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Speaker 1: Into the uptime for the touchdown, Hollywood Brown has been spectacular.

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Speaker 2: That defender is in multiple pieces. All that was nasty

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Speaker 2: Bring it on, Break it on, tuckdown, Save in colind

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Speaker 2: Slam to the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield, h skirting nobody.

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Speaker 2: There. We say there are two and only two types

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Speaker 2: of people here in mid November. There are those who

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Speaker 2: are listening to holiday music in their cars right now

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Speaker 2: and those who are not. I'm hoping, in the interest

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Speaker 2: of preserving the sanctity of the holiday season, that you

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Speaker 2: are indeed listening to this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Pacific Office Automation. But there was a

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Speaker 2: spirit of debate on Friday night and when we were

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Speaker 2: going to dinner between yours truly and my wife about

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Speaker 2: whether it was appropriate and fitting or not to listen

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Speaker 2: to holiday music this time of year, when we're still

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Speaker 2: a week or so removed from Thanksgiving. Danny Surak and

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Speaker 2: Darren Urban Way in place.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's my follow up question before I answer, what

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Speaker 3: does your wife think? What was her her reasoning?

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Speaker 2: Oh, she started listening to holiday music in.

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Speaker 3: October, So then I would say, she's right, that's good advice.

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Speaker 2: Let me write that down again. You're right. If I

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Speaker 2: haven't learned that already, you know, my.

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Speaker 4: Wife is watching the Christmas in July Hallmark movies. So

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Speaker 4: there's that. You know. It's funny you bring that up,

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Speaker 4: because two weeks ago, when we were in Cleveland, I

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Speaker 4: was in a group text with It's myself, Craig Greelou

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Speaker 4: and the Great day Burns, Here's on sports and all.

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Speaker 4: We were talking about what we were doing that weekend,

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Speaker 4: and out of the blue, Craig Greeleu, which two weekends

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Speaker 4: ago was what was that the first weekend in November?

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Speaker 2: It's Halloween.

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Speaker 4: Craig Griehlou sends us a picture of his Christmas tree

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Speaker 4: not done up yet, but it was up in his house.

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Speaker 4: And then this weekend Craig Greylou texts us the picture

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Speaker 4: of the completed Christmas tree. So he's I don't know

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Speaker 4: if he's listening to the holiday music, but he's already

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Speaker 4: got his Christmas tree.

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Speaker 3: You no, No, I don't have a problem with that

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Speaker 3: of decorating the house a little early in November. I

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Speaker 3: know a lot of people's you got to wait through Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 3: which I understand, and I understand maybe the full fledged

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Speaker 3: the holiday music or the movies or you know, going

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Speaker 3: to see lights and all that waiting to lot for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like, if if it brings you a

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Speaker 3: little more joy and you want to put that Christmas

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Speaker 3: tree up a little early, then I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Until there's snow on the ground, we're not doing it.

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Speaker 2: You tell I'm throwing the flag on Craig Grilu. That

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Speaker 2: makes it an even dozen from this past week. That's

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Speaker 2: how many penalty flags are. Were all right here we go,

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Speaker 2: by the way, not on Craig. You just mean as

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Speaker 2: adding the Cardinals total. Look, we're all we all try

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Speaker 2: and explain the game of football to Craig Grielou and

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Speaker 2: marketing concepts. And so what I said to agree was,

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Speaker 2: you know, if only, if only the NFL could take

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Speaker 2: that number one on the jersey of Kyler Murray and

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Speaker 2: just go ahead and replace it with a lightning bolt.

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Speaker 2: How cool would that be if every team can use

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Speaker 2: the number zero? What if every player could actually have

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Speaker 2: a lightning bolt? Every team could have one player with

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Speaker 3: The Chargers probably wouldn't be.

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Speaker 4: That feels a little arena bowl to me.

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Speaker 2: It could be you're write a copyright infringement the La Chargers.

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Speaker 2: That could be a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Further enough ahead, then.

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Speaker 2: We'll go back to the drawing board. Kelvy on that one.

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Speaker 2: So there were two types of players on the Cardinals sideline.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we just start this all over again, and I'll

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Speaker 2: start it like this. Two types of players on the

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Speaker 2: for a team. And as you saw, in the Sights

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Speaker 2: you watch the Sights and Sounds which took you inside

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Speaker 2: I told you he's something serious, and there was there

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Speaker 3: And that was after the scramble on third down? How

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Speaker 3: many yards did he did Kyler cover?

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Speaker 4: Like? Seventy sixty eight point nine? Danny? According to Nex,

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Speaker 3: That's what they plan. And DJ Humphreys talked about this

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Speaker 3: a week or two ago when Kyler was practicing. Which

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Speaker 3: at a throw that Kyler made. Yes, And DJ had

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Speaker 3: don't know what Kyler can do. Yeah, that that's on

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Speaker 2: What impressed you the most, Darren? Honestly, what impressed you

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Speaker 2: Kyler in the new scheme, Kyler, how did he look athletically, Kyler,

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Speaker 2: how did he look just comfort level? I mean, there's

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can't remember if we talked about it

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Speaker 4: I know I talked about it before, but ultimately, in

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Speaker 4: the end, it was it was how he basically looked

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Speaker 4: I you know, I didn't. When Tyron Matthew came back,

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Speaker 4: And the fact that, and this has been noted by

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Speaker 4: completely differently obviously, one where he's tearing acl and going down,

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Speaker 2: It was amazing down on the sideline. So he takes

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Speaker 2: the snap and then he disappears from view down on

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Speaker 4: He can't see very much over people. Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm called for always, even the slim chances where

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Speaker 2: here he comes, and it was it was quintessential Kyler,

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Speaker 2: just creating. Look, there's stuff you can scheme up, and

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Speaker 2: then there's stuff you just can't teach, and there's the

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Speaker 2: performance in the moment that's completely organic. And that's what

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Speaker 2: separates Kyler in so many ways. His day started. He

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Speaker 2: to go three hours before kickoff with Buddy Morris and

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Speaker 2: And at that point you realize everything and everyone who

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Speaker 2: to your point, you could take game film from that

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Speaker 2: And that to me was remarkable. I did not expect

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Speaker 4: I just want to say real quick, we're recording this

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Speaker 4: Still on Tuesdays, a lot of players still come in.

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Speaker 4: practice squad. Players are doing workouts. If you don't play

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Speaker 4: Buddy Morris doing that. They have like down part of

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Speaker 4: he's still going through that. But when people want to

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Speaker 4: don't recall Kyler coming in on off days very often

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Speaker 3: It's one thing to come back and look at the

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Speaker 3: and I think it's another to give him the praise

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Speaker 3: that the other parts of his game did not fall off.

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Speaker 3: There are throws that deep throw to Hollywood Brown, but

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Speaker 2: The zip.

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Speaker 3: I know his first pass was incomplete, but watching that,

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Speaker 3: I thought, WHOA, that is something that this offense has

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Speaker 3: been missing. Not a knock on Claytonton or Josh Dobbs.

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Speaker 3: It isn't the way that Kyler throws the ball. And

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Speaker 3: so it's impressive when you're talking about the command he

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Speaker 3: had in the huddle, is it used to going in

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Speaker 3: the huddle as much? He was under center eight or

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Speaker 3: he was able to integrate all of his receivers. I mean,

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Speaker 3: has there really been a game where you have seen

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Speaker 3: So while it is impressive when you're talking about trusting

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Speaker 4: to get I was just trying to get a pass interference.

434
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 4: But for him to basically puff the swim move and

435
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 4: throw the guy out of the way so he could

436
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 4: go catch it, and then making sure he did catch it,

437
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 4: that was pretty impressive.

438
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 3: McBride was sitting at ninety eight receiving yards for a

439
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 3: little too long and ended up being the first Cardinals

440
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 3: tight end to surpass one hundred yards in a game

441
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 3: and some.

442
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 4: Thirty thirty four years.

443
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 3: Which knew I was not alive. It's checkere was he

444
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 3: He was not? I was, but he was sitting at

445
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 3: ninety eight for for a while. I know, Oh, there's

446
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 3: no way he's not going to hit a hundred.

447
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 4: I had the tweet primed as soon as he got

448
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 4: to ninety eight and then the interception happened, and nobody

449
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 4: made note of this, but I don't. I think the

450
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 4: bomb to him was the first target Kyler had to

451
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 4: him since the interception. He was at ninety eight yards.

452
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 4: They threw the pick and then Kyler didn't throw it

453
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: his way anymore, and I'm like, and that was in

454
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 4: the third quarter, and I'm like, oh, come on, I

455
00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 4: want to use his tweet.

456
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: So here's the backstory on that. I asked Trey McBride

457
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: about that catch specifically, or is our postgame radio guest

458
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: in the locker room? And he said he went to

459
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: Kyler before that drive and he said, if this guy

460
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 2: is over me in man coverage, I've been killing this

461
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: guy all game. He said, just throw it up. That's

462
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: what Kyler did. He saw him in man coverage. He

463
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: threw it up and he went after and got it.

464
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. Of his eight catches, seven were

465
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 2: for first downs. Yeah, he had forty yards after contact.

466
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 2: We've been saying for six weeks now, dude does not

467
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: go down on first contact.

468
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,959
Speaker 4: Mark Bavaro esque. There you go, Danny doesn't know who

469
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 4: we're talking about. I got ripped on Twitter for saying

470
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 4: that's way too old of a reference, But I don't care,

471
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 4: Mark Bavarro, look it up.

472
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: It's right, own it, own it. And look here's the

473
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 2: other thing about His most impressive catch was probably what

474
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Speaker 2: Lorenzo Alexander went into great detail about today on the

475
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 2: Red Seer Report, the seventh route, which was on the

476
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 2: sideline where he had a leap and stretch the balls

477
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 2: going away from him towards sideline and he reeled that in,

478
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: just like a couple of games ago where he had

479
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: that well what he thought was a drop, but it

480
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: was a very difficult catch. He expected himself to make it,

481
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: and they slammed his helmet down as he came to

482
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: the sideline. I mean, he's very demanding of himself trade McBride.

483
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 3: I think that's the confidence of getting these opportunities. He's

484
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 3: making the most of them. It will be interesting. Zach

485
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 3: Ertz has one more game to miss, right for ir

486
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: the minimum of four games was right because.

487
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Speaker 2: It happened right before the trade deadline, so right at

488
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: least one more.

489
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. Are the Cardinals going

490
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 3: to ride the hot hand or what exactly are you

491
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: going to do when Ertz is ready to return. But

492
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Speaker 3: McBride has been playing out of his mind.

493
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Speaker 2: Come on, he's tight end too. Zach Ertz is tight

494
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: end too.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree.

496
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Speaker 4: I would think that if you're looking at how they

497
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 4: were kind of deploying before zach Ertz got hurt, where

498
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: Ertz was TE one and technically McBride was T two,

499
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 4: but you had Swam as the main blocking tight end,

500
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Speaker 4: I would just think that McBride and Ertz would basically

501
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 4: flip flop roles.

502
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: Well, here's the other question. It's similar to I feel

503
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: like Hollywood Brown. I think that Brown, numbers wise, would

504
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: be having a much better season looking from the outside.

505
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: He just he didn't have that connection with Dobbs for

506
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 3: the first half of the season. Neither did Ertz. So

507
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: are you going to try and give Ertz that opportunity

508
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 3: of that Kyler's back to get out there and maybe

509
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to say turn things around, but come

510
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 3: and make more of an impact than he did the

511
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 3: first half of the season.

512
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Speaker 4: I don't see you doing that with the expense of

513
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: cutting down what McBride has. And McBride is the second

514
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 4: round pick, he's obviously much younger than ERT's. This is

515
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 4: no slam on zach Ertz, but you know, Trey McBride

516
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 4: z Arro is moving up, and obviously zach Ertz is

517
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 4: on the down side of his career. I think zach

518
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 4: Ertz can still help you if he gets back on

519
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: the field, assuming he does, and I would think he would.

520
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 4: That's what JG said before he got hurt, was basically

521
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: he will be back. But right now, Trey McBride is

522
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 4: showing you stuff that you're hoping to see from a

523
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 4: second round pick and want you want to build on

524
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 4: that right now, Like that's what the rest of the

525
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 4: season is about. I know, I know Gannon didn't want

526
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: to talk about this being a new season now, and

527
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 4: that's fine, But if we're going to talk about the

528
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 4: season being as a whole, you're still talking about a

529
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 4: two to eight football team that, barring something unbelievable, is

530
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 4: not going to make the postseason. I want to see

531
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 4: some of these younger guys, the rookies and the second

532
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 4: year players get that kind of time. I will say,

533
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 4: it's funny you mentioned Hollywood Brown because for me, I

534
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 4: love the fact that Kyler was willing to continue to

535
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 4: go to McBride because he was the open guy, I mean,

536
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: Hollywood's boy, and he's still only I think he targeted

537
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 4: him four times now. One was a great, great throw

538
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 4: for a twenty eight yard gain. The other one Hollywood

539
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 4: almost made Kyler look great because it was definitely overthrown

540
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 4: and Kyler or Hollywood was running it, you know, track

541
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 4: speed to just get his fingertips on the ball and

542
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 4: it almost pulled off. But the fact that that Kyler

543
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 4: was willing to go to McBride more often and not

544
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 4: necessarily force feed as friend, I think is an important thing.

545
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: I'd love to know the top speed from Hollywood on that,

546
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 3: like how fast was he going on? We got to know, golly,

547
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: that was impressive.

548
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: Well, well last not on Trey McBride. It did ask

549
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: Annon and the absence of a question, because I'm like, okay,

550
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: what is the question about Trey McBride, And so I

551
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: just threw out the stats eight for a buck thirty

552
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: one first time since nineteen eighty nine? What do you have,

553
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: coach in Trey McBride right now? And he said, you

554
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: have a tight end one. He didn't say the tight

555
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: end one. He said you have a tight end one

556
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 2: in Trey McBride.

557
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: It's a good problem to have, exactly.

558
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 4: So there's going to be and I'm sure we're going

559
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: to talk about it on this podcast. There's as we

560
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 4: get to the end of the season, assuming the record

561
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 4: doesn't get significantly better, there's going to be some of

562
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 4: these debates and questions that are going to have to

563
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: be discussed as you head into the stretch. Are you

564
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 4: going to test some guys at different positions? Are you

565
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: going to test some guys at different spots in the

566
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 4: depth chart? And what does that mean for some of

567
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 4: the veterans that may or may not be here next year.

568
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: Look don't safe, Although to what degree can you play

569
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: the young guys anymore? I mean you talk about let

570
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: the rooks cook, I mean the entire rookie class.

571
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 4: Now disappointed you don't have your T shirt yet, Paul.

572
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: Let's just go from the top. Paris Johnson Junior starter

573
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: Day one, bj Ojalai two sacks, eight tackles in this game.

574
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: So the guy who supposedly was suspect and run defense

575
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: had eight tackles.

576
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: Highest graded rookie PFF player for the week.

577
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: Really yeah, okay, didn't see that.

578
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: The Cardinals had three of top ten.

579
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: Wow, Garrett Williams was he one of those?

580
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: He was?

581
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: He was, okay, Then Michael Wilson, who easily could have

582
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: had a touchdown.

583
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 4: Obviously, Kyler very disappointed.

584
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: So I mean, your top four picks in the first

585
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: three rounds are all absolute keepers at this point. And

586
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: then once you go past John Gaines who had the

587
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: season ending injury, I mean each one of the remaining

588
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: four as received has played a role. Clayton Tune Owen

589
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: Papo and no one talks about him, but he's on

590
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: all the special teams.

591
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 4: Tune at his first touchdown yep.

592
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: And then, by the way, Kyler had a big old

593
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: smile in his face. They showed that on TV. He

594
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: had a big smile in his face when Clayton Tune

595
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: checked in for to take it that last yard across

596
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: the goal line. So like, okay, I get it. So

597
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: that smile, and of course that's the business of football.

598
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: You got a fifth round rookie on a rookie contract,

599
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: You're gonna put him at the center of the frey,

600
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: not you coming off with your two hundred and thirty

601
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: million dollars time a little bit bigger than there's that,

602
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: And then of course, the last two key Trell Clark,

603
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: who was dressed playing a special team yep, Bobby Price

604
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: was out obviously, and then Dante Stills, who the other

605
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: top ten easily could have had a sack that Gardak

606
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: ended up with. Stills was really bummed he had He

607
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: had Taylor Heinekee for a hot moment.

608
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: He's I think Ji's grade was like eighty three point nine.

609
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 4: Stills was over eighty for PFL. Now again, you can

610
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: take PFF grade for what they are, but when you're

611
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: getting that kind of production out of a sixth round pick,

612
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: pretty nice.

613
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: And then the undrafted rookie running back of Mario de

614
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: Marcatto before the toe injury. I mean he looked good.

615
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean he definitely if he was healthy, there's no

616
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: doubt he would be the number two in the one

617
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: two punch of running backs.

618
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: I'm disappointed you didn't say more about him in training camp.

619
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Speaker 3: Job.

620
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: You're right, you know what little flex on camera here,

621
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: let's see the pauly pigskin breakout player at camp on

622
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: offense was Amrio de Murcatto and defense was Dante Still.

623
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: Are you going to pretend like you had one player.

624
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: Because of constant noise and pressure from the outside. We

625
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: did whittle it down to an offensive and defensive player.

626
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: When did we do this?

627
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: Of course, what happened to the other six on your list?

628
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: As we move it on quickly and segue to the defense.

629
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Speaker 2: Speaking of Dante Stills, how about a defense that did

630
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: make second half adjustments, I'll say that much. For example,

631
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: on the fourth and one stop that supposedly was a

632
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: call they put in an halftime. If we get this

633
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: stinking look again from Atlanta, we're gonna do this in response.

634
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: Atlanta did it on the fourth and one, and then

635
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: the Cardinals stoned it.

636
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: Richard did slip a little bit.

637
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: Did yeah, just with the turf Monster did get him

638
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: a little bit, Yes, a little bit, there's no doubt.

639
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 4: But still we make no apologies here, Paul.

640
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: Atlanta ran it forty one times, they threw it twenty

641
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: one times, but in the third quarter they had negative

642
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: two yards. I mean, it's like shades of Todd Bowles.

643
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: Remember Todd Bowles was I remember Todd bowl was, I

644
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: mean famous for his halftime adjustments, and so that was

645
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: like the best set of halftime adjustments maybe we've seen

646
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: all year.

647
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: Honestly, it was impressive and you did what you had

648
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: to do to contain a run first Falcons offense. I

649
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: know that going into the game, Atlanta not the most

650
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: threatening offense or team, but still balance. I mean they

651
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: had put up one hundred rushing yards in seven of

652
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: nine games. Of their thirty three explosive plays of twenty

653
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: more yards, like twenty seven of those came in the air,

654
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 3: so they were able to get teams both ways, but

655
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: the Cardinals were able to contain them.

656
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what's sort of great that Buddha Baker received,

657
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: not that he really needs to pay any attention at

658
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: this point in his career to PFF, but the fact

659
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: he made a couple of open field tackles against b

660
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: Jehn Robinson.

661
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: Those were remarkable.

662
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: You can count on one hand how many defenders tackle

663
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: Bjeon Robinson in space in the open field like Buddha

664
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: Baker did.

665
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: I will say that seeing b Jhon Robinson live, he's

666
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: the real deal.

667
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: At me, oh yeah, I mean his acceleration and the

668
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: jump cuts, just athleticism, the explosion, him getting through the

669
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, just sort of hesitating. And that's what

670
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: Dante still told us in the big red rage because

671
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: he went against him four years in a row West

672
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: Virginia against Texas, that he has this unbelievable blend of

673
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: patience and acceleration. Look, he'll look and then boom he

674
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: stokes it and he's by you. It's just And he

675
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: said in Atlanta Scheme he actually was as aggressive as

676
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: he's ever seen a Bjeon Robinson on Atlanta film. So

677
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: how he came in with less carries than Tyler Algier,

678
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't understand to check out the Falcon

679
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: from the ground for.

680
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: That the way the Falcons utilize a lot of their

681
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: offensive pieces.

682
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: Interesting by the way, c J. Stroud is that our

683
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: segue to c J. Stroud in the assignment at hand, it.

684
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 4: Can be Paul, would you like it to be are you?

685
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: Are you going to say something to Houston and remind

686
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: them that we have their first pick and you know,

687
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: maybe go easy on us and the other teams the rest.

688
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: Of the year. So that would be about pick number

689
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: twenty right now, because there's the seventh seed in the

690
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: playoff race right now.

691
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: Is twenty right now after this past week, and I

692
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 4: think Cardinals are sitting at three and the Houston's at twenty,

693
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: and I don't know where Houston goes from here. I

694
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: do strongly feel like the Cardinals aren't going to be

695
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: a top three pick when this is all said and done.

696
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: Totally agree Carolina Giants in New England and that Carolina

697
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: of course goes to that goes there's a chance pass. Yeah,

698
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, you know it's so oh yeah yeah. The

699
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: question is, now, is it going to even be a

700
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: top five pick the way some of these I mean,

701
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: the way the Cardinals are trending and the way some

702
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: of these other teams are trending. Yes, with eight games

703
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: to go, Yes, correct, seven games to go.

704
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: I mean to believe it's only seven games.

705
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: But you know what, can I just say this too?

706
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want because driving home and

707
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: listening to some of the postgame calls, well, that's your

708
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: first mistake and in the face in the face of

709
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: a victory and griping and grousing about your draft selection. Okay,

710
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: have we not all learned it's not as much nearly

711
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: as much about where you draft as is who's doing

712
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: the drafting. Can we all agree on that? Now, if

713
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: you need a franchise quarterback and you get the number

714
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: one pick. I get it, there was one Kyler Murray

715
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: that year. You know there's one. But even if Patrick

716
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: mc patrick Mahomes went number twelve, yes, so, or was

717
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: that Deshaun Watson. The Mahomes went ten and Deshaun Watson

718
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: went twelve whatever that was a year Mitchell Trubisky went

719
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: number two.

720
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: Also, we've learned many awesome for it has no problem

721
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: you know, making trades and.

722
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: We could trade up and being busy. So I don't

723
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 4: think this team is going to be looking at a quarterback.

724
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 4: I think they're not going to because of where they're

725
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: going to be drafting. And I don't think they're going

726
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: to be because you've paid your guy and he's going

727
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 4: to play pretty well and now you use these all

728
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: these all this ammunition to build a round.

729
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 3: But it would be nicer if Houston could help us

730
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: out a little bit more than what they've been doing.

731
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: And the year on a losing streak all the way.

732
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, the Texans already have more wins than

733
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 2: they had all of last season. They have their most

734
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: wins since they were a ten win team in twenty nineteen,

735
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: although they haven't had a three game winning streak since

736
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.

737
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: The Cardinals always play and they don't go there very often,

738
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: but the Cardinals always play kind of yucky in Houston though.

739
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: Well Houston is yucky. Oh that's going to be in

740
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: the open as man. Wo okay, I mean I stand by.

741
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: I will say this. If you're from Dallas, you don't

742
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 3: like Houston. If you're from Houston, you don't like Dallas.

743
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: So it's not just me.

744
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Scout report on Houston there. Dany would be

745
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: like if we asked Darren about Tucson, this is fair.

746
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'll you two sun nights out there. Sorry to

747
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: my brother lives down there.

748
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: So what you do, yes, what you do if you're

749
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: the Cardinals is you build up c J. Stroud all

750
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: week long, right like Nick Rolsis meeting the media and

751
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: saying I'd heard the noise about you know c J.

752
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: Stroud and I looked at the film and it was legit.

753
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: It was legit. He's a legit MVP candidate. I was

754
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: gonna say, you just you layer it on. I mean,

755
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: you really lam based him with praise, right.

756
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: How what does it matter what the Cardinals say? Literally

757
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: every national talk show is talking about him being an

758
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: MVP candidate. You don't have to do anything here, and

759
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 4: everybody else nationally is talking about how c J. Stroud

760
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: should be in the MVB talk and and that kind

761
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: of stuff. I don't I don't think the Cardinals really

762
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: have to really go out of their way.

763
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: Well, because I was actually going to contribute, I was

764
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: going to pile on with the praise Darren. I was

765
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: gonna mention, how you know, the only quarterbacks in NFL

766
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: history to lead the NFL through ten weeks of his

767
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: season in both passing yards per game and touchdown interception

768
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: ratio are the following Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes,

769
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: and c J. Stroud.

770
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, wait, back up, what's the what's.

771
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: The through ten weeks of a season through only four

772
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: quarterbacks have led the NFL simultaneously in passing yards per

773
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: game and touchdown interception ratio because he has fifteen touchdowns

774
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: and two picks. So not just any quarterback.

775
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: Okay, and that's a nice list.

776
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: There are four. Peyton did it one year, Brady did

777
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: it one year, Mahomes did it one year.

778
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: C J. Stroud, Hello, right, yeah, but has he seen

779
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: Victor D. McCage yet he has.

780
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: Not, I mean more praise. Two weeks ago, he said

781
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: single game rookie records, all time records with four hundred

782
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: and seventy yards passing in five touchdowns against Tampa. Right

783
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: the last rookie quarterback darren to lead the NFL in

784
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: passing yards per game for a whole season, Davy O'Brien

785
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine. They named an award after that.

786
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 4: I don't know him personally, but I know of him.

787
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: So and Dan. His last two games, by the way,

788
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: he's led two game winning drives, which is some sort

789
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 2: of other record, you know. See get back back to reality,

790
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty three, and so you're around in

791
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine, he went to Cincinnati and on to

792
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and he got the win against Joe Burrow. And

793
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: then same with the week before against Tampa, two different games,

794
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: two different ways, thirty nine, thirty seven. The week before

795
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: there you go CJ. Stroud in Houston, and he did

796
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: it last week without his number one receiver and his

797
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: number one running back. So you gotta And then Tamiko

798
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: Ryans obviously known for the defense in the scheme, and

799
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: they seemingly have a solidified their offensive line. That was

800
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: the word out of Houston. I mean, once again, if

801
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: you're going to talk about the Cardinals between here and

802
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: now and then going into the off season, to me

803
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: beyond Kyler, is that offensive line? Okay? You know what?

804
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: How much more needs to be done? Like if you

805
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: look at the Lions right now in their turnaround, I

806
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: think the underrated part of that Lions rebuild has been

807
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: the offensive line. They have a top five offensive line

808
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

809
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: If you had to ask me right now, let's say

810
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: the Cardinals did end up with a third overall pick

811
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: and didn't trade it, and you had asked me right

812
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 4: now what position that would be spent on. It would

813
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 4: not be Marvin Harrison Junior, and it would not be

814
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 4: a quarterback. It would be an offensive lineman.

815
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: I agree.

816
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 4: I think Monte Austin Ford is going to look hard

817
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 4: on the two lines, and that's where the premium first

818
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: round picks are going to go, and that's where this

819
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: team is going to build. And some fans are going

820
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: to get disappointed. And it's possible, it's possible, see where

821
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: they're picking, it's possible they pass up on a Marvin

822
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 4: Harrison to make a pick like that, but I think

823
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 4: that is where the focus is going to be.

824
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: What about d line, what if there's a Nick Bosa,

825
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett very very I think in.

826
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: The trenches is going to be a top rategy of

827
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: if depending on are you going to end up still

828
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: with two first round picks or are you going to

829
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: use you know you're going to package some things away

830
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 3: and drop back or look ahead in the future or

831
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: whatever that might be. I think I think offensive and

832
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: defensive linemen are going to be a top priority.

833
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: Yep, you know the guy two weeks in a row

834
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: has got a big shout out. He just brought him

835
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: up on his own. On the TV side, Jonathan Gannon

836
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: shouted out Kevin Strong Junior two weeks in a row,

837
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: said he graded out really high.

838
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 4: I've been impressed with what Nick Roulis has done on

839
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: defense and what they have done defensively considering what you

840
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: would probably consider a lack of defensive lineman, especially like

841
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 4: they've gotten past it with try hard guys. And that's

842
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: I hope they're not upset if they ever hear that,

843
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 4: which they won't. They won't listen to this. But Kevin

844
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 4: Strong has had his moments. Lucky Fotu Jonathan Ledbetter.

845
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: We saw a lot of good things out of Carlos

846
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: Watkins and l J. Collier before we got her.

847
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: I just even Roy Lopez was all over the field.

848
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: I mean, they've done nice jobs with how they're teaching

849
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 4: these guys to play. And that's why I don't it'd

850
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: be nice to have a defensive line like the Eagles,

851
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 4: and that's the ultimate goal. But if you can get

852
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 4: one or two guys on the defense line to stoke

853
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 4: up some of these other guys that they have, you're

854
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna make a big step forward.

855
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: And you're getting enough with the pass rushers, now, is it?

856
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: Is it a lot? No? Is it top of the league? No,

857
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: But I think you're getting more than we all probably expected.

858
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 4: I would agree with that. For me, you either need

859
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 4: to upgrade the pass rush a little bit more, or

860
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 4: you got to upgrade the cornerback coverage a little bit

861
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 4: more to really bounce to where you need it, because

862
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 4: I think you need it. Was funny I asked Nick

863
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 4: Rolis this week about if you had an elite pass rusher,

864
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 4: because they've been so big on rotating the outside linebackers,

865
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 4: if you had an elite pass rusher. How would you

866
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 4: approach it? And he insisted that the rotation would continue

867
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 4: to happen that way even if I ela guy. Now,

868
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: if I've got an elite edge guy, I don't know

869
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 4: if I love rotating him out a ton.

870
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: What if Nick Ross had wait for it Will Anderson Junior?

871
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: What if the Cardinals had stayed at number three and

872
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: selected Will Anderson? Do you think he'd really be in

873
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: a rotation with five other guys.

874
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 4: Well, here's here's here's the next level of that question, okay.

875
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: Is one of the reasons they didn't take Will Anderson

876
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: is because their philosophy is such that they don't necessarily

877
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 4: are looking for an elite outside guy because they're gonna

878
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 4: rotate them a bunch. Anyways, you might want an elite

879
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 4: inside guy, but maybe they're not gonna look or spend

880
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 4: a real high if you If you find a guy

881
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 4: in the third round, great, but they may not look

882
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: for an elite edge guy if that's how they.

883
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: Look at it. And you know what, I agree with

884
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: the O line D line corner. I think those would

885
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: be you know, the positions you'd consider seriously in the

886
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: top five, top ten of the draft. But once again

887
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: on D line, if you took the Eagles or you

888
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: took the forty nine ers and you just took their

889
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: D line room with a Cardinals D line room and

890
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: you put them into.

891
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: A draft, yeah.

892
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: How many Eagles and forty nine ers D linemen would

893
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: be selected before you take a single card defensive linemen.

894
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: Just illustrate the point that they're doing more with less

895
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: than maybe any team in the league when it comes

896
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: to D line.

897
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been impressed of what they've been able to do.

898
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: And I think really the last couple of games, I mean,

899
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: think of how many games halftime adjustments were being made

900
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: against the Cardinals to run the ball. I think of

901
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: the Rams game. They came out and they ran the

902
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: ball eight or nine straight times. They had like twenty

903
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: rushing yards in the first half and ended up I

904
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 3: don't know, probably goes to one fifty or something ridiculous.

905
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: And that hasn't really been a problem the last couple

906
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: of weeks.

907
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 4: Well, it wasn't the Cleveland we're not counting.

908
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: We're not counting Cleveland.

909
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: I will say this, I do think circling all the

910
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 4: way back to Kyler, that's also going to make a difference.

911
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: Like when the Rams got it going running the ball.

912
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 4: Part of the issue was the Cardinals offense disappeared in

913
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: the second half. If you've got Kyler running an offense

914
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: where you can stay on the field, where you can

915
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: keep that defense rested a little bit, then that that helps.

916
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 4: I think the talent thing really shows when they're out

917
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 4: there even more. But if you can keep them rested

918
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: and then you're rotating them, I think you've got a

919
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: chance to make some things, good things happen.

920
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: It's just it's been impressive of the way somebody like

921
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: Dennis Gardak, who has been more of that utility player

922
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: the last couple of years, to come in and make

923
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: such a splash, one of the one of the leaders

924
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: on that in that room of leading the charge. And

925
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: he now has the most sacks buy an undrafted rookie

926
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: for the Cardinals, which is which says a lot about

927
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: his hard work.

928
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: You kind of took that personal, by the way, when

929
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: he has asked that question as locker after the game,

930
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: He's like, Yeah, I'm trying to get rid of that qualifier.

931
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: I just want the most sacks, not by an undrafted guy.

932
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: I just want the most sacks, Like he's tired of

933
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: hearing every one of his stats kind of comes with

934
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: the qualifier, you know, as an undrafted player dot dot dot.

935
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: But look when you come out speaking of the Cleveland

936
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: game right the week after that, we forgot about that game.

937
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: You had more total net yards on the first drive

938
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: with Kyler, you had the entire game the week before.

939
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 4: Technically was a second drive. They went three and out

940
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: the first drive. But we know its Darren.

941
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: The rising tide that lifts all players, I guess, is

942
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, right, And so I mean, let's

943
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: face it, the Cardinals minus Kyler, in between the injury

944
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: and his return, they were one and thirteen with Cole McCoy,

945
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: David Blow, Trace McSorley, got about Trace, Josh Dobbs, and

946
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: Clayton Tune. So here's the last question I'll have. He

947
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: was under center nine times by whoever calculated that up.

948
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: I tried to get Ron Wolfley to apologize to all

949
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: his base and onions for you know, under delivering on

950
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: his promise of having Kyler under center in this scheme.

951
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: Was there any level of disappointment and or surprise from

952
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: the number of times he was under center?

953
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: No, for me, it wasn't disappointment again. This was something

954
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: else I address in the mail bag. For me, I

955
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: want to see him under center more. And that was

956
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 4: more than he used to do with Cliff Kingsbury. Not

957
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 4: a ton more. Nine is nine, but it was still more.

958
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: And if you can execute an offense where you have

959
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: that in the playbook that you're going to once in

960
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 4: a while or a little bit more than once in

961
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: a while, and you can do the other things you

962
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 4: want to do out of the shotgun, and it's still

963
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 4: fooling the defense, I don't care if he's in the shotgun.

964
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 4: They ran a couple of play actions out of shotgun.

965
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 4: In fact, I think the twenty eight yard pass to

966
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: Hollywood Brown was a shotgun play action and it got

967
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: him open. I mean, I don't care how it's executed.

968
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: It just needs to be executed. And I would hazard

969
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 4: a guess if Cliff Kingsbury had put Kyler Murray under

970
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 4: center nine times or half the time and you were

971
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 4: still having the same offensive results, there wouldn't be all

972
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 4: these fans going why why why is he not under center?

973
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 4: That the reason they were struggling before wasn't primarily because

974
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 4: he was in shotgun. Let's get that straight right now.

975
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: Well, like I told Wolf, I really don't care necessarily.

976
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: I just want James Connor downhill. Yes, I want James

977
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: Connor with a head of steam. That's what I want.

978
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: So you want to put him in the stool or whatever,

979
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't matter to me. I mean you

980
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: can spread everyone out. Just give me James Connor downhill.

981
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: By the way, I lied. Here's here's the last question

982
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: I want to throw out there. This is from Roy

983
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: jetstream Green all right, the great one himself. His name's

984
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: on the building, so we give him the floor. With

985
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: the following rant, he wanted to know at the end

986
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 2: of the game, why it made more sense to line

987
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: up a game winning fuel goal a walk off fueld

988
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: goal versus scoring the touchdown with maybe thirty seconds ago

989
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: after you get Atlanta to use their last time out.

990
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 2: Why not score the surefire touchdown, forcing them to score

991
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: a touchdown with thirty seconds or less on the clock

992
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: and forcing them to go hold the whole length of

993
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: the field. Why is it less risky or more sure

994
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: fire of a bet to line up a game winning

995
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: chip shot when you've already had at least one incident

996
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: this year with a holder who's new to the job.

997
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: It's a fair question. I do think it's a fair question.

998
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: I will say this, I don't have the analytics. I

999
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 4: don't have the stats. I'm willing to bet a large

1000
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: amount of money that, however, microscopic the chances if you

1001
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 4: give the Falcons the ball at the twenty five yard

1002
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 4: line with thirty seconds left, needing a touchdown, I would

1003
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: guess that is still a greater percentage of a touchdown

1004
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: happening there than you failing to make a twenty two

1005
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: yard field goal. That is what my guess is. So

1006
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 4: then you say to yourself, let's just run down the clock.

1007
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: If they can't get the ball at all, they can't score. Now,

1008
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: it's not You're not wrong. And even Jeff Rodgers acknowledged

1009
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: to us that things happen.

1010
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: Because it's one thing to do it when it's a

1011
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: tie game, and at least you have the safety net

1012
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: of overtime. But when you're trailing, you're right, and that

1013
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: gets screwed up.

1014
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 4: You lose. There's a fantat well, yeah, and funny things

1015
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 4: happen this weekend. That's just as the bills on stup losses.

1016
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 4: But it's funny because I'm gonna do a blog post

1017
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: on this very subject. And I found this picture not

1018
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: by Caitlin Epps, but actually by Pete Vanderstaff, another one

1019
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: of our photographers, and it's the picture after the six

1020
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: yard run from the seven where Connor's trying to go down,

1021
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: and the picture is of like Connor midway through dropping

1022
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: to the ground and you can see the Falcons defender

1023
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: desperately trying to push him towards the goal line because

1024
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 4: they're trying to push him into the end zone so

1025
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: that they did get a chance to get the ball back.

1026
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, I like that. It's almost like oh man,

1027
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: but then you're like, oh, that takes a lot. I

1028
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: feel like from the player of you really see that

1029
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: team mentality of they're not going to go and get

1030
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 3: the touchdown and get the stat for themselves and put

1031
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: the points on the board. Like James knew what the

1032
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: right decision was from the team standpoint, and he did that.

1033
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: The other amazing part is right after the game, it's

1034
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: on a big victory like that last second victory, sometimes

1035
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: we get clearance to do an immediate on field interview,

1036
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: so we grab Matt Prater and we did three questions

1037
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: on the air ninety seconds after his game winning field goal. Okay, great.

1038
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 2: Next day had to interview him on the radio side.

1039
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: When I was carrying wolfs Keister for four hours on

1040
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: his own show. He comes on, I reference the interview

1041
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: and we get a zero answer, Like he's like, what huh?

1042
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: He had no idea what I was talking about. He

1043
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: said he had no recollection of that interview on the field,

1044
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: and that quite often he'll black out, like after something

1045
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: like that.

1046
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: Oh, so this isn't about you. Yeah, well, I know.

1047
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: Whether they take it personal or not. I mean, you know,

1048
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: there's definitely that chance I should take it personal. I'm

1049
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: not exactly certain, but he and then you look at

1050
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: his track record. I didn't realize this until they put

1051
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: out the notes. He's seventeen for seventeen all time in

1052
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 2: career game winning field goals. So he must go into

1053
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: another zone maybe mentally, to be so automatic.

1054
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 4: I mean, going back to your original question on this

1055
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 4: this segment, I'm like, I mean, you're right, they haven't

1056
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: had the perfect holds and that there's there's got to

1057
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 4: be some nerves there between the holder and the snapper.

1058
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: Forget I don't I think. I think Praterer was probably

1059
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 4: just fine. Now this is a twenty two year If

1060
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 4: it's there, I'm gonna make this. But like the rest

1061
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 4: of it, it would have been interesting and and somebody

1062
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 4: made the point, and I would tend to agree with this.

1063
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 4: It's not like Patrick Mahomes is on the other side.

1064
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: It's not like it was Tom Brady. It was Desmond Ritter.

1065
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: Like there's a difference there between like who you're giving

1066
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: that last twenty five seconds too.

1067
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 2: And by the way, you can always tell on the sideline,

1068
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: this is how equipped the kicker is in that moment.

1069
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: There was I shared this story. I forget how long

1070
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: ago this was, but there was a kicker who was

1071
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: who knew the game winning attempt was coming up, and

1072
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: you could just tell on that kicker's face he was gripping.

1073
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 4: I'm afraid I know who you're talking about, and the.

1074
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: Pressure was mounting, and there.

1075
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: It was actually might know a couple of them.

1076
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 2: A forty something yard game winning field goal attempt with

1077
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 2: three seconds left on the clock. Cardinals user the last

1078
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: time out, they call his name, Get out there. He

1079
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: goes running out to the field. Get back here. You

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00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: forgot your helmet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

1082
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Speaker 2: And it didn't go well. That was an early indicator

1083
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Speaker 2: that yeah, it was uh yeah yeah, so it got sideways.

1084
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Speaker 2: I'll end up losing. But you knew from the moment

1085
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Speaker 2: he crossed the white stripe without his helmet that maybe

1086
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Speaker 2: the moment was a little too big for him, a

1087
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Speaker 2: little bit, no boy, No, okay, there you go. It's uh,

1088
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Speaker 2: you know, just another reason to appreciate your kicker. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I hope there's praise and only praise for

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Speaker 2: Matt Brader in the mailbag machine. A machine, the machine.

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Speaker 2: There you go. That'll do it for this addition of

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