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Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Jesu Gitzempsiode and I'm wensday Night,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to x ray Vision of the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Coming to you from my Heart podcast where we're bringing

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Speaker 1: you two episodes a week, every Tuesday and every Thursday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, in the previously on we're talking everything DC.

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Speaker 2: What about that Superman taking a long time to put

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Speaker 2: on his boots? What do we think about it? You're

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Speaker 2: gonna find out in the very cool airlock interview. Today

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Speaker 2: we have Josie Campbell, who is the showrunner of My

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Speaker 2: Adventures with Superman and also the writer of anew My

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Speaker 2: Adventures with Superman comic for a lovely chat. And in

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Speaker 2: the back man, we're gonna chop it up a little

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Speaker 2: bit about DC Live Action versus DC Animation and kind

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Speaker 2: of superhero movies and their trajectory right now.

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Speaker 3: But first, previously on.

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Speaker 1: X Men ninety seven, Tolerance is Extinction Part two drop

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Speaker 1: last week, and we simply must talk about this, Rosie Jason,

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Speaker 1: because you know, my friend Aaron Edwards posted on the

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Speaker 1: social media platform known as x that before Magneto finished

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Speaker 1: his speech he would have been standing next to him

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Speaker 1: when you know he basically said, Okay, which side you

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Speaker 1: want Charles or you want me? I have to agree.

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Speaker 1: And I also have to applaud X Men ninety seven

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Speaker 1: for not pulling any punches in showing just how naive

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Speaker 1: Charles is has been is in the comics and continues

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Speaker 1: to be amazing episode.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean it blew my mind because one,

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Speaker 2: they have a che so much in this season. Now

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie I have I will put one

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Speaker 2: caveat in. I think they did such a good job

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Speaker 2: in the previous eight episodes that Magneto's turn hare felt

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Speaker 2: a little speedy to me. I felt like Magneto had

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Speaker 2: been such an invested, interesting, incredible, empathetic character that has

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Speaker 2: kind of turned to the bad side here. Took me

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Speaker 2: a little bit by surprise, even though I knew the comics.

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Speaker 2: But I love I love Asteroid m I love all

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Speaker 2: these outrageous kind of moments we get some direct from

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Speaker 2: the comic book moments here. There's also a very interesting

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Speaker 2: thing that I noticed that Rogue is kind of a stand.

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Speaker 3: In for Colossus here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Colossus was really a big part of this storyline,

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Speaker 2: and we even get this moment where she's attacking them

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Speaker 2: with this kind of column, and that's directly from you know,

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Speaker 3: Also, obviously, it ends.

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Speaker 2: With that shocking moment that in our discord we had

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Speaker 2: a lot of people saying like this isn't for kids,

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Speaker 2: Like this is such a scary, horrifying moment.

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Speaker 1: They did it with the with the I've been stabbed

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Speaker 1: in anime effect too, Yes, big.

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Speaker 3: It was very invincible.

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Speaker 2: So so the episode ends with another one of classic

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Speaker 2: Charles worst plans.

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Speaker 3: I have to say, this is a problem throughout comics.

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Speaker 2: This is a problem in this this is a problem

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Speaker 2: in the Blooming X Men movies from Fox. Charles, why

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Speaker 2: do you send a man with metal bones to fight Magneto?

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Speaker 2: Put him on the other team. And the cool thing

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Speaker 2: Charles should have put Wolverine on the other team, not

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's terrifying.

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Speaker 1: I have this to say about Magneto's turn to the

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Speaker 1: quote unquote the bad side and Charles's speech in general.

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Speaker 1: I would push back on Magneto turning to the bedside.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this Charles, as Charles sees himself as a

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a very commendable thing to do,

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Speaker 1: I think the issue is that a state of open

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna do about the Sentinels? What are

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Speaker 1: because what Charles miss is is he's no longer a centrist.

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Speaker 1: He's on the far far, far left. And Magneto, to

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Speaker 3: With your girlfriends exactly.

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Speaker 1: You need to wake up and smell the coffie about

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Speaker 1: the chessboard as it currently exists. Magneto, sadly is right,

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Speaker 4: I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the ultimate Magneto's Right show. I

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Speaker 3: But Storm doesn't know about Madeline Pryor, so.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't know that like the person she actually like,

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Speaker 1: So like, let's get it.

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Speaker 3: If you leave the X Mansion for like a week,

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Speaker 3: you are losing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So before we finish talking about this, we have

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Speaker 3: So it's giving.

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Speaker 2: I will say it's giving Age of Apocalypse. I do

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Speaker 2: think that could be season two instead of Cricola. But finale, let's.

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Speaker 3: Talk about the likelihood of onslaught.

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Speaker 2: Because Charles took over Magneto's mind, Scott randomly kind of

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Speaker 3: It seemed like that wouldn't. That ended up leading to.

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Speaker 2: So are we gonna get an onslaught in this final episode?

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Speaker 3: I believe? So do you want should I explain quickly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I think you're right explain it.

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Speaker 2: So in comics, there was a very unpopular nineties series

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Speaker 2: the Image comics guys. And basically what happened was Magneto

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Speaker 2: side of Magneto. He transforms into this monster called Onslaught,

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Speaker 2: and then he kills the X Men. He kills I

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Speaker 2: He's just killing everybody and it's basically Xavier turning into

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Speaker 1: I think that we are going to get some version

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Speaker 1: I think Onslaught is a good way to do that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm just so stoked for the finale. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I didn't dare to dream, but here we are.

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Speaker 1: One more question is do we get Wolverine on the

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Speaker 2: So I think in the finale we will get bog

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Speaker 1: Okay, up next news, First up, James Gunn has shared

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Speaker 1: the first look at David corn Sweat Mister corn Sweat

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Speaker 1: as Superman, uh, and people had takes about it. I

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Speaker 1: mister corn Sweat.

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Speaker 1: Fans of the Nintendo Switch rejoice. Nintendo finally admits that

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Speaker 1: Next up in the movie news, Oh, Robert Bob Iger.

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Speaker 1: were kind.

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Speaker 3: Of tapped out right now, Yeah, I am very interested

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Speaker 3: in this. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: I actually think three movies and two shows per Yes,

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Speaker 2: sounds like.

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Speaker 1: A law, even if someone who has still sound like

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Speaker 1: a lie.

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Speaker 2: I enjoy this stuff like a lot, but that still

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Speaker 2: to me sounds like maybe you're not drawing back as

446
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Speaker 2: much as you should. But you know what, I got

447
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Speaker 2: a refresh this year. We had Echo, which we loved.

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Speaker 2: We have Deadpool, which is the only movie Wolverine Deadpool,

449
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Speaker 2: and then if Agatha still comes out, the Wondervision spin

450
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Speaker 2: off will have that. And we'll have the animated Spider

451
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Speaker 2: Man show, which I know we were really excited about,

452
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Speaker 2: which I believe used to be called Freshman Year, but

453
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Speaker 2: now it's called Your Friendly Neighborhood spider Man. So it's

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Speaker 2: gonna this is gonna be a good reset year. I'll

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Speaker 2: be interested to appas next year. Obviously doesn't feel like

456
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Speaker 2: Blade is coming out next year with all the production issues,

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Speaker 2: though it is still slated for next year, so it'll

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Speaker 2: be interesting to see.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean Bobby Rob brought you up to him.

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Speaker 2: He says they're gonna be leaning more, leaning more on

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Speaker 2: sequels rather than originals.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're learning the best lessons from that.

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Speaker 2: Actually, but you know what, we'll give it a try,

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Speaker 2: and we will be here obviously to report all the

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Speaker 2: news and talk about all the movies and TV that

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Speaker 2: don't make it to the screen.

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Speaker 1: And then, finally, on a recent WB Discovery early call,

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Speaker 1: WB Discovery CEO David Zaslav mentioned that the company's financials

469
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Speaker 1: took a pretty big hit because of quote the disappointing

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Speaker 1: release of Suicide Squad, the much ballyhooed Suicide Squad game

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Speaker 1: from rock Steady Studios, which has lost reportedly in the

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Speaker 1: realm of of two hundred million, a two hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollars hit to the company. For various reasons, I think

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Speaker 1: central among them is a problem that is pretty unique

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Speaker 1: to the video game space, which is triple A releases

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Speaker 1: of games that aren't finished. I think this game suffered

477
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Speaker 1: from that. The disappointing, Yeah, the disappointing release of Suicide Squad.

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Speaker 3: I think it's really disappointing.

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Speaker 2: I think another big issue is these companies wanting to

480
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Speaker 2: like the corporations, not that people may in the games,

481
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Speaker 2: wanting to kind of jump onto trend of video games.

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Speaker 2: So I know that when when the first trailer in

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Speaker 2: gameplay release of this came out, people were just really

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Speaker 2: pissed off because they thought it was gonna be a

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Speaker 2: kind of Arkham esque puzzle game story game, you know,

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Speaker 2: with first person shooter elements and stuff, but instead it

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Speaker 2: was kind of this.

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Speaker 3: Very heads up heavy shooter.

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Speaker 2: But in the case of this game, especially as like

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Speaker 2: a Triple A game, I think you're right not being finished,

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Speaker 2: but also not trusting rock Steady to just do what

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Speaker 2: they usually do, which is make really great, intricate, incredible

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Speaker 2: games and not give them enough time. And I think

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Speaker 2: Suicide Squad killed the Justice League that promises so much

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Speaker 2: potential for one of those sprawling stories.

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Speaker 3: I still play the Arkham games now.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're always banging on about them, but I

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Speaker 2: love those games so much, and I think this felt

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Speaker 2: like it had that potential to be another one of

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Speaker 2: those games you'd be playing ten years later, and I

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Speaker 2: think the ultimate outcome was that it didn't hit that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there is a feeling in games

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Speaker 1: when when you don't get a product as a gamer

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Speaker 1: that feels finished in terms of story, in terms of narrative,

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Speaker 1: not just like the mechanics and the gameplay and the

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Speaker 1: way the game plays, you know, the game kind of

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Speaker 1: went from a coherent story to this kind of like

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Speaker 1: ongoing story chapter kind of thing where you you know,

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Speaker 1: this live service angle where the story would unfold through DLC,

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Speaker 1: through updates. It feels as if, as a gamer, what's

511
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Speaker 1: happening is, well, they're just trying to extract money from me,

512
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Speaker 1: like all the time, so I can't. I'm paying for

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Speaker 1: this game and I don't even get something that's finished,

514
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Speaker 1: and I think that's very disappointing. And it's not a

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Speaker 1: problem that's unique to rock Steady or this project. It's

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Speaker 1: not something that happens, you know, across the board, and

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Speaker 1: that's it's disappointing, but coming up something that's not disappointing.

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Speaker 1: Our conversation with Josie Campbell Day.

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Speaker 2: Josie Campbell is a Los Angeles based television writer and producer,

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Speaker 2: an alumni of Emerson College and the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater,

521
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Speaker 2: which she will talk a little bit about more in

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Speaker 2: our chat. Josie's ran some of our favorite shows, including

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Speaker 2: camp Cretaceous, She ra Princess of Power, and most recently,

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Speaker 2: she was the head writer and co producer for the

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Speaker 2: animated series My Adventures With Superman, and she's also written

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Speaker 2: a smagus board of DC movies and TV, and she's

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Speaker 2: here today to talk about her amazing career and the

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Speaker 2: upcoming My Adventures with Superman comic book series.

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Speaker 3: Start with hot, Start with hot with glass?

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Speaker 1: Why Why is your Clark slash Superman actually hotter with glasses?

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Speaker 4: You know, Clark Kent has always been hot, That's what

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Speaker 4: I say. Uh, I like glasses. Uh, I mean, uh,

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Speaker 4: it sounds funny, but we did have a rule on

534
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Speaker 4: the show, and like the artists would laugh and we're like, no,

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Speaker 4: we're dead serious. Like everybody is cute and hot. Every

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Speaker 4: single character who shows up, Ma, She's cute and hot. Clark,

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Speaker 4: He's cute and hot. Like, uh, Jimmy cute and hot.

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Speaker 4: Just everybody is just the cutest, cutiest little petuity on

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Speaker 4: the show, and we need to draw them that way. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And absolutely, and it delivered, you guys, delivered on the

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Speaker 2: cute petuti.

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Speaker 4: Ruleing my office is right next to Jake Wyatt, who's

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Speaker 4: a kosherrunner and Koe p and uh. We would just

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Speaker 4: every now and then I'd hear through the wall, no hotter, Yeah, yea.

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Speaker 4: I looked at like as he's like giving wrong over

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Speaker 4: instructions of people. They were like, yeah, that's that's right,

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Speaker 4: that's right, Clark Kent Superman He's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love guy. I love the idea that off camera,

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Speaker 1: like not in a scene. Off camera. Lois and Jimmy

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Speaker 1: were like, you know, gosh, I think Superman kind of

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Speaker 1: looks like Clark, but like a less handsome version.

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Speaker 3: So we're going back now.

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Speaker 2: Something we always ask people here is like, what's your

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Speaker 2: comic book origin story? Like, what's the comic book or

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Speaker 2: the character that made you fall in love with comics.

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Speaker 4: So my comic book Orgiester. I'm old enough that I

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Speaker 4: remember when comics were still being sold in CBS's so

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Speaker 4: like pharmacies. So yeah, so as a kid, we would

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Speaker 4: go to the local pharmacy.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And I was a kid of the nineties, and my

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Speaker 4: first comics were like a Wonder Woman comic and the

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Speaker 4: Death of Superman are and those were the things that

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Speaker 4: made me fall in love with comics because I was

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Speaker 4: just so like, I was just kind of I didn't

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Speaker 4: know what was going going on. I was just picking

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Speaker 4: up a comic and coming in right in the middle

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Speaker 4: of this. I'm like, what is happening, and I was

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Speaker 4: so intrigued. And then you know, on TV, I was

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Speaker 4: watching anime like Sailor Moon had just come over to America.

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Speaker 4: Drugon ball Z had just come over to America. I

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Speaker 4: found out those were comics too, So basically, like DC

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Speaker 4: Comics was my introduction slash Gateway Drug into comic books,

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Speaker 4: and I was just enthralled. I love superhero comics, I

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Speaker 4: love fight scenes, I love big emotions like I love

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Speaker 4: the soap opera nature of comics, like just all of

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Speaker 4: that from like age like seven onwards.

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Speaker 3: I was hooked.

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Speaker 1: So we kind of touched on it. But tell us

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about the iteration process for the

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Speaker 1: character designs. They are so winning, so charming. You've got

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Speaker 1: Lois with the short hair, super hot Clark, super hot everybody,

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Speaker 1: and I personally love the way that the animation style

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Speaker 1: elevated the core characteristics of all these characters. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that process.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so like, so much credit goes to

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Speaker 4: our design team, so much goes to the artists working

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Speaker 4: on the show. But then also you know to co

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Speaker 4: showrunners and coep's Jake Wyatt and Brendan klawher like I was.

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Speaker 4: I was actually when they first started developing the show,

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Speaker 4: I was working on DreamWorks. I was the head writer

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Speaker 4: for Jurassic World, Camp Catacious, and I had known Great

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Speaker 4: Thank You, and I had known Brendan from Shira and

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Speaker 4: we were pals. And so he and Jake like took

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Speaker 4: me out to like lunch, and we're like, we want

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Speaker 4: you to come work on the show with us, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know. And then they're like,

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Speaker 4: here's Jake and brendan' shrawing some Clark Lowis and Jimmy

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Speaker 4: and I was like, Okay, yeah, never mind, I'm in.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, but like the very idea of our show

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Speaker 4: was let's do something that both feels original. It feels

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Speaker 4: very much like this is the core of this character,

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Speaker 4: this is who Superman and Clark Kent is, but at

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Speaker 4: the same time, do it in a way that people

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Speaker 4: haven't seen before. And that was really the mandate all

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Speaker 4: throughout every part of it, like writing the show, designing

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Speaker 4: the show is Okay, what if we take this character

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Speaker 4: that people know and make a slightly new version of them,

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Speaker 4: It's still the same core person. You know, Jimmy is

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Speaker 4: still getting kidnapped by gorillas and obsessed with like silver

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Speaker 4: age stuff. Lois is still jumping into danger and getting

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Speaker 4: herself kidnapped on purpose. But here's sort of the version

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Speaker 4: of them we've never seen before. Here's the version of

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Speaker 4: Lois who like, you know, for our modern audience, here's

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Speaker 4: her gumption, here's what she looks like. And then once

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Speaker 4: we started the show, we had such a strong design team,

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Speaker 4: like Jane Bach was our art director, Dohanng was our

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Speaker 4: like one of her character leads, and just every time

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Speaker 4: we would write in the script, are like, okay, like

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Speaker 4: here is Slade Wilson, here's like comics with his appearance.

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Speaker 4: And then they'd be like, what if he's a bashonan

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Speaker 4: pretty boy and he's just running around And we're like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I have never seen that before. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, the same thing of a lot of care

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Speaker 4: like heat Wave, Live Wire. They're like, okay, what if

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Speaker 4: they look like this now though, and we're like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we've never seen that version of them before. So you know,

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Speaker 4: Brendan and Jake set the set the bar high, and

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Speaker 4: then our incredible design team would just go go ham

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Speaker 4: They just go off and they'd come back and they're like,

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Speaker 4: here's seven designs for heat Wave, and each one she's

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Speaker 4: like bigger and musclier than the last. Which one do

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Speaker 4: you want? We know which one we want.

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Speaker 3: You're like, the bigger, the bath, bigger, the better. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So what was your journey to getting into animation, because

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Speaker 2: this isn't your first foray into d C. You've also done.

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Speaker 2: You wrote Legion of Superheroes. I think we chatted about

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Speaker 2: that for DC dot Calm. You work on some other

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Speaker 2: DC animations. So what was your journey of getting into animation,

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Speaker 2: Getting to kind of herald these incredible characters from Jurassic World.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love that show so much with my

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Speaker 2: children that I would die for to, you know, getting

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Speaker 2: to do my adventures with Superman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so, I you know, I went to

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Speaker 4: school for theater. Actually, originally I thought I wanted to

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Speaker 4: be the next David Mammott, and I was like, gonna

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Speaker 4: write serious plays, and then like my first semester, I

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Speaker 4: got into like a TV writing a class and a

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Speaker 4: a comedy troupe, and I was like, never mind, I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna do like comedy and TV. And then you know,

651
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Speaker 4: the entire time, like I've loved animation since I was

652
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: a kid, Like I was like the teenager who'd come

653
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: home because I had to watch Justice League Unlimited, like

654
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 4: I needed to hit Tunami, like I needed to like

655
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 4: watch all of that stuff. And you know, when I

656
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: went to college, I met a bunch of friends who

657
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: were also into animation. Like some of our sketches we

658
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 4: would do for a comedy troup would be like limited

659
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: animation we did ourselves, or claymation. And then when I

660
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: moved out to Los Angeles, one of those friends got

661
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 4: a job working for Alan, who is the producer famous

662
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: producer of Batman and the animated series, and put us

663
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: one of my scripts in front of him, and Alan

664
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 4: called me and it was like, I really like your work,

665
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: like pitch me things, and so Alan gave me my

666
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 4: first job. It was like pitching Scooby Doo and then

667
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 4: Justice League, Action stuff, Pinicula just sort of like everything.

668
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: And then from there I just kept going. You know,

669
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: I became the head writer of She Run the Princess

670
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: of Power over at DreamWorks, head writer of Jurassic World

671
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 4: Camp Cretaceous, and then yeah, basically Brendan and Jake were like, no,

672
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: you want to come and work on Superman. I'm like,

673
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: you're absolutely right, I want to do that, And I

674
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: came over and the three of us, you know, Della

675
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 4: the show a little bit more and wrote the pilot

676
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 4: and got the green light and it's been a it's

677
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: been Metropolis ever since.

678
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: What is it like for you to have that journey

679
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: from being a fan from your first comics being you know,

680
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: Death of Superman to now getting to reshape this character

681
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: for a kind of new generation.

682
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: Oh, it's it's huge. It's like both really lovely. It's

683
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: it's extremely excited and also occasionally daunting because.

684
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: You know, I love this kid.

685
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: You know, I love this character so much. But when

686
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: you're you know, in the creative process, what you do

687
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: is what you feel is right. Like it's you know,

688
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 4: when you're being creative, you're like, Okay, what would I

689
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 4: like to see or what I what do I think

690
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: would be like engaging or what's most satisfying to me?

691
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 4: And it's it's hard because you don't know if that

692
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 4: necessarily will resonate with other people. You just know it

693
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: resonates with you. So to have our Superman get out

694
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: there and to see it resonate with so many people

695
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 4: and have so many people you know, come up to

696
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: me and say, like, you know, this is the Superman,

697
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: Like I've been dying to see for like a decade,

698
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: Like I missed the Superman has been really really rewarding

699
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 4: and then daunting again because I'm like, oh God, I

700
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: hope you like season two. I hope we can keep

701
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 4: that feeling going.

702
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite things about your show

703
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: is that Superman is Clark. That relationship is you know,

704
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: different every time you see Superman with different creative teams.

705
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes Clark is just like a preceding chapter and the

706
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: entire stories really about Superman. But this Superman is Clark.

707
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: Tell us about creating that tone and that vibe of

708
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: really unifying Superman and Clark.

709
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean again, it was. It was both something

710
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: that we hadn't seen in a while and something that

711
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: felt core to the character that you know, there's always,

712
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: you know, in those Geekee debates, there's always like who

713
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: is he? Is he Superman and Clark Kent is the

714
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: masker is Hee Clark and Superman's the mask And you know,

715
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 4: for I think a long time, we've seen Superman is

716
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: the real one and Clark is like the put On persona.

717
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: You know, I love the Donner movie, but you've got that,

718
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: you know, the most recent Snyder movies are definitely that.

719
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: You know, I'm excited to see what James Gunn has

720
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: to offer. But for us, you know, Clark is the

721
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: interesting one because he's the human one, Like he is

722
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: a kid who like he showed up on Earth as

723
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 4: a baby and was raised in the Midwest like my mom,

724
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 4: like he you know, to us, the most interesting version

725
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 4: of this character is what he is is most human

726
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: and he's trying to fit in and he's scared that

727
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: he might superpower break something, and he's holding himself back

728
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 4: and then like learning to embrace who he is. And

729
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 4: a big part of that came out of what we

730
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: started with in the pilot in the first two episodes,

731
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: which is one of the biggest chances you want to do,

732
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: is we didn't want him to get that like Crystal

733
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: that tells him everything about his origin.

734
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: Like you said that in a lot.

735
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 4: Of movies and a lot of media where they're like, Clark,

736
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 4: you are my son, and you are Superman and this

737
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 4: is S stands for hope, and here is your powers,

738
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 4: and we wanted our clerk to not know any of

739
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: that he is discovering who he is and what he

740
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 4: can do along with the audience. And that also feels

741
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 4: very relatable to us and also very modern to us,

742
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 4: that here's this person who hasn't quite figured out who

743
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 4: he is, but he's slowly getting there. And it's just

744
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 4: it gives us the potential for so much story where

745
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 4: you know, theoretically you've seen this character before, you've seen

746
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 4: a million iterations of him, but you don't know where

747
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: this story is going because you don't know what Clark's

748
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 4: about to discover about himself next, or discover about the

749
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 4: world next.

750
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're not not only do we have season

751
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: two coming up, which we will talk about in a minute,

752
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: but you're writing My Adventures with Superman the comic. So

753
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: what was it like to get to you know, not

754
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: you mentioned you had this success, People come up to you,

755
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: they tell you've been waiting for it. What was it

756
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: like for DC to then come up to you and say, well,

757
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: do you want to make it a comic?

758
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: Like?

759
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 2: Do you want to translate this back into the format

760
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: that it began with?

761
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

762
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: It was really it was really great and Aws so

763
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, I get to write a Superman comic. Like,

764
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 4: that's not something I thought i'd ever scratch off my

765
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: like Bingo card. So no, it was really exciting because

766
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 4: you know, I love the show. I love working on it.

767
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 4: I'm so glad people like it. And then yeah, when

768
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 4: DC approached us, approached us and approached me, they're like, hey, like,

769
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 4: do you have like you know, we'd love to do

770
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: something like or like a spin off or something like that.

771
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 4: Do you have any ideas? And the is actually sort

772
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: of based on this idea we kind of had in

773
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 4: the writer's room, but just there was never a place

774
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 4: for it in season one. So the comic. The comic

775
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: takes place in between season one and season two. It's

776
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: not gonna spoil anything for season two, but like some

777
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 4: things will like it'll like connect a little bit better

778
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 4: tea up. But yeah, it's kind of an original story

779
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: that we came up with based off of the Amazo

780
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: Tech robot that's in suits that Doctor Ivo was making

781
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: and takes place during Christmas, So it's also our basically

782
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: fake Christmas episode and I think it's it's gonna be

783
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 4: a lot of fun, like very additive, like you can

784
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 4: watch season two without it, but if you watch season

785
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 4: two and read the comic, I think you're gonna get

786
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 4: a lot more out of like especially like Clark's like

787
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 4: relation to like Krypton and his powers and stuff like that.

788
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and visually it looks so much like the show.

789
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: Like the artist, it's such a brilliant job bringing the

790
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: tone to life.

791
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, No, Pablo is the uh is the artist,

792
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: is the line artist, and he's just incredible. And you know,

793
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: we talked Andrew is my editor over at DC, and

794
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: we talked about, like, you know, well, how do we

795
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: like approximate like the look, and like one of the

796
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 4: big things is, you know, we're all, you know, everybody

797
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: working on the show is a kid of the nineties,

798
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 4: two thousands. We're all very influenced by anime. Like, so

799
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: we're like, okay, for the comic, let's have somebody who's

800
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: very influenced by manga. So, you know, Pablo comes in

801
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: and he's doing an amazing job. We got him like

802
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 4: a bunch of backgrounds and a bunch of like of

803
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 4: the design work in art so he could like look

804
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 4: at it and like approximate it in his style. But

805
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 4: then he goes above and beyond kids. He's like literally

806
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 4: applying screen tone, like like handling everything like you would

807
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 4: in a manga. So I think it's just like a

808
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: project that everybody who touches it gets excited to dive

809
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: into it. So I think, yeah, me and Pablo are

810
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 4: thrilled to have people read the comic.

811
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Speaker 1: Season two of My Adventures with Superman debuts me twenty

812
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: fifth on Adult Swim. What can you tell us about

813
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: season two?

814
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 4: Oh, I know, I'm trying to think of like what

815
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 4: doesn't give spoilers. So season two, you know, you think

816
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: people can see from the trailer there's gonna be a

817
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: lot more villains, there's gonna be some new characters showing up,

818
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 4: including perhaps a specific female character. But like, I think

819
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: the biggest thing, you know, the season two sort of

820
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: picks up like basically that very next year, their first

821
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 4: year reporters. They're no longer interns. They're starting to make

822
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 4: their mark in the city, and I think a lot

823
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 4: of what we're going to be doing in the season

824
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: is sort of testing those bonds, Like you know, they

825
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 4: were so bonded to Jimmy, Lewis and Clark were such

826
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 4: a team in season one and now their dreams are

827
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: coming true. But that's a little bit more pressure. There's

828
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: a little bit more question of like what their future

829
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 4: is going to be. So I think you're gonna see

830
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: those relationships tested a little bit. And then yeah, and

831
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 4: then like I think we're going beyond just Metropolis. There's

832
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 4: gonna be some characters people are gonna see showing up.

833
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: I think again, it's it's of the core of them

834
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 4: is the same, but the way they look is going

835
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: to be very different, and some of the ways they

836
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: act is gonna be very different. So and we have

837
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 4: Michael Emerson this season, so I'm excited.

838
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that must be one of the most

839
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: exciting things is getting to expand this. So I was

840
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: gonna say, just before we go, what what's the kind

841
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: of hero or villain that you'd like to write most

842
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: next Not necessarily in the show.

843
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: It can be in a movie and in one of

844
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: the comics.

845
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's hard. I mean Superman has been like

846
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 4: my top tier for like years, Like, I absolutely love Superman,

847
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: I love his villains. Man, that's a really hard question.

848
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 4: Like I think I'd love to like do something completely

849
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: different and like write something in like the Batman universe,

850
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: like like a Catwoman like Mini or something like that

851
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: would be fun. But like it's it's hard when you've

852
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 4: hit Superman. It's hits hard Superman. Yeah, brain like lex Luthor,

853
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: like all of that is hard to top.

854
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: Well, Josie, thanks so much for joining us.

855
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, guys, thank you. In today's back Matter,

856
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: where we dive a little bit deeper into a ongoing

857
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: topic or conversation or something that we think you might

858
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: like to know a bit more about, we're going to

859
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: talk about animated movies for superhero comic book adaptations versus.

860
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: Live action movies, and specifically in.

861
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: The DC realm, because yeah, the reality is that for

862
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: a long time, DC animated movies were seen as the

863
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: gold standard for any superhero movie, like in the nineties

864
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: and the Zero's pre.

865
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: MCU, even after the X Men and Spider Man.

866
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: I will say, a lot of people would say, nah,

867
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Speaker 2: Crisis on Earth too, that's the one, Like these are

868
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: my movie, like the Mask of the Phantasm.

869
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: You know.

870
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: So DC has always had an incredibly strong economy of

871
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: animated subero movies, which is kind of why it's funny

872
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: that for a lot of people they felt like their

873
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: live action movies didn't live up.

874
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: Now, I personally will say I do.

875
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: Think that the live action movies that DC has put out,

876
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: I think there's a really interesting variety to them, but

877
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: they've definitely never had that consistency of those those DC

878
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: animated movies. Do you remember the first time you kind

879
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: of discovered that that treasure trove of those films?

880
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it would have been after you know, the

881
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: classic Batman the animated series and then going into them.

882
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: It was I mean, there was a period of time,

883
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: I would say ten to twelve years ago, as the

884
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: MCU was spinning up and was beginning to take over

885
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: the world in DC outside of the Nolan Batman movies,

886
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: was kind of like, what are we doing? Where all

887
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: my DC friends and they're completely correct about this. We're like, well,

888
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: why don't they just take the creative teams behind the

889
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: enemies right and give them the keys to start producing

890
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: these movies? And they're absolutely correct. I think you're right,

891
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: Like that has been the gold standard for a while.

892
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: The adaptations are wonderful, and there's something else too, like

893
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: I almost feel like, I don't know, having seen the

894
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: perfectly good Blue Beetle, the most recent Aquaman movie. I

895
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: almost feel as if there's like a cyclical thing happening

896
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: where DC movies chase the marvel tone of this kind

897
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: of laughy stuff. Right now, it almost feels like, yes,

898
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: the audiences are wanting the previous DC live action tone,

899
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: which is the grittier tone. So I'll be interested to

900
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: see how that changes DC's approach. But I mean, what

901
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: do you think, what are if you were going to

902
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: recommend some of the best DCAU stuff, what would you say?

903
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: I would obviously I would definitely say start with you know,

904
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: Mask of the Phantasm, which actually technically isn't under that

905
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: DC Universe Animated Original Movie banner, but it is like

906
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: one of the best movies that DC's ever made, and

907
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: it regularly still plays in the cinema as well, like

908
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: at least once the year they'll kind of re release it.

909
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: But if you're looking at like the kind of actual

910
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: ac DCAU as they called it, Superman Doomsday, it's really good.

911
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: I own it on DVD. That's a great one.

912
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: Justice League the New Frontier, which was absolutely fantastic. They

913
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: did All Star Superman, which I think a lot of

914
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: people loved. Justice League Doom is another really good one.

915
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: It's really interesting because they basically adapted like many, many,

916
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: many of the most famous DC comics. So if you

917
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: love like the Killing Joke, there is an adaptation of

918
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: it that one wasn't necessarily for me. Batman Gotham by Gaslight,

919
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: I love that one. That was one of the later ones.

920
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: And Batman under the Red Hood is another really good one.

921
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: My nephew's really into Jason Todd right now, so that's

922
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: like a big thing.

923
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Speaker 3: I mean. The good thing is there's basically all kinds

924
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: of great.

925
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: Movies that they've managed to bring their own tone. They

926
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: don't often ape the art style, which I do think

927
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: is interesting. I found that really interesting watching The Dark

928
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: Knight Returns one. It doesn't have that Frank Miller Lim

929
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: Varley art style. But the cool thing is you can

930
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: literally just google DC Animated original movie and it will

931
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: come up and there's like thirty or forty movies.

932
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Speaker 3: And I think one of.

933
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: The things, and this is another thing I wanted to

934
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Speaker 2: ask you about. One of the things I think is

935
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: most interesting about this is like it's that question of

936
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: why does live action sometimes struggle where animation doesn't. And

937
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: I think it's because they can do more in animation

938
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: that would cost so much more money to do in

939
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: live action.

940
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: Like think about so recently.

941
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: We had Spider Man Across the Spider Verse, and we

942
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 2: had Teenage Mutant it was new and Mayhem. Both of

943
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: those were huge smashes in a time when people were like, oh, well,

944
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: there's comic book fatigue.

945
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: You know, there's comica move tigue. Both of them are

946
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: comic book movies.

947
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: But there's something there where they can bring a style

948
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: and a tone and a vibe and ambition that I

949
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: think you can't always get in live action. And I

950
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: do think that's like one of the pros of keeping

951
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: the animated comic book movies going.

952
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there is, you know, an authenticity

953
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: to the kind of action that you imagine. You know,

954
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: when I when I read comics every sin sorry as

955
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: a kid, You're seeing what's on the panel, but I'm

956
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: imagining the action as it takes place as well. And

957
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: you know that the Batman and animated series was so

958
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: good at translating that into the thing that you and

959
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: the X Men animated series was so good at translating

960
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: the action that I'm imagining into something that I'm actually

961
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: seeing to your point. I think it's just easier. It's

962
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: easier to nail the tone. There's something about animation that

963
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: says that that speaks to the way you interpret the

964
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: form when you first pick it up. You know, it's

965
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: not adult, Uh, it's not. It frames the story, no

966
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: matter the kind of emotional or plot context, in something

967
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: that feels natural to comics. So you can get as serious,

968
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: as gritty and as violent as is necessary, but it

969
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: always feels tonally correct. And when you take that and

970
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: you put the kind of violence that you see in

971
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: animation into live action, what you have often is like harsh,

972
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: Like it's just it can be horrific.

973
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: Think about Invincible, you know, yeah, how there's so much

974
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: but even that moment, I'm so glad you brought up

975
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: X Men ninety seven actually because obviously we're living in

976
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: a renaissance of Marvel animation right now with that show.

977
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: But like, think about the ending.

978
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: Of the last episode spoiler alert, put your ear muffs on.

979
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: You know, Wolverine having the Adamantium torn off his bones.

980
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: They managed to.

981
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: Do so much blood, so much fear in his eyes,

982
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: But that would have been an R rated movie if

983
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: you put that.

984
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: In a movie, it'd be horrible.

985
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think you make a great point.

986
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: That's another thing is you can translate some of the

987
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: darker stuff in a way that's more accessible and kind

988
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: of like easy for people to swallow than if it

989
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: was in you know, a scary R rated movie, which

990
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: obviously we don't get a lot of those when it

991
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: comes to superheroes.

992
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: It's just not something we get.

993
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: We always like to end the show with fast paced

994
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: segment and this time we're doing Who's Who, in which

995
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: we are gonna select our favorite deep cut DC weirdo

996
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: Rosie who you got?

997
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: Okay? Detective Chimp? Is he that deep cut anymore? I

998
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: don't know.

999
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: I feel like people maybe know him, but he's a chimp,

1000
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: he's a detective.

1001
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 3: I love him. He's an old school character.

1002
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: Another one of my favorite characters, this is very in

1003
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: the Doom Patrol Realm. I love flex mentalo O, created

1004
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: by Grant Morrison and Richard Case. If you've ever read

1005
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: an old superhero comic and you've seen in the back

1006
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: a Charles Atlas ad and it's like you can become

1007
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: strong just like send us, you know, five dollars and

1008
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 2: we'll teach out to become strong.

1009
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: Flex Mentalo is.

1010
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: Essentially a guy from one of those adverts that comes

1011
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: to life and and is this incredible meta take on superheroes.

1012
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: And Frank Quietly and Grant Marrison did a great flex

1013
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 2: Mentalo mini series that you can read and it's yeah,

1014
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: those are those are two of my all time faves.

1015
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 3: What about you?

1016
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: I want to stress that favorite is not what I'm

1017
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: going for here. It's me. You're going for weird about

1018
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: this weird? I'm going for weird, truly weird. Josie was

1019
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: talking about nineties comics and there was no weirder period

1020
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: maybe in the history of comics. So I'm going to

1021
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: pick a true product of the nineties, cod piece who

1022
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: appeared to control in the nineties. It is a villain,

1023
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: clearly a villain who was created in order to mock

1024
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: some of the trends that were popular at the time,

1025
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: the over use of armor and huge pockets and knee

1026
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: pads and all these different kind of like military esque

1027
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: accouterments on characters, costumes, codpieces, a villain who is It's

1028
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: exactly what you think, folks, It's exactly the the the

1029
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: piece of this character's costume that is overemphasized is the

1030
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: one that he is named after. Yes.

1031
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: Extreme in every way.

1032
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: Yes, and one of the weirdest things that's ever happened in.

1033
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: Its nineties comics Baby, That's an episode we have to

1034
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: do one day, the Extreme era.

1035
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: What a time.

1036
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: On Thursday's episode of x ra Vision, we're diving into

1037
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: X Men ninety seven after the season wraps, and we'll

1038
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: be joined by the incredible Me and Queen and X

1039
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: Men Superman Stephanie Williams. And then on Friday, we're dropping

1040
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: a mini surprise episode for you webheads out there. Until then,

1041
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening by x ray Vision is hosted by

1042
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: Jason Kitsumsion and Rosie Knight and is a production of

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Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman.

1044
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are

1045
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by

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00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: Brian Basquez.

1047
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi

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Speaker 3: On Discolled Moderata