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Speaker 1: episode fifteen. Suddenly everything has changed, change too much. Change.
Speaker 1: Air date February thousand and four, and the synopsis is,
Speaker 1: after his near death experience, Lucas decides he made the
Speaker 1: wrong choice. But what he did? He ever make a choice?
Speaker 1: The whole synopsis, Yeah, that's what it says. There's a
Speaker 1: lot happening in the US. A lot of other stuff
Speaker 1: happened in this episode also before we had started. Hey,
Speaker 1: we just want to say thank you to everyone who
Speaker 1: came to our live event. We had so much fun
Speaker 1: with you guys. You can't wait to do it again.
Speaker 1: And if you missed it, you know we will will
Speaker 1: do this again, and we hope that you join us
Speaker 1: because we really had a ball. So thank you for everyone.
Speaker 1: Who came. Yeah, I feel like slumber parties need to
Speaker 1: be that's our brand, man. We are slumber party girls.
Speaker 1: That's the first time I've had a slumber party without
Speaker 1: my children in yeah, like forever. If I see my
Speaker 1: girlfriends at home, we all have our kids and stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: I had a really good time you guys. That was
Speaker 1: exactly what I needed Fantassic, you know, and we also
Speaker 1: got to be together while we talked to Paul, who
Speaker 1: really walked us through a lot of the Dan Scott
Speaker 1: decision making, which we saw on full display in this episode.
Speaker 1: You know, Paul explained to us that every decision he
Speaker 1: made was because he loved his kids so much, and
Speaker 1: so even through all of the like horrific stuff he's
Speaker 1: doing in this episode, he just keeps ringing that bell.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's because I love you. It's because I
Speaker 1: love you. Which is It's interesting because and we talked
Speaker 1: about this with Paul last week. If he were just
Speaker 1: playing it as a villain, he would be boring. But
Speaker 1: because as an actor, he is coloring Dan's deeply narcissistic,
Speaker 1: you know, deeply abusive on the page behavior with love.
Speaker 1: It's like toxic love is a really interesting thing to
Speaker 1: explore because so many people go through it, so many
Speaker 1: people come from you know, families where there's generational abuse,
Speaker 1: where there's inherited trauma, and you start to see it unfold.
Speaker 1: He does such a beautiful job with it. It's such
Speaker 1: a weird thing to be like, Oh, Paul, you do
Speaker 1: such a beautiful job making us all cringe being terrible.
Speaker 1: The dev stuff is killing of order, and like what
Speaker 1: happened in this episode but not knowing what deb did?
Speaker 1: I don't remember is it is something as simple as
Speaker 1: an affair, because like who cares? You know? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: do we really blame her with being married to this sociopath?
Speaker 1: What could it be? Curious? Guys? Was it pain meds?
Speaker 1: Did she? Like? Did she end up? Like? Because I
Speaker 1: know that was later, but maybe I'm just jaded at
Speaker 1: this point, but I'm like, what could she have done?
Speaker 1: That is that she's like, Oh, the town can never
Speaker 1: know about this, Like the town need cares. I suppose
Speaker 1: we have to remember early as small town women weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to do anything wrong. Yeah, that's true. It's a
Speaker 1: different time. Yeah, now we're out of here making poor choices,
Speaker 1: Like what do you want from me? I'm a human,
Speaker 1: you know. It weirdly made me think of when we
Speaker 1: all did the time capsule and and Brooke talks about how,
Speaker 1: you know, you can basically make any mistake and be
Speaker 1: any kind of average if you're a man, but as
Speaker 1: a woman you're not allowed to and interesting, and I wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, if we were feeling that, you know, playing
Speaker 1: high school kids in the early OTTs, what we're grown
Speaker 1: ups with actual kids, what had they've been steeped in? Honestly, like,
Speaker 1: what could deb have done? Let's let's guess, because I
Speaker 1: figured we're going to find out in the next episode
Speaker 1: or two what could have done? That would be like
Speaker 1: like game changer, deal breaker. It's also hard because everyone
Speaker 1: on our show did every wrong thing. People had addictions,
Speaker 1: people had affairs, people drunk drove, they did all the
Speaker 1: bad things. So given the fact that every character on
Speaker 1: our show has done something ridiculous, like what could she
Speaker 1: have done? Like, the only thing I can think of
Speaker 1: is like if she tried to drown Nathan in the
Speaker 1: bathtub when he was a toddler. You know, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: By the way, that's a piece of information that I
Speaker 1: could see being like horrif and would drive away between
Speaker 1: Nathan and his mother. But if she's kissing some dude
Speaker 1: on like a business conference, I don't care. Did she
Speaker 1: embezzle money? Who cares? Honestly, that's not a game changer.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think of what it
Speaker 1: would be. I don't know. I don't know. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to find out there really, but they know how
Speaker 1: to draw some things out, but other things they just
Speaker 1: speed race or through this whole I mean, Peyton and
Speaker 1: Lucas hooking back up again. It seems it feels so soon.
Speaker 1: Can't they'd like just suspend our suspense a little. They
Speaker 1: were like, you know that thing in other TV shows
Speaker 1: where they don't let the characters get together for a
Speaker 1: really long time so the audience really wants it. We're
Speaker 1: not going to do that on this show. I want
Speaker 1: to do the opposite, tried and true, tested method of
Speaker 1: drawing people in there. No, this is not moonlighting. No,
Speaker 1: they really just skip ahead and mine. Even in the
Speaker 1: last episode, you've seen Brooke and Karen sort of begin
Speaker 1: to have this bonding and and then Lucas wakes up
Speaker 1: and it's just like Mom to Peyton, come to see me,
Speaker 1: Like what Karen's sitting there going what's going on, but
Speaker 1: doesn't even get to ask the question till the end
Speaker 1: of the episode. Her befuddlement was probably the thing I
Speaker 1: connected with most in this episode, because even as a viewer,
Speaker 1: I'm like, buddy, well, I've whiplash, like what is your situation?
Speaker 1: And also I really wish that they had I mean,
Speaker 1: I get what the show was and with the time
Speaker 1: that it was on in terms of being in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands and what was happening on TV and
Speaker 1: all that, but you know, nowadays, I feel like storytelling
Speaker 1: gets a little more authentic and television in this realm.
Speaker 1: And I really wish that they had gone into the
Speaker 1: depth of why Lucas was so needy. I mean, is
Speaker 1: need for love and attention was so intense, because, let
Speaker 1: me tell you, if I was dating a guy that
Speaker 1: was talking to me the way that he's talking to
Speaker 1: Peyton that fast, I wish we could fast forward six months.
Speaker 1: I just want to be with you. I just love you.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, we just started getting to know each
Speaker 1: other like a month or two ago. Started like please
Speaker 1: stop it. Quit sending me flowers, quit showing up on
Speaker 1: my doorstep. Quit, not that he didn't showing you flowers,
Speaker 1: but peace. Also, by the way, everyone shows up at
Speaker 1: Peyton's house, they just walk in. But we'll get there.
Speaker 1: But that's the song I want Jimmy Allen to write
Speaker 1: about just walking into people's houses. Girl, I don't need it,
Speaker 1: but anyway, that's right. I just I just really wish
Speaker 1: we had to spend some more time understanding why you
Speaker 1: know that's problematic. Well, let's break that down then for
Speaker 1: a second, because we've broken down our own characters, you know,
Speaker 1: like Brooke needs somebody to caddle her, she needs a
Speaker 1: mom to tuck her in. Peyton clearly how her own baggage.
Speaker 1: You know, Haley is one of a lot of kids,
Speaker 1: so creates these really strong boundaries. Lucas is a kid
Speaker 1: who I think grew up with a lot of shame
Speaker 1: because he didn't have a father and everyone knew who
Speaker 1: his father was, knew who his brother was, And so
Speaker 1: does that shame kind of, I guess, encourage him to
Speaker 1: want to be with one of these popular girls, Like
Speaker 1: if I'm with the captain of the cheerleading squad, does
Speaker 1: that validate me? If I'm with this other girl who's
Speaker 1: even more damaged than I am. Does that make me
Speaker 1: the hero? So he's going between being like he's going
Speaker 1: between being the fixer upper and the fixer you know,
Speaker 1: each girl presents a different path for him, and so
Speaker 1: no wonder that he's waffling back and forth. It's what
Speaker 1: we're starting to understand, maybe in this episode for the
Speaker 1: first time, is oh, as we're looking at some of
Speaker 1: the behaviors are especially for men behaving inappropriately on our show.
Speaker 1: We already know what our characters did inappropriately. We've been
Speaker 1: mortified about it for eighteen years, like we've got a
Speaker 1: lot of that. But like looking at Nathan starting off
Speaker 1: as a bad guy, looking at the way that Dan
Speaker 1: treats his family's plural I think now we're starting to see, oh,
Speaker 1: what could the motivation underneath the really at current bad
Speaker 1: behavior we see Lucas displaying and what I think is
Speaker 1: actually really interesting. And this is where you know, some
Speaker 1: of the writing comes in. They were they were really
Speaker 1: rushing through it, whereas Dan got more time to unpack
Speaker 1: his stuff. They rushed the drama with the kids, they
Speaker 1: rushed the sex, they rushed the you know, betrayals, They
Speaker 1: rushed us through a lot. But I think it would
Speaker 1: have been so nice to see this stuff for Lucas
Speaker 1: slowed down and actually imagine if he'd ever been able
Speaker 1: to talk to Haley about this. Oh yeah, in any
Speaker 1: scene ever, not just like I love her, No, I
Speaker 1: love her even just Haley being like, hey man, why
Speaker 1: are you coming on so strong? Like what is your
Speaker 1: need here? Because it's actually really selfish. It has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with these girls. This is about you feeding
Speaker 1: yourself and trying to get full of whatever it is
Speaker 1: that you feel like you're missing. So how can we
Speaker 1: address that instead of you using these other two people
Speaker 1: to fill fill that void in your life. I will
Speaker 1: just say I'm very proud of the adults we've become
Speaker 1: because the things we're saying require immense emotional maturity and
Speaker 1: the therapy, and I think it's great we did the work. Guy,
Speaker 1: you haven't done the work, and now we see how
Speaker 1: other people. That is the difference between storytelling in two
Speaker 1: thousand three, where it was revolutionary for a boy to
Speaker 1: be tender. I mean, I feel like James vanderbyk Gone
Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek was really the first time I saw a
Speaker 1: boy exhibiting stereotypically like female behavior and so our boys
Speaker 1: lean into that in the world of One Tree Hill,
Speaker 1: and that includes like Jake with his daughter, you know,
Speaker 1: um two thousand twenty one. Though we could go so
Speaker 1: much deeper, so much deeper, and really dig into why
Speaker 1: Lucas is making the decisions he's making. I think he's
Speaker 1: just been rattled by this near death experience. And so
Speaker 1: the way you overcome that is by saying, oh, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not a victim. I'm not no, not me, surely
Speaker 1: not me. I'm going to go fix someone else who's
Speaker 1: a disaster, you know, which is Peyton. Peyton's always the disaster.
Speaker 1: You're always saving me, you know. To a guy with
Speaker 1: a hero complex, that's a turn on. And so if
Speaker 1: he's feeling like, oh god, no, I was just a
Speaker 1: weakling who was in a coma for how long do
Speaker 1: we know? Was it a week? Two weeks? Like it
Speaker 1: was a couple of I mean, depending on how many
Speaker 1: times Karen changed her outfit. They gave her so many
Speaker 1: variations of purple shirts to purple shirt, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's probably a week. Maybe maybe last that's a week.
Speaker 1: It's been at least a week. I am frustrated with
Speaker 1: Peyton in this episode because she came flying into his
Speaker 1: bedroom kissing on him, and my natural assumption as a
Speaker 1: viewer was, Oh, she must know that he broke things
Speaker 1: off with Brooke, like he must have texted her or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that too. Halfway through the scene when he's like,
Speaker 1: I broke up with Brooke and she's like what, no way,
Speaker 1: I'm so mad at her. What are you doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got I have to say. It's funny, you know,
Speaker 1: for everyone listening at home, for the three of us
Speaker 1: to watch these episodes together, because whenever one of our
Speaker 1: characters does a terrible thing, we go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what is she doing? And the other two of us
Speaker 1: are dying laughing. And Hillary, I really felt for you
Speaker 1: in that moment because you were like, she doesn't even
Speaker 1: know she's kissing him, and she doesn't even know, doesn't know.
Speaker 1: You were so upset, and we all we're just like,
Speaker 1: why did they do again? You gotta do what's on
Speaker 1: the page. The script is written, it's our job to
Speaker 1: do it, and you just know that those are the
Speaker 1: days when you go to work and you're like, I
Speaker 1: really don't want to do this. I think this is
Speaker 1: a bad choice. Did you remember did you call it
Speaker 1: out on the day? I mean, well, I mean say something.
Speaker 1: I was always any time I had to kiss anyone,
Speaker 1: You guys know, I was a bit about it. I
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't want to do this. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I was really frustrated because it
Speaker 1: felt like character assassination. It's like parent Payton and done
Speaker 1: all this work to explain why she's such like an Eyore,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you just gotta go and screw
Speaker 1: it up by kissing this dude the second he gets
Speaker 1: out of the hospital. She had exhibited restraint. You know
Speaker 1: in all the previous episodes, you know, where Brooks holding
Speaker 1: his hand at the side of the hospital bed and
Speaker 1: Paine's just gotta go. Clearly Brooke has been in his bedroom.
Speaker 1: There's plants everywhere, there's Christmas. I don't know who she
Speaker 1: thinks did that? Um did we even know what feng
Speaker 1: shui was in two thousand three? Was that like a
Speaker 1: new that was new? I don't know. Now I'm like,
Speaker 1: this inappropriate. I don't know. It's appropria, That's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say. I was like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: I feel about that, but I will say. It's when
Speaker 1: we're thinking about the ways that characters exhibit the the
Speaker 1: things that make them feel validated. For Brooke, it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take my credit card and go buy
Speaker 1: all these things and decorate your room so you know
Speaker 1: I love you. You know that's that's the only way
Speaker 1: she's ever known to do anything. And and I think
Speaker 1: it actually draws this really sweet through line later when
Speaker 1: Peyton is trying to hold steadfast and says, like brooks
Speaker 1: my best friend. She came over every single day. You
Speaker 1: realize that from the age of nine, that's actually been
Speaker 1: the best validation, Like the best version of Brooke is
Speaker 1: the person who always shows up when someone's hurting. And
Speaker 1: and I think that creates the kind of double whammy
Speaker 1: at the end, Peyton has been trying to be the
Speaker 1: best version of herself and keeps getting sucked back into
Speaker 1: this thing. They should have had this wake up call
Speaker 1: before she went flying into that bedroom. She didn't just
Speaker 1: remember at the end of I don't sorry, I don't disagree,
Speaker 1: I'm just friend, there was a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of sloppiness, a lot of a lot of messiness. I
Speaker 1: mean Peyton leaving her webcam on how about Lucas watching
Speaker 1: Peyton guys and she signs off the horror the sign off,
Speaker 1: but you guys, Okay, So instant Messenger for you children
Speaker 1: out there that we're not alive for that era, Like
Speaker 1: we don't pretend we were doing our homework. So like
Speaker 1: senior in high school, we get like a family computer
Speaker 1: where you can get on instant Messenger and you pretend
Speaker 1: to do your homework. But really you were like talking
Speaker 1: to boys or someone on the other side of the world,
Speaker 1: some stranger because it was instant message, like you could
Speaker 1: connect with somebody that you just to make a pen pal.
Speaker 1: Were you talking to strangers there? For sure? Listen, I
Speaker 1: was a strange I know, but I didn't get that
Speaker 1: at the time. I was just like, oh, this is cool,
Speaker 1: like an instant message, I can just make a pen
Speaker 1: pal country on the other side of the world that
Speaker 1: needed you to funnel some money for them. Oh god,
Speaker 1: I know right now. Luckily I was smart enough kid
Speaker 1: not to fall or anything like that. But I printed
Speaker 1: out is instant message conversations with like certain boys that
Speaker 1: I liked because it was like, heck, yeah, you wanted
Speaker 1: to save it. Yeah. Jimmy Caine it's up Jimmy Caine. Um.
Speaker 1: We had this like fight where he was like you've changed,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you've changed, You're mean, blah blah, and
Speaker 1: then it was like, cool, you want to kiss later? Um,
Speaker 1: And I loved that conversation. It's still tucked in a journal,
Speaker 1: like in my desk right now. Oh yeah. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's a tangent. However, what I love is that Peyton
Speaker 1: signed off of Instant Messenger but left at the web
Speaker 1: cam on so he could still see her drawing. But
Speaker 1: she was like, this conversation is done. I have to
Speaker 1: stop talking to you. It's actually really funny because I
Speaker 1: was expecting at the moment of sign off and then
Speaker 1: when it cuts to Lucas being so wounded because the
Speaker 1: sign off is a deep cut, I thought the next
Speaker 1: shot would be Payton like throwing a black hoodie over
Speaker 1: the computer, and she didn't like just left that. I
Speaker 1: was like, that's really a choice. She's cruel in that way,
Speaker 1: you know, And maybe that's what he's attracted to, is
Speaker 1: that she's unintentionally cruel. So it feels like a challenge.
Speaker 1: You know. Brooke is so just nice available. Yeah, Paint's
Speaker 1: a dick. Sorry, you know it's damage. What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? Yeah, I really I get it. He really
Speaker 1: is waffling. But you're right, you nailed it that he's
Speaker 1: going back and forth between needing to needing to be
Speaker 1: with the girl that feels like she loves him. The
Speaker 1: love is easy, it's available, it's there, and he's just
Speaker 1: craving love from a praiseworthy source. And brook is so
Speaker 1: popular and so sweet and liked, and that I think
Speaker 1: really draws him in and then going back to feeling
Speaker 1: like he wants to feel like he's worthy, are capable
Speaker 1: of helping and being a hero and fixing someone. I
Speaker 1: almost wonder if that because Nathan has kind of always
Speaker 1: been the male version of Brooke, right, He's like the
Speaker 1: most popular kid, He's the captain of the team. She's
Speaker 1: the captain of the chur squad. Whatever. I wonder if
Speaker 1: in a way Lucas wanting Brooks approval is it's almost
Speaker 1: like she says by being with him, she says, you're worthy,
Speaker 1: And by by being with Hayden, he gets to feel
Speaker 1: like he doesn't need to prove that he's worthy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like like Brooke approves of him,
Speaker 1: and that makes him feel like he's popular enough. But
Speaker 1: then to be with Peyton, it's like he just is.
Speaker 1: And then he gets to choose. He gets to be
Speaker 1: the hero, he gets to be the Nathan or the
Speaker 1: brook in a way, He's got more control in the
Speaker 1: Peyton situation for sure. Um, I thought you were going
Speaker 1: to go in the direction of Haley just cleaned up
Speaker 1: Nathan's ass, right, And since they've done everything together their
Speaker 1: whole lives, is he unintentionally mirroring Haley by being with Broke?
Speaker 1: Is it like, oh, we've done everything together, like we're
Speaker 1: going to rehab popular kids now, Okay, I guess so interesting.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. See what you started Interamn, No, listen, this
Speaker 1: is this is what I really want to get into
Speaker 1: because I love the psychology of of two thousand three.
Speaker 1: The end point we wanted to get to with Haley
Speaker 1: in this episode of Haley singing is a freaking delight.
Speaker 1: I love that. But they were like, how do we
Speaker 1: show that Haley wants to try new things? I know
Speaker 1: we're going to dress her up real sexy, straighten her
Speaker 1: straighten her hair. Yes, we were joking you guys watching
Speaker 1: the episode because both me and Hillary wear turtle likes
Speaker 1: at different points. Enjoy you're in that cute like um
Speaker 1: wrap top neck and we were like, Haley's the last
Speaker 1: color post just hitting in this episode. Yeah, was that
Speaker 1: on the page or had you like asked for that?
Speaker 1: What was the story? Was what part on the page?
Speaker 1: Part of it getting a sex year wardrobe and the
Speaker 1: different hair and that stuff. No, I don't think I
Speaker 1: did ask for it. I think that was that was
Speaker 1: their way of kind of giving Haley a reason to
Speaker 1: to can't come out of her shell a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean it was a little on the nose. I
Speaker 1: feel like I want to try new things, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, snowboarding or singing, just like a little on
Speaker 1: the nose. I feel like I feel like we could
Speaker 1: have drawn that out a little bit more, maybe over
Speaker 1: a couple episodes, but you know, whatever, it was what
Speaker 1: it was, and um, I'm happy that I got to
Speaker 1: do that. It was a great song and Sarah my
Speaker 1: blocking song. I loved that album. It was a little low.
Speaker 1: I wish I had I had brought the key up
Speaker 1: a little bit. Did you pick that song? No, they
Speaker 1: picked they well, they gave me a couple of options.
Speaker 1: They gave me a c D. Somebody gave me a
Speaker 1: c D in the production office. It was probably Joe
Speaker 1: handed me a c D and he was like, pick
Speaker 1: one of these songs. So I joy pick a song
Speaker 1: because call me Tomorrow. Um. Yeah, I went down the
Speaker 1: list and that was one of the ones I liked
Speaker 1: and it seemed like it was in my register, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I picked it. In I had fun. I played the piano,
Speaker 1: so I learned basically we had to play it, and
Speaker 1: I was really nervous. I was nervous too, saying in
Speaker 1: front of everyone, and I thought it was cool. I
Speaker 1: don't know it was cool. I mean in my mind,
Speaker 1: you sang the whole show. So it's crazy to me
Speaker 1: that there was ever a before time. And so watching
Speaker 1: it like begin is exciting and it feels cool because
Speaker 1: it was after the mid season finale, like this is
Speaker 1: when we've come back for the second half of season one,
Speaker 1: you know, after January, we kind of know what's going on,
Speaker 1: and it was so exciting because we all knew you
Speaker 1: saying we knew you came from musical theater and and
Speaker 1: to begin seeing it in the show. It's funny because
Speaker 1: having heard you sing now for I mean, my god,
Speaker 1: almost twenty years You're right, I was struck. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's like low and quiet, and I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you if it was a choice for you
Speaker 1: to drop a little and and start quietly because Hailey
Speaker 1: was scared because it was her first time. I would
Speaker 1: love to tell you that that's the answer, because people
Speaker 1: would love that juicy little detail. But it's totally not.
Speaker 1: I just picked the rocky, but it weren't. Maybe you
Speaker 1: did it subconsciously because you have a bold like you
Speaker 1: can belt like almost no one I know, and for
Speaker 1: you to kind of hold it back, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's playing this sweet little baby. It was nervous for sure,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think opening up as the song
Speaker 1: went on, it was fun. I also don't love my
Speaker 1: voice in a recording studio, and I'm better live, um
Speaker 1: and I always have been, and thanks well, I just
Speaker 1: I feel like I've always felt like I missed my
Speaker 1: calling and just being in musical theater for my whole
Speaker 1: life because I'm I just feel like my voice sounds
Speaker 1: better live. And so every time we would do this show,
Speaker 1: I would always have to go in the studio and
Speaker 1: record something and then lip sync, in which I'm kind
Speaker 1: of terrible at doing. I'm pretty bad lip syncing. I
Speaker 1: don't know anyone. And then and then they sink it
Speaker 1: up on a on the show and it still happens
Speaker 1: in movies to where they sink it up and it's
Speaker 1: like just a millisecond off, and I don't understand why
Speaker 1: they do that, but I wish we had done and
Speaker 1: I hope one day I still get the chance to
Speaker 1: do a musical movie where you can actually sing, like
Speaker 1: what they did in Late Or I just saw Evan Hanson.
Speaker 1: I think they did a lot of it there too,
Speaker 1: where you're you're just actually singing on the set and
Speaker 1: you've got an earpiece in with the music playing, and you're,
Speaker 1: you know, singing live, and that's the recording they use.
Speaker 1: Because I think that sounds great. But wow, I'm on
Speaker 1: a tangent. Sorry, no, you're not all right. We're gonna
Speaker 1: put out a call to action right now. Joy doesn't
Speaker 1: know I'm going to do this. Um, I want someone
Speaker 1: to start an internet petition that means all of you
Speaker 1: for Joy to star in Waitress on Broadway. Yes, my
Speaker 1: my my business partner at Samuel Sweet Shops. One of
Speaker 1: the producers. His wife Adrian Shelley wrote and directed the movie.
Speaker 1: And I want Joy to be the lead in that
Speaker 1: show so freaking bad, And I know I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one, So somebody started petition. Y'all passed that thing
Speaker 1: around because to go see my girlfriend on Broadway. I
Speaker 1: love that you just said that, because the whole time
Speaker 1: you were saying that, Joy, I was like, but what's
Speaker 1: the Broadway show you want to do? That my question?
Speaker 1: But I liked that Hillary's like, this is the one
Speaker 1: you know, so in Oh, that sounds amazing. Yes. Do
Speaker 1: you remember when we all went and so Wicked? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was right around this time. It
Speaker 1: was when we were going back and forth for MTV
Speaker 1: and we all went and I don't even remember what
Speaker 1: theater it was. That it was the original cast, it
Speaker 1: was Christian channowit and it wasn't just the three of us.
Speaker 1: We had James, we had Yeah, we had a lot
Speaker 1: of cast members. Everybody went and we had those center orchestras.
Speaker 1: Those seats were unbelievable, amazing. I saw Wicked in San
Speaker 1: Francisco before they had come to Broadway, because I had
Speaker 1: read the book and heard they were making a musical
Speaker 1: out of it. I was so exacted. I was a
Speaker 1: huge fan of the book, um and Gregory McGuire's previous books,
Speaker 1: Politically Correct Bedtime Stories, which is hysterical if you've never
Speaker 1: read it. UM and I fell in love with Wicked.
Speaker 1: Then I heard they were making a Broadway show, so
Speaker 1: I followed it, and then uh, I went to San
Speaker 1: Francisco to see this preview with Christian Channo, with Nadina
Speaker 1: and cell And when I got there the performance, Kristen
Speaker 1: had been in a like a fender bender or some
Speaker 1: kind of car accident where she was hurt, and she
Speaker 1: was wearing a neck brace as and she had a
Speaker 1: grime stone choker around the brace. I mean the scene
Speaker 1: where she's like supposed to, you know, doing she's popular,
Speaker 1: and she's like yeah, tastas. She's like shaking her hair
Speaker 1: and she's her whole body is just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: The audience was dying the fact that she worked in
Speaker 1: this this neck brace into the character and just didn't didn't.
Speaker 1: She wasn't like, no, I'm going to stay home and
Speaker 1: not work. I'm like, she showed us. She showed up
Speaker 1: and performed even in this neck brace as Glinda and
Speaker 1: we were. I mean, she is such a pro man,
Speaker 1: you guys. I want to admit something to Gus and
Speaker 1: I live in a Broadway radio when we drive to school,
Speaker 1: when we drive to the city all the time, as
Speaker 1: to Maria, and when they play UM changed for good, Like,
Speaker 1: I think about YouTube every time I hear that song
Speaker 1: and I cry, and I've taken video of it. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna send this to them, and then
Speaker 1: I chicken out because I'm like, no, I'm being like
Speaker 1: two sentimental. I'm being too Like when they sing that duet,
Speaker 1: I think about the group of us like taking the
Speaker 1: escalator into the theater, you know, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: right there in the middle of Times Square, and so
Speaker 1: you take this escalator, and I just think about all
Speaker 1: of us being so tentative with each other in that
Speaker 1: first season and where we're at now, and it makes
Speaker 1: me we like I feel. I remember that when we
Speaker 1: were in Wilmington's when the show was so popular, and
Speaker 1: we had the soundtrack in our cars, and all three
Speaker 1: of us would sing to each other. We would sing
Speaker 1: that loathing an adult and loathing, we remember, and Sophia,
Speaker 1: we would sing popular in the Car's popular? That was
Speaker 1: it was so good that that was such a good show. Joy,
Speaker 1: you need to do a show that's a big, huge nodah.
Speaker 1: Joy needs to do a show. And I almost feel
Speaker 1: like at some point, not necessarily next because we still
Speaker 1: have a lot of our own cast mates to bring in,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we have nine seasons of this show to watch.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe at some point we should do
Speaker 1: a somber party that's Wicked themed. Let's invite Kristen, Let's
Speaker 1: invite a Dina like, why not? They are drama queens?
Speaker 1: Are they ever the James? Oh my god? Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: should we start talking about our show again. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to the kind of genesis of Joy singing in
Speaker 1: the show. Um, Joy, I've heard you tell the story
Speaker 1: about how they figured out you were a singer at
Speaker 1: like conventions, But for the you know, three thousand other
Speaker 1: people that haven't been to one of our conventions that
Speaker 1: listen to these podcasts, how did how did they figure
Speaker 1: that was your button to push? Anyone who spends longer
Speaker 1: than a day with me will realize that I sing unconsciously,
Speaker 1: like I will walk around singing. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: comfort for me, and I just do it. I think
Speaker 1: growing up as an only child, there was just some
Speaker 1: kind of I feel like there's another person there. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's why I talked to myself so much. Hey, we're
Speaker 1: finding out all kinds of interesting look at us, So
Speaker 1: I sing to myself. It's like having a little radio
Speaker 1: with me and I. You know, it's just a little
Speaker 1: habit that I have. And when we were filming one
Speaker 1: of the scenes on the rooftop, the golf cart golf
Speaker 1: course rooftop, it was on the top of a parking deck,
Speaker 1: and uh so I would go down on the second levels.
Speaker 1: I'm also because I'm an introvert, it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to stay on set with everyone all day long. And
Speaker 1: I'll be on set, but then I tend to get
Speaker 1: really overwhelmed by all the people and I need to
Speaker 1: go find someplace to be alone, which often drives our
Speaker 1: p a s and asans crazy because they're like, where
Speaker 1: the hell we got eyes on Joy? We got eyes
Speaker 1: on Joy, So we don't know where Joy is. If
Speaker 1: there's a piano in the building, she's at the piano.
Speaker 1: If there's a craft table near the building, she's at
Speaker 1: the craft table. Safe space. And if there's neither of
Speaker 1: those things, good luck. She's under a desk somewhere, she's
Speaker 1: in a corner, look at the corners. I just saw
Speaker 1: you post a video in a treehouse on your last
Speaker 1: movie Set's right. I found a tree house perfect way off.
Speaker 1: I've learned now to communicate. This is where I'll be. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I was. I was in the in the
Speaker 1: Gulf Course parking deck set, and I went down to
Speaker 1: a lower level and the acoustics are great in parking decks.
Speaker 1: If you're a singer, you know this, and so I
Speaker 1: just started singing. I was probably singing Wicked or some
Speaker 1: great show that was out. Um and uh I E
Speaker 1: don't get me stored and every story okay, okay, okay. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so we parking deck, parking deck, parking deck. So we're
Speaker 1: in the parking deck and uh, Mark and some other
Speaker 1: people are driving by on their little golf carts and
Speaker 1: they pull up and um uh hear me singing and um.
Speaker 1: And then he asked me when I was on set.
Speaker 1: He was like, was that was that? Was you singing? Huh?
Speaker 1: I said yeah. He's like, do you want to sing
Speaker 1: on the show? And I was like, uh, yeah, I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess so sure, and me being stupid, I was
Speaker 1: so stupid and like, is it going to confuse people?
Speaker 1: Like maybe I should have two separate careers, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to like bring my singing
Speaker 1: into Hollywood, but I'm still a New Yorker and like
Speaker 1: I feel like a music the theater person and so
Speaker 1: such an ebo, you know, artist. So I didn't embrace
Speaker 1: it as much as I wish I had. But um,
Speaker 1: I was glad to do it, and we had fun
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm glad that they wrote that in and
Speaker 1: it became an interesting thing for Haley as obviously as
Speaker 1: we went down the line, I got to go on
Speaker 1: tour and um, write my own stuff and have it
Speaker 1: on iTunes and it was cool. It's really cool, and
Speaker 1: I got a recording contract with the Records. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of cool stuff came from that. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was neat. It makes me wonder what they would
Speaker 1: have done with Haley if the singing thing wasn't there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, integral to who she is totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really don't know. That would be interesting to find out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of feel like they didn't really
Speaker 1: know what to do with Haley, especially watching these last
Speaker 1: few episodes. I mean, she was like the Whitey of
Speaker 1: the kids. She chopped in and would like give advice
Speaker 1: one of us who wasn't a complete just mess. I
Speaker 1: Haley is my favorite character watching Everything back because she
Speaker 1: is what I want girls to be, Like the boundaries,
Speaker 1: you know, this the security that I think when we
Speaker 1: were doing the show, I didn't necessarily clock that because
Speaker 1: we weren't having a conversation about like how girls protect
Speaker 1: themselves and how you move throughout the world in a
Speaker 1: way that is open but not you know, you're not
Speaker 1: pray for people to like pick off. Haley really embodies that.
Speaker 1: Like if George goes the Haley root, I'm good with it.
Speaker 1: That's good stuff. Yeah, man, um, we want to talk
Speaker 1: about the Karen Jake connection because that so much. I
Speaker 1: loved seeing her light up when he said she's my
Speaker 1: daughter and recognizing a kindred spirit and another kid that
Speaker 1: she could help out wrote my heart and and and
Speaker 1: It's interesting what Moira in that scene as Karen was
Speaker 1: able to convey she didn't say a word, but the
Speaker 1: way she reacted and then as he was talking, made
Speaker 1: a face and they stayed on her, like the editors
Speaker 1: stayed with her, and I almost felt like I could
Speaker 1: hear her inner dialogue of oh, you're a single parent too.
Speaker 1: It was so pure the way she saw him, and
Speaker 1: then the crib at the end. So Paul was saying,
Speaker 1: when Paul was on our show last week, and he
Speaker 1: was saying, what's great about Moira? She's always thinking? And
Speaker 1: that's so interesting to cut to. As an editor, you
Speaker 1: want to cut to the person that's thinking, whether they're
Speaker 1: talking and thinking or just sitting there listening and thinking.
Speaker 1: And that's when Moira doest. That's perfect example. I liked.
Speaker 1: You know, if the idea that Karen has moved through
Speaker 1: this town, if this cloak of shame, you know, she's
Speaker 1: like the scarlet letter in town. Hmm. If the freedom
Speaker 1: that comes with knowing you're not the only one is
Speaker 1: really helpful. We went through that with the whole me
Speaker 1: too thing. It's like, wait, I'm not the problem, I'm
Speaker 1: not the only one. And so it would be interesting
Speaker 1: if it were like a high school girl that Karen
Speaker 1: we're connecting with, like cool story, but the fact that
Speaker 1: it's a boy that she's already recognized, like, this is
Speaker 1: a really good kid. I'm hiring him because I think
Speaker 1: he's a good kid. He's nice to my son, he's
Speaker 1: good on the basketball team, he's responsible, and oh my god,
Speaker 1: he did the same thing I did for an adult
Speaker 1: to get validation from a kid. Is I mean, that's cool.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if there's a layer deeper as well.
Speaker 1: It just strikes me as you're saying this hill because
Speaker 1: the story, the stereotypical story we always hear, is that
Speaker 1: a young girl gets pregnant and then gets dumped. And
Speaker 1: here is a young boy somewhere his girlfriend had a baby,
Speaker 1: but he's the dad. He stayed. I wonder if there's
Speaker 1: something underneath it, something unconscious or subconscious that makes Karen
Speaker 1: love him even more as a as an upstanding young
Speaker 1: man because he chose to stay and do the work. Baby.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves Jake, even like George Clooney, damnite Ryan away
Speaker 1: from us for a great job. Um okay, Brian, sorry,
Speaker 1: Brian Greenberg, Jake, God, you call him whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call him. I can't. He makes everybody flustered, Ladies
Speaker 1: seeing what is his name? Cute boy with the banks
Speaker 1: with the banks if anyone wants to message his wife
Speaker 1: Jamie and tell her how much we love her too.
Speaker 1: She is the cool just like a really cool wife,
Speaker 1: and he's certainly got one. Um. But there was no
Speaker 1: shortage of greenbird crushes back in the day, for sure.
Speaker 1: It's really fun though, when you when you can giggle
Speaker 1: with your friend about how much everyone was in love
Speaker 1: with him as a kid, and then go, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you grew up and now we're all kind of in
Speaker 1: love with your wife. Yeah, well done, dude, done, Jake.
Speaker 1: Jake calls Karen ms Rowe and then she says, Karen
Speaker 1: call me Karen please, and I have this. It's kind
Speaker 1: of an off topic, off topic question, but did you
Speaker 1: guys grow up calling adults Mr. And their last name,
Speaker 1: mrs and their last name or just their first name?
Speaker 1: So it was like, you know too, Mr Kevin or
Speaker 1: this was surely you know, like Ms. Laurie, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I guess in Texas I was it was always the
Speaker 1: last name and maybe that was just the circle, but
Speaker 1: in New Jersey it was definitely always the last name. Oh,
Speaker 1: Mr and Mr and Mrs you know, Jordan's or whatever
Speaker 1: it was. You just never said your first name. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, it would be so disrespectful. But here and
Speaker 1: now in California, and maybe it's a West Coast thing, Sophia.
Speaker 1: Don't know how you grew up, but you're it's Maria
Speaker 1: has two friends that call me miss Lens, and everybody
Speaker 1: else calls me miss Joy, but I won't. I don't.
Speaker 1: She has one friend that calls me Joy and I
Speaker 1: but but I've known her since they she was in
Speaker 1: kindergarten and I don't know. It doesn't bother me. It's
Speaker 1: it's like by their first name. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I remember, I will say. And maybe it's because you know,
Speaker 1: my parents are from you know, the East coast in Canada.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was very you know, Mr,
Speaker 1: Mrs ms last name. But I had a friend in
Speaker 1: high school whose parents insisted on being called by their
Speaker 1: first name, and their kids called them by their first names.
Speaker 1: Their kids that I went to school with didn't even
Speaker 1: call them mom and dad. It was a first name.
Speaker 1: So it was like it was more business family quirk. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They were like, you, I'll drive you to school. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: So it's funny because no, I didn't. I didn't really
Speaker 1: ever do that. But I do see more of that
Speaker 1: trend that you're talking about, Joy, where you know friends kids,
Speaker 1: would you know they'll call me miss Sophia. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's precious it. I feel like an elementary
Speaker 1: school teacher. I love it. Yeah, yeah, it's sweet. I
Speaker 1: don't like the there's only one girl that I allow
Speaker 1: her to call me Joy, and it still irks me
Speaker 1: a little bit much. This little girl. I love her
Speaker 1: so much, though, and I feel like it's at this
Speaker 1: point it would be so strange to ask her to
Speaker 1: be more formal with me. So I'm just like, it's fine, whatever,
Speaker 1: I love you. Class can't rewrap at present. Like when
Speaker 1: we were growing up to the other thing that you
Speaker 1: did was you called people aunt an uncle even though
Speaker 1: they weren't your aunt and uncle. Like neighbors were always like,
Speaker 1: you know, an uncle. Um, yeah, I don't know. You
Speaker 1: gotta call grown ups grown ups. I was the needy
Speaker 1: kid that called other people's parents like mom and dad,
Speaker 1: just to be funny. I'd be like, Dad, I'm home,
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, oh, Kimmy Gibbler's here, Like, let's
Speaker 1: get her out of here. I thought it was strange
Speaker 1: that that she was specifically asking him to call her Karen,
Speaker 1: but maybe somebody because he's at and dad. She's like,
Speaker 1: how old are you, Jake. She's like, it turns out
Speaker 1: I'm no longer in love with Keith, and I'm on
Speaker 1: the market. I want you to think of me as
Speaker 1: miss Karen. I just want you to think of me
Speaker 1: as Karen. I feel like if Greenberg would have stuck
Speaker 1: around the show, they would have gone that route with him.
Speaker 1: I would not have been surprised. I step of the
Speaker 1: teacher would have loved it. Yeah. You know what's interesting though,
Speaker 1: I as comical as it is, there is this rift.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all now fantasizing about Karen and Jake.
Speaker 1: It's fine, deserves an asterisk because don't forget. You know,
Speaker 1: Brian Greenberg was twenty three. This is not an actual
Speaker 1: high school kid, because you know someone will write that comment. Um,
Speaker 1: but but we do. We have this big rift with
Speaker 1: Karen and Keith and god, that's scene at the end.
Speaker 1: I forgot about this. You know, none of us were
Speaker 1: in it, so it's not like we would remember filming it.
Speaker 1: When Keith is trying to get a bank loan and
Speaker 1: it's it's the cycle of what keeps people in situations
Speaker 1: of financial insecurity that we as a society are really having.
Speaker 1: Now we understand it. We have the transparency, we can
Speaker 1: analyze the data. You weren't really doing this then and
Speaker 1: and watching it now really like, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 1: it just broke my heart seeing that woman, you know,
Speaker 1: the actress hired to play the gal at the bank
Speaker 1: who says, well, your monthly earnings are not that high,
Speaker 1: and what your mortgage would be doesn't really She essentially said,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make us feel secure to give you a
Speaker 1: loan and you just withdrew your life savings. And he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I had to pay medical bills. My my nephew
Speaker 1: was in an accident, and she's kind of like sorry.
Speaker 1: And so many people in our country go through this
Speaker 1: and go through versions of this, and and like the
Speaker 1: numbers out there, you know, the staff that gets thrown
Speaker 1: around a lot now is that the average American is
Speaker 1: a four hundred dollar emergency away from going bankrupt or
Speaker 1: becoming homeless. We just saw that during the pandemic. You know,
Speaker 1: the despair that that comes after rejection, like that impacts
Speaker 1: so much of your life. And we're you know we
Speaker 1: know what's coming up for Keith a little bit. We
Speaker 1: know that he will spiral, and it's sad to watch
Speaker 1: the beginning stages of that. It's not fun. And when
Speaker 1: someone who does have a wonderful work ethic and he
Speaker 1: does just try to show up and do their best
Speaker 1: doesn't get the help that they really need and honestly
Speaker 1: would absolutely deserve. Like, if Keith got that loan, he
Speaker 1: would prove that he deserved it. And would he Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe not because it's a TV show and
Speaker 1: writers love drama, so they might have torpedoed him anyway.
Speaker 1: But I realized that right now I'm really needing to
Speaker 1: Keith as a real person, and I'm like, he absolutely
Speaker 1: want to pay them bad guys. I don't know. Keith
Speaker 1: strikes me as a kind of guy who's not great
Speaker 1: with money and would have like made some bad choices
Speaker 1: because he seems like he's constantly running into whatever his
Speaker 1: demons are that create problems in his life where he
Speaker 1: can't ever quite get on top of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a pattern established with him. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did definitely put that. They put that hat on him.
Speaker 1: That was sort of the character which is super real.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of people who don't know
Speaker 1: how to handle money because they're just afraid of it,
Speaker 1: especially like talk about dissecting a character. You look at
Speaker 1: a guy like him who I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what his story was growing up with with Dan, which actually, Hi, Georgie,
Speaker 1: you guys, George has entered the chat. Do you want
Speaker 1: to say hi to everybody here? Say hey girls, Hi gas, Okay,
Speaker 1: hi lady. Look at this mop of likewies curl. She's
Speaker 1: got joy hair. She's got like the big curly joy hair.
Speaker 1: Look about break smile to hi baby. Are you gonna
Speaker 1: be on a TV show? Oh? Yeah? I miss it
Speaker 1: when their voice, the voices, they're like this. Honestly, she'll
Speaker 1: make herself we call it her Clint Eastwood stare. She'll
Speaker 1: just sit in front of the mirror and make herself
Speaker 1: cry and like squint at herself. And I'm like, girl,
Speaker 1: get that one right. I remember forget talking about how
Speaker 1: hard it was to get two tears on set Enjoy.
Speaker 1: You were like, well, don't you just do this? And
Speaker 1: you like showed me this thing and you just held
Speaker 1: your eyes and then you just had these big tears
Speaker 1: dripping down your face. And I was like, oh, you dude,
Speaker 1: are you serious? And you were just like, oh, you
Speaker 1: have to learn this, And I was like, how who
Speaker 1: are you your magician? So hey, maybe do you think
Speaker 1: you sat in front of the mirror like George and
Speaker 1: practice when you were a little wee. No, I couldn't cry.
Speaker 1: I couldn't cry my like almost my entire adolescence in
Speaker 1: teenage years and the first two years I was, the
Speaker 1: first year and a half I was on the soap,
Speaker 1: I absolutely could not mustard tears. It was like I
Speaker 1: had a huge emotional block. Um I would I would shove.
Speaker 1: I spent so many years shoving tears down when I
Speaker 1: was in high school and when I was in middle
Speaker 1: school because I just didn't want it. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be tough. I didn't want anybody to ever see me cry.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I would let it go if I was totally
Speaker 1: alone and nobody was around, but otherwise I just got
Speaker 1: really good at like feeling the emotions come up to
Speaker 1: about my throat and using my entire body to just
Speaker 1: shove it all the way back down. And No, it
Speaker 1: was terrible. And then when I went to act and
Speaker 1: I was I was trying to perform and cry and
Speaker 1: do a scene where I was sad or auditionalary thing.
Speaker 1: I just could never. I could never cry. I couldn't
Speaker 1: do it even when I was I did that Stephen
Speaker 1: King movie when I was god joy, I was so jealous.
Speaker 1: So there was a scene at the dinner table. I
Speaker 1: was supposed to cry and I couldn't do it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, can can we just have somebody stick
Speaker 1: a pin in my foot under the table while I'm
Speaker 1: doing this scene so that I can It'll make me
Speaker 1: tear up? And they did. They actually was like no,
Speaker 1: like stick me in the foot with the pan, like
Speaker 1: stick me and they wouldn't do it like this method. Um,
Speaker 1: we cannot end without talking about Sophia crying in the
Speaker 1: mall because you did so good, okay, crying in the
Speaker 1: mall and then chewing Peyton's asked at the end of
Speaker 1: the episode Powerhouse Performances, Babe, that mall. We all kind
Speaker 1: of remembered that mall as being a not fun day
Speaker 1: at work. Oh, it was so uncomfortable. What was your side?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Oh gosh, um, you pointed, and I was like,
Speaker 1: which one? Oh yeah? On my computer screen you're there. I, Um,
Speaker 1: I just remember I was actually still so nervous because
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know how to cry unless
Speaker 1: I'm really upset, so so the sort of like god,
Speaker 1: I just think about it. I'm like, what do we
Speaker 1: do for a living? Just like emotionally manipulate ourselves anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: but I I was really struggling and I have a
Speaker 1: hard time, which I really eyes makes my choice of
Speaker 1: a job super weird. I don't love to be looked at,
Speaker 1: especially by strangers. It like it is the thing that
Speaker 1: creates a lot of social anxiety in me. And I
Speaker 1: remember that day because I had to sit on that
Speaker 1: bench in one of the hallways of the mall in
Speaker 1: Wilmington's and you guys approached from the rotunda where the
Speaker 1: carousel was, and you like came down towards me, you know,
Speaker 1: down the hallway and you guys were going to walk up,
Speaker 1: and it's the whole you know, Brooks crying about Lucas
Speaker 1: breaking up with her. Hailey realizes that Lucas and Peyton
Speaker 1: haven't told Brooke, and she's pissed. Peyton knows she's caught.
Speaker 1: It's this, It is a true triangle moment. But when
Speaker 1: the cameras were pointed at me and you guys were
Speaker 1: on the other side, they couldn't close the mall. They
Speaker 1: didn't like close the hallways. So by the time we
Speaker 1: got to my coverage, hundreds of people were behind you guys,
Speaker 1: just like looking and reaching and pointing and taking pick
Speaker 1: shures and and I was like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I can do this because everybody had called their friends
Speaker 1: by by that time. Down here, they're filming one. And
Speaker 1: it's not that people aren't nice, it's it's just weird
Speaker 1: to be looked at like a zoo animal. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: there was no why was there nobody being like like
Speaker 1: corralling the crowd. We didn't have a lock up. It
Speaker 1: was season one, and they wanted it to be a
Speaker 1: scene because they were trying to like convince the network
Speaker 1: that we were a hit, you know, like that was
Speaker 1: on purpose. Yeah, because normally they would lock off a hallway,
Speaker 1: they would put up some barriers so we could all
Speaker 1: work in private, and they didn't do that. I think
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, sending pictures back to l
Speaker 1: A of like, look how many people showed up? And
Speaker 1: and I remember years later, you know how nice it
Speaker 1: would be when we all were working at Karen's and
Speaker 1: everybody was super cool. I will say, our fans are
Speaker 1: generally so respectful. People would line up across the street.
Speaker 1: We could go over at lunch and take photos and
Speaker 1: kiss babies and say, hey, this was just so close
Speaker 1: and we were so I mean, this was my first job,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know what I was doing, and I
Speaker 1: was just so scared and the way it felt to
Speaker 1: have hundreds of faces staring. I couldn't get there. Oh
Speaker 1: you did, though eventually I did, and and I will say,
Speaker 1: it's it's so interesting to realize how much we all
Speaker 1: love each other's characters but also our own. Like God,
Speaker 1: I go hard in the paint for Brooke Davis, and
Speaker 1: I was just like looking at this little baby girl
Speaker 1: like sobbing, and I'm like, oh, I feel so bad
Speaker 1: for her. She just doesn't know. It was so good,
Speaker 1: such a good scene. It was so raw and real
Speaker 1: and vulnerable. And then you know the way you turned
Speaker 1: it around when you came into Peyton's room, showed up
Speaker 1: unannounced and just walked in because this girl who lives
Speaker 1: alone never locks her door, and you walked in her
Speaker 1: bedroom and just just you just gave it to her
Speaker 1: and you knew the whole time too. That's what was
Speaker 1: so interesting. You didn't let her have at the hospital
Speaker 1: held onto it for like a day or two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why didn't Peyton wait for Brooke to like drive her
Speaker 1: from the hospital, You know what I mean? Bolt, That
Speaker 1: was so rude. What's interesting to me though, is because
Speaker 1: remember in the beginning when when there's the scene with
Speaker 1: with you guys in the bedroom where Peyton and Lucas
Speaker 1: are in the bedroom and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, this brook find out
Speaker 1: him like I didn't remember. I wasn't sure. And when
Speaker 1: she goes in to check on Lucas and comes out
Speaker 1: and it's pissed. Yeah, I was like, yeah, she's so pissed.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she turned around and saw that computer,
Speaker 1: the computers in the shop when she walks in there
Speaker 1: and turns around, and I was like, it's the webcamp
Speaker 1: and I think there's something really interesting. I'm realizing now
Speaker 1: this was a great job done by the writers because
Speaker 1: Peyton has said to Lucas, I'm not going to do this,
Speaker 1: like this is my history with my best friend since
Speaker 1: I was nine, and he says that kind of thing
Speaker 1: where he's like, oh, you know, we're not going to
Speaker 1: betray her anymore than we have and we're just like
Speaker 1: hold the line and again writing everybody relaxed. But the
Speaker 1: writer just did a thing where they really leaned into
Speaker 1: the history of these two girls, which I think informed
Speaker 1: the rage that Brooke comes in the room with because
Speaker 1: she doesn't go to Lucas and say, Golf, I can't
Speaker 1: believe you hooked up with my best friend. She's like,
Speaker 1: you're my best friend and you did this thing behind
Speaker 1: my back, and like you didn't tell me, and that's
Speaker 1: what changes everything. And it's like, oh god, because how
Speaker 1: hard would it be to tell your best friend that
Speaker 1: you're in love with their boyfriends? But to Brook, she's like,
Speaker 1: there's a right and there's a wrong and this was wrong,
Speaker 1: and oh man, I had to really bring I had
Speaker 1: to bring a lot of fun, pent up anger into
Speaker 1: that scene and it was boiling. I have a question
Speaker 1: about Peyton's hair because you have so no listen, you
Speaker 1: have beautiful hair, You've big, beautiful girls. And I we
Speaker 1: saw them for sure in the pilot and like several
Speaker 1: times throughout the first few episodes, and I know there
Speaker 1: was a lot with humidity, but I was just wondering
Speaker 1: what the like it's it changed so much. It was
Speaker 1: like I loved the curls in the beginning, and sometimes
Speaker 1: your natural curl showed up and then sometimes they were
Speaker 1: um crafted curls, and I just wasn't sure. I never asked,
Speaker 1: and I was, I don't know. Just encourage me to ask. You.
Speaker 1: Peyton's hair goes on the journey, you guys. Uh, this
Speaker 1: whole game series. Peyton's hair is a journey. And what
Speaker 1: I love is that Miley Cyrus has that like bleach
Speaker 1: blond mullet right now and I'm like, it's season two.
Speaker 1: Invalidates me. No, So the humidity was a big deal.
Speaker 1: And then doing my hair every single day, every single scene.
Speaker 1: You know what you didn't see behind the scenes is
Speaker 1: there was like a beautane curling iron that in order
Speaker 1: for my hair to match, they would have to use
Speaker 1: that bututane curling iron to wrap it after every single setup.
Speaker 1: But why didn't they just use your natural curl? Because
Speaker 1: it quit? It quit. They would like you'd put gel
Speaker 1: in it, or you'd put stuff in it to get
Speaker 1: it to scrunch up. We didn't have all the nice
Speaker 1: serums and things that we have now. Back then it
Speaker 1: was like l A looks gel, you know, and girl,
Speaker 1: come on, I'm o g um. It would suck up
Speaker 1: the humidity straight now and then they'd wrap it and
Speaker 1: you know, it just started falling out in clumps. Also. God,
Speaker 1: I was a disaster. Guys. My hair was just like
Speaker 1: falling out in clumps. Uh, which is fine. You know,
Speaker 1: you always looked beautiful and you it was just always
Speaker 1: so it was like I never quite knew what I
Speaker 1: what I was going to see with your hair, like
Speaker 1: which hairstyle it was going to be. And I liked
Speaker 1: those crafted curls. I liked your natural curl. I liked
Speaker 1: your cuts. I thought it always you always had something
Speaker 1: really cooling. I like that short Bob was my favorite.
Speaker 1: That was a good one. Yeah, it was cute. I
Speaker 1: did a Bob once. It wasn't good for me. I
Speaker 1: think I liked your bob so much. And then Victoria
Speaker 1: Beckham got a Bob and I was like Bob, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh no, I've made a mistake.
Speaker 1: I've made I've made a terrible mistake, and it's going
Speaker 1: to take four years. I thought that one I did that,
Speaker 1: Bob in season eight, I think I don't hey. Before
Speaker 1: we get into superlatives, I just want to mention that
Speaker 1: one line that made us all gasp when Lucas finds
Speaker 1: out that Dan saved him from Keith and says, what
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do with this? I feel like
Speaker 1: that is the overarching message of this whole episode, because
Speaker 1: it's either Karen saying where am I supposed to? Where
Speaker 1: am I supposed to put this Peyton with her feelings?
Speaker 1: Where am I supposed to put this Brook? You know,
Speaker 1: like everyone is kind of thinking that same thing, where
Speaker 1: am I supposed to put this? And she did a
Speaker 1: good job of delivering that line I felt about for him. There,
Speaker 1: he really did. And you know what else I liked too,
Speaker 1: is that he takes that energy of where am I
Speaker 1: supposed to put this and puts it into his retort
Speaker 1: when Lucas responds to Karen and says, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Dan does one good thing and you cut him slack,
Speaker 1: and Keith makes one mistake and you shut him out.
Speaker 1: That one that cut deep for me too, because you
Speaker 1: realize where people put their feelings and how they feel
Speaker 1: them doesn't always make sense. And it is messy. I
Speaker 1: feel that a lot in my life. Where am I
Speaker 1: supposed to put this? Where am I supposed to put this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm curious where Brook's going to put all that anger
Speaker 1: and the next episode, I'm not scared, Frankly, I'm scared,
Speaker 1: I know. And what's Haley going to say? Because Haley
Speaker 1: has been the one who's who always says what are
Speaker 1: the two of you doing? And this is the only
Speaker 1: episode where Haley realizes what's going on in that mall scene,
Speaker 1: and then we don't hear her give it to someone
Speaker 1: And I'm like, who is it coming big next week?
Speaker 1: Because I don't remember, But if it is, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: It wasn't her place. I think it was just like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm awkward. Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens
Speaker 1: next week. Let's uh spen a wheel. I want to
Speaker 1: don dune dun dune the joy. We need you to
Speaker 1: write a song for this, like just a little musical
Speaker 1: ditty for the real spit Alright, the winners who would
Speaker 1: marry a celebrity most likely to marry a celebrity. I
Speaker 1: mean that we shouldn't even do that in real life,
Speaker 1: because that's weird. Um, it's weird. Let's do which character
Speaker 1: is most likely to marry a celebrity? Rachel, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was gonna say. It's yeah, any
Speaker 1: of the boys we have a girl? Do we have
Speaker 1: a boy that is most likely to marry a celebrity?
Speaker 1: Why do I think it's Mouth because he's so freaking lovable,
Speaker 1: Because he's just the most lovable person. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know who would like, like, who's the Oh, I
Speaker 1: know who would marry celebrity? Jake Jaski and ditch us
Speaker 1: in season two and then oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 1: Wait and guys, we have cute listener questions. This week
Speaker 1: one came, I'm an anonymous fan and I kind of
Speaker 1: think Hillary, you nailed it. This person said, what is
Speaker 1: a song that will randomly play and you immediately think
Speaker 1: of a scene in One Tree Hill? I feel like
Speaker 1: it's when the Wicked soundtrack comes on and we think
Speaker 1: about each other. Yeah, I mean that that soundtrack really
Speaker 1: hits hard. Guys, those women singing at each other, like, man,
Speaker 1: we fought a whole bunch, but I love the hell
Speaker 1: out of you. Yeah, that's us. Is there is there
Speaker 1: a song that makes you think of a scene like
Speaker 1: like joy Now when you hear Sarah McLaughlin, do you
Speaker 1: think of Season one, Haley? Or is that not a thing?
Speaker 1: And maybe that's just for me? When I hear that song,
Speaker 1: I do, Um, yeah, no, I mean some of the
Speaker 1: other stuff I sang later on, I think I remember
Speaker 1: the song will randomly play and make me. I mean
Speaker 1: always the switch the Switchfoot song Dare You to Move? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that one always gets me. Um, and of
Speaker 1: course our theme song, and yeah, no, I think it's
Speaker 1: that Switchfoot song is the one that really reminds me
Speaker 1: more than anything else. Do you have one? It's not
Speaker 1: necessarily just a song, but yeah, very similarly if Darren
Speaker 1: to Move comes on. Obviously, any time I hear Gavin,
Speaker 1: I start to giggle, which is weird for people who
Speaker 1: are with me who don't necessarily, you know, when you
Speaker 1: hear a song like playing in the background and no
Speaker 1: one else has noticed it yet, so I'm just laughing
Speaker 1: and prepare what I'm like. Do you hear it? Do
Speaker 1: you hear it? Um? Yeah, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: there are certainly songs that were big deals. I mean,
Speaker 1: my god, do you guys remember when kid Cutty came
Speaker 1: and played a trick like that first record he released.
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear a Kid Cutty song without thinking about
Speaker 1: all of you. That's not what lasts for me now.
Speaker 1: But there's always been moments where certain songs have hit
Speaker 1: on our soundtrack. I would say that Tegan and Sarah
Speaker 1: song Don't Confess was one for sure. And then Peyton
Speaker 1: has a conversation with like Ellie in season three where
Speaker 1: she talks about the song she hates the most is
Speaker 1: I think Celebration because it's the song that was playing
Speaker 1: in the hospital when her mom died, and like, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's what it was. And even if it's not,
Speaker 1: any time I hear that song, I'm like, mom died,
Speaker 1: Like it ruined the song in real life? Oh my
Speaker 1: go breaky good time? Come on? No, no, yeah, ruined.
Speaker 1: We need to reclaim that song for you, Okay, next
Speaker 1: slumber party, truly we're having a dance party, all right.
Speaker 1: Join the questions for you. How much of a hand
Speaker 1: did you have in Haley's music? Did you write the
Speaker 1: songs yourself co write or was it something the network
Speaker 1: handed you and you had to put your vocals to
Speaker 1: No Ruin on songs. Yeah, some of them were good,
Speaker 1: some of them were not good. But let me let
Speaker 1: me sing him on the shot. Well, I'm curious. I
Speaker 1: kind of want to piggyback Justin's question here, because you
Speaker 1: know you said that the first time you sang and
Speaker 1: you sang the Sarah McLaughlin song. Um, they had given
Speaker 1: you a CD and they let you pick what you
Speaker 1: wanted to sing. When did it transition from Haley singing
Speaker 1: covers of popular songs to you Joy writing music for Haley?
Speaker 1: Do you remember? I think it was only that one.
Speaker 1: And then A Halo was something I wrote with Kara
Speaker 1: Dea Guarda. Um, Kara Guardy. I always forget which vowel
Speaker 1: is at the end of her name, but um, she's
Speaker 1: a wonderful songwriter. And uh, we got together and worked
Speaker 1: on on that. I mean, she really wrote that song.
Speaker 1: I think I probably was like in the room and
Speaker 1: maybe said a couple of things, but that was mostly her.
Speaker 1: Um and uh. And then after Halo, I just brought
Speaker 1: them some of my own stuff. And I was also
Speaker 1: by then I had a contract with Epic, and so
Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of my own music there
Speaker 1: and we were trying to cross some of that over
Speaker 1: onto the show, and yeah, I think I think it
Speaker 1: was right after Halo, and then we did Quicksand and
Speaker 1: there was a couple of others. There was the one
Speaker 1: for the USO show, the kind of blue grassy one. Um,
Speaker 1: I could never quite find my groove, like my niche musically,
Speaker 1: I was just all over the place because I do
Speaker 1: love so many different styles of music and I write
Speaker 1: for so many different genres that, um, it actually became
Speaker 1: a hindrance because I couldn't just pick a lane. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of why I think Hayley's music was all
Speaker 1: over the place too. But then I did We Did
Speaker 1: We Belong also that Pat Benetar song. So it was
Speaker 1: a mix. It was a mixed bag. I mean, some
Speaker 1: of my stuff, some covers, but they were pretty flexible
Speaker 1: with me about it. Everybody worked with me and wanted
Speaker 1: to And then we did the one with Tyler that's
Speaker 1: right when it starts. Yeah, that's like the biggest one ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a mix, all right, you guys. Um next
Speaker 1: week the first cut is the deepest. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's had the share Crow episode. O God, we all
Speaker 1: showed up to work that day. Episode sixteen season one. Guys,
Speaker 1: we have done fifteen whole episodes together. I love the anniversary. Yeah,
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