1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Here we go, the official show on the Fish Stripes 2 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: podcast channel. I'm Eli Susman, the managing editor of Fish Stripes, 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: where we cover the Miami Marlins every single day in 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: our own way. We live for days like this, recording 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: this on Wednesday evening, where it wasn't the trade deadline itself, 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: but we're getting close and already one of those huge 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: dominoes fell with the trade of Starling Martt to the 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: Oakland A's in exchange for left hander Hayesius Lozardo, formerly 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: one of the very best pitching prospects in all of baseball. 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: This show is presented by symbol the stock Market for 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: sports and deals like this. It's the perfect reminder of 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: how every baseball move is truly interconnected and way more 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: closely than you think. It's a beautiful thing. One of 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: the two trades that happened today was that Marte deal, 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: as well as Jimmy Garcia going to the Astros. If 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: you rewind all the way back to the start of 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: this ownership tenure of Derek Jeter, a CEO of Bruce 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Sherman as chairman. They took over right after the twenty 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: seventeen season. What's the very first trade that they made 20 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: it in charge of the Marlins, it was with the Yankees. 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: It was before the Stanton trade a couple weeks before 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: that in November twenty seventeen, sending pitching prospect Michael King 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 1: in some international bonespool money to New York in exchange four. 24 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: Garrett Cooper and Caleb Smith both quad a sort of 25 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: players that were expendable to the Yankees. Fast forward to 26 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: Wednesday and the Starling Marte deal that Marlins were able 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 1: to get Marty in the first place, from Caleb Smith 28 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: as being kind of that centerpiece to the move last 29 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: trade deadline with Arizona. It's only two degrees of separation 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: between the very first deal and then one of the 31 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: most recent ones. The first one, and we've already seen 32 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: has had a huge impact on the organization and for 33 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: the most part in a positive way. The hope is 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: that this one will do the same moving forward for 35 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: the Marlins. And as they bring up Garrett Cooper right now, 36 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: he's going to be a big focus of our second 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: segment here. I know people really want to focus on 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: the here and now and looking forward to what's going 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: to happen on deadline day. We'll have coverage of that 40 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: on Fish Stripes on our social media accounts. On fish 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: Stripes Live, we'll have all the pertinent information, updates and 42 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: then of course reaction to what happens between now and 43 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: Friday at four pm. But I do feel that this 44 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: is a really fascinating time to dive into the status 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: of the Marlins first base DH position for the rest 46 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: of this season and moving forward with some unfortunate news today, 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: in mostly positive and exciting day for the Marlins, there 48 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: was that unfortunate news that Garrett Cooper has undergone or 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: he will be undergoing sea. He's an ending surgery for 50 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: a slight tear in his UCL in his non throwing arm, 51 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: with the hope that he could be ready for the 52 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: start of spring trending next year, if not hopefully by 53 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: opening day for sure. So we're going to go into 54 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: that later on. We'll start off, of course, with Marte 55 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: in an appreciation for Marte. I don't think it's been 56 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: lost on people how great he has been with the Marlins. 57 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: There were high expectations as someone who had previously been 58 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: just an extremely productive and well rounded player with Pittsburgh 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: and for his brief time in Arizona. The expectations were 60 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: pretty high when they acquired him. You'd have to say 61 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: that he has surpassed those expectations. He just had an 62 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: awesome tenure with the Marlins, like few that we've ever 63 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: seen in Marlin's history. That's kind of one of the 64 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to get to here right away that there 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: have been very few players, so you could count them 66 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: on one hand, really that have had a Marlin's tenure 67 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: that was like Martes overall all things considered. I mean, 68 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: for one, the brevity of it. He was acquired at 69 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: the trade deadline last year, and because that whole season 70 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: was shifted later than usual trade deadline last year August 71 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: thirty first, and he gets traded here officially on July 72 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: twenty eighth, less than one year with the Marlins organization, 73 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: and he's already gone. The final stats for him, he 74 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: played in ninety one regular season games as well as 75 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: that one postseason game before that unfortunate injury that sidelined 76 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: him for the rest of the postseason run. But he 77 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: was critical to getting them into the postseason in twenty 78 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: twenty in a year where they had really no good 79 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: options in center field. He was a massive upgrade over 80 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: who they had. He came through in the clutch from 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: the media first time that he joined the Marlins and 82 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: all the way through laid into the season, and his 83 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: overall performance was even better here in twenty twenty one 84 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: when healthy. Of course, he did miss time with that 85 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: rib fracture. Both both before and after that injury, he 86 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: was arguably the best player on the team. Ninety one 87 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: games in total those two seasons. He hit two eighty 88 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: seven a three seventy one on base percentage, a four 89 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: to forty one slugging and that is more than twenty 90 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: percent better than a league average if you're going by weight. 91 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: He had runs created plus, much better than average hitter. 92 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: And even better than that was his base running is 93 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: stealing twenty seven out of thirty bases, a ninety percent 94 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: stolen base success rate at an incredible volume. He did 95 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: it while I think the biggest surprise to me was 96 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: how well he played center field. You just look it up, 97 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: and it's unusual for any guys in their thirties to 98 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: still be playing center field, much less being a real 99 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: asset out there defensively, and that's exactly what he was, 100 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: especially here in twenty twenty one. So for all this 101 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: concern from some people, not a lot, but from some 102 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: people that you know, if you're giving him a future 103 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: contract beyond this year, that it'll be as a corner outfielder. 104 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: There's really nothing from what we saw in twenty twenty 105 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: one that feeds into that other than just looking at 106 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: comparable players. Like what we saw with our own eyes. 107 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: This year was really outstanding by defensive front saved by 108 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: outs above average, whatever metric you use, and just by 109 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: seeing the routes that he takes and the athleticism that 110 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: he has, the variety of plays that he makes with ease, 111 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: that was super impressive. You bundle it all together and 112 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: those two seasons, but again not two full seasons, it 113 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: adds up to only ninety one games, and he contributed 114 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: three and a half wins above replacement by Baseball Reference, 115 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: slightly more than that by Fangrafts. You extrapolate that over 116 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: like one hundred and sixty two games, and that's a superstar. 117 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: That is an MVP candidate almost. That's how terrific he 118 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: was in the time that he was available to the Marlins, 119 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: and they got him. As I said, for Caleb Smith, 120 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: when Smith's stock was way down, he had coming off 121 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: of his COVID positive test for Umberto Mahia, who was 122 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: kind of like a fringy back end starter but more 123 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: likely middle reliever type, and then a real lottery ticket 124 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: deeper in the farm system, Julio Freeos. They were able 125 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: to get Marte for the rest of this year, that 126 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: reasonable team option for this year, and they picked it up. 127 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: I mentioned his win's above replacement about three and a half, 128 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: and I really I find him on this this tier 129 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: of about five guys position players in Marlin's history who 130 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: at very short tenures either one season, one full calendar 131 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: year or less, and performed at that kind of level. 132 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: And once you get on top of that list, the 133 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: really best example of a one year guy, a hitter 134 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: for the Marlins that really carried the team, it would 135 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: have to be Pad Rodriguez in two thousand and three. 136 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: Going by Baseball Reference war four and a half win's 137 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: above replacement during that three season, and that's just the 138 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: regular season. He was terrific also in the postseason and 139 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: he was like they're all he was an iron man 140 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: during that postseason run as well. Right below him, moyses 141 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: Alou at three point five wins above replacement, he was 142 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: an RBI machine during that nineteen ninety seven season. So 143 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: you see what those guys maybe put them in their 144 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: own tier because they were involved on those World Series teams. 145 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: But I mean Marte statistically, he is right there with 146 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: Moyses Alu, and he did it at that up the 147 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: middle position, whereas Alu was mostly that corner guy, and 148 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: Marte the performance is right there, and he did it 149 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: in so much fewer games due to the shortened schedule 150 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: due to his injury. The two names right below him 151 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: in terms of wins above replacement as Marlin for these 152 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: short ten years. You get Jose Reyis in twenty twelve 153 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: and you got Carlos Delgado in two thousand and five. 154 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: That's kind of the company he keeps. When we think 155 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: of Marte's tenure with the Marlins, I think it should 156 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: be very much like we view those other guys, Pudge, 157 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: Moises Alu, Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado. And maybe you want 158 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: to take Rays out of that because he obviously wasn't 159 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: involved with any team that had any sort of contending 160 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: moment for it. I mean, things went south pretty early 161 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: in that twenty twelve season. I think it's really Marte, Delgado, 162 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: Alu and Pudge kind of in a tier of their own. 163 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: However you want to break that up. You know, I'm 164 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: struggling to exactly draw the line there. I think that 165 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: just Hammer's hon how unique this has been to you 166 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: haven't performed so well, and to do it at an 167 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: up the middle position at a time when the Marlins 168 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: just did not have any good alternatives at that position. 169 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: It was such a huge boost. And of course that's 170 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: what you have to be extremely satisfied with how the 171 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: front office handled it. That being said, in the immediate 172 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: aftermath of this deal, the popular opinion is that the 173 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: Marlins got excellent value for Marte at this point. So 174 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: at this point, you know, he has turned down those 175 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: contract extensions. The Marlins made multiple offers. We've had this 176 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: long conversation about how those offers were not good enough. 177 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: They did technically make offers, though, and they trade him 178 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: to an Oakland team that has the same sort of 179 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, spending anxiety that the Marlins have. So they 180 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: are acquiring him in Oakland knowing full well that he 181 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: is a rental. They are not going to be able 182 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: to extend him during the season, and they are highly 183 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: highly doubtful to be able to win any sort of 184 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: bidding war once he reaches free agency as the top 185 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: centerfielder on the market, perhaps a top outfielder on the 186 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: market overall. For two months just knowing him as rental 187 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: at a time war, They're not even guaranteed to make 188 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: the playoffs in Oakland. It might just only be for 189 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: two months, not necessarily three, including October. They gave up 190 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: Hayesius Lozardo, who is very recently removed from being in 191 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: elite pitching prospect really on that sea level that six 192 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: Do Sanchez was when six oh was acquired by the Marlins. 193 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: Hayesus is a little bit older. He's had more, He's 194 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: had similar sort of injury concerns throughout his career. He 195 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: actually has had a more significant injury i'd say, already 196 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: in his career to his shoulder than six To has 197 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: had at any other point. But the v low, especially 198 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: for a left handed pitcher, that be low is pretty great. 199 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: He's got a lot of potential with his changeup and 200 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: with his breaking ball when you dive into it. His 201 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: performance in the minor leagues at the lower levels was excellent. 202 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: He's having a pretty rough year here in twenty twenty one. 203 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: We're not going to go into sorrow right now, other 204 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: than to point out that the Marlins, by trading away 205 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: Marte so close to the end of his deal and 206 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: by taking responsibility for all the money at the end 207 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: of it, they were able to get this great return. 208 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of people applauding the Marlins 209 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: for eating that money, which was about four and a 210 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: half million dollars that he was still owed for the 211 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: rest of this year, in order to buy a better 212 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: prospect out of it Lizardo, not technically a prospect, but 213 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to buy a better younger 214 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: player than they would have otherwise, because they were able 215 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: to do that. Again, I just think the full context 216 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: here is important. That if you're giving the Marlins an 217 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: A and A plus for this trade, I just don't 218 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: think that's the important thing. Too great, I don't think 219 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: that's really what matters. What matters it's really the entire process. 220 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: So I won't go all the way back to the 221 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: King and the Cooper and the Caleb trade from the 222 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: first trade in twenty seventeen, But if you don't go 223 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: back to when the Marlins acquired Marte from there, you 224 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: know less than a year how that played out. It 225 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: was a great process to acquire him. His production was 226 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,479 Speaker 1: pretty great. He showed himself to be a pretty invaluable 227 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: member of the team, and he even showed an eagerness 228 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: to stay with the Marlins beyond his current deal that 229 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: they had this opportunity to extend him, if we are 230 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: going by the trustee reports of Craig miss Marlins insider 231 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: saying that they had contract extension negotiations during late June 232 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: and into mid July, eventually breaking up those conversations at 233 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: the All Star break when they were still too far 234 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: apart and couldn't find any common ground. So they had 235 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 1: this opportunity to extend him, and I think that's when 236 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: you'd be fully fully satisfied with what the Marlins pulled 237 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: off here, if they were able to get this production 238 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: and then you know, lock him up through the remainder 239 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: of his prime years at a time where by all measures, 240 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: he's performing as well right now as he has at 241 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: pretty much any other point of his career. Instead, they 242 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: have this temporary void in center field. There's optimism, there's 243 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: some buzz that they will find another guy to address 244 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: this position in the very near term, perhaps before the deadline. 245 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: But I don't think he get pat Marlins on the 246 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: back for stepping up and paying the rest of Martes's 247 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: deal to make this trade pull off. When they showed 248 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: that they did not have the financial wherewithal to extend 249 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: a player that had a lot of mutual interest in 250 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: being extended, they passed up on this opportunity. What they 251 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: did here is they salvaged the situation. This is one 252 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: of the only ways that they could have done this. 253 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: They've done almost the best possible job of salvaging the situation. 254 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: That's where you see people giving this an A or 255 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: an A plus for what they did here, because they 256 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: really this is an excellent way to salvage the situation 257 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: by bringing home a local player in jesusil Zardo, who 258 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: has immense upside, who is not far removed from producing 259 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: at the major league level, and who still has some 260 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: of those skills intact that make you believe that that 261 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: ceiling is still attainable. But again, that does not take 262 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: away from what the Marlins screwed up here. They did 263 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: not step up and make that offer to Marte and 264 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: potentially because they have an concerns about the profitability of 265 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: the franchise that they felt they couldn't commit what fifteen 266 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: million dollars a year for the next three or four 267 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: years to a great player. So that is still there, Like, 268 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: that's still a misstep. And even no matter how excited 269 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: we are about who potentially they could trade for as 270 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: a controllable center fielder, the odds are stacked against that 271 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: controllable centerfielder being as good as Martees. That's what I 272 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: really want to hammer home here is how high a 273 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: bar Martes set, how difficulty is to replace. Ethan Bodowski 274 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: on Fish Strips has an article about this trade with 275 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: some thoughts about that that I encourage you to read. 276 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: It'll be much harder to replace Marte than I think 277 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: anybody imagines they might not be able to replace Marte. 278 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: And so although I do applaud them for making this move, 279 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: and there are certainly some encouraging signs about how they're 280 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: able to land this particular deal and land from a 281 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: team that I don't think anybody had on the radars 282 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: and Marte contender, So a team that was pursuing Marte 283 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: in the Oakland A's yeah, credit for all of that 284 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: but when you look at this entire situation as a whole, 285 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: certainly this is not the ideal outcome to be starling 286 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: Marte lists at this stage going into we're now deep 287 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: into year four of this rebuild of this new era, 288 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: and not knowing at this point who is going to 289 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: be up the middle for you in center field in 290 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: year five. 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He's in 308 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: the news today, like the only bad piece of news 309 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: that we got is that he is out for the 310 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: entire season after that collision at first base. It resulted 311 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: in an elbow sprain severe enough that they have they've 312 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: opted to have it addressed. There was a couple other options. 313 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: He could have tried to do a more traditional rehab 314 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: route instead of undergoing surgery, but that was not guaranteed 315 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: to get him back during the season anyway. He is 316 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: recovery time estimated to be about five months, so we 317 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: might not know until the new year, until spring training 318 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: gets relatively close whether or not he'll actually be available 319 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: for the very start of it, which begs the question 320 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: about what this position looks like for the Marlins next year, 321 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: and that's both first base and DH. We are going 322 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: to be optimistic and assume that Major League Baseball and 323 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: the Players Association they come to their senses, they get 324 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: a DH, a universal DH as part of the new 325 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement, and the Marlins have I guess you 326 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: could say three guys for two spots. It's a little 327 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: bit more nuanced than that. They have Garrett Cooper, they 328 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: have Hasius Aguilar, and they've laid we're going to talk 329 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: about all of them. So with Cooper, his season is over. 330 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: He had a two eighty four three point eighty four 331 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: sixty five slash line awfully similarly similar to what he 332 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: had in twenty twenty when we were calling him the 333 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: best hitter on the Marlins. He was arguably the best 334 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: hitter on the Marlins this year, nine home runs in 335 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: less than half a season due to the time that 336 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: he also missed with a previous injury. A one thirty 337 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: six w RC plus Remember league average is one hundred 338 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: thirty six percent better than league average when you just 339 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: for the playing conditions, very similar to what he did 340 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. It's hard to argue that he is 341 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: a great hitter, that he is probably the most talented 342 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: hitter on the Marlins major league roster. I don't know 343 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: if you'd point to anybody in their minor league system 344 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: that has more like ability than he does, that's simply 345 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: hitting the ball. 346 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: Pay off pitch coming. 347 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: It's a deep set up. 348 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: Here, winner, Coop, you found a stroke, a big home 349 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: run in last night's ball game, tied it up tonight, 350 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: the walk off winner. 351 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: And that's not the end all beal to everything with Cooper. 352 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: What we saw this year is we saw some bad 353 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: outfield defense. He was forced to play a lot of 354 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: outfield this year because of the lack of DH because 355 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: of Hazus Aguilar kind of being that steady force at 356 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: first base, that he was out of position, and he 357 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: really struggled in right field, even though this this injury, 358 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: this ultimate elbow injury, actually happened when he was playing 359 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: first base, But I digress. And then as a base runner, 360 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: he's he's pretty slow. You might say he's the most 361 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: athletic guy of this group. I don't know, it's that's 362 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: not much of a distinction. That's not saying much. The 363 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: bar is very low, but for him, he is despite that, 364 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: he is extremely slow, and he's liability on the basis 365 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: so when he's not hitting it for extra bases, you 366 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: that's something that kind of limits his impact on the game. 367 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: He is earning in his first year of arbitration eligibility 368 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: one point eight million dollars due to this shortened season. 369 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: My rough estimate is that next year in arbitration he'll 370 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: certainly earn a raise, but not a huge one, maybe 371 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: something in the two and a half to three million 372 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: dollar range. It could get into the low threes. I 373 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: don't think it will quite double, though. It will be 374 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: a very manageable total, even for a guy that you're 375 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: not sure is a full time player. Next we go 376 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: to Aguilar. I'm recording this as the Marlins are finishing 377 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: up their game against the Orioles. I'm assuming this is 378 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: going to be his final total seventy five runs batted in, 379 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: which is the most in the National League. He's been 380 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: right up there among the National League leaders for most 381 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: of the year. And as I'm recording this, the game 382 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: has just ended a walk off walk for the Baltimore 383 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: Orioles as the Marlins split the series in Baltimore. And 384 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: so that's going to complete what the Marlins are looking 385 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: like heading into the trade deadline. They're going to be 386 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: forty four and fifty eight. Back to the show with 387 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: Aguilar ninety He's played in almost every single game this year, 388 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: he's been durable, and he's been so productive, especially on 389 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: the road. For whatever reason, he's been incredible on the road. 390 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: He's been all right at home, and he is a 391 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: little bit further along in his service time than Cooper is. 392 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: He's six months younger, but he has been in the 393 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: big leagues longer, and he's been more productive because he's 394 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: been more durable. He's earning over four million dollars this 395 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: year and next season due to if he keeps us up, 396 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: if he continues playing on a pretty regular basis down 397 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: the stretch, and he has these big counting stats, I 398 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: think he's gonna get up over eight million dollars for 399 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: him this upcoming year. He's gonna be, all things considered, 400 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: a fine value for a lot of teams. But I 401 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: don't need to remind you that the Marlins are very 402 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: stingy with this kind of stuff, and all indications. I 403 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't say all indications if I was the guest right now. 404 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: The sense is that Agile will be traded at the deadline, 405 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: that the Marlins aren't getting quite what they want in negotiations, 406 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: and just quoting Craig Mish, he reported on Wednesday morning, 407 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: has Segelar wants to stay and Miami has interest in 408 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: extending him through twenty twenty three, so that'd be a 409 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: two year contract extension. There predictably has been a lot 410 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: of interest in him, miss says, and another tough decision 411 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: coming there, so not a done deal that he's gonna 412 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: make it through the deadline. I'm frankly kind of shocked 413 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: that this we're even in this position where they've discussed 414 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: an extension and where a trade of him is very 415 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: unclear to happen. Because of that, Big rays that he 416 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: is due something again north of probably eight million dollars 417 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: due to the kind of numbers that he is putting 418 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: up this season for someone that is landlocked at first base. 419 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: You know, he's an emergency third baseman. We've seen that 420 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: in action at least once this year, if not twice, 421 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: of him sliding over to that other corner. Things get 422 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: really funky in the later endings of a certain game. 423 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: But for the most part, he's a first base only guy, 424 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: and he's not a particularly good defensive first baseman. I mean, 425 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: if you're being really generous, you could say he's approximately average, 426 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't really agree with that, just because of 427 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: his limited range and his glove work is kind of 428 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: hit or miss. He's he's serviceable out there, and I 429 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: think he's worth the money in the vacuum to a 430 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: lot of teams, and even for the Marlins under certain 431 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: circumstances because of that, and because the intangible stuff as well. 432 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: He is he is adored by fans and I imagined 433 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: by most of his teammates for pretty obvious reasons. He 434 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: is a fun guy that really appreciates the position that 435 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: he is in. I guess the idea of an extension 436 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: is that they would lock him in at a price 437 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: that is lower than the arbitration number. That must be 438 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: the plan that the Marlins recognize that they don't want 439 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: to be paying that number for him moving forward, and 440 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: the one to give him a ray over what he's 441 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: earning this year, which is four point thirty five million, 442 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: but probably not a dramatic one, and they'll one to 443 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: lock him in for the next two years at a 444 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: slightly higher rate, but one that doesn't super inconvenience them. Again, 445 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: the problem is that he is stuck at first base, 446 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: and for the most part, Laywan Diaz is stuck at 447 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: first base. He has played that position all throughout his 448 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: minor league career. He has reportedly done some workouts in 449 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: the corner outfield spots last year during summer camp that 450 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: didn't really stick. He didn't play that at all when 451 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: he was called up to the majors last year. And 452 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: as of this recording, he's still on their major league 453 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: roster right now because they were playing those games in 454 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: the American League Park against the Orioles with the DH. 455 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: But as soon as they head home this weekend, they 456 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: don't have that DH anymore, and I'll be curious to 457 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: see whether Leywan even sticks on the roster or whether 458 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: they send him down laymen. In fifty eight games this 459 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: year between Triple A and the Majors, he is homeward 460 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: seventeen times. He has almost as many home runs as 461 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 1: Aguilar in barely half as many games. It's not apples 462 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: to apples comparison, of course, the conditions between Triple A 463 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: and the Majors. The key with him is his defense. 464 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: For one. In fact, a critical play here on Wednesday's 465 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: loss is a double play that he almost turned, and 466 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: uncharacteristically Brian Anderson kind of misplayed that, But Leywan almost 467 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: turned a three to five double play that would have 468 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: preserved the lead in the eighth inning, and that went 469 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: awry through really no fault of Leywan's. Unfortunately, those are 470 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: the kind of plays that he makes that Aguilar certainly 471 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: doesn't even attempt. I think he's great defensively. I don't 472 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: think he could ask much more that he's gonna probably 473 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: win you at least one game every year with his 474 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: glove if he's playing that every single game. And I 475 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: mean the more important factor, of course, is the dollars 476 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: and cents his controllability because he spent most of this 477 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: year in the minor leagues, and he was spent most 478 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: of last year at summer camp. His club control is 479 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: still way down. He has not accrued yet one year 480 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: of major league service time, and he won't even if 481 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: he does stay up for the rest of this year, 482 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: which means he'll be controllable for six more years. Beyond 483 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, he'll be around forever. It's going to 484 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: be at least a couple more years until he's even 485 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: eligible for arbitration. So that alone, when you're talking about Aguilar. 486 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: Even if Aguila does an extension, someone that will make 487 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: somewhere north of five billion dollars with Cooper someone that 488 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: will probably be approaching three million, if not above that, 489 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: then you have Dias at like six hundred thousands. That's 490 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: that's something that you absolutely have to take into consideration. 491 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: And of course the fact that he is younger, that 492 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: he is only twenty four years old. Aguilar is thirty, 493 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: Cooper's thirty. So yeah, these three guys, first base is 494 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: the primary position for all of them. First base is 495 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: really the only position for two of them. It's contradictory 496 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: from what the Marlins have said at many times during 497 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: this rebuild about building an athletic in a versatile team. 498 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: That this spits in the face of that. None of 499 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: these guys are athletic or fast or really that versatile. 500 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: And I don't see any snaring where they co exist 501 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: on the roster next year. And I'm curious whether they 502 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: co exist in the organization through this trade deadline, just 503 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: because I mean, it's about time that Diaz gets tested 504 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: at the major league level. There have been whispers from 505 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: Marlin's executives that they feel Leywan is one of the 506 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: very best prospects in their organization. I'm someone that I 507 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: do think he has a strong causibility of being a 508 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: full time caliber first baseman. He's probably not going to 509 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: be the same type of heater, pure hit tool guy 510 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: that Aguilar is. The trajectory of his swing it does 511 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: bother me at times. It leads to a lot of 512 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: those home runs, but also a lot of kind of 513 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: innocuous flyouts as well. His launch angle gets too steep 514 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the times, and especially when you're playing 515 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: a lot of home games at Loan Depot Park, you're 516 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: not going to get rewarded for those. So is there 517 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: a way that he could co exist with either Agalar 518 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: or Cooper? Yeah, I mean, for one, the opposite handedness 519 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: that Laywan swings from the left side in the who 520 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: swing from the right side. So if there's any sort 521 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: of scenario where I guess this would be kind of 522 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: a worst case scenario where you don't feel that any 523 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: of them are everyday players, you could have some sort 524 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: of platoon situation, some sort of like rotation between them. Again, 525 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: this is all assuming there's even a DH next year. 526 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: I just it's not so much about it's a lot 527 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: about the money, but it's even more so just about 528 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: the roster spots being so precious that I just don't 529 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: see a way where you're gonna have three of your 530 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: twenty six active roster spots to first baseman next season 531 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. I'm just curious to hear what 532 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: do you guys think about how the Marlins should resolve this? Again, 533 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: we have Aguilar as really the most dependable of these 534 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: guys now in back to back seasons, he's been such 535 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: a great hitter, such a great clutch hitter, and for 536 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: everything he does off the field with Cooper, he probably 537 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: is like the biggest upside as a hitter alone. I mean, 538 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: we've seen it in the last two years, but he 539 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: just can't stay healthy. At this point, let me pull 540 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: up quickly this number on gar Cooper that the Marlins 541 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: what these last three years, these last four years he's 542 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: been the organization now for four years at Cooper, in 543 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: his four years in the Marlins organization, will have played 544 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: in about forty percent of the possible games due to 545 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: a variety of injuries, some of them really some fluky 546 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: ones in there for sure, but ultimately it's the cliche 547 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: that the best ability is availability, and he has just 548 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: not had that at all with him. So I expect 549 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: them to tender him a contract. The question is going 550 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: to come down to whether they keep Aguilar through this deadline. 551 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: I mean, they've been talking so highly about Leywin, and 552 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: we just know the way that this position ages that 553 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: despite how good Aguilar looks at age thirty, well now 554 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: thirty one, he just celebrated his birthday and Cooper looks 555 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: at age thirty, that these guys can fall off a 556 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: cliff really quick. And the Marlins can't afford knowing that 557 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: they already have enough offensive questions as they already have, 558 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: and after map of trading away Starling Marte, they need 559 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: to be very careful with who they invest in, with 560 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: who they give these roster spots to. We could see 561 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: a lot of clarity with this situation at the trade 562 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: deadline again, even open that possibility that Agilar could get 563 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: del he does have positive value and with Laywan kind 564 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: of being redundant to him, even with the DH coming along, 565 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: these next couple days will be very fascinating and assuming 566 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: that they do hold on to Agilar, how exactly they 567 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: split up that playing time between him and Laywin. Coming 568 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: down the stretch in what is ultimately going to be 569 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: a non contending heear that's one of the big storylines 570 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: to follow during these final sixty games. Of course, the 571 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: most pressing issue is the trade deadline involving Agilar evolving 572 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: all the Marlins relievers. Maybe there are some dark horse 573 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: candidates who get traded as well. Adam Duvall all that well, 574 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: have you covered on fift stripes. Thank you guys for listening. 575 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: I've been Elis Susman will have plenty more content coming 576 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: up for you. Small pod along on the same feed 577 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: Thursday morning. Friday morning. We'll have our live stream on 578 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: Friday afternoon. Perfect timing that it'll be right after the 579 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: trade deadline, but right before this much anticipated series against 580 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: Jean Carlos Stanton in the Yankees. Good decisions or bad 581 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: decisions or wait to see decisions. This is an interesting 582 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: organization for sure. As always, appreciate you listening and go 583 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: Fish