WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Feeling A Draft 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.480 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:16.320 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:20.520 screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.239 Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:32.639 and Nicky Spagnola. All right, here we are. It is 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:37.879 time for another edition of mix Shots. It's Tuesday at 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:42.240 eleven thirty and Mickey Spagnola right on time at eleven 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.599 thirty on a Tuesday morning. Everson Walls will be along shortly. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.440 I am Bill Jones and Mickey. I have spent this morning, 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.760 as I have spent many mornings here in the month 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.240 of April already, as we are up to April thirteenth, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.320 now two weeks and two days away from Draft day, 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:04.800 I have then immersed inside mine. Let me get it here, 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:09.760 let me get it here, my big green NFL draft 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.200 scouting notebook. I am into this, Mickey. I'm ready to go. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:20.360 I got a big blue one, your big blue NFL 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.720 draft scouting notebook. All right, it's thick. That's what I 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.000 should have a blue one. I should have a blue one. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.160 But going way back in Mickey, you and I have 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.840 been of course you've been covering the Cowboys since the eighties, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.080 but we really started getting into this draft stuff. I 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.640 want to say two thousand and five, when the Cowboys 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.120 had two first round draft picks with DeMarcus Ware and 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.800 Marcus Spears. And that's basically when I started my notebook. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.920 And one year I just happened to get a green notebook. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.280 And then people would say once inside that big green 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.680 notebook and so, and then I thought, you know what, 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.960 I'm gonna get a green notebook every year. Maybe I 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.200 can get a title sponsor, I can get the At 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:01.880 that time, I got a big green egg on the 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.000 back porch, and I thought, well, maybe the big green 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.520 Egg will sponsor my notebook. Well here we are fifteen 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.000 years later and no sponsor. But I still got my 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.520 green notebook. So you didn't get another egg. Huh. I 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.640 do have the egg. I don't use it enough on 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.200 the back porch, but since then I've got sunning laws 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.720 who do use it for me. So but yeah, it's 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.200 two weeks and two days away and I feel like 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.000 I got a lot more studying to do. But I 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.080 feel a lot better about my knowledge of some of 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.600 the prospects than I did a couple of weeks ago. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.799 This is a great month as far as I'm concerned, 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.119 just getting ready for this thing and learning these players. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.160 And you know, as for out here, it's been pretty 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:50.840 quiet over the last week. The one thing that should 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.960 occur this week, I think if all goes well, at 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:59.119 some point, Kean O'Neill will actually assign. You know, he's 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:04.440 still agree to terms. Uh he doesn't hasn't signed his contract. 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.400 He evidently had a medical deal going on with his 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.519 ear and the doctors didn't want him to fly. So 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:15.400 uh he hasn't physically come to sign, but uh, they 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.240 should get that done. I was told this week and 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:24.440 looking at the amped up rehab that Dak Prescott is 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:29.080 doing uh, you know three about two three times a week. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.000 He has progressed. Now you know how they put those 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.880 those pylons on the ground and uh the quarterbacks would 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.760 you know, step up and then back in like they're 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.920 dropping back and then come back forward. Uh. He's now 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.920 doing that on the resistant chord and looking pretty darn good. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:54.320 H backpedaling, coming forward, backpedaling, coming forward. Uh, doing the 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.360 different exercises Britt Brown is putting him through. So uh 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.440 he's certainly moving along with his rehab. Along with his 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.960 rehab buddy Lyle Collins, they seem to work out together. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:13.040 Uh and usually Tuesday morning, actually Monday Tuesday mornings for sure. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:18.640 So his progress is improving greatly. And like I said 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.760 last week, Bill, uh, I had to kind of remind 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.240 myself which foot was the one that he injured, because 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:30.160 he seems to be moving that well. It's funny you're 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:34.600 talking about dak and and being on the rehab field 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.800 with the cones on the field. It reminded me of 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.000 a story I heard. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say, 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.800 uh what coach told me this about Nick Saban. But 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:49.520 he's gone through so many assistant coaches at Alabama that 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.320 there's you know, he's got a it's a turnstile there 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.039 every year where so many so many coaches go there 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:59.799 either to rehab their career to honestly just just working 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:03.679 for Saban. But one coach, it was a quarterbacks coach 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.760 that was there and he was doing quarterback drills whatever 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:12.960 and Saban was observing, and uh, they got to talking afterwards, 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.080 and Saban asked him, Oh, why don't you why don't 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:20.720 you use cones with your quarterback drills. And the coach said, well, 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.440 you know, I don't. I just never have used cones. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.640 There's there's no reason now, you know, I can they 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.880 can see, you know, they can still work on their footwork. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.360 I just don't use cones. And Saban said to him, 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:37.880 let's use cones. So they use cones from then on. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.800 There was no no rhymeries and to it. But there's 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.719 cones out there. I wonder if we have Everson Walls 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.360 with us now I'm seeing still on the live stream, 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:52.560 he looks a tad plexed. Yeah, maybe we'd haven't reached 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.280 communication with him, but there help. He shaking his head. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.480 All right, Uh, he's so mickey, he's studying cover two. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:10.320 I think, all right, your first comments about not much 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.880 going on there at the Star, I think that that 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.640 is an alarming comment to some that might be listening, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.280 because the draft is two weeks away, and there better 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.360 be something going on there in regards to the draft 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.760 at the Star here two weeks before the draft, Well, 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.240 it's going it's going on on the other side of 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.160 the demilitarized zone. Okay, not not yeah, not where you 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.680 can see it. Not where I'm sure there's plenty. There's 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.680 plenty going on in the important wing of the Star 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.000 in Frisco inside Ford Center, right. And my point was 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:46.000 they haven't like signed anybody or you know, released anybody. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:50.240 We haven't got any news on personnel. But yeah, I'm sure, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:54.560 I'm sure they're ramping up preparation for the draft, you know. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.000 And speaking of that, Bill, I was looking at the 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:01.560 roster as it sits right now, and if we include 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.320 uh Kean O'Neill when he when eventually signs, and the 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:10.280 two guys that got restricted uh offer sheets. Uh, they've 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.840 got seventy three guys under contract right now, and they 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.480 still don't know if it's going to be an eighty 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.160 man roster or a ninety man roster like they expanded 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:25.560 last year, uh to help teams get through the pandemic. 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:30.160 Uh So, with seventy three guys already signed and ten 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:34.440 draft choices, uh, if it's an eighty man roster, then 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.000 you know, I don't, let's put it this way. I 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:44.800 don't see them right uh so that they're pointing towards 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.280 ninety at this point, right. Uh, And we'll see where 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.840 that goes. But I don't see them using all ten 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:58.760 draft choices, and you know that, which means that I 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.480 think in their minds, if they want to they've got 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:08.240 enough draft choice power to move around in this draft, 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.720 if they want to move up to take a player 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.360 or two obviously, if they want to move back and 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.160 pick up more picks, or maybe pick up picks for 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.280 next year, and not. When I say back, I don't mean, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:27.160 you know, more than three to five spots and still 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:32.559 get what they want. So I think that trade there 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:37.520 are probably some trade wins brewing, and not before the draft, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.559 but during the draft, Like in that first round, if 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.520 you got somebody you just gotta have and you want 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.960 to move up two spots, they probably got enough to 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.400 do that. And especially in the second round. If you 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.199 look at the second day bill, they've got three picks 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.560 in the second round forty four, seventy five, and ninety nine. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.000 So the Cowboys have four picks in the top ninety 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:05.199 nine picks, and that's pretty good draft collateral heading into 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:10.160 their draft, you know, and you think about it, how 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:15.280 about especially when you look at the fact that there 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.440 could be five quarterbacks taking ahead of them in the draft, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.800 and then you've got these receivers and so you could 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.520 have the pick of four or five defensive players that 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.280 you like, not to mention, maybe an offensive tackle, and 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.120 I also will include Kyle Pitts. The tight end is 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.200 one of those that I'm going to assume is going 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.520 to be picked. If he's a future Hall of Fame 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.640 tied end, he's not going to make it all the 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.000 way to number ten in this draft, So that that 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.640 just clears the board for them where they can have 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:48.840 almost the pick of the letter as far as the 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.960 defensive board goes. And there's there may be a guy 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.640 that they really you know, you know, if they've got 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.240 them rank sort of the same, there may be a 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.000 guy that they like the better that you know they're intelligence. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.240 This is telling them that other teams, you know you 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.720 can might be able to get them at fifteen instead 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.160 of ten. And so you can pick up an extra pick, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.880 maybe in the third round, slide down five spots, and 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.360 then you take your forty fourth pick, and there's another 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.120 guy lately even late in the first round, where you 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.240 now have some ammunition where you can really move up 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.760 and get another guy that you really like, either late 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.640 first round or early second round. On the second day 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.000 of the draft. Yeah, they're almost with that tenth pick 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:31.679 in a perfect spots, as you mentioned, five quarterbacks, potentially 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:36.520 two wide receivers that's seven. There's been talk of two 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:44.000 offensive linemen that's nine. You mentioned pits, that's ten. So yeah, 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.880 they should have their choice of defensive guys if that's 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.600 the way they want to go, to take the best 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.880 defensive player that's on the board at that point. If 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.560 the draft goes the way we suspect, and I think 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.680 there's a lot of talk right now of you know, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:06.560 maybe the draft starts at number four Atlanta. Are they 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.040 going to take a quarterback or are they going to 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.120 trade out of that for somebody that wants a quarterback. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.080 You know, they've got Matt Ryan for two more years. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.840 Do they want a young guy to groom behind him 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.560 for a couple more years or would they just trade 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.160 out of there and get something for their trouble. So 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.280 I think that spot will kind of start this draft 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.320 going on what happens with the quarterbacks in the in 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.480 the top five. But like you said, Bill, you know, 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.360 they get to number ten and if they're still there, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:45.800 whatever cornerback they want, whatever linebacker they want, if they 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.720 got a defensive lineman that they like, but they want 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.600 to move back. I think they've got a lot of 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.360 variables there that they can take advantage of, at least 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.480 at this point, as you said, with two weeks and 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.440 two days to go before the draft, you know. And 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.280 the other thing is, you know, we're sitting here this 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.240 cottage industry, as Parcels put it, back in the day 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.360 of the of all the mock drafts and all this 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.800 lead up to the draft, we really don't know for 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.120 sure what's going to happen, obviously, and it's like it 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.840 almost becomes a thing where, all right, there's these popular 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.720 mock drafts out there, and people are afraid to go 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.959 against the grain, and because they that are even the 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.719 analyst on it, because well maybe I'm they think, well, 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.880 maybe I'm crazy. Why do I think this guy is 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.880 going to be there? Well, these NFL scouts and teams, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.920 they've studied these players a whole lot more than anyone 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.400 on the outside, and so we really don't know. And 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.600 we also don't know how they feel about their teams. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.400 For instance, in Atlanta at number four, Okay, let's say 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.800 that they kind of like justin Field, so they kind 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.960 of like Trey Lance, but they aren't sure about it. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.719 They have to make a decision as far as their 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.120 team goes. How close are they to getting back to 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.400 contending again with Matt Ryan as their quarterback or do 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.840 they quote unquote waste that pick on a guy that 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.720 they're that's going to be playing behind, like a Justin 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.720 Fields or a Trey Lance, especially Trey Lance. Well either 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.080 one of them aren't necessarily ready to come right in 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.439 right now, but they play behind Matt Ryan for a 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.320 year or two, Well, you haven't improved your immediate football 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.960 team at that point. So Atlanta's got to make that decision, 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.760 all right, Do I take that future quarterback you know, 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:34.960 I've got Matt Ryan here for another year or two, 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.960 or do I really improve my team right now? And 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.360 get that tied in that everyone says going to the 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:44.040 Hall of Fame Kyle Pitts and we're making a move 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.400 now and worry about the quarterback later. Yeah, no, absolutely, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:52.600 And you know, and especially Trey Lance, right he's basically 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:57.920 played one season and so he's probably not ready to 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:03.559 step in somewhere and take over for level Yeah, yeah exactly. 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:08.960 So um that that that's gonna be an interesting spot. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:16.160 Do you think we have Everson now? You do look yes, 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:22.880 all rightness, I want to follow a complaint. Man, Who's 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:27.960 who runs this show? Who runs this? This? This Pennyanni show? Here? 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.680 What's going on? I'm sorry, Chris, I'm sorry, Chris. How 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:36.240 you doing? Body? Nice to see it ever since? It's 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.160 great we were we were seeing you earlier. It's great 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.280 to hear you now. Oh good. I hope I hope 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.040 you didn't. I hope you didn't see my finger. I 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.840 had a finger, you know. No, that's when they see that. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.360 We saw your face and it was a lot of consternation. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:57.960 Looks you were studying that you were you look like 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.880 a rookie studying that flex DF. That's where it was 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.560 like that. I looked on the sideline. Could you? I 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:10.040 looked on the sideline after after every series, you know, like, 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.840 what the hell is this flex defense all about? It's 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.200 not working? It doesn't work. So could you at least 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.280 could you at least hear us? Could you hear what 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.280 we were talking about? How you could not hear you? Okay? 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.640 Is that a good thing. We weren't talking about you. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.360 We were talking about the draft, the possibilities of what 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.640 the Cowboys can do, and the way everything seems to 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.480 be shaking down with those first nine picks. Uh. And 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.040 the you know they were talking about the tight end, right, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.520 talking about us going for a tight end. Well, I 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.920 don't know, yeah, Florida. You know, everybody's enamored with him. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.480 So the fact that, uh, evidently if Jerry said he's 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.600 intrigued by the tight end, well yeah, he's intrigued. He 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.800 should be intrigued. Everybody's intrigued by him. And that doesn't 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.680 mean you're taking him right. Uh, the he is. You 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.400 have to admit though, he is that special tight end 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.440 that that doesn't come along, you know, but once in 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.240 a while you can tell, not just by his build 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:14.160 and his talent, but it's his determination, his confidence, you know, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.240 his determination as I spoke of something that was has 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:22.320 been evident throughout his entire the entire year last year, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.880 and he caught my eye, I must admit. So, yeah, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.680 it's somebody you want to take a look at. But 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:33.160 here we are sitting on Jarwin, who I'm hoping comes back. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.080 You know, he was one of my favorite tight ends 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.280 in the league when he was healthy. These facts, so 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.720 I don't know what is the progress on. I believe 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.800 it was the ACL injury that he had. Yeah, and 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.080 let's put it this way. If you're intrigued at number ten, 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.760 somebody between one and nine should be equally intrigued. Right, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.560 If the guy is as good as advertised, and all 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.680 I gotta say is tight end play didn't keep this 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:06.120 team from finishing five hundred, All right, Yeah, what what 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.919 you're looking at? Obviously we have to go with defense. Uh. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.919 The guy Pitts, I believe that's his name, right, Kyle Pitts, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.439 and his names now Kyle Pitts. He can make you 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.360 change your mind. You know. That's the thing about that 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.000 kind of generational talent. That's the way I see it 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.720 as a generational talent. He will make you change your mind. 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.760 You know, you're thinking like, Okay, we're set, guys, you know, 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.520 don't worry about it. Oh, we're not going to be distracted. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:33.520 And all of a sudden, here this guy comes and 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.680 you're like, oh, man, if I could just get that guy, 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.240 if he's available, what would this do for my team? 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.840 And then we think, as you said, Spags, we've got 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.440 we've got offensive talent. That's nothing that we're not short 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.800 on offensive talent at all. We have to stick to 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.240 the game plan. We have to go for what we 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:57.359 go defensively. But if we're gonna go defensively, it better 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.879 be that pick. You know, we're not gonna come up 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:03.280 with some you know guy that you never heard of. Oh, guys, 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.879 this was a surprise pick by us, and you know, 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.080 we think it's gonna work. Now, we don't need any 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:13.040 of those experiments. We're already experimenting because they're rookies, but 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:17.080 we need someone that's gonna come in ready to play. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.000 If we're gonna pass up a Kyle Pitts. Yeah, and 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.080 that's why that that that tenth pick is pretty valuable 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.000 real estate in this draft because if there's a team 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.040 that still sees a quarterback available and they want to 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.480 move up, who knows how much they give you for 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.920 a quarterback. And the same thing with Pitts. If he's 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:39.639 as good as advertised, you know, somebody around twelve thirteen 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.480 might say, oh, I gotta have that guy. Uh. It 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.360 might give you a buttload and you might have, uh, 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.159 you know, two or three guys that you say, Okay, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.600 either one of those guys I can live with. And 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.399 it's not just corners, it's the linebackers. As Bill and 0:18:55.440 --> 0:19:00.560 I talked about last week and Bill linebackers, you guys 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.240 on linebackers, Yeah, and build it. Don't you think into 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.120 a couple of them too? By the way, well, don't 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:13.760 you think that they're at number ten or going into 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.320 the draft. They're going to expect that certain players are 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.680 going to be there at ten and there is going 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.640 to be one player that they've graded higher who stands 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.400 out above the rest and that grouping of say four 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.359 or five players who are possibilities at number ten, and 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.040 if that guy is there, they got to take that game. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:38.399 You can't, don't you You can't risk moving back a 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.199 couple of spots and then not get the guy that 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.040 you want. I think the way that you move down 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.960 is if that guy is already taken and then you've 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.480 got another handful that you like, but you're not you know, 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.600 there there he's not the one A on your list, Um, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.879 and it's still here's the other linebacker, Bill that you 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:04.000 were that you were. Well, there's a couple of the 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.120 three that I like. Well, you got Michael Parsons from 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.080 Penn State who everyone's talking about, and then you know 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.400 Jeremiah Woosu Coromoa from Notre Dame is a guy that's 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.920 really very good, Bill, Because I thought he was saying 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.879 like three or four names. That's I didn't and so 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.120 there were three names for you right there, Jeremiah Osu 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:30.160 Coamoa and then Notre Dame. Notre Dame. Yeah, and he's uh, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:34.680 you know, in contrast to Parsons, uh A Woosu Corromoa. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.119 He was his safety. You know. Parsons in high school 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:40.800 was a defensive line. He was like an edge rusher. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.040 So he came from the front four and moved to 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.800 the linebacker spot in college. Okay, Oh, Woosu came from 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.639 the back end and became a lineback linebacker. He is 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.639 more one of those hybrid type guys. Only you know, 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.240 he's a smaller guy two hundred and twenty pounds, but 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.120 he's and it's what the league is going to right 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.680 There are time games where you're watching Notre Dame tape 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:06.240 and you're wondering, War's number six, where's he lining up? Well, 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:08.920 he's out on the slot, that's out on the perimeter, 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.439 and then he comes into the action. Uh as a 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.240 play unfolds. But you take a look at him, he 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:20.320 you'll really like his athleticism. He's delivered some of the 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.600 hardest hits that I've seen on tape from any of 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.560 these draft prospects. And he's he's got all the intangibles too. 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.320 I mean, he is just a complete person as well 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:35.720 as a complete player. Now, Jimmy. The third guy is 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.280 Zaven Collins from Tulsa, and uh, he's a guy now 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.520 Ooosa Cormoo won the Bukas Award last year at Notre 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.400 Dame's the top linebacker in the country. Every other defensive 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:49.000 award in the country was won by Zaven Collins of Tulsa. 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:52.920 This guy, Everson Wow, this guy. This guy played middle 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.200 linebacker and he was all over the field. He also 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.520 was an edge rusher at times. UM he and he 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.480 had four interceptions last year in eight games UM, including 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.200 one that clinched the biggest game of the year for me. 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.160 Ran ninety five yards for a touchdown. He is six five, 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:13.400 but get this, he is six five, two hundred sixty 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:20.840 pounds and runs four six Yeah. Oh my goodness, Yeah, 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.480 I mean so he you know, and what was once 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.880 van direction? What happens to small linebackers? Bill? You just exactly, 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.719 I mean, you got so here, you got three different 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.960 linebackers that are all different. Okay, and you know Parsons 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.840 is a bigger Parsons is two forty five, yes he is, 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:41.600 I remember, but he runs a four to four. Now 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.240 some of these forty times ever since, as you know, 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:46.960 since they didn't have a combine, they're done at Pro 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.399 days and they're they're all over the lot. But you know, 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:52.880 a four four still a four. You know it's time 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:56.280 at four three six. So even if you took no, no, 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.760 even if you took you know, five, it's off. You know, 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:05.159 it's taking a four four six. And that's why you 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.520 know what I saw. I say we take a linebacker. 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.119 I say we take a linebacker. Let's just let's just 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:13.520 stop right there. We're taking a linebacker, you know. But 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.480 here's the thing. Ever sing on Zavian Collins, you know, 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.720 the so called draft experts, they're saying, ah, he's a 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.760 mid late first round guy. So what the Cowboys took 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.440 him at number ten, they'd be criticized all over the 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.320 lot that, oh they reached on it and they took 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:32.159 him too soon. Well nobody knows that. You know, the 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.080 giants picking right behind them might love them just as much, 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.119 and they might take them. You don't know giants and 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.840 known for taking good linebackers. I mean, yeah, lt Aside, 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.080 you have a cast and you got arms, Jesse Armstead, 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.600 I mean you got a whole list of of a 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.439 history of giants taking good linebackers. You know, the thing 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:54.880 that distinguishes all three of these guys is their their instincts. 0:23:55.320 --> 0:24:00.320 They see what's happening before it happens. Uh. They're not right, 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.720 They're not late leading reading things. You know. I saw 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:08.720 an interview with Jim Morra Junior about uh Coamoa and 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.960 the last thing he said was the team that passes 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:16.720 on him will regret it, and so uh he he 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.680 thinks he thinks this guy is that. He also said 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.879 he's as dynamic a defensive player in the draft as 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:28.200