Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. All right, here we are. It is
Speaker 1: time for another edition of mix Shots. It's Tuesday at
Speaker 1: eleven thirty and Mickey Spagnola right on time at eleven
Speaker 1: thirty on a Tuesday morning. Everson Walls will be along shortly.
Speaker 1: I am Bill Jones and Mickey. I have spent this morning,
Speaker 1: as I have spent many mornings here in the month
Speaker 1: of April already, as we are up to April thirteenth,
Speaker 1: now two weeks and two days away from Draft day,
Speaker 1: I have then immersed inside mine. Let me get it here,
Speaker 1: let me get it here, my big green NFL draft
Speaker 1: scouting notebook. I am into this, Mickey. I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: I got a big blue one, your big blue NFL
Speaker 1: draft scouting notebook. All right, it's thick. That's what I
Speaker 1: should have a blue one. I should have a blue one.
Speaker 1: But going way back in Mickey, you and I have
Speaker 1: been of course you've been covering the Cowboys since the eighties,
Speaker 1: but we really started getting into this draft stuff. I
Speaker 1: want to say two thousand and five, when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had two first round draft picks with DeMarcus Ware and
Speaker 1: Marcus Spears. And that's basically when I started my notebook.
Speaker 1: And one year I just happened to get a green notebook.
Speaker 1: And then people would say once inside that big green
Speaker 1: notebook and so, and then I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a green notebook every year. Maybe I
Speaker 1: can get a title sponsor, I can get the At
Speaker 1: that time, I got a big green egg on the
Speaker 1: back porch, and I thought, well, maybe the big green
Speaker 1: Egg will sponsor my notebook. Well here we are fifteen
Speaker 1: years later and no sponsor. But I still got my
Speaker 1: green notebook. So you didn't get another egg. Huh. I
Speaker 1: do have the egg. I don't use it enough on
Speaker 1: the back porch, but since then I've got sunning laws
Speaker 1: who do use it for me. So but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: two weeks and two days away and I feel like
Speaker 1: I got a lot more studying to do. But I
Speaker 1: feel a lot better about my knowledge of some of
Speaker 1: the prospects than I did a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: This is a great month as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: just getting ready for this thing and learning these players. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And you know, as for out here, it's been pretty
Speaker 1: quiet over the last week. The one thing that should
Speaker 1: occur this week, I think if all goes well, at
Speaker 1: some point, Kean O'Neill will actually assign. You know, he's
Speaker 1: still agree to terms. Uh he doesn't hasn't signed his contract.
Speaker 1: He evidently had a medical deal going on with his
Speaker 1: ear and the doctors didn't want him to fly. So
Speaker 1: uh he hasn't physically come to sign, but uh, they
Speaker 1: should get that done. I was told this week and
Speaker 1: looking at the amped up rehab that Dak Prescott is
Speaker 1: doing uh, you know three about two three times a week.
Speaker 1: He has progressed. Now you know how they put those
Speaker 1: those pylons on the ground and uh the quarterbacks would
Speaker 1: you know, step up and then back in like they're
Speaker 1: dropping back and then come back forward. Uh. He's now
Speaker 1: doing that on the resistant chord and looking pretty darn good.
Speaker 1: H backpedaling, coming forward, backpedaling, coming forward. Uh, doing the
Speaker 1: different exercises Britt Brown is putting him through. So uh
Speaker 1: he's certainly moving along with his rehab. Along with his
Speaker 1: rehab buddy Lyle Collins, they seem to work out together.
Speaker 1: Uh and usually Tuesday morning, actually Monday Tuesday mornings for sure.
Speaker 1: So his progress is improving greatly. And like I said
Speaker 1: last week, Bill, uh, I had to kind of remind
Speaker 1: myself which foot was the one that he injured, because
Speaker 1: he seems to be moving that well. It's funny you're
Speaker 1: talking about dak and and being on the rehab field
Speaker 1: with the cones on the field. It reminded me of
Speaker 1: a story I heard. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say,
Speaker 1: uh what coach told me this about Nick Saban. But
Speaker 1: he's gone through so many assistant coaches at Alabama that
Speaker 1: there's you know, he's got a it's a turnstile there
Speaker 1: every year where so many so many coaches go there
Speaker 1: either to rehab their career to honestly just just working
Speaker 1: for Saban. But one coach, it was a quarterbacks coach
Speaker 1: that was there and he was doing quarterback drills whatever
Speaker 1: and Saban was observing, and uh, they got to talking afterwards,
Speaker 1: and Saban asked him, Oh, why don't you why don't
Speaker 1: you use cones with your quarterback drills. And the coach said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I just never have used cones.
Speaker 1: There's there's no reason now, you know, I can they
Speaker 1: can see, you know, they can still work on their footwork.
Speaker 1: I just don't use cones. And Saban said to him,
Speaker 1: let's use cones. So they use cones from then on.
Speaker 1: There was no no rhymeries and to it. But there's
Speaker 1: cones out there. I wonder if we have Everson Walls
Speaker 1: with us now I'm seeing still on the live stream,
Speaker 1: he looks a tad plexed. Yeah, maybe we'd haven't reached
Speaker 1: communication with him, but there help. He shaking his head.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, he's so mickey, he's studying cover two.
Speaker 1: I think, all right, your first comments about not much
Speaker 1: going on there at the Star, I think that that
Speaker 1: is an alarming comment to some that might be listening,
Speaker 1: because the draft is two weeks away, and there better
Speaker 1: be something going on there in regards to the draft
Speaker 1: at the Star here two weeks before the draft, Well,
Speaker 1: it's going it's going on on the other side of
Speaker 1: the demilitarized zone. Okay, not not yeah, not where you
Speaker 1: can see it. Not where I'm sure there's plenty. There's
Speaker 1: plenty going on in the important wing of the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco inside Ford Center, right. And my point was
Speaker 1: they haven't like signed anybody or you know, released anybody.
Speaker 1: We haven't got any news on personnel. But yeah, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're ramping up preparation for the draft, you know.
Speaker 1: And speaking of that, Bill, I was looking at the
Speaker 1: roster as it sits right now, and if we include
Speaker 1: uh Kean O'Neill when he when eventually signs, and the
Speaker 1: two guys that got restricted uh offer sheets. Uh, they've
Speaker 1: got seventy three guys under contract right now, and they
Speaker 1: still don't know if it's going to be an eighty
Speaker 1: man roster or a ninety man roster like they expanded
Speaker 1: last year, uh to help teams get through the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Uh So, with seventy three guys already signed and ten
Speaker 1: draft choices, uh, if it's an eighty man roster, then
Speaker 1: you know, I don't, let's put it this way. I
Speaker 1: don't see them right uh so that they're pointing towards
Speaker 1: ninety at this point, right. Uh, And we'll see where
Speaker 1: that goes. But I don't see them using all ten
Speaker 1: draft choices, and you know that, which means that I
Speaker 1: think in their minds, if they want to they've got
Speaker 1: enough draft choice power to move around in this draft,
Speaker 1: if they want to move up to take a player
Speaker 1: or two obviously, if they want to move back and
Speaker 1: pick up more picks, or maybe pick up picks for
Speaker 1: next year, and not. When I say back, I don't mean,
Speaker 1: you know, more than three to five spots and still
Speaker 1: get what they want. So I think that trade there
Speaker 1: are probably some trade wins brewing, and not before the draft,
Speaker 1: but during the draft, Like in that first round, if
Speaker 1: you got somebody you just gotta have and you want
Speaker 1: to move up two spots, they probably got enough to
Speaker 1: do that. And especially in the second round. If you
Speaker 1: look at the second day bill, they've got three picks
Speaker 1: in the second round forty four, seventy five, and ninety nine.
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys have four picks in the top ninety
Speaker 1: nine picks, and that's pretty good draft collateral heading into
Speaker 1: their draft, you know, and you think about it, how
Speaker 1: about especially when you look at the fact that there
Speaker 1: could be five quarterbacks taking ahead of them in the draft,
Speaker 1: and then you've got these receivers and so you could
Speaker 1: have the pick of four or five defensive players that
Speaker 1: you like, not to mention, maybe an offensive tackle, and
Speaker 1: I also will include Kyle Pitts. The tight end is
Speaker 1: one of those that I'm going to assume is going
Speaker 1: to be picked. If he's a future Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: tied end, he's not going to make it all the
Speaker 1: way to number ten in this draft, So that that
Speaker 1: just clears the board for them where they can have
Speaker 1: almost the pick of the letter as far as the
Speaker 1: defensive board goes. And there's there may be a guy
Speaker 1: that they really you know, you know, if they've got
Speaker 1: them rank sort of the same, there may be a
Speaker 1: guy that they like the better that you know they're intelligence.
Speaker 1: This is telling them that other teams, you know you
Speaker 1: can might be able to get them at fifteen instead
Speaker 1: of ten. And so you can pick up an extra pick,
Speaker 1: maybe in the third round, slide down five spots, and
Speaker 1: then you take your forty fourth pick, and there's another
Speaker 1: guy lately even late in the first round, where you
Speaker 1: now have some ammunition where you can really move up
Speaker 1: and get another guy that you really like, either late
Speaker 1: first round or early second round. On the second day
Speaker 1: of the draft. Yeah, they're almost with that tenth pick
Speaker 1: in a perfect spots, as you mentioned, five quarterbacks, potentially
Speaker 1: two wide receivers that's seven. There's been talk of two
Speaker 1: offensive linemen that's nine. You mentioned pits, that's ten. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they should have their choice of defensive guys if that's
Speaker 1: the way they want to go, to take the best
Speaker 1: defensive player that's on the board at that point. If
Speaker 1: the draft goes the way we suspect, and I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk right now of you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the draft starts at number four Atlanta. Are they
Speaker 1: going to take a quarterback or are they going to
Speaker 1: trade out of that for somebody that wants a quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, they've got Matt Ryan for two more years.
Speaker 1: Do they want a young guy to groom behind him
Speaker 1: for a couple more years or would they just trade
Speaker 1: out of there and get something for their trouble. So
Speaker 1: I think that spot will kind of start this draft
Speaker 1: going on what happens with the quarterbacks in the in
Speaker 1: the top five. But like you said, Bill, you know,
Speaker 1: they get to number ten and if they're still there,
Speaker 1: whatever cornerback they want, whatever linebacker they want, if they
Speaker 1: got a defensive lineman that they like, but they want
Speaker 1: to move back. I think they've got a lot of
Speaker 1: variables there that they can take advantage of, at least
Speaker 1: at this point, as you said, with two weeks and
Speaker 1: two days to go before the draft, you know. And
Speaker 1: the other thing is, you know, we're sitting here this
Speaker 1: cottage industry, as Parcels put it, back in the day
Speaker 1: of the of all the mock drafts and all this
Speaker 1: lead up to the draft, we really don't know for
Speaker 1: sure what's going to happen, obviously, and it's like it
Speaker 1: almost becomes a thing where, all right, there's these popular
Speaker 1: mock drafts out there, and people are afraid to go
Speaker 1: against the grain, and because they that are even the
Speaker 1: analyst on it, because well maybe I'm they think, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm crazy. Why do I think this guy is
Speaker 1: going to be there? Well, these NFL scouts and teams,
Speaker 1: they've studied these players a whole lot more than anyone
Speaker 1: on the outside, and so we really don't know. And
Speaker 1: we also don't know how they feel about their teams.
Speaker 1: For instance, in Atlanta at number four, Okay, let's say
Speaker 1: that they kind of like justin Field, so they kind
Speaker 1: of like Trey Lance, but they aren't sure about it.
Speaker 1: They have to make a decision as far as their
Speaker 1: team goes. How close are they to getting back to
Speaker 1: contending again with Matt Ryan as their quarterback or do
Speaker 1: they quote unquote waste that pick on a guy that
Speaker 1: they're that's going to be playing behind, like a Justin
Speaker 1: Fields or a Trey Lance, especially Trey Lance. Well either
Speaker 1: one of them aren't necessarily ready to come right in
Speaker 1: right now, but they play behind Matt Ryan for a
Speaker 1: year or two, Well, you haven't improved your immediate football
Speaker 1: team at that point. So Atlanta's got to make that decision,
Speaker 1: all right, Do I take that future quarterback you know,
Speaker 1: I've got Matt Ryan here for another year or two,
Speaker 1: or do I really improve my team right now? And
Speaker 1: get that tied in that everyone says going to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Kyle Pitts and we're making a move
Speaker 1: now and worry about the quarterback later. Yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And you know, and especially Trey Lance, right he's basically
Speaker 1: played one season and so he's probably not ready to
Speaker 1: step in somewhere and take over for level Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: So um that that that's gonna be an interesting spot.
Speaker 1: Do you think we have Everson now? You do look yes,
Speaker 1: all rightness, I want to follow a complaint. Man, Who's
Speaker 1: who runs this show? Who runs this? This? This Pennyanni show? Here?
Speaker 1: What's going on? I'm sorry, Chris, I'm sorry, Chris. How
Speaker 1: you doing? Body? Nice to see it ever since? It's
Speaker 1: great we were we were seeing you earlier. It's great
Speaker 1: to hear you now. Oh good. I hope I hope
Speaker 1: you didn't. I hope you didn't see my finger. I
Speaker 1: had a finger, you know. No, that's when they see that.
Speaker 1: We saw your face and it was a lot of consternation.
Speaker 1: Looks you were studying that you were you look like
Speaker 1: a rookie studying that flex DF. That's where it was
Speaker 1: like that. I looked on the sideline. Could you? I
Speaker 1: looked on the sideline after after every series, you know, like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is this flex defense all about? It's
Speaker 1: not working? It doesn't work. So could you at least
Speaker 1: could you at least hear us? Could you hear what
Speaker 1: we were talking about? How you could not hear you? Okay?
Speaker 1: Is that a good thing. We weren't talking about you.
Speaker 1: We were talking about the draft, the possibilities of what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can do, and the way everything seems to
Speaker 1: be shaking down with those first nine picks. Uh. And
Speaker 1: the you know they were talking about the tight end, right,
Speaker 1: talking about us going for a tight end. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, Florida. You know, everybody's enamored with him.
Speaker 1: So the fact that, uh, evidently if Jerry said he's
Speaker 1: intrigued by the tight end, well yeah, he's intrigued. He
Speaker 1: should be intrigued. Everybody's intrigued by him. And that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're taking him right. Uh, the he is. You
Speaker 1: have to admit though, he is that special tight end
Speaker 1: that that doesn't come along, you know, but once in
Speaker 1: a while you can tell, not just by his build
Speaker 1: and his talent, but it's his determination, his confidence, you know,
Speaker 1: his determination as I spoke of something that was has
Speaker 1: been evident throughout his entire the entire year last year,
Speaker 1: and he caught my eye, I must admit. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's somebody you want to take a look at. But
Speaker 1: here we are sitting on Jarwin, who I'm hoping comes back.
Speaker 1: You know, he was one of my favorite tight ends
Speaker 1: in the league when he was healthy. These facts, so
Speaker 1: I don't know what is the progress on. I believe
Speaker 1: it was the ACL injury that he had. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: let's put it this way. If you're intrigued at number ten,
Speaker 1: somebody between one and nine should be equally intrigued. Right,
Speaker 1: If the guy is as good as advertised, and all
Speaker 1: I gotta say is tight end play didn't keep this
Speaker 1: team from finishing five hundred, All right, Yeah, what what
Speaker 1: you're looking at? Obviously we have to go with defense. Uh.
Speaker 1: The guy Pitts, I believe that's his name, right, Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: and his names now Kyle Pitts. He can make you
Speaker 1: change your mind. You know. That's the thing about that
Speaker 1: kind of generational talent. That's the way I see it
Speaker 1: as a generational talent. He will make you change your mind.
Speaker 1: You know, you're thinking like, Okay, we're set, guys, you know,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Oh, we're not going to be distracted.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, here this guy comes and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, man, if I could just get that guy,
Speaker 1: if he's available, what would this do for my team?
Speaker 1: And then we think, as you said, Spags, we've got
Speaker 1: we've got offensive talent. That's nothing that we're not short
Speaker 1: on offensive talent at all. We have to stick to
Speaker 1: the game plan. We have to go for what we
Speaker 1: go defensively. But if we're gonna go defensively, it better
Speaker 1: be that pick. You know, we're not gonna come up
Speaker 1: with some you know guy that you never heard of. Oh, guys,
Speaker 1: this was a surprise pick by us, and you know,
Speaker 1: we think it's gonna work. Now, we don't need any
Speaker 1: of those experiments. We're already experimenting because they're rookies, but
Speaker 1: we need someone that's gonna come in ready to play.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna pass up a Kyle Pitts. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's why that that that tenth pick is pretty valuable
Speaker 1: real estate in this draft because if there's a team
Speaker 1: that still sees a quarterback available and they want to
Speaker 1: move up, who knows how much they give you for
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And the same thing with Pitts. If he's
Speaker 1: as good as advertised, you know, somebody around twelve thirteen
Speaker 1: might say, oh, I gotta have that guy. Uh. It
Speaker 1: might give you a buttload and you might have, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, two or three guys that you say, Okay,
Speaker 1: either one of those guys I can live with. And
Speaker 1: it's not just corners, it's the linebackers. As Bill and
Speaker 1: I talked about last week and Bill linebackers, you guys
Speaker 1: on linebackers, Yeah, and build it. Don't you think into
Speaker 1: a couple of them too? By the way, well, don't
Speaker 1: you think that they're at number ten or going into
Speaker 1: the draft. They're going to expect that certain players are
Speaker 1: going to be there at ten and there is going
Speaker 1: to be one player that they've graded higher who stands
Speaker 1: out above the rest and that grouping of say four
Speaker 1: or five players who are possibilities at number ten, and
Speaker 1: if that guy is there, they got to take that game.
Speaker 1: You can't, don't you You can't risk moving back a
Speaker 1: couple of spots and then not get the guy that
Speaker 1: you want. I think the way that you move down
Speaker 1: is if that guy is already taken and then you've
Speaker 1: got another handful that you like, but you're not you know,
Speaker 1: there there he's not the one A on your list, Um,
Speaker 1: and it's still here's the other linebacker, Bill that you
Speaker 1: were that you were. Well, there's a couple of the
Speaker 1: three that I like. Well, you got Michael Parsons from
Speaker 1: Penn State who everyone's talking about, and then you know
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Woosu Coromoa from Notre Dame is a guy that's
Speaker 1: really very good, Bill, Because I thought he was saying
Speaker 1: like three or four names. That's I didn't and so
Speaker 1: there were three names for you right there, Jeremiah Osu
Speaker 1: Coamoa and then Notre Dame. Notre Dame. Yeah, and he's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, in contrast to Parsons, uh A Woosu Corromoa.
Speaker 1: He was his safety. You know. Parsons in high school
Speaker 1: was a defensive line. He was like an edge rusher.
Speaker 1: So he came from the front four and moved to
Speaker 1: the linebacker spot in college. Okay, Oh, Woosu came from
Speaker 1: the back end and became a lineback linebacker. He is
Speaker 1: more one of those hybrid type guys. Only you know,
Speaker 1: he's a smaller guy two hundred and twenty pounds, but
Speaker 1: he's and it's what the league is going to right
Speaker 1: There are time games where you're watching Notre Dame tape
Speaker 1: and you're wondering, War's number six, where's he lining up? Well,
Speaker 1: he's out on the slot, that's out on the perimeter,
Speaker 1: and then he comes into the action. Uh as a
Speaker 1: play unfolds. But you take a look at him, he
Speaker 1: you'll really like his athleticism. He's delivered some of the
Speaker 1: hardest hits that I've seen on tape from any of
Speaker 1: these draft prospects. And he's he's got all the intangibles too.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is just a complete person as well
Speaker 1: as a complete player. Now, Jimmy. The third guy is
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins from Tulsa, and uh, he's a guy now
Speaker 1: Ooosa Cormoo won the Bukas Award last year at Notre
Speaker 1: Dame's the top linebacker in the country. Every other defensive
Speaker 1: award in the country was won by Zaven Collins of Tulsa.
Speaker 1: This guy, Everson Wow, this guy. This guy played middle
Speaker 1: linebacker and he was all over the field. He also
Speaker 1: was an edge rusher at times. UM he and he
Speaker 1: had four interceptions last year in eight games UM, including
Speaker 1: one that clinched the biggest game of the year for me.
Speaker 1: Ran ninety five yards for a touchdown. He is six five,
Speaker 1: but get this, he is six five, two hundred sixty
Speaker 1: pounds and runs four six Yeah. Oh my goodness, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so he you know, and what was once
Speaker 1: van direction? What happens to small linebackers? Bill? You just exactly,
Speaker 1: I mean, you got so here, you got three different
Speaker 1: linebackers that are all different. Okay, and you know Parsons
Speaker 1: is a bigger Parsons is two forty five, yes he is,
Speaker 1: I remember, but he runs a four to four. Now
Speaker 1: some of these forty times ever since, as you know,
Speaker 1: since they didn't have a combine, they're done at Pro
Speaker 1: days and they're they're all over the lot. But you know,
Speaker 1: a four four still a four. You know it's time
Speaker 1: at four three six. So even if you took no, no,
Speaker 1: even if you took you know, five, it's off. You know,
Speaker 1: it's taking a four four six. And that's why you
Speaker 1: know what I saw. I say we take a linebacker.
Speaker 1: I say we take a linebacker. Let's just let's just
Speaker 1: stop right there. We're taking a linebacker, you know. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Ever sing on Zavian Collins, you know,
Speaker 1: the so called draft experts, they're saying, ah, he's a
Speaker 1: mid late first round guy. So what the Cowboys took
Speaker 1: him at number ten, they'd be criticized all over the
Speaker 1: lot that, oh they reached on it and they took
Speaker 1: him too soon. Well nobody knows that. You know, the
Speaker 1: giants picking right behind them might love them just as much,
Speaker 1: and they might take them. You don't know giants and
Speaker 1: known for taking good linebackers. I mean, yeah, lt Aside,
Speaker 1: you have a cast and you got arms, Jesse Armstead,
Speaker 1: I mean you got a whole list of of a
Speaker 1: history of giants taking good linebackers. You know, the thing
Speaker 1: that distinguishes all three of these guys is their their instincts.
Speaker 1: They see what's happening before it happens. Uh. They're not right,
Speaker 1: They're not late leading reading things. You know. I saw
Speaker 1: an interview with Jim Morra Junior about uh Coamoa and
Speaker 1: the last thing he said was the team that passes
Speaker 1: on him will regret it, and so uh he he
Speaker 1: thinks he thinks this guy is that. He also said
Speaker 1: he's as dynamic a defensive player in the draft as
Speaker 1: there is what I see as a superstar uh in
Speaker 1: the in today's NFL. So he really likes that guy too.
Speaker 1: He kind of according to what you're saying about him,
Speaker 1: and being that that guy that catches all and does all.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds you of a Chase Young pick
Speaker 1: a little bit coming out of Ohio State last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did a great job, of course with Washington football team.
Speaker 1: He's this uh Coamoa seems like he could be that
Speaker 1: kind of game changer defensively for the Cowboys. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, and he's he's got you know, you could
Speaker 1: play him. He's six one and a half two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty one pounds, so you could actually play him
Speaker 1: at safety. And I mean, he's got that kind of
Speaker 1: athleticism where he could he could play safety. And then
Speaker 1: in your nickel, he's in your sub packages as a linebacker. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he just makes so many plays. And Mickey,
Speaker 1: you're talking about his eye. All these linebackers their eyes
Speaker 1: and being able to read the play. There is one
Speaker 1: phenomenal play that Jeremiah Usakomoa made last year where it
Speaker 1: was against Clemson in fact, where quarterback is pitching the
Speaker 1: ball to Travis Etien, the their running back. Koramoa snips
Speaker 1: it out from the secondary. He sees the play. He
Speaker 1: basically gets to the ball as soon as it got
Speaker 1: to the running back. He stripped it away from him
Speaker 1: and ran and got it and ran in forty yards
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. Just a phenomenal play. On the play,
Speaker 1: you can see his eyes where he sees the quarterback,
Speaker 1: he sees the play. He had enough athleticism and speed
Speaker 1: to get to the pitch before it got to at
Speaker 1: the end and away he goes scores a touchdown, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know what, that's also an indication that the
Speaker 1: guy studies, that he had he had seen something that
Speaker 1: that you know, said okay, this is what's getting ready
Speaker 1: to happen. I'm going And uh, you can't have enough
Speaker 1: of those guys. So you know, when you when you
Speaker 1: look at them, when you look at the linebacker spot,
Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, you know, I've got a roster
Speaker 1: here and here's the linebackers for the Cowboys, Jaylen Smith,
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderish, Francis Bernard, Luke Gifford, and Azur Kamara. That's it.
Speaker 1: So linebacker fits in just as well as a corner.
Speaker 1: And you know, I started looking at corners, and you know,
Speaker 1: there was five corners in one one person's top one
Speaker 1: hundred in in the top forty two picks, five of
Speaker 1: them and the fifty one was a Sante Samuel Junior
Speaker 1: at forty two. So again, there could be a really
Speaker 1: good quarterback cornerback when the Cowboys get to forty four.
Speaker 1: And with the draft, uh, you know, choices they have,
Speaker 1: they can move up probably to the low thirties or
Speaker 1: to the you know, forty four, thirty eight, thirty six. Uh,
Speaker 1: and get the corner if they then back, they got
Speaker 1: a seten. They have a seten, and they also have
Speaker 1: an Asante Samuel's junior. Yea. And they got Joe Horns kid, Jason.
Speaker 1: I did not know about j This is my first
Speaker 1: time hearing about now and Joe Horns got Let's talk
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Speaker 1: the linebackers, and we all liked the idea of some
Speaker 1: of these linebackers because of that talent at the linebacker
Speaker 1: position in this draft. But we've got a pretty good
Speaker 1: cornerback back here, Mickey that uh, I want to pick
Speaker 1: Everson's brain here on the importance. And we touched on
Speaker 1: three cornerbacks who are sons of NFL players, Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: type players too, and and Everson. Those those three guys,
Speaker 1: Patrick Certen the second from Alabama, who is the son
Speaker 1: of Patrick in fact, he played for his dad in
Speaker 1: high school, American Heritage Academy and Fort Lauderdale. He was
Speaker 1: the head coach there, and you know, and so certain
Speaker 1: he's been He's been groomed to be a NFL cornerback
Speaker 1: ever since he was born, basically h And then you
Speaker 1: got J. C. Horne at South Carolina, who is the
Speaker 1: son of former four time Pro Bowl wide receiver Joe Horn,
Speaker 1: and he played receiver growing up. Imagine that because his
Speaker 1: dad was an NFL receiver and then converted to cornerback,
Speaker 1: and so he has not been groomed to be a
Speaker 1: cornerback all his life. He's certainly been groomed to be
Speaker 1: an NFL player. And then Mickey Mincha de Sante Samuel Junior,
Speaker 1: who is projected probably a second rounder, could sneak into
Speaker 1: the late first round. Different type cornerback than those other
Speaker 1: two because the other two are basically six one two
Speaker 1: hundred five pounds and Samuel's more in the five ten,
Speaker 1: five eleven range. But those are three guys. But and
Speaker 1: of course the ones that the Cowboys will be considering
Speaker 1: at number ten or so ten and Horn and then
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley, a guy that had back surgery, is probably
Speaker 1: going to now be a late first round guy. It'd
Speaker 1: be a tough call. When you have got those other
Speaker 1: cornerbacks available, especially to pick with the tenth pick in
Speaker 1: the draft, take a guy who's had recent back surgery
Speaker 1: and actually has had a couple here. So, but how
Speaker 1: important do you think it is to take a cornerback
Speaker 1: that early in the draft? Well, you know, when it
Speaker 1: comes down to the NFL, I could say one thing,
Speaker 1: but the film is always looking in another direction. You
Speaker 1: got no more running backs being taken in the first round.
Speaker 1: Everything is predicated on a quarterback and offensive talent, and
Speaker 1: it seems like the running back position is kind of suffering.
Speaker 1: So if you ask me, everything is turned on his
Speaker 1: head to be considering a cornerback before a running back
Speaker 1: in the first round of the NFL. Spass can tell
Speaker 1: you that's something that ten years ago, fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: never would have even been considered. You had your exceptions,
Speaker 1: of course, like the Sean Springs. You had Charles Woodson
Speaker 1: that came in and they were they were studs. But
Speaker 1: for the most part, the running back position was always
Speaker 1: that position. Now Here we are ten fifteen years later,
Speaker 1: no one's looking at running backs. Everybody's looking at quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and now cornerbacks. All of a sudden, they're this premium position.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys them sales went for that. Of course,
Speaker 1: last year, a year ago, we start getting the guy
Speaker 1: from Alabama. That's one thing, Trey Von Diggs, and you know,
Speaker 1: I still the verdict is still out of course on him.
Speaker 1: I don't know when you're talking about the choice between
Speaker 1: linebackers and defensive backs, I can't believe I'm saying this,
Speaker 1: but that linebacker position, that linebacker position is just so
Speaker 1: much more dynamic and important for the Cowboys defense. I
Speaker 1: think if you just get some pressure, you get some
Speaker 1: guys that are making plays in the not just secondary
Speaker 1: position or up front. When you have a linebacker that
Speaker 1: can control so much and impact the game so much
Speaker 1: from that position of the defense, I think that's something
Speaker 1: that can help out any cornerback. You don't have to
Speaker 1: be a stud cornerback to get, you know, to operate
Speaker 1: under pressure. And if that lineback or the defensive lineman
Speaker 1: can give me some pressure, then I would I definitely
Speaker 1: would prioritize those positions over the cornerback position because if
Speaker 1: you just get back there with Trey Bon Digs, this
Speaker 1: guy can make some plays if you just give him
Speaker 1: some pressure. We never had that luxury for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: while he's been here. So I'm looking forward to hopefully
Speaker 1: we're looking at a linebacker position to make that move.
Speaker 1: But if we were going to do this, you know,
Speaker 1: is Patrick certain going to even be around and pick
Speaker 1: number ten? You know, that's just how important people are
Speaker 1: looking at the cornerback position now, especially when Winfield were
Speaker 1: making all those plays in the Super Bowl spags. You know,
Speaker 1: that influences a lot of other gems and head coaches
Speaker 1: to say, hey, maybe we could look at a young
Speaker 1: defensive back that can make a an immediate impact on
Speaker 1: the defense. Yeah, there's this assumption that he's going to
Speaker 1: be there for the Cowboys. I've seen some drafts where
Speaker 1: Denver takes him at number nine. Then you're gonna say, okay,
Speaker 1: do I take the next best cornerback on my board
Speaker 1: or do I go linebacker? And look, what was the
Speaker 1: biggest problem this defense had last year? They couldn't stop
Speaker 1: the run. Couldn't stop the run? Right, I just had
Speaker 1: to remind myself. I just looked it up. They gave
Speaker 1: up two thousand, five hundred and forty one yards rushing
Speaker 1: and twenty rushing touchdowns. Teams average five yards a carry
Speaker 1: against this team five yards a carry. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play. You think about that before you go on. Fact,
Speaker 1: I just gotta think you had commentators. It was so bad.
Speaker 1: Commentators was saying, why are apponent's throwing the ball? Yes
Speaker 1: against the Yeah, exactly, that's crazy. That's a half of
Speaker 1: first down every time they touched the ball on average,
Speaker 1: half a first down. Uh. If you can't stop the run,
Speaker 1: you don't earn the right to rush the quarterback because
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna throw it. So to me, you just
Speaker 1: can't assume that the cornerback's gonna solve what they have. Now, again,
Speaker 1: there might be linebackers, like I pointed out with the
Speaker 1: corners that in the second round you can get a
Speaker 1: good guy that can step in. But they need another
Speaker 1: starting quality linebacker on this team. You know, if if
Speaker 1: worst came to worst, I can I can start tomorrow
Speaker 1: with Treyvon Diggs, Anthony Brown, and Jordan Lewis as my
Speaker 1: top three corners. All right, now, I'm in trouble if
Speaker 1: one of them gets hurt. Uh, and and so but
Speaker 1: at linebacker, Jalen Smith, Layton Vanderish and as I said
Speaker 1: last week, and what because it doesn't work, that's very
Speaker 1: good and what. And so you know that that linebackers
Speaker 1: spot when you can't stop the run, and they and
Speaker 1: I'll blame some of it on alignment, some of it
Speaker 1: on scheme, but they need another guy up there for sure.
Speaker 1: So either first or second round, I got to see
Speaker 1: a linebacker on this team. And when you look at
Speaker 1: at the picks, though, okay, if you're number ten, all
Speaker 1: of these promising players that you guys have mentioned, whether
Speaker 1: it was last week or today, I can't see all
Speaker 1: of them being gone. And we're just talking defensively. We're
Speaker 1: just talking defensive players that are could be uh, you know,
Speaker 1: in the top ten by the time we get there.
Speaker 1: They can't all be gone. I look forward to us
Speaker 1: really filling up a spot, an important spot doing the
Speaker 1: draft with one of these guys that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: They're not all gonna be gone. And especially when you're
Speaker 1: looking at teams that are looking at offense in the
Speaker 1: top ten as well, so we'll see. Oh yeah. The
Speaker 1: other thing ever since, is it's possible that all of
Speaker 1: the defensive players will be there for the Cowboys too,
Speaker 1: because when you're talking about the speculation is that five
Speaker 1: quarterbacks might be taken in the top seven picks or so,
Speaker 1: and then you got someone will be there for us,
Speaker 1: someone that we need will be there. Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: But you might have the pick of the litter. You
Speaker 1: might have the whole thing there for you. Just pick.
Speaker 1: As far as defensive players go, all right, let me
Speaker 1: ask you about offensive lineman. Obviously, the Cowboys had issues
Speaker 1: last year with injuries in their offensive line, both tackle spots,
Speaker 1: with Tyrn Smith playing only two games and Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: missing the whole season. What about an offensive tackle? There
Speaker 1: are two guys that have been mentioned Penna School as
Speaker 1: well as Rashaun Slater as guys that could be in
Speaker 1: the mix at number ten. What would you think of
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle? I would think of an offensive tackle
Speaker 1: late in the second round or in the third round,
Speaker 1: a guy that could is maybe not ready to start immediately,
Speaker 1: but has starting capabilities in his future and can step
Speaker 1: up and be my backup swing tackle. And I think
Speaker 1: there's guys in this draft that you know that kind
Speaker 1: of fit that description that you don't have to have
Speaker 1: the top guy in the draft. Maybe you get the
Speaker 1: third or fourth or fifth best offensive tackle. You know,
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple names that kind of intrigued me
Speaker 1: as I look in my big blue notebook. Here, there's
Speaker 1: a guy Tevin Jenkins at Oklahoma State. He's six five,
Speaker 1: three seventeen and he bench pressed get this, he bench
Speaker 1: pressed two twenty five and I thought it was a
Speaker 1: miss print thirty six times? How does that happen? Can't
Speaker 1: do that? That's Larry a status, right, that's Larry Allen's
Speaker 1: territory right there, you know. And then there's a couple
Speaker 1: other guys that are guards that could play tackle. Uh
Speaker 1: that that might be intriguing. Uh so yeah, but again
Speaker 1: to me, you want that guy, uh maybe third round,
Speaker 1: but they need they do need a young offensive offensive
Speaker 1: tackle because I don't know, and we'll see how they, um,
Speaker 1: you know what they think of the guys that took
Speaker 1: over uh last year? You know, do they like Brandon Knight? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, is Terrence Steele? Uh? You know? Do they
Speaker 1: think they can sink their teeth into these guys as
Speaker 1: as grooming them? Or do you need a young guy
Speaker 1: uh to come along and help out you know when
Speaker 1: you're talking about uh, my goodness, lifting two twenty five
Speaker 1: for thirty thirty plus times that is ridiculous, but used
Speaker 1: to comparing him to people like Larry Allen like I
Speaker 1: just did, and that's kind of dangerous. So I was
Speaker 1: I almost wanted to just just take that back because
Speaker 1: Larry Allen wasn't just strong. Larry Allen was an athlete.
Speaker 1: I don't know how athletic this guy from Oklahoma State is,
Speaker 1: but that is promising when you're talking about lifting that
Speaker 1: many times. Hopefully he would have the account of ability
Speaker 1: that Larry Allen had. And let's look at the importance
Speaker 1: in regard to the Cowboys and getting an offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've thought of this. Facts. You've got a
Speaker 1: quarterback who was extremely vulnerable right now, you know, and
Speaker 1: we just paid him all of this franchise cash. So
Speaker 1: should we change our priorities in the draft and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, we do need defense? Like you said, Bill,
Speaker 1: we might have, but man, we just paid Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: We just brought the entire bank to him, and now
Speaker 1: we're not considering protecting him. When you're talking about two
Speaker 1: offensive tackles that we've had who have been long standing
Speaker 1: experts and professionals at their job, but now they're looking
Speaker 1: a little vulnerable. Okay, so do we consider protecting our
Speaker 1: quarterback first? Because yes, we need defense, Yes we need that,
Speaker 1: but we need our quarterback who we just paid a
Speaker 1: boatload of money. So do you consider your priorities to
Speaker 1: change in regards to offense Vesion's defense? Because right now
Speaker 1: when I talking about a tight end, now we're talking
Speaker 1: about protection for your number one quarterback, you know Tyrone.
Speaker 1: Of course what we're looking for him to come back,
Speaker 1: but man, he's been having some issues lately. When you're
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about a big man like that,
Speaker 1: trying to solve some of these problems over the off season.
Speaker 1: For the last few off seasons has been a real problem.
Speaker 1: So do we roll the dice and say we got
Speaker 1: to prot a debt over the defensive responsibilities? Do we
Speaker 1: go with a guy that's gonna protect debt? Well, here's
Speaker 1: the way boys would compromise themselves. Here's the way I
Speaker 1: look at that. They extended the contracts of Tyrann Smith
Speaker 1: and Lale Collins. They restructured him to save cap space.
Speaker 1: If they had any any worry about those guys near future,
Speaker 1: meaning this year, they wouldn't have done that. Yes, so
Speaker 1: from a medical standpoint, they must have a very good
Speaker 1: feel for where those guys are. And I can tell
Speaker 1: you watching Lale Collins do his rehab with Dak, he's
Speaker 1: doing some of the same things Dak is doing, and
Speaker 1: he's doing them awfully well. He's running really well. Now
Speaker 1: there's a difference between running and rehabbing and then trying
Speaker 1: to block a two hundred and ninety pound, you know,
Speaker 1: defensive end. But he seems to be working well, so
Speaker 1: to me, if they had any worry whatsoever, then they
Speaker 1: would make that move at number ten. But I think
Speaker 1: they feel like these guys are good. So to me,
Speaker 1: you go back into maybe the second day and you
Speaker 1: find yourself maybe a tackle or a guard that can
Speaker 1: play tackle. You know, I saw this. I was reading
Speaker 1: up on a guy from Michigan, Jalen Mayfield six two
Speaker 1: six five three twenty six, and it says that he
Speaker 1: could survive at tackle but probably will end up at guard.
Speaker 1: But if I can have a guy survive at tackle
Speaker 1: and be able to be my swing guy as a rookie,
Speaker 1: I'd have to look at that, especially on the second day. Well.
Speaker 1: And the reason they say that about Jalen Mayfield is
Speaker 1: because of his arm length. It's just thirty two and
Speaker 1: a half at arms, and that's one of you know.
Speaker 1: Ray Shawn Slater is a guy from Northwestern. You talk
Speaker 1: about Tevin Jenkins with thirty four bench reps, Slater had
Speaker 1: thirty three bench reps. He ran a four eight eight
Speaker 1: at three hundred and four pounds with a ten yards
Speaker 1: split on one sixty eight. His numbers are off the charts,
Speaker 1: very athletic. But there's one negative. His arms aren't aren't
Speaker 1: thirty six inches long like Tyrn Smiths are. He's three
Speaker 1: inches shorter at thirty three inches, and that's he's little
Speaker 1: t Rex. There you go. Is the same way you
Speaker 1: know if you're taken, if you're taken, I think if
Speaker 1: you're taking an offensive tackle at number ten, you need
Speaker 1: to have the same the same parameters on that that
Speaker 1: you had when you took Tyrant Smith at number nine
Speaker 1: nine years ago, however long ago it was ten years ago.
Speaker 1: And that is that this guy is gonna be holding down.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be Tyrn Smith's replacement at left tackle for years.
Speaker 1: To forget about right tackle, because you can get a
Speaker 1: right tackle the second round, but for a left tackle,
Speaker 1: you got to know that this guy is going to
Speaker 1: be Tyrn Smith's replacement whenever Tyran decides to retire, and
Speaker 1: in the meantime he can play guard. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that Slater is going to be a left tackle
Speaker 1: in this league. He may be a right tackle in
Speaker 1: this league. Yeah, he has to That guy has to
Speaker 1: be a left tackle. Bill. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: And I know Tyran's had some injuries. His biggest problem
Speaker 1: has been the next thing. Right, Well, they took care
Speaker 1: of that, so you hope that that all worked. But
Speaker 1: I'll take Tyrn Smith for thirteen of seventeen games before
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Speaker 1: two days away from the NFL Draft, and Mickey, we
Speaker 1: are what six days away from the Cowboys players being
Speaker 1: back at the Star for the start of the official
Speaker 1: start of the offseason, right, yeah, absolutely. I think it
Speaker 1: was the nineteenth uh there there, and we're not sure
Speaker 1: how it's going to open. Uh, if it's going to
Speaker 1: be oh, that's right, that's the other part of it.
Speaker 1: It could be virtual. It could back on that, it
Speaker 1: could be virtual, that's right. Yes, So that's why This
Speaker 1: is like they're not going to be back at the
Speaker 1: Star until right before training camp is a matter. You
Speaker 1: must have both of your doses already. Bill, you ready
Speaker 1: to go? Man, Slow you roll, Buddy, slow you brow.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I've got mine. I've got mine, But
Speaker 1: I don't know if I trust everybody else. So I
Speaker 1: just I'm just hanging in there. Hey, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you one mix shot before we move on. I was
Speaker 1: trying to see the last time the Cowboys would have
Speaker 1: taken a player at number ten, Right, It never happened.
Speaker 1: They've had nine, They've had eleven twice, but never ten.
Speaker 1: Wow about that? All right? It was Michael Urvan number eleven.
Speaker 1: He was where eleven? Where? And Michael Irvin were eleven
Speaker 1: and Tyron Smith was nine. You know what they need
Speaker 1: to do. They need to either trade up to number
Speaker 1: nine and take a Tyron Smith because nine eleven wearing
Speaker 1: Michael Vin, all three of those, Uh, if they know you,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about something else, Bat and saying, now,
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. Now if they pick a nine or eleven,
Speaker 1: they're getting the Hall of Famer number ten. Jury's out,
Speaker 1: all right. Everson was not with us last week, and Everson,
Speaker 1: if you can fill us in on where you were
Speaker 1: last week, and let's pay tribute. Let's pay tribute to
Speaker 1: coach Ernest Sterling and as he has known in this
Speaker 1: household as Uncle Ernest. This was Cherrell's only uncle. That
Speaker 1: it's her mother's baby brother. Believe it or not. Her
Speaker 1: mother is five four he's six feet. He was six
Speaker 1: feet seven inches tall. And they called him the big cat.
Speaker 1: And I told people all the time, I call him
Speaker 1: big Monster because he scared the living the hell out
Speaker 1: of me, you know, But I have to give him
Speaker 1: love because when I was looking for a place to
Speaker 1: go to college and get further my education. Now, I
Speaker 1: guess people know the story. My wife at the time,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, she knew what she was going. So, hey,
Speaker 1: young fellow, if you want to come, fine, If not,
Speaker 1: I'm moving on and I'm gonna make something to myself.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, I better follow this chick. I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose her. So I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going I want to go to Grambling. What do I do?
Speaker 1: She ended up giving my video at that time canister
Speaker 1: of film or my guy were old Big took my
Speaker 1: canister film from Burtner High School, and he vouched for
Speaker 1: me to coach Eddie G. Robinson. And if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for that, you know, I wouldn't be talking to you guys.
Speaker 1: You know, I probably wouldn't be married to Hurelle. You know,
Speaker 1: my relationship probably never would have lasted. I never would
Speaker 1: have gone to college if it wasn't for coach Ernest
Speaker 1: Sterling vouching for me to coach Eddie Robinson and my
Speaker 1: mom I took that drive up there. That was the
Speaker 1: opportunity literally of a lifetime, because if it wasn't Coach Sterling,
Speaker 1: I would not be married to Hirell. Probably I probably
Speaker 1: would not have further my education. And as much as
Speaker 1: he and I didn't really talk much because he knows
Speaker 1: that I owed him my entire life, he knew that.
Speaker 1: But he was a guy that I have to contribute
Speaker 1: all of my success and all of my happiness. I
Speaker 1: have to contribute it to him because if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for him, I would not be where I am today.
Speaker 1: Coach Sterling actually had a little stint with the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys and it just so happened. Raphael Wright calls me
Speaker 1: to talk about his golf tournament coming up in Weatherford.
Speaker 1: I think it is around October leveth, and I asked him,
Speaker 1: I said, do you remember a big six foot seven inch,
Speaker 1: very fair skinned young man from Graham May State University
Speaker 1: And they called him also Big Cat, And of course
Speaker 1: Rayphiel remembered him right away because I'm sure they had
Speaker 1: many battles together in practice. And even though coach Sterling
Speaker 1: was only there for just a quick cup of coffee,
Speaker 1: he was really happy with his career because he went
Speaker 1: back to Grambling and he coached at Grambling doing two
Speaker 1: stints I would imagine cumulatively over thirty plus years under
Speaker 1: the two ledge of coach Eddie Robbins, and so he
Speaker 1: lived the life that he wanted to live. It was
Speaker 1: a dream life for him. He survived by Irene and
Speaker 1: his kids. And I just had to put that out
Speaker 1: there for him, because you know, we're talking about hbu
Speaker 1: HBCUs nowadays and how you know, we've kind of been
Speaker 1: ignored throughout the annimals of recent history in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And to me, Coach Sterling had his own legacy, and
Speaker 1: he also contributed to another legacy, which was mine. So
Speaker 1: I gotta give him love and he will truly be missed.
Speaker 1: I'm ever so I'm reading up on Ernest here and
Speaker 1: there was a standout defensive lineman for Grambling and then
Speaker 1: went to the Cowboys, as you mentioned, was here briefly
Speaker 1: and then h you know, he started his college coaching
Speaker 1: career as a defensive line coach for Eddie Robinson, first
Speaker 1: for twenty one years, then stepped away for a couple
Speaker 1: of years, and then came back. And Eddie Robinson once
Speaker 1: said of Sterling, Ernest coach with me for twenty four years.
Speaker 1: He had played for me, and then in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He was like a rock and my foundation guy. You know.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Eddie Robinson a Hall of fame coach,
Speaker 1: but even a hall of fame coaches need a rock
Speaker 1: in their found and that's why Ernest Sterling was to
Speaker 1: Eddie Robinson. That is so true, coach Sterling. He actually
Speaker 1: came to a couple of Cowboy camps. You know how
Speaker 1: they bring in the whole staff of a particular university
Speaker 1: HBCU and not bring in some staff so they can
Speaker 1: learn on how things are done in training camp from
Speaker 1: the pros. I think that was an official program with
Speaker 1: the NFL to bring in college coaches and let them
Speaker 1: see how professional coaches get it done and how they
Speaker 1: go through practices. And it was very odd and strange
Speaker 1: to have the Grambling coaching staff there. I tried to
Speaker 1: stay the hell away from them. I don't want those
Speaker 1: flashbacks anymore. You know. I had my own problems here
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys with Eddie Robinson, but that coaching staff
Speaker 1: was just like coach Landry's in regards to We wore
Speaker 1: suits and ties everywhere we went. We tried to represent
Speaker 1: our HBCUs with nothing but class because Eddie Robinson would
Speaker 1: not have it any other way. We traveled all the time.
Speaker 1: We had three home games a year. Any other time
Speaker 1: we were on the road for eight games. We had
Speaker 1: to take our books with us everywhere we went because
Speaker 1: the culture at Grambling was to graduate players, not just
Speaker 1: tried to sending him through the NFL through with some
Speaker 1: type of draft. And Coach Sterling was the We call
Speaker 1: him the educational supervisor because he was the one that
Speaker 1: made sure all players stayed eligible. He was the one
Speaker 1: that did that and that's why Eddie Robinson called him
Speaker 1: his rock because he kept players eligible by hooker coup.
Speaker 1: He wanted to make sure that we were studying, that
Speaker 1: we stayed in class, and we stayed focused, not just
Speaker 1: on the field, but also on the campus. What a legacy.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing that ever since, Yes, sir, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: all right. Ernest Sterling, Senior, Grambling State University. All right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: any parting thoughts is we wrap up this edition of
Speaker 1: Mick Shots. We got just a couple of weeks before
Speaker 1: draft day. You know, one other note on the cornerbacks
Speaker 1: I mentioned there was five and ranked in the top
Speaker 1: forty two of somebody's one hundred. That same listing had
Speaker 1: eleven corners in the top sixty one. So there are
Speaker 1: corners out there, whoa And you can get one in
Speaker 1: the second round if you decide to go a different
Speaker 1: route in the first. I'm not sure what the linebacker
Speaker 1: availability would be for someone to step in and be
Speaker 1: a starter if you got them in the second where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are. But again, with all those draft choices,
Speaker 1: you know you can move around and get to where
Speaker 1: you need to if you can find a trading partner.
Speaker 1: And also one other thing I noticed I read this
Speaker 1: little note the New York Jets, all right, they traded
Speaker 1: over this last year. Leonard Williams their sixth pick in
Speaker 1: the first round, Jamal Adams a sixth pick in the
Speaker 1: first round, and Sam Darnold a third pick. They got
Speaker 1: eight picks for those guys trading them. They have twenty
Speaker 1: one picks in the next two drafts, twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two. So you think they've got the
Speaker 1: ability to move around With an average of ten and
Speaker 1: a half picks per year, that's awfully impressive. So watch
Speaker 1: out for the Jets doing exactly what they want to
Speaker 1: do if they can do it right. Not as not
Speaker 1: as impressive as the herschel Walker trade. Right, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that's Chuck Chains compared to what just happened. What was
Speaker 1: that nineteen ninety I believe with the Cowboys and hershell
Speaker 1: Walker eighty nine. So the prediction is, the prediction is
Speaker 1: that the Jets will now make twenty one more trades
Speaker 1: of all those draft picks here in the coming years,
Speaker 1: and they'll still have they'll still be at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the division the metal all right, That does it
Speaker 1: for mixed shots for Everson and Micky. I'm Bill and
Speaker 1: we will see you again next week at eleven thirty
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