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Speaker 1: Coming up much more on the presidential race. Former Vice

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Speaker 1: Happy Monday, folks. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. It has been a busy,

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Speaker 1: busy day here in Washington. The headlines flying just moments

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Speaker 1: to withhold some of these tax documents. That's a major

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Speaker 1: win for the House Democrats who are pressing to get

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Speaker 1: those documents. We are also, of course, carefully monitoring how

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Speaker 1: all of this impacts presidential campaign over the weekend. Former

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Speaker 1: Vice President Joe Biden he made it official. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's beneficial for like months, but he made it official Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: where his campaign is headquartered, officially launching that campaign. Joining

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Speaker 1: me in studio. Emily Miller, republican strategist, former communications director

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Speaker 1: And Josh, my understanding is that Bennett, your son, your

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Speaker 1: oldest son celebrated his bar mitzvah over the weekend. Muzzle toov,

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Speaker 1: He's now an adult in the eyes of of our traditions,

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Speaker 1: do you make of Biden's launch? Was it a better

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Speaker 1: party than your son's bar mitzvah? It's yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: Now he had a great launch. I think wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: It's like exploring a launch for the launch of the launch.

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Speaker 1: I know he's at the top of the commit and

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Speaker 1: he's number one in terms of how he stands in

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Speaker 1: I think a great job going right at Trump. Josh,

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Speaker 1: take us behind the scenes. Just you've worked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes about the calculation that the Biden campaign is going

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Speaker 1: while also being sympathetic to not app hearing like they're

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Speaker 1: it's a great question, and that strategic decision has been made.

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Speaker 1: divide them. I think that they surveyed the rest of

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Speaker 1: the moment here is to take Trump on directly, and

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Speaker 1: I think proof that that is working is that other

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Speaker 1: that he'll take off the gloves and the debate what

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Speaker 1: I cannot tell you who I was wanting for president

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Speaker 1: They don't want to take down the walls in Texas.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to take away the guns. But what

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Speaker 1: have their hair on fire about assassa President Trump, they

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Speaker 1: wanted to go after President Trump the mid terms, they couldn't,

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Speaker 1: So let's go after the next biggest thing, which is

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Speaker 1: Democratic primary election right now a failure. It is too early,

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Speaker 1: all right, we got we got lessons to minutes. But

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Speaker 1: this abortion has really become talk of the of the country. Really, why, Emily,

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest reasons that the far right I

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Speaker 1: put pro life conservative judges on the Supreme Court. When

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Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade. We have a chance. We've gotten to

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Speaker 1: the time that's gonna happen. But but Senator Collins thinks

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Speaker 1: that President Trump put on their justice. Kavanaugh made this

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Speaker 1: commitment back back in the day. But this is coming

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Speaker 1: up because of it's all about politics, Kevin, and it is.

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Speaker 1: It is definitely going to be something that is one

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Speaker 1: of the many divisive issues that the country is going

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Speaker 1: to have a conversation about. Josh Emily, thank you both

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on. Really really appreciate it, Really

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