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Speaker 1: episode fifteen. Suddenly everything has changed, change too much. Change.

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Speaker 1: Air date February thousand and four, and the synopsis is,

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Speaker 1: do a musical movie where you can actually sing, like

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00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: what they did in Late Or I just saw Evan Hanson.

426
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: I think they did a lot of it there too,

427
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: where you're you're just actually singing on the set and

428
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: you've got an earpiece in with the music playing, and you're,

429
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 1: you know, singing live, and that's the recording they use.

430
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: Because I think that sounds great. But wow, I'm on

431
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: a tangent. Sorry, no, you're not all right. We're gonna

432
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: put out a call to action right now. Joy doesn't

433
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: know I'm going to do this. Um, I want someone

434
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: to start an internet petition that means all of you

435
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: for Joy to star in Waitress on Broadway. Yes, my

436
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: my my business partner at Samuel Sweet Shops. One of

437
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: the producers. His wife Adrian Shelley wrote and directed the movie.

438
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: And I want Joy to be the lead in that

439
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: show so freaking bad, And I know I'm not the

440
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: only one, So somebody started petition. Y'all passed that thing

441
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: around because to go see my girlfriend on Broadway. I

442
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: love that you just said that, because the whole time

443
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: you were saying that, Joy, I was like, but what's

444
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: the Broadway show you want to do? That my question?

445
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: But I liked that Hillary's like, this is the one

446
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: you know, so in Oh, that sounds amazing. Yes. Do

447
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: you remember when we all went and so Wicked? Yeah,

448
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was right around this time. It

449
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: was when we were going back and forth for MTV

450
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: and we all went and I don't even remember what

451
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: theater it was. That it was the original cast, it

452
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: was Christian channowit and it wasn't just the three of us.

453
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: We had James, we had Yeah, we had a lot

454
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: of cast members. Everybody went and we had those center orchestras.

455
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: Those seats were unbelievable, amazing. I saw Wicked in San

456
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: Francisco before they had come to Broadway, because I had

457
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: read the book and heard they were making a musical

458
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: out of it. I was so exacted. I was a

459
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: huge fan of the book, um and Gregory McGuire's previous books,

460
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: Politically Correct Bedtime Stories, which is hysterical if you've never

461
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: read it. UM and I fell in love with Wicked.

462
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: Then I heard they were making a Broadway show, so

463
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: I followed it, and then uh, I went to San

464
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: Francisco to see this preview with Christian Channo, with Nadina

465
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: and cell And when I got there the performance, Kristen

466
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: had been in a like a fender bender or some

467
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: kind of car accident where she was hurt, and she

468
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: was wearing a neck brace as and she had a

469
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: grime stone choker around the brace. I mean the scene

470
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 1: where she's like supposed to, you know, doing she's popular,

471
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: and she's like yeah, tastas. She's like shaking her hair

472
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: and she's her whole body is just like, oh my god.

473
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: The audience was dying the fact that she worked in

474
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: this this neck brace into the character and just didn't didn't.

475
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: She wasn't like, no, I'm going to stay home and

476
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 1: not work. I'm like, she showed us. She showed up

477
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: and performed even in this neck brace as Glinda and

478
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: we were. I mean, she is such a pro man,

479
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: you guys. I want to admit something to Gus and

480
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: I live in a Broadway radio when we drive to school,

481
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: when we drive to the city all the time, as

482
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: to Maria, and when they play UM changed for good, Like,

483
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: I think about YouTube every time I hear that song

484
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: and I cry, and I've taken video of it. Sometimes

485
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna send this to them, and then

486
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: I chicken out because I'm like, no, I'm being like

487
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: two sentimental. I'm being too Like when they sing that duet,

488
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: I think about the group of us like taking the

489
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: escalator into the theater, you know, because it's like, you know,

490
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: right there in the middle of Times Square, and so

491
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: you take this escalator, and I just think about all

492
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: of us being so tentative with each other in that

493
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: first season and where we're at now, and it makes

494
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: me we like I feel. I remember that when we

495
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: were in Wilmington's when the show was so popular, and

496
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: we had the soundtrack in our cars, and all three

497
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: of us would sing to each other. We would sing

498
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: that loathing an adult and loathing, we remember, and Sophia,

499
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: we would sing popular in the Car's popular? That was

500
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: it was so good that that was such a good show. Joy,

501
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: you need to do a show that's a big, huge nodah.

502
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: Joy needs to do a show. And I almost feel

503
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: like at some point, not necessarily next because we still

504
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of our own cast mates to bring in,

505
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, we have nine seasons of this show to watch.

506
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe at some point we should do

507
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: a somber party that's Wicked themed. Let's invite Kristen, Let's

508
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: invite a Dina like, why not? They are drama queens?

509
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: Are they ever the James? Oh my god? Okay, wait,

510
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: should we start talking about our show again. Let's go

511
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: back to the kind of genesis of Joy singing in

512
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: the show. Um, Joy, I've heard you tell the story

513
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 1: about how they figured out you were a singer at

514
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: like conventions, But for the you know, three thousand other

515
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: people that haven't been to one of our conventions that

516
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: listen to these podcasts, how did how did they figure

517
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: that was your button to push? Anyone who spends longer

518
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: than a day with me will realize that I sing unconsciously,

519
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: like I will walk around singing. It's a it's a

520
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: comfort for me, and I just do it. I think

521
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: growing up as an only child, there was just some

522
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: kind of I feel like there's another person there. Maybe

523
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: that's why I talked to myself so much. Hey, we're

524
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: finding out all kinds of interesting look at us, So

525
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: I sing to myself. It's like having a little radio

526
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: with me and I. You know, it's just a little

527
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: habit that I have. And when we were filming one

528
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: of the scenes on the rooftop, the golf cart golf

529
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: course rooftop, it was on the top of a parking deck,

530
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: and uh so I would go down on the second levels.

531
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm also because I'm an introvert, it's hard for me

532
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: to stay on set with everyone all day long. And

533
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: I'll be on set, but then I tend to get

534
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: really overwhelmed by all the people and I need to

535
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: go find someplace to be alone, which often drives our

536
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: p a s and asans crazy because they're like, where

537
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: the hell we got eyes on Joy? We got eyes

538
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: on Joy, So we don't know where Joy is. If

539
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: there's a piano in the building, she's at the piano.

540
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: If there's a craft table near the building, she's at

541
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: the craft table. Safe space. And if there's neither of

542
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: those things, good luck. She's under a desk somewhere, she's

543
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: in a corner, look at the corners. I just saw

544
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: you post a video in a treehouse on your last

545
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: movie Set's right. I found a tree house perfect way off.

546
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: I've learned now to communicate. This is where I'll be. Um.

547
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, I was. I was in the in the

548
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: Gulf Course parking deck set, and I went down to

549
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: a lower level and the acoustics are great in parking decks.

550
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: If you're a singer, you know this, and so I

551
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: just started singing. I was probably singing Wicked or some

552
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: great show that was out. Um and uh I E

553
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: don't get me stored and every story okay, okay, okay. Anyway,

554
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: so we parking deck, parking deck, parking deck. So we're

555
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: in the parking deck and uh, Mark and some other

556
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: people are driving by on their little golf carts and

557
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: they pull up and um uh hear me singing and um.

558
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: And then he asked me when I was on set.

559
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: He was like, was that was that? Was you singing? Huh?

560
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: I said yeah. He's like, do you want to sing

561
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: on the show? And I was like, uh, yeah, I guess,

562
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: I guess so sure, and me being stupid, I was

563
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: so stupid and like, is it going to confuse people?

564
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: Like maybe I should have two separate careers, and I

565
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to like bring my singing

566
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: into Hollywood, but I'm still a New Yorker and like

567
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: I feel like a music the theater person and so

568
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: such an ebo, you know, artist. So I didn't embrace

569
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: it as much as I wish I had. But um,

570
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: I was glad to do it, and we had fun

571
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm glad that they wrote that in and

572
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: it became an interesting thing for Haley as obviously as

573
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: we went down the line, I got to go on

574
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: tour and um, write my own stuff and have it

575
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: on iTunes and it was cool. It's really cool, and

576
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: I got a recording contract with the Records. I mean,

577
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: there was a lot of cool stuff came from that. So, yeah,

578
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: that was neat. It makes me wonder what they would

579
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: have done with Haley if the singing thing wasn't there,

580
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, integral to who she is totally. Yeah,

581
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: I really don't know. That would be interesting to find out.

582
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of feel like they didn't really

583
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: know what to do with Haley, especially watching these last

584
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: few episodes. I mean, she was like the Whitey of

585
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: the kids. She chopped in and would like give advice

586
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: one of us who wasn't a complete just mess. I

587
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: Haley is my favorite character watching Everything back because she

588
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: is what I want girls to be, Like the boundaries,

589
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, this the security that I think when we

590
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: were doing the show, I didn't necessarily clock that because

591
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: we weren't having a conversation about like how girls protect

592
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: themselves and how you move throughout the world in a

593
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: way that is open but not you know, you're not

594
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: pray for people to like pick off. Haley really embodies that.

595
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: Like if George goes the Haley root, I'm good with it.

596
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: That's good stuff. Yeah, man, um, we want to talk

597
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: about the Karen Jake connection because that so much. I

598
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: loved seeing her light up when he said she's my

599
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: daughter and recognizing a kindred spirit and another kid that

600
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: she could help out wrote my heart and and and

601
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: It's interesting what Moira in that scene as Karen was

602
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: able to convey she didn't say a word, but the

603
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: way she reacted and then as he was talking, made

604
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: a face and they stayed on her, like the editors

605
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: stayed with her, and I almost felt like I could

606
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: hear her inner dialogue of oh, you're a single parent too.

607
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: It was so pure the way she saw him, and

608
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: then the crib at the end. So Paul was saying,

609
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: when Paul was on our show last week, and he

610
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: was saying, what's great about Moira? She's always thinking? And

611
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: that's so interesting to cut to. As an editor, you

612
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: want to cut to the person that's thinking, whether they're

613
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: talking and thinking or just sitting there listening and thinking.

614
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: And that's when Moira doest. That's perfect example. I liked.

615
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: You know, if the idea that Karen has moved through

616
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: this town, if this cloak of shame, you know, she's

617
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: like the scarlet letter in town. Hmm. If the freedom

618
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: that comes with knowing you're not the only one is

619
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: really helpful. We went through that with the whole me

620
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: too thing. It's like, wait, I'm not the problem, I'm

621
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: not the only one. And so it would be interesting

622
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: if it were like a high school girl that Karen

623
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: we're connecting with, like cool story, but the fact that

624
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: it's a boy that she's already recognized, like, this is

625
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: a really good kid. I'm hiring him because I think

626
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: he's a good kid. He's nice to my son, he's

627
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: good on the basketball team, he's responsible, and oh my god,

628
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: he did the same thing I did for an adult

629
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: to get validation from a kid. Is I mean, that's cool.

630
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: And I wonder if there's a layer deeper as well.

631
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: It just strikes me as you're saying this hill because

632
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: the story, the stereotypical story we always hear, is that

633
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: a young girl gets pregnant and then gets dumped. And

634
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: here is a young boy somewhere his girlfriend had a baby,

635
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: but he's the dad. He stayed. I wonder if there's

636
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: something underneath it, something unconscious or subconscious that makes Karen

637
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: love him even more as a as an upstanding young

638
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: man because he chose to stay and do the work. Baby.

639
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: Everybody loves Jake, even like George Clooney, damnite Ryan away

640
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: from us for a great job. Um okay, Brian, sorry,

641
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: Brian Greenberg, Jake, God, you call him whatever you want

642
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: to call him. I can't. He makes everybody flustered, Ladies

643
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: seeing what is his name? Cute boy with the banks

644
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: with the banks if anyone wants to message his wife

645
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: Jamie and tell her how much we love her too.

646
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: She is the cool just like a really cool wife,

647
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: and he's certainly got one. Um. But there was no

648
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: shortage of greenbird crushes back in the day, for sure.

649
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: It's really fun though, when you when you can giggle

650
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: with your friend about how much everyone was in love

651
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: with him as a kid, and then go, yeah, and

652
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: you grew up and now we're all kind of in

653
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: love with your wife. Yeah, well done, dude, done, Jake.

654
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: Jake calls Karen ms Rowe and then she says, Karen

655
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: call me Karen please, and I have this. It's kind

656
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: of an off topic, off topic question, but did you

657
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: guys grow up calling adults Mr. And their last name,

658
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: mrs and their last name or just their first name?

659
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: So it was like, you know too, Mr Kevin or

660
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: this was surely you know, like Ms. Laurie, Yeah, because

661
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: I guess in Texas I was it was always the

662
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: last name and maybe that was just the circle, but

663
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: in New Jersey it was definitely always the last name. Oh,

664
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Mr and Mr and Mrs you know, Jordan's or whatever

665
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: it was. You just never said your first name. Oh

666
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: my gosh, it would be so disrespectful. But here and

667
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: now in California, and maybe it's a West Coast thing, Sophia.

668
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: Don't know how you grew up, but you're it's Maria

669
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: has two friends that call me miss Lens, and everybody

670
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: else calls me miss Joy, but I won't. I don't.

671
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: She has one friend that calls me Joy and I

672
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: but but I've known her since they she was in

673
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: kindergarten and I don't know. It doesn't bother me. It's

674
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: it's like by their first name. I know, I know,

675
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: I remember, I will say. And maybe it's because you know,

676
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: my parents are from you know, the East coast in Canada.

677
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was very you know, Mr,

678
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: Mrs ms last name. But I had a friend in

679
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: high school whose parents insisted on being called by their

680
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: first name, and their kids called them by their first names.

681
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: Their kids that I went to school with didn't even

682
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: call them mom and dad. It was a first name.

683
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: So it was like it was more business family quirk. Yeah.

684
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: They were like, you, I'll drive you to school. Yeah. Um,

685
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: So it's funny because no, I didn't. I didn't really

686
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: ever do that. But I do see more of that

687
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: trend that you're talking about, Joy, where you know friends kids,

688
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: would you know they'll call me miss Sophia. Yeah, And

689
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's precious it. I feel like an elementary

690
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: school teacher. I love it. Yeah, yeah, it's sweet. I

691
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: don't like the there's only one girl that I allow

692
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: her to call me Joy, and it still irks me

693
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: a little bit much. This little girl. I love her

694
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: so much, though, and I feel like it's at this

695
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: point it would be so strange to ask her to

696
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: be more formal with me. So I'm just like, it's fine, whatever,

697
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: I love you. Class can't rewrap at present. Like when

698
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: we were growing up to the other thing that you

699
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: did was you called people aunt an uncle even though

700
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: they weren't your aunt and uncle. Like neighbors were always like,

701
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, an uncle. Um, yeah, I don't know. You

702
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: gotta call grown ups grown ups. I was the needy

703
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: kid that called other people's parents like mom and dad,

704
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: just to be funny. I'd be like, Dad, I'm home,

705
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, oh, Kimmy Gibbler's here, Like, let's

706
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: get her out of here. I thought it was strange

707
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: that that she was specifically asking him to call her Karen,

708
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: but maybe somebody because he's at and dad. She's like,

709
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: how old are you, Jake. She's like, it turns out

710
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm no longer in love with Keith, and I'm on

711
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: the market. I want you to think of me as

712
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: miss Karen. I just want you to think of me

713
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 1: as Karen. I feel like if Greenberg would have stuck

714
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: around the show, they would have gone that route with him.

715
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: I would not have been surprised. I step of the

716
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: teacher would have loved it. Yeah. You know what's interesting though,

717
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: I as comical as it is, there is this rift.

718
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: You know, we're all now fantasizing about Karen and Jake.

719
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: It's fine, deserves an asterisk because don't forget. You know,

720
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Brian Greenberg was twenty three. This is not an actual

721
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: high school kid, because you know someone will write that comment. Um,

722
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: but but we do. We have this big rift with

723
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: Karen and Keith and god, that's scene at the end.

724
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: I forgot about this. You know, none of us were

725
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: in it, so it's not like we would remember filming it.

726
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: When Keith is trying to get a bank loan and

727
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: it's it's the cycle of what keeps people in situations

728
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: of financial insecurity that we as a society are really having.

729
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: Now we understand it. We have the transparency, we can

730
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: analyze the data. You weren't really doing this then and

731
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: and watching it now really like, I don't know, guys,

732
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: it just broke my heart seeing that woman, you know,

733
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: the actress hired to play the gal at the bank

734
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: who says, well, your monthly earnings are not that high,

735
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: and what your mortgage would be doesn't really She essentially said,

736
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't make us feel secure to give you a

737
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: loan and you just withdrew your life savings. And he says, yeah,

738
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: but I had to pay medical bills. My my nephew

739
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: was in an accident, and she's kind of like sorry.

740
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: And so many people in our country go through this

741
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: and go through versions of this, and and like the

742
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: numbers out there, you know, the staff that gets thrown

743
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: around a lot now is that the average American is

744
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: a four hundred dollar emergency away from going bankrupt or

745
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: becoming homeless. We just saw that during the pandemic. You know,

746
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: the despair that that comes after rejection, like that impacts

747
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: so much of your life. And we're you know we

748
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: know what's coming up for Keith a little bit. We

749
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: know that he will spiral, and it's sad to watch

750
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: the beginning stages of that. It's not fun. And when

751
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: someone who does have a wonderful work ethic and he

752
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: does just try to show up and do their best

753
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: doesn't get the help that they really need and honestly

754
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: would absolutely deserve. Like, if Keith got that loan, he

755
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: would prove that he deserved it. And would he Oh yeah,

756
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean maybe not because it's a TV show and

757
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: writers love drama, so they might have torpedoed him anyway.

758
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: But I realized that right now I'm really needing to

759
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Keith as a real person, and I'm like, he absolutely

760
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: want to pay them bad guys. I don't know. Keith

761
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: strikes me as a kind of guy who's not great

762
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: with money and would have like made some bad choices

763
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: because he seems like he's constantly running into whatever his

764
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: demons are that create problems in his life where he

765
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: can't ever quite get on top of them. I mean,

766
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a pattern established with him. Yeah. Yeah,

767
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: they did definitely put that. They put that hat on him.

768
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: That was sort of the character which is super real.

769
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of people who don't know

770
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: how to handle money because they're just afraid of it,

771
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: especially like talk about dissecting a character. You look at

772
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: a guy like him who I don't I don't know

773
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: what his story was growing up with with Dan, which actually, Hi, Georgie,

774
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: you guys, George has entered the chat. Do you want

775
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 1: to say hi to everybody here? Say hey girls, Hi gas, Okay,

776
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: hi lady. Look at this mop of likewies curl. She's

777
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: got joy hair. She's got like the big curly joy hair.

778
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: Look about break smile to hi baby. Are you gonna

779
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: be on a TV show? Oh? Yeah? I miss it

780
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: when their voice, the voices, they're like this. Honestly, she'll

781
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: make herself we call it her Clint Eastwood stare. She'll

782
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: just sit in front of the mirror and make herself

783
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: cry and like squint at herself. And I'm like, girl,

784
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: get that one right. I remember forget talking about how

785
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: hard it was to get two tears on set Enjoy.

786
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: You were like, well, don't you just do this? And

787
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: you like showed me this thing and you just held

788
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: your eyes and then you just had these big tears

789
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: dripping down your face. And I was like, oh, you dude,

790
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: are you serious? And you were just like, oh, you

791
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: have to learn this, And I was like, how who

792
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: are you your magician? So hey, maybe do you think

793
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: you sat in front of the mirror like George and

794
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: practice when you were a little wee. No, I couldn't cry.

795
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: I couldn't cry my like almost my entire adolescence in

796
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: teenage years and the first two years I was, the

797
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: first year and a half I was on the soap,

798
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: I absolutely could not mustard tears. It was like I

799
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: had a huge emotional block. Um I would I would shove.

800
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: I spent so many years shoving tears down when I

801
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 1: was in high school and when I was in middle

802
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: school because I just didn't want it. I wanted to

803
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: be tough. I didn't want anybody to ever see me cry.

804
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes I would let it go if I was totally

805
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: alone and nobody was around, but otherwise I just got

806
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: really good at like feeling the emotions come up to

807
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: about my throat and using my entire body to just

808
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: shove it all the way back down. And No, it

809
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: was terrible. And then when I went to act and

810
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: I was I was trying to perform and cry and

811
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: do a scene where I was sad or auditionalary thing.

812
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: I just could never. I could never cry. I couldn't

813
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: do it even when I was I did that Stephen

814
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: King movie when I was god joy, I was so jealous.

815
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: So there was a scene at the dinner table. I

816
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: was supposed to cry and I couldn't do it. And

817
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: I was like, can can we just have somebody stick

818
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: a pin in my foot under the table while I'm

819
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: doing this scene so that I can It'll make me

820
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: tear up? And they did. They actually was like no,

821
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: like stick me in the foot with the pan, like

822
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: stick me and they wouldn't do it like this method. Um,

823
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: we cannot end without talking about Sophia crying in the

824
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: mall because you did so good, okay, crying in the

825
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: mall and then chewing Peyton's asked at the end of

826
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: the episode Powerhouse Performances, Babe, that mall. We all kind

827
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: of remembered that mall as being a not fun day

828
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: at work. Oh, it was so uncomfortable. What was your side?

829
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Oh gosh, um, you pointed, and I was like,

830
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: which one? Oh yeah? On my computer screen you're there. I, Um,

831
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: I just remember I was actually still so nervous because

832
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know how to cry unless

833
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: I'm really upset, so so the sort of like god,

834
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: I just think about it. I'm like, what do we

835
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: do for a living? Just like emotionally manipulate ourselves anyway, Um,

836
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: but I I was really struggling and I have a

837
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: hard time, which I really eyes makes my choice of

838
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: a job super weird. I don't love to be looked at,

839
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: especially by strangers. It like it is the thing that

840
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: creates a lot of social anxiety in me. And I

841
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: remember that day because I had to sit on that

842
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: bench in one of the hallways of the mall in

843
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: Wilmington's and you guys approached from the rotunda where the

844
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: carousel was, and you like came down towards me, you know,

845
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: down the hallway and you guys were going to walk up,

846
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: and it's the whole you know, Brooks crying about Lucas

847
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: breaking up with her. Hailey realizes that Lucas and Peyton

848
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: haven't told Brooke, and she's pissed. Peyton knows she's caught.

849
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: It's this, It is a true triangle moment. But when

850
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: the cameras were pointed at me and you guys were

851
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: on the other side, they couldn't close the mall. They

852
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: didn't like close the hallways. So by the time we

853
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: got to my coverage, hundreds of people were behind you guys,

854
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: just like looking and reaching and pointing and taking pick

855
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: shures and and I was like, I don't know if

856
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: I can do this because everybody had called their friends

857
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: by by that time. Down here, they're filming one. And

858
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: it's not that people aren't nice, it's it's just weird

859
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: to be looked at like a zoo animal. Yeah, And

860
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: there was no why was there nobody being like like

861
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: corralling the crowd. We didn't have a lock up. It

862
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: was season one, and they wanted it to be a

863
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: scene because they were trying to like convince the network

864
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: that we were a hit, you know, like that was

865
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: on purpose. Yeah, because normally they would lock off a hallway,

866
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: they would put up some barriers so we could all

867
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: work in private, and they didn't do that. I think

868
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, sending pictures back to l

869
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: A of like, look how many people showed up? And

870
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: and I remember years later, you know how nice it

871
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: would be when we all were working at Karen's and

872
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: everybody was super cool. I will say, our fans are

873
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: generally so respectful. People would line up across the street.

874
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: We could go over at lunch and take photos and

875
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: kiss babies and say, hey, this was just so close

876
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: and we were so I mean, this was my first job,

877
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know what I was doing, and I

878
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: was just so scared and the way it felt to

879
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: have hundreds of faces staring. I couldn't get there. Oh

880
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: you did, though eventually I did, and and I will say,

881
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: it's it's so interesting to realize how much we all

882
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: love each other's characters but also our own. Like God,

883
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: I go hard in the paint for Brooke Davis, and

884
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: I was just like looking at this little baby girl

885
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: like sobbing, and I'm like, oh, I feel so bad

886
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: for her. She just doesn't know. It was so good,

887
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: such a good scene. It was so raw and real

888
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: and vulnerable. And then you know the way you turned

889
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: it around when you came into Peyton's room, showed up

890
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: unannounced and just walked in because this girl who lives

891
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: alone never locks her door, and you walked in her

892
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: bedroom and just just you just gave it to her

893
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: and you knew the whole time too. That's what was

894
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: so interesting. You didn't let her have at the hospital

895
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: held onto it for like a day or two. Yeah,

896
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: why didn't Peyton wait for Brooke to like drive her

897
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: from the hospital, You know what I mean? Bolt, That

898
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: was so rude. What's interesting to me though, is because

899
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: remember in the beginning when when there's the scene with

900
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: with you guys in the bedroom where Peyton and Lucas

901
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: are in the bedroom and I was like, oh my god,

902
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, this brook find out

903
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: him like I didn't remember. I wasn't sure. And when

904
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: she goes in to check on Lucas and comes out

905
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: and it's pissed. Yeah, I was like, yeah, she's so pissed.

906
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she turned around and saw that computer,

907
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: the computers in the shop when she walks in there

908
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: and turns around, and I was like, it's the webcamp

909
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: and I think there's something really interesting. I'm realizing now

910
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: this was a great job done by the writers because

911
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: Peyton has said to Lucas, I'm not going to do this,

912
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: like this is my history with my best friend since

913
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: I was nine, and he says that kind of thing

914
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: where he's like, oh, you know, we're not going to

915
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: betray her anymore than we have and we're just like

916
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: hold the line and again writing everybody relaxed. But the

917
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: writer just did a thing where they really leaned into

918
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: the history of these two girls, which I think informed

919
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: the rage that Brooke comes in the room with because

920
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: she doesn't go to Lucas and say, Golf, I can't

921
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: believe you hooked up with my best friend. She's like,

922
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: you're my best friend and you did this thing behind

923
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: my back, and like you didn't tell me, and that's

924
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: what changes everything. And it's like, oh god, because how

925
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: hard would it be to tell your best friend that

926
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: you're in love with their boyfriends? But to Brook, she's like,

927
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: there's a right and there's a wrong and this was wrong,

928
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: and oh man, I had to really bring I had

929
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,479
Speaker 1: to bring a lot of fun, pent up anger into

930
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: that scene and it was boiling. I have a question

931
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: about Peyton's hair because you have so no listen, you

932
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: have beautiful hair, You've big, beautiful girls. And I we

933
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: saw them for sure in the pilot and like several

934
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: times throughout the first few episodes, and I know there

935
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: was a lot with humidity, but I was just wondering

936
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: what the like it's it changed so much. It was

937
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: like I loved the curls in the beginning, and sometimes

938
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: your natural curl showed up and then sometimes they were

939
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: um crafted curls, and I just wasn't sure. I never asked,

940
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: and I was, I don't know. Just encourage me to ask. You.

941
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: Peyton's hair goes on the journey, you guys. Uh, this

942
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: whole game series. Peyton's hair is a journey. And what

943
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: I love is that Miley Cyrus has that like bleach

944
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: blond mullet right now and I'm like, it's season two.

945
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: Invalidates me. No, So the humidity was a big deal.

946
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: And then doing my hair every single day, every single scene.

947
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: You know what you didn't see behind the scenes is

948
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: there was like a beautane curling iron that in order

949
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: for my hair to match, they would have to use

950
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: that bututane curling iron to wrap it after every single setup.

951
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: But why didn't they just use your natural curl? Because

952
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: it quit? It quit. They would like you'd put gel

953
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: in it, or you'd put stuff in it to get

954
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 1: it to scrunch up. We didn't have all the nice

955
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: serums and things that we have now. Back then it

956
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: was like l A looks gel, you know, and girl,

957
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: come on, I'm o g um. It would suck up

958
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: the humidity straight now and then they'd wrap it and

959
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, it just started falling out in clumps. Also. God,

960
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: I was a disaster. Guys. My hair was just like

961
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: falling out in clumps. Uh, which is fine. You know,

962
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: you always looked beautiful and you it was just always

963
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: so it was like I never quite knew what I

964
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: what I was going to see with your hair, like

965
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: which hairstyle it was going to be. And I liked

966
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: those crafted curls. I liked your natural curl. I liked

967
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: your cuts. I thought it always you always had something

968
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: really cooling. I like that short Bob was my favorite.

969
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: That was a good one. Yeah, it was cute. I

970
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: did a Bob once. It wasn't good for me. I

971
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: think I liked your bob so much. And then Victoria

972
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: Beckham got a Bob and I was like Bob, and

973
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh no, I've made a mistake.

974
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: I've made I've made a terrible mistake, and it's going

975
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: to take four years. I thought that one I did that,

976
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: Bob in season eight, I think I don't hey. Before

977
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: we get into superlatives, I just want to mention that

978
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: one line that made us all gasp when Lucas finds

979
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: out that Dan saved him from Keith and says, what

980
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do with this? I feel like

981
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: that is the overarching message of this whole episode, because

982
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: it's either Karen saying where am I supposed to? Where

983
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: am I supposed to put this Peyton with her feelings?

984
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: Where am I supposed to put this Brook? You know,

985
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: like everyone is kind of thinking that same thing, where

986
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: am I supposed to put this? And she did a

987
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: good job of delivering that line I felt about for him. There,

988
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: he really did. And you know what else I liked too,

989
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: is that he takes that energy of where am I

990
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: supposed to put this and puts it into his retort

991
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: when Lucas responds to Karen and says, I don't get it.

992
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: Dan does one good thing and you cut him slack,

993
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: and Keith makes one mistake and you shut him out.

994
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: That one that cut deep for me too, because you

995
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: realize where people put their feelings and how they feel

996
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: them doesn't always make sense. And it is messy. I

997
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: feel that a lot in my life. Where am I

998
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: supposed to put this? Where am I supposed to put this? Yeah,

999
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm curious where Brook's going to put all that anger

1000
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: and the next episode, I'm not scared, Frankly, I'm scared,

1001
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: I know. And what's Haley going to say? Because Haley

1002
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: has been the one who's who always says what are

1003
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: the two of you doing? And this is the only

1004
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: episode where Haley realizes what's going on in that mall scene,

1005
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: and then we don't hear her give it to someone

1006
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: And I'm like, who is it coming big next week?

1007
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: Because I don't remember, But if it is, I'm excited.

1008
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: It wasn't her place. I think it was just like, well,

1009
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm awkward. Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens

1010
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: next week. Let's uh spen a wheel. I want to

1011
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: don dune dun dune the joy. We need you to

1012
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: write a song for this, like just a little musical

1013
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: ditty for the real spit Alright, the winners who would

1014
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: marry a celebrity most likely to marry a celebrity. I

1015
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: mean that we shouldn't even do that in real life,

1016
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: because that's weird. Um, it's weird. Let's do which character

1017
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: is most likely to marry a celebrity? Rachel, Right, Yeah,

1018
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was gonna say. It's yeah, any

1019
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: of the boys we have a girl? Do we have

1020
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: a boy that is most likely to marry a celebrity?

1021
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: Why do I think it's Mouth because he's so freaking lovable,

1022
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: Because he's just the most lovable person. I feel like,

1023
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: you know who would like, like, who's the Oh, I

1024
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: know who would marry celebrity? Jake Jaski and ditch us

1025
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: in season two and then oh my god, I love it.

1026
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: Wait and guys, we have cute listener questions. This week

1027
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: one came, I'm an anonymous fan and I kind of

1028
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: think Hillary, you nailed it. This person said, what is

1029
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: a song that will randomly play and you immediately think

1030
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: of a scene in One Tree Hill? I feel like

1031
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: it's when the Wicked soundtrack comes on and we think

1032
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: about each other. Yeah, I mean that that soundtrack really

1033
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: hits hard. Guys, those women singing at each other, like, man,

1034
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: we fought a whole bunch, but I love the hell

1035
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: out of you. Yeah, that's us. Is there is there

1036
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: a song that makes you think of a scene like

1037
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: like joy Now when you hear Sarah McLaughlin, do you

1038
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: think of Season one, Haley? Or is that not a thing?

1039
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: And maybe that's just for me? When I hear that song,

1040
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: I do, Um, yeah, no, I mean some of the

1041
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: other stuff I sang later on, I think I remember

1042
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: the song will randomly play and make me. I mean

1043
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: always the switch the Switchfoot song Dare You to Move? Yeah,

1044
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean that one always gets me. Um, and of

1045
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: course our theme song, and yeah, no, I think it's

1046
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: that Switchfoot song is the one that really reminds me

1047
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: more than anything else. Do you have one? It's not

1048
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: necessarily just a song, but yeah, very similarly if Darren

1049
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: to Move comes on. Obviously, any time I hear Gavin,

1050
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: I start to giggle, which is weird for people who

1051
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: are with me who don't necessarily, you know, when you

1052
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: hear a song like playing in the background and no

1053
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: one else has noticed it yet, so I'm just laughing

1054
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: and prepare what I'm like. Do you hear it? Do

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Speaker 1: you hear it? Um? Yeah, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: there are certainly songs that were big deals. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my god, do you guys remember when kid Cutty came

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Speaker 1: and played a trick like that first record he released.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't hear a Kid Cutty song without thinking about

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Speaker 1: all of you. That's not what lasts for me now.

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Speaker 1: But there's always been moments where certain songs have hit

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Speaker 1: on our soundtrack. I would say that Tegan and Sarah

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00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: song Don't Confess was one for sure. And then Peyton

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Speaker 1: has a conversation with like Ellie in season three where

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Speaker 1: she talks about the song she hates the most is

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Speaker 1: I think Celebration because it's the song that was playing

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Speaker 1: in the hospital when her mom died, and like, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure that's what it was. And even if it's not,

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Speaker 1: any time I hear that song, I'm like, mom died,

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Speaker 1: Like it ruined the song in real life? Oh my

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Speaker 1: go breaky good time? Come on? No, no, yeah, ruined.

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Speaker 1: We need to reclaim that song for you, Okay, next

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Speaker 1: slumber party, truly we're having a dance party, all right.

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Speaker 1: Join the questions for you. How much of a hand

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Speaker 1: did you have in Haley's music? Did you write the

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Speaker 1: songs yourself co write or was it something the network

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Speaker 1: handed you and you had to put your vocals to

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Speaker 1: No Ruin on songs. Yeah, some of them were good,

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Speaker 1: some of them were not good. But let me let

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Speaker 1: me sing him on the shot. Well, I'm curious. I

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Speaker 1: kind of want to piggyback Justin's question here, because you

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Speaker 1: know you said that the first time you sang and

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Speaker 1: you sang the Sarah McLaughlin song. Um, they had given

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Speaker 1: you a CD and they let you pick what you

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Speaker 1: wanted to sing. When did it transition from Haley singing

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Speaker 1: covers of popular songs to you Joy writing music for Haley?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember? I think it was only that one.

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Speaker 1: And then A Halo was something I wrote with Kara

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Speaker 1: Dea Guarda. Um, Kara Guardy. I always forget which vowel

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Speaker 1: is at the end of her name, but um, she's

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Speaker 1: a wonderful songwriter. And uh, we got together and worked

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Speaker 1: on on that. I mean, she really wrote that song.

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Speaker 1: I think I probably was like in the room and

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Speaker 1: maybe said a couple of things, but that was mostly her.

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Speaker 1: Um and uh. And then after Halo, I just brought

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Speaker 1: them some of my own stuff. And I was also

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Speaker 1: by then I had a contract with Epic, and so

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Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of my own music there

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Speaker 1: and we were trying to cross some of that over

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Speaker 1: onto the show, and yeah, I think I think it

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Speaker 1: was right after Halo, and then we did Quicksand and

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Speaker 1: there was a couple of others. There was the one

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Speaker 1: for the USO show, the kind of blue grassy one. Um,

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Speaker 1: I could never quite find my groove, like my niche musically,

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Speaker 1: I was just all over the place because I do

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Speaker 1: love so many different styles of music and I write

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Speaker 1: for so many different genres that, um, it actually became

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Speaker 1: a hindrance because I couldn't just pick a lane. So

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Speaker 1: that's kind of why I think Hayley's music was all

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Speaker 1: over the place too. But then I did We Did

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Speaker 1: We Belong also that Pat Benetar song. So it was

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Speaker 1: a mix. It was a mixed bag. I mean, some

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Speaker 1: of my stuff, some covers, but they were pretty flexible

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Speaker 1: with me about it. Everybody worked with me and wanted

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Speaker 1: to And then we did the one with Tyler that's

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Speaker 1: right when it starts. Yeah, that's like the biggest one ever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a mix, all right, you guys. Um next

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Speaker 1: week the first cut is the deepest. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: it's had the share Crow episode. O God, we all

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Speaker 1: showed up to work that day. Episode sixteen season one. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we have done fifteen whole episodes together. I love the anniversary. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love you guys. Oh my god, we have our

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Speaker 1: learners permit. Thank you so much to the fans for

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Speaker 1: tuning in with us. This has been a really fun

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Speaker 1: ride and I'm excited we have a long road a hit.

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