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Speaker 1: we hear from both the GM and the head coach.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me.

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Speaker 1: Eight days ago free agency officially began, and the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: did not waste any time. In fact, the team has

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Speaker 1: continued to stay busy to dates a total of nine

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Speaker 1: new signings plus one trade. How do the pieces all fit? Well?

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Speaker 1: We got a little insight stress the word little earlier

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday at Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Who to Baker? What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's ad the ten half of five. He's it again?

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Speaker 1: Are Hurry Magic Wow?

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig trailer.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into what Monty Austin Ford's and

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon had to say, I want to say, and

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Speaker 1: let's hope Paul Calvicy isn't listening though he really should be.

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Speaker 1: I have in my Handburg Gang. Thanks to Danny, one

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Speaker 1: of the highly coveted sought after Paul Bingo cards, and

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Speaker 1: for the first time, Danny, I played earlier on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta say I'm a good position after just

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Speaker 1: one episode of Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you never know what Paul's gonna say, so

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Speaker 1: Now I do have a question. And again, you can

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Speaker 1: follow along on all our Cardinals podcasts. He's a Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Forward Slash podcast. The discussion about UFOs doesn't counts, okay.

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Speaker 1: I just I had to get a clarification because if

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Speaker 3: You need to make the Bingos the cards bigger instead

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Speaker 3: of three by three. Paul says a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of things he did.

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Speaker 3: I got Isaiah maybe next time.

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Speaker 1: Crossa Calvic calBC dog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the new dog that his family rescued. Yeah, Cardinal's underground,

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Speaker 3: all right. I never know what you're gonna hear.

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Speaker 1: Very entertaining. And the fact that the two of you

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Speaker 1: it but doesn't play it, and you two are sitting there.

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Speaker 3: I can't give my card I haven't I haven't made

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Speaker 3: a Bingo card in months, something I did last year.

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Speaker 3: After talking about it for a while, brought it back.

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. I feel fortunate to be included.

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Speaker 3: You should not many people outside of Darren and myself

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Speaker 1: Five players received three year contracts. Justin Nichols, Blall Nichols,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's business. If you want players to come

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Speaker 3: all the money. Now, you have to find the sweet

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Speaker 3: It is a fair question. Austin Ford didn't really give

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Speaker 3: Friday before our regular season opener, and that's when I'll

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Speaker 3: let you know again. Do I buy that?

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Speaker 1: I applaud you for that. We will get an idea

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Speaker 1: because training camp, I think even before that. Now I'll

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Speaker 3: To like one on ones and OTA's and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'll go back a year ago and Paris Johnson Jr.

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Speaker 1: Might not be big names, household names, but the reason

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Speaker 3: But it is a good sign that you want to

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Speaker 3: experience that desma Ritter had in Atlanta. I wouldn't get

437
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: too caught up on the fact of oh, but he

438
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: lost his starting role. But the thing is you're not

439
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 3: bringing him in to compete against Kyler Murray. You're bringing

440
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 3: him into in worst case scenario, hopefully only used in

441
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: a small handful of situations, and then if you have to,

442
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 3: you could reassess from there. I like the trade sending

443
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 3: wide receiver Ronda Moore to Atlanta to get Riddter in return.

444
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: This staff very clearly likes big receivers. They had too

445
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: many small ones. I don't think there was a good

446
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 3: scenario which you had both Greg Dortch and Rondel Moore

447
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 3: out on the field with similar skill sets. They liked

448
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 3: what they saw in dorts because they tendered him to

449
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 3: sign in the future in return this season. I think

450
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: it was hard with this staff and with the previous

451
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: staff of finding the best way to use Ronde Moore.

452
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 3: It seemed like the best way was to use him

453
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 3: out of the backfield and maybe on a few deep shots,

454
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: but that wasn't consistent enough. So I like the fact that, Okay,

455
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: if you're seeing as a Cardinal staff, you're probably not

456
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 3: going to get a lot of use out of Ronde Moore.

457
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: Maybe there was a chance he wouldn't have even made

458
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: the roster the start of the regular season. You looked

459
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: at that trade value and you took advantage of it.

460
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 3: I would have liked to have seen Hollywood Brown return,

461
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,239
Speaker 3: who signed a one year deal with the Chiefs, and

462
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: we don't know if the Cardinals were giving out their

463
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: own offer trying to counter whatever Kansas City ended up

464
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: giving him. I can't sit here and say that I

465
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: would blame Hollywood of if you have the opportunity to

466
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: go play with one of the greatest quarterbacks of all

467
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: time and Patrick Mahomes, who has proven that he can

468
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: win with very little receiver help, and you can go

469
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: out there and be that guy for him, I can't

470
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 3: sit here and say that I would blame Hollywood if

471
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 3: even if he wanted to come back to Arizona, so

472
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 3: wish him the best. The fact, I still like the

473
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 3: trade though, of getting a backup quarterback who you trust,

474
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 3: because from what we saw in Cleveland last year with

475
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 3: Clayton Tune, even if he took monumental strides this offseason,

476
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: heading into year two, I feel a lot more comfortable

477
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 3: immediately with dozen Ritters the backup than I would.

478
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: With Clayton Tune, especially if you want to stay in

479
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: that playoff chase December January, and for whatever reason, you

480
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: don't have Kyleler on the football field. You bring up

481
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position, and specifically Hollywood put yourself in

482
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: his position. Cardinals projected mocked to draft one of these

483
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: generational talents at the wide receiver position. You have Michael Wilson,

484
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: you have Trey McBride. Despite the fact that Kyler and

485
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: Hollywood are good friends, there's a better opportunity in Kansas

486
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: City quarterback aside. Yeah, you got Travis Kelcey, but really,

487
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: who else do you have as far as a major

488
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: weapon pass catcher. I think this is great for Hollywood

489
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: and I wish him well too, would have loved to

490
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: have seen him here, but I just don't think. I

491
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: think Mani has a type when it comes to wide

492
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: receiver and these three, whether it's Marvin Harrison, Malik Neighbors,

493
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: rom adonsay, they're all big receivers six foot plus two

494
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: hundred pounds and they get open, they catch the ball.

495
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: Do they block in the run game? That's something I

496
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals coaches really need to figure out because

497
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: that's valuable in this offense. Because I do think it's

498
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: a run first offense. The wide receivers need to compliment

499
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: the run game. We still don't have an answer as

500
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: far as where this team is looking at when it

501
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: comes to the draft, because, as Moni said, wide receivers

502
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: come in different shapes and sizes. They come from big

503
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: schools and small schools. And that was basically the extent

504
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: when he was asked to not evaluate, but discuss the

505
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: depth and the talent in this wide receiver class. And

506
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: it's not a surprise that he went that direction. I

507
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: was hoping for a little bit more, a little bit

508
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: more about each of those three wives.

509
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: Theres no way he would ever name drop any.

510
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: Prospect, discuss the three different wide receivers, not to compare

511
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: and contrast, but just what he likes and what he knows.

512
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: I could see him talking up all three.

513
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: No, No, I think that that comes off from what

514
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 3: we've gathered of how little we get of because everything

515
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: he wore a top receivers. These are the three I'm

516
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: going to mention. I'm not going to mention the others.

517
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: This is where they are projected to be drafted. So

518
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: these are the teams that I am discussing a possible

519
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: trade with. Yet I don't think we would ever get

520
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: him to name drop. I will say, based on being

521
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: at the combine in Indianapolis and talking with a good

522
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: handful of draft analysts, it's it's similar to what we've

523
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: heard of. It's pretty much pick your poison. Do you

524
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: prefer A B and C or X, Y and Z

525
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: in a receiver? A lot of those things could probably overlap.

526
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: It's just your preference of what you are wanting from

527
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: the projected top three receivers.

528
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: Now a lot of questions about the draft on Wednesday

529
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: because Marvin Harrison Junior did not I don't know if

530
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: he attended, but he did not participate in Ohio State's

531
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: pro day on Wednesday, skipping the workouts, much like he

532
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: did at the scouting Combine. Big deal, not a big deal.

533
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: Moni was asked about it, said, it's the player's personal choice,

534
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: something he echoed back in Indianapolis at the scouting Combine

535
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: when Marvin a handful of other players did not participate.

536
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: Certainly selfishly, you'd like to see it. But at the

537
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, if you're that top tier talent,

538
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: top five pick, top ten pick, a pro day is

539
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: not going to help you any It can only hurt you. Plus,

540
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: it's not football. You're playing catch? Can you play football?

541
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: What does the tape say? And I don't think you

542
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: needed to see if you're the Cardinals Marvin Harrison Junior

543
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: out on that football field on Wednesday.

544
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: Harrison did do interviews at the Combine. I believe he

545
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: did medicals. Yes as well, says we can't say that

546
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: about every prospect of quarterback Caleb Williams, who is participating

547
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: in his pro day out at USC. It's interesting what

548
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: this will do to the future of draft prospects of

549
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: players that are going to be generational talents or players

550
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: who think they are and aren't, and just kind of

551
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: how this is going to change the landscape a couple

552
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: of years of players, those those top players not participating

553
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: in combine drills because they are not as contained as

554
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: or controllable as a pro day is, where really a

555
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: quarterback is throwing to receivers that he knows, he trusts,

556
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: he has practiced those routes with the timing and all

557
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: of that down so you look better at your pro day,

558
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: not just with Marvin Harrison Junior, but even Caleb Williams.

559
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: I mean not doing medicals and only doing medicals with

560
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: the teams that you're going to visit, and my pin

561
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: like wasting precious time because you're having to do medicals

562
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: at every single team and the fact that if it

563
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: doesn't work out and you're looking for another contract and

564
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: another team outside of whichever team you're going on these

565
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: draft visits pre draft visits to you know, I'm talking

566
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: three four years down the road. Now, these other teams

567
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: don't have whatever your medicals were. That's my side, rent

568
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: that I should get off. I just think it will

569
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: be interesting how the landscape changes, because it clear is

570
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: moving forward of these players putting more of a priority

571
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: of training for football rather than training for drills. Training

572
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: for combine drills, training for pro days, and doing all

573
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: of that.

574
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: I don't mind skipping the workouts because you're not playing football.

575
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: You're training for drills that you're never going to run,

576
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: and I don't care. You're forty times when you're not

577
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: in full uniform in cleats and someone's in your way.

578
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: And there's so much technology too to when when you're

579
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: out at practice or you're training or whatever it is,

580
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: the teams can track your speed and they can do

581
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: all of that as well.

582
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: Now for those that might want to skip some of

583
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: the medical or some of the interviews, I think it's

584
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: a handful, maybe only two or three prospects a year.

585
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: If that I mean you have to be the elite

586
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: of the elite. But where it might cost these players

587
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: if they are elite coming out of college, well, if

588
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out and all of a sudden, after one, two,

589
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: three years, you're looking for a job. Now, all of

590
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: a sudden, you've hurt yourself because you didn't do the medicals,

591
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: the interviews three years earlier at the scouting combine because

592
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: you thought I don't needed to worry about team number twelve.

593
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: I got no shot of every plane for them. Baker

594
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: Mayfield's a perfect example. Number one overall pick didn't quite

595
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: work out in Cleveland. Well, I'm sure the Tampa Bay

596
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: Buccaneers had all their notes from his scouting combine work,

597
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: interviews and medicals. Sometimes it's the second or third team,

598
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: especially for a quarterback. I guarantee you, Danny, not all

599
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: these top three quarterbacks, these four or five six quarterbacks

600
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: that everyone projects to go in the first round, not

601
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: all they're going to hit.

602
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: Look at all those the twenty twenty one quarterbacks. Trevor

603
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: Lawrence is the last one standing in his original team

604
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: justin Fields.

605
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: Another great example, Lamar Jackson was the last quarterback selected

606
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: in his draft class in the first round, and he's

607
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: a two time MVP. So there's no guarantee, but you

608
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: have to trust in those that are making the decision.

609
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: And do you trust Manti Austin Ford and company based

610
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: off of one off season one draft? I do. Now

611
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: we just have to wait and see, wait and see.

612
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: Also if the Cardinals end up picking at for I

613
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: know the phones have started ringing a little bit, won't

614
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: really pick up until pro days are finished and draft

615
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: boards are more finalized, and you get a little bit

616
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: further in free agency and you can kind of figure out, okay,

617
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: Awesoin Ford. It said maybe a week leading up to

618
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: the draft or when those talks really start to get serious.

619
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: But his phone's ringing. And if I'm a GM for

620
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: another team, and I saw what mania Austin Ford did

621
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: year one with the Cardinals. Three months on the job,

622
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: I am calling him every week for a checkup, seeing

623
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: how he's doing, what's going on with his family, how

624
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: golf is, how his boards. I want to be in

625
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: his ear. I want to constantly be a name that

626
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: if Austin Ford wants to go crazy again a good

627
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: way and work his magic want I want to be

628
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: one of the teams he wants to call.

629
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: And these phone calls right now, it's all prep. It's

630
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: nothing going. I don't think anything's going to materialize. If

631
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: the Cardinals do tray out at number four. It's not

632
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: happening before the Cardinals are on the clock with that

633
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: fourth overall pick. But it is going to get louder.

634
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: As far as those conversations, I think that's all it

635
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: is right now. It's conversations. Hey, if this happens, then

636
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: this plan a b CD. Because even though you're picking

637
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: number four right now, you still don't know what might

638
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: happen ahead of you. You think you know, but are

639
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: the Patriots really going to take a quarterback? What quarterback?

640
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: They don't take the quarterback? You think? Is there a

641
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: team that's gonna jump up to number four because that

642
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: quarterback that everyone assumed was going to be available or

643
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: not available is now available.

644
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: Or if one of these scenarios were Minnesota who desperately

645
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: needs a quarterback at eleven, If there's a thought that

646
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 3: the Vikings could make a trade up with the Cardinals

647
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: to four, is there another team so desperate that they

648
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: would be willing to make a trade with the Patriots

649
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: and New England drops down a couple spots. I mean

650
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of scenarios. I agree. I mean

651
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: there's no way you make a trade before the draft

652
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: and before you see how one, two, and three shakes out.

653
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: If you're Arizona, I will say I do have a problem,

654
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: not that you asked. I try to do a mock

655
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: draft simulator. I talked about this on Cardinals Underground. I

656
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 3: try to do a mock draft simulator. After seeing Daniel

657
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: Jeremiah's mock draft three point zero where the Cardinals did

658
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: trade down to eleven with the Vikings and they got

659
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: pick number twenty three, so Arizona ended up with three

660
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 3: first round picks. On my mock draft simulator, I tried

661
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: to do the exact same trade. I wasn't trying to

662
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: go crazy, given up four, getting eleven and twenty three,

663
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: and Minnesota kept rejecting my trade, and I was not

664
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Speaker 3: happy about it.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to see Danny madd I'll say this, though,

666
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why the Vikings weren't happy with it.

667
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: Should have been you as a general manager, not happy

668
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: that you were getting enough.

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00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 3: Maybe I should have been asking for more, and that's

670
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: why I kept getting rejected.

671
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: Because I love that mock Daniel Jeremiah's three point zero.

672
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: What you're getting in a edge rusher, a wide receiver,

673
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: and a defensive tackle. Now, what it's going to take

674
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals to go from four to eleven has

675
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: to be more than just eleven.

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00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: And especially for a franchise quarterback.

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00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: Yes, as they say, there's a quarterback tax when it

678
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: comes to draft trades.

679
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: I said this to Paul and Darren after seeing that

680
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: mock draft. One of my first thoughts was if this

681
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: happens in real life, the chaos that the following day

682
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: Friday will be when all of these draft picks come

683
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 3: and we do all of this content and all these

684
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: shows will be mayhem. And that was one of my

685
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: first thoughts as a team.

686
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: Employee, selfishly, because you know that's sometimes you have to

687
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: be a little sell fish. And if not all three

688
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: of those first round draft picks are in Detroit, then

689
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals have got to go pick them up, and that

690
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: could delay the start of things on Friday. And remember Friday,

691
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: the draft starts at four pm.

692
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: We are going to have things before four pm for

693
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: Cardinals fans to tune into a lot of.

694
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: Time between now and the draft. Although I think it's

695
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: thirty five days before the first round.

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Speaker 3: Begins Thursday, I believe it's April twenty fifth, Yes, twenty four,

697
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: twenty fifth.

698
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: So it's good math done here.

699
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: Well, that's not so much math, that's just looking ahead

700
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: at a calendar. But thank you.

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00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: One final thought from what Mani and JG had to

702
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: say on Wednesday, and I do think you got to

703
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: peek behind the scenes. When the question was asked about

704
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: DJ Humphries and Moni's tone changed and I do think

705
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: he was very genuine in saying quote it was brutal

706
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: and acknowledging how difficult it was to release DJ, who

707
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: would be on this roster if not for turning his

708
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: ACL late in the season. I fully believe that. I

709
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: just think based off of the injury, when is he

710
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: going to be available, if he's going to be available,

711
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: the cap hit that you have for a player who

712
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: might not even be on the football field, all of

713
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: that played against Humphreys being released. Though many did open

714
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: the door for Humphries to come back at some point

715
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: down the road, it's not like the door is closed,

716
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: and it really shouldn't because everyone loves DJ Humphreys the player,

717
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: but more so DJ Humphries the person.

718
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: It is really unfortunate the timing of the injury and

719
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: kind of forcing the Cardinals hands. I think it's an

720
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: interesting topic because there was already going to be so

721
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: much discussion around it of if now was going to

722
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: be the time to draft a left tackle when you're

723
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: looking at how deep this draft class is and the

724
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: capitol and the position that the Cardinals are in, or

725
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: if you want it, now's the time to move Paris Johnson,

726
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: Junior from the right to the left. I mean that

727
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: was a discussion when Paris was drafted a year ago.

728
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 3: Was he has a lot of experience on the left side.

729
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: Is that what the plan is to be DJ Humphrey's

730
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: replacement down the line. There's just so many options, and

731
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: it's I mean, we've talked about this. It's unfortunate on

732
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: a personal standpoint that this is the business side of

733
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: things coming out of Humphreys played well. Is he a

734
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Fame left tackle? No, No one's

735
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: saying that. But he has played well and he has

736
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: been consistent as the blind side protector on this offensive

737
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 3: line for many, many years. He has been a leader

738
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: in the locker room. He was great with the media,

739
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: and I don't just mean his incredible sound bites, which

740
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: there are plenty when things were difficult, whether that is

741
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: how the team was performing, off field, problems going on

742
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: around the team, or with the co which is as

743
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: a media as the media, you could count on DJ

744
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: to talk with you and to be honest with you.

745
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: So I can absolutely believe that it was a brutal

746
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: decision by MANI awesome Fort to have to release Hump

747
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: and move forward in whatever decision that's going to be

748
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 3: if that is with Jonah Williams or with Paris or

749
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 3: a draft picked. It'll be interesting what the future holds.

750
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: I don't depending on his rehab. I don't know that

751
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: DJ comes back next year because you're gonna have depth,

752
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna have players that are going to be more

753
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: experienced in terms of practice reps and being out here.

754
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: But maybe next offseason. I mean, who knows what will

755
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: come of that. What was interesting was the follow up

756
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: question of if it's a similar situation for defensive lineman

757
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: Jonathan Ledbetter, who also suffered a very late season ACL injury,

758
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: and Austin Ford said yes. That also played a role

759
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: in that, which tells me without straight up telling me

760
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: that it doesn't seem like the Cardinals are going to bring.

761
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: Back lead Better as a restricted free agent he needed

762
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: to be tender to contract. He was not, so now

763
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: he's an unrestricted free agent, he's available on the open market.

764
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: But again, it's whin do injuries happen, and if they're

765
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: late in the season, and that factors into when you

766
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: might be available the following season. So it's the business

767
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: of the sport. It's the ugly side of it when

768
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: you like a player, because how good of a person

769
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: they are, and you have to make those difficult to

770
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: run the word of money a brutal decision as far

771
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: as letting go hump and saying right now is not

772
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: the right time for Jonathan Ledbetter.

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00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but look, these are decisions that have to be made.

774
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: You have to be able to put the personal side

775
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 3: to the side, the personal side of things, and that's

776
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: what this front office is doing. And I think if

777
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: you're a Cardinals fan and you see that objectivity and

778
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: kind of having the clear eyes and the vision, then

779
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: that's what you would want out of a general manager.

780
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: Anything else stand out from the more than what twenty

781
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: five minute press conference on Wednesday from Mani and JG.

782
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: Outside of how the press conference began with a shout

783
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: out to you, Danny from the head.

784
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: Coach related birthday message that was very kind of him,

785
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: I don't think anything else stands out. I mean, it's

786
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: on our YouTube channel if you want to go check

787
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 3: it out.

788
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Twenty five plus minutes. Let's see, I'm gonna try to

789
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: looking at my log here almost twenty seven twenty seven

790
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: minutes fly bye. Yeah, Well, there's a lot lots happened

791
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: in the last week and a half.

792
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: That's true.

793
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Was still several weeks to go before maybe as many

794
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: eleven new players are added once the draft hits.

795
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, go check it out. Go listen

796
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: to head coach and GM talk at the podium.

797
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: Good to hear from the decision makers on Wednesday, and

798
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: always good to hear from our decision maker here on

799
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: Cardinals cover too. Danny Surrek whoa.

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00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: Clip that code? Have that live in infamy?

801
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

802
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: Okay, it was a little sarcastic, but that's fine.

803
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: Sarcasm for me.

804
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: Who are you doing? Who are you picking for?

805
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: I haven't even looked.

806
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 3: You don't even know what I'm gonna ask you go

807
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: ahead and ask from your march madness.

808
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 1: I haven't even looked.

809
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: Syracuse isn't playing. He is not playing? Is no Arizona

810
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: is a su is not.

811
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to do like a departments wide no money.

812
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 3: Let's make that clear.

813
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: College basketball. Who doesn't not bet?

814
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. Here's the thing is,

815
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about college basketball. And then I

816
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: get so intense about my bracket and I get upset

817
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: when I'm wrong, as if I have any true knowledge whatsoever.

818
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: And so then I get frustrated with myself because I care,

819
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: but I don't care enough about college basketball.

820
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: You start yelling at these young kids for.

821
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: Not No, I'm not like that. I'm not that kind

822
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: of Okay, but a Final Fours and Phoenix, that'll be fun.

823
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: First weekend of April. Yes, it'd be fun. Yeah, maybe

824
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: we shall all go.

825
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 3: If you're buying my ticket, I'll be there. Wow.

826
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's happening. My schedule I praying,

827
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: so I got some work to do. On that note,

828
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: we'll put a lit on this edition of Cardinals Cover two,

829
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals, before

830
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: Danny costs me any more money here on this Wednesday special.

831
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our executive producer Jim Mamahadra, our

832
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: associate producer Coddy Fincher. For Danny Serek, I'm Craig Real Lou.

833
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover

834
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Speaker 1: two