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Speaker 1: Let's roll. Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk. Next week, grash I we're recording

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Speaker 1: this the week prior, so coming up, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: these Shrine and Senior Bowls a little bit later this week.

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Speaker 1: I'll be at Shrine over the weekend and first go

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Speaker 1: following week and joining us in front of the program

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. He's Jeff Risdon Jeff, what's going on, man?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. It's I love this time of year.

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Speaker 2: It's my time to get out of the snowy winter here.

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Speaker 2: And I will be going to my sixteenth Senior Bowl

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Speaker 2: this year, so that it's always fun to talk some

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Speaker 2: draft to get into it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I know you're busy with the Lions as well,

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Speaker 1: with a lot of the playoffs stuff going on, and

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Speaker 1: that's always a good problem to have. So tell the

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Speaker 1: folks where they can find everything you're doing right now, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am the managing editor for the Lions Wire

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Speaker 2: and Draft Wire at USA Today, and for once those

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Speaker 2: two jobs titles don't intersect. This year, it's been a

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Speaker 2: happy problem to have. Normally, I'm creaking out a lot

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Speaker 2: of content that applies to both. This year, I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of separate. So my draft prep unfortunately, is not where

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Speaker 2: I want it to be at this point. But I

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Speaker 2: have been watching as many guys as I could, and

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Speaker 2: you can find it at a Lion's Wire, Draft Wire,

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Speaker 2: and if you want to do the Lions side and

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Speaker 2: hear us yap about our playoff team, that's really good.

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Speaker 2: We're at the Detroit Lions podcast as well. So thanks

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. No problem, all right, Jeff, So let's do you

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Speaker 1: want to start Shrine or Senior Bow. You tell me

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Speaker 2: Let's go Shrine to say go first.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go Shrine. So we'll go in chronological order.

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Speaker 1: I don't want Eric Galco to break through the wall

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Speaker 1: But I love Rick. Yeah, we love Eric. He's great.

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Speaker 1: He was on our show last week, but they had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think ball velocity coming out of his

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Speaker 1: So just something else to keep in mind. All right,

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Speaker 1: really good running back last, Jeff, I think we're gonna

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Speaker 2: although Tyrone Tracy did a pretty job pretty all with that.

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Speaker 1: And then the wide receiver group headlined by the three

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Speaker 1: Here all right. I will keep an eye on him

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Speaker 1: for sure, tight End another group that's kind of been

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Speaker 1: like Eli Stowers is going to go back to Vanderbilt,

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Speaker 1: So who from this group it at try and gets

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke Lache from Iowa is certainly one that that's

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Speaker 2: because I can't ever remember his name from Auburn.

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Speaker 1: Auburn is a Rivaldo Fairweather. Excellent name, great name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he played really well. I have not watched

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Speaker 1: Very good. Defensive line is a spot that Giants are

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Speaker 1: And we'll see if, if how much and if he

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Speaker 1: Yes, great player, Yes, totally agreat Anything else from Shrine

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Speaker 2: Just a couple of the edges because I didn't I

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Speaker 1: There, hoddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Jeff, and this, I think we might set

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's do some of these groups. And

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Speaker 2: the ball in New York. But yeah, that's want to

431
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 2: see guys that can win in more than one way,

432
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 2: and I think all these guys are gonna have an

433
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 2: opportunity to do that. And there's a pretty good offensive

434
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,880
Speaker 2: line group here that's gonna be going up against them too.

435
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,439
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fantastic time down the wheel.

436
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: Yes, Scourt is interesting because he's so big, like he's

437
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty pounds. He's not one of these

438
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: like two hundred fifty pound guys. So I think what

439
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,239
Speaker 1: people expect, like the burst in twitch out of them.

440
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 1: I think people have to remember that dude's too eighty,

441
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: he's not too fifty and he doesn't look too eight

442
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: either when you look at him. He carries the weight

443
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: really well. So I'm with you. And that's the other

444
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: guy I'm excited about.

445
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 2: Too, and he is one and actually both Schamar's from

446
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 2: Texas A and M and even the South Carolina guys, says, well,

447
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 2: what are they weigh in at? How long are their arms?

448
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 2: You know, the measurements are something that I think are

449
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 2: gonna be key for a lot of these guys because

450
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 2: you don't really trust the ones that coming out of

451
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: college and Texas A and M especially is notorious for

452
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 2: fluffing arm length and weight. So what are these guys

453
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 2: really at chance to get ahead of that before they

454
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 2: get to Indianapolis of the combine where I'm looking important

455
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: seeing you down there too?

456
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, no question about all right. You mentioned the

457
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: offensive line, and I think this is a huge week

458
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: for the offensive line A because they're going against such

459
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: a good group, right, And I do think you know

460
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: we're not going to see Calvin Banks down there. I

461
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's a guard tackle, to be

462
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: honest with you, let's talk about.

463
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: Him real quick, because I don't see his game translating

464
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 2: to guard at all. I think he's a tackle in

465
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: a guard's body.

466
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: Why do you say he does not look like or

467
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 1: move like a tackle to me? And that's a problem

468
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: for me.

469
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a tough one. He's he's very dangerously falling

470
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: into the dreaded tweeter and a guy who winds up

471
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: playing both as like your six offensive lineman for a

472
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 2: long time. And you don't typically draft those guys high.

473
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: But I'm sure some team's gonna fall in love with him,

474
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: you know, in the fifteen to thirty range and try

475
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: him at guard. And I just don't see the power

476
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 2: in his game at all. He sets up too high,

477
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: his hands are consistently too high. He worries me as

478
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 2: a guy that I think is gonna get overdrafted, but

479
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: I could be wrong.

480
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have not finished. I'm trying to focus

481
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: on the All Star Games guys yet. So I watched

482
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: him a little bit. I think I'm going off my

483
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: summer scatting with him. I haven't done much the last

484
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: couple of months, but I'm with you. I think the

485
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 1: LSU tackle looks much more like a tackle. I worry

486
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: about his arm length and power, but he looks like

487
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: a tackle for me. But where I was going with

488
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: that is that I think some of these guys like

489
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: Jonas Savanaa, for example, at Arizona, does he a guard

490
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: or a cackle like he is? To figure that out,

491
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, Emery Jones is a big guy, how does

492
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 1: he hang a tackle against some of these edge rushers?

493
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: Does he have to move inside? Because he had a

494
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: lot of issues in pass pro this year. So I

495
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a good Gray's able. Right, this

496
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: big North Dakota Steak guy, how does he handle speed

497
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: rushers outside? Is he a guard? So these guys not

498
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: just how good are you? But what position are you

499
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: going to project at? I think that's gonna be really

500
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: interesting to watch.

501
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and why have my own from West Virginia is

502
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: another one great tackled about one sack in three years.

503
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: As as West Virginia's left tackle. They run a pro

504
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 2: style offense, got thirty two and a quarter inch arms.

505
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: Is a team gonna be willing to leave him out there?

506
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: How well does he handle you guys screaming off the edge?

507
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: Now it's interesting because I think he'll do very well

508
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: in one on ones against the power guys because he's

509
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: he's got some anchor to him. But that's another guy

510
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: that you're looking at, by the way, the North Dakota

511
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: State kid. There are some teams that I know project

512
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: him as a center. Yeah, exactly, So you know, does

513
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 2: he get any chances to play some center down amobile.

514
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: The center group down there is not strong, so maybe

515
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get a shot to do that. They have

516
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: not been afraid to mix things up like that. That's

517
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: where we saw Cody Barton transform into a center. You're

518
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: gonna get some movement there. And how often do these

519
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 2: guys line up at guard and in the pit drills

520
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: when it's you know, two on onees thing three on twos,

521
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: things like that. That's something to pay attention to.

522
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh Connelly's another guy, right. I think he's really

523
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: awesome collegeball. I don't know what to do with him,

524
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: but where does he go? And that's another guy I

525
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 1: want to watch, you know.

526
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many of those guys that they could

527
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 2: be tackles, that could be Garsovnae is another great example

528
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: of a guy, and you know he comes from a program.

529
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: Arizona had one of those guys last year, Jordan Morgan,

530
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 2: who proved that he's a right tackle and the Packers

531
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: took him in the first runt. Unfortunately he got hurt,

532
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: but played played acceptably at right guard interestingly enough. Just yeah,

533
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 2: finding where these guys are, and you know, I always

534
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: love interviewing the offensive lineman too. That's one of my

535
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: favorite parts of going down there. They tend to be

536
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: the smartest guys in the room, and you get some

537
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: interesting answers from those guys, and you know the motivations,

538
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 2: and you know, I love finding out did you wrestle?

539
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: Did you throw shot? Did you play basketball? One of

540
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: the guys from Texas last year, Christian Jones, He's like,

541
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: I didn't play football until I was a junior hotblab

542
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: a soccer player, and it shows in his footwork and

543
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: you kind of put those things together and watch it.

544
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: When he told us that one morning, I went out

545
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: and watched him that afternoon, I'm like, wow, his feet

546
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: really are pretty good. Hands were great, But so little

547
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: things like that are what you kind of, you know,

548
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: tie together. When you see all these guys in person

549
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: and again playing with unfamiliar coaches with unfamiliar guys around them,

550
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: I think is a very good crucible for how well

551
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: they're going to adapt to the NFL.

552
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: Now, two guys I'm sure are tackles that I'm looking

553
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: forward to watching armand Membo from Missouri, who I don't

554
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: think people talk about enough. I would be very comfortable

555
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: picking him into the first round. Beginning of the second

556
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: in this draft class. And oh yeah, oh yeah, right,

557
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: tackle starter, let's roll. I'm good with that. And then

558
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: Marcus Embo from Purdue is a guy that I think

559
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: is a little bit more raw, but he can move.

560
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: That guy is an athlete. He is some things to

561
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: figure out. But if you're looking for a long term tackle,

562
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that could be very interesting.

563
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a draft and stash guy. You take

564
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: him day two. I wouldn't take hi day one. There's

565
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: certainly a whole lot of athleticism and tools to work

566
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 2: with there. And I don't want to denigrate the boiler

567
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: Maker program, but I'm not sure he was well coached.

568
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: So let's let's see what happens when he gets into

569
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: a different coaching scheme and program, because I think there's

570
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: a lot to work with.

571
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: There, lots of issues with hands with him. He doesn't

572
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: get his hands in the right spot and all that stuff.

573
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: So just you know, he has some stuff to work

574
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: on with that. I agree with you. All right, let's

575
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: jump over to back. Why don't we stick on offense?

576
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: Is an offensive line they'll be blocking for a running

577
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: back group, and you talked about it practice and whatever.

578
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, you can't see a lot. This is when

579
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: the game matters though, right you get into the game

580
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: on Saturday, that's when the running backs get to do

581
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: their thing. And you know, Cam Scattaball was on this

582
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: list originally. It doesn't sound like he's gonna go now.

583
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

584
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna be there. So I hope

585
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: he shows up for interviews just because he's gonna be

586
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: somebody that everybody wants to talk to you after what

587
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 2: he did against Text that was fantastic game.

588
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: Now he's one of the guys that probably legitimately has

589
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: gotten the you know what beat out of him over

590
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: the course of the season. So I get that. I

591
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: get that.

592
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he left that game. He was throwing up on

593
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: the sidelines. He's he's one of those guys that he's

594
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: a gamer, and I'm not I don't want to upset

595
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 2: this category of fan base, but I'm not sure he

596
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: translates super well to the NFL. But dang, he's fun

597
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: and he needs storylines like that.

598
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: Doesn't he just feel like a Jim Harbar running back

599
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: to you, that guy like, oh absolutely, And I could

600
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: always see the Chargers taking him on day two and

601
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: be very very happy about it.

602
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: But that doesn't does have great receiving skills, So.

603
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: That's true, that does not mean this is not a

604
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: great group. That's still here.

605
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: R J.

606
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: Harvey, who was ridiculously explosive and productive. I think he

607
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: bounces too much sometimes, but he's fun. Uh. Marcus Yarns

608
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: out of Delaware, I think is a really good third

609
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: down back. He's little.

610
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him yet, so that's one of the

611
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 2: one of the guys that I've got circle I haven't seen.

612
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any Bluepans football yet.

613
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: He's funny, he's fun, a little skinny. I'm not sure

614
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: how much of a pound that he could take. He's

615
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: a little bit at little lanky, but really explosive. Devin

616
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: Neils super productive at Kansas. Damien Martinez, big bruiser out

617
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: of Miami. Then you have Oli Gordon, who was supposed

618
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: to be the top three running back heading into the year.

619
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: He had a slow year and.

620
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: It looked like he got inflated. Yeah. And Khalil Mullings

621
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: from Michigan as a guy. You know another guy that

622
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: I think Michigan's offense this year and I saw them

623
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: Live four times.

624
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, holl was against Ohio State, Jeff, it was not.

625
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: I just see him play against Oregon. So as a

626
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: quick background, I'm from Ohio. I buried into a Michigan family.

627
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: My dad is a bluck Eye. My father in law,

628
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: Reci Peace, was a Michigan Wolverine. So we have the

629
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: house to buy this, even though I don't really root

630
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: for either team. So it's Mullings though, was a guy

631
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: that I think we all projected was a little bit

632
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: of a fullback, and all of a sudden, Wow, he

633
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: outshown the competition in that backfield. So and Donovan Edwards.

634
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: So there's a guy He's gonna be funnest between the

635
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: tackles back. But again, that's the way you can there's

636
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: the way you see in these caves, and Oli Gordon

637
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: is the guy. I hit him pre season top fifty.

638
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: I loved what he did at Oklahoma State. It looked

639
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: like he was either out of shape or dealing with

640
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: nagging injuries, or just kind of disinterested. I don't want

641
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: to dog him like that, but show me show me

642
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: some fire down here, man, because there's a lot of

643
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: talent there. At least there was, and he's been heavily used.

644
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: Maybe that has something to do with it too, but

645
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: he's the guy that I think needs to redeem himself

646
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: a little bit.

647
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Devin Neil is one of those just solid,

648
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, early day three, late day two guys. You

649
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: can plug him in and he could be a part

650
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: time guy for you. But I think I think Harvey's

651
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: the guy that people are gonna leave mobile talking about

652
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: just because of his explosiveness.

653
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm looking forward to I haven't seen UCFN

654
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: a bit, so I'm looking forward to that one too.

655
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: Oh he's fun. Now, we usually get this like Dyna

656
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: unbelievably great wide receiver group at the Senior Bowl. It's

657
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: just not that type of wide receiver class. It's not

658
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: fault uh. But the guys that he has, I think

659
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: some of their interesting Xavier verstrepo. Maybe not like you're

660
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: flashy guy, but he's like such a pretty job done

661
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: slat player, good route runner, tough blocker, all that stuff.

662
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: A little undersized. But then I think the guys outside

663
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: that could be fun. Tesz Johnson got a lot of speed,

664
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: Jaylen Noel of Iowa State's a good player, and uh

665
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: Elic I am an ore from Stanford. I think it's

666
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: also going to be a pretty fun guy to watch

667
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: out there.

668
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: And he's the guy that has some definite buzz going

669
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: about him. Stanford did not have a good offense, he

670
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: was not asked to do NFL things, and I think

671
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: the ability to see him win some one on ones.

672
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: He's not fast or quick, but he's got just enough

673
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: of both that I think he's gonna he's gonna do

674
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: some impressive.

675
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: And he's big. He's a big body too, so he is.

676
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: A big dude. The big guy for me there. Type

677
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: Felton out of Maryland is the guy that I love

678
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: much higher on him than most people. I think he's

679
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: going to run around a four to three flat. They

680
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: didn't use him that way. They sort of he was

681
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: kind of like, Ay, they shoveled him passes that I

682
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: don't think you have. He's he has the legitimate downfield

683
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: threat of a Jamis and Williams guy that I watched

684
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: in Detroit. He's that kind of receiver, and I don't

685
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: think Maryland used him that way. I'm not sure they

686
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: had the quarterback to do it either. But he's a

687
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: guy that I think is gonna really shine down there.

688
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: It's a guy that I have circled as a guy

689
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: who's going to be one of the big winners, assuming

690
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: he plays the way I think he does. I think

691
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: he's a Day two guy, an early Day two guy,

692
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: and I don't think he's getting that kind of buzz.

693
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: So Ty Felton is a guy I like a lot. Also,

694
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: the guys from Virginia Tach too are interesting to watch

695
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: because I'm not sure they had the best quarterback play either.

696
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: I always liked seeing receivers that were I felt were

697
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: held back by quarterbacks, and again respect to the hookies,

698
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: and they did find them late. But I want to

699
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: see these guys with better quarterbacks throwing chill.

700
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Daikwon Lane and Jillen Lane and Daquon Felton

701
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: part of me. So, guy from Virginia Tech, if you

702
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: want to know how to manage two minutes of crunch

703
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: time football, I'm your man.

704
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

705
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: you should talk to citizens. Hey, I can also talk

706
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: long care. I'd like to learn about an miliar team.

707
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your

708
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: money with citizens. Whatd what corners are you excited to

709
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: see those guys go up against them one on ones.

710
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: So corners go through. I get these guys transposed with

711
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: the guys that are the shrines.

712
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: That's fine.

713
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: Uh who we are here? We had a couple of

714
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: guys I think so dar Darian Porter stands out as

715
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: a guy Iowa State, like I'm not even sure he

716
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: started at Iowa State all the time. Good player has

717
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: some HANDLM scouting buzz. I know, I know a lot

718
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: of teams went to Ames that's here to go watch him.

719
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: So we'll see on that.

720
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: And a lot of people are excited about the Florida

721
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: State corner as a Ray Thomas.

722
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: I know I'm still learning how to say his name,

723
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: but yes, he's a guy.

724
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm not right. I'm sure I was wrong, so don't

725
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: copy me, please.

726
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: He's he's the guy that the more I watched him

727
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: and I binged on Florida State a couple of weeks ago,

728
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: good player could sneak into the first round with his skills.

729
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: And he's the guy that I think is gonna thrive

730
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: because he plays the receiver instead of the ball. And

731
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: that's you know, the talented guy, the guy from Oklahoma

732
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: bowman is a guy. Yeah again, Oklahoma's defense wasn't all that,

733
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: but he played very well in the game where he

734
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: needed to when they beat Alabama. So again I'm playing

735
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: major catchup on a lot of these guys, just because

736
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: again it's a happy problem to have that lands are

737
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: still playing.

738
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Trust I get it, and I haven't watched him yet.

739
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to watch the DVS next couple of days.

740
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: Maxwell Harriston from Kentucky is another guy.

741
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: Knows some point, yes, and he's actually not on the

742
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: list of the Haffter, but he's he's a player I

743
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: like a lot. I did watch Kentucky. I watch their

744
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: their big dudo front two. They're they're big boy in

745
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: the middle, can really play. So Harrison is the guy

746
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: that I think can sneak into that top forty range.

747
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: He's gonna be gether. Athletic testing is very important for

748
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: very smart, very plucky corner. I have a I have

749
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: an affinity for corners that play bigger than they are,

750
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: and he is certainly one of those.

751
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's go over to the tight end position.

752
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: This is gonna be fun louted and the best part

753
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: you are the top two guys here. The kid out

754
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: of Michigan, the kid at of Penn State. But Harold

755
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: Fannon is unbelievably productive. I don't know how well he's

756
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: get a test, but he knows how to play receiver,

757
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: bringing stools pretty good. Mason Taylor's kind of a combo

758
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: blocking receiving guy. He could be a late day two

759
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: guy in my opinion. I know some people like him

760
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: more than that. Gunner Helm I think has something to

761
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: him as a lanky wide receiver. Then Elijah Royo, who

762
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of production in four years in Miami.

763
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: He's probably the fastest of this tight end group.

764
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a very intriguing This is a great group.

765
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: Gunner Helm is a guy that I think he's gonna

766
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: be one of those guys that doesn't necessarily like rock

767
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: your world and you look up at the end of

768
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: the season and he's got fifty catches for six hundred

769
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: yards and five touchdowns. Knows how to position himself, can

770
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: play in line, can flex out. Fano is the guy. Look,

771
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: I'm a Mac guy. I'm going to Ohio. Bobcat he

772
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: was a massive problem for us. He was a massive

773
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: problem for Penn State. He was a massive problem for Serracu,

774
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: every time he's been asked to play against a good defense,

775
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: he has thrived. He's not he gets compared to Evan Ingram,

776
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: the former Giant a lot. I don't think he's that

777
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 2: kind of an athlete, but he's certainly he does a lot.

778
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: Of the same things and does the body type two.

779
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm curious what he's going to weigh in at.

780
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: Is he to forty like bowling green listen, I think

781
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: he's probably closer to two thirty to thirty five maybe agreed.

782
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: Very talented player, great player after the catch and creativity

783
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: and again he did that against the big boys, not

784
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: just running around against you know, the Kent States and

785
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: Acrons of the world.

786
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: Good route runner too, I think. So I'm with you.

787
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: I think this tight end group will be fun, the

788
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: two groups, and I'll put these guys together because I

789
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: have trouble with safeties too and linebackers at these All

790
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: Star games, because that posin is all about reading and

791
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: reacting and in practice you can't really see much of that.

792
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: But who from the safety and or linebacker groups at

793
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: the Senior ball or really guys you're pumped up about seeing.

794
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: And one of the things that you're looking at here

795
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: for the guys that are playing safety specifically, is how

796
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: quickly they get to the outside from a center high position.

797
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: And in the game do they read runner pass, do

798
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: they bite on play action things like that, and you

799
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: know linebackers them on the list here bringing this out

800
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: like six days ago might.

801
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: Be this question from UCLA. Is one guy that I

802
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: know people are thank.

803
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 2: You yeah, and he's a very talented player. I think

804
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: he's under appreciated. I think he's a Day two guy.

805
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: Schmeil Mandon from Georgia is another guy the production doesn't

806
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: always match the traits and the skills. I think he's

807
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: the guy that can seek him the top one hundred

808
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: or late day two. But he's show me something as

809
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: a pass rusher here because he's another one of those

810
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: guys you know I talked about earlier with the Shrineking. Guys,

811
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: show me that you can do more than just run

812
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: hard into a running back or a titan that's trying

813
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: to pick you up. Show me that you have some agility,

814
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: show me that you can use your hands. That's another

815
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: guy that I don't think did a great job at

816
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: that at Georgia. But again, you want to see them

817
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: Kenny turn and run Hower's hips and coverage because the tighten,

818
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: this tight end group is nasty good down there. They're

819
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: going to they're going to expose who can cover and

820
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: who can't. So my eyes are open him for somebody

821
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: grab my attention to show me something in those one

822
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: on ONTs.

823
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we started with quarterbacks, let's end with quarterbacks.

824
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 1: Tier nice little group. You might not have a first

825
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: round pick among them, though maybe you might. I don't know.

826
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: We'll see. I'll roll through it for the fans. We

827
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: can't even touch on these guys. We could even touch

828
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: on these guys individually if you want. Jaylen Milroe, Tyler Shao,

829
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: who I think is actually really interesting out of Louisville,

830
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard, will Howard, who people know very well, Jackson

831
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: dor out of all miss Dylan Gabriel of Oregon, he

832
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: was a Heisman guy. Really nice group of quarterbacks.

833
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh so I wish I wish Louisville. I

834
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: wish he was younger. He's he was high school class

835
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: with twenty seventeen. He's bounced around a lot like For

836
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: for some weird reason, I watched every single Louisville game

837
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: this year, and he never ceased to impress me. I

838
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: think he's a very good player. But you're looking at

839
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: the guy that's probably a career backup, and I think

840
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: that's also the case with a couple of other guys

841
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: that you know. Okay is the guy that's interesting for

842
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: me because I think he is better than what most

843
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: of the collective draft media thinks he is. I don't

844
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: want to say that he could be the next Boon Nicks,

845
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: who was. I'll see it as a you know, player

846
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: for the Broncos this year as a rookie, and I

847
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: know people dog got him because he played Lane Kiffin's offense,

848
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: and I get all that. I like the kid. He's

849
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: got a good arm, he knows how to throw the

850
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 2: ball down the field, he knows how to spot the ball,

851
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: he knows how to lead guys, open, doesn't throw hospital balls.

852
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot to like about him. Manages

853
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: the offense very well. I think of the guy that's

854
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: there aside for Milroe, I think he's the only one

855
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: that you can draft and say this guy can start

856
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: for me, maybe not as a rookie, but in a

857
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: year or two. Like I like him at Milroe to

858
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: me is fast. I'm fascinated because can he throw a

859
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: short pass? Yeah, he's great, fifteen to twenty five yards

860
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: down the field, swing bast of the running back. You

861
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: don't know where that ball's going.

862
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: That has to be fundamentals with footwork and stuff like that,

863
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: and that stuff you can kind of figure out.

864
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: I hope, so I really do, because there's some juicton

865
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: he's a little bit smaller than you want. He doesn't

866
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: always make the best decisions on when to run and

867
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: went to throw or make them fast enough and won't

868
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: necessarily get a picture on that. But just can he

869
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: connect with guys on you know, show me a simple

870
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: eight yard slant And it goes back to Malik Willis

871
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 2: when he was done there a couple of years ago

872
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: at the Sea Bowl, he threw a couple of simple

873
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: outruns that hit the brick wall on the bottom of

874
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: the stadium, Like take something off the ball, dude, like

875
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: ken Ken Milroe, vary his approach and things like that.

876
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's gonna be understand when Dylan Gabriel is

877
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: the guy that I saw in person Oregon at Michigan

878
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: this year, Surgical Precision and he works the middle of

879
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: the field very well. There's not a lot of upside

880
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: with him. He sort of is what he is, but

881
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: a guy that I'm I want to see him show me,

882
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, can he transcend? What what was that Oregon?

883
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: Because Oregon guys, ro was burdened by the way shock

884
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: what started there from Louisville back in the he he

885
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: was justin irbers back up for a year, believe or not.

886
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: So there's, uh, there's a lot to like there with

887
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 2: with Gabriel, but I want I want to see can

888
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: he gun the ball in because even at Michigan where

889
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: he played a great game, there were a couple of

890
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: throws where it's like, ah, his receiver had to wait

891
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: a little bit and they you know, they have a

892
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: couple of wide receivers that are, you're, very impressive, that

893
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: are going to get drafted, and he kind of under

894
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 2: threw them a little bit. So I want to see,

895
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: you know, can he leave guys? Can he really push

896
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: the ball down the field?

897
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: I could see Miroe, with his athletic package, being somebody

898
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: that missed out on that first wave of quarterbacks in

899
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: the top ten might invest in him, maybe trade up

900
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: into the back end of the first round to get

901
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: the fifth year option. Doing that, I don't think Jackson

902
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: Dart's going to get into the first round look to quarterbacks,

903
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I see him more as a you know, probably mid

904
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: to later day to round two, maybe beginning a round

905
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: three type of guy.

906
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: Myself. Yeah, I think he's playing to show whether he's

907
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: second round or fourth round, and I think that's one

908
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 2: of the things that a lot of people are gonna

909
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: come away from that. I do like Dart again more

910
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: than most people do. He's not a first round quarterback.

911
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: He's not a guy that I would take in the

912
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: top fifty, but maybe he shows enough that you get there.

913
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: So this quarterback class, it's tough, man, because there were

914
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: so many good ones last year and this year. Like

915
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver, last wide receiver was was incredibly loaded last year.

916
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's a top twenty wide receiver in

917
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: this draft. We'll see if some of these guys show out,

918
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's d n is interesting. And Mecca Agbuka,

919
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: who's unfortunately not gonna be in an ultra game, is

920
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: also another guy I think can sneak into that. But

921
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: it's not a great year for a number one wide

922
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: receiver when there were so many of them last year, Malikighbors,

923
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: you know, Brian Thomas included it, so so many good

924
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: receivers last year. And that's one of the things where

925
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: if you're a team that didn't get one last year

926
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: or didn't get a quarterback last year and this was

927
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: pretendos of the Giants, of course, do you force it

928
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: because oh man, we missed last year, we got to

929
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 2: try this year? Or can you can you be patient?

930
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: Can you play your board the way that you need to.

931
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: That's there's there's a few teams that are in that

932
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: boat this year, and I wonder what's gonna happen with

933
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: with guys like Milroe and dart Will Howard is another example.

934
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: Do they get overdrafted relative to where they are because

935
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: the thirst is there and the supply and demand just

936
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: the case they have.

937
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: To Yeah, I know he's in the games when you

938
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: brought him up. McMillan's a guy that to me, testing

939
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: will be important. How fast does he run? He reminds

940
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: me of a much more polished t Higgins when Higgins

941
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: came out, because he runs a much wider route tree

942
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: to me, But he has that type of size and

943
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: just the way he plucks the ball out of the air.

944
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: I think he's an extremely safe pick. Like, there's no

945
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: way he's a bus Is he going to be a star, No,

946
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: but he is going to be a very good NFL

947
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: player one way or the other.

948
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, and I think that. But

949
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: because he doesn't have that super high ceiling, does he

950
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: go top ten because some teams despent for a wide

951
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: receiver with some size, or does he fall into the

952
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty five range, which in this.

953
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: Class he did the top ten last year, he wouldn't.

954
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: Have Oh yeah, last year, I don't think he was

955
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: the first rounder just because of the depth of that.

956
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: I mean, Brian Thomas went what twenty second? Fantastic guy,

957
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: Like he's going to be one hundred catch fifteen hundred

958
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: yard guy next year, assuming that Jackson Loillgan is a

959
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: good coach. Yeah, there's again with the wide receivers here.

960
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: Ty Felton's a guy that I brought him up earlier.

961
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: He's the guy that I think can really show out

962
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: and make himself a lot of money. This week or

963
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl week, a Senior Bowl week, they're confluencing in.

964
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: My head, But I think do you think Quinn Yours

965
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: might make a late appearance in one of these All

966
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: Star Games? Or now?

967
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: I hope he does.

968
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: I think it would help if he did. To be

969
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: honest with you.

970
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: It can't hurt. I don't think he's draftable like it

971
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: felt like he was such a governor on the Texas offense,

972
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: like they had a lot more talented with it. Every

973
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: time they put arch Manning in a green horn like that.

974
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: Obviously he's got an incredible pedigree. If I like their

975
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: offense was better, I just don't. I don't see it

976
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 2: with yours. I would love to see him get into

977
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: one of these come for a couple of days. Throw

978
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: the guys, Do you have an arm? Can you make

979
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: it into theatory? Throw? Are you gonna get sacked in

980
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: a one on one situation? Like it's tough man. He

981
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: just reminds me of a lower end Canny Pickett, And

982
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: I don't have any interest in drafting that.

983
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: Don't you think he's going to be like a third

984
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: round pick though, what all said and done, I do.

985
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: I think he's going to get drafted just because he's

986
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: he's Quin Yours. You know, he's Texas. He won. Did

987
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: they win because of him?

988
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I think so got it all right? Any other All

989
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: Star Game or draft thoughts draft that you want to

990
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: get out there before we say goodbye.

991
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: Just there are a couple of games that are going

992
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: on this weekend, and I'm always interested in the guys

993
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: to get promoted from the Tropical Bowl from the Colusion

994
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: alls right for yeah, google Bull. Last year, a guy

995
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: who's a wide receiver Coker for the Panthers, worked his

996
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: way up from Bowl to Bowl to the Bowl, proved

997
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: he belonged every time, still didn't get drafted. He was

998
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: a top one hundred talent in that draft. Who's the

999
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: guy that steps up this year? I'll tell you what.

1000
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: There's there's an offensive lineman from Western Michigan who's playing

1001
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: his way up this year. I want to see what

1002
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: he happens. A local guy for mean, I can't think

1003
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: of his name. I actually know his asient. I talked

1004
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: to him this sport. Feel bad about that, But watch

1005
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: those guys who get promoted from those weeks because most

1006
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: of the time they prove that they deserve it, that

1007
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: they just didn't get the spotlight or whatever. So keep

1008
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: an eye on those guys when they get called up

1009
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: to the Shrine, and I think the shrine has some

1010
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: room for some of those guys too.

1011
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: All right, final question and we'll wrap with this. I've

1012
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: been trying to do more of these kind of rapid

1013
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: fire questions. Give me your rank your top three position

1014
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: groups at the Senior Bowl. You could start at three

1015
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: and count down to one. Which would be your best.

1016
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: I think I think defensive back, offensive line, and tight end. Uh,

1017
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: tight end is incredible. Wide receiver blogs in there too, though, probably.

1018
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: The line man. We talked about that group.

1019
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's good Senior ball. It really is. Again,

1020
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: you don't have because the quarterbacks aren't there. You don't

1021
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: get the sizzle of like when when Baker Mayfield and

1022
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: Josh Allen were there or Justin Herbert was there. But

1023
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 2: the trenches, man, it's gonna be it's gonna be a fun,

1024
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: fun pindrill down there.

1025
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna follow up. Then give me your

1026
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: give me your top three prospects that are top five

1027
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: prospects you're most excited to see in Mobile.

1028
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: So Felton is one, Scarleton is one, Schimar Turner is one.

1029
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: From Texas, A and M. Again, we're trying to Ferret,

1030
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: Which which which one's better?

1031
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: Jamar Stewart learn the name girls.

1032
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bo is one from Purdue Membo. I like Membo

1033
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: a lot. I think he's gonna do really well down there,

1034
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: so he put him up there.

1035
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. Jeff, good stuff, my friend. I'll

1036
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: see you down there. Look forward to it in a

1037
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and safe travels.

1038
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: I'm just hoping that the weather's warmer. I'm looking out

1039
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 2: my window right now. I live on the west coast

1040
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: of Michigan. I look across and the Illinois in Illinois

1041
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: Wisconsin border is straight across the water. It's currently twenty

1042
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: six degrees and we're expecting to get twelves at eighteen

1043
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: inches of snow this weekend with a high temperature of five.

1044
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: I hope it's above fifty down there when it getsbile,

1045
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: because I'll be the guy in shorts.

1046
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: I can't promise you it's going to be warm. I

1047
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: can promise you it won't be colder than what you're

1048
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: going through right now, So.

1049
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: That's going to be great.

1050
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: I think you'll be okay. That's this episode of the

1051
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: Gizontal Podcast, brought to you by citizens Official Bank of

1052
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: the Giants for Jefferson, I'm jodsh Bulk. We'll see next time, buddy,