WEBVTT - “I Was A Stranger and You Welcomed Me”

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone just say their name.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm starting with your.

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<v Speaker 3>Doors White from Alma, Alma United.

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<v Speaker 4>Ian Rankin from Knox Presbyteria.

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<v Speaker 1>John Carston's Gail Presbyterian Church in Elmira, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Lilianda Rankin, married to Ian rank.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Joyce Gladwell and unfortunately my husband is no long living,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was very active. I'll be from Elmara in

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<v Speaker 3>Gail Church.

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<v Speaker 1>I went home to Canada to visit my mother a

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<v Speaker 1>while back, and I asked her to invite a group

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<v Speaker 1>of her friends over, so she did. They all showed

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<v Speaker 1>up on a March afternoon. Three school teachers, a flight attendant,

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<v Speaker 1>a family therapist, all somewhere between their late seventies and

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<v Speaker 1>early nineties, all long retired. They sat drinking my mother's

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<v Speaker 1>tea around her dining room table and tried to remember

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<v Speaker 1>the time three strangers arrived in our little town in

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<v Speaker 1>southern Ontario. You know the famous story about my father

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<v Speaker 1>picking people up in Ordle make this up and driving

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<v Speaker 1>so quickly from the airport that they were terrified by

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<v Speaker 1>the time they rock. He was a man of a

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<v Speaker 1>heavy foots, this crazy englishman. We were talking about December

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nine, when my brothers and I were teenagers,

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<v Speaker 1>too young at the time to truly understand acts of

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<v Speaker 1>kindness and how they work.

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<v Speaker 6>I think people stepped up when they felt there was

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<v Speaker 6>something that they could do. And that's why, to go

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<v Speaker 6>back to your other question, who helped? A whole bunch

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<v Speaker 6>of people helped me, and they came up because they felt, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I can do it that I had.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History,

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<v Speaker 1>my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood This episode is

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<v Speaker 1>about the time my parents and a group of their

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<v Speaker 1>friends agreed to sponsor three refugees from Vietnam, a teenager

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<v Speaker 1>named Vaughan, his older o King, and a young woman

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<v Speaker 1>named Lelan. Three strangers who showed up on our doorstep

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<v Speaker 1>one day.

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<v Speaker 2>How many people were in your group in total?

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<v Speaker 6>That's almost an impossible question to ask, because if you

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<v Speaker 6>look at it, when we would have a meeting, what

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<v Speaker 6>we might have ten people at the most.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's the people who.

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<v Speaker 6>Were out behind giving the money.

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<v Speaker 2>The people who were there.

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<v Speaker 6>When they came were totally different people.

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<v Speaker 1>Their group didn't have a name. It wasn't a legal entity.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone said. The minister of my parents' church, a man

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<v Speaker 1>named Jack Boyne, was one of the ringleaders. But Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Boyne didn't do the paperwork acquired by the government. That

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<v Speaker 1>was someone else, and lots of other churches were involved

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Around my mother's dining room, the details were

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<v Speaker 1>vague because they were vague back then. These were ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>people going about a big task by ordinary means.

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<v Speaker 7>And the potlarks and pot larks, and there were a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of people there.

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<v Speaker 1>In the small towns of southern Ontario. Nothing of any

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<v Speaker 1>consequence is accomplished without potlocked dinners. There are an estimated

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<v Speaker 1>twenty million refugees in the world whose lives had been

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<v Speaker 1>uprooted by one crisis after another, the Russian war against Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>the US retreat from Afghanistan, the obliteration of Syria. Every

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<v Speaker 1>era has its own humanitarian crises, and in the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies, the attention of the world was on Southeast Asia.

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<v Speaker 1>After the end of the Vietnam War, when the Communists

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<v Speaker 1>took over what had been South Vietnam, the new government

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<v Speaker 1>turned on the country's ethnic Chinese. Eight hundred thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>fled Vietnam, escaping across the Gulf of Thailand in overcrowded boats.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere between two hundred and four hundred thousand of them

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<v Speaker 1>died at sea. The survivors were called boat people. In response,

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<v Speaker 1>a group of Canadian religious organizations approached the Canadian government

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<v Speaker 1>with an idea. The pool of people the Canadian refugee

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<v Speaker 1>system deemed worthy of resettlement was clearly much larger than

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<v Speaker 1>the pool of people the government was actually willing to

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<v Speaker 1>let in. So why not let private citizens handle the overflow,

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<v Speaker 1>Let small groups of people get together bring refugees into

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<v Speaker 1>their communities and take responsibility for finding them homes and jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea wasn't to replace the government's own formal refugee system,

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<v Speaker 1>but too augmented.

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<v Speaker 8>That was a real sticking point in the early years.

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<v Speaker 8>A lot of groups said, we don't want to do

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<v Speaker 8>something that we think the government should be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Brian Dyke, who works with the Mennonite Central Committee

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<v Speaker 1>and the Refugee Hub at the University of Ottawa.

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<v Speaker 8>So they talked about what we often call additionality. This

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<v Speaker 8>has to be in addition to what the government is

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<v Speaker 8>doing already. It's a principle I think the Government of

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<v Speaker 8>Canada continues to hold you.

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<v Speaker 1>The result is that in recent years, the number of

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<v Speaker 1>refugees who come to Canada with private support dwarfs the

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<v Speaker 1>number who come in through official channels, and Canada currently

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<v Speaker 1>resettles more refugees on a per capita basis than almost

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<v Speaker 1>any other country in the world. The Vietnamese refugees who

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<v Speaker 1>came to my hometown, Kang Vaughan and Lelan, were both

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<v Speaker 1>people in nineteen seventy nine. They were all in a

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<v Speaker 1>camp on a tiny island off the coast of Malaysia.

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<v Speaker 9>This is about one kilomeda square and about forty thousand

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<v Speaker 9>Vietnamese refuge I live in that island, so very small.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Vaughan Wuyn remembering this story. How long were you

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<v Speaker 1>in that camp.

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<v Speaker 4>As?

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<v Speaker 9>Then that came for ten months, from January until October.

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<v Speaker 1>Then in the fall they got word they'd been accepted

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<v Speaker 1>to Canada through the private route sponsored by the Rankins.

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<v Speaker 1>Doris White, Joan Carstan's and my parents and all the

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<v Speaker 1>others who came to the potluck dinners in our little

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<v Speaker 1>town in southern Ontario. Tell me about arriving in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that like?

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<v Speaker 9>Happy, sad, loneley, and worry. Happy because I have a

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<v Speaker 9>contree to accept me. So they opened the door and

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<v Speaker 9>accept a refugee, and I can stack a new life, freedom,

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<v Speaker 9>so I don't have to worry about my past in

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<v Speaker 9>Vietnam or I live in the Kim Sad because I

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<v Speaker 9>still help my father and my auther brothers and to

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<v Speaker 9>assist those there and Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy, sad, lonely and worry. I remember Vaughn and his

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<v Speaker 1>brother from that year. They ended up at my high

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<v Speaker 1>school walking the halls in clothes they had been given

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<v Speaker 1>for the unimaginably cold Canadian winter, both of them thin

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<v Speaker 1>and quiet, trying to get an education in a language

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<v Speaker 1>they had only started learning a few months before. King

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<v Speaker 1>and Vaughan ended up going to one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>universities in Canada got good jobs. Their friend the Land meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>met another Vietnamese refugee while playing musical chairs at an

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<v Speaker 1>event organized by one of the sponsoring churches. The two

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<v Speaker 1>got married, had children who grew up Canadian.

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<v Speaker 10>I think one of the most fondest memories we have

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<v Speaker 10>with our mom was just a trip that we took

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<v Speaker 10>with her to Ottawa.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Leland's son, David Haw, who teaches at the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Waterloo.

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<v Speaker 10>So back in twenty twelve we went to celebrate Canada

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<v Speaker 10>Day with her and just as a family, and she

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<v Speaker 10>never stopped talking about that trip. So a year after years,

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<v Speaker 10>shard to say, hey, do you remember that time when

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<v Speaker 10>we visited the capital just to enjoy the fireworks and

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<v Speaker 10>just to be with others that are just proud to

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<v Speaker 10>be with Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sharing all this not just because it's an immigration

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<v Speaker 1>story with a happy ending. This is a certain kind

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<v Speaker 1>of story, a kind that I think we too often overlook.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an older brother named Jeffrey, who lives in

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<v Speaker 1>a town very close to where we grew up. In

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<v Speaker 1>case you're wondering, my brother and I are very different.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to talk about how to fix things. He

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<v Speaker 1>actually fixes things. In a crisis, I waved my hands

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. Jeffrey disappears for an hour and emerges

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<v Speaker 1>with a solution on a desert island. Given the choice,

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<v Speaker 1>you might pick me for company because I could amuse

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<v Speaker 1>you for an afternoon with my theories. But when the

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<v Speaker 1>sun starts to set and you're hungry and thirsty and

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<v Speaker 1>have nowhere to sleep, you realize, oh, I picked a

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<v Speaker 1>wrong Gladwell. Jeffrey was for many years the principal of

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<v Speaker 1>an elementary school in a city called Kitchener. The school

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<v Speaker 1>had four hundred students. If you're an elementary school principal

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<v Speaker 1>in a country that lets in lots of refugees, chances

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<v Speaker 1>are you'll have some of them as students in your school,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did. I called up my brother to ask

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<v Speaker 1>him about it.

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<v Speaker 4>At one point we had I think twenty percent of

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<v Speaker 4>our school population were Syrian refugees.

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<v Speaker 1>You had, so if you had foreigner students are you

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<v Speaker 1>saying you had eighty Syrian refugees in your school.

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<v Speaker 4>Eighty Yeah, eighty Syrian refugees on top of probably another

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<v Speaker 4>seventy to eighty ESL students, immigrants, refugees from other places.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the biggest thing the first thing we saw

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<v Speaker 4>was was trauma Like that was really where it kind

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<v Speaker 4>of hit the idea of a trauma informed approach. So

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<v Speaker 4>when kids are acting out, when they're being violent, or

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<v Speaker 4>when they're crying, or they're withdrawing or you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>stealing things, you have to look at their experience from

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<v Speaker 4>camps or from war and say, Okay, maybe these learned responses,

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe these are survival responses, and we have to look

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<v Speaker 4>at them that way rather than looking at them as

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<v Speaker 4>undesirable behaviors that you have to suspend somebody for or

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<v Speaker 4>something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>This makes sense. You're taking kids from troubled parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. You have the obligation to deal with the consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey said that when a Canadian kid and a refugee

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<v Speaker 1>kid will get into a fight on the playground, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure out how to make sense of what

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<v Speaker 1>happened because only one of them spoke English. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a little tricky, but not that tricky. The school board

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<v Speaker 1>gave him lots of resources. He says, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>really brilliant ESL teacher at his school. Plus these refugees

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<v Speaker 1>were little kids.

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<v Speaker 4>They adapted, They learned English incredibly quickly for the most part,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you started to see their personalities coming through

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<v Speaker 4>and it really enriched the school in that way. We

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<v Speaker 4>had an incredible remembrance Day service with students who had

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<v Speaker 4>experienced war and talking about what it means to experience

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<v Speaker 4>war and showing their pictures of what it really is

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<v Speaker 4>like to experience and this is my house, this is

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<v Speaker 4>my house before it was bombed, this is my house

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<v Speaker 4>after it was bombed. I mean, that was incredibly, incredibly

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<v Speaker 4>moving and really sort of brought the whole experience that

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<v Speaker 4>these students had home for the students in the school.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the teachers. Did you have any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>interesting or unexpected reactions from the teachers who were teaching

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<v Speaker 1>these kids.

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<v Speaker 4>No, again, you don't go to that school. That's not

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<v Speaker 4>what you want to do. My job was to say

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<v Speaker 4>to these teachers, look, you need to just get these

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<v Speaker 4>kids into the classroom. You need to make them feel

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<v Speaker 4>at home. You need to make them feel loved, to

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<v Speaker 4>feel welcome in the community, and we'll get around to

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<v Speaker 4>learning when they're ready. That's that's the message you have

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<v Speaker 4>to give, not you know, worrying about whether these kids

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<v Speaker 4>can fit in or not.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to make them feel loved, not worry about

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<v Speaker 1>whether they'll fit in. Jeffrey didn't think that dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>the refugee children required any heroics. It just required lots

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<v Speaker 1>of people doing their bit. A generous school board, a

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<v Speaker 1>really good eesl teacher, and parents who believe that seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of a classmate's bombed out house is a

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<v Speaker 1>valuable learning experience. You open your mind, you open your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you start looking for this pattern of many small

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<v Speaker 1>acts of kindness adding up to a lot, you start

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<v Speaker 1>to see it in all kinds of places. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about a very moving account that I stumbled across in

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<v Speaker 1>the archives of the United States Holocaust Museum.

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<v Speaker 9>What kind of clothes did you wear?

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<v Speaker 5>I was wearing ordinary. They smelled, stink terrible. I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>have anything except I was veering.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the oral history of a man named chio Reichmann,

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<v Speaker 1>who escaped the Treblinka concentration camp in nineteen forty three.

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<v Speaker 1>He was part of a group that set fire to

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<v Speaker 1>the camp and he slipped out in the chaos, which

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<v Speaker 1>put him and a small band of other escapees in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of Nazi occupied Poland. Fugitives huddling in a forest.

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<v Speaker 5>I looked like a living skeleton.

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<v Speaker 1>Now listen to what happened next.

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<v Speaker 5>And we decided during deny it to go to a farm,

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<v Speaker 5>to a peasant and ask for food. Some decent people

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<v Speaker 5>helped us.

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<v Speaker 1>They were starving and someone gave them food. Reikmann decided

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<v Speaker 1>that their best hope of survival was to walk to Warsaw,

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<v Speaker 1>which was more than fifty miles away. He meets a

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<v Speaker 1>second farmer who feeds him and give some directions to Warsaw.

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<v Speaker 1>On the way, he runs into a third man.

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<v Speaker 5>The men passed and asked me, are you a Jew?

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<v Speaker 5>I said yes. This Christian man, who was working in

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<v Speaker 5>the opposite direction from where I came, turned back and said,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm taking you to my home. His wife looked at me.

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<v Speaker 5>She ordered me to take off my shild shirt and

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<v Speaker 5>gave me a clean one. You know what she said

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<v Speaker 5>to me, this is my husband only extra sheild. They

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<v Speaker 5>gave it to me. They gave me a hurty meal

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<v Speaker 5>and inquired about my plans.

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<v Speaker 1>Reichman stayed with the family for two weeks. Gaining strength,

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<v Speaker 1>he left them and met a smuggler. The smuggler gave

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<v Speaker 1>him a ride. He got to Warsaw, went to see

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<v Speaker 1>someone he knew from before the war who was in

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<v Speaker 1>the Polish resistance. His old friend was petrified.

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<v Speaker 5>He wasn't able to sleep or even because of fear

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<v Speaker 5>that he is hiding a jewel.

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<v Speaker 1>Reikman told his friend, I can't blame you, But as

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<v Speaker 1>he was leaving, his friend gave him papers identifying him

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<v Speaker 1>as an employee of the railroad. Now Reichman could pretend

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't Jewish.

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<v Speaker 5>This document saved my life. I used it all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The story keeps going on and on. A woman and

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<v Speaker 1>her husband let him sleep under their bed. Someone else

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<v Speaker 1>had a fallen down shack where Reikman stayed for a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone else knew an empty apartment in Warsaw and let

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<v Speaker 1>him stay there. He met a watchman befriended him. The

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<v Speaker 1>guard invited him home for dinner, gave him a job

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<v Speaker 1>a place to stay. It was winter, freezing cold the

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<v Speaker 1>final days of the war. Warsaw was in chaos. Reikman

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<v Speaker 1>was huddled with a group of people in an abandoned building.

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<v Speaker 5>We almost did not survive. We were hungry, cold, desplendent.

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<v Speaker 5>But one a night a men discovered a hiding place.

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<v Speaker 1>The man asked them, are you hungry? He took them

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<v Speaker 1>to a warehouse and opened the door.

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<v Speaker 5>And we cared of a couple of hundred pounds of

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<v Speaker 5>food and clothes that lasted this until the day of liberation.

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<v Speaker 1>By my count Cheo. Reichman survived the war because of

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<v Speaker 1>eleven acts of kindness. The keyword here is kindness. The

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<v Speaker 1>biggest act we can perform for another is sacrifice, where

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<v Speaker 1>we surrender something important for someone else, where we take

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<v Speaker 1>a risk for someone else. The step below that is generosity,

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<v Speaker 1>where we surrender some share of our time or resources

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<v Speaker 1>for another. Kindness is entry level caring. Kindness is just

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<v Speaker 1>a temporary suspension of indifference. The biblical story of the

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<v Speaker 1>Good Samaritan is a story about kindness. The Good Samaritan

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<v Speaker 1>finds an injured man by the side of the road, stops,

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<v Speaker 1>bandages him up, and takes him on the back of

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<v Speaker 1>his donkey to a nearby inn, where he gives him

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<v Speaker 1>to the innkeeper with some money to pay for his care.

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<v Speaker 1>The good Samartan doesn't fight off a band of hoodlum's

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<v Speaker 1>single handedly or sneak the injured man past an enemy checkpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>He's kind, not brave. Of the eleven acts that saved

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<v Speaker 1>Chio Reichman's life, almost all are of the good Samaritan variety.

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<v Speaker 1>His rescuers aren't brave. They're terrified. They give him some

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<v Speaker 1>food and a temporary place to stay because they think

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<v Speaker 1>it's too risky to do anything more. This is why

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's so easy to feel underwhelmed by kindness.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels so inadequate, so random. Reikman sounds like he

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<v Speaker 1>just got lucky. When it comes to helping people in

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<v Speaker 1>dire need, we prefer organized, big time, high commitment acts

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<v Speaker 1>of generosity, where we don't leave things to chance. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>America's refugee policy, which is the perfect illustration of the

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<v Speaker 1>anti good Samaritant approach. Nothing is left to chance. Helping

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<v Speaker 1>isn't informal and personal, it's systematized in order to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>that only the most deserving of displaced people come to

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<v Speaker 1>the US. The American Refugee Resettlement Program mandates a health check,

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<v Speaker 1>a background check, an eligibility check, and multiple interviews. The

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Homeland Securities involved, the State Department, the intelligence community,

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<v Speaker 1>all of whom weigh in. The parents get interviewed, then

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<v Speaker 1>the child separately to make sure their stories match. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>for those few refugees who do trickle through this process,

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<v Speaker 1>there's another layer of bureaucracy to protect them against the

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<v Speaker 1>potentially nefarious intentions of whatever group may be taking them in.

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<v Speaker 11>There's a grave concern that people are going to be

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<v Speaker 11>brought over here and they're not going to be supported

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<v Speaker 11>the way that we would want people to be supported

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<v Speaker 11>in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>That's David Beer, an immigration policy analyst with a Cato

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<v Speaker 1>Foundation in Washington, d c.

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<v Speaker 11>That they would be you know, living in squalor in

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<v Speaker 11>somebody's basement, or you know, not have enough spoons for

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<v Speaker 11>everyone in the family, so they be sharing spoons.

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<v Speaker 1>You're serious. There is a regulation about the minimum number

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<v Speaker 1>of spoons necessary for us.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, everything is very carefully monitored. And you know, God

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<v Speaker 11>forbid that you are so lax. It's only to bring

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<v Speaker 11>four spoons to a party of five.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do things that way and tie yourself in

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<v Speaker 1>knots and end up barely letting in any refugees at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you can just have faith in the good that

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<v Speaker 1>can come out of the other end of the generosity scale,

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<v Speaker 1>the way it did back in my hometown. When Kang, Vaughan,

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<v Speaker 1>and Leeland arrived, someone with a big house and lots

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<v Speaker 1>of empty bedrooms took the three of them in for

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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks. An apartment was found for them in Elmira,

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<v Speaker 1>a little town where I grew up. Leeland said she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get a job, so Joan got her job

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<v Speaker 1>at a local clothing factory. Everyone, including my own family,

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<v Speaker 1>took turns in the early years inviting them over for dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that sacrifice, please? My father had an endless stream

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<v Speaker 1>of grad students from overseas who were always coming over

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<v Speaker 1>for dinner on the weekends.

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<v Speaker 10>It was just to have the people around her like

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<v Speaker 10>your parents, like Graham and Joyce, just to kind of

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<v Speaker 10>welcome her in and to bring her to community events

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<v Speaker 10>and help her learn the language and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's David Hoggin remembering what all those invitations meant to

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<v Speaker 1>his mother.

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<v Speaker 10>For me, you need just to hear stories from my

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<v Speaker 10>mom of just the small things, those mundane things that

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<v Speaker 10>really stood out to her that I don't think people

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<v Speaker 10>would normally even talk.

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<v Speaker 1>About little things, mundane things, not big things. But remember

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<v Speaker 1>the lesson of ChIL Reichmann. Lots of people doing little

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<v Speaker 1>things can very quickly add up to a lot. When

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<v Speaker 1>King and Vaughan were finishing high school, my mom remembers

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<v Speaker 1>that the guidance counselor called my dad.

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<v Speaker 3>And he said, what are you doing with these boys?

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<v Speaker 3>They are in grade twelve. They have to go to

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<v Speaker 3>university because they have got eighty percent in calculus and

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<v Speaker 3>we don't give marks away.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so you know, eighty percent in calculus at my

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<v Speaker 1>high school in those years put you near the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the class.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Graham had the inside knowledge of where to get money.

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<v Speaker 3>You see, you can get you can get bursaries, scholarships,

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<v Speaker 3>things like that. You know where to look, and so

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<v Speaker 3>he must have pulled a number of strings. Because they

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<v Speaker 3>were both at Waterloo with Graham, and they got their bas.

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<v Speaker 1>Graham had inside knowledge. But then again, Graham was a

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<v Speaker 1>math professor at the University of Waterloo, and here his

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<v Speaker 1>task was to help two young people who were really

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<v Speaker 1>good at math get into the University of Waterloo. This

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<v Speaker 1>was not a heavy lift. And before any of this,

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<v Speaker 1>there was the problem of bringing Vaughan King and Leland

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<v Speaker 1>to Canada in the first place. Someone had to do

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<v Speaker 1>the paperwork. Now, if my mom had to do the paperwork,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been an act of courage. But Ian

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<v Speaker 1>Rankin does the paperwork.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember having to go down and interview or be

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<v Speaker 6>interviewed by somebody in Duke Street.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was a complicated process that took many,

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<v Speaker 1>many hours. But my sense is that Ian Rankin is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of person for whom successfully navigating a complex

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<v Speaker 1>bureaucracy is a of pleasure.

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<v Speaker 6>None of that stuff was anything that's sort of the

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<v Speaker 6>organizing committee delegated. It just was who could do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm learning for the first time what your role is

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<v Speaker 3>and I have wondered many times, how was this engineer?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know? And what were the links with the government?

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm learning for the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Time if I can break in here. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>very joyce glabal moment, her surprise discovery of some formal

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<v Speaker 1>bureaucratic structure beneath what she thought was just people interacting

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<v Speaker 1>with each other. And then my mom volunteered this.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a stranger and I had to be taken

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<v Speaker 3>in myself. So I know what I felt like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>going to England as a student and experiencing hospitality from

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<v Speaker 3>churches and organizations like that. So the sense of being

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<v Speaker 3>straight in another culture was something I understood very killing.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother came from Jamaica to England in the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>an unfamiliar place, a new culture. That phrase she used,

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<v Speaker 1>I was a stranger and I had to be taken

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<v Speaker 1>in myself is a reference to a Bible verse that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone around that table knew very well, Matthew twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>Verse thirty five, for I was hungry and you gave

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<v Speaker 1>me food. I was thirsty and you gave me something

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<v Speaker 1>to drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me.

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<v Speaker 1>Heroic rescues can have huge and dramatic effects, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to replicate. The group around my mother's dining

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<v Speaker 1>room table were non heroic rescuers, and there is nothing

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<v Speaker 1>they did that couldn't be done by any like minded

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<v Speaker 1>group of ordinary people.

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<v Speaker 3>So we give credit to those people. Jack Boy and Graham,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. And you I want you to do all of

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<v Speaker 1>us to read in unison like.

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<v Speaker 2>Chips.

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<v Speaker 7>I was hungry and you gave me food. I was

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<v Speaker 7>thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was

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<v Speaker 7>a stranger and you welcomed me. I was naked and

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<v Speaker 7>you gave me clothing. I was sick and you took

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<v Speaker 7>care of me. I was in prison and you visited me.

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<v Speaker 7>Then the righteous will answer him.

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<v Speaker 1>Lord, tell me the story about that girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know if I can tell that story

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<v Speaker 4>and hold it together.

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<v Speaker 1>When my brother Jeffrey was principal of the elementary school

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<v Speaker 1>in Kitchener, one of his youngest students, a Syrian refugee,

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<v Speaker 1>was inconsolable.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she was. This little girl came in to kindergarten

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<v Speaker 4>and she came in on the first day and she

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<v Speaker 4>was just wailing, like just wailing like crazy, and the

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<v Speaker 4>parents didn't seem to know what to do with her

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<v Speaker 4>because they were just at a loss. What's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't understand, and we did, as we do with

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<v Speaker 4>any child who's crying in kindergarten. We work with the parent,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll look after child. It's okay, So we give them

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<v Speaker 4>encouragement and usually they come in. Five minutes later, they

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<v Speaker 4>stopped crying and they're fine, except that didn't happen with her.

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<v Speaker 4>She just kept wailing and it was heart heart wrenching.

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<v Speaker 4>So we went into class and my ESL teacher was there, Tracy,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just said, look, just hold her, and so

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<v Speaker 4>she held her on her lap and she was still

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<v Speaker 4>just crying, and I thought, okay, what am I going

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<v Speaker 4>to do? So I just knelt down in front of her,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just started to hum and I was humming

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<v Speaker 4>that the Universal lullaby and stopped. She stopped crying. She

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<v Speaker 4>was looking at me, just just looking right through me.

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<v Speaker 4>She stopped, She got off Tracy's lap. She took my

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<v Speaker 4>hand and she didn't let go for an hour. She

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<v Speaker 4>walked with me around the school and she had a

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<v Speaker 4>death grip on my finger, and she kept up with me.

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<v Speaker 4>She just ran beside me and kept going and we

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<v Speaker 4>walked around the school. We visited all the classroom and

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<v Speaker 4>then we sat in another little conference room and she

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<v Speaker 4>drew pictures for me, and I was drawing pictures for her,

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<v Speaker 4>and she was talking to me and I was talking

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<v Speaker 4>to her, and we didn't understand what.

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<v Speaker 2>We were saying.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I Finally, about an hour and a half later,

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<v Speaker 4>I took her back to her class and she was fine.

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<v Speaker 4>And the next day the real kid arrived to me.

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<v Speaker 4>She walked into the school and she just strode into

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<v Speaker 4>the classroom like she was ready to take on the world.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was the kid the parents knew. Every time

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<v Speaker 4>I was in the primary hall, in that kindergarten hall,

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<v Speaker 4>and I went there a lot, just wandering around, she

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<v Speaker 4>would be looking at the door, and if I came

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<v Speaker 4>into the classroom, she would launch herself across the room

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<v Speaker 4>and give me a hug. Every time for the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Our parents and their friends open their hearts to three

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<v Speaker 1>refugees in need. My brother witnessed that act and then

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<v Speaker 1>forty five years later, opens his heart to another in need.

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<v Speaker 1>Kindness leads to kindness working.

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<v Speaker 4>With that child and seeing what you can do when

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<v Speaker 4>you show love and support and welcome to somebody. And

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<v Speaker 4>and yeah, that that that that was, I mean, the

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<v Speaker 4>pinnacle of my career. I think in many ways, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>never forget her.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a stranger and you welcome me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. I'm Malcolm Glava.