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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind listener mail.

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Speaker 2: My name is Robert Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And I am Joe McCormick, and hey, welcome back, Rob

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Speaker 3: and I. We were out for a week, but now

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Speaker 3: we've returned to resume the Halloween season on the show.

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Speaker 3: If you're new to Stuff to Blow your Mind, you're

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Speaker 3: not familiar with what we do. Every year, we spend

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Speaker 3: all of October covering spooky topics on Stuff to Blow

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Speaker 3: Your Mind, And accordingly, most of our listener mail today

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Speaker 3: maybe all of it will be in response to Halloween

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Speaker 3: topics we've already done on the show. And man, our

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Speaker 3: loyal mail bot Carney, really seems to be in the

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Speaker 3: Halloween spirit. I received word from our it tech here

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Speaker 3: that Carney was recently upgraded with a new chip from

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Speaker 3: the Stone Hinge Magic Stone, and now he is aggressively

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Speaker 3: asking us to try on these masks. He's got a

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Speaker 3: pumpkin mask for me, Rob. Is this a witch masket?

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Speaker 2: I think it is.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure what this is about, but he wants

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Speaker 3: us to put them on on Halloween Night.

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Speaker 2: All right, I can't do I can't imagine any issue

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Speaker 2: with that. Let's do it probably around midnight, I'm thinking, Oh, and.

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Speaker 3: There's supposed to be a special commercial on TV, so

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Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. But we got nine more days

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Speaker 3: before then, so there's plenty more Halloween stuff to do

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Speaker 3: before the big day. Rob By the way, so you

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Speaker 3: were out of town while you were out, anything you

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Speaker 3: want to share about your trip? Where'd you go?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean that's the thing about October. It's

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Speaker 2: also always a there's always a fall break week in there.

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Speaker 2: So the fam and I we went out to California,

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Speaker 2: visited Somemoi's California family out there, and while we were there,

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Speaker 2: we went to let's see, Kings Canyon National Park, Assemity

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Speaker 2: National Park, the Lake Tahoe regions. So yeah, California listeners,

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Speaker 2: you have some excellent natural environments out there, though, though

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Speaker 2: I do have to mention the Kings Canyon due to

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Speaker 2: some forest fire in the region, the Happy Fire, I

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Speaker 2: believe is what it's dubbed. We had a very mordoor

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Speaker 2: ask environment there. It was still still beautiful country, but

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Speaker 2: there was definitely a smoky, ashy haze that did make

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Speaker 2: for some excellent photographs. We had a photo of like

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Speaker 2: me and my son and it looks like a band photo.

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Speaker 2: It looked pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: The fires of industry burning around door thonk make the urchai.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not so good for the lungs, but good

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Speaker 2: for the optics.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, rob if you don't mind, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to kick things off with this first message in response

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Speaker 3: to our series of episodes on Trains of Terror.

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's jump into it.

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Speaker 3: So during the episodes, we asked listeners to send in

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Speaker 3: their local ghost train lore if you had any, and

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Speaker 3: this first message really sent me down some interesting trails.

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Speaker 3: So this is from and here's a good reminder, folks,

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Speaker 3: if you write into the show, we will usually just

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Speaker 3: identify you by your first name, but you can use

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Speaker 3: a pseudonym too if you want. This message is from

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Speaker 3: really cool wizard. All right, really cool wizard, says Robert

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Speaker 3: and Joe. All familiar cordialities in regards to the frequency

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Speaker 3: I listened to your broadcast and the rarity in which

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Speaker 3: I write in. But this week this was a temptation

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Speaker 3: because one of my local haunts has a ghost train

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Speaker 3: story of sorts. Down in San Antonio, Texas. There is

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Speaker 3: orphans that became trapped on a train track at midnight

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Speaker 3: and was decimated by a passing train sometime during the

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Speaker 3: Great Depression. This all happened allegedly in a location which

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Speaker 3: is now an abandoned industrial district. This is ideal, as

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Speaker 3: and the wilderness has crept into the desolate reminiscence of

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Speaker 3: a bygone era. The practice is to cover the back

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Speaker 3: of your car in baby powder and park on the tracks.

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Speaker 3: Parentheses not a good idea. The ghost children will push

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Speaker 3: your vehicle off of the tracks, and when you check

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Speaker 3: the back of your vehicle, you will witness their fingerprints

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Speaker 3: pressed into the powder. This is a brilliant haunt. It

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Speaker 3: This isn't a bloody marry or a beetlejuice scenario where

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Speaker 3: a falsity meant to scare you. With this urban legend,

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Speaker 3: if you follow the steps, everything will actually happen. Now,

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Speaker 3: I suspect as many do that your car rolls because

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Speaker 3: mentioned in your show, guys, and the fingerprints you are

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Speaker 3: witnessing are likely your own. Still, I appreciate that someone

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Speaker 3: visited the ghost tracks. Love the show. Really cool, Wizard,

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Speaker 3: Well Wizard, thank you for your email. I thought this

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Speaker 3: San Antonio from October nineteenth, twenty eighteen, reporting on work

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Speaker 3: This is the intersection where the haunting is said to occur,

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Speaker 3: and the work scheduled would allegedly put an end to

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Speaker 3: the ghost track phenomenon. So how exactly would that work?

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Speaker 3: How would upgrading the rail line banish the ghosts? Well,

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Speaker 3: the plan for the project included laying two miles of

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Speaker 3: to cars seeming to be pushed by invisible hands. Now,

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Speaker 3: in the email, a really cool wizard suspects that the

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Speaker 3: drainage purposes, and this does appear to be the likely explanation,

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Speaker 3: or at least close to the likely explanation. In this

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Speaker 3: appear to be before the upgrade slightly uphill in one direction,

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Speaker 3: but it's actually in reality slightly downhill in that direction.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to come back to this issue in

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Speaker 3: just a minute. But anyway, because of that, adding the

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Speaker 3: Our correspondent here seems to be on the right track. Again.

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Speaker 3: If you sprinkle baby powder on your car in any circumstance,

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Speaker 3: rid of the ghost track phenomenon, but this was kind

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Speaker 3: of an added benefit because, from his perspective, the urban

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Speaker 3: legend encouraged people to engage in unsafe behaviors at a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you don't want to go messing around some

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Speaker 3: But so there was a TV segment covering this story

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Speaker 3: You know, do you know about the ghost tracks? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: have you tried it? And so forth. But when people

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Speaker 3: seem to be quite upset about the idea that this

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Speaker 3: guess it's kind of perceived as like a crime against

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Speaker 3: illusory slopes because I was looking into this, and I

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Speaker 3: think this is actually a fairly interesting phenomenon. It's the

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Speaker 3: principle behind probably dozens of minor tourist tractions in the

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Speaker 3: often called mystery hill or gravity hills, or just mystery spots.

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Speaker 3: what appears to be anomalous gravitational phenomena, so you know,

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been one of these tourist attractions.

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Speaker 3: hasn't done that tie in, that's a crime. Right, You've

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Speaker 3: going to be the case with any of these places. Instead,

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Speaker 3: actually look like it is descending to the south. But

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Speaker 3: then you place a ball on the ground and it

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Speaker 3: will roll apparently uphill to the north. The ball isn't

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Speaker 3: actually rolling up hill. It's just that the visual cues

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Speaker 3: Science in the year two thousand and three by Paula Bresson,

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Speaker 3: Luigi Garla Shelly, and Monica Bericano called anti gravity hills

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Speaker 3: Thank you Jake that that email for me. It started

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Speaker 3: On the horn all night. All right, I'm gonna do this.

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Speaker 3: Next message from Dennis, Dennis says it's still on the

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Speaker 3: subject of horror trains. Hello, Rob, Joe and JJ. Your

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Speaker 3: a local celebrity of sorts. It's Lower Bay Station in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, maybe we'll have to come check that out

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Speaker 3: the one that takes place in like the Field Museum,

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, do you remember what part of the movie

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Speaker 2: Rob ooh there are a few different locations. There's some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, distributors, if you're listening, get overdrawn at the Memory

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Speaker 3: Bank on disc. Get it for us. I want a

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Speaker 3: pristine Blu Ray. I want to see Fingle in all

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Speaker 2: I mean, it has a lot of great ideas in it.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's wonderful to riff on, but it

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Speaker 3: Okay, the list does not stop there. Dennis goes on

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Speaker 3: M Yep, apparently it's in time Shifters. I think I've

433
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Speaker 3: seen this one, but I don't recall it. This is

434
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Speaker 3: from nineteen ninety nine. Dennis calls this a Casper Van

435
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Speaker 3: Deen classic, except the original email speed spelled his name

436
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Speaker 3: Casper van Diem. I guess brother of Karpe. It's in

437
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Speaker 3: The Recruit from two thousand and three. I don't know

438
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Speaker 3: that movie, the Sound from twenty seventeen, Extreme Measures from

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Speaker 3: ninety six, Bait from two thousand, Bless the Child from

440
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Speaker 3: two thousand, Bulletproof, Monk from two thousand and three. I

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Speaker 3: know less of these later movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know these either, but yeah, certainly there's

443
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Speaker 2: plenty of other cases too, where it's Toronto standing in

444
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Speaker 2: for New York.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Dennis's message continues, I've never actually seen the inside

446
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Speaker 3: of the station, except briefly through an open door to

447
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Speaker 3: the lower level, which piqued my interest at the time

448
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Speaker 3: because I didn't understand what I was looking at. I

449
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: have friends in the local film industry who've been in it,

450
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Speaker 3: and it is quite interesting to see, especially when it's

451
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Speaker 3: cosplaying New York or Chicago. Thought you might find this

452
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Speaker 3: one interesting and thank you doubly for the years of

453
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Speaker 3: great content you've seen my way. Dennis. Well, thank you, Dennis.

454
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 3: Great message. I knew nothing about this. I'm gonna have

455
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Speaker 3: to check out that blog post and see what I've seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you pulled up some of these images from this

457
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Speaker 2: phantom train station and they're they're very, very evocative. I

458
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Speaker 2: love these. I've never been to Toronto. I need to

459
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Speaker 2: rectify that at some point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've only ever had a layover at the airport there.

461
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Speaker 3: I've never visited the city, and I know it's supposed

462
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Speaker 3: to be a great city in a lot of ways.

463
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Speaker 3: So I would love to see this station if I could.

464
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Speaker 3: An abandoned subway station that is still kept up is

465
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Speaker 3: like that. That is such a delicious idea to me.

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Speaker 2: All right. This next one comes to us from Jim

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Speaker 2: in New Jersey. Jim Riot's Robert, Joe and JJ. You

468
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Speaker 2: only briefly mentioned the linear nature of trains. There's only

469
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Speaker 2: one major path through them. This aspect has been used

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Speaker 2: effectively in many train plots in movies and television. As

471
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Speaker 2: for horror movies with trains, I'll submit train to Poissan

472
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Speaker 2: In this South Korean movie from twenty sixteen, a divorced

473
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Speaker 2: father is taking his daughter from Soul to Bassan so

474
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Speaker 2: she can spend her birthday with her mother. The zombie

475
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Speaker 2: apocalypse occurs at the start of their journey, and an

476
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Speaker 2: infected person boards the train and quickly infects others. Most

477
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Speaker 2: of the movie involves the uninfected passengers avoiding being bitten

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Speaker 2: by the infected passengers, and due to the linear nature

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Speaker 2: of the train, there's at least one scene where the

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Speaker 2: uninfected have to battle through a car of the infected.

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Speaker 2: Jim in New Jersey, Oh, thanks, Jim.

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Speaker 3: This movie has been on my list for years. It's

483
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Speaker 3: one of those I've got a bunch of movies like

484
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Speaker 3: this that I've been meaning to watch for a long time.

485
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Speaker 3: I've always heard it's great, and I've never seen it yet.

486
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: Maybe this October is the time I'll finally watch it.

487
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Speaker 3: But yes, Jim, I think you're right about like the

488
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Speaker 3: linear nature of trains having some kind of thematic resonance

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Speaker 3: in these stories. It's definitely there in Snow Piercer the way,

490
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Speaker 3: like you know, the making your way through through the

491
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Speaker 3: train one car at a time, and each train is

492
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Speaker 3: kind of each car is its own miniature world. And

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Speaker 3: having to fight through them one at a time to

494
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Speaker 3: get to the front.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is definitely a post snow Piercer film.

496
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Speaker 2: I can't help but notice. But you know, it's again,

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Speaker 2: it's a great concept, like the train creates a linear

498
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Speaker 2: world for us, and in more than one way. You know,

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Speaker 2: linear space is one car after after another, and then

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Speaker 2: you're headed from point A to point B. It just

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it just works so well with linear storytelling, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. And when the story involves a kind of

503
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Speaker 3: adventure or journey or track of moving through the cars

504
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: gives you a very natural kind of structure. There's only

505
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Speaker 3: one way to go, and that can sometimes be fun

506
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Speaker 3: for stories, you know, having having the physical environment in

507
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Speaker 3: which the story takes place shape the direction of the

508
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Speaker 3: narrative can be It can be a fun riding exercise.

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Speaker 2: M all right, speaking of linear progress, what is the

510
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Speaker 2: next listener mail in our chain of listener mails?

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Speaker 3: All right? This next message comes from Anna, And at

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Speaker 3: the beginning of this message, Anna brings up something we

513
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: were talking about in the Trains episode where where a

514
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: ghost train is a kind of interesting thing because it

515
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: can be like a ghost in that it can be

516
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Speaker 3: a spectral entity itself that you know, kind of appears

517
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 3: and then vanishes, just like an individual embodied human ghost.

518
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Speaker 3: But then it can also be like a haunted location,

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Speaker 3: like a haunted house, because a train is something you

520
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: can go inside. There's an interior environment, so technically a

521
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: train could be haunted. And we talked about the sort

522
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Speaker 3: of the differences there. It seems to be more often

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Speaker 3: that ghost train stories are more like the train is

524
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Speaker 3: the ghost, rather than it's like a haunted house. But

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Speaker 3: it could in principle be the latter. Let's see. Anna

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00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: goes on to say, hello, Robert and Joe, I really

527
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Speaker 3: enjoyed your episodes on Trains of Terror. You were talking

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Speaker 3: about haunted trains versus haunted ships. I think ships are

529
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Speaker 3: different because people actually lived on ships, so that would

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Speaker 3: make them more like a haunted house. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's a good point. Yeah, that you can have the

532
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Speaker 3: idea of a haunted ship makes more sense because more

533
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Speaker 3: of life was taking place there, whereas treating a train

534
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Speaker 3: like a haunted house feels a little bit less intuitive

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Speaker 3: because people don't spend as much of their life on

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Speaker 3: the train, you know, they just kind of get on

537
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Speaker 3: and get off. But somebody might live on a ship

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Speaker 3: for months or something, or.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. There's nothing that happens on a

540
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Speaker 2: ship that doesn't happen on a train. Name one thing,

541
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Speaker 2: it's happened on a train, gotten a fish. Yes, it's

542
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: happened on a train. I guarantee you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, fair enough, let's see. And his message goes

544
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Speaker 3: on to say, also, I think one thing you did

545
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Speaker 3: not cover is that when you're on a train, you

546
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: can get a glimpse into the lives of other people.

547
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: Maybe you witness something terrible, like a murder, but there

548
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: is nothing you can really do about it. This would

549
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: partly fit into the unchangeable fate aspect of trains, But

550
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Speaker 3: I do think there's something slightly spooky about just getting

551
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: a glimpse into other people's lives. Well respectfully, and I

552
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: think we did get into this a little bit. This

553
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: is sort of what we were talking about with the

554
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: idea of the train stories having these themes of alienation,

555
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: like with the Sherlock Holmes monologue where he's looking out

556
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: the train the train window and imagining all of the

557
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: horrors and the sordid details and the miseries in the

558
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Speaker 3: places he sees as he goes by. I think this

559
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Speaker 3: is actually a common thing in a lot of train stories. Yeah,

560
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: this feeling of like that you can see other people,

561
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: but you're only passing by, and there's no way to

562
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: get out and interact. So there's this built in disconnect

563
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: from the rest of humanity which you witness out the windows. Yeah. Yeah,

564
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Speaker 3: bridging this email a little bit, and I also includes

565
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: a very nice poem on the theme of getting a

566
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: glimpse into other people's lives through the windows of a train,

567
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Speaker 3: which is very nice indeed. But then she goes on

568
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: to say the next thing I wanted to mention is

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Speaker 3: the musical Starlight Express. It's a musical about a train

570
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: that only exists in the imagination. It's very cheesy and

571
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Speaker 3: a lot of fun. When I was growing up, the

572
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: Starlight Express soundtrack was in high rotation in our house. Lastly,

573
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Speaker 3: I don't have an example of a ghost train, but

574
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Speaker 3: there it was an incident in our family that we

575
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Speaker 3: call the phantom ute. For context, a ute is similar

576
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 3: to a pickup truck. It is short for utility vehicle.

577
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: I think this is Australian slaying. I'm pretty sure about that. Okay,

578
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: and it says we were traveling down an unpaved country

579
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: road at night, so it was really dark. We were

580
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Speaker 3: the only ones on the road. We approached a crossroad

581
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: and a white ute just try through the crossroad. Because

582
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: of the dark. It seemed to come from nowhere and

583
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: then disappear, so it was kind of haunting. Anyway, I

584
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Speaker 3: hope you've enjoyed my stories. Keep up the good work.

585
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: In a Yeah, if you've ever had the experience of

586
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: coming across a moving car in the night, well you've

587
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: got your headlights headlights on, but the other car does

588
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: not have its headlights on. I find that. Ah, that

589
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 3: is a very surprising and memorable experience.

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Speaker 2: You know, this mention of Starlight Express. This is a

591
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Speaker 2: musical that I've only ever been familiar with the name of,

592
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: and it's kind of surprising because it's Andrew Lloyd Webber,

593
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: of course, a huge name in musicals, and growing up

594
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Speaker 2: I was a big fan like The Phantom of the

595
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: Opera and all, you know, horror musical with some really

596
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: catchy numbers. But I know virtually nothing about Starlight Express.

597
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: So I pulled it up your Palmer chatting, and I

598
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: was instantly instantly recognized one of the names and interet Yes,

599
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: sure enough. The original West End cast from nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: four featured in the lead as Rusty ray Shell. Ray

601
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: Shell played the character Shake in the Apple that we

602
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: talked about in Weird House Cinema. So this was the

603
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: character that it's kind of like the Devil's Number two.

604
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: He's I think he's supposed to be very serpentine and

605
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: at one point is in a speedo. But his very

606
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: flamboyant performance. Great, great performance in the Apple.

607
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Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, okay, So I didn't remember who you

608
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: were talking about at first, but now I've got him

609
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: pulled up. He was great in the Apple. I loved him.

610
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: I want to see all the movies he's in now.

611
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: And so he's in the he's in the movie version

612
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Speaker 3: of Starlight Express.

613
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, right, there's a movie version, I think.

614
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Speaker 3: So unless I'm wrong, Oh maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I

615
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: am wrong. Sorry for smashing your dreams. No, you're right,

616
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Speaker 3: it's just a musical. It's not a movie as far

617
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Speaker 3: as I can tell.

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00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: I was like, whey, is it not a movie? It

619
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Speaker 2: seems like Andrew Lai Webber, you'd make a movie yet.

620
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, I would love to see this. I

621
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: wish there were a movie. I'm sure I could go

622
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: listen to the soundtrack, but yeah, but i'll do.

623
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Speaker 2: I was glancing at the soundtrack and I'm like, I

624
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: don't recognize any of these songs either. So this one

625
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: was just completely off my radar. But again, I certainly

626
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: loved some of vanrew lke Webber's work in the past.

627
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Speaker 3: There are, wait, there are characters that I'm not understanding this.

628
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: It seems like characters are trains. They're not people on

629
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: a train. But there's like a character who is who

630
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: is the Trans Siberian Express engine and a character who

631
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: is I don't know, some other engine.

632
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Speaker 2: Maybe this is too high concept. That's why they never

633
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: made end into a movie.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, after this, I'm gonna go listen to

635
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: some of the soundtrack.

636
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: All right. This next one comes to us from Ian

637
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Speaker 2: Ian says, gentlemen, great podcasts, you guys are the best,

638
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. A short time after listening to

639
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: Trains of Teror episode one, I was working at my

640
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: desk while listening to ambient music, and I realized that

641
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: the dark ambient album I was listening to on Spotify

642
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: featured some top notch train of terror art. Look up

643
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: the album Echoes by artist Eternal Dystopia to see a

644
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: grim photorealistic depiction of a blackened locomotive of the damned

645
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 2: with a single glowing red light cutting through the foggy hellscape.

646
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: To me, this seemed a perfect example of the first

647
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: type of train, one that isn't inherently malevolent itself, but

648
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: that is certainly staffed by a crew of the dead

649
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: looking for victims to ferry through the seven layers of hell.

650
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: This is a very threatening looking train. It also looks

651
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: like I don't see any differentiation in this artwork from

652
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: the engine part of the train and the cars that follow.

653
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: It just looks like infinite engine going back.

654
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: You know, I should mention here that there is in

655
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: the Dungeons and Dragons world of raven Loft full of

656
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: domains of dread. One of the domains of dread is

657
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: the Morning Rail Sirie thirteen thirteen, where the domain itself

658
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: is a train. I don't know that there's been a

659
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: lot created officially around it. I mean, certainly fans and

660
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: creators in the Dungeons and Dragons world have worked on it,

661
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: but that one was one that caught my attention a

662
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: while back, and actually Dungeon mastered some at least a

663
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: few encounters on this train. As I sort of envisioned

664
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Speaker 2: it coming together.

665
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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about raven Loft is, so that's

666
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: like a different time or space setting where you'd have

667
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: some technology.

668
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: Well. No, the way it's come together, and these things

669
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: evolve over time, is that you have these dark domains

670
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: where these dark powers, unknowable entities, maybe gods, maybe something

671
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: beyond God's who knows, pluck particularly evil beings out of

672
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: other realms and kind of trap them in a pocket universe.

673
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: And in that pocket universe they have absolute power usually

674
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: but are also absolute prisoners of that realm. And so

675
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, inevitably you have players like popping in and

676
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: out of these realms and encountering characters like Strad the

677
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: Great Vampire of Dungeons and Dragons, and you know there'll

678
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: be one they've gotten to the point where they have them,

679
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: like one that is based on say Chinese mythology. There's

680
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: another of course that has mummies in it and so forth.

681
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: It's a really rich realm of dungeons and dragons in

682
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: my opinion, but it too does have a cursed ghost train. Okay,

683
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: anyway back to the email here. This caused me to

684
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: look through my library and I quickly found a brilliant

685
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: example of the second type of terror train, one that

686
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: most certainly is alive and malevolent. Check out the album

687
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: cover of Orgasmatron by motor Ahead. The cover features a locomotive,

688
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: the front of which has transmorgrified into the band's iconic

689
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: war pig mascot snaggletooth, belching smoke and fire while galloping

690
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: across the darkened countryside like one of Lemmy's Juggernaut baselines.

691
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: This train definitely means you harm and will a fifth

692
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 2: of Jack Daniels while doing it.

693
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's the mascot has got the toothy mouth open,

694
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: and I'm just thinking you're gonna get a lot of

695
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 3: bugs in there, dude.

696
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it has to consume bugs, you know, cows.

697
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: The cowcatcher just sort of feeds everything up into the mouth.

698
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: This one is new to me. I don't know this

699
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: particular Motorhead album.

700
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know it either.

701
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 2: Looks like the main track off of this is Death Forever,

702
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: which is again not one I know. Anyway, the email continues.

703
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: It didn't take long on Google to realize that there

704
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: is quite the rabbit hole of album cover train art

705
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: to fall down, including other solid examples of the darker

706
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: subject matter such as hell Bound Train by Savoy Brown,

707
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: The Coffin Train by Diamond Head, One Way Ticket to

708
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: Hell and Back by the Darkness, and Swerve Driver's Last

709
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: Train to Satansville. There are also many examples of the

710
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: train image being used as a critique of modernity or

711
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: as a shining example of the promise of that same modernity.

712
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: Fair warning, there is also a stunning amount of cheesy

713
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: track featuring trains. No offense Rod Stewart, but please knock

714
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 2: it off. Take care, gents, and keep up the good work.

715
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't get the Rod Stewart reference. What's the

716
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: Rod Stuart train?

717
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: You have to look of Rod Stewart train?

718
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: Now, apparently Rod Stewart is a model train enthusiast, like

719
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: he builds model trains. What's wrong with that?

720
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great love model trains. Yeah, I guess

721
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 2: he had the track Downtown Train, So maybe it's that album.

722
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I don't know anything about that, but I

723
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 3: can't vouch for the song, but I support anyone's model

724
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: train hobby. Go for it. Make those little cities, build

725
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 3: those tracks.

726
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I bet there's some spooky ones out there too.

727
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: You generally see Christmas e ones, but there's gotta be

728
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: some spooky model trains as well.

729
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a nice idea. You know what, I'd

730
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: even venture that. I'm certain we have at least one listener.

731
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: You know who you are listening. You have a model

732
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 3: train set that is spooky in nature. Send us a picture,

733
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: Send us your little spooky vista.

734
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: All right, what's next? Have we gotten to the caboose yet?

735
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: Or do we saw have a few train cars to

736
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: go here?

737
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: Joe, Oh, we got a few more. You know what,

738
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: I think today is going to turn out to be

739
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: all horror trains, because we're still not at the end

740
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: of even these. This one is from Ryan. Ryan says Hello,

741
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 3: Robin Joe. After the Train of Terror episodes, I had

742
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: to contribute my favorite fictional example the nineteen ninety four

743
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 3: Super Nintendo RPG Final Fantasy VIX, released as Final Fantasy

744
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: three outside of Japan. It features a sequence where some

745
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: of the characters unknowingly bored a ghost Train also translated

746
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: phantom train that ferries departed souls to their eternal rest.

747
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: The characters make their way from the caboose to the engine,

748
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: fighting ghosts and other undead enemies. You can also recruit

749
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: some ghosts to temporarily join your party. They are not

750
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: very strong, but they can possess enemies, which kills both

751
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: the enemy and the ghost. Midway through, you can eat

752
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: in the dining car. One character has misgivings about the

753
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: safety of the food, but it does heal the whole party.

754
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: Once you reach the engine, you fight a battle against

755
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 3: the train itself, all while your characters are shown running

756
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: away in front of it. Somehow, keeping pays WHOA that's intense.

757
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: Even more absurdly, one of your characters can use a

758
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: move called suplex, and if you use this on the train,

759
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: he will in fact grab it, leap up off of

760
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: the screen, and slam it down on its quote back.

761
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 3: The train can also be defeated by giving it an

762
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: item called a phoenix down. This item revived fallen characters,

763
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: which defeats the train since the train is undead. After

764
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: defeating the train, it allows the characters to disembark safely

765
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: at the same time, other souls board the train, including

766
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: the recently departed wife and son of one of your characters,

767
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: allowing them a brief final farewell as the train pulls away.

768
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: It's a touching ending to what is, in many ways

769
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: a rather silly segment of the game, and all the

770
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: more memorable for it. Thank you for the continued entertainment,

771
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: especially during October every year. Ryan, Well, thank you. Ryan.

772
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: You know, somehow I'm a big fan of some of

773
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 3: the Super Nintendo era RPGs. Some of them really were great.

774
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: I've gushed on the show before about how lovely I

775
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: think Crono Trigger is. But somehow I've never played the

776
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 3: I've never in full played the Super Nintendo Final Fantasy games.

777
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 3: I know they're supposed to be wonderful.

778
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never played any of the Final Fantasies. I mean,

779
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: over the years, I have friends and I've had friends

780
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: in the past who are super endto the them, and

781
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: at times I'll think maybe I should pick one up,

782
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: but then I don't know which one. They keep remastering

783
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: them and re releasing them, but I don't even know

784
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: which which one would be ideal for me, So I'm

785
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: open to suggestions. A short one, which my preference at

786
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: this point in my life. Yeah.

787
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: Oh man, Rob, have we talked about how we both

788
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: like enjoy video games when we have time for them,

789
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: but like increasingly just don't have space for open world games.

790
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I need. I need something that's really

791
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: on the tracks, you know, I won't like it.

792
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: Like a tight, good narrative with fun gameplay. That's what

793
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: I get to.

794
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, short, short game, decent amount of exploration, but a

795
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: definite end of beginning and an end.

796
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: All right.

797
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: This next one comes to us from SHANEA. Shana writes

798
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: it and says, hello, y'all ask for haunted trains in

799
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: horror media, how do you feel about a train possessed

800
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: by a demon? I think we feel pretty good about yeah,

801
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: she continues. In the anime Demon Slayer Kemetsu no Yaiba,

802
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: the movie Mug and Train twenty twenty are demons slaying

803
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: heroes are dispatched to investigate people disappearing on a certain

804
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: train in the countryside. They discover a demon has been

805
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: using the train as it's hunting ground. During the battle,

806
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 2: the demon is able to possess the train itself, turning

807
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: it into a fleshy Eldrick abomination with tentacles. I have

808
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: attached a few screenshots of the flesh train. I'm looking

809
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: at one right now. Yes, fleshy and terrifying. It's like

810
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: the train as intestinal track.

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00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: Yes. And there's one shot here where the train so

812
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: you've got all this like membrane or epithelium on the

813
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: outside of the train and then running over top. It

814
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: is like a buff guy with a pig's head. Yes, okay,

815
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: I would want him slaying demons for me.

816
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: And then there's more as You're rights Demons or Kamitsu

817
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: Nouyaiba is a very popular anime manga that takes place

818
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: during the Taisho Era between nineteen fifteen and nineteen twenty six.

819
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: The Taisho era was a time of rapid change in

820
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: Japan as Western culture and technology continue to spread into

821
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: the country. The anime sometimes deals directly with this cultural change,

822
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: and the point of a demon feeding on humans by

823
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: taking possession of a train seems quite on point. As

824
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: always loved the show Shame.

825
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder how this interacts with the Japanese ghost

826
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: train examples we talked about in the episode with the

827
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: It was the Tanuki trains, right Yeah, the Tanuki, the

828
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: wild Tanuki would morph into the shape of a train,

829
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: but then if you stopped believing in it, then it

830
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: would the train would stop appearing.

831
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like natural, this conflict occurring between

832
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: the natural world of the tanukis and the modern world

833
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: of the train.

834
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: All right, well, I think we're out of time for today.

835
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 3: It's a shame. We've got a lot more great messages

836
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 3: to get to. We'll have to save them for next time.

837
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: But Carney the mailbot is really trying to move us along.

838
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: He is insisting that we practice putting on our masks

839
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: right now and we won't mess it up on the

840
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: big night. So we're gonna have a little practice session

841
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 3: with Carney here, and we will see you again soon.

842
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: We will have more seasonal stuff for you on Thursday

843
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: of this week, and then also on Friday with our

844
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 3: Weird House Cinema episode.

845
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, we have more Halloween episodes to come

846
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: here before October thirty first. And oh and I'm also

847
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: supposed to pass along that we have a new Halloween

848
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Speaker 2: themed T shirt and our t shirt shop over at

849
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: Tea Public. You can find a link to the store

850
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: on the Good to Stuff to Blowrmind dot com and

851
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: you can find over. You have to search for it.

852
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: It's not very apparent, but there is somewhere in all

853
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: of that link to our shop. I think our instagram

854
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: STBUI and podcast, which you should follow if you're on Instagram.

855
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: I believe our link tree also goes to this shop,

856
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: so it's a little hidden, but we do have some

857
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: merch there, various designs that have accumulated over the years,

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Speaker 2: and they just added a new one that has like

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Speaker 2: an orange and black version of the logo and you

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Speaker 2: can try it on different short colors. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna work better with some than others, but we have

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Speaker 2: some Halloween options in there if you were so inclined.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 2: Just a reminder that Stuff to Blow Your Mind is

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Speaker 2: primarily a science and culture podcast with core episodes on

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Speaker 2: Tuesdays and Thursdays and on Fridays. We set aside most

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Speaker 2: serious concerns and just talk about a weird film on

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Speaker 2: Weird House Cinema, and yes, we did talk about a

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Speaker 2: train movie. Earlier this month we talked about Horror Express,

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Speaker 2: which was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, huge. Thanks as always to our excellent

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Speaker 3: audio producer JJ Posway. If you would like to get

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Speaker 3: any other, to suggest a topic for the future, or

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Speaker 3: just to say hello, you can email us at contact

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