WEBVTT - S2 E2: A Wake Up Call

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<v Speaker 2>December twenty ninth, nineteen seventy five, six thirty three pm,

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<v Speaker 2>LaGuardia airport.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Longo had come to pick up his brother in law,

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<v Speaker 1>a routine errand the kind of thing you do without thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>When I arrived, I came through the store and I

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<v Speaker 3>came and take a look at the monitor to see

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<v Speaker 3>what time his flight was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>In the TWA terminal buzzed with post holiday chaos, Families clustered, baggage,

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<v Speaker 1>claim couples, reunited children tugged at weary parents ready to

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<v Speaker 1>go home.

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<v Speaker 3>I noticed I had a little time, so I came

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<v Speaker 3>over and I sat down an area over here which

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<v Speaker 3>no longer has the seats.

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<v Speaker 1>The seating area was less than one hundred yards away

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<v Speaker 1>from a row of metal lockers.

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<v Speaker 3>I was sitting there and I decided to have a cigarette,

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<v Speaker 3>so I got up and I walked down towards the

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<v Speaker 3>lock area, which is used to be down there, when

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<v Speaker 3>I noticed I had no matches, so I said that

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<v Speaker 3>would I'm not going to smoke. So I turned around

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<v Speaker 3>and I sat down, and that's when the bomb exploded.

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<v Speaker 1>The floor buckled and ceiling panel snapped, a blast of smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>and glass ripped through the terminal like a shockwave.

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<v Speaker 4>The glass killed eleven people and injured seventy five others.

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<v Speaker 1>Fluorescent lights flickered and vanished. Screams echoed off concrete.

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<v Speaker 3>When I awoke, I was on the ground. My leg

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<v Speaker 3>was bleeding. There was no windows left, nothing ceiling falling down.

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<v Speaker 3>I crawled out.

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<v Speaker 1>In a split second, what had been an ordinary Monday

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<v Speaker 1>night turned into complete devastation.

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<v Speaker 3>The scene was very chaotic, everybody running around, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of mass confusion and a lot of people in the

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<v Speaker 3>state of shock.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the baggage carousel once stood, there was only ruin,

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<v Speaker 1>twisted aluminum, blood slick tiles, luggage scattered like confetti. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time, it was the deadliest terrorist attack ever carried

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<v Speaker 1>out on US soil.

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<v Speaker 4>A retired police commander who worked on the case from

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning called the LaGuardia bombing the most frustrating case

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<v Speaker 4>of his career because, as he put it, there are

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<v Speaker 4>eleven open graves out there crying for an answer.

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<v Speaker 5>I got a call, get out to La Guardia Airport.

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<v Speaker 5>There's been a bombing.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a thirty two foot crater in front of

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<v Speaker 1>what was left of the building. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out, am I dead? Am I alive?

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<v Speaker 6>Where am I?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Anethega Nicolazzi.

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<v Speaker 7>That's why terrorism works.

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<v Speaker 8>It doesn't care who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>From Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts, this is law and

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<v Speaker 1>order criminal justice system. Fifty years ago, a bomb tour

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<v Speaker 1>through La Guardia Airport's baggage claim, impacting countless lives. The

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<v Speaker 1>deadly attack on December twenty ninth, nineteen seventy five also

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<v Speaker 1>exposed the need for change. In the aftermath, federal agents

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<v Speaker 1>and the NYPD chased answers through wreckage and silence, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to bring order to a crime scene designed for chaos.

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<v Speaker 8>My name is Neil Moran.

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<v Speaker 5>Back in nineteen seventy one, after graduating from college in May,

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<v Speaker 5>I joined the FBI that August in the Clerical Program

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<v Speaker 5>and assigned to various clerical duties throughout the office, and

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<v Speaker 5>at that point it was a fairly good pathway into

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<v Speaker 5>becoming an FBI agent.

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<v Speaker 1>For four years, Neil Moran worked behind the scenes. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a slow but steady route for him to become

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<v Speaker 1>an agent.

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<v Speaker 5>They started to have a lot of classes and my

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<v Speaker 5>name came up and I went to chronicle. I was

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<v Speaker 5>sworn in on May fifth, nineteen seventy five, and I

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<v Speaker 5>spent four months at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia,

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<v Speaker 5>going through training.

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<v Speaker 1>That August, he got his first assignment New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Sending a newly minted agent straight to the Big Apple

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<v Speaker 1>was a bold experiment by the Bureau.

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<v Speaker 5>They had never before sent what were referred to as

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<v Speaker 5>first Office agents back to the New York Field Division.

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<v Speaker 8>Basically, he really didn't know what to do with us.

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<v Speaker 5>What they devised was a program whereby they gave you

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<v Speaker 5>six months on the very prestigious criminal squads. Everybody wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to be on a criminal squad. Bank robberies, kidnappings, extortion,

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<v Speaker 5>truck hijackings, organized crime. Everybody wanted to work that stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody wanted to work at least as people in their twenties,

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<v Speaker 5>like myself kind of the slow moving things, following Russians

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<v Speaker 5>and people from communist countries around spy stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>The timing was no accident. The threats were changing and fast.

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<v Speaker 5>I was fortunate enough to get a signed to a

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<v Speaker 5>squad that, among other things, handled airplane hijackings, which were

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<v Speaker 5>a regular thing in the nineteen seventies, as were bombings.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of nineteen seventy five, Neil was a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six year old agent and still learning the ropes.

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<v Speaker 1>But on December twenty ninth, there was no more easing in.

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<v Speaker 5>It was dinner time and I was in my apartment

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<v Speaker 5>in the Bronx having dinner, and I got a call

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<v Speaker 5>from the office. Get out to LaGuardia Airport. There's been

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<v Speaker 5>a bombing. Members of the squad will meet you out there.

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't time for questions.

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<v Speaker 5>I recalled the switchboard saying there's been a bombing at

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<v Speaker 5>the TWA terminal. That's exactly where I responded to baggage

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<v Speaker 5>claim area.

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<v Speaker 1>Specifically, the blast had ripped through LaGuardia nearly ninety minutes earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>but when Neil arrived at Transworld Airlines Terminal known as TWA,

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<v Speaker 1>it still felt like it had just.

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<v Speaker 5>Happened when I got out there, New York City Fire Department,

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<v Speaker 5>New York City Police Department, cast of thousands, just a

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<v Speaker 5>chaotic scene, all kinds of layers of entry to try

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<v Speaker 5>and get into the inner sanctum there where the terminal

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<v Speaker 5>was a twa.

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<v Speaker 1>Marked entrances, were no more sirens, barricades and debris.

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<v Speaker 5>I just recalled dumping my car someplace and making my

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<v Speaker 5>way as close as I could to hook up with

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<v Speaker 5>the senior people on the squad.

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<v Speaker 1>What he found was a crime scene still in motion.

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<v Speaker 5>There's still a lot of moving parts here, There's bodies inside.

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<v Speaker 5>There was an extensive fire, smoke everywhere where, being very

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<v Speaker 5>restricted as to where we could actually go.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no clear vantage point or full picture, only

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<v Speaker 1>glimpses from the edge of the scene and guesses about

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<v Speaker 1>what was unfolding inside.

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<v Speaker 5>We would see ambulances pulling away, continuing, lights flashing. They

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<v Speaker 5>said that there were fatalities, that the injured were being

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<v Speaker 5>loaded into ambulances, the deceased were being loaded into the ambulances.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's important for the investigators to do their investigation,

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<v Speaker 5>but the first priorities to get the deceased and injured

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<v Speaker 5>out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside, NYPD officers and federal agents gathered near the perimeter. Inside,

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<v Speaker 1>firefighters were still leading the effort, cooling hotspots, searching for survivors,

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<v Speaker 1>and clearing a path through devastation.

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<v Speaker 8>I see a lot of debris being moved. It was

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<v Speaker 8>a mess. It was a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>What was left of the TWA baggage claim was unrecognizable.

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<v Speaker 1>And outside of the police barriers, another kind of chaos

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<v Speaker 1>was building.

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<v Speaker 5>There's just hundreds and hundreds of people. Cars are parked everywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Lights are illuminating the whole area. That trying to keep

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<v Speaker 5>the press out of there. They're trying to keep onlookers

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<v Speaker 5>out of there, and this is not an easy task

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<v Speaker 5>when you're trying to rope off such a big area.

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<v Speaker 1>With the barricades barely holding and responders packed shoulder to shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>The question wasn't just what happened, but who was in charge.

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<v Speaker 5>It's really waiting to see bosses from our job. Bosses

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<v Speaker 5>from the police department, bosses from the port authority, police

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<v Speaker 5>bosses from alcohol, tobacco on firearms, bosses everywhere, And no

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<v Speaker 5>secret that a lot of bosses from law enforcement don't

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<v Speaker 5>get along.

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<v Speaker 1>So and every one of them wants to get inside first,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly. While different commands jockeyed for control, the facts

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground were only just beginning to surface. No

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<v Speaker 1>one knew how many people were dead, No one knew

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<v Speaker 1>who did it. All they had was a war zone

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<v Speaker 1>at baggage Claim and a thousand unanswered questions. What little

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<v Speaker 1>information did make it out was catastrophic.

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<v Speaker 5>As a result of the metal which was later determined

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<v Speaker 5>to be a bomb inside a locker, the shrapnel flying

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<v Speaker 5>shrapnel had injured a lot of people. In addition to that,

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<v Speaker 5>there were multiple fatalities.

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<v Speaker 1>By dawn, LaGuardia airp Or it was still on lockdown,

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<v Speaker 1>the scent of smoke lingered, the baggage claim was in ruins,

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<v Speaker 1>the fire was out, but for agents like Neil, the

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<v Speaker 1>real work was just beginning.

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<v Speaker 8>Key thing with.

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<v Speaker 5>Any kind of a crime scene, obviously, is to try

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<v Speaker 5>and preserve the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 8>As cleanly as possible.

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<v Speaker 5>We already realized that with the fire and the number

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<v Speaker 5>of personnel trampling on one thing or another, that the

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<v Speaker 5>crime scene had been significantly compromised.

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<v Speaker 8>Everything is soaking wet.

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<v Speaker 5>Would have an uphill battle in trying to search for

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<v Speaker 5>things like wires, battery wires, timers, things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>In a bombing investigation, every inch of ground matters. The

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<v Speaker 1>goal is always the same, locate the point of origin,

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<v Speaker 1>recover blast components, and if possible, reconstruct the device. But

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<v Speaker 1>that process depends on one critical factor, preservation, and at

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<v Speaker 1>La Guardia that was already slipping away.

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<v Speaker 5>Any kind of a foreign substance. You want this crime

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<v Speaker 5>scene preserved in its most pristine condition as opposed to

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<v Speaker 5>having it doused with water. I mean, and plus it's

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<v Speaker 5>very cold, and I remember being there the next day

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<v Speaker 5>and a lot of the stuff was frozen from the

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<v Speaker 5>water and just a mess.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I have to say, the messiest set of.

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<v Speaker 5>Circumstances that I ever had to sift through debris for

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<v Speaker 5>an extensive period.

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<v Speaker 8>It made our job, obviously that much more difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>With the additional damage and conditions of worsening. The area

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<v Speaker 1>was fortified to protect whatever potential evidence still remained.

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<v Speaker 5>People were going to be standing there throughout the night

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<v Speaker 5>to try and preserve it is as much as possible

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<v Speaker 5>and wait for the next morning, which we all got

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<v Speaker 5>out there fairly early and began the task of trying

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<v Speaker 5>to sift through degree organizing morning.

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<v Speaker 1>The focus had shifted from search and rescue to evidence collection.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators from the NYPD, FBI, and port authority combed through

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<v Speaker 1>the debris looking for anything that could tell them how

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<v Speaker 1>this happened.

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<v Speaker 5>Ourselves in the police department set up like a staging area,

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<v Speaker 5>if you will, in the body of the baggage area.

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<v Speaker 8>We all had gloves on.

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<v Speaker 5>It was freezing cold, dressed in layers and hats and

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<v Speaker 5>bringing stuff up and then just meticulously sifting through things

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<v Speaker 5>to look for evidence. There's clothes, remnants of suitcases, debris,

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<v Speaker 5>shrapnel from the lockers, concrete from pillars inside. It was

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<v Speaker 5>fairly significant blast debris everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And then amid the wreckage something unmistakable the remnants of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five sticks of dynamite along with.

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<v Speaker 5>Copper wire but encased in plastic, common component used in

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<v Speaker 5>constructing a bomb with a timer.

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<v Speaker 1>And it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>A bomb went off with such force that it ripped

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<v Speaker 3>apart the ground level locker room and baggage area of

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<v Speaker 3>the main terminal. Eleven people lost their lives and seventy

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<v Speaker 3>five others were injured.

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<v Speaker 1>People were burned, lost limbs, some thrown across the terminal

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<v Speaker 1>by the sheer force of the blast. Others were left unrecognizable.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the natures of their wounds, their injuries from shrapnel, wongs.

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<v Speaker 7>Apparently the explosion actually impelled building material, metal, glass.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't a message, It was a massacre. Fifty years

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<v Speaker 1>is a long time fact, and witnesses age, memory shift,

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<v Speaker 1>and paper records disappear. Finding first hand accounts became a

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<v Speaker 1>race against time.

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<v Speaker 5>And then you're trying to get eyewitness accounts. And I

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<v Speaker 5>also played a role, as did dozens and dozens of

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<v Speaker 5>other agents in interviewing witnesses.

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<v Speaker 8>People were calling the office.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a flood of tips, names, and rumors.

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<v Speaker 5>We had a roster of twa employees and anybody who

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<v Speaker 5>was on duty at that point, or people that had

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<v Speaker 5>called in and said they were there or saw something

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<v Speaker 5>when they were there.

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<v Speaker 8>All those leads are run down.

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<v Speaker 1>In the days after the attack, investigators were chasing leads

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<v Speaker 1>in every direction for any definitive answers for this unprecedented violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Bomb fragments were recovered from the blast center, mangled yards

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<v Speaker 1>of a suitcase, pieces of a triggering mechanism, and chemical

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<v Speaker 1>residue from the explosive experts at a nearby army base

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<v Speaker 1>helped analyze it. It was clear this wasn't crude, It

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<v Speaker 1>was powerful and designed to kill, but the forensic evidence

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<v Speaker 1>stopped short of pointing to a suspect. There were no fingerprints,

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<v Speaker 1>no traceable serial numbers, just the signature of someone who

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<v Speaker 1>knew what they were doing. The bomb had been placed

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<v Speaker 1>inside a coin operated locker in the TWA baggage clean

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<v Speaker 1>The person who planted it understood the timing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>two days after Christmas, the busiest travel week of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>The bomb had been positioned for maximum impact. Both physical

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<v Speaker 1>and psychological agents then turned to the locker system itself,

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<v Speaker 1>but in nineteen seventy five, those lockers didn't require a

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<v Speaker 1>name or ID, just a coin, no way to trace

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<v Speaker 1>who had used it. There were no surveillance cameras to

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<v Speaker 1>turn to, at least none that captured the locker area,

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<v Speaker 1>no high tech for rents tools to lift microscopic DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>The trail, if there ever was one, was going cold fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoever planned it didn't publicly claim responsibility, as was sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the case with terrorist attacks.

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<v Speaker 5>There were some theories. There was no clear cut group

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<v Speaker 5>that emerged that may have been responsible. The Croatians were

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<v Speaker 5>also a very active group back then, committing a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of bombings. They were of interest.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is FBI historian John Fox.

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<v Speaker 9>There have been a couple of major accusations, some suspected

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<v Speaker 9>fal and others suspected Croatian nationalists. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of back and forth in Yugoslavia at the time, and

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<v Speaker 9>there was a group of Croatian separatists who were engaged

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<v Speaker 9>in terrorist type activities.

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<v Speaker 1>Croatian separatists were one possibility, but terrorism expert Michael Jensen

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<v Speaker 1>recalls they were just one piece of a much larger puzzle.

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<v Speaker 10>This really was the era of mass bombing campaigns in

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<v Speaker 10>the United States, and the FBI had a very very

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<v Speaker 10>long list of usual suspects to go through to try

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<v Speaker 10>to figure out who did this, including the FALN, the

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<v Speaker 10>Jewish Defense League, the Palestine Liberation Organization, you name it.

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<v Speaker 10>There was any number of groups that could have been

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<v Speaker 10>responsible for this attack.

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<v Speaker 1>And for many of them, the logic behind targeting the

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<v Speaker 1>US followed a familiar pattern.

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<v Speaker 10>That's a fairly common story in the history of terrorism

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<v Speaker 10>is that ethno nationalists organizations that are seeking independence will

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<v Speaker 10>launch attacks not only in their own countries, where they're

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<v Speaker 10>trying to separate from, but also in the countries that

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<v Speaker 10>they feel are supporting the authoritarian rulers that are denying

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<v Speaker 10>them their independence and their freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>If this was political, like so many bombings of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>one would expect some group, some one to be taking credit.

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<v Speaker 1>But without a name, without a message, there was nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to hold onto. For weeks, investigators had little more than

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<v Speaker 1>debris and speculation. No group stepped forward, and no hard

0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:23.360
<v Speaker 1>evidence surfaced. Back in New York City's FBI Field office,

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<v Speaker 1>leads were still being chased and coming up cold.

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<v Speaker 5>It's chaotic in the office. Bosses tearing his hair out.

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<v Speaker 5>People are assigning leads. What do you have going on?

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<v Speaker 5>I need you to run out to Queen's. I need

0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 5>you to run up to the Bronx. I need you

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<v Speaker 5>to run to Manhattan. I need you to run to

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<v Speaker 5>Jersey to interview this twa employee.

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<v Speaker 8>So we're just plugging holes.

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<v Speaker 1>Witnesses were interviewed. A few thought they saw someone leave

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<v Speaker 1>a suitcase unattended. Others said it was a man moving quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>but the descriptions were vague and inconsistent. No composite sketch, ever,

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<v Speaker 1>led to a break and then came the silence. Days

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<v Speaker 1>turned to weeks and then months. No manifestos, no phone calls.

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<v Speaker 1>The silence became its own kind of clue and its

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<v Speaker 1>own dead end. But then something unexpected happened.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a call into CBS News Radio eight eighty

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<v Speaker 5>and there was a claim of responsibility and my boss,

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<v Speaker 5>he wanted me to go up to fifty seventh Street.

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<v Speaker 8>They had a tape.

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<v Speaker 5>They said that they would be happy to provide the

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<v Speaker 5>FBI with the tape with no subpoena, So they were

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<v Speaker 5>going to make a copy and turn it over to me.

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<v Speaker 5>So my boss said, get up there and get that tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Would this be it? They pressed play on the recorder,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of.

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<v Speaker 8>Like a muffled voice, and you heard words.

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<v Speaker 5>To the effect that we weren't home or a bombing

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<v Speaker 5>at the KWA and terminal. They were claiming to be

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<v Speaker 5>an offshoot of the Palestine Liberation Organization the PLO, which

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<v Speaker 5>was very active at the time and in the news

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<v Speaker 5>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>For a moment, it seemed like a break, a name,

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<v Speaker 1>and a possible direction, but a strong disclaimer from the

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<v Speaker 1>PLO soon followed.

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<v Speaker 7>The allegation that the PLO was connected to this crime

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<v Speaker 7>did not reach until about four hours after the explosion,

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<v Speaker 7>which means that somebody was there watching and then planning

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<v Speaker 7>and came out with this allegation. So, whoever or whatever

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<v Speaker 7>group was responsible, you categorically denied that has any connection

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<v Speaker 7>with the PLO. We not only categorically deny, but we

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<v Speaker 7>condemned the act.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all leads before it, this one collapsed almost as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as it surfaced. But this was the seventies. There

0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:59.280
<v Speaker 1>were no digital trails, no advanced forensics, and no proven

0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 1>algorithm to connect the.

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<v Speaker 5>Dots, no voice recognition back in nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>And tracing the tape back to a verifiable source was

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<v Speaker 1>just one more task in an already frantic rotation.

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<v Speaker 5>The more time that goes by from December twenty ninth,

0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.679
<v Speaker 5>the more the investigation trail gets stale. Other than that

0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.840
<v Speaker 5>claim of responsibility, there was no clear cut group that

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<v Speaker 5>emerged that may have been responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>And without hard evidence, investigators were left chasing theories. One

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<v Speaker 1>that had come up earlier began to gain more traction.

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<v Speaker 10>Some believe that this attack was committed by a Croatian

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<v Speaker 10>nationalists because the US was supporting Yugoslavia and was denying

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<v Speaker 10>them that are access to their freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>It was still just a theory, but a name started surfacing,

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<v Speaker 1>whispered in FBI field offices, scribbled in margins of case files,

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<v Speaker 1>the name that made their Croatian angle suddenly feel more plausible.

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<v Speaker 1>Zvonko Busich. On September tenth, nineteen seventy six, twa flight

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<v Speaker 1>three point fifty five out of LaGuardia bound for Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>lifted off from the very same airport a bomb had

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<v Speaker 1>struck just nine months earlier. On board were more than

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<v Speaker 1>eighty passengers, business travelers, families, civilians headed into the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>What none of them knew was that among them sat

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<v Speaker 1>a man with a radical plan, a suitcase, and a

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<v Speaker 1>deadly message. Busich was a Croatian nationalist. At thirty years old,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd come to the United States in the nineteen seventies

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.359
<v Speaker 1>with a mission to fight for an independent Croatia free

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<v Speaker 1>from Yugoslav rule. And that morning, Busich, along with his

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<v Speaker 1>American born wife Julienne, and three co conspirators, stood up

0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:04.160
<v Speaker 1>midhas flight and hijacked the plane. He claimed they had

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<v Speaker 1>a bomb on board, and more chillingly, he warned that

0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a second device had already been planted in the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of New York City at Grand Central Terminal. Their demand

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<v Speaker 1>published a political manifesto in major American newspapers outlining Croatia's

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<v Speaker 1>suffering under the Yugoslav regime. NYPD bomb Squad officers raced

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<v Speaker 1>to Grand Central to investigate the claim. They found the device.

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<v Speaker 1>It was real and it was lethal. When the bomb

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<v Speaker 1>was moved to a firing range in the Bronx to

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<v Speaker 1>be diffused, it detonated.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just remember going to bed that night and

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<v Speaker 5>waking up the next morning and heard that a police

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<v Speaker 5>officer was killed, and it happened to be Brian Murray.

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<v Speaker 1>Neil couldn't believe it. He just met Brian a few

0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.160
<v Speaker 1>months earlier. Brian Murray was only twenty seven years old

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<v Speaker 1>when he died. A member of the New York City

0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Police Department's Elite Bomb Squad unit, he was killed as

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 1>he worked to deactivate the bomb. He left behind a

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:13.440
<v Speaker 1>wife and two children, two and four years old. Another

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<v Speaker 1>officer was also seriously wounded. Back on the plane, Busage

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and his team diverted the aircraft to Paris, ultimately releasing

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>passengers and stages. When they finally surrendered, it was on

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<v Speaker 1>French soil.

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<v Speaker 10>There were strong efforts to try to connect him to

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<v Speaker 10>the LaGuardia pot after his arrest. In these other two cases.

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<v Speaker 1>The similarities were clear, the use of a locker in

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 1>a busy transit hub. Here was someone with the motive,

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:51.439
<v Speaker 1>the ideology, and the operational know how. So investigators started

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>to look closer, but the evidence they'd need for an

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<v Speaker 1>arrest never materialized.

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<v Speaker 10>He always denied having any knowledge or the involvement in

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:05.439
<v Speaker 10>the LaGuardia bomb plot, and federal authorities were never able

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:07.200
<v Speaker 10>to prove a connection.

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<v Speaker 1>And then came an even stranger theory.

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<v Speaker 10>There have been some arguments that in fact, it wasn't

0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 10>Croatian nationalists at all. It might have actually been Yugoslavian

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:20.640
<v Speaker 10>authorities that orchestrated that attack.

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<v Speaker 1>In that version, the bombing wasn't the work of separatists.

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<v Speaker 10>There are some that believe that Yugoslavia was ultimately behind

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 10>this attack, that it was a false flag operation meant

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<v Speaker 10>to generate a lot of hostility and anger towards Croatian nationalists.

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:42.439
<v Speaker 1>Meaning it would have been staged by Yugoslav intelligence in

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 1>an effort to discredit the very movement usage was fighting for.

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<v Speaker 10>So in terms of his actual involvement. That remains a

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<v Speaker 10>mystery to this day.

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>And just like that, the trail split and eventually turned

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to dust, from one a nationalist willing to hijack a

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:07.400
<v Speaker 1>plane for his cause, to the other an unsolved bombing

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that still has no claim perpetrator, no indictment, and no closure.

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>There are no documentaries, no public memorial for the eleven

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:23.479
<v Speaker 1>people who never got to finish their trip home. And

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:26.240
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you from having worked on many unsolved

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:30.360
<v Speaker 1>cases over the years, that for the families, the investigators,

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just the violence that lingered, it was the

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>silence that followed it. Here's social psychologist Ari Kruglansky explaining

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 1>what those open cases leave behind.

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<v Speaker 11>People call it in psychology lack of cognitive closure. You

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<v Speaker 11>have lack of closure, or you have an uncertainty something

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 11>is unresolved. It's a very very difficult experience to have

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<v Speaker 11>this lack of closure, to have this idea that you

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:02.239
<v Speaker 11>were diminished. Random event has happened to you, and it

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 11>can happen again, and there is nothing you can do

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:05.359
<v Speaker 11>about it.

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Some wounds begin to heal with time. This one can't

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>until there are answers.

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 11>These are people that suffer a lot, and presumably they

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 11>would be also more vulnerable to all kinds of narratives

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 11>that tell them what to do to alleviate their suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>The Leguardia bombing didn't just leave behind wreckage and grief.

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 1>It exposed a response that wasn't as unified as it

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:47.880
<v Speaker 1>could have been. Each agency had a piece of the story,

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 1>but no one could see the full picture. Terrorsts were evolving,

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>they were more coordinated and more lethal. Law enforcement needed

0:27:56.840 --> 0:28:01.919
<v Speaker 1>to adapt and respond accordingly. Bureau had resources, but in

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the absence of federal statues specific to this kind of attack,

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the local authorities, the NYPD often took the lead. Here's

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>FBI historian John Fox again.

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<v Speaker 9>The New York Police Department actually led to task force

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 9>investigating that bombing at the time because it was largely

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 9>a local matter. Federal law would eventually expand, and of course,

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 9>bombings of planes and things like that would fall to

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 9>the FBI, but it took some time for that change

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 9>to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>The Laguardian investigation exposed the limits of working together without

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>a clear framework, especially across overlapping jurisdictions that began to change, interestingly,

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 1>with a different kind of crime.

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<v Speaker 9>On a somewhat separate but interrelated matter, there were also

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of bank robberies going on, and in nineteen

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<v Speaker 9>seventy nine, the FBI and the New York Police Department

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 9>agreed to work even more closely together to try and

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<v Speaker 9>solve especially serial bank robberies, because some of these even

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 9>were being traced to some of these radical groups. You know,

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 9>they would rob banks to fund their other activities, And

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<v Speaker 9>in nineteen seventy nine we created a bank Robbery task Force.

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<v Speaker 1>That task force became a testing ground and within a

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>year it led to something even bigger.

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<v Speaker 9>It proved so successful that the next year, in April

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<v Speaker 9>of nineteen eighty, we decided to formalize a memorandum of

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<v Speaker 9>understanding between the FBI and the NYPD about investigating terrorism

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<v Speaker 9>cases together, creating what becomes our first Joint Terrorism Task Force.

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<v Speaker 1>At its core, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, or the

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<v Speaker 1>JTTF as it's known, was built on a simple yet

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<v Speaker 1>powerful premise combine the bureau's resources and reach with NYPD's

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<v Speaker 1>street level experience and knowledge.

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<v Speaker 9>We the FBI agreed to provide space, it and certain

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<v Speaker 9>things nypds supplied people and their own expertise. We worked

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<v Speaker 9>by co locating NYPD detectives with FBI agents, and these

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<v Speaker 9>detectives were provided access to FBI intelligence, and it became

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<v Speaker 9>very successful because we could truly pool together our expertise

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<v Speaker 9>and access.

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<v Speaker 1>That access made all the difference. For the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>federal intelligence and local law enforcement operated not just in parallel,

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<v Speaker 1>but worked together in sync.

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<v Speaker 9>And we worked out how we would handle the information,

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<v Speaker 9>how we would handle do you prosecute this in a

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<v Speaker 9>state or local level, do you prosecute this at a

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<v Speaker 9>federal level? How do we deal with sharp inform and information?

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<v Speaker 9>Because protecting their identities of your sources of information is

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<v Speaker 9>incredibly important. The Joint Terrorism Task Force Agreement enabled us

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<v Speaker 9>to do this so successfully that it became the model

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<v Speaker 9>for creating these kinds of organizations and other jurisdictions as well.

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<v Speaker 1>For agents like Neil, who had worked side by side

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<v Speaker 1>with the NYPD in the Mayhem of LaGuardia, the JTTF

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just a good idea, It was long overdue.

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<v Speaker 8>It was huge. I worked on a task force with

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<v Speaker 8>the police Department.

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<v Speaker 5>To me, it was the best thing that happened to

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<v Speaker 5>the FBI to have the new York City Police Department

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<v Speaker 5>and other agencies eventually come over and be housed in

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<v Speaker 5>FBI space. It's a group effort, and the FBI has

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<v Speaker 5>good sources. The police department has good sources. Two heads

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<v Speaker 5>of better than one. Police department has a different way

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<v Speaker 5>of doing things. The FDI's got a different way of

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<v Speaker 5>doing things. When you're out there, it's really a breath

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<v Speaker 5>of fresh air to work with people from other agencies.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of frustration came a new kind of force, unified, relentless,

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<v Speaker 1>and built to fight a new kind of war, and

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<v Speaker 1>American law enforcement assembled a new kind of machine to

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<v Speaker 1>fight it, the Joint Terrorism Task Force. But just as

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<v Speaker 1>that machine was finding its rhythm.

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<v Speaker 10>New movements were really starting to emerge in the United States.

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<v Speaker 10>One was the modern white power movement.

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<v Speaker 9>The FBI is now saying there was a nationwide white

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<v Speaker 9>supremacist terror group called the Order, using spectacular robberies to

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<v Speaker 9>bankroll a campaign of hate and assassination.

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<v Speaker 1>The next wave wasn't about independence, it was about dehumanization

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<v Speaker 1>and domination, and the face of domestic terrorism was about

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<v Speaker 1>to change again. Not New York, but in backwards armories,

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<v Speaker 1>gun shows and extremist newsletters.

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<v Speaker 12>And police in Denver believe the June murder of a

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<v Speaker 12>popular radio personality there may have been a racially motivated assassination.

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<v Speaker 12>Talk show host Alan Berg was shot twelve times while

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<v Speaker 12>he was standing in the driveway of his home six

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<v Speaker 12>months ago. Berg, who was Jewish, was an outspoken critic

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<v Speaker 12>of racism and anti Semitism, calling himself the man you

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<v Speaker 12>love to hate to receive numerous death threats on his

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<v Speaker 12>talk show.

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<v Speaker 2>Next Time on Law and Order, Criminal Justice System.

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<v Speaker 10>White power, white supremacist organizations. These were much more violent

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<v Speaker 10>organizations than their left wing predecessors.

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<v Speaker 6>Four of them get together, they hit a cash career

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<v Speaker 6>from a Continental armored truck and on this one they

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<v Speaker 6>get about forty thousand dollars. They've just robbed an armored truck.

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<v Speaker 3>David Lane was a klansman, a supremacist, so Burg takes

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<v Speaker 3>him on. He doesn't intellectualize the guy. He just ripsel

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<v Speaker 3>and I believe that was the night that they decide

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to kill him.

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