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Speaker 1: at it realistically and be like, but if I don't

433
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Speaker 1: win them, why and can I evaluate that without being

434
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 1: without destroying myself, right, that's the most important thing. And

435
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 1: also I think I did. I did notice after the

436
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: semi final, which looked like it could have gone either way.

437
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 1: There that David after the match, when she looked at him,

438
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: he pointed at his head and he and he kind

439
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,639
Speaker 1: of gave the gesture. I can't show it to you

440
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 1: on air, but on the podcast, but it's like he

441
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 1: pointed two fingers at his temples and he kind of

442
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: went like, you know, like when you control yourself, look

443
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 1: what happens. And she looked back at him and went like,

444
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: you know the emoji where your brain is coming off.

445
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's what happens when I control myself. The

446
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 1: one aspect that I wasn't happy with, So let's get

447
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Speaker 1: to the final. You know, Eager, first of all, was

448
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: just outstanding the entire two weeks. I mean when she

449
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 1: gets a wrong, I mean, the bakery was out, the

450
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,679
Speaker 1: bagels would come and left and right at this tournament

451
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. The toughest match he faced was against was

452
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: Niyaki at four one, and I think it's because it

453
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Speaker 1: wasn't Theaki makes replace so many babs and I saw

454
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: them practice actually at the US Open last year and

455
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 1: wasn't the Aki was beating her on the practice court

456
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: at the US Open because she makes so many balls

457
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: and if he's just a little bit off, she gets

458
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: a bit anxious. Talk about a perfectionist and you're making

459
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: the mistakes and Currow's just there going there's another era,

460
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: another era. I'm here all day. But obviously she was

461
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: dealing with a bit of a leg issue. But besides that,

462
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: ego was unbelievable. But in the final, the thing that

463
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: I was a little upset at it was two things

464
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Speaker 1: that I want Maria to work if I was, if

465
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: I was working with her in that situation. You know

466
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: that if you play at your best, you probably still lose,

467
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: right because as good as you play, and as great

468
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 1: an athlete as you are, Eager shon Tech is better

469
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: under the pressure. She knows how to continue to play

470
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Speaker 1: her A game when her A game was on and

471
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: she was on yesterday, and there was that period where

472
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Speaker 1: she went from up three to one to three all

473
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, so it was like, oh, it would look

474
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: like Eager was going to run away with the final

475
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: like one in love. I mean, the way she was playing,

476
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, a couple of mistakes,

477
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: missed a couple of balls here and there, and Maria

478
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 1: kept her shit together and it was three all, and they're, oh,

479
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: four all, okay, this is a match now. And then

480
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 1: it gets to five four, and then Maria just makes

481
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: two or three unforced eras bang six foot set bang

482
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 1: over there, and that's Eager's just like I'm playing the

483
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: same way. I don't I'm not going to make the errors.

484
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: You know. When it got to three all, she was

485
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: very calm. Her group was very good at keeping her relaxed.

486
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,959
Speaker 1: But the thing that I would like to see Maria

487
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: in those situations, in that particular match, and I know

488
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: she can do this, and I've told you this before,

489
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: I think she needs to work on her slice back end. Now.

490
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say you know that to Naomi Osaka. I'm

491
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: not going to say that to Eager, right, But like you,

492
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Speaker 1: you implement implemented the slice from time to time to

493
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Speaker 1: get yourself back into the point. And the thing with

494
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: Maria is that she can slice. I think her slice

495
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: can be much better. Her footwork doesn't work with it.

496
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: She opens up to her. There's a lot of technical

497
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: things I could go into But I think if she

498
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Speaker 1: learned to slim her backhand a little bit to get

499
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Speaker 1: back because she's so athletic to get back into the

500
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: point without hitting it hard. So if you imagine people,

501
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: you're outside the doubles alley and you're having to hit

502
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: that backhand to Eager shon tech, where do you go?

503
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: Do you go line?

504
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: You're dead?

505
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: She hits her forehand cross court, You're done. Do you

506
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: go back cross god hard and do a kind of

507
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: a Kim cleister this type of shot back into the

508
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: corner something you would do and neutralize. No, because she

509
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: can still go bang down the line with her backhand,

510
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: even off a deep backhand. When you're hitting the ball

511
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: hard to her, you're dead like she is going to,

512
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Speaker 1: especially on a slow, hardcourt like that is at India Welles.

513
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 1: So there's one player that used to just literally and

514
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: not like it's the perfect word to use chop Eager

515
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: was Ash Barty, because Ash would hit the slice into

516
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: positions on the court low under the net and put

517
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: Eager into you know, difficult situations where she had to

518
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: hit and come in or hit and get back or

519
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: utili like you know, her grip is very extreme, So

520
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: unless she's feeling really, really comfortable, that's a very hard

521
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: shot for her to hit. So I don't understand why

522
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: you know when you play and this is what the

523
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 1: great players do, like Novak, we've talked about it, Rafa Medvedev,

524
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: he stood up on the baseline when he knows he's

525
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to play against the guy that whatever. You know,

526
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: it's like, you have to adapt your game to playing

527
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: against certain players, and so why not throw in a

528
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable slice from time to time? And also, what

529
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: you don't understand about a slice is you can knife

530
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: it and hit it hard, or you can hit it

531
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: soft and floaty deep right. So that allows you to

532
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: get back into the court right. And Maria is so

533
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: athletic as long as she's back in the middle of

534
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: the court, she can probably get back into the point.

535
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: And hitting the ball hard is not necessarily going to

536
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: help you, because now the ball's back onto Eager's grip,

537
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: she's like ready for it, and then the whole court

538
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: is open. And she's the greatest thing about Eager. When

539
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: there's a space, she fucking hits it. She doesn't go,

540
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: oh god, there's the opening, push it like set point.

541
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Speaker 1: She had a forehand that was, you know, without pressure,

542
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: is a relatively easy fourhand for her. Was on the baseline.

543
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: Maria was off the court. The whole line was open.

544
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: Now a lot of players as you know, pet go

545
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: you know this shot, You're like, oh my god, the

546
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: whole line. Do I go for it or do I

547
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: hit it there and not miss it? And she just

548
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: stepped anywhere whack and hit a clean winner down the line,

549
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, God, damn, that's so good after going

550
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Speaker 1: from love forty. So Maria was down love forty, got

551
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: it back to thirty forty to go five. All okay,

552
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: And so you're thinking, is eager goin and get tied here?

553
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: Not at thirty forty when she had one more break

554
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: point or set point she goes crack with the foehand

555
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: down the line. And so those are little things that

556
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: Maria I think can get better at at understanding how

557
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: do I play against certain players that like my heavy

558
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: hitting style of tennis and her heavy forehand which when

559
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: she hits it with spin, as you know, it gets

560
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: up there high. But on eager done because that's actually

561
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: where she's very comfortable. So how do you get the

562
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: ball into positions where eager doesn't like it, and for me,

563
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: she needs to work on her slice back end and

564
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: I think she can do that. She will win, She

565
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: could win those types of matches. But until then, and

566
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: also in the second set six love like come on,

567
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I do say with Dave because

568
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: he is so relaxed and laid back. That's where you,

569
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: as a coach have got to stand up and be

570
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: like are you quitting? Are you quitting on me? You

571
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: got to stand up and be like, come on, no,

572
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: now is the time to fight, you know, and maybe

573
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: give her a little bit of I'm sure he was

574
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: telling her somewhat too, but he's not super super active

575
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: with the talking, which is good for her. But there

576
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: are times where you got to be like, let's go,

577
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: are you quitting on me? Because for her to lose

578
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: the second set six love for me as good as

579
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: Ega was playing, you got to find a way to

580
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: win games. Sorry, you do, especially with a good surf. Well.

581
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think two things. I think the way

582
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: to beat eager On, To beat her is maybe a

583
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: strong word, when she's playing well on a surface that

584
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: suits her well. To push her is either to rush

585
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: her like Rebukena or Sablenka can or to play low

586
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: balls like slices. Yea, if you play high spin balls,

587
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: it doesn't really because her forehand. EGA's forehand is the

588
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 2: best forehand in the world. When she has a bit

589
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: of time, it can go off on her. That's why

590
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: she hasn't quite figured out how to play on grass yet.

591
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: When you play into it deep and flat right because

592
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: of the extreme grip, or a slice because of the

593
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: extreme grip, it's hard to get underneath it. And I

594
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: think the way Maria plays, the way Cocoa plays, they

595
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: kind of play into the perfect match up that Ega likes.

596
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: They play a flat backhand. She likes the flat backhand,

597
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: you know. I think if you could lift it over

598
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: the backhand, she might get into problems. That's what Ash

599
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: she used to do with the inside out forehand over Egos.

600
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: She wouldn't like miss it, but she would maybe put

601
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: it a bit shorter into the court. But they play

602
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: flat into the backhand, which Ega likes, and they rotate

603
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: into the forehand, which Ega also likes. So you have

604
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: to kind of adjust. And I think one other thing

605
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: with Maria which she doesn't quite she hasn't mastered it

606
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: one hundred percent when she's not feeling well. She doesn't

607
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: have a great backhand down the line. She has the

608
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: best backhand cross court in the world, maybe because she

609
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: can play black and short and so good pretty good. No,

610
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: but Coco can play down the line. She has the

611
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: best backhand period. But Maria's backhand cross court is maybe

612
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: the best in the world, but she cannot hit it.

613
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: That's why she had trouble with Coco, because she was

614
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: a much better player, but she couldn't get it down

615
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: the line. It would always go kind of in the middle,

616
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: you know. And if she can get that, I think

617
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: that would be another way to rush Ega on the forehand.

618
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: If she could get that flat backhand cross courd that

619
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: she has also down the line, that would be another

620
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: way to bother Ego with that extreme grip. But I

621
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 2: think just matchup wise, it's a tough one for Maria.

622
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: She would have to play against a few of her instincts.

623
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: Just two more sentences to Ega and one more sentence

624
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: to Maria. Maria. I think what I liked most about

625
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: just strictly about her game. Let's take the mental aspect

626
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: out of it. Just about her game. She used her physicality.

627
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes she rushes, or she used to rush before David

628
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: came in. Let's just put it that way. And I'm thinking,

629
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: if you're not feeling the ball, just run and put

630
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: it in. You're the most athletic person, You're the most

631
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 2: athletic woman out there. The other ones will break if

632
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: you just keep the intensity until you find your rhythm

633
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: and then you can crush it again. And she did

634
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: that much better now when she was not feeling the ball.

635
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: When she missed a few, she would take a step back,

636
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: rotated in, run balls down user athleticism until she found

637
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: her rhythm again and then go for it. And about Ega,

638
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: Ega should probably only lose two or three matches in

639
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: Indian Wells over the period of the next ten years.

640
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: It's the perfect surface.

641
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: And I said yesterday, I think Ega can win eight

642
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: French Opens.

643
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 2: Yes, French Open and Indian Wells. It's insane. It's so

644
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: hard because as.

645
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 1: We just said, there are two ways to more than eight.

646
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: But I think she can win at least.

647
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: Because that's the two ways you can bother her is

648
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: either you play slice. There are not a lot of

649
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: people who play slices on the wtator or you rush her,

650
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: and that's really hard to do in lulls and clay,

651
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: especially playing at night most of the matches, where during

652
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: the night it's even harder to rush her. And I

653
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: will say one thing, and I'm so happy for her

654
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: because this was such a risk she has and we

655
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: talked about this with Janick Sinner. She has worked on

656
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: her surf and they did a bunch of few things,

657
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: taking it up early, taking it down, doing this, doing that,

658
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: and it's not perfect yet, but she a few times

659
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: during any well's and important moments, she just got two

660
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: three points on her surf and I was like, girl,

661
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: she she's the number one in the world. She's won

662
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: so many slams already, She's only twenty one years old,

663
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: and she goes and tinkers with one of the most

664
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: important shots in tennis. I I tipped my head to

665
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: that to have that courage and have that to just

666
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: go ahead and do that and have that boldness. And

667
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: it's finally starting to pay off for her. I think

668
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: she will still need a bit of time, but eventually

669
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: we might see the same thing that happened for Sinner,

670
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: where all of a sudden he found the shot and

671
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: now he's almost.

672
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with the serve I would still like

673
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: to not have I would still like her not to

674
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: have that pause. And I know that you abbreviated the

675
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: start of it, but they showed a side by side

676
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: of that on Tennis Channel, and the start is obviously different.

677
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: Not dropping the racket head down, it's just going straight up.

678
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: But in actual fact, once it gets into the trophy position,

679
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: it's the exact same serve it was like exactly maybe

680
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: a little bit quicker up to it, but that could

681
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: also arguably just be the one that they showed, but

682
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: they are exactly the same serf. So what I would

683
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: like to see if I was, you know, tinkering around

684
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: with it, I would like to have her have a

685
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: little bit more fluidity, because at her height it should

686
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: be more fluid. And I think she needs a little

687
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: more wrist snap. And she brings her right side too

688
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: early into open into a sort of like a she

689
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: brings her right side over too early. I think if

690
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: she kept that back a little bit and got her

691
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: left hip out a little bit more and sort of

692
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: got that like it's kind of like a bow and

693
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: arrow type of positioning with your body to be able

694
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: to accelerate. I think that would make herself even better.

695
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: So you're right, though, but just saying the best player

696
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: is tinkering to make it.

697
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 2: Better, That's what I mean. I think more the I

698
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: think the attitude of it is more than I think

699
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: it's still a work in progress, and I said it,

700
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: I think it's a work in progress. But I think

701
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: just the boldness to go ahead being the best player

702
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: in the world, and she could have stayed the best

703
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: player in the world for a long time, it would

704
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: have been is still attackable though it's still attackable that

705
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: she needs just the first serve still goes off. And

706
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: she had that problem before too, where she would serve

707
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: well and then for four games she can't find the

708
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: first serf. That's the one thing. But because she's so

709
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: good and on clay, she neutralizes the next shot so well,

710
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter for her. But you know, I

711
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: love the boldness of I think I'm talking more about

712
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: the mentality and the attitude of having the boldness to

713
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: go ahead and tinker with a shot even though you're

714
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: already the best player in the world.

715
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: Well, can we talk a little bit then? And I

716
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: wasn't going to talk about this, but now that you

717
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: brought it up, Coco, because her second service fing a

718
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: woful at the moment. I mean, she is double folding

719
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: upper storm. And I man, listen, I could not love

720
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: a kid more than this kid. I mean, she is

721
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: such a fighter, I mean the professional. I think she's

722
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: the best competitor. She is such a great competitor. It's unreal.

723
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: Even when she is playing her C minus game. She's

724
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: never gonna quit, this kid. And she one matches this

725
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: tournament that she probably shouldn't have, and only because she

726
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 1: has such a fighting spirit. But her second serve is

727
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: so it's so unreliable, you know. And she's dropping the

728
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: left side of her body down just like she It's

729
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: very similar to the when Venus missed her serf. You know,

730
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: that whole left side of her arm drops down, her

731
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: ball goes into the net, her grip is all messed up.

732
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: But also in the forehand. We know we've talked about that,

733
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: but you know, and I don't want to give too

734
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: much shit, but like you can't say the U train

735
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: open that you're not going to touch her forehand like

736
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: she was. He was asked on air by Chris mckendrey.

737
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: You know, well, you know obviously, look, her forehand's still

738
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: breaking down, you know, things you're working on with it.

739
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: And he put his hand up and said zero. And

740
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, man, you can't be a coach

741
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: and say you're not going to work on someone's weakness.

742
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: It's you can't say that. And as much as he's

743
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: helped her in so many ways, you have to say,

744
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: her forehand and her second serve is letting her down.

745
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: So what are you doing in regards to that? And

746
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, until she gets those more reliable,

747
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: which is what she was doing through the US Open swing,

748
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: you know when she won the US Open, there was

749
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: no obvious weaknesses that were coming to the four.

750
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Oh, you're absolutely right. She didn't miss a forehand. It

751
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: wasn't she wasn't hidden winners, she wasn't hitting like.

752
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: She wasn't ten double faulter match, which is what she's

753
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: doing right, And.

754
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: She was not missing the forehand. It was I think

755
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: people unders just because you don't hit winners doesn't mean

756
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: that's a weak shot. And she has a natural change well,

757
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: and she has, but that forehand is not not It's

758
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: worse than Coco's in a way, because that's true when

759
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: she was playing her best, especially but with Coco, she

760
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: has a very natural change of rhythm in her game

761
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: because the forehand is so heavy and the back end

762
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: is so flat. I've played with her many times. It's

763
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable to play. But if she misses it, that

764
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: all goes to shite because it doesn't matter that she

765
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: has a natural change of rhythm in her game when

766
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: you miss the forehand. But during the US series she

767
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: wasn't missing it. So what do you do? Where do

768
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: you go? You go into the forehand that jumps over

769
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: your shoulder, you can't do anything. Whether you go into

770
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: the back end, boom smack, you're dead. So where do

771
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: you go?

772
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, And that's.

773
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: Why she won all these tournaments.

774
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: You wait for double faults because she's dropping serf left

775
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: and right, and that's what's hurting her. So as much

776
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: as we talk about her forehand, I think the issue

777
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: is her second serve. Well, I think that's what she

778
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: needs to improve.

779
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm interested in hearing what your take on. This is

780
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: what I think because I've called a few of her

781
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 2: matches at the Australian Open Court side and you really

782
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: see what's happening. And they did one thing that has

783
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: gained her ten miles per hour on average more on

784
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: her first serf, but is also her downfall on the

785
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: second serve. They shorten her ball toss and put it

786
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: a bit more to the front, which is great to

787
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: get more bom on it, but which is terrible for

788
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: getting any slice or kick on it. And she used

789
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: to have a good kickserf. Not a great, but a

790
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: good kickserf. When you throw it in front of you

791
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: and short, there is no way you can get any

792
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: acceleration on it or slice. And I think that's what

793
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: has helped her in the first serve. I think is

794
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 2: kind of her downfall right now with the second.

795
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: The short baal toss is absolutely fine. It's not the

796
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: short ball toss. The short boltos is actually good. You know,

797
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: get up there and smack the shit out of the

798
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: first serve. The problem with the short ball toss on

799
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: the second serve is if it is in front of

800
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: you at one pm. So think about a clock, all right, everybody,

801
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: If you're throwing the ball toss to one pm, you

802
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: cannot hear a kickserf. So every second serve is in

803
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: the middle of the box to the forehand side on average,

804
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: So unless she gets the ball toss back. And if

805
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: you think about the greatest kickserve of all time in

806
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: women's tennis is Sam Stoza and her second hurt boltos

807
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: was time you played against Sam. It was very very short,

808
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, but she got underneath it. So she needs

809
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: to learn to hit at about seven PM on the

810
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: ball and the ball needs to be behind her head.

811
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: So when you throw the ball toss up everyone, if

812
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't land behind you, it's not a good kickserve toss.

813
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: You cannot hit a kickserve without the ball toss being

814
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: either at literally twelve pm is the at marginally fine,

815
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: but ideally you want to be throwing it at like

816
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: eleven am. And I know I'm throwing a lot of

817
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: numbers out, but if you think of the way a

818
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: clock is, if you throw it at eleven at am

819
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: or ten am even and you look at the great

820
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: kickserf it's behind them and so if they let the

821
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: ball bounce, it will literally come down behind their body.

822
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: And that's what she needs to work on. The short

823
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: ball toss is fine, it's got to come back, and

824
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't understand how she hasn't worked on that. And

825
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: I say this with so much love because I could

826
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: not like this girl anymore. But I want to see

827
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: the reliability on that serf because that's what's hurting her,

828
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: and that's what in my opinion, that's what hurt her

829
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: in this match, because if she's winning her service games,

830
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: the forehand won't get us tight because she's like, eh,

831
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to hold serve. It's no big deal.

832
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: And for me, like Serena when the serve.

833
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: Would go off and that was good for her. Sakary, Yesalie,

834
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: because she has a little bit more attack, because Sakary's

835
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: forehand has a bit of.

836
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: And she's spin and yes, if not more, yeah exactly,

837
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: which is amazing to say when you're talking about Maria Sakary.

838
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, we'll see how that progresses.

839
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: For her and Saballenca. Before we get off the tikis Saballenka,

840
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: what is going on here? She didn't win in the

841
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: Middle East, she did not do well in Indian Wales

842
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: for her standards, losing to Emma Navarro, who's a great player.

843
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: We already know that and who is now a top

844
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: twenty player in the world. So well done on that, Emma,

845
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: But what's going on here.

846
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: That's really interesting. I don't know. I wonder what your

847
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: take is. That's really interesting to me because I thought

848
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: in Australia she was so much ahead of the pets,

849
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: so much. It wasn't like she was a bit better

850
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: than everyone. She was like a full level above everybody else.

851
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: So I thought, even if after the winning the Austraian

852
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: Open she drops a little bit, she will still be

853
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: among the best in the world for the next few months.

854
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: And then all of the sudden it just went off again.

855
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: And that's the thing and the beauty and the tragedy

856
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: with Arena Sabalenka. No matter how well she plays, it

857
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: can go off the next day, so you can never

858
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: really bet on her. Even though even though I was

859
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: convinced that the Australian Open, I was convinced she was

860
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: going And maybe she's just focusing on the Grand Slams.

861
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe she found a way how to prep

862
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: for the Australian Open. And the hardest thing in tennis

863
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: we talked about so many times is the scheduling aspect

864
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: of it. And maybe she was like, I peaked at

865
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: the Australian Open. I know exactly what I did, and

866
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to do exactly the same for the French

867
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: for Wimbledon and for the US Open. And if she

868
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: does that, we will talk next year in September after

869
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: the US Open. We will say she knew way more

870
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 2: than we did, and maybe she she is just taking

871
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: it as a role and she's because she was so close.

872
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 2: We talked about the summer and she was so close.

873
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: She had a shot at each and every major tournament

874
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: a year to win them all, and maybe she was like, oh,

875
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: so close. I really want to pull this off. And

876
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: maybe that's what she's doing, because otherwise it's really hard

877
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: for me to explain. Maybe you have an explanation.

878
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: I don't have an explanation. I think she just you know,

879
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: there are times where the bullets are just flying out

880
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: of the gun when they shouldn't be, and they're going out,

881
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, and she's misses some random shots and you're like,

882
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: what is you know, But then the focus is on

883
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: and the game is there, and then she's unbeatable.

884
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: So I will I have to say I kind of love.

885
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: It though, I kind of love all this. I love it.

886
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: You get coming back and be like, oh you thought

887
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: you were going to be number one playing the world

888
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: and did and now here I win Middle East Indian Wales.

889
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: She'd probably win Miami because it's quite slow there as well.

890
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: And I listened to our podcast during your Shin Open,

891
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: because I do my research and I try to be better,

892
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: so then maybe get better.

893
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: So nompetitive, no you are, let's just fight.

894
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: No, but not in this actually only in tennis. I'm competitive,

895
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: but I tried. I want us to be better, so

896
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: I listened to a few and wrote down things that

897
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: we can be better at. But we did say the

898
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: last thing, this is the best thing that could have

899
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: happened to Eger. She's going to be amazing the next

900
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: two months because she can't stand seeing Arena being that

901
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: much better than the others.

902
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: And so what the hell with Rebarkin? Are getting stomach

903
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: issues again? And what's gastro or whatever? I mean what anyway,

904
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: we don't even need to get into that. But we

905
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: still have we already and we still have the guys anyway,

906
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, the women's was great. Eager was just absolutely outstanding.

907
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: It is perfect court for her, just as it is

908
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: for mister Carlos al Chorism. Carlos and Eager similar players

909
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, the great athletes, but they

910
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: love that just a little bit slower where they can

911
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: just get around and crush four hands and all the

912
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: things lower.

913
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: And the bit high bounce. I think that's what.

914
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: Which you suit, mister Medvedev.

915
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: No, it's amazing what he did. I mean, really we

916
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: will talk about it's amazing, but that's exactly the similarity

917
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: you talk about is exactly that the ego extreme grip,

918
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: and for Carlos the big swing on the forehand is

919
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: why they like it to sit up a little bit

920
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: and why it's difficult for opponents to rush them into

921
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: that shot. Because we saw what people did with Carlos

922
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: al Choraz, especially as Verev at the Australian Open, just

923
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: ripping his backhand down the lines. Granted Carlos just played

924
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: into Vera's backhand, which nobody understood, but ripping the down

925
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: the lines and Carlos always being rushed on that on

926
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: that forehand. And it's similar with with Yugoshiantek. So you're right,

927
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 2: they are in different ways, very similar.

928
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw the evolution of Carlos against Verev because

929
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: you and I were watching the match of the Australian

930
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: Open and yelling at the television, why in God's green

931
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: Earth are you playing one one ball to Vero's back

932
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: end like I could. I could not win one point

933
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: against Verev if I played him in a match. Okay,

934
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: not one for sure unless he double folded, which is

935
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: possible so I couldn't. But there's no chance I'd play

936
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: one ball to that guy's backhand under pressure. And we

937
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: were like, why are you playing to his backhand? It

938
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: was almost like he was stubborn little kid, like I

939
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: can still win there, I can. And he's like, you

940
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: could tell that Carlo that he's coach one. Carlos was like,

941
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: bro it in Spanish. Hit the ball to this guy's forehand. Yeah,

942
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: hit it to his forehand and you will win. And

943
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: that's what happened. So that, but before we get to that,

944
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: before we get to Sinner our cre as the final Novak. Now, granted,

945
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: I know you know Novak probably knows, as does the world.

946
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: In a lot of occasions, the bro doesn't like to

947
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: play in windy conditions. Okay, he did not play anytime.

948
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: It's super windy, and you're like, oh, this guy might

949
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: have a chance, and if it's super windy, put some

950
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: money on the other guy. Because when Andy Murray won

951
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: the US Open against Novak in the final years and

952
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: years ago, obviously, like decades ago, it was so windy

953
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: that day. And Andy Murray is a king in the wind,

954
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: king in the wind because he uses a slow he

955
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: uses a little bit of this, a little bit of

956
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: that little budgie stuff, blah blah blah. Novak likes the

957
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: pured purit ball and.

958
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: I think it's very underrated. Yeah, well, and I think

959
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: it's underrated, or nobody ever talks about how clean of

960
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: a balls striker. You have it in mind, because when

961
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: he plays bad, he does this weird framing the forehand

962
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: and then dramatically falling backwards. But that rarely ever happens.

963
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: He usually hits the ball in the middle of his

964
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: strings every time. And you can be a clean ball

965
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: striker without being necessarily a Lindsay Devenport who hits the

966
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: ship out of the ball. You can still be very

967
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: clean and always he dominated Indian Wells, yes, but but

968
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: Novak always hits it cleanly and in front of him,

969
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: even though he's not a big hitter like Lindsay. Is

970
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: I love that we just compared Lindsay and Novak. Djokovic

971
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: should love that.

972
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: Sorry, carry on about Nova, but he just he just

973
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: struggles in the wind. And I'm playing this kid lucky Louisa.

974
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: He's super talented. But he played amazing.

975
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: This has to be said. He played out of his ass.

976
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: And Novak said the press conference that he played like shit.

977
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: And I have to say that episode where he got

978
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: upset at Nadi for like pretending not to play the point, dude.

979
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: That was so he was wrong.

980
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: He was so wrong in that situation, Like how many

981
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: times have you played a point where you're like, JESEU

982
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: is it in? Is it out?

983
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, there's no linesman, there's no call.

984
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: And your opponent stands there like he doesn't care, which,

985
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: by the way, everybody does. Everybody plays possum on the

986
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: court sometimes to pretend they're like, oh, I don't care,

987
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: and then they start running to the other direction of

988
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean, it's the Angie Kerbo watch Andy

989
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: Kerber do it like a thousand times a match, and

990
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: Novak's done it, Like, come on, man, if your opponent

991
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: isn't playing quote unquote, I'm putting in air quotes playing

992
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: the point, then crush him and you looking at it

993
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: at the guy, and then he gave him shit at

994
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: the net. That was so unprofessional, in my opinion, you

995
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: cannot be like, dude, you're wrong, hey, but well done.

996
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: It's like the poor kid. It was just like the

997
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: poor kid looked like he'd just been scolded by his

998
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: dad and he was just like you didn't know whether

999
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: to celebrate. I'll be like, oh my god, this is

1000
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: the best day of my life, but my dad just

1001
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: told me I suck as a human being. I was like, oh,

1002
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: poor guy. Anyway, Novak, then he pulls out of Miami.

1003
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: But what is going on here?

1004
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: Man? So what I heard, and I don't want to

1005
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: say too much, what I heard from his camp is

1006
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: that he wasn't able to practice as much as he

1007
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: usually does before a tournament and.

1008
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 1: Because he was in La at a basketball game.

1009
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't want to say I don't really,

1010
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know. Actually, I'm not trying to be secretive.

1011
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's the only thing I heard. I tried.

1012
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 2: I reached out to a few Serbian friends and tried

1013
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: to figure out what was going on. And basically what

1014
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: I got back is he wasn't able to practice. Whether

1015
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: that was physical or whatever else, I don't know, but

1016
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: that was what I got, that he wasn't able to

1017
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: practice as hard as he normally does. And he practices

1018
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: still really really hard, and he hits a lot of balls,

1019
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: and I think the way he plays, he needs to

1020
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: hit a lot of balls to feel one hundred percent

1021
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: secure in his game. And so that's just what I

1022
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: gat and and I don't know if that's true. Again,

1023
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: it's nobody from Novak's camp directly, so this is just

1024
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: the talk, and this is all speculation, but that's what

1025
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: I heard, and so I think you could see it

1026
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: in his game because sometimes I called carl I will

1027
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: never forget this. I called Carlos Alcaraz's first match after

1028
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: Wimbledon last year, and you could just see that he

1029
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: hadn't been putting in there that he had but no,

1030
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: you could say, like his body looked really buff. So

1031
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: you could see like after Wimbledon, yes he was shanking,

1032
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, he took a few days off,

1033
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: he partied, then he went to the gym and then

1034
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: started up. He did, but he like kind of you know,

1035
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: played on hotm coum.

1036
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: I didn't give a shit, And then he went to Canada.

1037
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, yes, but you could see exactly I

1038
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: knew because from being in these positions so many times,

1039
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: I knew exactly what had happened. He had to take

1040
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: some time off because of Hopmanca. Because he's a good kid.

1041
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to bail on his promises, so he

1042
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: went there, uh regards, go out to Iva Maayoli who

1043
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: runs the tournament right now and niece, so he went

1044
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: out there because he's a good kid and keeps his promises.

1045
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: Then he had to still take a break because it

1046
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: was a long long period. Remember he had won the

1047
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: Queen's as well, so he had played a lot of tennis,

1048
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: so he had to take a break. Then he went

1049
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: to the gym because people were like, you're going to

1050
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: get injured if you don't train properly. So he went

1051
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: to the gym, but then started practicing three days before probably,

1052
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: and you could see he was just not feeling the ball.

1053
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: He was shanking his forehand, the serve was going everywhere.

1054
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: And I said it on Aaron. I was thinking about

1055
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: should I say it or not, because it kind.

1056
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: Of what your job is.

1057
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: Well, but it throws a bad light even though we

1058
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: know scheduling and tennis is so challenging. You have to

1059
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: take breaks. It's not about like being lazy and you can't.

1060
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just have to take these sacrifices. And I

1061
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: just knew he hadn't hit enough balls.

1062
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: What I can tell you is that he would have

1063
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: learned a lot from last year. Yeah, I've had a

1064
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: schedule and you do have to learn those things. Yeah,

1065
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: So maybe Novak's just like you know what, I don't

1066
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: feel great.

1067
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: And remember he was sick. He was sick at the

1068
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: Austria and Open, so maybe he needed a longer break

1069
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 2: than usually. He is thirty fucking seven years.

1070
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he saw the video of Nadal banging his

1071
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: foot showing everyone that he's going straight onto the clay

1072
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: to practice. I'm speculating that, but yeah, but interesting. But

1073
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. A Sinner has picked up the

1074
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: mantle as the best player in the world, and it

1075
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: was questioned this week by Alcarez. But I think it's

1076
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: so they are so similar to Roger and Rafa because

1077
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: of First of all, they're two great guys. I mean,

1078
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: it started raining and Carlos is standing there waiting for

1079
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Sinner to get off the court like they're smiling. They're like,

1080
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: they're so good for the sport. These guys, they're so

1081
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: good for the sport. But also I think the court

1082
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: surface is going to determine a lot of who wins

1083
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: and lou loses between those.

1084
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: Guys, you know, and they day forum and conditions.

1085
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: Basically, if they play at night, what's the court surface

1086
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: they're playing on. Faster court is going to favor Sinner,

1087
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: a slower court is going to favor Alcarez. So it's like,

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00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: how can they like Novak? Sorry, well not Novak was

1089
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: able to do it on every surface. But the way

1090
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: that Nadal realized he had to step in a little

1091
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: bit more on grass against Roger, the way that that

1092
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: Roger had to hit his backhand with a little bit

1093
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: more punch. There's all these things that they're gonna have

1094
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: to learn because they know that those that those two

1095
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: are the ones who are going to be competing for

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00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: the number one ranking in the world for the next

1097
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 1: ten years. So how can they which is so great

1098
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: because they are so great for the sport, and they're

1099
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: such nice guys.

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00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: They're so different, which is yeah, but.

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00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: The fact that they I mean the unbelievable point that

1102
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: sinner one and they both turned around and looked at

1103
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: each other and started smiling and laughing.

1104
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: Can I please ask I was the only one there

1105
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: was a double bounce?

1106
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. They showed it on replay.

1107
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: No, not that one, the one before. I'm one hundred

1108
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: percent certain there was a double bounce on undecked center

1109
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: and I looked at it, and I saw it three

1110
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: times and just nobody mentioned it. They never showed a

1111
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: replay of it. And if anybody else side, please tell

1112
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: me I'm not delusional. It wasn't a double bounce, and

1113
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 2: if it was, I would, honestly I would.

1114
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to go look at I'm going to go

1115
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: back and look at the film, but I can't think

1116
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: it was. But anyway, besides that, these two are going

1117
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: to compete against each other for the next ten years

1118
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: and plus hopefully, and I'm here for it because it's

1119
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: great to see Alcarez finally get through a tournament and

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00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: not have an injury, and after coming back from hurting

1121
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: his ankle, you know, playing on the clay and then

1122
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: playing that Netflix thing and then coming was an amazing

1123
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: effort because my god, he played that one point yesterday

1124
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: where he almost tripped over himself with the ball went

1125
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: over his head, and then he turned around and managed

1126
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: to win the point, and you could see you could

1127
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: see Medvedev getting more and more anxious because he's thinking

1128
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: to himself, Oh my god, if I didn't win the

1129
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: point by now, there's no way I'm winning the point

1130
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: and I'm at the net. What do I do? Oh

1131
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: my guard, I'm going backwards. I'm trying to hit these shots.

1132
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: I can't bolly the ball. The way you could tell

1133
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: the anxiety level was rising so high in Medvedev when

1134
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: he was at the net that it was just like

1135
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: if I could have paused it. And someone said, who

1136
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: wins this point? I Alchoriz is going to win this

1137
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: point for sure. But just a little thing on Meddi

1138
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: and I said this on Twitter. I don't know about you,

1139
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: pet Go, but at this strain open at the US

1140
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: Open lash year and again at Indian Wells, that skinny

1141
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: motherfucker gets the worst schedules. He gets the worst schedules

1142
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: every time he was when Serena played and I was

1143
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: coaching Serena. He was on after Serena every single match

1144
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: at the Years Open two years ago or three years ago,

1145
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: whenever it was, and I kept because we'd see each

1146
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: other the next day and I was like, dude, so

1147
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: sorry about the schedule again. He's like, ah, Serena, you

1148
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: know it is what it is, because you know, normally

1149
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 1: they would flip flop the guys, but you're never gonna

1150
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: put Serena second on. She was always going to be

1151
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: at seven. And guess who had to play against after

1152
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: every time Medvedev and he'd win like one, two and one,

1153
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: but he'd be finishing at one am, getting home at

1154
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get to sleep by three every

1155
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: single time, and every Grand Slam, this guy gets the

1156
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: worst schedule. At this Strain Open three forty five in

1157
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: the morning, that motherfuck is playing till and then even

1158
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: against Verev he's second on again, he finished at one

1159
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. And the reason I know this

1160
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: is I had to wait for him to interview him

1161
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: every time. So I'm like, every Grand Slam, this guy

1162
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: gets a shitty schedule. I don't know why they do

1163
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: it to him. I know, well, I know why too,

1164
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: because he's not quite as popular as Novak.

1165
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: Guys, well, he's exactly, he's in the worst position you

1166
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: can be as a star. I'm putting quote unquotes if

1167
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: you're a star on the tennis tour. He's in the

1168
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: worst position. He's the number three in the world. And

1169
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 2: he's always been number two or three in the world,

1170
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: which means there is one big star. He's Novak or

1171
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: now Sinner or it was al Choras for a while,

1172
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 2: who will always get the prime time seven pm schedule.

1173
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: But he's still a big star. So you put him

1174
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 2: in a slot where you're like not sure people will

1175
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: show up, but because it's media dev they will, and

1176
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: so he is. And that's in women's it's the same.

1177
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: Look at the number three player in the world. It's

1178
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: a little different in women because co and Coco is

1179
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: such a big star on her own, but like, yes,

1180
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: look at the other years when before Coco was the

1181
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: number three in the world, the three in the world.

1182
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: It's she's in the worst he or she They are

1183
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 2: always in the worst position.

1184
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: Always for Bakina in Canada, remember with the rain and everything.

1185
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: And they think they take it so personal. It's not personal.

1186
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: It's the number three world ranking. Don't be This is

1187
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: the get yourself to wors.

1188
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: But even when he was one, he was getting screwed.

1189
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you. And then of course India, well,

1190
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: same thing he played second on in Semis. He finished

1191
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: at midnight. I know the rain didn't help, but he

1192
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: was the one that was second on, so he gets

1193
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: less time to recover. Okay for the final the next day. Again,

1194
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: now he came out a little bit. He came out

1195
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: on fire in the final because he was probably like

1196
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: as he did in Australia, because he had zero. I mean,

1197
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: the guy had to be on zero in the tank

1198
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: at the Australian Open, comes out firing, standing up on

1199
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: the baseline, ripping winners all over the place, acingh coming

1200
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: into the net, like being like not a Kamakazi, but

1201
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: like really being aggressive. Same thing yesterday. Came out up

1202
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: on the baseline, not far back on the return like

1203
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: crushing winners all over the place, and you're like, oh damn,

1204
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: he knows. And also Jim Courrier said, well he's coming

1205
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: out because he knows again that he's probably got a

1206
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: little bit less energy. So he's taking it to ol Choraz,

1207
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: which he did, but then at some point the legs

1208
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: go and losing that first set killed him because there's

1209
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: no way on that court the way Alcarez plays, knowing

1210
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: that he beat also Medvedev on the same court, I

1211
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: believe the year before. It's like he plays that game

1212
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: where it gets high on Medvedev's forehand and he just

1213
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: is such an unbelievable athlete, and Medvedev can't finish the

1214
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: point of the net because his volleys just aren't good enough,

1215
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: and it's like he had to win that first set

1216
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: to have a chance and he just ran out of

1217
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: steam and then Alcarez just ran from there. But I'm

1218
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: telling you, atp give the guy a break, man. I

1219
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: know at the French Open it's going to be a

1220
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: bit different, and at Wimbledon it's a little bit different.

1221
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: But at the US Open, in the Australian Open, I

1222
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: know he's number three playing the world and he's going

1223
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: to get screwed.

1224
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: But I think it's bad for him. But if he's screwed,

1225
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: but even if he's number one in the world, as

1226
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: long as there is a Karaz and Cinema, it will

1227
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: always be just the next big star. It's unfortunate, but

1228
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: maybe if he dominates a while. And I think the

1229
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: year when he won all the US Series tournaments, basically

1230
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: he had a bit of a better scheduling, but not much.

1231
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: So.

1232
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's unfortunately the fate of the number three player

1233
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: in the world. You will always be scheduled. The second match.

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00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: Against Tommy was so good, and I mean, I gotta

1235
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: give kudos to Tommy Paul.

1236
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: He was playing amazing.

1237
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: I just talk about tinkering with your game. Yeah, Tommy

1238
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: Paul has decided to, you know, go and you know,

1239
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: set aside time to watch the masters of servant and vollying,

1240
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: the Boris Becker's, the Patrick Rafters, the Stefan Edbergs, these

1241
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: great servan valie players. That that's all they did when

1242
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: they played, essentially and study how they played those points.

1243
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: And I can tell you as a myself, as a

1244
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: servantvolleyer and somebody who was at the net, you know,

1245
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the time when I played, is that

1246
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: you have to learn how to move forward on what

1247
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: shot to move forward, how to rope and dope your

1248
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: opponent into hitting passing shots that you It's what I

1249
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: call it is. You sell them. You sell them where

1250
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: to hit the passing shot right. So you stand in

1251
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: a certain position at the net and at the last

1252
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: second you move to the open court. Because everybody, like

1253
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: if I ran into the net on you and I

1254
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: was standing in a spot at the net and you

1255
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: saw all this opening in the cross court, you would

1256
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: hit it there right. Most of the time, maybe you

1257
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: would anticipate that maybe I'm gonna rope a dope you,

1258
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: But most of the time most players see space and

1259
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: hit it there. And so you have to learn how to,

1260
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, basically bring the ball to you at the

1261
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: net and how to do that. And there's little moves

1262
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: that you can make. And he talked about it. He

1263
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: talked about, oh, I saw how he dukes at the

1264
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: net and how he moves, and I love that because

1265
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: Tommy knows he doesn't make a lot of errors, particularly

1266
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: on that backhand. But it's like, and he's a great athlete,

1267
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: very similar to Aria Sakari, but it's like, how am

1268
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: I going to beat these guys? And chipping and charging,

1269
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: hitting and coming in, doing the saber, doing the Roger

1270
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: Federer move, serving and bolling, coming in, disrupting someone like Medvedev,

1271
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: which is what he did so well, and then just

1272
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: fell short a little bit, hurt his ankle in that

1273
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: tie raak, which was such a bummer because it was

1274
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: a bad It was a bad ankle sprain. He went,

1275
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: he jumped in the air and came down like a

1276
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: basketball play and it was brutal. And the poor guy

1277
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: he got up and you could tell he was really struggling.

1278
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: But I want to just say to Tommy Paul and

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00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 1: to brad Stein and to his coaching crew, great job

1280
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: and implementing an extra layer into your game, which is

1281
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: what these guys have to do if they're going to

1282
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: beat the ol Cuzis and al Karaz is a perfect

1283
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: example who implemented a drop shot in the last three

1284
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: years better than him. That's a new shot in tennis.

1285
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: Now we all drop shotted, but this is out a shot.

1286
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: We've got to learn to hit a drop shot. I mean,

1287
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: that's what Roger Feder had to do to win the

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00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: French Open, because everybody knew Roger would go to hit

1289
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: his forehand is like, oh, he's going to rip it,

1290
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: So you would just stand twenty feet behind the baseline

1291
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: like Rafa and just wait for the shot, run it

1292
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: down and bank. Instead he started to implement a little

1293
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: forehand drop shot and you're like, oh shit, where does

1294
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: that come from? So implementing new shots are important for

1295
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: everybody to get better if they want to improve. Tinkering

1296
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: with the serve, egosyon tech, Tommy Paul running into the

1297
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: net and his volley game amazing and we're seeing it.

1298
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, remember when Zver Remember when Rafa and Medvedev

1299
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: played the final of the French Open US Open a

1300
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: couple of years ago and they were both serving in bowling.

1301
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,479
Speaker 1: I was like, what's happening here? Because they both knew

1302
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: to disrupt each other on the baseline, they have to

1303
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: be at the net. So I just love that from Tommy.

1304
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: He was unfortunate in the Semis. But again, Medvedev, he

1305
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: just is so freaking gutsy. I just I have so

1306
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: much respect for him, and I know he gets a

1307
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: little stoppy on the court sometimes, like yesterday was egging

1308
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: the crowd on because I think he's he gets a

1309
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: little it's a little tough for him because people love

1310
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: Alchoriz so much that they don't give Medvedev any credit

1311
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: in a lot of way, and it's sort of hard

1312
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: to watch sometimes because same at the Strain and open

1313
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: with Sinner, It's like he doesn't get as much love

1314
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: as I think he deserves, and he he does deserve

1315
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: it because he is such a warrior. I really like

1316
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: him as a player.

1317
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: And I really have to say and just makes me

1318
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: really angry the way. I didn't understand the extent of

1319
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: what Netflix has done to medvede reputation until I talked

1320
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: to a few people who are not in tennis, because

1321
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm so much in tennis that everyone I talked I

1322
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, there was a bullshit portrayal, and

1323
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: we moved on because we all know Medvedev is a

1324
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: great guy. But talking to people that are not in

1325
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: tennis that just watched this series and it came up

1326
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: to me, I was like, Medvedev is such an asshole,

1327
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: and I would be like what, They're like, he's the worst.

1328
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: I was like, don't ever say this ever again. And

1329
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: it made me on like three months later, it makes

1330
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: me angry because at that time I just thought that

1331
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: Wish would portrayal let's move on. Well, let's just put

1332
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: that aside. But you can't put one of the guys

1333
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: who's the most beloved on the ATP too, And yes

1334
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: he has weird quirks everyone every player has, but he's

1335
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: and that should you, That should tell you enough. Except

1336
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: for Zverev, every single ATP player in the top hundred,

1337
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: so ninety eight out of one hundred players love Daniel Medvedev.

1338
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: In every single interview, They're like, who's the funniest Medvedev?

1339
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: Who's this artist Medvedev? Who is the coolest Medvedev? He

1340
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: wins every single time, and Netflix goes ahead and portrays

1341
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: him as the villain. Honestly, f you Netflix, f you?

1342
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: Butter' not okay? Yeah, and so my suggestion is not okay.

1343
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: It makes me really angry because it has because all

1344
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: the people in India welles. Not a lot a lot

1345
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: of people in Innu wells time to watch Indian wells,

1346
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: and maybe they have watched break Point, but they are

1347
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: not in it. Like people who listen to the podcast,

1348
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: probably who are inside in all the freaking time and tennis,

1349
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: they don't know Medvedev is a great guy. They saw

1350
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: this and they think, I'll look at this asshole and

1351
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 2: now he's egging on the crowd. Fits with the image, right, Yeah, yeah,

1352
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: for sure, and it's so unfair.

1353
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: So here's my thing, and I love that you're getting

1354
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: that angry about it, and me too, because that is

1355
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: not right. And he is genuinely such a nice guy

1356
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: off the court. I can tell you that from my

1357
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: own personal experiences with him and conversations I've had with him,

1358
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: he is a great guy. He's caring, he always says hello,

1359
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: he's there for a hug. I mean, I don't know

1360
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: if anyone that follows me saw that little video I

1361
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: did after he won that match in the morning, and

1362
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: he just he plays along with stuff. He's nice anyway,

1363
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: I hope. Well, I think they just let me finish

1364
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: this work when they do the Alcorz thing next year,

1365
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: which they are doing now because they've been been proning

1366
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: it crazy and so is Alcarz, which is great. We've

1367
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: got them in tennis still with Alcorz because it's going

1368
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: to be hopefully great. Do the right thing. If Alcoraz

1369
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: plays Medvedev again, or you show anything on Medvedev, please

1370
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: show him in the light that he truly is, which

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01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: is a nice guy, not an asshole. So Netflix thumbs

1372
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: down to you on that, and you better you might

1373
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: get a thumbs up from me if you portray him

1374
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: a little bit better.

1375
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Speaker 2: And it's just what I asked. I don't even ask

1376
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: to portray him as a hero or the nicest guy

1377
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: in the world. Just show him and the full complexity

1378
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: that he is as a tennis player and a person,

1379
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: because we all are a multitude of things. We're not

1380
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: always the nice guy, not always. But if out of

1381
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: one hundred guys in the locker room, ninety eight like

1382
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: you and the one who doesn't is Veref and the

1383
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: other one is yourself, you have to question your portrayal

1384
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: of what you just think exactly. That's insanity. To me,

1385
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: that is insanity. Have you not talked to anybody in tennis?

1386
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: Have you not done it? So your narrative is more

1387
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: important to you. In a reality show, this is different.

1388
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: If we're talking is a docu series. Yes, this is

1389
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: not even a reality This is a docu series. We're

1390
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: talking about a docu series. If you're writing fiction, I

1391
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: write fiction. You can do whatever the fuck you want.

1392
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: But then you're writing my name is different in your book,

1393
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean.

1394
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: That's fiction. But if you write, if you do a docuseries,

1395
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 2: you have to talk to people. I know a few

1396
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: documentary filmers, and I know a few documentary makers. They

1397
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 2: talk for years and months to people inside the sport

1398
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: or whatever it is and the realm of what they

1399
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: are filming, so they can gather a kind of sense

1400
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: of what this world is made about before they even

1401
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: go in filming. Yep. So this to me is an

1402
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: unacceptable thing, and I really hope they do him right

1403
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: because so many people who are not inside tennis he's

1404
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: an asshole now and that's not okay.

1405
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: So if I could explain to you the vein poppage

1406
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: from my friend here, but isn't that unfair?

1407
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: It is good people. Did people come up to you

1408
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: asking you like, oh, what a bad guy is Medvedev?

1409
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: For sure? But so I'm going to explain to you

1410
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: the redness and the vein poppage out of my friend here.

1411
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: But we would like all of you that have thankfully

1412
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: listened to us, and you know we'd love you for

1413
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: listening to us, is that you please spread the word

1414
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: that what was portrayed on Netflix when it comes to

1415
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: Medvedev is bullshit. Okay, the guy is great, So please

1416
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: pass it on to all your tennis fans and all

1417
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: your tennis friends. So when you go and watch this

1418
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: guy play, please be supportive of him because he is

1419
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: a master of being a great tennis player who's as

1420
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: gutsy as hell, and I love him. And he finishes

1421
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: a match at fucking one am in the morning and

1422
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: comes the next day and gives one hundred percent. And

1423
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: you should, as fans, appreciate this guy because he is

1424
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: the best. So anyway, on that note, let's clean it

1425
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: up and say we have.

1426
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: To talk about Alciraz a little bit.

1427
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: The guy's unbelievable.

1428
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: Well, I want to say two things about al Choraz

1429
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: that I think are the reason why he won Indian

1430
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: Wells number one even before the injury loose. He found

1431
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: patience again. He didn't have patience. Absolutely, he didn't have structure.

1432
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: He didn't have patience. We still saw the talent, but

1433
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 2: he didn't know how to build a point to win it.

1434
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: These guys are the best tennis players in the world.

1435
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: Your talent is not going to be enough. You need

1436
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: to build the point. And Jim Courier mentioned it over

1437
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: and over again. He said, oh, he found the patients again.

1438
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: He found the patients again, and he.

1439
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: Wanted correctly against Zara fun Exac played correctly against Medvedev.

1440
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: He waited for the patient the right shot, so you're

1441
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: perfect in that analysis.

1442
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: That's number one and number two. He also found his

1443
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: drop shot again you mentioned it before. He didn't have

1444
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: the feel for it. I don't know what it was.

1445
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 2: Maybe he was rushing it, maybe because he was lacking patience.

1446
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: He thought it has to be too good. So he

1447
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: missed it lot. And this was the first tournament in

1448
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: a while where he really found first of all, the

1449
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: perfect timing of when to play it, and second of

1450
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: all the right positioning, not too risky, not too.

1451
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: It was bombing his serve too. He was serving better.

1452
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: And one thing also, and we love giving Jim credit.

1453
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: One thing that Jim also highlighted one of the reasons

1454
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: why he was comparing great service right and why is it.

1455
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: For example, novakserv when he first started out was pretty shit. Okay,

1456
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: he would double fault, his elbow was too low. There's

1457
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: a lot of things going on, something that I think

1458
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: Gorian has really helped him with. But he's an amazing

1459
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: spot server. So when you look at novakserv, now, would

1460
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: I teach Novak's service motion? Absolutely not. I don't think

1461
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: it's a great service.

1462
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: Much the same with the Poto's forehand, you would never

1463
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: teach them. Still, it was actually the best forehand ever.

1464
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: But he has figured out a way to hit his

1465
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: spots and he aces more people than a lot of

1466
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: people do.

1467
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 2: An interesting point in that I ask a lot because

1468
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: I'm interested, because that's the one thing I can never

1469
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: again insight on playing men, because I only played the women,

1470
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: and there are things like I know how it feels

1471
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,479
Speaker 2: to play a cocoa goth, you know, so it gives

1472
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: me a bit more insight on other things. I know

1473
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: how Sabalenka's ball feels in your record, so this is

1474
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: really gives me a lot of insight. But I can't

1475
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: have that with men. So I like to ask players

1476
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 2: who have actively played Novak, for example, what is it about?

1477
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: What is it about him? And every single person I

1478
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: asked says he serves really well, which wouldn't ever be

1479
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 2: the first thing that comes to your mind. But I

1480
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: think with everything else and him serving the spots and

1481
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: then his strength from the baseline really messes with your

1482
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: mind because now you can't even get an inn on

1483
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: his serf, which used to be a thing that you

1484
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: could maybe find a.

1485
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: Way, particularly the second serve, and he would give you

1486
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Speaker 1: a double fault here and there, especially under pressure. But

1487
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: I think the two things, there's a couple of things.

1488
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: One like ruff has never been a big server, but whatever,

1489
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: But I think about, you know, the great service, like

1490
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: even with how he's banging it down, but he's six

1491
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: foot four whatever. You know, Carlos is not tall. Benita

1492
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: was Roger Rogers what six to one something like that,

1493
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: so a little he's slightly taller than Carlos but very

1494
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: similar in height. But Roger was an amazing spot server.

1495
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: So they did a diagnosis of where they serve as

1496
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: far as the hawkeye, and Rogers was always like super

1497
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: close to the line, as is Novak's. Right, So when

1498
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: you're talking about two guys of the same height Roger

1499
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: and Carlos, Carlos's spots are nowhere near as good. They

1500
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: are like a good foot from the sideline right. So

1501
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: he's hitting it good, and he's hitting it big and

1502
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,600
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, but he's not hitting it

1503
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: close to the line. Was Roger would hit it really

1504
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: close to the line. So I think one area that

1505
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 1: he can improve on is his spot serving, and Jim suggested,

1506
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: you just got to take the cans man, put the

1507
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: cans down like we all do as professionals, and you've

1508
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: got to hit that can over and over and over

1509
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: and over again on the line or just before the

1510
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: line and not a foot from the line, because that

1511
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: allows a sinner, a Medvedev, you know, a runa a Novak.

1512
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: It allows him to get the return back into the court.

1513
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: And if you're playing on a fast court and that

1514
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: ball's coming back over and over again, at some point,

1515
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: you're going to lose your serf. Whereas on a fast

1516
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: court particularly, you should be able to hit those spots

1517
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: and get free points, which Novak does. Which sinner does,

1518
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: you know? Which all these you know, big servers do

1519
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: and Carlos doesn't. So he has to work so hard

1520
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: for his points. And so that's one area that he

1521
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: can improve on, and that's why he'll win more on

1522
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: a fast court. I mean, yes, he won Wimbledon, but

1523
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: to be honest, I was I was there live for

1524
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: that match. He served incredibly well in that match against Novak,

1525
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: so that's where he was getting three points. So that's

1526
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: an area that he can improve on because everything else

1527
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,440
Speaker 1: is fantastic. Yeah, the guy is so good for the sport,

1528
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: the fact that he loses points and smiles and he's

1529
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: just I love him.

1530
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is one thing the bottle play child.

1531
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: He's a play child. What does that mean? He's a

1532
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: play child. He cannot just here multiple times yesterday because

1533
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: he was so much better than he was twenty second.

1534
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: Yes, you have a ball kill it.

1535
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: If you play best of five, you can't be playing

1536
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: dropshot love for the next Maybe he won't do it

1537
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: and best of five, but that costs him matches because

1538
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: he's a play child. He has to get rid a

1539
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 2: little bit, not of the whole play child, but he had.

1540
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 2: It's five percent, but it's where he.

1541
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: Finds and I think this is important. I agree.

1542
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 2: I agree five percent. I'm not saying the whole play

1543
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: child just five percent.

1544
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: I agree. But the thing that he that I love

1545
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: about it is that he loves entertaining and he loves

1546
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: the play. He loves the screaming and the and the

1547
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: and the you know they're getting the crowd into it,

1548
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: and the hand behind the ear like I can't hear you,

1549
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: and it's not done with like malice. It's so he

1550
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: loves the show, and it's very similar to Roger. Roger

1551
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: loved the show as well. And Roger obviously had the

1552
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: talent to use like novakum in Alcoriz in a lot

1553
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: of ways where he could hit this and he could

1554
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: slice that, and he can hit a tweener and all

1555
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: this stuff, and he loved that. And that's actually what

1556
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: made Roger enjoy his the sport for so long. So

1557
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: I want him to keep the play child, to love

1558
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: the sport and continue to work hard and love the

1559
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: sport maybe two percent less.

1560
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 2: Roger never had that be in the way of winning

1561
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: a match, yep, Carlos sometimes does do you think that now?

1562
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: He did?

1563
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: But he's twenty one? What is he twenty?

1564
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: Roger was nineteen when he came up, and he never

1565
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: had that.

1566
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: So that's how many Grand Slams had Roger won by

1567
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: twenty one zero? Jessico, can you look that.

1568
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 2: Up for us? I think he won Produces when he

1569
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: was twenty one.

1570
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, you know, if he's got the play, yeah,

1571
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: and he's won two Slams and he's dominating ATP one

1572
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: thousands as well at his age, I don't know.

1573
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 2: I'm all for the play child. I think it's so

1574
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 2: important to get the crowded. I just think sometimes he's

1575
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: won four until he.

1576
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: Was too know how many? How much?

1577
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 2: Oh he was twenty two and then go thank.

1578
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: You, Jesse. So twenty two years of age, he's already

1579
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: won two slams, okay, and he's where he's at. He's

1580
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: been number one in the world, and you think about that,

1581
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 1: So I want him to keep the play child. Just

1582
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: play child when you're playing against the best of the best,

1583
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: as in Novak and Medvedev and Sinna, when you can

1584
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: finish the point a little bit early. And also it's

1585
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: just less, it's just less, less miles on your own legs.

1586
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I just think if you can streamline it

1587
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: a little bit, because we saw and I said that

1588
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: and it's interesting we had to play child, play child.

1589
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: But we had this discussion before, and I think the

1590
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 2: difference in on a slower hardcore between Cinner and al

1591
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 2: Charras was that Alchoras has more variety and Sinner tried

1592
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 2: but it's not natural to him yet. But that's the

1593
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: amazing thing about yan Nick. He improves month in, month out.

1594
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 2: You see him every month, and he has incorporated something

1595
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 2: new into his game and so and this is great

1596
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 2: that he will get more. And he said it actually

1597
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 2: in the press conference, he said, I got too predictable.

1598
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: I played good, I played well, I played so well

1599
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: in the first set, but I got too predictable. And

1600
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 2: Carlos never is. So the play child is strong. Just

1601
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 2: reduce it by five percent.

1602
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: I also I think that I also think that Yannik

1603
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: just stopped hitting his back and down the line in

1604
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: the second set and stopped being a little bit aggressive early,

1605
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: and then al Choraz got into the match and then

1606
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: it was sort of over. But it was It was

1607
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: a joy to watch all these matches, all these players.

1608
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: We've got so much depth in just terrible weather. Terrible weather,

1609
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 1: but you know what, we're so used to that in

1610
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: Anie Wells where we've I played a doubles final there

1611
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: one year and I did not warm up for the final,

1612
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: which is unheard of. I mean that's unheard of. Right.

1613
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: I went into the gym, I ran, I got a sweat.

1614
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: My only warm up was the five minutes before the

1615
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: match because the wind was so bad. They only have

1616
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 1: a time that's happened to me was Doha, similar conditions.

1617
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: The desert, right, we get the desert storms. Literally, that's

1618
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: where desert storms come from. So I was playing with

1619
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: Kafetta Peshkit in Doha and we did we walked out

1620
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: and we went was the point. And then I was

1621
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: playing with Lisa in Indian Wells. We did warm up,

1622
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 1: so the wind out there can be friggin' awful. And

1623
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: then of course we had rain and we had bees

1624
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: and it was like a plague can hit Indian Wells.

1625
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: But what didn't hit Indian Wells and plague was the

1626
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: level of tennis that everyone played considering how bad the

1627
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: conditions were. So just the congrats on everyone out there

1628
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: for just giving us Everything'll be interesting to see how

1629
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: slow or fast Miami Miami is. It's all about the

1630
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: sand granulas that they put into the when they lay

1631
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: down the court, how much sand gets into the court,

1632
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: And of course in Indian Wells, it's almost natural that

1633
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: sand is going to be more involved in the court

1634
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: because of the sand out in the desert. It literally,

1635
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: if you ever go out there and they show that

1636
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: big drone shot, you see the sand like blowing around,

1637
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: It's like it gets in your eyes out there. So

1638
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: that's also going to get into the mix on the court,

1639
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: so it slows the court down a light a little

1640
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: bit interesting to see how quick Miami is. We'll have

1641
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: a fairly good idea after a few days and we'll

1642
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: hear from the players. But overall, it was a great

1643
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Petko, you are heading down to Miami,

1644
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: imaving like a couple of hours. Yes, working for Tennis Channel,

1645
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: So we can't wait to listen to you down there.

1646
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: I will be here listening to you and your should

1647
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: come down lovely times. Maybe I will.

1648
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 2: Why don't you come down and we can just have

1649
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: a little couple.

1650
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: Of days in the sun.

1651
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: And we can do every two days one podcast. Okay, well,

1652
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 2: let's see how we do a podcast for pops there

1653
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: we do.

1654
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: Guys, Thanks for listening to us today. We love bringing

1655
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: it to you with the sights and sounds of Brooklyn

1656
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: behind us, with the ambulance and loud.

1657
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 2: Sorry for that, it's just no, it's fine.

1658
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: We've got excellent microphones thanks to Jesse Kotanski, our producer

1659
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 1: and your boyfriend, who's awesome. So anyway, thanks for listening

1660
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: to us. All guys will be back soon, I promise,

1661
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: and thanks for hanging in with us. I know you

1662
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: come at me and pet Goo log when's the next pod.

1663
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: It's more about Petco than me, so you can blame her.

1664
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: But guys, thanks for listening to us today. We love

1665
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: you guys. And should we say choose now we're in

1666
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:45,799
Speaker 1: the US, should.

1667
01:15:45,600 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 2: Just say bye bye? Let's just do bye