1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: In just a matter of days, one of the most 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: highly anticipated middleweight title fights for the UFC takes place 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: when champion israel At of Sonia takes on Alex Pareeda 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: in the main event for all the bragging rights, for 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: the belt and for a whole lot more. Here to 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: talk about it is my next guest, the champ himself. 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Here he is. How are you. I haven't seen you 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: in a long time. 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: Wow, it's being a while. I think last time was 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: in New York in the old studio. 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, Well I also saw you after you beat 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: Brunson at the press. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. But like this, I've just gotten greyer 14 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: and more pathetic. You look had your kid as well. 15 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: Three Remember she was pregnant at the time. 16 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and now she's a wonderful kid. But I'm 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: tired of far where the grays come from? Yeah, I'm 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: really old. How are you feeling now? You're in the 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: are you? You've done? You've done a New York thing, 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: which you're not in New York City, we're outside of it. 21 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: How has this whole environment been beautiful? 22 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: If you look outside, it's just fall season. He was 23 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: a falling you see, Dare and wildlife everywhere. But it's 24 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: just a vibe. Because I remember two thirty was cool 25 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: to be at the Fighter Hotel in the midst of everything. 26 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: I've experienced that now, so I feel like I'm on 27 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: a new level where I don't need to be in 28 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: the noise of the city. So I'd rather remove myself 29 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: from all that and you know, enjoy the bliss of nature. 30 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: Any issues, Like given the travel with weight cut. 31 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 2: Easy, I can ajoining my weights phenomenal right now, Like 32 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: I had a schedule. 33 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: But you look bigger than I remember you. 34 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: But he saw me when I came downstairs before when 35 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: I just woke up. I'm cutting weight, and you say 36 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: I look bigger, Yeah, trust me. Like before I started 37 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: cutting weight, I was brawlic man. Is it a conscious 38 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: effort to book my boy abla ab from base benefit. 39 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: I got him to even when I went to Canada 40 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: when I was on holiday, you know, I brought him 41 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: along just so it can keep training because I wanted 42 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: to build the building blocks for this camp. I knew 43 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: what was coming, so I was like, I need to 44 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: be stronger. I need to be I'm already strong. Everyone 45 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: that I fight, you can ask them all Bruns in 46 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: Whitteko whoever. They'll tell you always stronger than he looks. 47 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 2: It's the frame, it's the leverage. But yeah, for this camp, 48 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: I wanted to take it to another level and I did. 49 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: I successfully did or he did actually shot out to 50 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 2: ab for that. 51 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: And bringing the whole team here. How many people do 52 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: you have with you here in this house? 53 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: I think twenty six, twenty five? How many tim more? 54 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: Up? 55 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: More? Oh well, we got the second wave yesterday, actually 56 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: the second platoon, if you will, so maybe like over thirty. 57 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: Now, why did you do it this way? Because obviously 58 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: there's four of you on the card, but this is 59 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: its own little little city here, a little New Zealand 60 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: and here little Auckland. 61 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: The flag and everything. 62 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, hell, why did you do it this way? I mean, 63 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: I guess getting away from the city, but I mean 64 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: you brought New Zealand here essentially pretty much. 65 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: Initially, when it was just like me on the card, 66 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, it's going to be maybe less 67 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: than ten people like for me, I wanted to be 68 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: soldiers only. That was my that's been my model for 69 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: this fight, soldiers only. And then dang added to the 70 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: card Braggo added call us go added, and I was like, hmm, okay, 71 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: let me just bring the people who really help us 72 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: in the gym. You know, there's a lot more people 73 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: as well. A shout out to those who really help 74 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: us in the gym. We love you, you know, nine 75 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: am squad. But I wanted to bring as much buddies 76 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: as I can, just to really make this like a 77 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: fortress of war, you know what I mean, Like you 78 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: see tomorrow women roll to the city. It's gonna be 79 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: something special. I've never had like a mob before when 80 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: I roll. We don't need one. But I like the 81 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: fact that it's four of us on this card. And 82 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: I wanted her to feel like war. I wanted to 83 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: feel like initially when it was just me, like the 84 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: way me and usually went to Brazil to storm that 85 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: guy's castle, you know, and then come back with a 86 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: lot of money. But yeah, I wanted to feel like 87 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: a fortress of war this time. What's the vibe in 88 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: the house like beautiful, It's beautiful. It's I started doing 89 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: this in Houston, I believe, for the victory part to fight, 90 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: and then after that then we're in what was the 91 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: last one? Fuck, it's so many Vegas. Yeah, Vegas the 92 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: last one and then now this one. So I just 93 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: realized I don't like staying at the fight or hotel. 94 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: You get mob now yeah, yeah. 95 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: And it's I know what they do. They see, they 96 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: know their tricks, and I see them with their kids 97 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: because they know I won't say no to kids, and 98 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: they bring gifts and I'm like, I already have that 99 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: one because someone gave me a gift for once on 100 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: them better. So they think that's how you get to me, 101 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: and I'm I know what they do with these things, 102 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: Like no one needs twenty signed fucking posters of me, 103 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: So I know the hustle. What is life like for 104 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: you now in New Zealand? In New Zealand, can you 105 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: go about your day normally? Honestly I can, and I 106 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: still do. But when I go to events or if 107 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: I go like out, I definitely have my my you know, 108 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: my watchers with me just because people and sometimes it's 109 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: you know, are some people think it's overkilled, like this 110 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: guy just thinks he's the man. But I feel that 111 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: a little bit in the beginning, but as soon as 112 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: I'm out, I'm quickly reminded why I need my security 113 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: with me, Like quickly remind me, because if I don't 114 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: have them, I won't enjoy what I'm doing. I want 115 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: to enjoy my drinks with my friends. I want to 116 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: enjoy my dinners. And because people are stupid and they 117 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 2: have no manners and respect when they see someone they 118 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: think is a celebrity, which I'm not. But yeah, it's 119 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: all good, though you're not a celebrity. I don't like 120 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: to use that term with myself because I feel like 121 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: I actually do something to earn my status. I'm a 122 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: fighter and I'm just famous for it. 123 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: It's a celebrated figure. You wouldn't say you're a celebrated figure. 124 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah I could say that. Yeah, but the celeblebrity is 125 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: like just Hollywood. I don't know. I'm a little Hollywood now, 126 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: but not crazy. I try and remove myself from that 127 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: world right now, but later on I'll tap in. 128 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: I want to talk about New Zealand for just a second, 129 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: for a reason that during. 130 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: The pants I want to say, first of all, I 131 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: thank you. I like these interviews. I've missed these. 132 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I'm sorry. I I would love to do more, 133 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: but it's been a weird time since I know. Y's 134 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: my job changed and a pandemic. Oh no, but this 135 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: is cool. Yeah, the chess pieces are dramatic. 136 00:05:59,640 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: I love. 137 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: But by the way the production crew did it. It 138 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: wasn't mean it is. The production crew did it. But 139 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: let's talk about New Zealand for just a second, because 140 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: during that time there was this situation you had with 141 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: the gym where you guys were trying to get the 142 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: COVID system that they had there. I forget the name 143 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: of it. It no longer is Q MIQU, It's no 144 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: longer in place, so it's not really all that relevant. 145 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: I wonder why, Well, it was funny. I actually the 146 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: All Blacks played in DC and there were Kiwi fans 147 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: there saying, get rid of the MiQ system because we 148 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: want to go home. Yeah, so I could tell that 149 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: it was I had some horror stories. 150 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: So I've heard some horror stories, man quick one when 151 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: I was in my third MiQ, I did four of them, 152 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: so that's two weeks isolated in a hotel. When I 153 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: was in my third one, there was a woman with 154 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: a kid with I think Cyrebra Pralsey, a teenager on 155 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: a wheelchair, and there was one time her kid had 156 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: a seizure in the smoking area or a non smoking 157 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: in the outdoor area, and one of the gods helped 158 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: the kid or help the mother. He go put in 159 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: quarantine for two days for helping because he didn't have 160 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: what his fool has Matt fucking kid on. So I'm like, 161 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: a kid's having a seizure of mother's distressed, crying. Give 162 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: me a second, I'm just gonna go sorry, two seconds, right, 163 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: just hold on, hang on, hang on. Like for me, 164 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, is that really the right thing to do? 165 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: Put him? It felt like more like a punishment because 166 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: he didn't follow a protocol rather than some kind of 167 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: precaution for safety. And that was the one that really 168 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: bothered me. And talking to her as well, I could 169 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: see it was getting to her and the kids because 170 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: trying to have a teenager, you know, entertained in a 171 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: hotel room is for two weeks. Yeah, it was horrible. 172 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: I can imagine. That's one of the hard stories. I 173 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: don't want to too much I've heard. I've heard some 174 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: other ones that weren't so great, But I guess it 175 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: kind of soured you a little bit. Because the All Blacks, 176 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: the rugby team aforementioned, they were able to get these 177 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: exemptions to come in and out as them. 178 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: Even the Indian cricket team got like, I think seventy 179 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: rooms something crazy. They had their own area to train 180 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: the netball team because the all backs are the most famous, 181 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: so they always get put on the spotlight. But it 182 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: wasn't just them, and it wasn't their fault because I 183 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: liked those guys. Shout to Rigie Manga, my boys. But yeah, 184 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: it's just the bureaucrats in the system finally showed their 185 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: true colors. They showed their true colors of who they are. 186 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: Like when we're on top and we're, you know, number 187 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: one gym in the world, they want to be like, yeah, 188 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: we're all key. We support these guys. We've never been 189 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: government funded, they've never offered us anything. We did this 190 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: all ourselves off our own backs, with the support of 191 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: the people around us, core people around us. But then 192 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: when it was time to turn around and bite us 193 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: and try and shut us down, they did shut that. 194 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: Our gym, which I trained for Costa. Excuse me, excuse me, standard. 195 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I've interviewed you several times. 196 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: You always get one. 197 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, so Costa. We had a training camp in 198 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: the gym our own bubble. That was fine, and then 199 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: when it was time for the next dance fight, they 200 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: moved the goalpost literally and I was like, well, we've 201 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: done this before and now we're letting these other teams 202 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: have their own facility to train and why are you 203 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: doing this to us? And for me, I had a 204 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: built in it. I know they don't like me, they 205 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: don't like the way I'm braggadocia sometimes, the way I 206 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: speak my mind. But when they did this to Dan, 207 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, this guy literally wears the flag on 208 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: his back as he walks out. He puts the country 209 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: on the fucking map. He's one of the first to 210 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: pave the way for guys like me, you know, like 211 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: a Kiwi born guy in the UFC, and this is 212 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: how you treat him, This is how you and that 213 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 2: really like that really cut me, man, That really bothered me, 214 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: really bothered me. So for me, and still to this day, 215 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: he's got kids to h he's got a kid and 216 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 2: the wife, and I'm like, bro, you guys are camping, 217 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: you like, do you have better shit to do than 218 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: camp outside the gym to take photos to write salacious articles? 219 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: So for me, I'm like, nah, fuck that. You guys. 220 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: They struck me wrong with that one, and they don't 221 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: need me. They've got yachting and rugby, cricket whatever. But 222 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 2: I'm like, you'll never see millions of dollars coming to 223 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,359 Speaker 2: the economy from my work. I'd rather give that to Australia. 224 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: What kind of response did you get in New Zealand 225 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: when you declare that that was the thing you were. 226 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: It wasn't too happy about it because it said like, look, 227 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: you're making other people suffer. You're making the the true 228 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 2: fans suffer, the ones who you know, they never get 229 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: the opportunity to see you. I'm like, I can see 230 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: where it's coming from. So he had a word to 231 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: me about it, and I was like I could be persuaded, 232 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: but for me, and I know, these guys will never apologize, 233 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: will never own up to what they did. You know, 234 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister will never even her. When she got 235 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: asked about it and we reabody language inventory body response, 236 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 2: you went, well, actually, I was just like you sly 237 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: little minx, Like they face the face they put on 238 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: to what they really mean. So she she let us 239 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: know what she thought of us, and for me, I 240 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: just felt like, yeah, that's cool. You stay on that side. 241 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: We'll stay on the side. Yeah, but we do this 242 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: for the people who really care about it. 243 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, you have the flag here. You've been 244 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: talking about ENZ this whole week. It's those It seems 245 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: like you are still representing New Zealand, but not through 246 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: the government anything. 247 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: It's not those guys we're representing. We're representing the people. 248 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: The people who really support us, the people who you know, 249 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: bade to watch our fights, the people who've been coming 250 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: to the local shows, the people who really give a 251 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: fuck about what we're doing to represent the country because 252 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: we're honestly, like some of the best athletes in the world, 253 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 2: some of the best athletes in the country. I still maintain, 254 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: you know, I'm bigger than the all blacks worldwide, not 255 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: in New Zealand before you start clickbaiting me, fucking little cunts, 256 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: but yeah, worldwide. I walk around the street. People know 257 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 2: who I am. So yeah, I'm not local, I'm global, 258 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: and yeah, if you fuck with me, you fuck with me. 259 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about global. Let's talk about Alex 260 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: Padata all right. Now, you know me, I don't come 261 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: to these interviews to talk too much about headlines. I'd 262 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: like to talk about the fights themselves. Talk about everything, 263 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: all right, very good? What are you up against a 264 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: Potata when you size him up? Tell me what you 265 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: feel like you're facing here. 266 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 2: That's a good question. What do I feel like I'm 267 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: facing when I size him? I haven't seen him yet 268 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: this fire week. I can't until I see him when 269 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: I size him up. A really good kickboxer with some 270 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: good I guess grappling defense because I've seen in the 271 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: Bruno Silver fight in his first UFC debut, he you know, 272 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: either the right things that I do as well to 273 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: get to get up and get back to the to 274 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: the game that he's good at, and lately just he's 275 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: getting confident. I'll say that he's getting confident. Yeah. 276 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is if you watch the well 277 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: the second fight you had with him, people want to 278 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: go back and make a lot of declarations about it. 279 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: But like I gotta tell you, his he he isn't 280 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: the same guy right, Like he holds his hands. 281 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: In a very different position. He was more here, yes, 282 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: but now he's here. Yeah, he only goes back to 283 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: here when you put it on him. His defense. He's 284 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: got head movement. But once he gets tired. I can 285 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: say it because I know he's gonna guess when he 286 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: gets tired, he reverts back to his way of doing things. 287 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: But in the beginning, when he's fresh, he's here. You know. 288 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: He has that bounce, a little bit of a step, 289 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: like a little hip faint type step thing, not like mine, 290 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: but he'll get you thinking about the legs. Fast leg kicks, 291 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: sneaky jab, good jab to the buddy. 292 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, switch the scissors, knee he likes that. 293 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, come on, man, I see that 294 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: shit coming from Watch his debut. I called it probably 295 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: like ten seconds before it happened. I was like, watched this, 296 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: He's gonna get up nine and knee right up the middle. Yeah, 297 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: and then boom he did it. 298 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: So not in terms of what you take from it emotionally, 299 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: I don't mean that, but in terms of what you 300 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: can actually take strategically, in terms of what you can 301 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: actually take from bits and pieces that are relevant to 302 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: this contest. To what extent are the first and second 303 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: fights at all relevant for this one in your mind? 304 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: All relevant? Are they relevant in that particular context? Skills wise, 305 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: not emotional wise, skills wise a little bit. I don't 306 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: bang too much on it because we've both evolved. We've 307 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: both evolved. And also, that was kickboxing. The gloves were different, 308 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: My frame was different. I watched I watched that much thinner. Yeah, 309 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: I watched the first fight. I was hitting them with 310 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: some shots and I'm like, you know, he's eating them. 311 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: It was eating them. Second five, I eat and eat 312 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: him so well, he almost got put away. It's different 313 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: this time. It's been five years, bro, I've evolved and 314 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: so is he. But this is a different game. This 315 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: is mixed martial arts. The gloves are different. Trust me. 316 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: People might say I don't have any power still because 317 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: people are people and people are stupid, and I crack 318 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: him when I crack him. This time it's different, and 319 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: he's gonna try and crack me as well. But when 320 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: I let him, that's the that's the question. Will I 321 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: let him crack me? 322 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: How much of a difference is the fact that the 323 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: octagon is vastly more spacious on a than four right angles. 324 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that. I didn't even actually 325 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: the factor that they put me in the kickboxing ring 326 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: that was smaller than that side of the room, and 327 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: I was still able to use footwork to get out 328 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: of you know, dodge multiple times, not just with him, 329 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: multiple opponents as well. So yeah, I have space now 330 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: to work so I can run around. 331 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, I one time. You've been doing 332 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: that all week? 333 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: Run around? 334 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: What is that about? Because you got to keep the running? Yeah, 335 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: it's funny. 336 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: I mean people stupid again, people are stupid. I actually 337 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: saved it, Einstein said this. Hold up, I saved it 338 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: last night because I. 339 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: Found fake news. Did you find us on the internet? 340 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: I swear to God this is this is einstance. I've 341 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: heard it before. Two things are infinite, the universe and 342 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe that 343 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: that is funny. I was like, yeah, human stupidity, because yeah, 344 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: it's it's so crazy. And people still say, you know, 345 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: I think it's just you know, people are stupid, and 346 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: I've just I've accepted that now. People are stupid, so 347 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: I can't fight stupid. 348 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: Oh, come back to this, but I want to stick 349 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: with Potata for just a second. But the big left 350 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: hook is what he gets known for. Do you think 351 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: this is an oversold weapon or like in other words 352 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: when you think about his weapons, Yes, of course you 353 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: have to worry about the left hook, but it sounds 354 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: like you've got other things in mind that you're watching 355 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: out for. 356 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: Of course, he's got a nice, nice, sneaky backhand, like 357 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: when he misses the left hook, he thought it because 358 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: he he doesn't overturn in the beginning, when he's fresh, 359 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: he throws a left hook. His core is tough, it's tight, 360 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: so he's able to come back with a backhand later 361 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: on when it's labored, then he overthrows and then he misses. 362 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: But I'm also his jab. He's got a sneaky jab. 363 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: But thing is, the guys have been fighting there ship 364 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: foot work. They just stand right there. They were right 365 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: there in front of him to get hit. Even you 366 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: see the Bruno Selofi Bruno was literally just right there 367 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: getting teed off on. So it looks cool. It looks like, oh, 368 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: he's doing a lot of work. But I'm like, and 369 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: he is. He is doing a lot of work, but 370 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: he's doing it on someone who doesn't fight like me. 371 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: I spoke to Ryan Hall, he's actually native to Mario. 372 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah on no way, Yeah, And he was I was 373 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: asking him like since you've got to MMA. He made 374 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: a point about jiu jitsu in MMA, which was, if 375 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: you go to a jiu jitsu competition, the only way 376 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: the other person can beat you is with jiu jitsu. 377 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: But of course in MMA, they don't have any obligation 378 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: to use it. You have to force it on them. 379 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: And I asked him, did that make your jiu jitsu better? 380 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: He actually said no, it made it worse that he 381 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: It made it different. 382 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: His pure jiu JITs. He's talking about his pure ju jitsu. 383 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: It didn't make it as good anymore. It just made 384 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: it different. How do you feel about your kickboxing since 385 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 2: the five years or plus or whatever it's been at 386 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: this point, have you have you made it different, betteror worse? 387 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that shift? 388 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: I honestly, I've said this from the get go, even 389 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: when I was kickboxing, when I fuck for the World Tide, 390 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: I've always said my striking is best suited for MMA. 391 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: I've always known this because Mma is what I wanted 392 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: to do. I saw anisasovat UFC ninety and I was like, yo, 393 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: when I saw him live, I can I can really 394 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: do this? And I've always tried to do some things 395 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: to model him and certain other guys as well, even 396 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: like back then, like Thiago Alvez his leg kicks, things 397 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: like that. But I always knew my striking was best 398 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: suited for MMA because of the way I throw and 399 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: because of my frame. A lot of these guys they 400 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: have that Dutch style or that you know, really hard 401 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: fight fire fire or fight earth with earth type style 402 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 2: where it's who's the toughest bah bah, I think shell up, 403 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 2: boom boom, and I was like, nah, that's not my 404 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: style to fight, and that's how he still kind of 405 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: fights when he reverts back to his old ways. But yeah, 406 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: I've always maintained my striking is better with mm A, 407 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: and I've proved it time and time again. It's just 408 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: that much better. 409 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: Gabriel Varga, you were with him and Glory at the 410 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: same time. 411 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember. 412 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: Much lower way class than you. I think the way 413 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: remember he made a video about you guys, by the way, 414 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: on the record, he predicted you would win, whatever that 415 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: is worth. But he was talking about your style transitioning 416 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: and his style transitioning, and again he has made some changes. 417 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: He's not exactly the same. But what he mentioned was 418 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: that your evasion. 419 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: He's low. He's low, you know why to stop the 420 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: shot his hands and hands. Yeah, he's going to stop 421 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: the shot, that's why. Also sneaky. 422 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he made the point that your evasion style 423 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: is actually better suited for m m A. Do you 424 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: agree with that? Do you agree that the evasion way 425 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: you move that works much better in MMA than it 426 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: does in kickboxing? 427 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: Yes, kickboxing and I could get away with it, but 428 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: I just feel like with m MA, even with the 429 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: gloves being so small, it's I can feel, I can 430 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: feel where they go. Yes, that's a sense. It's a 431 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: sense of something you can just understand, your reflexes, your eyes, 432 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, much better than MMA. 433 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 1: And also do you feel like combination work isn't as 434 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: heavy in MMA? 435 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: I don't do it as much. Last time. I can 436 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: feel like I threw was maybe a little bit on 437 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: Costa Costa. Yeah, and Yan threw some nice combos on them. 438 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: Everyone else just made it really difficult because again, it 439 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: takes two to tango and I'll take I'm like, I'm 440 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: trying to fight. If people are trying to fight, but 441 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: then they want to defensively survive, that's up to them, 442 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: you know, but it made it hard to I guess, 443 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: really pin them down. And I'm not really a combination 444 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: guy anywhere unless I know I'm going to take you out. 445 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: Then I start to like, you know, running numbers. 446 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: Right. It is it weird talking about these fights all 447 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: over again because you've had such a decorated career and 448 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: you've been undefeatedly middleweight. There was the one Blohovic fight, 449 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: but that was a close fight, but you have to 450 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: go over these loss I wonder, like, does that stir 451 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: weird emotions. 452 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: I've done so much emotional work on myself over the 453 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: last I think since COVID started, because you know that 454 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: was crazy times. Yeah, and you know, I had some 455 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 2: personal shit I had to deal with, so I did 456 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: a lot of work on myself internally to the point 457 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: where you know, I'm human, so there's levels of things 458 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: that might affect me. But this is nothing. This is 459 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: not in my I have the bandwidth for this. Put 460 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: it that way. 461 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: Did you see a therapist or a sports psychologist? 462 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: Well, she doesn't like to call herself a therapist. She's 463 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: more she calls usself a PM, a possibility manager. And yeah, 464 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 2: it was cool just to get a lot of tools, 465 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 2: a lot of tools from her that I can use 466 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: in my life in perspective, perspective on myself and on 467 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: the world around me as well. 468 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: This is asking a lot, Yeah, so would you be 469 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: able to share any like one detailer. 470 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: The best one I got from her was don't react 471 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: respond And I've seen that so many times time and 472 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: time and time again, even in the news and us 473 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: all the things like like example, the George Floyd thing 474 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: when it happened, and it caused the whole world to react, 475 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: because what the fuck you saw a video of a 476 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: guy getting killed by a cop who's supposed to protect 477 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: and serve. So it made me react. But then eventually, 478 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: now when I you know, the BLM movement, not the 479 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: movement the company goes started off that. But then eventually 480 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 2: there's a point when I saw things happening that I 481 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: was like, okay, let me take a step back and have 482 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: a look and let me see. So now whenever thing's 483 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: happened in the news, I don't straight away go to 484 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: Twitter or like Instagram because people react. You'll see me. 485 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: I'll take my time and I'll i's says how I 486 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: feel about this, not what the world's trying to tell 487 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: me to feel about this, how do I feel? And 488 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: then eventually I'll respond. I'll respond to what's happening. So 489 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: the same thing in my personal life. If you see 490 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: Prairie he's been doing in all week or fucking a 491 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 2: week weeks, he's been doing it, trying to like and 492 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 2: I'm just like, well, he has bragging rights, he can 493 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: talk shit. Let him talk shit. I'm not going to react. 494 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: But I said, I will respond, and I'll respond violently because. 495 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: He said anything weird. He said one thing in a 496 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: to a poor It was a Brazilian podcast through MMA 497 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: Fighting Tell Me where he had Actually I have the quote, 498 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: if I may, let me pull this out. So this 499 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: was like one of those ones where it's like, obviously, 500 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: you know fighters are going to say things to themselves 501 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: to center themselves for any kind of opportunity. But here's 502 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: what he wrote or what he said, and this is 503 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: translated into English. To take that for what it's worth. 504 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: Quote right after it was announced that my next fight 505 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: would be for the belt against him, So I think 506 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: this is post Strickland. He and his whole team said 507 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: it was a bit unfair that I was fighting for 508 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: the belt because I just got here that out of Sonya. 509 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: Excuse me. I'm trying to get it right. Did so 510 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: many fights and I should do the same. Man. I'm 511 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: just hearing that and taking it as something positive for me. 512 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: That shows me he pretended he wanted to fight me, 513 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: and when I got here, his whole team was against that. 514 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: That shows all of them. He and his team are 515 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: mentally shook. 516 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: Never said that after I said he's the next after 517 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: the Strickland fight. 518 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: I believe so. 519 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: I already knew I said he was next, and I 520 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: said he still doesn't deserve. Deserve is a subjective work. 521 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: People like to say deserve this, people deserve that. Fuck 522 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: deserve that. You earn What have you done to earn 523 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 2: this spot? I still don't think he's earned the spot enough. 524 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: But I welcomed it because why he's fresh at this. 525 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: I want to I want to welcome him, and I 526 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 2: want to expose him at this before everyone else did. 527 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: If he had the run I had, if he had 528 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: to go through the people I went through, he would 529 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 2: have got exposed three fights ago. 530 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: Like two fights with two fights with Victoria. 531 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: Not even before that, like the run with fucking what's 532 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: his name Vittori early on. Oh, he would have got exposed. 533 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: You know, he would beat some of those guys definitely, 534 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: but he would have got exposed along the way. But yeah, 535 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: I never said I didn't want to fight. I called 536 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: him out. I said I want to fight. But I'm 537 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 2: just saying that as it is, he doesn't earn the spot. 538 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: He hasn't earned it. 539 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: If my math is correct, it'll be since he signed 540 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: with the uscly since the first fight. It will be 541 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy one days, and then he got 542 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: a title shot, So really just a year and some change. 543 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: That is pretty quick. 544 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 2: I did it. How long did I do it? 545 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: You fought a bunch of times though, Yeah, it wasn't 546 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: a long time span, but you were con. 547 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 2: Five times in a year and a day, and then 548 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: I got my title shot. Yeah, so it was three 549 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty something. It'll be a little bit more 550 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 2: than his, but yeah, but I had a more impressive room. 551 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 2: Put it that way. 552 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: It seems like obviously the UFC was like trying to 553 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: fast track it a little bit, and he did beat so. 554 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: I cleared the way for him because I cleared the division, 555 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: so it was like a clear path, right to. 556 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: Me, so you've had, like you've been eyeballing this fight 557 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: for a while. 558 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: Once he got in the UFC, I knew it was 559 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: gonna happen as soon as he got in the UFC, 560 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 2: so I was all right, I bet I know this, 561 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: it's going to happen now. Before that, he wasn't in 562 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: the UFC, wasn't even on my radar, never watched. I 563 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: only found out the other day that he was a 564 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 2: two weight world champion in katebox, and I was like, oh, 565 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: you didn't know. Nah, I didn't know. I didn't care. 566 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: I never followed his career, but I bet you every 567 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: fight I fought from my UFC debut he started posting that. 568 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: After my UFC debut he posted a knockout, and then 569 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: after my next fight he posted a knockout, and I 570 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: posted in my third fight in the UFC Tovars. He 571 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: posted it again, trying to make fun of me, and 572 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 2: then people were like, dude, what are you doing, Like 573 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: you're kind of a dickhead for doing this. And then 574 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: now he's made it this far, so good on him, 575 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: Good on him for coming this far. 576 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: So here's the part I don't quite understand. On the 577 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: one hand, you've seen like quite emotionally centered about it, 578 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: which I think you have to be. On the other hand, 579 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: I have heard you say it's personal. It is okay, 580 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: But those seem they seem like contradictions. So so thread 581 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: that needle. For me, it's called duality full metal jacket. 582 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: The duality of man. 583 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, the duality of man. There's no black or white. 584 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: There's always a big gray area. So humans have a complex. 585 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: You know, you can be complex in so many ways 586 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: in vest emotions. But I am yeah, I'm able to. 587 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: I know right now I can't get emotional about what 588 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: am I gonna do? Like, it's not gonna serve me 589 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: in any way to get emotional about it. And again, 590 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: I let this go A long time ago. I even 591 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 2: said to Homeboy, like the Knockout never annoyed me when 592 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: I watched it. When I watched it back, what annoyed me? 593 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: It was round two. I didn't stay true to my style, 594 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 2: you know me, you know my style. I didn't stay 595 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: true to my style the way I picked people apart 596 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: when I hurt them. Even when I call fights I 597 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: see people headhunting, I'm like, yo, go to the body, 598 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: go to the leg I varied my attacks a little 599 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: bit with him, but not enough where I was just 600 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: trying to take him out. I was literally trying to 601 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: take him out. And I don't like that about my style. 602 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 2: So that's what annoyed me. That's what really like got 603 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: to me, Like, fuck, why didn't I stay true to 604 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 2: my style? You know? But yeah, I've let that go. 605 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm not I'm not holding on to 606 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: anything that doesn't serve me, even doesn't serve him. He 607 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 2: can hold on to that knockout because but it's not 608 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: going to serve him when it's Saturday night. It's not 609 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: going to serve him. 610 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: To push back on that a little bit, the knowing 611 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: he has knocked you out. You don't think that would 612 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: serve him. It seems like they would lift him a 613 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: little bit. 614 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: It's not going to serve him in a reality of 615 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 2: things where me and him are locked in the cage. 616 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: It's not going to serve him because once we stopped moving, 617 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 2: once he starts throwing and hidden fresh air, it's not 618 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: gonna what's that going to do for him? 619 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: You mentioned something that I've picked up on that I'm 620 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: kind of curious about, which is that you think he's 621 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: gonna gas now. 622 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 623 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: If you haven't paid attention, then maybe he didn't see 624 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: Did you see his last fight in kickboxing, Artim Vaktov, 625 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: the rematch five. 626 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 2: Round Florida, Na? I didn't. I've never watched this kickbox. 627 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: I know the guy was a light heavyweight. 628 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, Balkatov is very good. He lost the first two 629 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: rounds Wokatov did, and then stormed back the last three, 630 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: and by the fifth it was still kind of close. 631 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: It was a bit of a whole home affair. 632 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 633 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: He seemed did like a little languid. I don't know 634 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: what the word would be. He just didn't seem quite 635 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: what does language mean? Everything was loose. Everything was loose. 636 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: It didn't seem as quite as dialed in as he 637 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: was in the first round, and almost like he seemed 638 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: like he punted on it. I'm wondering, like, if you're 639 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: saying you didn't see that fight, then I guess it 640 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: didn't play a role. But so then tell me what 641 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: you have seen that makes you think that the longer 642 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: this goes, the more decisive yours. 643 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: It's not about him, it's about me. I know where 644 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 2: I can go. I know where I can go. I 645 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: gonna say, but like yesterday, I literally thought we finished. 646 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: I thought we had one more round. When we're doing 647 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 2: our work and they're like, no, we're done. Tim's nodding 648 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: in agreement. Right now, I literally thought we had one 649 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 2: more round. And then that's convinced me by telling me 650 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: the rounds I did to let me know that we finished, 651 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, okay, sweet, Like I know 652 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 2: where I'm at right now. It's not about him, it's 653 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: about me. I know where I'm at right now, and 654 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: I know me. So there's not like this fight's already sold. 655 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: If not, and I would have been talking so much 656 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: shit and whatnot if I'd never thought him before, and 657 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 2: I would probably played the tactic a little different. But 658 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: like I said, this guy's already beaten me. He's beating 659 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: me in the past in a different code and kickboxing, 660 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 2: So it'll be stupid of me to come in here 661 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: and try and like intimidate him. I know he doesn't 662 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: get intimidated easily. Neither does it needed do I, So 663 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 2: it'd be stupid of him and trying all the tactics 664 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: he's doing try and get at me. I find it 665 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 2: funny because I'm like, you think, I'm really gonna give 666 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: a fuck about you doing I don't know, some tennis 667 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: ball mimicry act cost of how that went for him 668 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: making skits about me, and in the sense like Jordan, 669 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: I take that personally, Yeah, I take that personally, but 670 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: Gary Payton exactly. But no, right now, like, there's nothing 671 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: I can do right now, I'm just chilling. I can 672 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: just do on what I can do right now. I'm 673 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: gonna work, cut this weight, rehydrate, and then yeah, when 674 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: it's time to express, I'll express, all right. 675 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: So let me combine two things here that I think 676 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: are happening at once. One is that you've got this 677 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: rivalry with this guy, and that has its own set 678 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: of parameters. The other one, one is that you had 679 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: a bit of backlash after the cannon ear fight, which 680 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're fully aware of, and it almost seems 681 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: like there is a portion of the community that is 682 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: using Pereta as like an avatar for wanting to get 683 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: back at you or to make you lose, or something 684 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: along those lines. Do you feel that he is either 685 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: inadvertently or advertently serving as that kind of role. 686 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: I think he's got a lot of new fans, and 687 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 2: it's just a lot of people who don't want me to, 688 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: you know, to be where I'm at. So they're like this, 689 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: Suddenly they have Pereira fans and oh my god, he's 690 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: the greatest, and they watch a few highlights. We're in 691 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: the TikTok generation, Luke. You know, these guys don't have 692 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: the attention span even more than a goldfish. They just 693 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: move onto the next thing. So I know for a 694 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: fact none of these cons fucking sat down and watched 695 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: the first fight and sat down and watched the second fight, 696 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: or any of my kickwalks. They watch highlights and they 697 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: see the highlights and thing oh and they get sold. 698 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: Samely happened with what samely happened with Costa. All these 699 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: guys they just think like, this is the guy. Sorry, 700 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: And then once I take care of this guy, what 701 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: are they going to say? After that? They'll find something 702 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: else to say. They'll say he's on steroids, or he 703 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: did this, he did that. You know, they'll find something 704 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: else to say. They always do, all right. 705 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: So one of the things that I it's not that 706 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: I endorse the criticism because I don't I don't like. 707 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: So one of the things they say they don't I 708 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: don't really agree with. But there is something I have noticed. 709 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: Or you've been fighting in UFC a number of times, right, 710 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: You've been there for years at this point, and some 711 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: of your fights have gone the full many of your 712 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: fights have gone the full distance. In fact, I think 713 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: that the last three or four have all gone the 714 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: full distance. There's a lot of tape on you. There's 715 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: just a lot of tape on you. It seemed to 716 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: me from what I could tell from the cannon near 717 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: fight was he couldn't get over the hump to launch 718 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: any meaningful offense. But even you have acknowledged that. Emmy 719 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: lab had that guy ready. Yeah, and so your peers, 720 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say, have fully caught up with you. 721 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: Is I don't think that's true. Hear me out, hear 722 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: me out, Let me get the question out. But they 723 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: have defensively found a comfortable place to survive. 724 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 725 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: Right, And but that does create a bit of a 726 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: stall out effect for the fans watching. Is this an 727 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: act You're an assessment in your mind? 728 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 2: I think so. And that's why I I've changed a 729 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: lot of a lot of my uh, let me find 730 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: a way to put this without giving anything away. Ah, 731 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: I've changed the way I moved the board, the chess 732 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: pieces on the board, put it that way. Like, what 733 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: do you say, Gary Casper? Yeah, he's got that move. 734 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: I've found my own moves that I can use to 735 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: surprise them where they're like, what the fuck is this? 736 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, and this is why I'm thirty three. I'm 737 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: still learning in this game. A lot of things are 738 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: still given to me. I'm surprising myself in this camp, 739 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: surprising myself with the work that I'm getting out of myself. 740 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: So yeah, I've got my own moves. I know how 741 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: to move. Yeah, how do you stay so injury free? 742 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: By the way, I gotta say, it's one of the 743 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: more remarkable things that never gets discussed, that you're able 744 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: to be this. It's just it's just bizarre because you know, 745 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: it's so funny. We were in Arizona like two weeks 746 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: ago for the Jake Paul fight, and like, you talked 747 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: to We talked to you Riyah Hall and he was like, 748 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: oh my god, Like the injury load is so much 749 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: less training boxing. It's just hard to train mma, MMA. 750 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: That's the thing people forget there's so many fastest of 751 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: martial arts you have to learn. Even for this camp, 752 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: I had to pick and choose, like what am I 753 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: going to give my attention to? Because you only have 754 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: so much time in a day, you know, and there's 755 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: only so much I can do, So I have to 756 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: pick and choose, and my coaches as well, what we 757 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 2: can put our attention to it would really benefit us 758 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: for this fight. 759 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: Why do you think or actually, you tell me how 760 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: you think you're understood, but why do you think there 761 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: is a portion of the fan base that doesn't understand 762 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: you on the way you'd. 763 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 2: Like to be understood because they're stupid. 764 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: That's that's a very simple explanation. Okay, well I'll put. 765 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: It this way. Okay, it is, but that's that's the 766 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: generic way. But the thing is they have not done 767 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: the work that we have. They've not done the work 768 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: that you have. You you're a guy who studies the game, 769 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: the intricacies of the game. You're a guy who studies 770 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: you know, outside footwork, control, the range finders, you know 771 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,959 Speaker 2: what kind of pros this guy's using. Level changes. We 772 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 2: study this shit. So someone who's watching me fight, mean, 773 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: when I was watching the Nis Silva Jake Paul fight. 774 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: I was impressed with Jake, but I was fucking just 775 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: nostalgia watching Anderson, like fuck, this is cool. Like, yes, 776 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 2: I see Floyd Maywell on Instagram hitting the paths and 777 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm excited because he's a master of 778 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: what he does and still seeing him move it's beautiful 779 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: to me. That's art, you know, So people aren't really 780 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: appreciative of art. Yeah, a lot of these people are 781 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: just too drunk, you know. They were they at the 782 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: fights by four pm, five pm, they're they're drinking. And 783 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: by the time my fight comes around, ah, yeah, knock 784 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: him out, come on, man, standing him up, breath, knock 785 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 2: him out. 786 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: That's a pretty good American accent, I know. 787 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: But for me, I think I said, yeah, they're stupid, 788 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: but I just feel like they're not as educated on 789 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: what we're doing. So we forgive them for they don't 790 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: know what they're doing. 791 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: So if I had to ask you who you're fighting 792 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: for this weekend, you're gonna say you first. 793 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course me. I fight for myself. I'm fighting 794 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: for my family, I'm fighting for my team and my 795 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 2: those people. Well, for me, it's always me. 796 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So on the U part, are you fighting to 797 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: close this chapter? Are you fighting to right or wrong? 798 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: How do you how do you characterize beating potato? What 799 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: does that actually mean to you? In the ak of 800 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: my story? And this is like you know me and 801 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: my anime and my story lines and whatnot. This is 802 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: the ok of my story where I pretty much just 803 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: close this chapter and then he might resurrect and come back. 804 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: But what is that long number fifteen? Crush your enemies totally. 805 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: You leave no amber, you leave no sign of life 806 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 2: because they might come back for revenge. So you should 807 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: have killed me in Brazil. But this time when I 808 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 2: crush him, it's total. 809 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: I know you won't tell me the answer, so I'm 810 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: gonna ask it this way. Would knocking him out or 811 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: TKO stoppage be as equally satisfying as a stoppage you 812 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: got from potentially wrestling him and then TKO ground and. 813 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 2: Pound wrestling, That's interesting? 814 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: Those equally satisfying to you? 815 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: Just fucking putting him in the ground, burying him, That's 816 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 2: that's satisfying. Even if I decisioned him. Let me see, I. 817 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: Guess what I mean is there is there a pride 818 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: angle to this being like I can beat this guy 819 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: with my kickboxing. 820 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I know I can. That doesn't 821 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 2: know my ego doesn't know. No, actually no, if I 822 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 2: submit him, what about that? If he you know, he 823 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 2: gets rocked and he shoots, you know, and then becomes 824 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: a wrestler and then oh shit, I snatched his neck 825 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: and submit him and that's it. I'll be happy with that. 826 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: I'll be very happy even if I beat him by decision. 827 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 2: It's just I beat him, that's the main thing. First 828 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: time he beat me by decision, I beat him. But 829 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: the thing is a slide. We're on this level now, 830 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 2: were on a level where he is only here because 831 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 2: of me. There's no reason he should be here. He's blessed. 832 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: He's building his whole career off my back. So I 833 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: want to send him back. 834 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: It's also weird where like, uh, if you beat him, 835 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: what is what is there left at middle? 836 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: I haven't looked. I don't want to look. I have 837 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: a few guys I would like, like Sean, I want 838 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 2: to whoop that guy just for fun, but he needs 839 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: to show me something Strickland. Yeah, I want to destroy 840 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 2: him just for fun, my own benefit. But apart from him. 841 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: He's got very loud opinions. 842 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, very stupidly. I respect him. 843 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: He's a good fighter. 844 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 2: I respect him. I like his coach very much, not 845 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 2: even like as a fighter. Like I respect the fact 846 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 2: he speaks his mind. I do it as well. But 847 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 2: I respect the fact he openly and stupidly sometimes speaks 848 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 2: his mind. I can respect that. 849 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: Uh you would actually so. I have seen you in person, 850 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: but we didn't have this interaction. I saw you with 851 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: the UFC two seventy six presser, ye, where you were 852 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 1: turning around, turning around you. I watched you ice grillata 853 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 1: at that one. What was that about. 854 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 2: I was just in the moment. I was in the 855 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: moment at that time. Sometimes the beast can like poke 856 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 2: his head out and not to reel it back in 857 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: like nah, Chill, champion Chill. I feel that every fight camp, 858 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 2: uh since probably I started happening not a long time ago. 859 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 2: But the most prominent one was the cost A fight. 860 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 2: And I was really like practicing patience in that one 861 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 2: because I was like my buddy was ready to go, 862 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 2: My mind was ready to go, and whenever I ran 863 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: to cost A, life like the beast have you seen 864 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 2: Split the movie. 865 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: Oh with James mclavoy, Not recently, yeah, maybe on a plane. 866 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 2: One he talks about the beast, and the beast will 867 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 2: sometimes poke its head out off to be like, yo, chill, 868 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 2: I catch myself and I'm just like, I can feel 869 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 2: it just from the guts and your instincts. Your body's 870 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 2: just primed and ready for war. Because I don't do 871 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 2: the shit for fun. I'm trying to. I'm going to war, 872 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 2: so I asked, sometimes just chill. It's not yet ready. 873 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 2: It's not yet ready, not time. 874 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: So it's two o five still inevitable. 875 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 2: Like if you beat him, do it, Yeah, eventually, but 876 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 2: right now I want to have a run at one 877 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 2: eighty five. So I'm just gonna smoke everyone at one 878 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 2: a five and then move up. 879 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: Have you some of your contenders in the division? I 880 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: don't know if you pay attention. Hum's out. Your Maya 881 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: likes his chances against you? 882 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 2: Have you? He talked, he likes his chances against everyone. 883 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: So he has a maniac What do you make of 884 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: what he's been up to? 885 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 2: Fucking you Look at one seventy. Look at who he 886 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: has to fight at one seventy. So focus on that first, 887 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 2: or just move on and he's not going to get 888 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 2: a short straight away that show me something, show me 889 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 2: at least. I'm tired of this ship like people think 890 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 2: they can just like I got a shot straight away 891 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 2: at the two or five champ because I've shown people something, 892 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, so he needs to show me 893 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 2: something first. 894 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you paid attention that made the 895 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: headlines today or yesterday, Bo Nickel, did you see his 896 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: comments about you. I think he said something like it 897 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: would be basically impossible for you to not be submitted 898 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: by him. Something along those lines. Okay, same same thing, 899 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: show you something. 900 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 2: Everyone has an opinion, so he has a right to 901 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: his opinion. 902 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: It is weird that they're not that those guys think 903 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: that they can win. But it is weird that there's 904 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: this lingering like, oh I have to do is take 905 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: is he down? Kind of thing? Right? 906 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: No one has ever tried, because no one's ever tried 907 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 2: to take me down and submit me. 908 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: It is, but it's this enduring kind of bizarre criticism 909 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: a little. 910 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 2: Bit, right, Yeah it is. I think it is. And 911 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 2: also yeah, I think everyone just I mean, I could 912 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 2: say whatever I want to say about him as well. 913 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: I actually gave him props. I was like, yeah, he's 914 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 2: doing what he's doing, but I like to see more. 915 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 2: He's only just got here, and I know he's a 916 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 2: decorated wrestler, but this is not wrestling. This is MMA, 917 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 2: and there's ways to exploit wrestlers in MMA. 918 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: Circling back to the fans for just a second, or 919 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: I should say MMA more broadly the community, because it's 920 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 1: not really just the fans, it's kind of everyone in between. 921 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: It sounds like, from what I can tell, you've if 922 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: this is you don't want to be any more famous 923 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: than you already are. Like this sounds to me like 924 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: rich richer, right, But there's there's a difference between having 925 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: a lot of money and being famous about it. It 926 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: sounds like you have had enough of that. If this 927 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: is all whatever is in terms of fame, you're good. 928 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 2: It sounds like, yeah, I'm fine. But I've kind of 929 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 2: accepted though, because I used to have this in my 930 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 2: head where I'm like, when I'm done with this game, 931 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna fade away and this and that, 932 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 2: and then knowing people slowly know will bother me in this. 933 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 2: But I've kind of accepted that this is going to 934 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 2: be my life forever, and I'm only going to keep 935 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 2: going up because I'm only going to keep being me. 936 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 2: I look at guys like when I hang out with 937 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: Mike Tyson, I see the way and talking to him 938 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 2: as well. I see the way his life is. He 939 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 2: can all go anywhere anywhere without him being Mike Tyson. 940 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 2: I'm out there yet, not saying I'm even you know 941 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 2: where he's at, but I know with what I'm doing 942 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 2: in this game and the way I keep progressing, it's 943 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 2: going to get to the point where it's it gets 944 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 2: like that. So I have to be I have to 945 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 2: be very cautious and very aware that I can't. I 946 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: can't shy away from it. I have to accept this 947 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 2: as part of my life and just stand in my light. 948 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: And so it sounds to me based on that, Okay, 949 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: let me ask a slightly different way, assuming everything goes 950 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: your way on Saturday, What's what's on the combat sports 951 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: bucket list for you at this point? Like, it's it's 952 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: not that you couldn't get more wins, it's not that 953 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: you couldn't like rack up numbers. But I guess I'm 954 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: just trying to wonder in your mind what remains unconquered. Obviously, 955 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: ox Prett is a really big thing to figure out. 956 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 2: I actually haven't looked past or even peaked normally. I 957 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 2: peak at the future, I see who's next. I did 958 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 2: that the last three fights. I'm like, okay, I think 959 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 2: I probably have to do Victoria cannoneer. I peak this one, 960 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 2: no peaky, no looking. I just straight focus on Perreira. 961 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 2: That's it. He's the only guy in my in my 962 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 2: cross hairs right now. So yeah, I'm looking past him. 963 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 2: What are the. 964 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 1: Folks in New Zealand saying about this contest? 965 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't really been keeping my air 966 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 2: to the streets. I've just literally nosed down, grinding. I've 967 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 2: just been working. I haven't really I even read the 968 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 2: fucking news or anything like that, because they don't really 969 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 2: have anything nice to say. They always have some salacious 970 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 2: article about someone. So yeah, for me, I just literally 971 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 2: focus my mind my own business. Put it that way, 972 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 2: I'll be minding my business. 973 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're certainly a minding your business in this palatial estate. 974 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy. Well, I will say that this has 975 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: been a wonderful conversation. I hope it's not another three 976 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: and a half years before I talk to I don't. 977 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 2: Think it will be. Yeah. When you yeah, you reached 978 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 2: out and I was like, yeah, I gotta talk to Luke 979 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 2: because I like I like the fact because even with 980 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 2: my my freestyle bendo, when I give breakdowns, I hold 981 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: back a lot. I don't get too deep because I 982 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 2: know you do. I know you do. 983 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: I can see you. 984 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I know because you didn't even said like fuck, 985 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 2: you could piss in a cup and then watch He's 986 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 2: rights like stop talking because he and he told me 987 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 2: this because he as a coach, would watch that and 988 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 2: then see he'd get a lot from that. He would 989 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 2: get a lot from that. So he pretty much just 990 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 2: asked me just just keep it basic. Don't try and 991 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 2: give too much away, because you're giving away your intellectual property, 992 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 2: our intellectual property. So yeah, that's why I hold back 993 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 2: a lot. So when I get to talk to a 994 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 2: guy like you, you know, I can just a little bit. 995 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 2: But we can go deep on this fight, bro, we 996 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 2: can really go deep on this fight. And those who 997 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,439 Speaker 2: know who'll been watching my work, man, I say less 998 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 2: because then you know he's hyping the fight again. It's 999 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 2: just a jab and leg kick, which I might, which 1000 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 2: I might because they work. So yeah, it's been fun 1001 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 2: and I look forward. 1002 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: To doing this again real quickly. Before you go, why 1003 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: did you start the YouTube channel for fun? 1004 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 2: My brother David. I've been told for years to do 1005 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 2: it when I go in the UFC, So shots to 1006 00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 2: my brother David. He's the one that had pretty much 1007 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 2: just stick spearheaded it just made sure it happen. And 1008 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 2: I'm glad he did because within the year and now 1009 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 2: some more, we've just shut up and I'm excited about 1010 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 2: what we're doing. And also it just gives me another 1011 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 2: avenue to be able to express and also get the 1012 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 2: news from the horse's mouth, because I got tired of 1013 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 2: these fucking gotcha journalists with the clickbait headlines. 1014 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, sorry, I got one more about that. 1015 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 2: Before you are right. 1016 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is why the YouTube channels to be 1017 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: is kind of interesting. Is that is when you present 1018 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: it to the world, it's your message. You're David. Edits 1019 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: the video. I'm sure you see it. 1020 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,800 Speaker 2: Dehydrated. Edits it. That's the guy, and then Jeff films 1021 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 2: it as well. 1022 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: Okay, but it's yours and it feels like if you 1023 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: don't have that control, that there is a strong capacity 1024 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: to be for someone else to define the terms of 1025 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: how you look. 1026 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 2: You have to sound a narrative, You have to control 1027 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 2: a narrative. So and I you know, whenever a video 1028 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 2: comes out, David sends it for me for approval, I 1029 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 2: give it the okay boom. Within maybe the first twenty 1030 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 2: four hours, I'll have a look at the comments and 1031 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 2: it's all positive. Yes, and it's all positive. I've noticed that. Yeah, 1032 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm just like, man, it's like people when they see 1033 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 2: me just being myself, they're like, oh my god, he's so, 1034 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 2: he's so this, he's so. I want to kick it 1035 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 2: with him. But when someone else gets something from the 1036 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 2: presser and they ask a clickbait headline question, ah got 1037 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 2: your boom blah blah blah blah blah, and then be oh, 1038 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 2: he's this, he's that, I'm just like, that's not even 1039 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 2: what I said. That's not how I meant it. That 1040 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 2: was you did't even hear the first part of the response. 1041 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'd rather people get it from the horse's mouth, 1042 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 2: get it from the source. 1043 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: The source. All right. So after the two seventy six fight. 1044 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: You go to the media event and you told them 1045 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: I can do your job. 1046 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,760 Speaker 2: You can. What prompted that same thing because I felt 1047 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 2: like I was being misquoted or I'm misquoted. But like 1048 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 2: also I got some rumblings of some because I stopped 1049 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 2: doing like interviews with a lot of people, not because 1050 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 2: because I felt like it's no need. I have my YouTube, now, 1051 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 2: why don't I have to do this guy show, this 1052 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 2: guy's showing, this guy's showing, this girl showing this person's show. 1053 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 2: I'm like, all I'm good is giving you free money? 1054 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 2: Cause I know how YouTube works now, I literally know 1055 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 2: how it works. So I'm like, if I give you 1056 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 2: my time, you get ad revenue and you also get 1057 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 2: money off that. It's like, well, you don't give me 1058 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 2: none of that. It's like, why am I giving you this? 1059 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 2: And also, Dan, you clip bait, you know, headline me 1060 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 2: and then misquote me and then get that clip put 1061 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 2: on your Instagram And I'm just like, nah, I'm good. 1062 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 2: So now I pick and choose who I want to 1063 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 2: give time to because I appreciate them like yourself, so 1064 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 2: I wanna yeah. And then people took that personally and 1065 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,359 Speaker 2: I was hearing it always gets back to me because 1066 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 2: I'm me. People were trying guess what this person said 1067 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,280 Speaker 2: about you, you know what I mean. So I always 1068 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 2: gets back to me. So I heard and I was like, nah, 1069 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 2: fuck these guys. So I got to remind them, like 1070 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 2: and I can. It's like, trust me, I could. You know, 1071 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 2: no disrespect to any journalists out there, but I could 1072 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 2: do what you do, but they can never do what 1073 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 2: I do. And then something I can hit it back, 1074 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 2: so I can do what you do. Cool, get in 1075 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 2: the UFC, go, I have one fight and talk to me. 1076 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 2: You know. I respect people like you who actually enjoy 1077 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 2: the game and respect the athletes, you know, rather than 1078 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 2: trying to get headlines, wants to be first. 1079 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't do a ton of interviews. Yeah you know 1080 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: what I mean. 1081 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 2: I appreciate that you do. You and your guy, you 1082 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 2: know you do, go to work on the combat corna 1083 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 2: morning combat Okay, comeback? Con is different morning comeback? 1084 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, we try. Well, Champ, I gotta tell you, 1085 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what else to ask you at this point, 1086 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: but uh well there's a bunch of off the record 1087 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: ones I can ask you later. Yeah, but I will 1088 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,720 Speaker 1: tell you this. I am eagerly excited for Saturday, and 1089 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,720 Speaker 1: it's a big one for you man. Oh last thing, promise, 1090 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: the last question to see in all your title defenses? 1091 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 2: Where does this one? 1092 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: What is this one? Right? 1093 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 2: All six of them? This will be the best one yet. 1094 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 2: This will be when I get it done, This will 1095 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 2: be the most satisfying bet so far. The it's between 1096 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 2: the robin and the cost of one. 1097 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: Cost of one was big. Yeah, that was big. You 1098 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: humped them. 1099 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 2: I was flawless them. 1100 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: That was That was a lot, by the way, that 1101 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: was a lot. 1102 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 2: Tat too tap. But this will be the best one. Yeah, 1103 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 2: but again patiently waiting by my time and I can't 1104 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 2: wait to get work done so I can have the 1105 00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 2: last laugh. 1106 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: I will leave it at that champ. Thank you for 1107 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: your time, and we can see you on Saturday. 1108 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 2: So