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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Big Blue Kick OFLF live right here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com, joined by Lance Mental. I am

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Speaker 1: John Schmell to one four five one three. Hashtag Giants

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Speaker 1: Chat on Twitter if you want to participate that way,

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Speaker 1: we can talk some Giants football and Lance Editory. Minicamp

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Speaker 1: begins next tomorrow. I was gonna say next week begins tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: It's runs from Tuesday to Thursday. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: a programming note for those who like to tune into

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Speaker 1: the show live. The show on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday

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Speaker 1: will be from one to two instead of twelve to one.

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Speaker 1: Uh to accommodate practice time and media availability time, so

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Speaker 1: we can talk about what happened at those two sessions

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Speaker 1: before we come on the show here at once. So

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Speaker 1: again Tuesday through Thursday, it'll be one to two instead

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Speaker 1: of twelve to one. We talked about a little bit

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Speaker 1: on Friday. Well, Art Stapleton from the Record joining us

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Speaker 1: at twelve ten. Um. Not a whole lot more to

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Speaker 1: see than O t is because the rules are the same, Lance,

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Speaker 1: But what are you most looking forward to seeing this

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Speaker 1: week in medatory minicamp? Well, I mean we touched on

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Speaker 1: a little bit Friday continuity. I mean, to me, that's

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Speaker 1: the big thing you You want to see the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: continue to gain some rhythm with some of the main starters,

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Speaker 1: especially since we're anticipating John that everybody. I know it's

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Speaker 1: mandatory minicamp, but even when you take into consideration the

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Speaker 1: health of this team and the attendance that pretty much

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Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be on hand taking part in some capacity

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Speaker 1: of mini camp. I think it remains to be seen

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Speaker 1: how much Odell Beckham will do, given the fact that

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Speaker 1: they're working him along slowly. But I think for the

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Speaker 1: most part, you're gonna have the main weapons at the

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Speaker 1: disposal of Eli Manning and the same thing with respect

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Speaker 1: to the defense. So you know, this is an opportunity

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Speaker 1: for everybody to continue to come along and build upon

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Speaker 1: what they did through O. T. A. S and And

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen some flashes here or there, but

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Speaker 1: I think obviously, if you're Pat Shermer, you want to

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Speaker 1: see three solid days before you break as a team,

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Speaker 1: because then it's gonna be a good six weeks before

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Speaker 1: they actually put the pants on. Yeah, I think it

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Speaker 1: piqued some people's interest a couple weeks ago when Pat

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Speaker 1: Schremer said, Oh, that was really really close, and then

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Speaker 1: they asked, well, is he gonna do stuff in minicamp? Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see, folks. I will be

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Speaker 1: the most surprised guy in the world if somehow Odell

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Speaker 1: and team drills and one on one or any of that.

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Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he was doing individual stuff. No

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Speaker 1: reason to Russia take it slow. I'd be shocked if

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Speaker 1: he did anything. So. I know people have talked about that,

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Speaker 1: but there's no reason for the Giants to really move

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Speaker 1: that quickly with him. No, I think he'll continue to

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Speaker 1: do maybe some individual running on the side, John, I

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Speaker 1: physicality with respect to that. Now, Lendon Collins maybe wouldn't

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Speaker 1: So if it's held, it's held, and it's not like

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Speaker 1: John and the ones that you know don't necessarily have

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Speaker 1: This is the last chance for both place kickers to

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Speaker 1: perhaps um, a more veteran kicker will be brought in

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Speaker 1: at some type of four camp. But this is a

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Speaker 1: chance where both of these guys said, you know what, No,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to bring in a veteran kicker. You

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Speaker 1: know you have Marshall Cooney of Aljack Rosas show the

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Speaker 1: making a miss, it's that simple. No, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anything to watch, who would have

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Speaker 1: kicking competition. And from what we've seen in O. T. A. S. John,

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Speaker 1: So Rosas can't feel as if, hey, whatever I showed

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Speaker 1: So just stuff to keep an eye and as we

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Speaker 1: His art Stapleton from The Record North Jersey dot Com

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Speaker 1: USA Today art. You got smelking meadow today? How are you,

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Speaker 1: smilky Bato? How are you doing? Did you manage to

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Speaker 1: take a couple of swings at that softball game over

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Speaker 1: the begin No, not at all. I would not step in,

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Speaker 1: Who didn't look good in the batter's box? I want

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Speaker 1: to know, let's see, Well, no one in the media,

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Speaker 1: And this time around, Davis just dominated the uh the game.

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Speaker 1: And I have to be honest, for Giants fans, there

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Speaker 1: You know, the players are cheating on both sides. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's not legitimate. You know, it's not the movie

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Speaker 1: Dodgeball that you know, you know everybody goose on. But

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Speaker 1: I mean the plotting and you know there were some

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Speaker 1: and he's diving around like crazy. The highlight of the

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Speaker 1: It was a fun night to talk to a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. But uh, we get back to kind of

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Speaker 1: a bold strategy by Karie mackenzie. I hope it paid

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Speaker 1: off for him. He's a line from the Dodgeball movie there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, exactly, Well, like you said, let's get back

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Speaker 1: to the fake football aspects that will begin tomorrow. Art

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Speaker 1: versus Grant Haley. You have a blueprint of what William

429
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Speaker 1: Gay has done in the NFL. You may not think

430
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Speaker 1: that he has you know, a hundred percent left in

431
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Speaker 1: the tank, but you may see see him at Okay,

432
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Speaker 1: he's eight of the player he was. But now you're

433
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Speaker 1: projecting for Grant Haley. If you're the Giants, can you

434
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Speaker 1: go into training camp and project that Grant Haley is

435
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Speaker 1: going to be the guy? No, you can't you need

436
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Speaker 1: an insurance policy. So I think that's kind of why

437
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 1: I look at guys like William gay and and Mike

438
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: Comments to an extent, they are guys who they know

439
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 1: they can count on. It's almost like that comfortable sweat.

440
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Speaker 1: What I mean, you got those guys, and you know

441
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna go out to the to the club

442
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Speaker 1: in that comfortable sweater. That guy's got to prove me more.

443
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Speaker 1: But I think right now that's the fallback, and I

444
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Speaker 1: think the giants need more from the other guys, and

445
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Speaker 1: maybe they will deliver. We don't see you know you

446
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Speaker 1: you guys, at least John you have you you've had

447
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Speaker 1: a benefit of seeing all the O T as. We've

448
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Speaker 1: seen one O T A practice each of the last

449
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Speaker 1: three weeks, plus a voluntary minicamp. I mean, come on,

450
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Speaker 1: we're all making all of these judgments in the media

451
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Speaker 1: and myself included. We really haven't seen much in their

452
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Speaker 1: spring program. We could talk about talk about people, we

453
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Speaker 1: could talk to people, we could do as much reporting

454
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Speaker 1: as we want, But I think the true sense of

455
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: this team will be seen the first couple of weeks

456
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Speaker 1: of training camp, when we start seeing maybe some of

457
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Speaker 1: these position battles take shape. And the other thing is

458
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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer said last week, you know what, maybe you

459
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Speaker 1: shouldn't focus too much on who's with the first team

460
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Speaker 1: who's with the second team. They have their reasons as

461
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Speaker 1: to why they put guys. You know, Brett Jones wasn't

462
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Speaker 1: at center a lot in the O t A that

463
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Speaker 1: we saw. The most recent one UH with the first team,

464
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Speaker 1: John Halapio was. Now that's not to say that Jones

465
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Speaker 1: and Halapio are not having a great competition. I mean

466
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Speaker 1: I wrote a story on Alipio. He's a great story

467
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Speaker 1: and he may be the guy. But it could be

468
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Speaker 1: as simple as you know what, Brett knows this offense

469
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Speaker 1: better than anybody right now, Brett needs to be with

470
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Speaker 1: the second teamers because we got to get those guys

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Speaker 1: functioning at a high level. You know, I'm just speculating

472
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Speaker 1: at this point, but when Pat Irmer says something like that,

473
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Speaker 1: that's what I think. I think to myself, you know what,

474
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Speaker 1: he may be putting some guys who you know, he

475
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Speaker 1: tells them, look, don't worry about your packing order and

476
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Speaker 1: the depth chart. I just need you to get some

477
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Speaker 1: of these other guys up to speed and then we'll

478
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Speaker 1: worry about depth chart come July and August. So that's

479
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Speaker 1: something that I'm looking at going into this mini camp

480
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Speaker 1: and trying to keep in the back of my mind

481
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Speaker 1: that's where we're at with this team. It's still at

482
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Speaker 1: a building stage. Well, I agree with you, Aret, and

483
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: I think the depth chart the guys behind the starters

484
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Speaker 1: is going to be so important to focus on once

485
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Speaker 1: they put the pads on, because I think if the

486
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Speaker 1: Giants learned anything from last season, it's once your number

487
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Speaker 1: ones go down, you have to have reliable number two.

488
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Speaker 1: Is now you brought up the offensive line. You know,

489
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Speaker 1: if you start to speculate who may start, you may

490
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Speaker 1: be positioned where you have a guy like John Jerry,

491
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Speaker 1: if he makes the team as a backup, you know

492
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Speaker 1: you brought up the center position. Depending on who wins,

493
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Speaker 1: at least on paper, art, does it appear to you

494
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Speaker 1: that the Giants are in better shape potentially with the

495
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Speaker 1: second layer of the offensive line and the options they'll

496
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Speaker 1: have to plug in in the event that there are

497
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Speaker 1: injuries and guys missing sometime. Yeah, I do agree with that,

498
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Speaker 1: and I do think some of that comes from what

499
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Speaker 1: we saw at the end of last year. You know,

500
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Speaker 1: I do think that I mentioned Jones and Alipio. I mean,

501
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Speaker 1: I think both of those guys at the very least

502
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Speaker 1: project as reserve guys that if you need to plug

503
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Speaker 1: them in, uh, you know they'll function, and you know

504
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Speaker 1: one of them is going to be the starting center

505
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Speaker 1: barring something completely unforeseen. I think Dave Gentleman and in

506
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Speaker 1: the front office, and obviously Pat Shermer and the coaching staff.

507
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Speaker 1: It is about developing that depth. You know, you need

508
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Speaker 1: to get other guys. You know, right now, if Chad

509
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Speaker 1: Wheeler is your swing tackle, that's not that bad, you

510
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's not that bad. There are

511
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Speaker 1: people who want to put Chad Wheeler as the starter

512
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Speaker 1: starting right tackle. Well I don't know. I mean, but

513
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Speaker 1: if you develop Chad Wheeler as a swing tackle and

514
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Speaker 1: you can get Eric Flowers to somehow play to his

515
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Speaker 1: potential or at least somewhere near potential and just be

516
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Speaker 1: functional at right tackle, now you potentially have three tackles.

517
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Speaker 1: In the past, you didn't have any. You had a

518
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Speaker 1: move here starting left guard to play right tackle, and

519
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: justin Pugh. Now I think they've tried to turn that page.

520
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: There are a lot of undrafted rookies to here, you know,

521
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 1: the Evan Browns of the world. Uh, the idea that

522
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: where does these guys fit in? And I think that's

523
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Speaker 1: kind of where we don't see the big picture right now.

524
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: But I do think lance correct is that the depth

525
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Speaker 1: of this offensive line really is a focal point. And

526
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Speaker 1: we won't know until we get the training camp where

527
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Speaker 1: some of these guys slot in. You know, if John

528
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Speaker 1: Jerry who started, I think it was almost um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't have the sat in front of me, but

530
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Speaker 1: pretty much every game last year, right, I mean, I

531
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Speaker 1: don't remember him uh leaving. I remember him leaving a game,

532
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Speaker 1: but I don't remember him not starting. He started every

533
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Speaker 1: game for almost either two or three straight years, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you. Yeah, And originally when John Jerry

535
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Speaker 1: was brought here, the talk was that he was just

536
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Speaker 1: going to be a valuable reserves in haven't really even

537
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: played the role that he was supposed to play here. Um,

538
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Speaker 1: you know, if John Jerry is the guy that they decide, okay,

539
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: well we'll deal with this salary cap hit. It's it's

540
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: not a major and we don't need the nine thousand

541
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Speaker 1: that um we get if we release them, but he's

542
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Speaker 1: a guy who you know. If he's on your bench,

543
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: well then at least you know a guy. If somebody

544
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: gets hurt, you can bring John Jerry in at guard

545
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: and say, all right, well we know what we have.

546
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: It's not optimal. We'd rather have our other guys, but

547
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Speaker 1: you just never know, so I think, I think, and

548
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: that's the other aspect of this guy's on the offensive line.

549
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Speaker 1: Depth is the change and we really haven't talked about

550
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Speaker 1: a much. You guys may have, but the change in

551
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: special teams rules, especially on kickoff, is going to change

552
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Speaker 1: the complexion of what kickoff looks like. And some of

553
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: these bigger guys who are in the past counted to

554
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Speaker 1: be a part of the wedge or be a part

555
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Speaker 1: of special teams may lose their role there. So the

556
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Speaker 1: numbers games, as far as the roster constructions stuff, may

557
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: not change initially, but come the end of August, when

558
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: they're analyzing which positions and who's staying and who's going,

559
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: you may keep more linebackers, more receivers because they now

560
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: become a factor in the speed game of the kickoff

561
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Speaker 1: rather than what the traditional kickoff has been. And I

562
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: think that could change who stays around on the offensive

563
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: line as reserve guys. You may have an offensive lineman

564
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Speaker 1: that you carry that may only get out there on

565
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Speaker 1: field goal, you know, kick an extra point on the line,

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Speaker 1: because you're not gonna put them out there on kickoff

567
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Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, it's a speed game. It's

568
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: not about the big boys because they're trying to watch

569
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Speaker 1: out for the safety aspect. So I do think that

570
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: that's something that we don't know what it's gonna look like.

571
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Speaker 1: But it wouldn't surprise me to see the numbers on

572
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Speaker 1: the offensive line tweaked a little bit because you're now

573
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Speaker 1: not putting two or three reserve offensive linemen out there

574
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Speaker 1: on special teams because you want smaller players who want

575
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Speaker 1: faster Are we feel really good about obviously Odell Beckham Jr.

576
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Speaker 1: And Sterling Shepard being wide receiver one wide receiver to heck,

577
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Speaker 1: I'll even consider Evan Ingram past target number two or three.

578
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: However you want to sort that out. So the third

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Speaker 1: wide receiver spot on this team, how do you see

580
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: the competition Cody Latimer, Hunter Sharp Uh, some of the

581
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Speaker 1: guys behind them, Roger Lewis, and then I guess even

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Speaker 1: the more important part of the question is what do

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Speaker 1: you think the role of that third receiver is going

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00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: to be this year and will it be near as

585
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: prominent as it has been the last couple of years

586
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: under Ben McAdoo. You know what I'm expecting. Look, we

587
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: all do the same thing. You know, you guys have

588
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: done a great job talking to people in the past

589
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: and Patchmer's past what to expect of his offense. We've

590
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: all gone back and watched Vikings film and trying to

591
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: trying to see videos and crunch the numbers as far

592
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: as participation and are they running twelve personnel's thirteen personnel?

593
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: You know with the Giants, we knew it was thirteen

594
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: personnel and that was pretty much it. Um. I don't

595
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: think you're going to see that this year. So I

596
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: do think that third wide receiver role takes on a

597
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: different complexion. I think that you're going to see a

598
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: lot of Oldell Beckham, Starling Shepherd, Evan Ingram, and Red

599
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: Ellison and then say Kwon Barkley in the backfield. So

600
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: what is that third It's a great point. What does

601
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Speaker 1: that third receiver do? Well? If you're talking about a

602
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: Corey Laddermer or a Russell Shepherd. Those guys we know

603
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: they have special teams uh in their past and not

604
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: as returners, but as gunners. They've both been very good

605
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: as gunners in the past. You know, Shepherd didn't have

606
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: a great year in Carolina last year, but maybe it

607
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: was just an anomaly if you go back to random

608
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: talking Russell obviously, if you go back to that's what

609
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman saw last year as the former g M

610
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: of Carolina and why he gave Shepherd a contract to

611
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: come to the Panthers. So I I like Laddimer and

612
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Speaker 1: that's what I think Hunter Sharp has put put rusher on.

613
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: Roger Lewis. I do think Roger Lewis has had a

614
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Speaker 1: great spring. He's he's another one of those guys. You know,

615
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: he's been out there with the second team, but he's

616
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: been dominating the second team every practice we've been at.

617
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Roger Lewis has made two and three catches that have

618
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: been outstanding, you know, and different route were on in

619
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Speaker 1: different parts of the route tree. He's been great. He

620
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: wasn't that great on special teams last year. He had

621
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Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes. So for him to impress, you know,

622
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Speaker 1: you could be locked into a situation where Roger Lewis

623
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Speaker 1: has got to beat out Russell Shepard, not as a

624
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver, but as a special teams guy. So I

625
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: think that is where I see this wide receiver competition

626
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: coming down to is because you're going to have guys

627
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: who need to be versatile and might not be getting

628
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: as many plays on the field. Uh if everyone is healthy,

629
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Speaker 1: because I gotta imagine, you know, Sherman's got to be

630
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: licking his chops. The idea of you know what, I

631
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Speaker 1: keep Ellison as an option, but I can split Ingram

632
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: out all of a sudden, and now I've got Ingram,

633
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: Shepard and Beckham with Barkley out of the backfield. Now

634
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: you try to match up with my guys, and I

635
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: think that's kind of where it's at. You know, do

636
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: you rather have would you rather have Sae Kwon Barkley

637
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: split out? Or you know, because Dalvin Cook if you

638
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: look at the numbers, I don't have them in front

639
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: of me. But last year when Dalvin Cook split out,

640
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: he split out a lot for Pat Shermer and that

641
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: offense when he was healthy, So it wouldn't surprise me

642
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: at all. You know, if you're talking about your third receiver,

643
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: who do you want? You want Ingram split out or

644
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: Barkley split out out of the backfield or one of

645
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: these other receivers. And I think that really matters, uh

646
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: when they decide who is going to be on that

647
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, fourth, fifth, and even sixth spot. Uh, come season.

648
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: Talking with Art Stable due to covers the Giants for

649
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: the Record North Jersey dot Com USA today, and you

650
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: brought up Dalvin Cook small sample size, so there's even

651
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: so much he could tell based on the fact that

652
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: he only played two games last year before he went

653
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: down with the torn a c L. You brought up

654
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: red Ellison, Art and Evan Ingram, And I think most

655
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: people are just penciling those two in a battle that

656
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: I find the interesting is, Okay, who's the third tight end?

657
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: Are they gonna keep forward tight ends? What type of

658
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: a role is Shane Smith gonna have in this offense?

659
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: If they want to involve the fullback, where is that

660
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: going to be? Red Ellison? What has jumped out to

661
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: you from the limited opportunities that you've seen practice in

662
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: terms of guys like Kyle Carter, Darrell Adams, you know

663
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: who is obviously nearing the end of his rookie contract.

664
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: What type of an opportunity, what type of competition do

665
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: you see beyond the usual suspects like a Red Ellison

666
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: as well as in Evan Ingram. It's a crazy I mean,

667
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: it's a great another great point lands and I think

668
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how far beyond Ingram

669
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: and Ellison that the Giants want to go. Shane Smith

670
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: is obviously you know, that whole idea of Shane Smith

671
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: being listed as a as a tight end on the roster,

672
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: to me, I found ridiculous under Ben mc and do

673
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: in the previous regime. I mean, look, you's the fullback,

674
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: called the fullback, that's what he is now. Maybe he

675
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: can hill some of those tight end roles per se,

676
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: but he's a fullback. But that is a spot now,

677
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: and that's the spot that they want to use. I

678
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: don't know beyond the first two. You know, you you

679
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: mentioned Carter. Obviously, Carter has a history with with Pat

680
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Shermer from being in the Vikings. You know, um, if

681
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, Carter was waived in the playoffs when

682
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: they had to activate when they decided to activate Terry Bridgewater, right, uh.

683
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: And then the Giants picked him up on waivers. That

684
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: was really the first move that Pat Shermer made as

685
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: head coach with the Giants. They claimed him on waivers

686
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: and then they were rewarded him on waivers after the

687
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Um, so you gotta know that Pat Schremer

688
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: likes him. Uh, Jarrell Adams, I don't know the the

689
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: confidence that this coaching staff has in Jarre Adams. I mean,

690
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: you have a new tight end coach. Obviously Linda Wells

691
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: was here last year, so he knows Darrell. But that's

692
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying about the special team's aspect too. Do

693
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: you load up on tight ends? Those guys might not

694
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: be on your special teams. You may want to carry

695
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: six receivers instead of four or five tight ends because

696
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: you have you know, you have the confidence and the

697
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: guys that you have. So I think, Um, you know,

698
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: Garrett Dickerson is a name obviously a local kid. I

699
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: wrote about him a lot, We talked about him, and

700
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: just last week at the end of the O t

701
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: A s um He's a guy that obviously they like

702
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: that rookie minicamp. He can play in the backfield. He's

703
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: more you know, he can play h back, you'd be

704
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: out there be interesting if he's the kind of guy

705
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: that heightweight, speak, guy who maybe with a big summer,

706
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: could nudge one of those guys off at tight end

707
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: because they can look at him and say, you know what,

708
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: he's got the body type that we want to use

709
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: on special teams. Plus he's a guy that if Smith

710
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: goes down, we might be able to play him in

711
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: the backfield. So I think that's a great question. Lands.

712
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: I think you guys have kind of nailed all of

713
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: the points. I mean, there are certain there are uncertainties

714
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: involved right now with this team, and tight and is

715
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: definitely a spot we know they're going to use them,

716
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: But who are they going to use beyond those top

717
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: two guys. I think that's a very good question. Art

718
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: final question from me, and this might sound a bit

719
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: maccab but based on last year, I think it's a

720
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a question that kind of talks towards

721
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: the depth of this team and where they've kind of

722
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: improved from last year. Who are the players on this

723
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: team right now that you don't think the Giants could

724
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: survive without. Basically, if they happen to lose player X

725
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: some injury, you sit there and you're like, boy, as

726
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: much as this team has improved, I'm not sure they

727
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: could survive without player X. How many players would you

728
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: consider to be in that category currently on the roster? Uh?

729
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: Good question. Um. First guy that came to mind as

730
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: Nate Solder. Um, that would be a new guy. Obviously

731
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: we know the usual suspects. I mean, you don't want

732
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: to deal with no Odell this year. You don't want

733
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: to deal with with no s Kwon Barkley obviously Eli

734
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: at quarterback? Um, would you put your Jenkins in that category?

735
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: I think you have to at this point with the

736
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: depth of position, and especially if if Jack Rabbit is

737
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: gonna be at his best. You know, when he's at

738
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: his best, he's you know, you can make an argument

739
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: that there are no corners better than him. They may

740
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: be as good as him. Uh so I would say,

741
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: Joan Ras Jenkins is there uh snacks, no doubt. Um

742
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: at nose guards. You know what. It's kind of goes

743
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: back to our original point. O V is is an

744
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: X factor for this team if OV. You know, if

745
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: OV goes out, I mean I gotta think I think

746
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: is gonna have a good year. I think o V

747
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: is gonna have a lot of production, so I would

748
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: look at him there. I don't know the depth beyond that.

749
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if if you're telling me Lorenzo Carter is

750
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: gonna hit a home run and be and be you know,

751
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd, well, I'd say, okay, maybe they can survive

752
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: with no I'd say, I'd say there are probably six

753
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: to eight guys that this team if they suffer an injury,

754
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: would be uh would be in serious trouble. Fair enough, Yeah,

755
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: I think Genora's Jenkins to me, is the one that

756
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: really hits home. And this goes back to the point

757
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: that you brought up earlier, aren't you know coincidentally you

758
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: brought up DRC because he was at the softball game.

759
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: You know, look at what happened against the Packers in

760
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: the playoff game. DRC goes down and Aaron Rodgers starts

761
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: targeting the backup. So to me, if the Giants lose

762
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: the Genora's Jenkins or Eli Apple doesn't get back to

763
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: his old self as a rookie because of the question

764
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: marks in the depth chart at the secondary, I mean,

765
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: that could be trouble for this team, especially against the

766
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: schedule with so many great quarterbacks. Yeah, it could. I mean, look,

767
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: I think you know, we could probably I know, we're

768
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: focused on one team in the NFL. We could probably

769
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: focus on the thirty one others and talk about players

770
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: if they lost them, that kind of thing. But you know,

771
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: corner will be an issue, pass rush will be an

772
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: iss you offensive line will be an issue, and that

773
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: running back will be an issue because so much as

774
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: being laid at the feet of Sa Kwon Barkley and

775
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: how he's going to be a game changer at that position. Um.

776
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: You know, look, I like Wayne Gallman. I think what

777
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: John Johnson Stewart has done for his entire career uh

778
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: is to be commended, but neither are expected to have

779
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: that kind of impact that that Sa Kwana is. So

780
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: you have to put Sa Kwan and that mix as well. Um,

781
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting. I mean, i'd say running back obviously, quarterback.

782
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: Now you take an Odell. We've seen this team without

783
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. On the field, and we've seen it

784
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: with Sterling Shepherd having to be uh the guy. Sterling

785
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: has done well, but everyone else around them has not performed.

786
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: So I think, look, it's it's a puzzle it's a

787
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: puzzle like everything else, or maybe even not Ala. It's

788
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: a Jenga puzzle. You take one of the and we've

789
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: seen this Giant's team. If you take one of those

790
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: two Jenga pieces out, the tower collapses. That was the

791
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: two thousand seventy Giants, and they got to hope that

792
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: this year, UM, they do enough around them that they

793
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: can survive game to game with some of these knicks,

794
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: because you're not going to avoid that in the NFL.

795
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: But you can't avoid. You can't endure what they endured

796
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: in Week five against the Chargers and expect to be

797
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: a competitive football team losing essentially your top four wide

798
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: receivers in one game. Uh, that can't happen, and that

799
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: can't happen really at any position. I don't think any

800
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: team in the NFL is built for that, uh, to

801
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: deal with it over the long haul. Are two rapid

802
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: fires over under Kwon Barkley of the offensive snaps, UM,

803
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: I'd say, I'd say right about there, maybe a little

804
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: under maybe and the second you still want to get

805
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: Goldman and Steward in a little bit. I think second

806
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: one touches a game receptions and rushes over under um,

807
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: I take the number. I'll say under, just because you

808
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: still have number thirteen on the field, and if everything

809
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: goes well with O'Dell uh, you're not gonna want to

810
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: be forced feeding sa Quon if things aren't clicking when

811
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 1: thirteen is out. So ideally, I think there's a little

812
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: bit more balance. But look, I think sa Kwan is

813
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: gonna grab the ball and run with it this year. Uh,

814
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: with the job that they do, and if he can

815
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: pass protect, which all indications are he can. I think

816
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: he's a weapon. He's an every down weapon, and those

817
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: other guys are gonna be fighting for scraps. Thank you, Art, Okay,

818
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: thank good stuff. Appreciate all the time. Nice upwards and downwards,

819
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: left and right, sixty degree look at the New York

820
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: Football Giants. The Art Stapleton from The Record North Jersey

821
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: dot Com USA today give us a little over under

822
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: on se Kwon Barkley. To me, for some reason, I

823
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: find that very fascinating. We kind of talked about this.

824
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: Me and Paul did a show where we kind of

825
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: set Barkley's over unders for the season. Less you I've

826
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: done with you, maybe we'll do it later in the show.

827
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: We have a couple of calls. We'll get to them first,

828
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: but how exactly how much they're going to use them,

829
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: to me, and how they're going to use them, and

830
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: the frequency is going to touch the ball. It's it's

831
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: very fascinating to me because you know, Pat Charmera says

832
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: it takes a village at the running back position. I'm

833
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: curious to say how much name mixing. Oh, I mean

834
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: it gets back to why I would have liked to

835
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: have seen more out of Dalvin Cook last season, just

836
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: to maybe have a better idea of how perhaps they're

837
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: gonna use Cooked in an awful lot when he was healthy.

838
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: He did, because but it was such a small sample size.

839
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: You don't know over the course of the season were

840
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: they going to get to the midway point and say, hey,

841
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: you know what, now we gotta give Latavius Murray a

842
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: little bit more work, and now we gotta give Jerick

843
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: McKinnon a little bit more work. I do think, though,

844
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: real quickly before we get to the lines, that it

845
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be crazy to think that they're thinking more of

846
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: touches then necessarily carry. Yeah, so so that's why I

847
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: could see maybe you know, they want to get the

848
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: ball in the hands of s Kwan Barkley, you know,

849
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five times. I don't think that's crazy,

850
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: but remember I would also include special teams in that too.

851
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm not just including receptions and carries. It would just

852
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: be him some opportunities on kickoffs though, that to me

853
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: is included within that. Alright, let's get to the calls, folks.

854
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: You have a couple of open lines if you want

855
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: to get in the last fifteen minutes of the show,

856
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: will get your ride up. Jason and Charlotte will lead

857
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: us off on Big Blue Kickoff Live on Giants dot Com. Jason,

858
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: how are you good? How are you guys? What's up? Jay? Well?

859
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about c Klon Barkley and his

860
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: potential improvement as a blocker. I feel the Giants haven't

861
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: really been using chip blocking very effectively since uh maybe

862
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: Brandon Jacobs used to decleat guys and it was awesome.

863
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: Mad brand Show is another guy that they used. Yeah, yeah,

864
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: but I feel like none of the backs which had

865
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: recently have been very good at that. And basically it

866
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: opens up the field for you know, San to take

867
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: a guy out and and go out and run a

868
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: little easy rout that he could turn into the yards. Yeah. Look, look, Jason,

869
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: I think especially especially if you're helping out Eric Flowers

870
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: at right tackle, I think that's something Um we could

871
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: certainly see sake on Barkley do. And I think from

872
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: what I've seen, and obviously there's no contact, so it's

873
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: more mental reps. He's been pretty sharp on his butts

874
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: pick up. I've only seen him probably blow one blitz

875
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: pick up over the course of O t S where

876
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: you know he was like, oh, that's my fault. I

877
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: I read it wrong. I didn't get the right guy

878
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: on the blitz. I think he's been pretty sharp on though,

879
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: so and again he's two and thirty and and again

880
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: he's two and thirty pounds. He should be able to

881
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: handle picking up linebackers and safety. So I think he'll

882
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: be fun. Yeah, and when exactly a great Yeah, I

883
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: mean right now, if mentally he's getting a good grasps

884
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: of what he's expected to do, then you just hope

885
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: that that's going to translate what the pans are put on.

886
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: But remember Sa Kwan Barkley was asked to pick up

887
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: in past protection in college, so this is not necessarily

888
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: something that they're throwing him into the mix for the

889
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: first time where it's baptism by fire, where his most

890
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: young running backs they're not asked to pass protect and

891
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: this is their first taste of that element. So that

892
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: I think is the most encouraging aspect. It's not a

893
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: huge adjustment that they're asking sat Kwan Barkley to make. Uh.

894
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: It's one more quick question about on too um So.

895
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: I read the reports. I've seen his highlight reels, but

896
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't gonna show you like how he isn't picking

897
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: up the dirty yards. Is he a guy who do

898
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: you watch the film he picks up those four points

899
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: five yards and then busts one or doesn't get stuff

900
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: behind the line played about? I think Jason to me

901
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: and I watched a ton of his carries at Penn

902
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: State getting ready for the draft. He I'm not gonna

903
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: call him at all nothing guy, but I do think

904
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: he has some Barry Sanders in him in that you

905
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: know he'll sacrifice gaining three yards to try to gain

906
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: twenties sometimes. And I do think he's one of the

907
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: most complete backs I've ever seen. If there's one thing

908
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: that I really think he can work on, it's okay,

909
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: I'll take two and a half yards. I'll take three yards.

910
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: I'll take second and seven instead of trying to bounce

911
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: it and turn it into a ten or fifteen yard

912
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: game and then all of a sudden you're in second

913
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: and twelve. So and by the way, his head coach

914
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: told us that when we had him on the air,

915
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: and his offensive coordinator, and se Quon Barkley said that

916
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: about himself at his opening press conference. So it's not

917
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: like he seems like he's got a good head on

918
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: his shoulders and he's willing to take some feedback. Absolutely,

919
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: But I do think occasionally in in the NFL, you're

920
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: not gonna have the type of holes that you had

921
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: in high school, you had at lower levels of college football.

922
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: You basically, if you see three yards, you take three yards.

923
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: If you try to out athletic everybody and bounce everything

924
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: outside the guys in the NFL are too good, it's

925
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: not gonna work, yeah, and they're gonna force you to

926
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: lose yardage. I think the best parallel John to what

927
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: you're saying is in baseball, you gotta take the single

928
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: as opposed to going for the home run every time

929
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: you swing and that I think if he adopts that mindset,

930
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: I think he'll be in good chap and he's capable

931
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: to you. I think that single could set up for

932
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: home runs and then you bounce up quiet. Jason, thanks

933
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: for the call, no question, we agree. And and the

934
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: thing about it too, is that I often found looking

935
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: at his tape he didn't offer enough run like he

936
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: was two thirty pounds, like his running style was that,

937
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: and David get Him kind of said it, he's two

938
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: hundred thirty pounds, but he's the feet and quickness of

939
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: a little guy. And I feel like too often, despite

940
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: the fact he has the power, because I did see

941
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: it in a little short bursts here and there, and

942
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: he can do it. He's physically capable, but I feel

943
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: like too often he ran like he didn't want to

944
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: square up those pads and run somebody over. He was

945
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: trying to avoid that rather than I'm not saying run

946
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: to contact, but sometimes yeah, get two yards four forward

947
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 1: in the yard and a half and you're in second

948
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: and six. Great. I'll take that any day of the week.

949
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: And again, he's physically capable, he can do it. I

950
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: don't think he did it enough when he was in

951
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: at the college level, so he has the physical frame

952
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: you're going to do that. I think it will be

953
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: a telling factor. You know, what type of a role

954
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: do they have for Jonathan Stewart, Because that's Stewart's sambo

955
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: john what you're describing right now. Stewart's the guy you know,

956
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: he will easily run up the gut, He'll take the hits.

957
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: He'll give you two to three yards. He'll do it

958
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: in short yard age. You'll do it in the middle

959
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: of the field. Yeah, So I mean, do they want

960
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: him to take on the brount of that or do

961
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: they want to see a little bit more versus atility?

962
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: How to say, kuon Barkley. No matter how they want

963
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: to utilize Barkley, Barkley still has to show that he

964
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: can do that because then what happens is you become

965
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: too predictable to the defense, and then every time Barkley's in,

966
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, oh, well, he's the type of guy

967
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: that leans towards the outside. You don't want to have

968
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: that mindset is a running back. You want to give

969
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: the defense a reason to think that you could go

970
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: up the middle and you could also maybe bounce it

971
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: to the outside. Yeah, we started goal line too and

972
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: college and Barkley wasn't goal on. He wouldn't get so

973
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: lower his pads. He would try to go over the

974
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: top a lot. And that's kind of how we tried

975
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: to get a lot of his course, which is fine,

976
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: it works, but again I think, you know, just square

977
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: the shoulders, get low, grind out a few yards, piled forward,

978
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: and be happy with it. Scott, New Mexico. He's up

979
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: next on Big Blue Kick Off Life. What's up, Scott? Hi, guys?

980
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: How good Scott? I was? I thought that the dissertation

981
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: that Art Stapleton gave on the Giants was really pointed on.

982
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: And one of the things I was curious about and

983
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: I did some research, is the defense is that James

984
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: Spetcher ran in Arizona and for forty eight percent of

985
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: the time they were in nickel coverages, which I thought

986
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: was kind of surprised, and only were they in the

987
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: traditional three floor. But you know what, Scott, that that

988
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: that's not just Arizona, that's every team. Now, every team

989
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: is in nickel and sub a lot more than the

990
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: R and base. Okay, but but that also answered the

991
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: question of maybe why they didn't have as many um

992
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: pass or or UH you know, UH sacks as opposed

993
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: to some of the other teams and run the traditional

994
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: four threes and so forth, because when you're a nickel,

995
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: you have to have that fifth Either you could still well,

996
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: you could still blitz though the additional defensive back. Just

997
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: because your personels different doesn't mean you don't have the

998
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: ability to get to the quarterbacks of the field. But

999
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is you take this lot corner and

1000
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: you have in blitz or you have a guy on

1001
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: the outside blitz. It doesn't really matter to me whether

1002
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: you're in your base or your Nickels. So I don't

1003
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: think that's necessarily a factor that impacted the sacks. And

1004
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean they did have what I think thirty seven

1005
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: sacks if memory serves me correctly last season, which was

1006
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: just under forty, so you know, they were pretty much

1007
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: middle of the pack in the NFL. But I don't

1008
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: think the alignment had anything to do with the lack

1009
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: of production or perhaps you know, them falling short of

1010
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: what their ultimate goal was. Okay, In regards to the

1011
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: safety's UH, Thompson had one of the worst ratings from

1012
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: PROFO PO Focus I know he was really low. But

1013
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: my question also has to do with Landon Collins. Even

1014
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: though he's a pro bowler, uh ken he fitted to

1015
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: the scheme because again, uh they're going to do a

1016
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: lot of exotic blitzing, which is going to make one

1017
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: on one coverage is very important. So it's just curious,

1018
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: does he really fit into the scheme or does he

1019
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: or they gonna have to bring him down into the

1020
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: box more often than maybe just rely on, you know,

1021
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: four defenders back there are a combination of defenders because

1022
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know how good a cover guy he really

1023
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: was to take people like DeVonta Freeman or Camera that

1024
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: they're going to run into with the teams that they're

1025
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: going to face this year. So just in regards to that,

1026
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what they're gonna ask him to do. Though.

1027
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: There are two distinct safety positions in Betcher's defense. You

1028
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: have the safety position. This is a position that Antoine

1029
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: Bethet played last year, which is that single high deep

1030
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: and the way the Cardinals ran their defense last year, specifically,

1031
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: they were in six and was either cover one or

1032
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: Cover three. The year before, a combined seventy percent was

1033
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: Cover one or cover three and the same thing the

1034
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: year before. You're looking anywhere from sixty five to seventy

1035
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: percent of single high safety coverage from what Betcher did

1036
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: in Arizona. Okay, so that means you're gonna have one

1037
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: safety deep and that was you know, if you want

1038
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: to take a look to Seattle, that's Earl Thomas and

1039
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: then you're the other safety that comes down into the box.

1040
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: That was Camp Chancel for Seattle. That was Tony Jefferson

1041
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: in Arizona. And that's gonna be Landing Collins for the Giants.

1042
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: So yes, he is gonna be asked occasionally to guard

1043
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: a tight end one on one, but he's gonna be

1044
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: a robber. He's gonna be a run support guy. He's

1045
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a blitzer, he's gonna be a run to

1046
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: the football type of guy. So I think Betcher understands

1047
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: what he's good at, and he's much Patrick morn offense

1048
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: has said many times, we're gonna play to our guys strength,

1049
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: and he's gonna put Collins in a position to succeed

1050
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: another player. Just real quickly, Scott, before you continue that

1051
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: I would use as a comparison. Collins is not moving

1052
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: to linebacker in this defense, but how better used their own.

1053
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: Buchanan in Arizona is somebody also I think to watch

1054
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: because he's that versatile player that could do a little

1055
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: bit of everything, the jack of all trades type of player. Okay, well, um,

1056
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: can I ask a questions? Uh, sort of generally related

1057
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: to not necessarily Giants, but football in general. What do

1058
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: you got, um? There's been a rash of players that

1059
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: have been suspended for PD. The Giants have one, Josh Morrow,

1060
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: but I was looking at some of the lists like

1061
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: Julius Edelman and vante's Berthett Corey Liggett from the Chargers,

1062
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: And the question I have is one I don't know

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00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: if you guys can answer, but is this prevalent in

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00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: the NFL? Or is this something the NFL is trying

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00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: to work on, because these guys are gonna lose money,

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00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: And that was just curious. If it's just the pressure

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00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: of playing football with's, you know, just trying to keep

1068
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: your edge, it's that the reason why it's it's becoming

1069
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a problem. And I appreciate

1070
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: it's not an NFL problem. The NFL literally does all

1071
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: they can to educate these guys on what they can

1072
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: and they cannot do. The training staffs for all these teams,

1073
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: the nutritional staffs, you know, whoever you want to talk about.

1074
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: They literally tell these guys, if you want to go

1075
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: take us something or take something, you gotta tell us

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00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: what it is and we'll tell you if you're allowed

1077
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: to take it, you will. Literally you can call up

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00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: the NFL and say I want you take X. If

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00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: I take X while I get in trouble, the league

1080
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: will tell you yes or no. Um. And I think, unfortunately,

1081
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 1: you know, some players might be outright trying to cheat.

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00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think some guys probably literally take

1083
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: something over accounting. They think it's okay and it's not.

1084
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: I think it depends on a case by case basis.

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00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: Um And I think it's unfortunate, But I don't think

1086
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: it's a league issue. I think I think the players

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00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: have to just be very careful what they put in

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00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: their bodies. Yeah, I think it's a matter of doing

1089
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: the homework. That's really what it comes down to. These

1090
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: lists also tend to evolve from season to season, which

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00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: is more of a reason John that I think if

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00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: most players just take the simple step and listen. Based

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00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: on the percentage of players that were suspended, most players

1094
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: I figure are doing their due diligence. But it's a

1095
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: matter of to your point, you go to people who

1096
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: are on your staff, or you contact the league directly,

1097
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: and you make sure you get clearance before you put

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00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: that in your body. Because worst case scenario, John, at

1099
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: least you have a trail of paperwork if it gets

1100
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: to the point where there's some test that comes up

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00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: with a variation of a result where he said, well,

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00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I gave you guys this information. You

1103
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: gave me the approval, you told me it was legit,

1104
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: So at least you have that. Some players, if you

1105
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: just decide to take something on your own, even if

1106
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: you do your own homework. But you know, I don't know,

1107
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm no scientists. There's some chemical combination of two factors

1108
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: it leads to some type of a positive test. That's

1109
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: more of a reason why I think most players who

1110
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: have been suspended ultimately of just not doing their own homework.

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00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily a trend of what we're

1112
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: going to see moving forward, because it's still a very

1113
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: small percentage of the NFL body. When you take a

1114
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: look at who's been suspended over the last few years.

1115
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: We got three minutes. These are the over runners. I

1116
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: came up with Barkley when I was out with the

1117
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: Tino about a month ago. I'm gonna throw him at you.

1118
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: Let me know what you think. Okay, s kwon Barkley

1119
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: for the season one hundred and I'm sorry, two hundred

1120
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: and seventy carries over or under. I'll say that comes

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00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: out to I think sixteen carries a game. Sixteen or

1122
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: seventy carries. Again, I'll go over on that one. You

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00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: say over to seven in the seventy okay, eleven hundred

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00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: and ninety rushing yards. That comes out to about four

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00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 1: and a half yards per carry. I'm gonna go under

1126
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: on them. We go under eleven nine in the rushing yards. Okay,

1127
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: So you think it's the yards per Carro'll be down.

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00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: Then rushing touchdowns over or under. That's a good one, boy.

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00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: If he gets six rushing touchdowns, that be a huge

1130
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: advantage for the Giants, considering they barely have gone into

1131
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: six total as a team over the last few years.

1132
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: With respect to that, and are they going to use

1133
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: them in going one too? That's the other a question. Well,

1134
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: that's why I'm gonna go under, because I can see

1135
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: him getting four to five and Stewart taking away some

1136
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: other opportunities. More importantly, now we get to the receiving stats,

1137
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: which obviously is in tandem. Sixty eight catches over or under.

1138
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: That comes out to a little um that comes out

1139
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: to let's see a little over four per game. Well,

1140
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: i'll tell you this, he's not matching Christian McCaffrey's numbers

1141
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: last season. Well, I think he had even less than

1142
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: I think he had in the eighties. If I'm crazy,

1143
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: six maybe, yeah, but it was just a ridiculous number.

1144
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: So I don't see him getting there. Now. Their number

1145
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: was still below what McCaffrey did. I think McCaffrey may

1146
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: have even had eighty on the nose if I'm correct.

1147
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,959
Speaker 1: While you look that up, I'm gonna go I'm gonna

1148
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: go slight. I'm gonna go under on that one too, Okay,

1149
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: and then four receiving touchdown I'll go over on that one. See,

1150
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: I think I'll have more opportunities to get in the

1151
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: end zone as a receiver than perhaps on the ground

1152
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: based on how you and Arn't have hesitated on those,

1153
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I've picked some good numbers at least. Yeah,

1154
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: I know, I think those are valid numbers. And I'm

1155
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: not doing it so that there's not pressure on Sae

1156
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley. I just if you just look at some

1157
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: of these Versatil running backs. I mean, everybody looks at

1158
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: the college numbers and thinks that everything is gonna be

1159
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: a smooth transition. You gotta figure there are going to

1160
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: be some struggles and some bumps in the road in

1161
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: terms of what he's gonna have to deal with with

1162
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: NFL defenses. And even though the Giants have improved their

1163
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: offensive line, they're not marching out you know, five Pro

1164
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: bowlers either, So I think that's something else you have

1165
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: to take in consideration. Yeah, and listen, and there's other

1166
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: people throw the ball to too, by the way, that's

1167
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: the other thing there, and are brought this up. It's

1168
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: hard for me, And that's why I think it's really fascinating.

1169
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: You want to get the ball to Starlling Shepherd. You

1170
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: want to get the ball to back Hum, you want

1171
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: to get the ball to Eveding. Of these are first

1172
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: and second round picks. It's a good problem to so

1173
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: how many touches. Can you give the Barkley without underutilizing

1174
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: one of the other really good players. So I think

1175
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: it's a real fascinating thing to look at. Yeah, and

1176
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: we just, you know, without knowing what the world gloat is,

1177
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to tell. For example, well McCaffrey did,

1178
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: given the fact that he wasn't even the every down back.

1179
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: I don't know he avers like. So, I mean that

1180
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: was impressive. With Barkley, He's got Stewart now with him again,

1181
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: but you know Goldman too, you can't eliminate him. And

1182
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: then with Beckham back in the mix, it's not like

1183
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, oh, well, we're not gonna target Odell

1184
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: Beckham anymore. And Sheppard and the season Ingram put up

1185
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: as a rookie, it's a lot. That's why I think

1186
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: if you look at mark Ingram versus Alvin Camara, you know,

1187
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: maybe that's a better indicator. I mean, both of them

1188
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: had really good seasons, but maybe Camara is better. To

1189
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: look at the problemsises mccalf Camar's first three or four games,

1190
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: he didn't do a whole lot, So I think maybe

1191
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: how they utilized Kamara the last eight games, Yeah, because

1192
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: you're right, there was somewhat of a transitional phase Ingram

1193
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: was really the heavy lifter. But remember to the first

1194
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: few games to some keeters in also, so Alvin to me,

1195
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: his second half of the season is maybe a better

1196
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: indication perhaps of McCaffrey over the course of the year. Yeah,

1197
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: I buy that. Maybe the kind of like at DeVante

1198
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: Freeman Tevin Coleman type of situation. Though I think Barkley,

1199
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: I think that's more of a deal. I think Barkley

1200
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: will get a lot more than I think. He'll be

1201
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: a little bit harder than that. But those those are

1202
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: good young running backs I think to take a look

1203
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: at all. Right, another program, Remind that we said at

1204
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: the start of the show, will say it again, Uh,

1205
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: Practice and media avails are in the afternoon, or rather

1206
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: in the morning and early afternoon on Tuesday, Wednesday and

1207
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: Thursday this week so we use on overlap so the

1208
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: people that host the show could be as informed as possible.

1209
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: Go watch practice, go to media availabilities. Uh. The show

1210
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Speaker 1: will not be until one o'clock on Tuesday, Wednesday and

1211
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Speaker 1: Thursday this weekend. It's one to two pm during mandatory

1212
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Speaker 1: minicamp Tuesday Wednesday. Thursday. Show returns to noon on Friday,

1213
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Speaker 1: and then uh the summer schedule kicks him all some

1214
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: Fridays off of a week off to the week July four.

1215
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Speaker 1: We'll have all those details to you as we move forward.

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Speaker 1: Ferlance met On, John Schmell, thanks Art Stapleton for joining us,

1217
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Speaker 1: and thanks to the callers. Couldn't do without you. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow one pm on giants dot com. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you that, have a good one.