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Speaker 1: Uh. Today I am joined by Joseph.

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Speaker 2: Lamanna and we will be breaking down the big news

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Speaker 2: Already, you know, known about this. You may have heard

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Speaker 2: I think a big note here is that not everything

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Speaker 2: welcome on and big news. We've talked about PGA Tour structure,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Andy, thanks for having me. We have been you

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Speaker 2: do there. And that's the opportunity. Like I had spoken

436
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Speaker 2: to me by someone that was like kind of privy

437
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 2: to a lot of the information that they stated that, Hey,

438
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: our idea is that all of these all these events

439
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: are going to be like major championships. I don't believe

440
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 2: that all the regular Championship Series events are not going

441
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: to be like majors. I'm sorry, they just aren't. But

442
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: if you can get a couple of them to elevate

443
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: significantly from where they are, and I think like the

444
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: easy ones to look at are this season ending championship

445
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: where the relegation happens. That's going to be musty TV

446
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: for golf fans, and then the events right after that,

447
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: those are your real opportunities.

448
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: And then the continued ascension of the players.

449
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: Well, first, yeah, do I think the Travelers and events

450
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: like it are going to ultimately become more like majors? No,

451
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: But the no cut events were not working. I don't

452
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: think anybody was satisfied with watching no cut events. So

453
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: simply expanding the fields and having a cut those those

454
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: events will already rise in stature. But to your point,

455
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: the key to all of this is the Tour Championship,

456
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: where and that the Tour Championship suddenly becomes this really

457
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 3: incredible spectacle that guys care about winning, that fans care

458
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: about watching, which, frankly, it's not a high bar to

459
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: exceed what we currently have where I think basically now

460
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: nobody cares about the Tour Championship. I don't think anybody's satisfied,

461
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 3: the players, sponsors, networks, certainly fans. Let's just say, Andy,

462
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: it becomes awesome, and I don't know how many guys

463
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: you know. I think you've said maybe it'll be thirty two,

464
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: but let's say it's sixteen whatever. It's going to be

465
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: really important if it's a great tournament for those golfers

466
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: to be one of those top however many guys, and

467
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: then that works backwards, that informs your schedule. If you're

468
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: forty fifth in the standings, now there's more urgency around.

469
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: I need to play in these tournaments and I need

470
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: to play well because I want to get into the

471
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: tour Championship. And then and the other part of this

472
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: that we haven't really hit on is I think this

473
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: is way better for up and coming players because right

474
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: now a huge issue that doesn't get enough probably airwave,

475
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: is if you're like a top let's say you're KFT

476
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: guy who gets onto the PGA Tour. Now with this

477
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: non signature signature model that we currently have, your starts

478
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: aren't guaranteed, and these guys have a lot of weeks

479
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: they're going by where they have nowhere to play, and

480
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: then you get sponsor exemptions. Like you know, we've highlighted

481
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 3: some high profile ones in signature events. These guys have

482
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: a baked in massive advantage in keeping their tour cards.

483
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: But under the new system, if you're one of these

484
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: guys that qualifies either through this Challenger series or you know,

485
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: we'll see how they iron out some of the exemption criteria.

486
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: That's still a TVD. But let's say you're one of

487
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: the top twenty guys that gets promoted. You now have

488
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: a full schedule the next season, the same schedule as

489
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: Scotti Scheffler, the same schedule as Rory McElroy. You have

490
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: an equal chance to keep your tour card and that

491
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: is a massive, massive step in the right direction for

492
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: some of this up and coming talent.

493
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the in between stuff with the tour

494
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: was like the real issue with the current system is

495
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: I you know, you have this great moment. You know,

496
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: you think about the example you use of a corn

497
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: fairy tour, like a player earning their card. Imagine you know,

498
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: you're twenty five year old who's worked the last three

499
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: years your tail off to get to the PGA Tour

500
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: card PGA Tour, and you get your card and you're

501
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: so excited and then it's like, Okay, welcome to the tour.

502
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: You get to play once in the first six events,

503
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: and this was like a reality the last few years

504
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: of of the of these young players is like, oh,

505
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: I don't even know when when I can play. And

506
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: the issue is like you can't then just go down

507
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: and play corn Fairy Tour events. You know, you can't

508
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: there there's no way up in between. And I think

509
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: this is like a really wonderful aspect of the of

510
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: the new structure is how clean it is. You're up here,

511
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: you're down here, and and that's the way it works,

512
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: and and you know, I think it provides more clarity

513
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: to the Corn Fairy Tour. You're getting a card that

514
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: goes to this the PGA Tour Challenger Series, and you're

515
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: at that point you're one of the two hundred and

516
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: fifty three hundred best players in the world, and you're

517
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: going to be able to like I think like where

518
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: the tour really was struggling to with, like the you

519
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: kind of promise to players. You had the PGA Tour,

520
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: which was roughly two hundred and twenty players, and if

521
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: you're up there, you had no unless you're a top

522
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: sixty player, you had no like expectation of like when

523
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: I get to work, So I don't know when I'm

524
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: really going to get to work and where I'm going

525
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: to get to work, but I'm going to earn a

526
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: living if I'm on the PGA Tour. If you're on

527
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: the corn Faery Tour, which is at this point the

528
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: pre eminent feeder tour to the top tour, if you're

529
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: the fiftieth ranked player on the corn Faery Tour, you

530
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: are not going to be able to make a living,

531
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: and they they have forever been. You know, the kind

532
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: of theory behind it is like you don't earn a

533
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: living if you're on the corn Faery Tour.

534
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: We do not want that to be a destination tour.

535
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: I think what works really well with the new system

536
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: is you have this clear demarcation of one hundred and

537
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: twenty players. It's one hundred and thirty players that are

538
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: going to be on the Championship Tour. These are going

539
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: to be one hundred and thirty best golfers in the world,

540
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: minus the few live players that would fall into that bucket.

541
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: From there, that tour below is going to be the

542
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: clear place to work your way to that top tier

543
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: tour and with persons in like that four million dollar mark,

544
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: you're going to make a living there. If you're a

545
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: good player there, you are going to be able to

546
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: continue to pursue your professional golf dreams from that tour

547
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: and invest in yourself. You're going to be able to

548
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: hire a team. If you're a corn fairy Tour player

549
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: and you want to approach golf the way a PGA

550
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: Tour player is approach golf, and you're not one of

551
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: the top twenty five thirty guys, you're going to hemorrhage money.

552
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: And I think this is the beauty of this system

553
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: is that you're going to have like they have actually

554
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: expanded the number of people who can make a living

555
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: playing professional golf with the PGA Tour, and I think

556
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: overall for the golf ecosystem, that is a really good thing.

557
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was looking at it this morning. I think

558
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: it's it's somewhere around having in front of me one

559
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty guys so far this year who who

560
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: have had five or more starts on the PGA Tour,

561
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: not including majors, Like that number is gonna go up

562
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: because you're gonna be spreading out, all right, there's gonna

563
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: be you know not, there's gonna be bigger fields. So

564
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: that's more opportunities. And then these guys who are getting

565
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: blocked right now not having as many opportunities to get

566
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: starts there, they're all all of a sudden gonna have

567
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: more clarity around their schedules. And Andy I wrote about

568
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: this for the Friday newsletter. But I think that the

569
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: poster child of who this system is currently failing, or

570
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: one of them, is to hian Yellamraju, who did exactly

571
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: what you described. He worked his way up through the

572
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: corn Ferry Tour. This guy's been grinding for years in

573
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: mini tours Canada, turns pro at nineteen, then he plays

574
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 3: two years on the corn Ferry Tour, gets his PGA

575
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: Tour card and plays well. He's been playing well this year.

576
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: He finished top ten at the Players. He's having a

577
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: pretty good year. I'm not saying this is one of

578
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: the best players in the world, but he did exactly

579
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: what he's supposed to do as a developmental tour player,

580
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: comes up, gets his tour card and now he a

581
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: lot of weeks he doesn't have anywhere to play in

582
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: this past week at the Travelers Championship. You know, Sadarshan enters.

583
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: I think he's forty six than the FedEx Cup standings

584
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: first alternate some other guys who are you know, higher

585
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: profile names, Tony Finow, Jordan Spief. They get sponsor exemptions.

586
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: Sadarsian's having a much better season than those two guys,

587
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: are you know, by any any metric you want to

588
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: look at. Sadarsian's playing better, But they get this free

589
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: attempt at FedEx Cup points and a better ability to

590
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: keep their card. They're making money for that start there,

591
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: getting valuable reps in that Sedarsian needs. Is it you know,

592
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 3: I don't know, you want to boil the whole case

593
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: down to one name like that. But this new system

594
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: will serve Sedarshan better because now when he finishes and

595
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: he's exempt onto this top championship series, he gets a

596
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: whole schedule in front of him, and it is it

597
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: is really important that those guys get reps, they get dollars,

598
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 3: they get all the perks that are involved in being

599
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: on the championship series, and they were being failed by

600
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: the current system. So I think you look at a

601
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: case like that and it's pretty easy to understand why

602
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: the PGA Tour had a problem on its hands and

603
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 3: how this solution is a little bit better.

604
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the Tour Championship. I

605
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: think this is kind of the shiny carrot that has

606
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 2: drawn a lot of the discourse since this announcement. From

607
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: what I gather, the kind of general idea that they're

608
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: working off of right now is thirty two players will

609
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: make the Tour Championship, and it will be a two

610
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: week final playoff system effectively, and the first week will

611
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 2: be World Cup style pool play four players, eight groups,

612
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: two players advancing to a sixteen person bracket at a

613
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: great golf facility where they'll play match play throughout to

614
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: crown a PGA Tour season champion.

615
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: Sorry, how do you think? How do you think the

616
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: first week works? It's like round robin match play and

617
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: the top two earners come out of it. Is that

618
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: what they're talking about.

619
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: I think that's from what I've gathered from a few people,

620
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: is kind of what's been floating around. Is the general

621
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: working idea is that it would be like a lot

622
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: like the World Cup right now, which going through pool

623
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: stage where it's like, okay, we have eight groups of

624
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: four for the thirty two and the top two players

625
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: from each pool will come out into a group of

626
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: sixteen match play. You know, obviously this can change. This

627
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: was not part of the announcement. This is kind of

628
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: just the scuttle butt just in general, a real quick

629
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: before we get into this, like before we get into

630
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: the thoughts. A big part of I think the emphasis

631
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: of this new tour structure is going to be around,

632
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: especially at the championship level, getting the best players in

633
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: the world playing the best possible venues. The regular venues

634
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: are going to be, you know, where they can where

635
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: you can host big, big professional golf tournaments. So thenk

636
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 2: courses that have the infrastructure for grandstands like your typical

637
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: PGA Tour, big time event. This series is much more

638
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: like we want to make this for TV. This is

639
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: not a for on site spectator product. This is a

640
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: made for TV product. So think about more intimate maybe

641
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: situations where you don't have any infrastructure built out other

642
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: than TV, no grandstands, no ropes, kind of set up

643
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: where you know the venues are really you open yourself

644
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: up way more to venues and one of the ideas

645
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: with match play is that maybe you're able to entice

646
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: some great golf courses because they aren't worried about the

647
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: tour pros coming out and shooting, hanging in a bunch

648
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: of low sixties numbers and them getting Craig ranched.

649
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: You know where. Oh, this isn't testing.

650
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Speaker 2: Match play allows for you know, Hey, if I just

651
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: go out and watch a ten birdie versus eight birdie

652
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: match between Scottie Scheffler and Sam Burns, I'm thrilled. That

653
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: was one of the coolest matches I'm not thinking about.

654
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 2: They probably both shot sixty two. This golf course can't

655
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: hold up type thing. So that's the idea, the working

656
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: idea that I've heard from a few people about the

657
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: Tour Championship or the playoff format. I keep saying Tour

658
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: champion the playoff format. What are your your general you

659
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: know thoughts of that idea?

660
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: Very positive, Andy, I think, especially given how much of

661
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 3: an emphasis our company it tends to have on venues

662
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: and golf courses. We often go through the exercise of

663
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: you know where, would you like to see this professional

664
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Speaker 3: golf event stage or a rider future Rider Cup future

665
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: US opens that don't have the US Open on the books,

666
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: And every time we go through that exercise, it's like,

667
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 3: there's nowhere you can go that it has the tournament infrastructure,

668
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: like to have all of the things required to host

669
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Speaker 3: a tournament. Every time I go through that exercise, I

670
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: kind of throw my hands in the air and it's like,

671
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: I don't know where they can go that that doesn't

672
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: currently exist, which I guess. Then you land on, well

673
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 3: they should build more venues, which I do still believe,

674
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: but what you're describing, it's like, well, now we can

675
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: open up a bunch of potentially prestigious venues if we

676
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: don't have to have that tournament infrastructure. You don't have

677
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: to have a driving range that has one hundred bays

678
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: and is three hundred and fifty yards long, and you know,

679
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: room for a bunch of grand stands that doesn't completely

680
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: compromise the golf course. So I'm cautiously optimistic. I do

681
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: think one part of this that maybe wasn't part of

682
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Speaker 3: the plan or hasn't been discussed, is do you build

683
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: in any kind of advantage for the top players. I'm

684
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 3: fascinated to see if the tour does that, because pretty

685
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 3: much every sport, like there is an advantage to finishing

686
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: first in the standings like NFL as home court or

687
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: home field, NBAS home court. I do wonder if the

688
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: if the PGA Tour is going to try to adopt

689
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 3: anything like that. I actually think they should. I don't

690
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: know what that solution would be, whether you give the

691
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: guys like a half a shot advantage in the match

692
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: play or something, but I worry a little bit that

693
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: we're going to get super fired up about match play

694
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: and then given the high variance nature of the format,

695
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: like the seventeen seed versus the thirty first seed is

696
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: in the finals and we're kind of like, well, congrats

697
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 3: on the new format, but this isn't what fans really envisioned.

698
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: I do think there should be probably some kind of

699
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: built in advantage for the top guys, but you know,

700
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: like people have said that match play that's part of

701
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: the spirit of the sport. You're not always going to

702
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: get the top guys. But yeah, Obron very excited. I

703
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: just think there are some details that need to be

704
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: ironed out.

705
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: I always am amazed when you look at, you know,

706
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: the FedEx Cup standings, we get beat over the head

707
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: with them as golf fans just just smashed over the

708
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: head from Week one of PGA Tour Golf. I am

709
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: always kind of amazed though, when you look at it

710
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: at the end of the year how it shakes out

711
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, you know, the top thirty they

712
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: it was right, like those were the thirty best players.

713
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: I do see.

714
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: What you're saying, though, is like what a nightmare would

715
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: be on It's not a nightmare, but you know, worst

716
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 2: case scenario, you get a you know, a final match

717
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: of for the you know playoffs of Chris right Tan

718
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: versus Alex Smalley, you know, du which could absolutely happen,

719
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, and that right now, as it stands today,

720
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: would be sixteen versus twenty one.

721
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, like the thing about match play,

722
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: right is like anything happen.

723
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: I always found it humorous when we had the match

724
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 2: Play tournament, you know that you had this like, oh,

725
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: like the sixty four seed beat the number one seed.

726
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: How crazy is that. It's like, well, it's not crazy

727
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: at all, you know. This is like, this is not

728
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 2: like the SCAA tournament. This is you know, there's such

729
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: a marginal difference between their talent level and what golf,

730
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: thrives on is that over the course of four round

731
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: championship golf of twenty events a year, so you're talking

732
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: over eighty rounds of golf. This is how it eventually

733
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: shakes out as to who the best players are. And

734
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: the margin on a per round basis is so small,

735
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: but in the totality, much like baseball, of this long season,

736
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 2: the difference becomes like very evident.

737
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Speaker 1: So when you boil.

738
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Speaker 2: It down to a single match, it is very, very

739
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: very like the variance. You could put some college kids

740
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: in there and there'd be a potential for like, you know,

741
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: the number two guy on LSU to beat Scotti Scheffler

742
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: on a given day. Is that it's not like a

743
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: lot of other sports in that sense.

744
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: And the other piece that I'm sure Brian Rolapp is

745
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: thinking about is if you could build in just a

746
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: small advantage for the top guys, it would make them.

747
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: It would incentivize them to show up to your other

748
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: events and care about them. Right now, like Rory McRoy

749
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: has played, Andy knew how many non majors Andy that

750
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 3: Rory has played in this PGA Tour schedule five six,

751
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 3: He's played six times this PGA tour season, and he

752
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, he can roll out of bed and make

753
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 3: it into the top six or four of the FedEx

754
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: Cup no matter how many events he plays. But you

755
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: do want to get those top guys caring about being

756
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: a top four seed or a top eight seed. So

757
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: I am fascinated to see if they build in some

758
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: kind of advantage. Yes, match play, you know who cares

759
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 3: if it's twelve or seventeen. That's the nature of match play. Sure,

760
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 3: but I think there would be some additional benefits from

761
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: naturally incentivizing these guys to show up during the season

762
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: if you build in some little advantage to the top players.

763
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: But maybe they won't even do that, and they'll just say, hey,

764
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: if you're in the top thirty two, you have an

765
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: equal chance. We'll see how it shakes out.

766
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: I think i'd be okay with either one. And I

767
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: think like the thing too here that I think is important.

768
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: Everybody's going to expect this thing to be a home

769
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: run right away, but they're introducing this new whole format

770
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: they need to be and I think they will be

771
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: like open to making tweaks as you go along. One thing,

772
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: I'd be curious your thoughts on are what if the

773
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: advantage of say finishing in the top eight was that

774
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: you get a guaranteed admittance to the finals where you're

775
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: a top eight seed, you're one of the top eight seeds,

776
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: and then everybody playing in is playing. There's only eight spots.

777
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: You have to win your stage to get out.

778
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: You know, sure, right, there's fives in the NFL for

779
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: being one of the top seeds and you get an

780
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: extra week of rest. If that's the direction they choose

781
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: to go, I'd be completely fine with that.

782
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: That's just generally a thought.

783
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, this is a this is

784
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: a wonderful, wonderful opportunity because you know, you get some

785
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: sort of and listen, like ESPN had floated, they've since

786
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: pulled it out of the story that that it was

787
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: like Pine Valley Cypher's point potential for this final event.

788
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: I think that's a little pie in the sky.

789
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: I'm just like I would just generally say that, like

790
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: you're long established USGA venues, your Shinnecocks of the world,

791
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: your Pebbles, your I mean Pebble obviously has a pghur event,

792
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: but your Pinehurst, those are probably going to be off

793
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: the table because the USGA is going to say, we

794
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: don't want this to be similar to a championship that

795
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: we're hosting. I would be looking at, like, what are

796
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: the best golf courses that don't host USGA events as

797
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: my list of like these are the ones that we

798
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: should go, we should be targeting to go. I saw

799
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: Seminole was floated. I don't think that's going to work

800
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: in August, South Florida, but maybe it will. So that

801
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: would be just generally, So that's the general structure.

802
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: As you've looked at it.

803
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: What are some kind of red flags of this system

804
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 2: that you've identified things that hey, like I might like

805
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: to see this or that be different.

806
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: I think they're a decent number of them, and there's

807
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: small details, but the small details really matter in a

808
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 3: system like this. So I think the biggest the biggest

809
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 3: piece of blowback you're probably gonna get is the lack

810
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: of mid season promotion and that if you are on

811
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: track to this Challenger Series, it is very difficult to

812
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 3: make your way up to Track one in the middle

813
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: of the season, and so you have the potential of

814
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: guys getting stuck. You have to win twice in the

815
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: Challenger Series to move up or win a major championship,

816
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's out of the realm of

817
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: possibilit that we basically never see that that that might

818
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: happen like once every ten years where somebody from the

819
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: Challenger Series wins twice in a season and moves up

820
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: or wins a major championship. So I think that's some

821
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: blowback you'll get. My counter would be, well, at least

822
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: at the end of that year, then the next year

823
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: they have the full schedule. They're fully exempt onto the

824
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: top series, the Championship Series, which is not the way

825
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: it works now, as we've already talked about, Like now

826
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: you could do really well on track two, and you're

827
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: playing with a massive disadvantage once you get up to

828
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: the next level because y' all these limited starts. So

829
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 3: that's one big piece of blowback I think you'll get.

830
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm a little worried about this idea of abandoning some

831
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: of these small markets and going to these big markets

832
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: and the gamble that that is. I think some of

833
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: these small markets have served the tour pretty well, and

834
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: we have seen when you go to big markets sometimes

835
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: that the fans don't necessarily show up, and so I

836
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: wonder about a venue like Colonial, is that done? Is

837
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: if it's not a top tier event, is it? Do

838
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: they even want to be a second tier event? And

839
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: you know what elements of the PGA Tours history are

840
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: they potentially abandoning that was working really well. I have

841
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: some concern about that. And then I guess the other

842
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: piece would be that, you know, we're talking about ninety

843
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: guys keeping their card from the Championship Series and twenty

844
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: getting promoted from that second tier, which leaves about twenty

845
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 3: spots to figure out of who else is exempt. And

846
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: I think that's going to be really hard to figure

847
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 3: out exactly where those twenty spots get allocated. DP World

848
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 3: Tour guys, PGA Tour you guys, you know medical exemptions.

849
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: How that twenty gets filled out is a really big deal,

850
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: and I would I would really want to make sure

851
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: that we don't start capping opportunities for guys like on

852
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: PGA Tour you, because I think you want to get

853
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: them up as fast as possible.

854
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I to the last point. The devil is definitely

855
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: going to be in the details of how they shake this,

856
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: shake this whole thing out. And obviously the stakes are

857
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: so high you're talking about. You're playing on the top

858
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: tour for twenty plus million perses and you're gonna, you know,

859
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: like you're going to play for a lot of money

860
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: every week. If you get bumped down, you're playing for

861
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: a fifth at least a fifth of the money right

862
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: when you get bumped down.

863
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: I think, like, you know, figuring out.

864
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: How all of it works, Like there's got to be

865
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: a dp World Tour carve out where if you finish,

866
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 2: you know, in the top five or whatever it is,

867
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: you get bumped up. Yes, there has to be some

868
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: threshold of PGA Tour you and I think they can

869
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: probably easily do that based off of accumulating an x

870
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: number of points. The way that it works right now

871
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: is like qualification points is how Jackson Coyven earned his

872
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: card early. Like there has to be a point threshold.

873
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: Just because you finished number one doesn't mean you get

874
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: a card. You have to achieve x number to reach

875
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: this high level of golf. Otherwise you go into this

876
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: challenger circuit. For the way they do it, I think

877
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: like five spots should go into the challengers right now.

878
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: The top five, you.

879
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 2: Know, number one goes to the PGA Tour for two

880
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: through five go to the corn Ferry Tour like I would.

881
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: I like to so, But like Bench, these guys turn

882
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 3: pro in the summer, in the middle of the season.

883
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: So what would you do, Like with Ben James, for example, Andy,

884
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 3: would you give him because he's gonna be a huge

885
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: disadvantage if he just comes out into the Championship Series

886
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 3: halfway through the season. How would you figure that out?

887
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: So I would.

888
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: I would figure it out in the sense of, like,

889
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: the only people that earn the Championship Series are they

890
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: cleared this threshold, and it could be it could be

891
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: six players if they clear this high threshold of like

892
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: you're an all time college player, we're going to bump

893
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: you straight up to the Championship Series. It could be zero,

894
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: it could be five, it could be six, whatever, whatever

895
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: clear that threshold, they get a come up and then

896
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: they get in an additional year. Is the way I

897
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: would I would set it up. They're effectively like an

898
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: add on a bolt on to the tour for that half.

899
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: Year and then in full next year's status exactly.

900
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: And then for for the other people that then qualify

901
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 2: tip their typical PJ tour you route, I would send

902
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: them straight to the Challenger tour and they get that

903
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: same year and a half effectively like, hey, you could

904
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: go down there and kill it and earn your card,

905
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, you earn your high card or you but

906
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: at worst case you're here for the next year. But

907
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: then I think, like the big issue here is the

908
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 2: medical thing. Yeah, this, this is gonna be the hardest

909
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: thing to figure out. And I know that this is

910
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: not the most you know, fun, It's not gonna you know,

911
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: draw millions of eyeballs. But holy cal you are asking

912
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: for uh, you know, fake dives here, like you are

913
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: asking for you know what I've had, Like my shoulders

914
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: kind of bugging me, and I got off to bad,

915
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 2: you know, the first the first five starts were bad.

916
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: And I know, I'm I'm lost right now. I'm just

917
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna sit out the rest of the year.

918
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get my shoulder done and then I'm going

919
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: to work out and I and I'm going to get

920
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 2: out of this funk. Like this is is going to

921
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: be screaming the tour in their face.

922
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: And I don't know, with the with the setup.

923
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: Of tour players as individual contract independent contractors, I don't

924
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: know how you how you've solved this.

925
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 3: It's a hard issue. I can't wait for the fake

926
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 3: injury discussions. Yeah, the withdrawals that are a little suspect.

927
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, Andy, I don't know how many spots

928
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: they're going to allocate for this. But it's it's a

929
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 3: very serious challenge. And you think about somebody like will

930
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: z au Taurus or Justin Thomas, guys who you would say, hey,

931
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: if they're healthy like they do, they clearly should be

932
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 3: on that top circuit. But like when their injuries happen matters,

933
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: And if it's halfway through the season, this is going

934
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 3: to be a very complicated puzzle to solve and it

935
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 3: will be a controversial one because the stakes are pretty high.

936
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: Also, like, okay, let's just use it JT as an example.

937
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 2: He got the back the micro disectomy. Let's just say

938
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: he's he's three quarters of the way through the year

939
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: and it's a big problem. He has to go on

940
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: the shelf and he is on his way to earn

941
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: his status, but because he had to take the last

942
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: six events off, he ends up falling you know one,

943
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 2: you know whatever, one, o, two or whatever the number is,

944
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: and he does he loses his car technically loses his card,

945
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: but he gets these rehab starts, like he gets the

946
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: starts that he missed to earn the points, like as

947
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: they do.

948
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: It now, Like where do where do you go to

949
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: get ramped up?

950
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: Like if you have to take a year off, like

951
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: you're okay, Like I I need to get like back.

952
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: Like if you're a pitcher that's hurt in the Major

953
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: League Baseball, you go down to Triple A and you

954
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: throw some starts down there before you come up to

955
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: the big league.

956
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: Like there is a whole box of worms. I am

957
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,479
Speaker 1: not envious at all.

958
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: I think this is the honestly, of all the issues,

959
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: this is the most difficult one to figure out.

960
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: It is, And right now, the PGA Tour in the

961
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: signature event model sort of has this catch all. If

962
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 3: you're in the top thirty of the official World Golf

963
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 3: rankings and you're not already exempt, then you're in. And

964
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: that kind of solves some of these issues where, yeah,

965
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: if you're clearly one of the best players, you have

966
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 3: a great finish in a major and for whatever reason

967
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 3: you weren't in signature events, now you're in. This looks

968
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: like a total decoupling from any kind of OWGR criteria.

969
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: So that's not going to be the way to get

970
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: some of these guys in who you're going to have

971
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: to have a sound medical policy and that's going to

972
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 3: be very difficult.

973
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's made more difficult because they're independent contractors. Yeah,

974
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: like way more difficult because there's all sorts of loss

975
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 2: and legal things that you jump into because they're.

976
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: Contractors and not it's going to be great. It is.

977
00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 2: It is actually incredible for us in the content industry.

978
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: Let's just take a.

979
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: Quick break and talk about our first Friday golf event

980
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: at Pasa Tiempo, which is later this month. We have

981
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: a few spots remaining. I think this is a small handful,

982
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: but it's an opportunity to see one of the best

983
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: golf courses in the world. So come play twenty seven

984
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: holes at the Alsir McKenzie design, which was run in

985
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: valued by Jim Urbina in twenty twenty three and twenty

986
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: twenty four, and it's a great opportunity to make a

987
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: trip of it. The giants are playing both before and

988
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: after at one of the best ballparks in the world,

989
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: and you can add rounds at Pacific Grove Poppy Hills

990
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: or the Pebble Beach courses or the San Francisco courses.

991
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: This is a great one to bring your partner, whether

992
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: it's a mister or missus who enjoys food and wine.

993
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: You can also visit Big Sur in the central California

994
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 2: coast of wineries, or go up north the NAPA or Sonoma.

995
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: The World's your oyster there. I would wouldn't sleep on Marin.

996
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: That's a great place to visit too. You can find

997
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: out more information at Thefrida egg dot com slash events.

998
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to get to.

999
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: Your point about promotion relegation midseason, and this would be

1000
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: like if I was going to point out, like my

1001
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: number one issue with this system, I think this is it.

1002
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: You know, I just.

1003
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,479
Speaker 2: You know, by setting and this is a tricky thing,

1004
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: but like by setting a number, okay, you have to

1005
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: win twice and you get up, or you win a

1006
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: major and you get up, you're you're kind of missing

1007
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 2: the point of golf. Like in a way, like Scotty's

1008
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: the perfect encapsulation of this. Right now as we speak,

1009
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: he's one once, but he's by far and away clearly

1010
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: the best golfer in the world. You know if if

1011
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: you place Scotty down on the Challenge Tour and he

1012
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: had the same resume of you know, if you go

1013
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: through Scotty, Scotty's Scotty's you know results this year it's

1014
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: just basically a mirror out a single win and a

1015
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: myriad of top three or four finishes, like just over

1016
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: and over, like if I if I just run down,

1017
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna run down it real quick. He won

1018
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: his first start American Express T three, T four, T twelve,

1019
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: T twenty four, T twenty two second, second, second, T fourteen, third,

1020
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: T twelve, T four second. That's his starts this year.

1021
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: If you if you had that player on the Challenge Tour,

1022
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: it would be like, Okay, this guy is so good.

1023
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: He's so clearly one of the twenty best players in

1024
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: the world, and especially if he's doing this in majors.

1025
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: He's doing every thing but winning.

1026
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: Like what great golf is boiled down to is effectively consistency.

1027
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: Every player wants to be more consistent and like the

1028
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: barometer for success should always be rooted in consistency. And

1029
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: where my struggle here is that the the the promotion

1030
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: you can get and I hate to do this to

1031
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: a fellow LINEI.

1032
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: I hate to do this to a fellow LINI.

1033
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: But you could get a Brian Campbell situation where he

1034
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: wins twice, but he misses every cut in between, and

1035
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: it's like, wait a second, this isn't one of the

1036
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: best players of the world. He just like very like

1037
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: he just had the ball bounce his way twice. And

1038
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: the difference, you know you wanted a playoff, you want

1039
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: like it's I understand the trick here. The hard thing

1040
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: is you need to have like a very clear hurdle.

1041
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: This is what you have to do. But the backside

1042
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: of this, and the really hard backside of this is

1043
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: that when you do that, you miss the boat of

1044
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: what actually the picture is.

1045
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: So I actually will take the tour side on this one.

1046
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: It's a tricky issue. I think the solution they've landed

1047
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: on is fine, and I would take the other side

1048
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: of your argument, because yes, you might get stuck a

1049
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: little longer in this system than you would have the

1050
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 3: other way, but then you're going to be top twenty

1051
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: at the end of the year and you will have

1052
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: the full schedule next year and not be at a disadvantage.

1053
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: And there are a lot of complications to what you're describing.

1054
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: Let's say somebody can kind of move up mid season

1055
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: with some hot play, then they have to start deciding

1056
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: if they're going to play Championship Series events or Challenger

1057
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 3: Series events, and you might not get points for the

1058
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 3: Challenger Series if you're playing in the Championship Series. And

1059
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: then the same issue the tour always has to deal with,

1060
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: are we assigning enough? Is it a transferable currency between

1061
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 3: the two? How many should each one get? Like they

1062
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: are just choosing to abstract themselves from that problem, and

1063
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. And then you're

1064
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: Brian Campbell example, Let's say he wins twice and he

1065
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: would get up, But you think that somebody who's playing

1066
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: really consistently well, they should be the ones that are

1067
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: going to get up. They're both gonna get up the

1068
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 3: next year in this system, And to me, that's the

1069
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: actual that's the part that really matters. And if you're

1070
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 3: gonna have these one hundred and twenty man fields in

1071
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 3: a moving target of how many guys are playing hot

1072
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: enough to get up and in that also becomes really

1073
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: hard to run the tournaments on the Championship Series with

1074
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: the field size that's constantly changing. So honestly, I'm okay

1075
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: with it. It's a trade off, But I think the

1076
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: tour I think the tour solutions kind of okay.

1077
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: There can I present a massive issue that I just

1078
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Speaker 2: uncovered while you were talking and thinking, you know, like

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01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: this whole thing is rooted in being equitable at every level,

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01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: Like you have the ability to play the same events

1081
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: the major championships present actually a huge issue at the

1082
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: championship level because not out all the players are going

1083
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: to be you know, in the Masters, there's one hundred

1084
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: and thirty championship level players.

1085
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: In this new tour system.

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Speaker 2: The masters field is generally, you know, eighty five to

1087
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: ninety players, and a large portion of that field is

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: made up by amateurs and and uh past champions and

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01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: then national open champions from all around the world. So

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01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: you you inherently could have situations where like your earlier

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01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: example example Sedartion Yellow Miraju is not in these fields

1092
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: and he doesn't have the ability to earn points there.

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 2: What would be your your your point back on that.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think it's that big of a do.

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01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: You think the bridge that hey, you need to take

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01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: all one hundred and thirty players. I could see them

1097
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: doing that with like the PGA trying to do it

1098
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: the US Open and trying to do it with the Open,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know how amicable all those organizations would be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly don't see it as a huge issue.

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Speaker 3: Sadarsan goes out and he's not exempt into the Championship Series,

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Speaker 3: but he finishes top five at the US Open. As

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Speaker 3: long as you reward him on the Challenger Series with

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Speaker 3: a lot of points, then he's going to get up

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Speaker 3: the following season.

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Speaker 2: So I think you're misunderstanding. I'm saying, what if you

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Speaker 2: have a bottom tier championship player, Right, let's say you

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01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: don't have and I don't get the access to these events.

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01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: I'm actually playing at a disadvantage of I only get

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Speaker 2: to play twenty one of twenty five events.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh, you're saying the bottom end of the Championship series. Okay, yeah,

1112
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: I mean it's not going to be perfect, but I

1113
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 3: think they're going to have enough opportunities to keep they're

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01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: not gonna have. It's not gonna be completely apples to apples,

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01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 3: but it'll be way more apples to apples than it

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01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 3: currently is. And I think that if they play good golf,

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Speaker 3: they should be able to stay in that top ninety. Yeah,

1118
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 3: it's not perfect. The bigger issue that we haven't talked about,

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01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 3: and I'll just hit on quickly, but I think is

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Speaker 3: going to be a massive problem is that the top

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01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: guys cannot play in the lower in the in the

1122
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 3: Challenger series, which is fine. I understand why the PGA

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Speaker 3: Tour is making that decision, but this the way that

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Speaker 3: this impacts Major championship preparation is going to be a

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Speaker 3: significant significant talking players, you know, how do you set

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Speaker 3: the schedule around majors that guys want? Do they play

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01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 3: the week before major? Do they not play the week

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Speaker 3: before the major? The punchline is they're losing a lot

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Speaker 3: of flexibility. Versus having thirty five events, you can play

1130
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Speaker 3: any of them that you want. You can set your

1131
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 3: schedule around majors however you want. That's not going to

1132
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: exist in the current system, and I think that's going

1133
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: to make a lot of guys upset.

1134
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is the whole thing with LIB

1135
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: that's been like, where you have to play these events,

1136
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: and you know, do you if you have these events

1137
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: the week before and you don't like to play the

1138
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: week before. I like, I imagine a lot more players are

1139
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: going to take the rory approach to the Masters. Spend

1140
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 2: as much time as you possibly can there before. You know,

1141
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 2: if you have an event that you have to play

1142
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: the week before, and I was saying they will, you

1143
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: know you can't. You don't want to play it, Okay,

1144
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: so I sit out. Transversely, you're a player like Phil

1145
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: Mickelson famously like love playing the week before and and

1146
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: started to play really well in majors when you played.

1147
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: The week before.

1148
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: Now, Alison, you can't play the event the week before,

1149
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: or they start to schedule all these you know, like

1150
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 2: you imagine the heritage I imagine going to be after

1151
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: the Masters, Travelers is gonna be after the US Open.

1152
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: You're a player that just doesn't want to play the

1153
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: week after. Like there there's a whole box of rocks

1154
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: here with the with the scheduling, and I think, like

1155
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: what it's going to boil down to is like tough luck.

1156
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: You know.

1157
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball players, NBA players, NFL players don't get

1158
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 2: to choose the day of the week that they play.

1159
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: You have to go out there and be game ready

1160
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: whenever you play, and I think that's probably the right

1161
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: circumstance here, you know, Before we get out of here,

1162
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: the last thing I will I want to hit on

1163
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: is one of your points about about small markets or

1164
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 2: smaller markets. I don't you know, the tour doesn't really

1165
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: go to any like super I guess they go to

1166
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 2: some super small markets.

1167
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: Hilton Heads a strong deer. But the idea of.

1168
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 2: I think you're you're kind of right here when you

1169
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: I think there's like a chicken or egg situation here.

1170
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: You want the exposure that these big markets present. You

1171
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: want to be in them.

1172
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: It's good for the business, it's good.

1173
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 2: You know, the sponsorship opportunities in in New York or

1174
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: Chicago are greater than they are in you know, Jackson, Mississippi,

1175
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 2: or hilton Head, South Carolina. There, but there is like

1176
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 2: a just a general fan response, and we see it

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01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: with the travelers. Uh, you know, I've been using this

1178
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: a lot, but that was last week. It's just a

1179
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 2: good example. The PGA tour goes to Hartford and that's

1180
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 2: the biggest show in town every year, and people show

1181
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: out and show in in and there's huge local support,

1182
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: there's huge community support, and it makes the event better,

1183
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: and it's like the kind of grasp of the like

1184
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: what is the right balance there? And and you know what,

1185
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 2: and that is a big thing. I think, like one

1186
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: thing I have to say, the lack of global participation

1187
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: with events is also a big attraction here, and I

1188
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: it's a this is the hardest thing, this is the

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01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: hardest thing to do, and I think there I think

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Speaker 2: their general plan is that in the fall they're going

1191
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: to be going to these national opens and that's going

1192
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: to be They're hoping that the big players will go

1193
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: participate in that. But like, I think that, you know,

1194
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: there there has to be a commitment to growing the

1195
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: global audience in certain markets, and I just don't think

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01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: that this structure right now gets there. And I think

1197
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 2: that that, you know, I don't know what the right

1198
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 2: answer is, but the idea, like if I were like

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Speaker 2: if I were making a suggestion, I would say, like, Okay,

1200
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 2: we're going to host twenty twenty five events, and obviously

1201
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: some of them they don't host, the majors they don't host,

1202
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 2: but like, how do we get a rotating event in

1203
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: here that goes all over the world. That's a part

1204
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: of this and maybe one year it's in India, one year,

1205
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 2: it's in South Africa, one year it's in Australia, and

1206
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: we kind of float this around the world. One year

1207
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 2: it's in Ireland, one year it's in continell Europe, and

1208
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: we float this thing around and that becomes part of

1209
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: this and at least we're making a global effort at

1210
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: a bare minimum, and the idea over time is to

1211
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: scale it up, similar to the way that the NFL

1212
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: has done their global expansions.

1213
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 3: Like their mentality right now is well, instead of doing that,

1214
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 3: we're just gonna get out of the way in the

1215
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 3: fall and let some of those events thrive. And they've

1216
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 3: made this investment in the Australian Open maybe they try

1217
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 3: to build that up, but yeah, Andy, I mean, maybe

1218
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 3: an opportunity to do that would be the Tour Championship,

1219
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's probably the vision, but it'd

1220
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 3: be kind of cool if that event moved around. Like

1221
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 3: the one thing I had pie in the sky idea

1222
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 3: I had in my notes was that I think one

1223
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 3: area golf could tap into a little better is having

1224
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 3: events in the home countries of some of their stars.

1225
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 3: That is a very difficult thing to achieve but like

1226
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 3: if John Rahm is on the PGA Tour and he's

1227
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 3: one of your best players, like having an event in

1228
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: Spain or at a minimum building up the Spanish Open

1229
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 3: some way. I think there's some untapped potential in getting

1230
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,839
Speaker 3: guys to the home countries of some of the stars,

1231
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 3: But I don't know that the tour Championships the right

1232
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: way to do that.

1233
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it would be be remiss not

1234
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: to mention that. I think the lack of global participation

1235
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 2: or in global inclusion, I think a lot of people

1236
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 2: would be willing to participate. The lack of global inclusion

1237
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: is kind of a red flag, and I you know,

1238
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that they start to kind of address that

1239
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: over time and maybe that that's the way is you

1240
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: get people bought in on this is this is the way,

1241
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: and you start to slowly integrate it to where you know,

1242
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 2: maybe Jacksonville's just moving to London, you know, in the NFL.

1243
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 3: We'll see. I don't know, they couldn't make Capellua work.

1244
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 3: Capalua was too logistically difficult, so I don't know how

1245
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 3: optimistic I am that they're going to make Australia work.

1246
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: But we'll see.

1247
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 2: All right, So those are kind of our our pros

1248
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 2: and cons of this, I think overall, like I'm super

1249
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 2: positive of the changes, You're super positive of the changes.

1250
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: Any parting thoughts, this all.

1251
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 3: Boils down to the success that to our championship, Like

1252
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 3: it's already a step in the right direction, But the

1253
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 3: keys all this working is picking cool venues, the format

1254
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 3: being good. Like if that falls flat, then I think

1255
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 3: a lot of this is sort of moot and it's

1256
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 3: still probably a step in the right direction. But the

1257
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 3: real unlocking all the value is building a bad ass

1258
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: tour championship that has to be the crown jewel of

1259
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 3: the tour, even more than the Players Championship. So I'll

1260
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: reserve a lot of thoughts until we see what that

1261
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 3: looks like. But that is the case, that's the Bowld

1262
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 3: case for why this is all going to work out

1263
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 3: really well.

1264
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're right because if that

1265
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: the better, that is the better the trickle down effect

1266
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 2: is into every single event because then every single event

1267
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: carries more importance because of your ability to get to

1268
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 2: that season finale event.

1269
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, all.

1270
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: Right, Joseph, as always, big thanks for coming on. Everybody

1271
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: should go read you're writing in the Frida Egg Golf

1272
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: newsleg newsletter on a weekly basis, and uh, you're going,

1273
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: You're going abroad, You're about to board a plane. I

1274
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: can't wait to get your thoughts on Royal Birkdale. You're

1275
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 2: you're on a on a solo mission, a rare solo

1276
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: Fried Egg mission.

1277
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 3: Here your solo mission. I'm really excited. I think there's

1278
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 3: a diversity opinions on Royal Birthday and I have a

1279
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 3: pretty open mind about the golf course, so I'm excited

1280
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 3: to see it for myself and inform some thoughts in

1281
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 3: advance of the Open and Royallytham and st Anne so

1282
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 3: for the Women's Open. So looking forward to it.

1283
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: Looking forward to hearing how your trip goes. And thanks

1284
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: as always for coming on. Safe travels.

1285
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 1: Thanks Andy all Right, big.

1286
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 2: Thanks to Joseph for joining before his travel yonder. A

1287
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: big thanks to PJ. Clark for editing and producing today's show.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with a new episode.