1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Danny Parkins co host breakfast Ball, the winner of the 2 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: mythical FS one NFL Picks Championship. It should be noted 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: it's just like the USA Today High School Basketball Championship. 4 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: It's all mythical, so let's not go crazy on this ship. 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: It is definitely. 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: True that I only made it a competition between you, 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: me and Nick once I started to crush it and 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: distance myself off the field. So you know, going into 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: next year, if I start four and nine, you know, 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: it's just luck. 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: But when I'm crushing it, it's skill. And you guys 12 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: are in a competition you didn't even know you had entered. 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: You know, I said I've had three of my favorite shows. 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: I would say in the last ten years, I have 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: had the last three shows in a row. I've had 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: about as much fun as I can have at this 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: point of thirty years. WAG So because I love free agency, 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: I love the movement. I love when stuff breaks on 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: the show. You know, I just I Sometimes I think, 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, the audience thinks we love football and football season, 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: but I actually find it more challenging when the season's 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: over and we have to sit there for two hours 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: in the morning and figure out ways to be compelling, 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: and there's not a lot out there. So this week 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: it's basically you've got B level players sometimes C plus 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: players transitioning to bad teams. And yet I had so 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: much damn fun this week, and I want to start 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: with the Bears because I honestly, and I don't remember 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: the last time I thought this. I it's obvious Ben 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: Johnson now runs the organization because he basically by acquiring 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: a guard a center, a guard is telling Ryan Pole, 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: your picks were not good. You know the organization. Well, 33 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: that's my take is there are certain coaches. Rabel and 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: New England is running the show. Belichick for years ran 35 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: the show. Mcvay's got a lot of power in Los Angeles, 36 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: whereas Brett Veat really runs personnel because Andy Reid doesn't 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: want to do it. Sean Payton's running Denver. Didn't it 38 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: feel like to you this is all Ben Johnson's stamp. 39 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: So I've heard you say this, and I think that 40 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: you're like eighty five to ninety percent correct. Ben Johnson 41 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: clearly now outranks Ryan Poles. And it's not a straight 42 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: like who makes more money, but it kind of is. 43 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: Ben Johnson makes considerably more money than Ryan Poles, and 44 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: obviously Ryan poles Is stock is down and Ben Johnson's 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: stock could not have been higher. So Ben Johnson has 46 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: more say. And the Jonah Jackson move is directly tied 47 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: to Ben Johnson. And that was the first move that happened. 48 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: They traded a late round pick for a guard from 49 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: the Rams who had been a former pro bowler, but 50 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: before he was with the Rams, he had been with 51 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: the Lions and Ben Johnson. Obviously the Lions have the 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: best offensive line them and the Eagles in the NFL. 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: He knows how valuable that is. I think Ryan Poles 54 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: has taken a little too much heat in this regard. 55 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: He was Matt Ryan's offensive lineman at BC. He is 56 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: a former offensive lineman. He was on a practice squad 57 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: in the NFL as an offensive lineman. His first ever 58 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: first rounds pick because the first year he didn't have 59 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: a first round pick because the previous regime had traded 60 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: one way to acquire justin fields. So his first year, 61 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: his first raft, he had two second round picks, and 62 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: he took Kyler Gordon and Jakwan Brisker, who are both 63 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: starting players in the secondary and then the next year, 64 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: when he had the ninth overall pick, he traded down 65 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: one spot, passed up Jalen Carter. I disagreed with it, 66 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: but he didn't think the organization was ready for the headache, 67 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: and he took Darnell Wright, who looks like he's going 68 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: to be the right tackle for the team for ten years. 69 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: Maybe not an All Pro, but he looks damn good. 70 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: But he yeah going to get us. And some of 71 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: the draft people were like, should it have been Broderick Jones, 72 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: the guy who went I think seventeen to the Steelers, 73 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: who wasn't able to start for a year plus and 74 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 2: definitely is not guaranteed to be a ten year starter 75 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: in the NFL. 76 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: And then so. 77 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: I think first time he had a first round pick, 78 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 2: he drafted a tackle. He gave Nate Davis money. Nate 79 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: Davis had a pretty good reputation. Mark Schlereth has told 80 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: me that he's like Nate Davis was one of my 81 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: favorite guards in the NFL when he was in Tennessee 82 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: Atlanta at taper off a little bit, Bear's paid him, 83 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: and it looks like Nate Davis got paid and stopped trying. Ye, So, 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: but it's not like that guy didn't have good tape, 85 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: and it's not like people didn't like him, and it's 86 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: not like that wasn't a significant investment in the offensive line. 87 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: Kevin Jenkins was a former second round pick as a 88 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 2: tackle who he moved to left guard Ryan Poles did, 89 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: and he was a better guard than tackle. But then 90 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: he got hurt and he can't stay on the field 91 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: and he never invested in center, which was has been 92 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: a disaster. 93 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: That Bears literally haven't had a good center since Olin Kreutz. 94 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: And left tackle is Braxton Jones, who I would not 95 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 2: say is good, but I would also not say is bad. 96 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: He's a replacement level player that Ryan Poles drafted in 97 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: the fifth round out of Southern Utah. That's a draft win. 98 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: What happened last year was a mediocre offensive line got 99 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: hurt with a rookie quarterback, and you fired your play 100 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: caller and your head coach so you couldn't scheme around it. 101 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: The offensive line was a disaster. Your quarterback got hit 102 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 2: six eight times, and it became a fire alarm, like 103 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: this is we're going to get Kayleb Williams killed. We 104 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: are like really flirting with David Carr level of sabotage 105 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: here if we don't overhaul it. So that's long winded 106 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: and maybe a little bit more in the weeds than 107 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: people that don't follow the Bears want to know. But like, 108 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: I don't think it's that Ryan Poles doesn't prioritize the 109 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: offensive line. I think it's that when he took over, 110 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: he had such limited resources with draft capital that it 111 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: took a while. And last year was never supposed to 112 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: be a good offensive line, but it wasn't supposed to 113 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: be that bad. And I think that anybody would have 114 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: spent on the offensive line this offseason, but Ben Johnson 115 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: kind of turbo charged it, and so he gets credit 116 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: for it. 117 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: But I can't. 118 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 2: I have a hard time believing that a smart guy 119 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: who came up under Brett Vik who by the way, 120 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: I'll add one more detail. He was the director of 121 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: college personnel in Kansas City when they lost that Super 122 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: Bowl to Tampa, And in the off season they signed 123 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: Joe Tooney, they drafted Creed Humphrey, and they drafted Tray Smith. 124 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: Creed Humphrey now set the market at center, Tray Smith 125 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: set the market at guard, and now Joe Tooney's a 126 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: Bear and he was an All Pro for a couple 127 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: of years in Kansas City. So he was in Kansas 128 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: City when Mahomes got killed in a Super Bowl, they 129 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: brought in three new offensive linemen. He's the GM in Chicago, 130 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: when Kayleb Williams got killed, they brought in three offensive linemen, 131 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: one of whom is literally the same guy they brought 132 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: in Kansas City. So I think Ryan Pohls knows about 133 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: the offensive line, cares about the offensive line, prioritizes the 134 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: offensive line. He just made a couple of bad mistakes 135 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: Nate Davis most principally not investing in a real center 136 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: probably right behind it, and he underestimated how little. 137 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: Depth he had to protect Kayleb Williams last year? Is 138 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: there anything that I mean? They have the Vikings back 139 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: to back in London. I don't like Minnesota like everybody else. 140 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: I think they're a fourth place team. Was there anything 141 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: about the schedule that jumped out to you? 142 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: I think when you look at I lump Minnesota in 143 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: Chicago in the same thing, I got thirty years of history. 144 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: Green Bay every year, for the most part, is ten 145 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: plus wins right right in the Lions. Now, I think 146 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: have established themselves. What happens in the playoffs, who knows, 147 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: but they're going to be a double digit win team. 148 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: When you look at the Bears and you look at 149 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: Minnesota because of the divisions that they drew this year 150 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: in the rotation, it's hard and the pressure. Listen this 151 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: Caleb thing, I'm sure we'll talk about it. A lot 152 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 3: of pressure on him, a lot of pressure on the Bears, 153 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on McCarthy. And the pressure is 154 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: not like on DJ Moore or Justin Jefferson. It's squarely 155 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: on the quarterback. And these games, like you said, you open, 156 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: you open your your NFL career at Chicago. 157 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: That's just that's tough. 158 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: And hell, you could argue the same thing on the 159 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: flip side about at Caleb Williams, your first game with 160 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 3: his new coach Monday night. For everyone watching, these are 161 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: intense environments on these two quarterbacks. Now, Caleb has some 162 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 3: seasoning like he JJ does not in terms of ever 163 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: played a regular season game. But I think those two 164 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: schedules for those two guys, not every team in this 165 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: division can win ten plus games. One of these teams 166 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 3: is going to go eight or nine or worse. Right, 167 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: it's gonna be one of those two teams. I don't 168 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 3: know which one. Like, I know Kevin O'Connell can be 169 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: a head coach. I love the Vikings roster, but man, 170 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: this guy's never started a regular season game. If you 171 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: told me right now he's a top fifteen quarterback, I'd 172 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: be like, they'll win ten or eleven games, no problem. 173 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: But if you tell me it's Rocky, I don't care 174 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 3: how you could have ten justin Jeffersons, if your quarterback 175 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: plays overwhelmed, it's hard. I mean we see it every year. 176 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 3: Good teams are the quarterback plays. 177 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: Well and screwed, and the Packers drafted a first round 178 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: round wide receiver. The Lions are stacked offensively. The Bears 179 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: has been a fortunother offensive line. JJ McCarthy's gonna have 180 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: to throw the ball thirty five times. This is not 181 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: a defensive division. This is not the AFC nor this 182 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: is the NFC North and it is going to be 183 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: a track meet. And so that's my question with JJ McCarthy. 184 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: I would feel differently if you were in a different division. 185 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: But Detroit is stacked offensively with the best of line 186 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: in the league. You can say what you want about. 187 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is going to be better with Caleb Williams 188 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: than Matti. Everflus and Dolmen and Toney changed the offensive line. Yeah, 189 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: and then you know green Bay's Green Bay. They went 190 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: and got another wider receiver, which tells you we're going 191 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: to make this Jordan love thing work. And it wasn't 192 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: terrible last year. There was some bumps. So my thing 193 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: is McCarthy, who never threw the ball at Michigan, is 194 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: going to be asked to throw the ball forty times 195 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: a game a lot because either they'll be trailing or 196 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: they'll be in shootouts. This is going to be a 197 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: shootout division. So I just don't love them with that 198 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: is the marquet of the movie. 199 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: But do you feel comfortable? I mean, listen, we have 200 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 3: a strong recent history of these young offensive coordinators hitting 201 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: the ground, running and being stars. Some of them get 202 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: overwhelmed historically in the league, like Ben Johnson. It is 203 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: this is not an easy first job, right. It's like 204 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 3: solid with the Jets. A lot of people are watching. 205 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: There's a ton of hype. The Caleb stuff is already 206 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: even though it's weird. Right, everything we're talking about today 207 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: in this article is based on something eighteen months ago. 208 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: It's not like he just said this yesterday. But still, 209 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 3: I mean, this is something that carries with you. I 210 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 3: think there's a ton of pressure on him because I 211 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 3: would say the same thing about Caleb, like he's just 212 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 3: gonna outduel the Lafor's offense and the Lions group. I 213 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: mean it's gonna be hard, Like he's gonna get in 214 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: some shootouts. You know, he kind of freelanced now he's 215 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: more comfortable. He has a history, he is used to. 216 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: I've been in shootouts, so I can play like that 217 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: JJ was not. I mean JJ was on a team 218 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: that I mean was the big Ohio State is always 219 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: built like an SEC team, but Hardball built that thing 220 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 3: like an SEC team with unlimited NFL players where they 221 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: hand the ball off and they play defense. 222 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's right, one of those two teams. 223 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: I gotta give it a little more time, but it's 224 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: just not going to go as well is to hype 225 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: because the expectations I would say for I mean for Minnesota, 226 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: they have a what do you think a top six 227 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: to seven roster in the NFL minus the quarterback. I 228 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: mean they got one of the better teams in the 229 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: NFL top to bottom, and I say the Bears have 230 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: a pretty damn good roster too. 231 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: Oh, I totally think I think Chicago's offensive you go line, 232 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: tight end, receivers and Ben Johnson, I just don't see, 233 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, go look at Hackett to Sean Payton. 234 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: It was a touchdown to eight points a game, and 235 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: I think eber Flews to Ben Johnson is probably somewhere 236 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: between a field goal and six points a game. 237 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: But here's the thing, though, Colin, and this is what 238 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: I get back to with the coordinator Ben with Detroit, 239 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: who was just became like Kyle shanahan or mcpagh or whoever. 240 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: All he had to worry about was the place right now. 241 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: On Monday. What happens when you're a backup safety got 242 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: a DUI on Tuesday. Hey, this guy turns out he 243 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: shattered his ankle. Like you have all this other stuff coming. 244 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 3: You can't just sit there and scheme plays NonStop, especially 245 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: the first time head coach, and then when the game's 246 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: going on, you got to manage the cl You've got 247 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: a lot going on for the first time ever, it's 248 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: just a tougher transition. And that's where Kevin O'Connell, to me, 249 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: has a big advantage. He is used to just being 250 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 3: the play caller slash the boss. Like there is a 251 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: learning If you told me, hey, John, you not only 252 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: need to get all the content and record a podcast, 253 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: we now need you to run the sales and the 254 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: graphics and do some cuts you need to do, it'd 255 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: be a curve for a couple of months of me 256 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: figuring out how to manage everything right. So that's I'm 257 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: always just hesitant when it comes to guys first time 258 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 3: head coaches, Like think how much easier Pete Carroll. He's 259 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: sitting in that desk he's very comfortable in, you know, 260 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: telling who what to do when like he's just done 261 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: it before. So that's that's the only thing. And I'm 262 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: not anti Ben Johnson. I mean what he did the 263 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: last couple of years was awesome. It is just a 264 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: lot harder taking on a lot more responsibility and trying 265 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: to maintain your boy genius kind of narrative. The way 266 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: everyone talks. 267 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: About him, like, you know, the Kleeb thing is funny. 268 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: So I went on Chicago radio a year ago for 269 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: the Draft, and I don't do a lot of local 270 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: radio shows because I don't know who the people are, 271 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: and you know they you can get burned. But I 272 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: knew I was going to move to Chicago. So I 273 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: go on the Chicago radio station. I forget which one, 274 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: and I say, you know, I'm being told that it's 275 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. Would ideally his dad would not want him 276 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: to go to Chicago, but he's going to bite the 277 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: bullet and he loves the city and he wants to 278 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: he wants to be the first Great Bears quarterback. Well, 279 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: I go off the air and somebody sends me something 280 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: or a clip or something. They basically dogged my sources. 281 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: Coward doesn't know anything. Well, it comes out Seth Wickersham 282 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: basically today came out and said yeah, basically his dad 283 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: didn't want him to go there. He's got multiple quotes, 284 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, may have been that Seth and 285 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: I had some of the same sources. He had agents. 286 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: Apparently Seth that talked to his dad have been multiple agents. 287 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: I didn't get it from Caleb's dad, but I did 288 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: get it from people very close to Caleb, and so 289 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: I think it was the same station reached out and said, hey, 290 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: you want to come back on and spike the football, 291 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I'm going to pass on that. 292 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not bitter, but it's like, you know, 293 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: if I give you that, if you if I give 294 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: you the time, don't question my sources. You don't have 295 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: to like my opinion. But you know, I wouldn't go 296 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: on and make stuff up. So and the truth was, 297 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: and I was, didn't. 298 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: Caleb kind of come out or like some of his 299 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: people right away after you said that and say it's 300 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: kind of right. 301 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well they said we're good, We're good. Of course 302 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: they did. They don't and I and you know, like 303 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: I knew the game. That's why I didn't react to that. 304 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: I knew what was going on. I knew what I'd 305 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: been told. The knew it was the truth. Somebody who 306 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: had been good never burned me. It was fourth or 307 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: fifth time I've gotten good information from somebody. But the 308 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: point was I didn't blame him. I said, yeah, if 309 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: my son was a quarterback, I wouldn't want him to 310 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: play for the Bears. I've never had a four thousand 311 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: yeard passer. That's literally impossible. That's like right, driving a 312 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: car for your entire life and never having like a 313 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: parking ticket or a speeding ticket. It's just gonna happen. 314 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: It's inevitable, right like and so any And when the 315 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: story came out today, my take is it just doesn't 316 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: bother me. Like they looked into you know, what could 317 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: they do legally and they said, yeah, the only way 318 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: around it is just to do an L way and 319 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: go public and let's just let's just not do it. 320 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: But it doesn't bother me. We've got an ELI situation, 321 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: We've got an L way, and I think the Bears 322 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: are historically unique. It's they've just never done that position, right? 323 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: Does it bother you? Now that Seth Wickersham comes out 324 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: and says, yeah, they thought about making a stink. 325 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: No, I mean, ultimately, I don't really give a shit, 326 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: but I would say this. I don't think it helps Kaleb. 327 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: And I always take the stance of like, I never 328 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: blame you know, wives parents. Their relationship with a player 329 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: is so much different than everyone else, right, so they 330 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: are so much closer to the sun emotionally. It doesn't 331 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 3: bother me. I know people with Oklahoma. I was hearing 332 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: a long time ago that his dad's a lot. That's 333 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: part of college sports. You deal a lot with the 334 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: parents in the pros. Nobody wants to hear from mom 335 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: or dad. 336 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Not a soul. 337 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: We're paying Caleb forty million dollars guaranteed, let's throw thirty touchdowns. 338 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: And I think his comments sometimes like, you know, he's 339 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: trying to be a support of dad. The one has 340 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: any issue with that. Jayden Daniels's mom, of course, is 341 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: all the floozies to stay away from her son. Well, 342 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: guess what her son's playing really well in football. She 343 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: doesn't talk anything about his professional life. It's all personal stuff. 344 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 3: This guy comes out and makes comments about the CBA 345 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: is unconstitutional, the rookie Wade scale. Well, why do they 346 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 3: create a rookie Wade scale because guys like JaMarcus Russell 347 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 3: were scamming the league where the veterans weren't getting the money. So, Caleb, 348 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: you know if that rooks wage scale hadn't been so 349 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: when you make comments like that, people kind of look 350 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: side eyed. 351 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: Listen. 352 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: And the other thing that's really comes through is Ryan 353 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: Poles is quoted in there like we're taking you, buddy, 354 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 3: so get ready like this you talk about this A lot. 355 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 3: Player empowerment in the NFL doesn't really roll like that. 356 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: I would say this if you're Ryan Poles, like you 357 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: know Adam Peters. Do you think Adam Peters right now 358 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: would trade Jayden Daniels for Caleb Williams in this situation. 359 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 3: And here's the other thing. A lot of Caleb's Caleb 360 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: wasn't making these comments about the CBA are going to 361 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 3: the UFL. Is coming from his dad. But all these 362 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 3: comments get aggregated and a lot of the players in 363 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: the league see this and they're like, who does this 364 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 3: kid think he is? 365 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: And I just think it adds pressure. 366 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 3: And again, this is I would be more worked up 367 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: if these comments came last week or two weeks ago. 368 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: This was last January February before he got into the NFL. 369 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: But I'm sorry, it just does not help his situation. 370 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: It adds pressure, It just adds a lot of craziness 371 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: to this situation. New coach and they get to start fresh. 372 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: But I just think that, like we just need to 373 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: calm down and just and just win some games and 374 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: throw some touchdowns before you start. Remember last year the 375 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 3: equity talk, we want in on the franchise. You're gonna 376 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: go to the UFL and sit out of You're like, 377 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 3: kive me a break, you know, and look again, this 378 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: is his dad, not it's Caleb. It's not saying I'm 379 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 3: going to the UFL. And at the end of the day, 380 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: all these comments didn't come true. He just allowed he 381 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 3: went to the Bears and what they were not wrong 382 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 3: about the coaching staff. I mean that was a disaster, 383 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: which we all knew coming in. But I think sometimes 384 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: with a very aggressive parent like this, and I haven't 385 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 3: seen a quote from Caleb's dad since he got in 386 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: the league, you gotta be careful about saying some of 387 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: this stuff because your son has to cash those checks 388 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 3: on the field. So I just think if you're the Bears, 389 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: like you're like, oh my god when you see this 390 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: come out, because again, didn't he write a book on 391 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 3: a bunch of quarterbacks And this is the thing that 392 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 3: gets cut and this is you know, the headlines going viral, 393 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 3: getting just sent around. I'm telling you, Adam p goes 394 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: to bed like out my cornerbacks just no issues, no problems, 395 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: And it's just sometimes it's your family, but man, this 396 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 3: is you just don't want it to deal with any 397 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: of this, especially when you're not making place. I mean, 398 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: it did not go well. 399 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's set up for success now. I 400 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: mean we were talking about it in the show today. 401 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: Tua and Jared Goff had bad first years in bad 402 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: relationships with coaches or at least coach coaches that didn't 403 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: get them. I do think there's more good offensive coaching 404 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: than ever before in the league, and your second or 405 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: third team Gino Smith, Sam Darnold, Baker, Mayfield. You know, 406 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: Baker got Liam Cohen and McVeigh after Freddie Kitchens, like 407 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: it does sometimes take a while. 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I 453 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: grew up in the Northwest. I was a Seahawks fan. 454 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: I live in Los Angeles. I'm a Ramn Charger fan. 455 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: I try not to be a Homer on the air, 456 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: but it's it's I know people in the front office 457 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: contacts there. Now I moved to Chicago, I've already got 458 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: connections with the Bears, right, so I'm talking to people 459 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: and so, and you grew up here. So I under 460 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: I've always understood that Bill Simmons loves the Celtics, you're 461 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: gonna love your teams. I get it right, like like 462 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: in the audience understands that you're still objective. But I 463 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: said this this week on the show on f S one, 464 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to take five quarterbacks that we 465 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: that we would We're not going to I'm not going 466 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: to take a Justin Herbert overrated, Jalen Hurst underrated. I'm 467 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: not going to take guys on their fringe. I'm going 468 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: to take Andrew Louck, Jayden Daniels, Joe Burrow. Who else 469 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: did I take? 470 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: C J? 471 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: Stroud? I took somebody else. I took five of them, 472 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: And I said, and I didn't take Mahomes. I took 473 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. So I said, let's get mahomes Alan out. Okay, 474 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: they're like historically great. Like, so I took five guys 475 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: that none of us are going to argue they're all great. 476 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: How long once they had a competent coach did it 477 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: take for you to go, oh shit, there as a 478 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: franchise guy? So C J. Stroud did not throw an 479 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: interception until week six, pretty obvious he was different. Lamar 480 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: Jackson won six of US verst seven and by the 481 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: second game you were wondering if he was even faster 482 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: than Michael Vick. He was electric. Joe Burrow weeks two 483 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: and three is throwing for three hundred and fifty yards 484 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: behind an absolutely atrocious offensive line with a coach nobody liked. 485 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: Jade Daniels weeks two, three and four, He's completing like 486 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: twenty eight of thirty one. You're like, okay, this is 487 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: a cheat code. What is going on? And Joe and 488 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: so I went down and through all of them. So 489 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: now I bring you to Caleb Williams. Yeah, so again 490 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: golf with Jeff Fisher, Goff with McVeigh. By week two, 491 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: he's throwing for three hundred and fifty yards. You're like, oh, 492 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: Jared Goff can play like he's he's beating Mahomes in 493 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: a shootout on Monday Night football. You're like, you know, 494 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: pretty early in his career, you're like, oh, yeah, this guy, 495 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: this dude can play. So first week so my take 496 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: is good, not great, is hard to spot, real deal 497 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: and sucks jumps off the page. So week one, Caleb 498 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: Williams faces Brian floor is at home perfect weather. Let's 499 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: say he struggles. Brian Flores has been punitive to young 500 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and cayleb Williams is bad. What is your take. 501 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: I won't be handling it well, Colin. I'll tell you 502 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: that I won't be handling it well. He needs to 503 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: be very good right away. Hey, but here's the thing. 504 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: Obviously, I watched every down of the Bears last year 505 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: and have for my entire life. 506 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: He is good. He's good now. 507 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: It was not easy. 508 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: It was not always pretty, but I trust my eye 509 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: test here. If you get sacked sixty eight times and 510 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 2: still have better than a three to one touchdown the 511 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: interception ratio, and your play caller got fired nine games 512 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: in to your season, and then you fire your coach, 513 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: and you had controversy and you lost on a Hail Mary, 514 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: and you had all of that hype and that scrutiny, 515 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: and the guy who was drafted behind you is having 516 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 2: a historic rookie year and goes all the way to 517 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 2: the NFC Championship game and you get your ass kicked, 518 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: and you play all seventeen games and like you're still 519 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: standing at the end of it, you don't suck like bad. 520 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: You said like good bad. It's a little He's not bad. 521 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: He's not bad. I'm not worried about bad. 522 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: It's I still think the guy's ceiling can be MVP 523 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: of the league. Like I still think greatness is very 524 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: likely an outcome here. But yeah, Week one, Minnesota Monday 525 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: Night football. Week two against his old team, Yeah, yeah. 526 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean no, I will say this. I will say this. 527 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: It seems like forty percent of the years in the 528 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: last decade, the Bears have opened with the Packers. 529 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: I know that's not. 530 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: Actually accurate, but it feels that way. That's the absolute worst. 531 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: Any Bears fan will tell you. Bears packers. It's just 532 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: as like a different thing. All of our families have 533 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: some Packers people in it, like and for me it 534 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: was extreme. My dad's entire family was from Wisconsin. You 535 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: just you're in weddings with these people, you work with 536 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: these people, your neighbors with these people. Like my old 537 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: radio station signal like reaches far into Wisconsin, like you 538 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: could hear it in Milwaukee. So like it's just like 539 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: Bears packers. Week one is too stressful, there's too many 540 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 2: grand Like I can handle Bears Vikings. I can handle 541 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: Bears Lions week one, Bears Packers. If Caleb Williams would 542 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: come out week one and get out played by Jordan 543 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 2: Love and they would lose and he'd throw like two picks, 544 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: that's just like Sky's falling type stuff. So I think 545 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: I can handle Bears Vikings on Monday Night Football week one. 546 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: But if he's terrible, I'm not gonna be handling you. 547 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not. 548 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough to be neutral. I'll be I'll 549 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: be totally honest with you. That's gonna be unfortunate. But 550 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: if he's great, oh deep dish beets on TV for everybody. 551 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: No, I saw that first game and I went, oh, god, Flores, 552 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: what a nightmare Flora. Yeah, it's not a great spot. 553 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: But but again, like, but it can go the other way. 554 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: Put up thirty. Put put up thirty. 555 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: We never mentioned Shane Waldron's name in Chicago ever again, 556 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 557 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: Like, wasted rookie year? Why did you hire you? Why 558 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: didn't you blow it all up? 559 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: Start fresh with Kate, like put up thirty week one 560 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: and all of your sins are forgiven and we're good. 561 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the air thing, Danny. That wasn't true 562 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: years ago. There's so many good young offensive coaches now 563 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yeah, it used to be if your 564 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: first coach didn't work, you were screwed. But like Gino, 565 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: Donald Baker, tu Ahead, Brian Flores then he was a 566 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: pro bowler, Goff's first year was not only unremarkable, it 567 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: was unrecognizable. So truth is now there are multiple examples. 568 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold's a totally different player. It used to be 569 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: there were like four or five offensive guys that were 570 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: next level, Like every other staff has the next Ben 571 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: Johnson or an offensive coach. So I mean, god, look 572 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: at I mean, you go to the AFC alone, it's like, oh, 573 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: there's Andy Reid, and oh there's Sean Payton, and there's 574 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh in this and Chip Kelly in the same division. 575 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: You have those four coaches on staff. So I think 576 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: we've gotten to a point where if you have a 577 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: Mulligan season, it's just I mean, nobody remembers Goff's first 578 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: season he was owing seven. 579 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 2: I think. Yeah, Listen, in Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence showed enough 580 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: through multiple failed coaches, they still gave them a quarter 581 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: of a billion dollar contract. They hit on Brian Thomas. 582 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: Last year, they draft Travis Hunter. This year they hire 583 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: Liam Cohen to be their coach, who was a big 584 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: part of Baker Mayfield's success in Tampa, being as consistently 585 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: great on. 586 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: Offense as they've been. He's in your five. 587 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: Like, just Trevor Lawrence enraged me in way too many 588 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: fumbles and red zone interceptions, yet no doubt, like I 589 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: think that, like selling stock on, Trevor Lawrence has been 590 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: totally reasonable. Like his career is not over, right, you know, 591 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: it's his career is not over. If Liam Cohen could 592 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: do that with Baker, it's definitely on the board that 593 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence turns this thing around and rips off five, six, 594 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: seven really good years and changes the complete narrative his career. 595 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: But now, listen, I think it's still much more likely 596 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: than not that Caleb Williams is great than he is mediocre. 597 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: Danny Parkins FS one love him on the volume, stops 598 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: by about once twice a month, as Oll was this 599 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: was great, Thanks buddy, Yeah, this was fun. Thanks go on. 600 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: Anytime people, people generally speaking, fear what they don't understand, 601 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 2: you know, maybe you don't. But I think a huge 602 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: percentage of people fear what they don't understand, and it's 603 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: complicated and you don't know where it's gonna go. It 604 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: clearly is the type of thing though that is like 605 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: a tool, right, It's gonna make some things worse and 606 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: a lot of things better. Your small business owner example 607 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 2: is a great one. It's going to help that guy's business. 608 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: How about this the Internet. It has killed retail, but 609 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: it took twenty five years, Like it killed malls, but 610 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: it didn't do it in two years. And the people 611 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: that were investing in malls, that paid attention fifteen years 612 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: ago were getting out of malls right like, so they 613 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: got out. 614 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 1: Of the business. You're going to have a heads up 615 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: on stuff. Nothing happens overnight. Even if it kills consultants, 616 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: it will be over a decade that it will kill 617 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: consultants because not everybody's going to use AI. Just like 618 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: it took our grandpa and our dad's years to figure 619 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: out the Internet. So things just everything needs to bake, 620 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: you know'll give you an example of this in sports. 621 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: So when the college football playoff was announced for twelve 622 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: teams eventually fourteen sixteen, it cut right down the middle. 623 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: There were the people like myself that are like, oh, 624 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: this is awesome. December is going to be awesome. These 625 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: bowl games are so dried up, Like we got forty 626 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: five bowl games. I watched four. I thought it was obvious, 627 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: like December now is going to be even better in 628 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: December is great with NFL playoffs, and we saw that 629 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: to be true. But there was another group, including a 630 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: lot of the media, that said, oh, it's gonna kill rivalries. 631 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: And my take is, when Texas played Georgia last year 632 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: was the highest rated game, right, I think before the 633 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: National Championship. That's not a rivalry. People watch good. When 634 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: Texas plays Ohio State on Fox over the Labor Day weekend, 635 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: people watch good, and they'll watch it a second time. 636 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: You watched Oregon Ohio State the first time, Sure it 637 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: was a terrible game, but you'll watch it the second time. 638 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: So my take is it doesn't matter. We watched. NFL 639 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: football teams can play three times in the season. I 640 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: remember years the Steelers and Ravens played three times. I 641 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: watched all of them, So that's like to me. I 642 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: was shocked by the number of people that were college 643 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: football fans like Diehard's or media that were like, this 644 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: is bad, it will kill urgency. Well, what it actually 645 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: did is it allows teams now like Ohio State and 646 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: Texas to play Opening Week and whoever loses is fine. 647 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: There'll be more big games in December and more big 648 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: games in September. Do you think it makes the week 649 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: one game less big? Though I watched great? No, I 650 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: know you do. 651 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: You are a super fan of college football Michigan Ohio State. 652 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 2: Last year, the loser of the game wins the national championship, 653 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: and on some level, not to a Michigan fan and 654 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 2: not to an Ohio State fan, but to a guy 655 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: who went to Syracuse, it did take away, and I 656 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: watched it and I will still watch it. It did 657 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: take away a little bit of the first Michigan Ohio 658 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 2: State game because it objectively matters less. 659 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: But it didn't take it away in the moment as 660 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: Michig was shocking them as a twenty point dog. It 661 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: didn't hurt. Then in retrospect you look back and go, well, 662 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel as big. Well, that's like saying a 663 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: year after you got a Christmas present, I don't feel 664 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: the same today as I did a year ago when 665 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: I got the Christmas present. 666 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 2: No, I know, but I guess you take the lesson 667 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: and you go forward with it and you say there's good. 668 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: There is some like like the NFL has expanded the 669 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: playoffs right, easier to get in. We love the playoffs. 670 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 2: It's more football Week seventeen was terrible because most of 671 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 2: the teams were like, we're sitting guys, and team teams 672 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 2: have been a limitic and it's like, oh, well, what's 673 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: the difference between being the five seed and the sixth seed? 674 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 2: Like we're in, it doesn't matter. We're gonna still, we're 675 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: gonna sit guys, We're gonna play guys for a quarter. 676 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 2: So I think there is a trade off that comes 677 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 2: with more games and all that. And with college football. Listen, 678 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 2: I understood. I always was like more games I am 679 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,280 Speaker 2: going to watch, and more big games, more big games 680 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 2: I am going to watch. But I had a hard 681 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: time with the college football. Argument for the expansion of 682 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 2: the playoffs was like, how many times in the BCS 683 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: era even did you feel like the fifth best team 684 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: in the country deserved a shot at. 685 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: Being the national champion. I didn't think that it existed. 686 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: And so if your argument is well, expand the tournament, 687 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: get them in, and then any given Sunday they can 688 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 2: or any given Saturday they can win it. That's fine, 689 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 2: but then it does take away a little bit of 690 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: the regular season to me. And again I will watch, 691 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 2: but I get My guess is as they keep expanding 692 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 2: this playoff, people will come away with it all. It'll 693 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: blend together and the Week six game is not going 694 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 2: to feel as big. 695 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: But in mid October, double the number of teams to 696 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: triple are still in the hunt for a fourteen game 697 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: playoff or a twelve game playoff. Where it used to 698 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: be if you lost a game in September, you lost 699 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: another when you were done, and so the last outs 700 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: of the season you're out and going to talk. Now, 701 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: Like Ohio State loses to Oregon, then they lose to Michigan, 702 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 1: You're like shit, oh, oh my god, Ryan Day's gonna 703 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: get fired if they lose to Tennessee. So the story 704 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: went from winning to Ryan Day's getting blought. Oh they 705 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: just blew up Tennessee. Well he better beat Oregon. Oh 706 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: they blew him out, Well they better beat So the 707 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: story changed from just the game to are they gonna 708 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: blow up Ryan Day's career, so to me, it pivoted 709 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: from Okay, Ohio State still gonna get in, but remember 710 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: the story before the Tennessee game, Ryan Day can't lose respired, 711 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: so there was a different drama. It wasn't and nobody 712 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: thought Ohio State, most people even in Columbus didn't think 713 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: they were gonna win on Natty. After losing the Michigan 714 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: people were like no, they were like going overboard. Yeah 715 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:05,919 Speaker 1: they were. 716 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 2: It was insane and now you're gonna get games like 717 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 2: like Arizona State's gonna you know, they made it and 718 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 2: it was a nice story. And then the spread in 719 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 2: the game was like twenty points, right for a college 720 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 2: football playoff game. It does like it just it doesn't. 721 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 2: That part of it is gonna feel a little weird 722 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 2: to me because can they win, yes, but like what 723 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 2: was there any part of you that thought that Arizona 724 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 2: State could have gone on a run and won the 725 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: next jack No, no, but zero zero part of you. 726 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 2: So it felt a little bit like a waste of time. 727 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: Okay, but I think there's only five teams that can 728 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl next year going into the season. Yeah, 729 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,959 Speaker 1: but that's just not true. That's just not true. Well, 730 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore are just They've just got better players, 731 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: better coach. I think we both think Denver and the 732 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: Chargers are interesting, but bow Nick's hoisting a trophy seems rare. 733 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: We know Philadelphia is really really good, and McVeigh and 734 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: the Rams will be there, and then there'll be a 735 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: couple of really interesting teams. I don't think brock Kurdy 736 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: now with an older team and a shaky old line works. 737 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: But I've been arguing this for years. There's way less 738 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: parody in the NFL than everybody thinks. And the reason 739 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: I know that because for the second year in a row, 740 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: I can pick the division winners easily in the AFC, 741 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: and it's getting to the point picking division winners in 742 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: the NFL six of eight is not that difficult. Okay, but. 743 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 2: Do you think Washington could have won the Super Bowl 744 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: last year? No, there's always a shocking team. I had 745 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 2: picked the Rams the year before as the shocking team. 746 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 2: I picked, by the way last year, Washington and Denver 747 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 2: to be the shocking teams. 748 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: How did I do that? Well? Because I think they 749 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: were so poorly run with Dan Snyder that all the 750 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: new guys easy division wins against Dallas and the the Giants. 751 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: So I actually picked Washington and Denver to be much 752 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: better like this year. I think it's obvious New England 753 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: and Tennessee are going to double their win total. So 754 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: even the surprises are pretty I've done four years in 755 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: a row where I've picked the double your win team. 756 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: It's going to be New England this year, and and 757 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: Chicago see tennis it. So let's let's go to Chicaggles. 758 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: I I I don't I find the division very weird? 759 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 2: Oh listen, I mean we I I we could go, 760 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 2: we could do the. 761 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: Listen, we'll We'll do a lot of Bears at some 762 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: point before the year. Here's the thing, big advantage of 763 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: the Bears. Yeah, they got a lot better. JJ McCarthy, 764 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: you're going to see it very quickly. Is not what 765 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: people think. And the Lions lost both coordinators. So whereas 766 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: we look at the AFC West and go, god, that's 767 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: a good division, we say that about then have seen North. 768 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: We don't know about Jordan Love, We really don't. JJ 769 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: McCarthy is a c quarterback. You ever seen JJ McCarthy's 770 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: fourth quarter college stats and playing from behind fourth quarter 771 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: stats in college. With Michigan and Harbor on that old line, 772 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: they're terrible. Detroit's pulling back because they're O. Line in 773 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: the middle is a mess and they lost both coordinators. 774 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: That is a is a real bonus. That division, we 775 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: think is really well, it's well coached. I think the 776 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: Bears have an opportunity to win ten or eleven games. 777 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: I don't think it's as good a division as people think. Well, 778 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: then they would be a double ye win team. 779 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 2: They if they can, if they can get to double digits, 780 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that having the level of coaching 781 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 2: in that division is just very. 782 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 1: Very very high. 783 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 2: And so I think that that makes the worst team 784 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 2: in that division. 785 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: Like, let's say you're right about JJ McCarthy, he still 786 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: is Kevin O'Connell, Jordan Addison, and Justin Jefferson. 787 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 2: Like they got Kirk Cousins to be near five thousand yards, 788 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 2: they got Sam Darnold one hundred million dollars. Like JJ 789 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 2: McCarthy doesn't need to be awesome in order for that 790 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 2: offense to be pretty good. And let's say Minnesota is 791 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 2: the worst team in the division this year. They won 792 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 2: fourteen games last year. It's it's it's a pretty good 793 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 2: worst team if that's what they are, or if the 794 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 2: Bears are the worst team in the division, that's a 795 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 2: pretty tough worst team. So like, even if they're not 796 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 2: top heavy dominant, I don't see there being any team 797 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 2: in that division that's just like straight up bad. There's 798 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 2: no Cleveland Browns in that division. You know, There's there's 799 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 2: no there's no Jets, there's no Giants, there's no push 800 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 2: over there. So I think that's what's going to make 801 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 2: it tough is that they each ste have to play 802 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 2: each other six times, and the team that does the 803 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: best in that division might go four and two. 804 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: You know, they might just beat each other up this year.