1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and you're listening to Steph Moon 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: Never Told You. Lately, I've been seeing a lot of 3 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: stories in the news about something called drunk arexia, which, 4 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: if you don't know, is pretty much what it sounds like, 5 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: depriving yourself of food so that you can get drunk 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: or faster, and that you can save your calories for alcohol. 7 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: And this is something that I have caught myself and 8 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: a lot of my friends doing, and hopefully it goes 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: without saying it is not a healthy thing to do, 10 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: not a wise thing to do at all. In this 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: classic episode, we take a look back at drunk orexia, 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: substance abuse, and eating disorders. Welcome to Stuff I've Never 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: Told You from House touff Works dot com. Hello, and 14 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline. And 15 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: on today's podcast, we're going to talk about a term 16 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: that has only been around for a few years, and 17 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: it is drunk or rexio. Yeah, and it's appeared in 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: a lot of trend stories about not only eating disorders, 19 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: but like college students in particular, particularly those college students 20 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: who are choosing to drink their calories rather than eat 21 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: their calories. And I'm just going to start off by 22 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: saying that the two are not equivalent. You are not 23 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: getting any nutrients from that bud light. I can just 24 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: assure you that is very true. Now, Caroline, before we 25 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: get into this podcast on drunk Rexy, I just want 26 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: to offer a trigger warning here that we are going 27 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: to be talking about eating disorders and behaviors associated with 28 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: eating disorders. So for those of you who might be 29 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: sensitive to those topics, just a warning of what is ahead. 30 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: The term drunk arexia first popped up in two thousand eight, 31 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: mostly in celebrity blogs that were referencing ultra thin celebrities, 32 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:21,559 Speaker 1: usually women obviously, who appear to subsist on alcohol and cigarettes. 33 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: But now it's popping up portraying a trend particularly among 34 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: college girls, although this is something that guys are doing 35 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: as well, and it is not a medically accepted term, 36 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: and you could lump it though, together with things like 37 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: manarexia or theorexia, which is the obsession with healthy food 38 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: that can actually become unhealthy, or pregarexia when pregnant women 39 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: will starve themselves in an attempt to not look pregnant. 40 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: And drunk arexia though, even though um, it's a new term. 41 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: It's an old habit there. There's really nothing new about 42 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: the idea of the cutting back on food so that 43 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: they can supposedly drink more and not gain the weight. 44 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: And over at Jezebel, Lyndy West brushed it off as 45 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: kind of pointless because she was like, wait, aren't we 46 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: just calling anorexia by a different name. But the reason, 47 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: one of the reasons though I wanted to talk about 48 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: it is because even though yeah, drunk arexia might be 49 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: very headline grabby and yes, it can be a different 50 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: name for a type of eating disorder because it is 51 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: so attention grabbing, I feel like it could serve a 52 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: useful purpose because it is highlighting a disordered behavior that 53 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: I don't feel like has gotten as much media attention before. Yeah, 54 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: and I mean a lot of people online I read about, 55 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, argue that it's really not that big of 56 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: a deal, Like you should be cutting back on calories 57 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: if you're going to be drinking a lot. But we're 58 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: not really talking about you know, eating healthy all the 59 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: time and then drinking in moderation when you're out socially. No, 60 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're talking about an issue of you know, 61 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: maybe you're unhappy with your body, you know, maybe you're 62 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: taking steps that are completely unhealthy, or maybe you're just 63 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, completely cutting out food the day that you 64 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: decide you want to go out and party at night, right, 65 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: because it's often associated with binge drinking in particular, And 66 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: I do want to note though, before we go on, 67 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: that I am I don't want to say that I'm 68 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: a fan of the term drunk arexia. I understand that 69 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: there are certain pitfalls to it in terms of maybe 70 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: jazzing up what would otherwise just be called anorexia, but 71 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: I do think it's useful as opposed to something like manorexia, 72 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: where those are the exact same symptoms as anorexia. You're 73 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: just calling it a funny name because guys are doing 74 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: something that girls used to just do. But with drunk arexia, 75 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: it's not that these people aren't eating all the time. 76 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: It's more the connect and of not eating so that 77 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: they can drink at least when it comes to these 78 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: trend stories about what's going on on college campuses. For instance, 79 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: there was a two thousand ABC News story which quoted 80 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: a female sorority member who talked about how drunk orrexia 81 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: is encouraged in her Greek system, and it was no 82 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: big deal with if there was a social coming up 83 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: the girls in her house. And I'm not saying that 84 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: this is going on at all stories everywhere. This is 85 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: just an example from one ABC News story taking one 86 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: sorting house. But she said that, you know, it was 87 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: assumed that you were gonna eat maybe just a salad 88 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: or something very small, if anything at all, so that 89 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: you could have all of shnaps you wanted. Right. This 90 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: young woman talked about how it was basically a support 91 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: system among her sisters, that they would trade methods for 92 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: skipping meals, like working out late at night instead of 93 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: eating having just one medium meal during the day, which 94 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean I would lose my freaking mind um and 95 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: in some case throwing up before going out. And they 96 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: quoted her as saying, I've done drunk arexia for years 97 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: and I'm still healthy and I'm skinny. She said, that's 98 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds to me, so it's not 99 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: likely that I'll stop doing it anytime soon. And I 100 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: just I want to shake her and then transition it 101 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: into a hug, you know, like shake, hug, hug, shake, um, 102 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: because like that, it's just not healthy. You're doing something 103 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: so terrible to your body when you're substituting alcohol. But 104 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: I can understand though, from thinking back to my eighteen 105 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty year old perspective, where you see two things 106 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: that are lauded on campus culture if you're a female, 107 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: being fun party girl and being thin girl, you know, 108 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: and and that way, like I totally understand her twisted 109 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: logic of saying, well, it's the best of both worlds. 110 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: I can do all of these things and I don't 111 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: have to really do it the hard way, even though, 112 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: as we'll talk about, you're actually putting your body through 113 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: very hard things by doing this. But it's not just 114 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: girls doing that. Although the motivations for guys practicing drunk 115 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: orexia would would you call that practicing drunk rex male 116 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: drunk orexix? Uh, their motivations tend to be a little 117 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: bit more financially motivated, and for guys, their motivations tend 118 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more financial and also wanting 119 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: to optimize their potential drunkenness. Right, yeah, money is definitely 120 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: a motivator. Uh. This one guy they quoted said, when 121 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: you consume on an empty stomach, you feel the effect quicker. 122 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: He said, there was one Friday where I only ate 123 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: a pint of ice cream all day, knowing I'd be 124 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: drinking liquor later that night. So like this this money issue, 125 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: like I get it, and I trust me. I used 126 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: to live at a bar in college for a period 127 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: and day to the bartender because it was just that 128 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: convenient it. Um, Like, I get the whole thing of 129 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: like if I eat less, I will get drunk faster. 130 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: I remember having that thought. It was never like I 131 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: literally like when I'm reading about drunk arexy, I'm like, wow, 132 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: this logic literally never occurred to me because I love 133 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: eating so much. Um, But I do remember having the 134 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: same thought of like, well I can get drunk faster 135 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: and they have money. Uh so yeah, that's awful. Yeah, 136 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that some listeners are thinking, okay, yeah, 137 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: the eating aspect aside, doesn't this just sound like a 138 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: lot of rampant drinking problems on the loose And and yeah, absolutely, 139 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: there is definitely a substance abuse issue that's tied up 140 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: with this, and that's why campus abuse counselors are more 141 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: commonly warning against that drunk orexia combo. Trying to break 142 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: this cycle, this logic, I should say in kids heads 143 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: the eight it's a good thing to get as drunk 144 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: as possible on an empty stomach and be that you 145 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: You're you're striving to be thin. And at at what cost? 146 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: Anyway you cut it. The amount of drinking and the 147 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: not amount of eating. Both of those things are harmful 148 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: for your bodies. And you put it together and it's 149 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: even more harmful. Right. And one study that looked at 150 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: that combination was study out of the University of Missouri, Columbia, 151 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: which looked at that relationship between alcohol abuse and eating disorders. 152 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: They found that six of the college kids they talked 153 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: to reported quote, saving meal calories to spend on drinking, 154 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: and of those, three times more women than men admitted 155 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: to drunk orexic behavior. The National Center on Addiction and 156 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: Substance Abuse echoes this stuff, saying that fift of individuals 157 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: with eating disorders abuse alcohol or drug compared to only 158 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: nine of the general population. And I think it's interesting because, 159 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we've talked about eating disorders a lot, 160 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: and and the motivations behind it that it's not just 161 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: necessarily I don't want to be fat when you when 162 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: you are suffering from antorexia or boliemia. That there's a 163 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of like you know, emotional and mental things that 164 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: go into it too, as far as like perfectionism, obsessive 165 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: compulsive disorder, and so you know, some studies have talked 166 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: about how perhaps women and men with some type of 167 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: eating disorder are also binge drinking to maybe calm some 168 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: of that anxiety that drives them. Uh. Yeah, when we 169 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: really get down to the clinical level, if we get 170 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: off of college campuses for a minute and get into 171 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: eating disorder treatment centers that are really looking more into 172 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: the substance abuse factors, we can see how those two 173 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: things can be really intertwined. For instance, there was an 174 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: article in the New York Times talking about this and 175 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: they interviewed Douglas Bunell, who is the director of outpatient 176 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: clinical services for the Renfrew Center based in Philadelphia, and 177 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: he talked about how there are women who are afraid 178 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: to put a quote grape in their mouth, but they 179 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: have no problem drinking a beer. And part of that, 180 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: like you said, it's a motivation of calming those nerves 181 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: um that might be associated with eating disorders and uh, 182 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: just to drive home some more statistics, The New York 183 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: Times article also cited a two thousand three Columbia University 184 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: study which found that people with eating disorders are five 185 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: times more likely to become substance abusers, and on the 186 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: flip side of that, substance abusers are eleven times more 187 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: likely to have an eating disorders. So clearly there is 188 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: a strong relationship going on between ween the eating disorders, 189 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: whether it be anorexia, bulimia, or eating eating disorders not 190 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: otherwise classified and substance abuse, right and not all jibes 191 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: with a two thousand seven study from Biological Psychiatry which 192 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: found that to thirty three percent of bolimics and anorexics 193 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: do have substance abuse problems. And since this was really 194 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: highlighted on college campuses, Adam Barry, who was a professor 195 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: of health, education and behavior at the University of Florida, 196 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: published in two thousand and ten the most comprehensive study 197 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: on drunk arexia came out in the Journal of American 198 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: College Health, and he looked at twenty two college students 199 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: at forty different universities, and he found that controlling for 200 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: factors of race, school year, Greek affiliation, and on campus living, 201 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: vigorous exercise, and disordered eating uniquely predicted binge drinking, so 202 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,359 Speaker 1: clearly that relation ship has been established. And for researchers 203 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: for substance abuse counselors and eating disorder researchers, now the 204 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: psychological and neurological links between eating disorders and substance abuse 205 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: is something that researchers are looking deeper into because they're 206 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: starting to understand how they put They fit so closely 207 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: together because food can function addictively in the same way 208 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: as drugs and alcohol. But for treating someone who is 209 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: dealing with an extreme eating disorder and with a substance 210 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: abuse problem, it can be challenging to unravel because with 211 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: eating disorder, you're telling them to start consuming something, but 212 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: to treat the substance abuse that you're telling them to 213 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: stop consuming something. So it's a challenging set of things 214 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: to overcome. And um, when it comes to bulimia, for instance, 215 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: they might be using alcohol to purge, or for anorexics, 216 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: they might be drinking to calm anxiety. And so, uh, 217 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: this is one of the newer aspects of of these 218 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: treatment centers. Yeah, very multifaceted treatment that you have to 219 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: definitely be careful with. Now we've talked about a lot 220 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: of like contributing factors to why it's happening. You know, 221 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: people wanting to save money and get drunk faster, people 222 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: wanting to save calories so they'll be thinner. Um, maybe 223 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: soothing social anxiety. And you know, it's all part of 224 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: a binge drinking culture on campus. But it's also part 225 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: of a huge disgusting weight loss industry. Like inexcusable diet 226 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: alcohol marketing. I can't stand up marketing marketing. It promotes 227 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: the connection between drinking and wait, and this was discussed 228 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: in an article in the Atlantic by Yacoba Urus. Then 229 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: the theory is that diet alcohol adds encouraged teens and 230 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: college students to engage in this troubling behavior that more 231 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: and more experts are referring to as drunk orexia. And 232 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: so it's actually getting more and more uh, actual academic 233 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: attend show. Yeah, and for women especially one to start 234 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: referred to these new marketing tactics as like Virginia Slims 235 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: all over again, because they're saying for years, if you 236 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: think about beer advertisements, for instance, uh. A lot of 237 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: times the legacy advertising for that cast women in a 238 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: more objective light, shall we say, But now it's like 239 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: marketers are just finally figuring out that, oh wait, women 240 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: like booze so but women also want to be slim, 241 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: so we can open up this whole new market for it. 242 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: And they usually distinguish between two different types of these, 243 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: diet or healthy I don't even want to call it 244 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: healthy alcohol, where you have like the fitness kind of 245 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: ab where you have the fitness ads such as something 246 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: for like um, the low calorie beers where it will 247 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: usually be and these always make me laugh because it's 248 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: usually showing someone who is still sweaty from working out 249 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: and pounding a beer, which which I'm like, I if 250 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: I don't, I can't think about alcohol after I finish 251 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: a jog um. But then you also have the more 252 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: straight up diet marketing four things that are a lot 253 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: of times targeted to women as local pre mixed options 254 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: like Bethany Frankel's Skinny Girl cocktail mixes and stuff like that. 255 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah. Jacoba Rus in the Atlantic called out that 256 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: that brand a lot, because it mean it is one 257 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: she's She's made a ton of money off of it. Obviously, Um, 258 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: it's working. And I have had a skinny girl margarita 259 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: and it was wasn't It was refreshing, it was acceptable. Yes, 260 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: I had it right after I got done jogging. Now 261 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: you were running a race and somebody handed a cup 262 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: out instead of water, it was and that skinny girl. Well, 263 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: I poured the first one all over my face, like yeah, 264 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: and then I and then I drank another one to 265 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: make the my cramps go away. Well. David Joern again 266 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: had a really pragmatic attitude about this. He's the director 267 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: of the Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth at Johns 268 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. He said, there's no 269 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: question that the alcohol industry is presenting their goods to 270 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: women as their their diet products, because that's what sells well. 271 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: And here's the thing too, We've talked a lot in 272 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: this podcast about how, oh, this is something happening on 273 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: college campuses. These young women, they're being duped into drinking 274 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: locale things. This is not just on college business, Caroline. 275 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: I can speak anecdotally in that absolutely there is this 276 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: connection in our brains. I mean, just think about the 277 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: term beer belly, about how I mean, obviously, if you 278 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: drink a lot, you are going to gain weight, because 279 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: it's the same thing is if you if I drink 280 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: a six pack of Coca Cola every day, I'll have 281 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: a coke belly and I will always smell very surplus. 282 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: It's cute. I don't know, I feel like that I 283 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: would always have burbs. But it's not the idea of 284 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: drinking on an empty stomach or like a little happy hours. 285 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: You know, if you leave work and if you stop 286 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: by a bar before you get to dinner, that can happen. 287 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: Um and things like skinny Girl margharite is. I don't 288 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: feel like it's so much marketed to younger girls on campus, 289 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: but women are age, it's not it's it's not just 290 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: a college thing, which is the only reason why I 291 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: find drunk orexia being now spun out into something that's 292 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: just a phase that college kids will go through, because 293 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: it's I feel like it's far more wide reaching than 294 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: just that. Yeah, but there there are some serious implications. 295 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean we've we've mentioned the health stuff and the 296 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: eating disorder stuff, but I mean, you have to think 297 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: about what you're doing to your body when you're not 298 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: putting actual vitamins and minerals and drinking a mimosa doesn't 299 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: count the O janet now, although I mean, I guess 300 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: it's better to drink a mimosa than like just straight 301 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: gen or something. But uh, you know, I mean we 302 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: have issues of drinking on an empty stomach, that there's 303 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: a faster absorption rate of alcohol into the bloodstream, which 304 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: leads to that higher level of impairment and intoxication, which 305 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: has some definite health implications. It could actually make you unhealthy, 306 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: but it also puts women in particular at higher risk 307 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: for sexual assault and things like d U. I yeah, 308 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: researchers often worn women, especially against things like drinking on 309 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: an empty, empty stomach just because we tend to metabolize 310 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: alcohol faster a lot of times, we have less body 311 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: fat than men do, and so our level of impairment 312 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: might be even higher. We're at a higher risk of 313 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: something like blacking out that can according to research. There 314 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: was a two thousand eleven in University of Missouri study 315 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: which highlighted this which puts us at a higher risk 316 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: for violence, for engaging in risky sexual behavior, alcohol poisoning, 317 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: and chronic disease later in life. If we're doing this 318 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: a bunch, we're beating our bodies up the inside, no 319 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: matter what our waistline is, because this puts us at 320 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: high risk of gas, stritius, ulcers, and malnutrition down the road. 321 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, sure, sometimes you know, you might not eat 322 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: a big lunch and you might go have a martini 323 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: after work, and that's gonna happen. But it's it's this 324 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: whole chronic issue, the chronic binge drinking and also motivating 325 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: yourself to do so, telling yourself it's okay to do 326 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: that if you did intentionally not eat as much during 327 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: the day, right well. Another study from the Journal of 328 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: American College Health looked at students at ten different universities, 329 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: and of more than four thousand participants, thirty nine percent 330 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: of students who drank within the past thirty days reported 331 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: restricting calories on days they planned on drinking. They looked 332 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: at the gender aspect of it of these four thousand 333 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: participants and found that women drunk or x X were 334 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: more likely to experience those negative alcohol related consequences such 335 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: as memory laws and unwanted sexual advances, whereas men who 336 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: reported this behavior were much more likely to get into 337 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: fights oh yeah, And there was anecdotally In one article 338 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: they were talking to a couple of college guys about 339 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: binge drinking on an empty stomach and the blackout aspect, 340 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: and they weren't happy about it. I mean, they still 341 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: did it. They did had no plans to stop, because 342 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I I knew guys like this. I was 343 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: in you know, social circles like this when I was 344 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: in college, where it's totally accepted and expected it On 345 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: the weekend, you're going to go. And even though so 346 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: many times it ended up with just not feeling good 347 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: about yourself, you still did it. And I guess that's 348 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: the question. It's like, we know we're doing things that 349 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: are harmful to ourselves, Why why do we continue doing it? 350 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: And even though again drunk orexia might sound like a throwaway, 351 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: buzzy term, Dr Harris Straightener, who was the vice press 352 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: and of the Care and Treatment Centers, told Glamour magazine 353 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: that he thinks it should get a nod in the 354 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: d s M, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, because he said, 355 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: quote in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 356 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: we look at different factors that influence other disorders and 357 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: I think it's time to give this trend a paragraph 358 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: in the manual. It's a definer of a particular eating disorder. 359 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: So you might think, oh, well, but you know, Monday 360 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: through Thursday, I'm eating plenty and I go to the gym. 361 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: You know, it's just Friday, Friday and Saturday. You know. 362 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: But still I feel like that's you know, it's uh, 363 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: if it's happening every weekend, every week, then it's something 364 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah. He also pointed out that this 365 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: chronic behavior, this chronic drunk corexia, can deplete your potassium 366 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: and have such an incredibly bad effect on your heart 367 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: that it could eventually lead to cardiac arrest. Yeah. I mean, 368 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: so if you're doing this constantly, even if it is 369 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: just on the weekend, I mean, if it's every weekend, ah, 370 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: that's the it's really really bad for you. And I 371 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: mean also if you're a student, or if you're just 372 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: a person who sits at a desk and looks at 373 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: a computer, I mean, it can cause a lot of 374 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: difficulty concentrating, studying and making decisions. And we're not trying 375 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: to be alarmist over this. I just think, at least 376 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: for me reading it It was a good reminder. Even 377 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 1: though I am years away from being in college, it's 378 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: still a good reminder to think about what we put 379 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: into our bodies and how how we treat ourselves. Right, yeah, 380 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: I uh, Without getting too personal, this past weekend, I 381 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: accidentally was drunk or xx. Yeah you know, I went. 382 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: I went out for for cocktails, didn't you know? Had 383 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: it had been a while since I'd eaten, had a 384 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: little too much to drink, went home and just fell asleep, 385 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: didn't eat dinner. And you know, it's like I felt 386 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: so much worse the next day than I would have 387 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: had I just done the normal pattern of like have 388 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: a good dinner, go out and have some cocktails, go home, 389 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: drink some water, and have a good night's sleep. It 390 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: was awful. It like me up for the rest of 391 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: the weekend. Oh yeah, and drinking on an empty stomach too. 392 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: It's a thing of how it hits you so much faster, 393 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: at least it does with me. It's like I'll have 394 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: a glass of wine or a cocktail and all of 395 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, there's no in between of say, oh well, 396 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: I feel a little more relaxed. It's like, oh no, 397 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: I I hope I am walking in a straight line. Yeah, 398 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: and it's just, you know, it's just not a good 399 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: thing to do to your bodies. But I want to 400 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: hear though about this because I have a feeling there 401 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: are probably people in college you're listening who know exactly 402 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: what we're talking about, and people out of college to 403 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: the whole idea of saving calories for drinking instead of eating. 404 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I guess how do we make 405 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: sense of all this? What is your experience with it? 406 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: Do you think that it's being overblown? Do you think 407 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: it's just something that you know, kids will be kids 408 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: and do what they want to do on those crazy 409 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: college campuses, or is this something that, like Dr Harris 410 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: Straightener told Glamor magazine that it needs to get more 411 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: clinical recognition. Is something that is going on. Let us 412 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: know your thoughts on drunk orexia. Mom Stuff at Discovery 413 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: dot com is where you can send your emails. You 414 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: can also message us on Facebook or tweet us at 415 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: mom Stuff podcast. And we've got a couple of letters 416 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: to read for you when we get right back from 417 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: a little break. And now back to our letters, Kristen, 418 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: I have a message here from Cody, who was struck 419 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: by something that was said in our John Rock Inventing 420 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: Birth Control episode. Cody says, I will buy and then 421 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: proudly wear a shirt that says, quote, keep coke on 422 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: ice and not in your vagina. Thank you ladies for 423 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: making my drive home pleasant despite the other incompetent drivers, 424 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: and you were so welcome. And if somebody wants to 425 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: make us that shirt, I also will wear it. I mean, 426 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: that's that's like an epitaph in the making. Two Karen 427 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: the Irvan quotes keep coke on ice and not im 428 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: your vagina. More brilliant words have never been spoken. Well, 429 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean really like for so many reasons, one of 430 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: which is just like, I mean, you want a cold 431 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: Coca cola, right right, and and so many reasons, so many. Well, 432 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: I've got one here in response to our episode on 433 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: Plan B, which I mean, I really think that President 434 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: Barack Obama must listen to stuff I've never told you. 435 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: Because the day that our episode on Plan B restrictions, 436 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: in which we advocated for the White House to remove 437 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: age restrictions from access to Plan B, Barry said, hey, 438 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: you know what, christ and Caroline said, take him away. 439 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: Let's take him away. So so that's um, that's not 440 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: what actually happens, but I like to think it is. 441 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: But this email, though, is coming from a listener who 442 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: would like to remain anonymous, and she writes, I'm a 443 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: seventeen year old who became sexually active at four teens, 444 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: and luckily I was already on birth control. While I'm 445 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: very lucky to have understanding parents in a good support networks, 446 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: some of my friends are in more difficult situations. A 447 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: lot of them did not have easy access to birth control, condoms, 448 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: and other products that keep sex safe. However, many of 449 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: them still have sex. And you are correct in saying 450 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: kids are gonna do what they're gonna do, because currently 451 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: I have two friends who use a double dose of 452 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: birth control in the morning and at night the day 453 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: after they accidentally have unsafe sex as an emergency contraceptive, 454 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: which is effective but not well regulated. It's very very 455 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: important for plan being other forms of birth control and 456 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: emergency contraceptives to be readily available for teenage girls. Teens, 457 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: even young teens, are more sexually active than adults want 458 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: to accept, and these products would not increase the amount 459 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: of sex teens have, but decrease the rate of unwanted 460 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: pregnancies and unsafe sex. I also wish that more people 461 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: would listen to the voices of those that these changes 462 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 1: would affect the most young teenage girls when talking about 463 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: this controversy over Plan B. Unfortunately, many do not value 464 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: the opinions of women and especially young girls. So thank 465 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: you for covering this topic that affects many women and 466 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: trans men. She nets so good news that those restrictions 467 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: to Plan B have been lifted, the age restrictions. So 468 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: I also like to credit the moment I shared with 469 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: Kathleen Sibelius on an airplane from Detroit to Traverse City, Michigan, 470 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: where we we shared a look that was probably it. Yeah, 471 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: she's probably like, oh my god, remember that time that 472 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: Caroline and I rolled our eyes together at that sixteen 473 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: year old who was talking loudly on our phone. I 474 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: need to make Plan B more available to that sixte 475 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: year old. Really appreciate it. 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