suicide Squad, the much ballyhooed Suicide Squad game
Speaker 1: from rock Steady Studios, which has lost reportedly in the
Speaker 1: realm of of two hundred million, a two hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars hit to the company. For various reasons, I think
Speaker 1: central among them is a problem that is pretty unique
Speaker 1: to the video game space, which is triple A releases
Speaker 1: of games that aren't finished. I think this game suffered
Speaker 1: from that. The disappointing, Yeah, the disappointing release of Suicide Squad.
Speaker 3: I think it's really disappointing.
Speaker 2: I think another big issue is these companies wanting to
Speaker 2: like the corporations, not that people may in the games,
Speaker 2: wanting to kind of jump onto trend of video games.
Speaker 2: So I know that when when the first trailer in
Speaker 2: gameplay release of this came out, people were just really
Speaker 2: pissed off because they thought it was gonna be a
Speaker 2: kind of Arkham esque puzzle game story game, you know,
Speaker 2: with first person shooter elements and stuff, but instead it
Speaker 2: was kind of this.
Speaker 3: Very heads up heavy shooter.
Speaker 2: But in the case of this game, especially as like
Speaker 2: a Triple A game, I think you're right not being finished,
Speaker 2: but also not trusting rock Steady to just do what
Speaker 2: they usually do, which is make really great, intricate, incredible
Speaker 2: games and not give them enough time. And I think
Speaker 2: Suicide Squad killed the Justice League that promises so much
Speaker 2: potential for one of those sprawling stories.
Speaker 3: I still play the Arkham games now.
Speaker 2: I mean we're always banging on about them, but I
Speaker 2: love those games so much, and I think this felt
Speaker 2: like it had that potential to be another one of
Speaker 2: those games you'd be playing ten years later, and I
Speaker 2: think the ultimate outcome was that it didn't hit that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there is a feeling in games
Speaker 1: when when you don't get a product as a gamer
Speaker 1: that feels finished in terms of story, in terms of narrative,
Speaker 1: not just like the mechanics and the gameplay and the
Speaker 1: way the game plays, you know, the game kind of
Speaker 1: went from a coherent story to this kind of like
Speaker 1: ongoing story chapter kind of thing where you you know,
Speaker 1: this live service angle where the story would unfold through DLC,
Speaker 1: through updates. It feels as if, as a gamer, what's
Speaker 1: happening is, well, they're just trying to extract money from me,
Speaker 1: like all the time, so I can't. I'm paying for
Speaker 1: this game and I don't even get something that's finished,
Speaker 1: and I think that's very disappointing. And it's not a
Speaker 1: problem that's unique to rock Steady or this project. It's
Speaker 1: not something that happens, you know, across the board, and
Speaker 1: that's it's disappointing, but coming up something that's not disappointing.
Speaker 1: Our conversation with Josie Campbell Day.
Speaker 2: Josie Campbell is a Los Angeles based television writer and producer,
Speaker 2: an alumni of Emerson College and the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater,
Speaker 2: which she will talk a little bit about more in
Speaker 2: our chat. Josie's ran some of our favorite shows, including
Speaker 2: camp Cretaceous, She ra Princess of Power, and most recently,
Speaker 2: she was the head writer and co producer for the
Speaker 2: animated series My Adventures With Superman, and she's also written
Speaker 2: a smagus board of DC movies and TV, and she's
Speaker 2: here today to talk about her amazing career and the
Speaker 2: upcoming My Adventures with Superman comic book series.
Speaker 3: Start with hot, Start with hot with glass?
Speaker 1: Why Why is your Clark slash Superman actually hotter with glasses?
Speaker 4: You know, Clark Kent has always been hot, That's what
Speaker 4: I say. Uh, I like glasses. Uh, I mean, uh,
Speaker 4: it sounds funny, but we did have a rule on
Speaker 4: the show, and like the artists would laugh and we're like, no,
Speaker 4: we're dead serious. Like everybody is cute and hot. Every
Speaker 4: single character who shows up, Ma, She's cute and hot. Clark,
Speaker 4: He's cute and hot. Like, uh, Jimmy cute and hot.
Speaker 4: Just everybody is just the cutest, cutiest little petuity on
Speaker 4: the show, and we need to draw them that way. Uh.
Speaker 2: And absolutely, and it delivered, you guys, delivered on the
Speaker 2: cute petuti.
Speaker 4: Ruleing my office is right next to Jake Wyatt, who's
Speaker 4: a kosherrunner and Koe p and uh. We would just
Speaker 4: every now and then I'd hear through the wall, no hotter, Yeah, yea.
Speaker 4: I looked at like as he's like giving wrong over
Speaker 4: instructions of people. They were like, yeah, that's that's right,
Speaker 4: that's right, Clark Kent Superman He's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love guy. I love the idea that off camera,
Speaker 1: like not in a scene. Off camera. Lois and Jimmy
Speaker 1: were like, you know, gosh, I think Superman kind of
Speaker 1: looks like Clark, but like a less handsome version.
Speaker 3: So we're going back now.
Speaker 2: Something we always ask people here is like, what's your
Speaker 2: comic book origin story? Like, what's the comic book or
Speaker 2: the character that made you fall in love with comics.
Speaker 4: So my comic book Orgiester. I'm old enough that I
Speaker 4: remember when comics were still being sold in CBS's so
Speaker 4: like pharmacies. So yeah, so as a kid, we would
Speaker 4: go to the local pharmacy.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I was a kid of the nineties, and my
Speaker 4: first comics were like a Wonder Woman comic and the
Speaker 4: Death of Superman are and those were the things that
Speaker 4: made me fall in love with comics because I was
Speaker 4: just so like, I was just kind of I didn't
Speaker 4: know what was going going on. I was just picking
Speaker 4: up a comic and coming in right in the middle
Speaker 4: of this. I'm like, what is happening, and I was
Speaker 4: so intrigued. And then you know, on TV, I was
Speaker 4: watching anime like Sailor Moon had just come over to America.
Speaker 4: Drugon ball Z had just come over to America. I
Speaker 4: found out those were comics too, So basically, like DC
Speaker 4: Comics was my introduction slash Gateway Drug into comic books,
Speaker 4: and I was just enthralled. I love superhero comics, I
Speaker 4: love fight scenes, I love big emotions like I love
Speaker 4: the soap opera nature of comics, like just all of
Speaker 4: that from like age like seven onwards.
Speaker 3: I was hooked.
Speaker 1: So we kind of touched on it. But tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the iteration process for the
Speaker 1: character designs. They are so winning, so charming. You've got
Speaker 1: Lois with the short hair, super hot Clark, super hot everybody,
Speaker 1: and I personally love the way that the animation style
Speaker 1: elevated the core characteristics of all these characters. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so like, so much credit goes to
Speaker 4: our design team, so much goes to the artists working
Speaker 4: on the show. But then also you know to co
Speaker 4: showrunners and coep's Jake Wyatt and Brendan klawher like I was.
Speaker 4: I was actually when they first started developing the show,
Speaker 4: I was working on DreamWorks. I was the head writer
Speaker 4: for Jurassic World, Camp Catacious, and I had known Great
Speaker 4: Thank You, and I had known Brendan from Shira and
Speaker 4: we were pals. And so he and Jake like took
Speaker 4: me out to like lunch, and we're like, we want
Speaker 4: you to come work on the show with us, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know. And then they're like,
Speaker 4: here's Jake and brendan' shrawing some Clark Lowis and Jimmy
Speaker 4: and I was like, Okay, yeah, never mind, I'm in.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but like the very idea of our show
Speaker 4: was let's do something that both feels original. It feels
Speaker 4: very much like this is the core of this character,
Speaker 4: this is who Superman and Clark Kent is, but at
Speaker 4: the same time, do it in a way that people
Speaker 4: haven't seen before. And that was really the mandate all
Speaker 4: throughout every part of it, like writing the show, designing
Speaker 4: the show is Okay, what if we take this character
Speaker 4: that people know and make a slightly new version of them,
Speaker 4: It's still the same core person. You know, Jimmy is
Speaker 4: still getting kidnapped by gorillas and obsessed with like silver
Speaker 4: age stuff. Lois is still jumping into danger and getting
Speaker 4: herself kidnapped on purpose. But here's sort of the version
Speaker 4: of them we've never seen before. Here's the version of
Speaker 4: Lois who like, you know, for our modern audience, here's
Speaker 4: her gumption, here's what she looks like. And then once
Speaker 4: we started the show, we had such a strong design team,
Speaker 4: like Jane Bach was our art director, Dohanng was our
Speaker 4: like one of her character leads, and just every time
Speaker 4: we would write in the script, are like, okay, like
Speaker 4: here is Slade Wilson, here's like comics with his appearance.
Speaker 4: And then they'd be like, what if he's a bashonan
Speaker 4: pretty boy and he's just running around And we're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what, I have never seen that before. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, the same thing of a lot of care
Speaker 4: like heat Wave, Live Wire. They're like, okay, what if
Speaker 4: they look like this now though, and we're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we've never seen that version of them before. So you know,
Speaker 4: Brendan and Jake set the set the bar high, and
Speaker 4: then our incredible design team would just go go ham
Speaker 4: They just go off and they'd come back and they're like,
Speaker 4: here's seven designs for heat Wave, and each one she's
Speaker 4: like bigger and musclier than the last. Which one do
Speaker 4: you want? We know which one we want.
Speaker 3: You're like, the bigger, the bath, bigger, the better. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So what was your journey to getting into animation, because
Speaker 2: this isn't your first foray into d C. You've also done.
Speaker 2: You wrote Legion of Superheroes. I think we chatted about
Speaker 2: that for DC dot Calm. You work on some other
Speaker 2: DC animations. So what was your journey of getting into animation,
Speaker 2: Getting to kind of herald these incredible characters from Jurassic World.
Speaker 2: You know, I love that show so much with my
Speaker 2: children that I would die for to, you know, getting
Speaker 2: to do my adventures with Superman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so, I you know, I went to
Speaker 4: school for theater. Actually, originally I thought I wanted to
Speaker 4: be the next David Mammott, and I was like, gonna
Speaker 4: write serious plays, and then like my first semester, I
Speaker 4: got into like a TV writing a class and a
Speaker 4: a comedy troupe, and I was like, never mind, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do like comedy and TV. And then you know,
Speaker 4: the entire time, like I've loved animation since I was
Speaker 4: a kid, Like I was like the teenager who'd come
Speaker 4: home because I had to watch Justice League Unlimited, like
Speaker 4: I needed to hit Tunami, like I needed to like
Speaker 4: watch all of that stuff. And you know, when I
Speaker 4: went to college, I met a bunch of friends who
Speaker 4: were also into animation. Like some of our sketches we
Speaker 4: would do for a comedy troup would be like limited
Speaker 4: animation we did ourselves, or claymation. And then when I
Speaker 4: moved out to Los Angeles, one of those friends got
Speaker 4: a job working for Alan, who is the producer famous
Speaker 4: producer of Batman and the animated series, and put us
Speaker 4: one of my scripts in front of him, and Alan
Speaker 4: called me and it was like, I really like your work,
Speaker 4: like pitch me things, and so Alan gave me my
Speaker 4: first job. It was like pitching Scooby Doo and then
Speaker 4: Justice League, Action stuff, Pinicula just sort of like everything.
Speaker 4: And then from there I just kept going. You know,
Speaker 4: I became the head writer of She Run the Princess
Speaker 4: of Power over at DreamWorks, head writer of Jurassic World
Speaker 4: Camp Cretaceous, and then yeah, basically Brendan and Jake were like, no,
Speaker 4: you want to come and work on Superman. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you're absolutely right, I want to do that, And I
Speaker 4: came over and the three of us, you know, Della
Speaker 4: the show a little bit more and wrote the pilot
Speaker 4: and got the green light and it's been a it's
Speaker 4: been Metropolis ever since.
Speaker 2: What is it like for you to have that journey
Speaker 2: from being a fan from your first comics being you know,
Speaker 2: Death of Superman to now getting to reshape this character
Speaker 2: for a kind of new generation.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's it's huge. It's like both really lovely. It's
Speaker 4: it's extremely excited and also occasionally daunting because.
Speaker 3: You know, I love this kid.
Speaker 4: You know, I love this character so much. But when
Speaker 4: you're you know, in the creative process, what you do
Speaker 4: is what you feel is right. Like it's you know,
Speaker 4: when you're being creative, you're like, Okay, what would I
Speaker 4: like to see or what I what do I think
Speaker 4: would be like engaging or what's most satisfying to me?
Speaker 4: And it's it's hard because you don't know if that
Speaker 4: necessarily will resonate with other people. You just know it
Speaker 4: resonates with you. So to have our Superman get out
Speaker 4: there and to see it resonate with so many people
Speaker 4: and have so many people you know, come up to
Speaker 4: me and say, like, you know, this is the Superman,
Speaker 4: Like I've been dying to see for like a decade,
Speaker 4: Like I missed the Superman has been really really rewarding
Speaker 4: and then daunting again because I'm like, oh God, I
Speaker 4: hope you like season two. I hope we can keep
Speaker 4: that feeling going.
Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite things about your show
Speaker 1: is that Superman is Clark. That relationship is you know,
Speaker 1: different every time you see Superman with different creative teams.
Speaker 1: Sometimes Clark is just like a preceding chapter and the
Speaker 1: entire stories really about Superman. But this Superman is Clark.
Speaker 1: Tell us about creating that tone and that vibe of
Speaker 1: really unifying Superman and Clark.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean again, it was. It was both something
Speaker 4: that we hadn't seen in a while and something that
Speaker 4: felt core to the character that you know, there's always,
Speaker 4: you know, in those Geekee debates, there's always like who
Speaker 4: is he? Is he Superman and Clark Kent is the
Speaker 4: masker is Hee Clark and Superman's the mask And you know,
Speaker 4: for I think a long time, we've seen Superman is
Speaker 4: the real one and Clark is like the put On persona.
Speaker 4: You know, I love the Donner movie, but you've got that,
Speaker 4: you know, the most recent Snyder movies are definitely that.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm excited to see what James Gunn has
Speaker 4: to offer. But for us, you know, Clark is the
Speaker 4: interesting one because he's the human one, Like he is
Speaker 4: a kid who like he showed up on Earth as
Speaker 4: a baby and was raised in the Midwest like my mom,
Speaker 4: like he you know, to us, the most interesting version
Speaker 4: of this character is what he is is most human
Speaker 4: and he's trying to fit in and he's scared that
Speaker 4: he might superpower break something, and he's holding himself back
Speaker 4: and then like learning to embrace who he is. And
Speaker 4: a big part of that came out of what we
Speaker 4: started with in the pilot in the first two episodes,
Speaker 4: which is one of the biggest chances you want to do,
Speaker 4: is we didn't want him to get that like Crystal
Speaker 4: that tells him everything about his origin.
Speaker 3: Like you said that in a lot.
Speaker 4: Of movies and a lot of media where they're like, Clark,
Speaker 4: you are my son, and you are Superman and this
Speaker 4: is S stands for hope, and here is your powers,
Speaker 4: and we wanted our clerk to not know any of
Speaker 4: that he is discovering who he is and what he
Speaker 4: can do along with the audience. And that also feels
Speaker 4: very relatable to us and also very modern to us,
Speaker 4: that here's this person who hasn't quite figured out who
Speaker 4: he is, but he's slowly getting there. And it's just
Speaker 4: it gives us the potential for so much story where
Speaker 4: you know, theoretically you've seen this character before, you've seen
Speaker 4: a million iterations of him, but you don't know where
Speaker 4: this story is going because you don't know what Clark's
Speaker 4: about to discover about himself next, or discover about the
Speaker 4: world next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're not not only do we have season
Speaker 2: two coming up, which we will talk about in a minute,
Speaker 2: but you're writing My Adventures with Superman the comic. So
Speaker 2: what was it like to get to you know, not
Speaker 2: you mentioned you had this success, People come up to you,
Speaker 2: they tell you've been waiting for it. What was it
Speaker 2: like for DC to then come up to you and say, well,
Speaker 2: do you want to make it a comic?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Do you want to translate this back into the format
Speaker 2: that it began with?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was really it was really great and Aws so
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, I get to write a Superman comic. Like,
Speaker 4: that's not something I thought i'd ever scratch off my
Speaker 4: like Bingo card. So no, it was really exciting because
Speaker 4: you know, I love the show. I love working on it.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad people like it. And then yeah, when
Speaker 4: DC approached us, approached us and approached me, they're like, hey, like,
Speaker 4: do you have like you know, we'd love to do
Speaker 4: something like or like a spin off or something like that.
Speaker 4: Do you have any ideas? And the is actually sort
Speaker 4: of based on this idea we kind of had in
Speaker 4: the writer's room, but just there was never a place
Speaker 4: for it in season one. So the comic. The comic
Speaker 4: takes place in between season one and season two. It's
Speaker 4: not gonna spoil anything for season two, but like some
Speaker 4: things will like it'll like connect a little bit better
Speaker 4: tea up. But yeah, it's kind of an original story
Speaker 4: that we came up with based off of the Amazo
Speaker 4: Tech robot that's in suits that Doctor Ivo was making
Speaker 4: and takes place during Christmas, So it's also our basically
Speaker 4: fake Christmas episode and I think it's it's gonna be
Speaker 4: a lot of fun, like very additive, like you can
Speaker 4: watch season two without it, but if you watch season
Speaker 4: two and read the comic, I think you're gonna get
Speaker 4: a lot more out of like especially like Clark's like
Speaker 4: relation to like Krypton and his powers and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and visually it looks so much like the show.
Speaker 2: Like the artist, it's such a brilliant job bringing the
Speaker 2: tone to life.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, No, Pablo is the uh is the artist,
Speaker 4: is the line artist, and he's just incredible. And you know,
Speaker 4: we talked Andrew is my editor over at DC, and
Speaker 4: we talked about, like, you know, well, how do we
Speaker 4: like approximate like the look, and like one of the
Speaker 4: big things is, you know, we're all, you know, everybody
Speaker 4: working on the show is a kid of the nineties,
Speaker 4: two thousands. We're all very influenced by anime. Like, so
Speaker 4: we're like, okay, for the comic, let's have somebody who's
Speaker 4: very influenced by manga. So, you know, Pablo comes in
Speaker 4: and he's doing an amazing job. We got him like
Speaker 4: a bunch of backgrounds and a bunch of like of
Speaker 4: the design work in art so he could like look
Speaker 4: at it and like approximate it in his style. But
Speaker 4: then he goes above and beyond kids. He's like literally
Speaker 4: applying screen tone, like like handling everything like you would
Speaker 4: in a manga. So I think it's just like a
Speaker 4: project that everybody who touches it gets excited to dive
Speaker 4: into it. So I think, yeah, me and Pablo are
Speaker 4: thrilled to have people read the comic.
Speaker 1: Season two of My Adventures with Superman debuts me twenty
Speaker 1: fifth on Adult Swim. What can you tell us about
Speaker 1: season two?
Speaker 4: Oh, I know, I'm trying to think of like what
Speaker 4: doesn't give spoilers. So season two, you know, you think
Speaker 4: people can see from the trailer there's gonna be a
Speaker 4: lot more villains, there's gonna be some new characters showing up,
Speaker 4: including perhaps a specific female character. But like, I think
Speaker 4: the biggest thing, you know, the season two sort of
Speaker 4: picks up like basically that very next year, their first
Speaker 4: year reporters. They're no longer interns. They're starting to make
Speaker 4: their mark in the city, and I think a lot
Speaker 4: of what we're going to be doing in the season
Speaker 4: is sort of testing those bonds, Like you know, they
Speaker 4: were so bonded to Jimmy, Lewis and Clark were such
Speaker 4: a team in season one and now their dreams are
Speaker 4: coming true. But that's a little bit more pressure. There's
Speaker 4: a little bit more question of like what their future
Speaker 4: is going to be. So I think you're gonna see
Speaker 4: those relationships tested a little bit. And then yeah, and
Speaker 4: then like I think we're going beyond just Metropolis. There's
Speaker 4: gonna be some characters people are gonna see showing up.
Speaker 4: I think again, it's it's of the core of them
Speaker 4: is the same, but the way they look is going
Speaker 4: to be very different, and some of the ways they
Speaker 4: act is gonna be very different. So and we have
Speaker 4: Michael Emerson this season, so I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that must be one of the most
Speaker 2: exciting things is getting to expand this. So I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, just before we go, what what's the kind
Speaker 2: of hero or villain that you'd like to write most
Speaker 2: next Not necessarily in the show.
Speaker 3: It can be in a movie and in one of
Speaker 3: the comics.
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's hard. I mean Superman has been like
Speaker 4: my top tier for like years, Like, I absolutely love Superman,
Speaker 4: I love his villains. Man, that's a really hard question.
Speaker 4: Like I think I'd love to like do something completely
Speaker 4: different and like write something in like the Batman universe,
Speaker 4: like like a Catwoman like Mini or something like that
Speaker 4: would be fun. But like it's it's hard when you've
Speaker 4: hit Superman. It's hits hard Superman. Yeah, brain like lex Luthor,
Speaker 4: like all of that is hard to top.
Speaker 1: Well, Josie, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, guys, thank you. In today's back Matter,
Speaker 2: where we dive a little bit deeper into a ongoing
Speaker 2: topic or conversation or something that we think you might
Speaker 2: like to know a bit more about, we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about animated movies for superhero comic book adaptations versus.
Speaker 3: Live action movies, and specifically in.
Speaker 2: The DC realm, because yeah, the reality is that for
Speaker 2: a long time, DC animated movies were seen as the
Speaker 2: gold standard for any superhero movie, like in the nineties
Speaker 2: and the Zero's pre.
Speaker 3: MCU, even after the X Men and Spider Man.
Speaker 2: I will say, a lot of people would say, nah,
Speaker 2: Crisis on Earth too, that's the one, Like these are
Speaker 2: my movie, like the Mask of the Phantasm.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So DC has always had an incredibly strong economy of
Speaker 2: animated subero movies, which is kind of why it's funny
Speaker 2: that for a lot of people they felt like their
Speaker 2: live action movies didn't live up.
Speaker 3: Now, I personally will say I do.
Speaker 2: Think that the live action movies that DC has put out,
Speaker 2: I think there's a really interesting variety to them, but
Speaker 2: they've definitely never had that consistency of those those DC
Speaker 2: animated movies. Do you remember the first time you kind
Speaker 2: of discovered that that treasure trove of those films?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it would have been after you know, the
Speaker 1: classic Batman the animated series and then going into them.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, there was a period of time,
Speaker 1: I would say ten to twelve years ago, as the
Speaker 1: MCU was spinning up and was beginning to take over
Speaker 1: the world in DC outside of the Nolan Batman movies,
Speaker 1: was kind of like, what are we doing? Where all
Speaker 1: my DC friends and they're completely correct about this. We're like, well,
Speaker 1: why don't they just take the creative teams behind the
Speaker 1: enemies right and give them the keys to start producing
Speaker 1: these movies? And they're absolutely correct. I think you're right,
Speaker 1: Like that has been the gold standard for a while.
Speaker 1: The adaptations are wonderful, and there's something else too, like
Speaker 1: I almost feel like, I don't know, having seen the
Speaker 1: perfectly good Blue Beetle, the most recent Aquaman movie. I
Speaker 1: almost feel as if there's like a cyclical thing happening
Speaker 1: where DC movies chase the marvel tone of this kind
Speaker 1: of laughy stuff. Right now, it almost feels like, yes,
Speaker 1: the audiences are wanting the previous DC live action tone,
Speaker 1: which is the grittier tone. So I'll be interested to
Speaker 1: see how that changes DC's approach. But I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you think, what are if you were going to
Speaker 1: recommend some of the best DCAU stuff, what would you say?
Speaker 2: I would obviously I would definitely say start with you know,
Speaker 2: Mask of the Phantasm, which actually technically isn't under that
Speaker 2: DC Universe Animated Original Movie banner, but it is like
Speaker 2: one of the best movies that DC's ever made, and
Speaker 2: it regularly still plays in the cinema as well, like
Speaker 2: at least once the year they'll kind of re release it.
Speaker 2: But if you're looking at like the kind of actual
Speaker 2: ac DCAU as they called it, Superman Doomsday, it's really good.
Speaker 3: I own it on DVD. That's a great one.
Speaker 2: Justice League the New Frontier, which was absolutely fantastic. They
Speaker 2: did All Star Superman, which I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people loved. Justice League Doom is another really good one.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting because they basically adapted like many, many,
Speaker 2: many of the most famous DC comics. So if you
Speaker 2: love like the Killing Joke, there is an adaptation of
Speaker 2: it that one wasn't necessarily for me. Batman Gotham by Gaslight,
Speaker 2: I love that one. That was one of the later ones.
Speaker 2: And Batman under the Red Hood is another really good one.
Speaker 2: My nephew's really into Jason Todd right now, so that's
Speaker 2: like a big thing.
Speaker 3: I mean. The good thing is there's basically all kinds
Speaker 3: of great.
Speaker 2: Movies that they've managed to bring their own tone. They
Speaker 2: don't often ape the art style, which I do think
Speaker 2: is interesting. I found that really interesting watching The Dark
Speaker 2: Knight Returns one. It doesn't have that Frank Miller Lim
Speaker 2: Varley art style. But the cool thing is you can
Speaker 2: literally just google DC Animated original movie and it will
Speaker 2: come up and there's like thirty or forty movies.
Speaker 3: And I think one of.
Speaker 2: The things, and this is another thing I wanted to
Speaker 2: ask you about. One of the things I think is
Speaker 2: most interesting about this is like it's that question of
Speaker 2: why does live action sometimes struggle where animation doesn't. And
Speaker 2: I think it's because they can do more in animation
Speaker 2: that would cost so much more money to do in
Speaker 2: live action.
Speaker 3: Like think about so recently.
Speaker 2: We had Spider Man Across the Spider Verse, and we
Speaker 2: had Teenage Mutant it was new and Mayhem. Both of
Speaker 2: those were huge smashes in a time when people were like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: there's comic book fatigue.
Speaker 3: You know, there's comica move tigue. Both of them are
Speaker 3: comic book movies.
Speaker 2: But there's something there where they can bring a style
Speaker 2: and a tone and a vibe and ambition that I
Speaker 2: think you can't always get in live action. And I
Speaker 2: do think that's like one of the pros of keeping
Speaker 2: the animated comic book movies going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there is, you know, an authenticity
Speaker 1: to the kind of action that you imagine. You know,
Speaker 1: when I when I read comics every sin sorry as
Speaker 1: a kid, You're seeing what's on the panel, but I'm
Speaker 1: imagining the action as it takes place as well. And
Speaker 1: you know that the Batman and animated series was so
Speaker 1: good at translating that into the thing that you and
Speaker 1: the X Men animated series was so good at translating
Speaker 1: the action that I'm imagining into something that I'm actually
Speaker 1: seeing to your point. I think it's just easier. It's
Speaker 1: easier to nail the tone. There's something about animation that
Speaker 1: says that that speaks to the way you interpret the
Speaker 1: form when you first pick it up. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not adult, Uh, it's not. It frames the story, no
Speaker 1: matter the kind of emotional or plot context, in something
Speaker 1: that feels natural to comics. So you can get as serious,
Speaker 1: as gritty and as violent as is necessary, but it
Speaker 1: always feels tonally correct. And when you take that and
Speaker 1: you put the kind of violence that you see in
Speaker 1: animation into live action, what you have often is like harsh,
Speaker 1: Like it's just it can be horrific.
Speaker 2: Think about Invincible, you know, yeah, how there's so much
Speaker 2: but even that moment, I'm so glad you brought up
Speaker 2: X Men ninety seven actually because obviously we're living in
Speaker 2: a renaissance of Marvel animation right now with that show.
Speaker 3: But like, think about the ending.
Speaker 2: Of the last episode spoiler alert, put your ear muffs on.
Speaker 2: You know, Wolverine having the Adamantium torn off his bones.
Speaker 3: They managed to.
Speaker 2: Do so much blood, so much fear in his eyes,
Speaker 2: But that would have been an R rated movie if
Speaker 2: you put that.
Speaker 1: In a movie, it'd be horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think you make a great point.
Speaker 2: That's another thing is you can translate some of the
Speaker 2: darker stuff in a way that's more accessible and kind
Speaker 2: of like easy for people to swallow than if it
Speaker 2: was in you know, a scary R rated movie, which
Speaker 2: obviously we don't get a lot of those when it
Speaker 2: comes to superheroes.
Speaker 3: It's just not something we get.
Speaker 1: We always like to end the show with fast paced
Speaker 1: segment and this time we're doing Who's Who, in which
Speaker 1: we are gonna select our favorite deep cut DC weirdo
Speaker 1: Rosie who you got?
Speaker 3: Okay? Detective Chimp? Is he that deep cut anymore? I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like people maybe know him, but he's a chimp,
Speaker 2: he's a detective.
Speaker 3: I love him. He's an old school character.
Speaker 2: Another one of my favorite characters, this is very in
Speaker 2: the Doom Patrol Realm. I love flex mentalo O, created
Speaker 2: by Grant Morrison and Richard Case. If you've ever read
Speaker 2: an old superhero comic and you've seen in the back
Speaker 2: a Charles Atlas ad and it's like you can become
Speaker 2: strong just like send us, you know, five dollars and
Speaker 2: we'll teach out to become strong.
Speaker 3: Flex Mentalo is.
Speaker 2: Essentially a guy from one of those adverts that comes
Speaker 2: to life and and is this incredible meta take on superheroes.
Speaker 2: And Frank Quietly and Grant Marrison did a great flex
Speaker 2: Mentalo mini series that you can read and it's yeah,
Speaker 2: those are those are two of my all time faves.
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 1: I want to stress that favorite is not what I'm
Speaker 1: going for here. It's me. You're going for weird about
Speaker 1: this weird? I'm going for weird, truly weird. Josie was
Speaker 1: talking about nineties comics and there was no weirder period
Speaker 1: maybe in the history of comics. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: pick a true product of the nineties, cod piece who
Speaker 1: appeared to control in the nineties. It is a villain,
Speaker 1: clearly a villain who was created in order to mock
Speaker 1: some of the trends that were popular at the time,
Speaker 1: the over use of armor and huge pockets and knee
Speaker 1: pads and all these different kind of like military esque
Speaker 1: accouterments on characters, costumes, codpieces, a villain who is It's
Speaker 1: exactly what you think, folks, It's exactly the the the
Speaker 1: piece of this character's costume that is overemphasized is the
Speaker 1: one that he is named after. Yes.
Speaker 3: Extreme in every way.
Speaker 1: Yes, and one of the weirdest things that's ever happened in.
Speaker 2: Its nineties comics Baby, That's an episode we have to
Speaker 2: do one day, the Extreme era.
Speaker 3: What a time.
Speaker 1: On Thursday's episode of x ra Vision, we're diving into
Speaker 1: X Men ninety seven after the season wraps, and we'll
Speaker 1: be joined by the incredible Me and Queen and X
Speaker 1: Men Superman Stephanie Williams. And then on Friday, we're dropping
Speaker 1: a mini surprise episode for you webheads out there. Until then,
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening by x ray Vision is hosted by
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