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Speaker 1: Really really dalks. Look at this now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Well hi everybody. I don't even know what the date is.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Thursday May fourteenth, twenty twenty, and it

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Speaker 2: is time for Morning Combat. Extra huh, A little extra

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Speaker 2: extra h My name is Luke Thomas on one half

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Speaker 2: of this hosting duo. You know, the gentleman on the

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Speaker 2: other side of the screen. You probably have DMed him

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Speaker 2: very very horrific things. It is the one and only

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. Hold on, Brian, why are we hearing the

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Speaker 2: feed all of a sudden fifteen seconds later?

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Speaker 3: This is more of a j problem than a me problem.

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Speaker 2: Jay, we can hear the feed from fifteen seconds ago.

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Speaker 2: It's real bad. Yeah, yeah, I can. You don't do that.

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Speaker 3: I can't hear it all right. Uh, look, we wanted to,

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Speaker 3: We wanted to. Yeah, Luke, it's actually on you. This

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Speaker 3: is great, guys, this is great. Why don't why don't

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Speaker 3: we start over at the time. Oh we're live, We're live,

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Speaker 3: all right, Well, Luke, I'll take it from here. Uh yeah, look, morning,

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Speaker 3: combat's so good. You know we wanted to give you

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Speaker 3: this taste a second time this week. Just get it

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Speaker 3: on the lips. It's just oh man, you know uh

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Speaker 3: in the fights schedule helped us do that this week, Luke,

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Speaker 3: as we're in the midst of UFC's ambitious eight crazy

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Speaker 3: nights three fight cards from Jacksonville. How you feeling. We

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Speaker 3: stayed up late last night, we're up early this morning.

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Speaker 3: I can still see some crust in your eye. I

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Speaker 3: bet you're very ornery. How you feeling, Elta.

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Speaker 2: I look like trash. I looked terrible. My daughter didn't

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Speaker 3: I can't hear the guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is great. On hold on, hold on,

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Speaker 2: here we go there, you can hear me. Now you

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Speaker 2: should be able to hear me. Just fine. We had

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Speaker 2: some technical snaffoos, were okay. Uh to answer your question,

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Speaker 2: middle of the night and I didn't sleep, so it

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Speaker 2: was a bit of a rough one. But I gotta

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Speaker 2: tell you I did stay up, I did watch the fights.

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Speaker 2: I do have I was gonna do a post fight

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Speaker 2: show on my YouTube channel last night, and I just decided,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna save all the goodness for

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Speaker 2: this one. And I just so I didn't do it

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Speaker 2: because I want to make sure it came fresh. Let

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Speaker 2: me just explain what today is gonna be happy, Like,

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Speaker 2: what this is gonna be about. Today Morning Combat on

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Speaker 2: Mondays is where we do like you know, we have

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Speaker 2: all the different graphics and we have the dms from

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Speaker 2: Donks and have you seen this shit and everything else?

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Speaker 2: Today we're gonna have just a fight discussion sort of looser. Well,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna recap everything that we saw and we're gonna preview.

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Speaker 2: I guess the next do you FCEE Jacksonville card? I

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Speaker 2: guess we're calling them all UFC Jacksonville. So with that

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Speaker 2: further ado BC, let's sort of get to it if

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Speaker 2: we can. Out of the technical snaffs are behind us.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I have to I have to

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Speaker 2: apologize that was my error. It wasn't Jay's, so thank you,

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Speaker 3: At least somebody got the score right. Yes, it's MK

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Speaker 3: Ultra Beare Bone stripped down. Look, you call this a

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Speaker 3: power hour of fury. Remember you used to make those

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Speaker 3: cassette tapes back in the day, sixty minutes one minute

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Speaker 2: You know? Shut up? You ever done a power hour?

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Speaker 3: Damn right? That gets you? Gets you? Uh yeah, that

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Speaker 3: you get you looking like Anthony Smith. But Mark Montoya

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Speaker 2: You ever done a century?

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Speaker 2: You never done one hundred minutes?

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Speaker 3: done that, you Marines, you get down, you know centuries?

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Speaker 2: Yep. Okay, let's start with this, so I'll just go

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Speaker 2: through the results here if we can. BC. Let's just

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Speaker 2: the controversy afterwards, BC, because otherwise we'll spend the whole

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Speaker 2: His takedown defense was on point, and he was always

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Speaker 2: They are ostensibly they both have a seventy six CENTCE reach.

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Speaker 2: It looked to me like Smith was a little bit longer,

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Speaker 2: He was being real disciplined, you know about his range management.

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Speaker 2: But Gliver to Share is a badass dude. He's such

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Speaker 2: a great fighter, he's such a talent. Forty years old.

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Speaker 2: so he's nine years younger than to Shera. Now he's

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Speaker 2: So it's pretty impressive for a you know, the kind

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Speaker 2: to Shia is the last of the Mohicans. But he's

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Speaker 3: Luke, Yeah, come after him. He's a man, he's forty.

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Speaker 3: But the key here is that I think he's lost

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Speaker 3: And you know, from the end of that second round

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Speaker 3: going to the finish for the finish, and that Smith

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Speaker 3: ESPN Zarielhwani, which was a broken everything, Luke, I mean

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Speaker 3: mean the guy just took a slacking. I think it's

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Speaker 3: time to put coach Mark Montoya on trial, Luke, because

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Speaker 3: this ain't won or twice, this is now three times, Luke,

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Speaker 3: three times? Okay, that.

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Speaker 2: The three would be arguably it'd be Eric Anders versus

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Speaker 3: I didn't even consider that one. I didn't even have

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Speaker 3: that on my list, Luke. I had Thomas Gifford getting

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Speaker 3: sent to hell way unnecessarily and correct me if But

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Speaker 3: isn't Rocky Pennington on that list too?

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Speaker 3: But you know, you adding another one in there, not one,

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Speaker 3: not two, but three. MMA seems to be more apt

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Speaker 3: maybe because boxing's got a history of deaths in the ring,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to unpack here. So

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Speaker 2: the three that I'm aware of where Khalil Rowntree is

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Speaker 2: enough is enough? Now that was a three round fight

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Speaker 2: that was not you know, I don't think the brain

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Speaker 2: Jason Lutz or Lucian Cher pronounce it from aer Lee

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Speaker 2: high wrestler. And then obviously last night was really bad

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Speaker 2: and the Thomas Gifford one was real. I mean, Mike

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Speaker 2: legitimately shocked. I mean, there's so many angles to this right,

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Speaker 2: you know, did you ever watch the fight We were

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Speaker 2: week after Maxim dadashev had died in the National Harbor

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Speaker 2: in Prince George's County. Did you actually watch the data

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Speaker 2: Chev fight? Yes, dude, data Chev was way more competitive

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Speaker 2: than Smith was late, and they still threw the towel

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Speaker 2: and it was too little, too late, it appeared. I honestly,

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Speaker 2: you know you listen to Mark Montoya, who I've had

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Speaker 2: a here's what's so funny about it? Dude, have you

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Speaker 2: ever talked to Mark before ever in your life? No, dude,

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Speaker 2: think everyone has the wrong idea. They want to string

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Speaker 2: And I'm not here to defend Mark's decision there. I

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Speaker 2: think he was I mean, I mean crazy wrong. But

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Speaker 2: to me, dude, I don't know what they're looking for.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they're waiting for. And they do

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Speaker 2: a lot of talking in generalities about like, oh, he

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Speaker 2: was still in the fight, what does that mean he

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Speaker 2: was in the fight. He was conscious, you know he was,

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Speaker 2: you know, well.

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Speaker 3: Look, you do have to add that element that I

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Speaker 3: Actually there were real teeth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've said this before on the show.

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Speaker 2: The last thing on this I suspect that you know

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Speaker 3: If you know what I mean, you nailed it. Everyone

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Speaker 3: let him go back out there. Even those guys, Luke

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Speaker 2: All right? So let me ask you, where does Lover

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Speaker 3: I think he's one big win away from a title

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Speaker 3: But suddenly, when you've got Don Reyes, who's deserving, Jon Blohowitz,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. When he lost to Cory Anderson, I thought, okay,

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Speaker 3: a really crafty fighter. If you're gonna leave the door

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Speaker 3: open and to see OSP essentially running the whole time,

428
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 3: I know that's a filthy, casual take to watch that

429
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,080
Speaker 3: fight and say, oh, he's running, Well, he was running, Luke.

430
00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,639
Speaker 3: That was not a good performance. I'm not saying you

431
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,640
Speaker 3: should close the door on the experiment, as OSP's team

432
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,879
Speaker 3: was sort of doing a wait and see approach, but

433
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,880
Speaker 3: you know, you felt like there were times he could

434
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,479
Speaker 3: have dug in and made it a fight in a brawl.

435
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 3: And when you're matching weapons against Rothwell, he may have

436
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 3: a bigger variety of weapons, but I'm not sure he

437
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,639
Speaker 3: has any weapon to match the type of strikes OSP

438
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,159
Speaker 3: maybe could have landed. Now, I'm asking a guy to

439
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 3: stand in there and risk damage, but I would have

440
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,639
Speaker 3: think that was a better outcome than to run and

441
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 3: lose a decision.

442
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,199
Speaker 2: So I saw Ben Rothavell went on the ESPN plus

443
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,119
Speaker 2: postfight show, and he spoke to Megan A. Levy and

444
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 2: you know, you see all these articles come out being

445
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 2: like how the fighters are training with the pandemic, and

446
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 2: there's so many of them, virtually all of them are

447
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: putting on a happy face. It's like, yeah, I've always

448
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,639
Speaker 2: wanted to train over zoom with my coach as my

449
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 2: brother in law held pads for me. This has always

450
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 2: been the best scenario for me. And you're like, Okay,

451
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 2: I doubt that, but whatever. I mean, you know, fighters

452
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna put on a happy face and they're gonna

453
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 2: not give excuses because that's the way that they are.

454
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: And then after a fight, especially when they lose, here

455
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 2: they come. So he won. But what he was saying was,

456
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 2: and he has a gym in his own, like a property,

457
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 2: a full gym, like heavy bags and rolling you know,

458
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 2: mats and everything. And he was saying he didn't give

459
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 2: actual specifics BC, but he said that April was the

460
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: most challenging training environment or training month of his life.

461
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 2: They had never been so chaotic, it had never been

462
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: so difficult. And he said, that's even with all of

463
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: the resources that I already half. He didn't go into

464
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: detail about what that was. Maybe it was an injury

465
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: or something too that compounded problems, but he sort of

466
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: suggested that was just not where he wanted to be.

467
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,239
Speaker 2: So he's he made about a bigger picture from his

468
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: UFC return. We'll we'll talk about in just a second.

469
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: Terms of OSP, I don't even know what to make

470
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 2: of this one. The guy's been in the game for

471
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,719
Speaker 2: a long time. He's got forty fights basically, you know,

472
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 2: and I actually called one of them when he fought

473
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 2: in Washington, DC. He's athletic, he's talented, he's a little

474
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: bit older than people realize. OSP is sitting at thirty seven,

475
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 2: so it moved to heavyweight in that sense makes sense.

476
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 2: He's lost three of his last four, but you know,

477
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 2: he fought a bunch of twenty eighteen and had some

478
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: good wins, so it's like he still catches people who

479
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 2: make mistakes with sort of interesting, sometimes silly stuff. The

480
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 2: win over Cory Anderson was beautiful. I don't read too

481
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: much into it for him. For Rothwell, coming back.

482
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 3: He played to his poor his poor stereotypes of being

483
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: a fighter that doesn't do enough in there.

484
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also just like he's still like here's

485
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: the thing. He always seems like off balance with his

486
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 2: footwork at times. You know, he's kind of like stumbling

487
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 2: like a newborn deer a little bit. But when he

488
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: has his moments, he's got good power, he's got good speed.

489
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: He could put some combinations together, like those things are there.

490
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 2: It's just there's just a lot of, I don't know,

491
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 2: weirdness built into everything. And he also catches a lot

492
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 2: of people like when they make mistakes like the armbarn

493
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 2: tests and Pedro or the fon.

494
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: Pajot Rothwell briefly, when it looked like he was falling

495
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 3: out of the fight, he landed a big shot and

496
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: just to piggyback on what you mentioned about Rothwell being

497
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 3: honest about how hard this was, you do want to

498
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 3: understand that, you know, even me criticizing osp here, this

499
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: could have been his absolute worst training camp ever. Given

500
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 3: the situation, we talked a lot heading into these three

501
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 3: fight cards, look about what this unprecedented situation of the

502
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: pandemic would do to the fights. Now, largely the fights

503
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 3: have been really exciting, and we've seen the truly elite

504
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 3: guys be able to sort of get close or right

505
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 3: there to what they're able to do. But obviously there's

506
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 3: going to be guys who are just like, man, that's

507
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 3: not normal what I went through. And I had to

508
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: take this fight because I had to pay the bills.

509
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 3: So I do want to give that cushion in there

510
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: that maybe OSP couldn't carry that heavyweight weight and maybe

511
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: you know, his guest Tank was troubled throughout.

512
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just feel like Ben Rothas had a really

513
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: weird comeback. So we had that fight against Osantos where

514
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: he was basically just you know, De Santos was better

515
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 2: that night in Croatia, and twenty sixteen, three years away,

516
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: he comes back and he fought blagoy Ivanov. I thought

517
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 2: he won that fight, but he lost it. Then he

518
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: fought Orlovsky and it was just a gross not great,

519
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 2: and then he beat Stephan Struve but you know, the

520
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: guy I kicked in the balls seventy five thousand times,

521
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: and then he fought and then he fought ovin Saint

522
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: Prux and he won. He deserved to win. When anth

523
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: announced a split, I was like, oh, here we go.

524
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: He deserved to win. But you know, I just feel

525
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: like Rothwell in this sort of last chapter here of

526
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: the UFC run. He's trying to get the car into

527
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: like third and fourth and fifth gear, and he's having

528
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: moments where you know, you can feel the transmission maybe

529
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: getting you there, but he's having a little bit of

530
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: problems with it as well, you know, in him. Let's

531
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: see how old he is here. He is thirty eight

532
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: years old. You know, it's gonna be kind of hard.

533
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: How sad is it though? And by the way, shout

534
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: out to Rothwell for the win, and shout out to

535
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: what Alexiolinic did against Papricia for doing But how sad

536
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 3: is it when you get a win in a cole

537
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: main event and you're like, with all due respect, I'd

538
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: love to call out Alexiolinic and you're like, oh, okay,

539
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: you can, Yeah, sure you can have them.

540
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 2: You don't like that fight?

541
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: I mean I do, and I actually really like Alexiolinic

542
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 3: and have been a fan of his rise. It's just

543
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: sort of like that was like a wow. Now I'm

544
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: not saying, hey, you should have been like step a

545
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: call me, but still it was it was, yeah, okay.

546
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: I like it because it's two old dudes, two old bears,

547
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: you know, wrestling for dominance of the campsite, and they're

548
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: gonna slug it out, probably in inadvisable ways, and it's

549
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: gonna be great. Plus both have a sort of a

550
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: funny and unique capacity to be able to submit anyone.

551
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: You know, Olinic has submitted you know a lot of

552
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: people obviously, and Josh Barnett got submitted by Ben Rothwell.

553
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: He almost had a ten vigor guillotine on OSP yesterday.

554
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: So you know they're they're old, crafty vets, probably a

555
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: little long, definitely a little long in the tooth. Who

556
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: you're gonna call out, you're gonna call out? You know,

557
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: I don't know, should have called out to me.

558
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: Let me make a matchup Monday for you, Luke. Drop

559
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: me off at a gas station in Kenosha, Ben Rothwell

560
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: and I looking at that the rollers of tornadoes, who's

561
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: coming out of there? H standing with the full belly.

562
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: I think I could take him?

563
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I think it'd be a very bad

564
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: night for you. So let's go to this one. You

565
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 2: take it away, BC Drew Dover defeating Alexander Hernandez four

566
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: twenty five of the second round. I loved everything about it.

567
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: Give me your biggest takeaway from the fight.

568
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Drew Dover is the biggest head the second biggest headline.

569
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. After Glove's share of this fight card, this

570
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 3: was a rise up. Now. Look he's in the lightweight division.

571
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: It's it's all killer, no filler. So you're gonna need

572
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 3: even more than three consecutive wins all by knockout to

573
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: really crack that code. But look, Hernandez is a tough

574
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: out man, you know. I don't think he was as

575
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: bad as the performance ultimately showed against Cowboy. I thought

576
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: he was a little bit too cocky there. You look

577
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: at his track record, He's a comf tough out and

578
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: he was fairly game in this one. But Drew Dober's

579
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: evolution as a striker is so evident. He didn't have

580
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: this type of pop and speed and relentles like he's

581
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: putting the full package together. That is what I'm saying, Luke.

582
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 3: And he's got the quickness at South Paul, he punches

583
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: and flurries and it's just really with the confidence was

584
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: what jumped out to me. He's looking like a guy

585
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 3: who who believes he's ready for big business. And for

586
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: him afterwards to respectfully say, look, give me some names

587
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: not like, give me Paul Felder and to see Felder,

588
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 3: you know, sit in case I go, yeah, I think

589
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 3: I'd do that. I think I'd watched that Luke. Drew

590
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: Dober has a very interesting ceiling potential here. I mean

591
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, a good looking guy can talk,

592
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: but he's starting to put it together and that's key.

593
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: Drew Dober started out in the UFC and even for

594
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: a while maintained kind of a reputation as a guy

595
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: who definitely deserved to be here, but was sort of

596
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: the guy you would see at the beginning of cards

597
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: or on the prelimbs on ESPN or Fox Sports, whatever

598
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: the timeframe was. You might seem on European cards fighting

599
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: their next up and coming guy. They're trying to deceive

600
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: they're good or not. And that was sort of for

601
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: a while. It seemed his ceiling and that's not the

602
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: worst place to be, but you just thought that might

603
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: be as good as it gets for him. And slowly

604
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: but surely, man, that guy has really improved. I put

605
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: him up there for one of the most improved fighters

606
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: currently right now in the UFC in terms of where

607
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: they started to where they have arrived and there's plenty

608
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 2: of time left for him to even get better than

609
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: he already is. He is only thirty one years of

610
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: age and has not taken a ton of damage, doesn't

611
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: have a ton of losses. But the losses that he

612
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: had were the kind where you're like, oh, you're not

613
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: ready for this level. So, for example, the two that

614
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: stand out, although there are some other ones where Olivia

615
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: Aubin Marcier and then Banil daryusch Funnily enough, those are

616
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: guys that Alexander Hernandez had defeated, he had stopped. In fact,

617
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: Banil Daryus out wrestled Aubin Marcier, and so you thought, wow, man,

618
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: this is a really interesting matchup for virtue of that reason.

619
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: And yes, that a hack parass win was nice and

620
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: the polo reys was nice, but he hasn't really turned

621
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: the corner. Wow, dude. He looked great yesterday, unbelievable. And

622
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: you know what really stuck out to me was he

623
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: had a good game plan to start and it was working,

624
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: and then he came out in the second round and

625
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: he made an adjustment, which was he really confined the

626
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: space and he found the combinations that were working better

627
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: and he was all over Hernandez like white on rice,

628
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: and it didn't really matter where the fight went except

629
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: when he was on his back. And even then you

630
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: saw him get taken to his back once and then

631
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: get out. Hernandez tried again and he immediately separated. He

632
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: was learning on the fly, he was making adaptations. He's

633
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: already come all this way. He's a devastating puncher, very accurate.

634
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: He uses South Paul really well to his effect. He

635
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 2: makes good use of range. He wasn't afraid at all

636
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: the opportunity of the challenge. I was blown away by

637
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: Drew Doover last night. He really has forced everybody two

638
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: performance in a night, back to back fights. I think

639
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: he has forced everyone to reconsider just how good he is.

640
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm very happy for the guy, because I mean, he

641
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: was who he was fighting Jamie Varner back in twenty fourteen,

642
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: but that was when Varner was on the decline. He

643
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: had a weird fight against Leandro Silva, he lost to Escadero.

644
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: He got some wins over Jason Gonzalez and Josh Berkman

645
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: those are nice, and John Tuck, but then he lost

646
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: to Daryu. You know what I mean, Like every time

647
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: he was making some progress, he'd fall short when he

648
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: went up against a really ranked or named guy. An

649
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: unbelievable job by him now brings us to Hernandez. Man Ah,

650
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: what a weird spot for his career, right, he comes

651
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: out of the gate storming BC, beating Daryush, beating Hernandez,

652
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: beating some other ones, and then he goes up against

653
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: Cowboy and it blew up in his face because he

654
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: called him day, drink and down. He did get the

655
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: rebound win against Francisco Toronaldo, but that was very controversial

656
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: and he fought it, backing up the whole time. He

657
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: thought this one mostly backing up the whole time too,

658
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: and he lost. You could argue it should be three

659
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: losses in a row. What's happened to Alexander Hernandez.

660
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: You know, you wonder if if it is a confidence thing.

661
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: I mentioned he was game in here, and there were

662
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: moments he was able to absorb big moments from Dover

663
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: and kind of make nice adjustments.

664
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: I thought.

665
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: You know, his defensive jab was really at at some

666
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: point was able to let him get back into the fight.

667
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: Leading up to the stopage. He started to land some

668
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: combinations off of that he does hit hard. He didn't

669
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: have the speed of Dover and that ended up being

670
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: a big part of his problem. But you do have

671
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: to wonder, if you know, when you're rising up and

672
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: you're entering into that cowboy fight and you're ready to

673
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: make your splash and you're all invincible and all you know,

674
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: all verrill, and then you get you get Neuter in there,

675
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: Luke and it takes time. So you know, he's lucky

676
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: it's not three straight defeats, but he's still got to

677
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: figure out who he is in there. But I think

678
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: he's got the tools. I'm not ready to commit to him,

679
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: like I am Kevin Lee future UFC champion and and

680
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: you know, and and die on that hill, not dead

681
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: yet by the way, but you know, I believe in him.

682
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing for me and Hernandez. He like

683
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: the darry yush win was a curse because it like

684
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're like, who's the guy who

685
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: knocked out Benil doryush You know, people don't just not

686
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: mean that's some Borbosa can knock him out. It's like

687
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: that kind of a fighter could knock him out, and

688
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: then he'd all been more Cier and you're like, and

689
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: he did it wrestling, it's a little bit different. You're like, wow, Okay,

690
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: well this kid came out of now we're twenty five

691
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: years old at the think of at the time, and

692
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And then you just realized as he's

693
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: trying to get his game going and find his fight identity,

694
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: as he went up to the competition, it was too much.

695
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: So he jumped forward too much. And now he's on

696
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: the rebound backwards and you're getting him to a more

697
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: calibrated position. But at the same time, I don't want

698
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: the losses to affect his confidence because it's part of

699
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: who he is, whether people like it or not. And

700
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: then the other part is he's just having I think

701
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: a bit of difficulty, as you indicated, like what way

702
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: do I want to fight? What way do I fight

703
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: where it makes me happy and it brings out the

704
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: best in me. I just don't think he's quite discovered

705
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: that yet or fully realized that yet.

706
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: Anyway, if I may slip in a question, if you

707
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: don't mind, it was good to see referee Keith Peterson

708
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: back in the fold after Dom Cruise's comments, and we

709
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: didn't even talk about in MK the other day, just

710
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: how out of character and opposite heard that was. If

711
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: I'm Keith Peterson, though I'm spraying on the the hooches

712
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: and bitches cologne every week and just be in just

713
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: embracing it though you know, bitches and cigarettes, that's what

714
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: I smell like. I'm Keith Peterson. I'm just doubling down

715
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: on that.

716
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: Glad you hear. BC. Ricky Simone defeated Ray Borg split decision,

717
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: and he The only thing it occurred to me in

718
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: this one, BC, was I thought Borg had a pretty

719
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: nice boxing and kickboxing game, like he was giving someone

720
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: real problems there. But the size differential, Yeah, that too much,

721
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: I thought it was.

722
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: It should have been unanimous and not split. I respected

723
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: that Borg had to really empty the tank and figure

724
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: out new ways as that fight went on to stay

725
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: in it. And you know, you give him credit. He

726
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: did land some big shots. The problem is he's landing

727
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: big flyweight shots. He doesn't seem to have what it

728
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: takes to be an elite bantam way and this was

729
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: the right win for Ricky Simon. I want to talk though,

730
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: you know, not to get biblical on you, Luke, because

731
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: I know who you serve in the end. But normally,

732
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: under the precipice of the Samson and Delilah theory, when

733
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: you get your hair cut off, you lose your power.

734
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: Not only did he cut the mullet, he came out

735
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: and fought great. And what'd you think of his excuse afterwards,

736
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: which we all been there? He said, you know, I've

737
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: been on the couch lately. I want to start a

738
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: family with my wife. I you know, I had to.

739
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: I had to. I had to do it, you know

740
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: what I mean. Look, I mean, you know, one day, Luke,

741
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: your wife's gonna be like, sorry, the beard's gotta go.

742
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: That spicy Latin woman's gonna gonna tell you like it is, Luke,

743
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: and you're going to show up on MK extra. Uh

744
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: you know, clean as a whistle.

745
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, she usually does, but the beard is not one

746
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: of her objections. Yeah, I mean, look, you gotta outgrow

747
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: your punk rock phase at some point, if you you know, dude,

748
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: the people pretending that they like mullets, like, really, we're

749
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: gonna pretend that we do this now. I mean, I

750
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: didn't mind it. I didn't think one way or the

751
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: other about it. But like this idea, like Oh, mullets

752
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: are so great, Sure they are. Maybe how many of

753
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: your friends have mullets who also have great jobs? Right? Okay, yeah,

754
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: end of discussion. So that's why because polite society frowns

755
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: on it, all right, Joe exotic? Yeah, Joe, yeah, Joe exotic.

756
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: Where's he prison? That's where you end up with a mullet?

757
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 2: BC prison or you know, the back of gas stations

758
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: doing unspeakable acts.

759
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: For Look, you're dodging my attempts at comedy really well

760
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: to keep us focused here.

761
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: For well, I slept. I slept maybe thirty minutes last night.

762
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: Do you understand like I'm I'm hanging on. I took

763
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: amphetamines before the show today just so I could be here. Yeah,

764
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: I'm hanging on by a goddamn threat. You understand that

765
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: this is the most comedy you're gonna get out of me?

766
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: That? Wow? Yeah?

767
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: Uh. Andrea Alobski defeeding Felipe Lynz. This was the most

768
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: frustrating fight to watch the thirty toy seven thirty twenty seven,

769
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: twenty nine to twenty eight. And the reason why for me, man,

770
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: it's like Felipe Lynz came out and at first like

771
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: he was catching, you know, Arlobski at the end of

772
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: his combinations and ant the end of the first he

773
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: was like bop, hoop, pop up, like all of them

774
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: were landing, and I'm like, okay, man, he found his range.

775
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: He's lighting the up. He's got quick hands. This guy

776
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: came out. I think he won the twenty eighteen PFL

777
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: Heavyweight Attorney and then Arlobsky do that, I thought. I

778
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: don't know who said it on the broadcast with was

779
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: Cormier or whether it was Felder. They were like, Arlovsky doesert.

780
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: This is true. Arlovsky does a He's really good at

781
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: taking a fight and bringing it down to his level.

782
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: These older guys, man, they've got a little bit of

783
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: pop left. So if he if he cracks you, you're

784
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: gonna feel it. He doesn't have a ton of speed,

785
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: you know, he probably have some decent timing. But what

786
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: Arlovsky has that people just don't realize. And I'm gonna

787
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: compare him to John Jones in this sense. To me,

788
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: John Jo I've said this before. I think his offense

789
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: has deteriorated, but his defense is so good. Arlovsky has

790
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: found ways to make everyone he fights win or lose.

791
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: By the way some of those ones he were losing,

792
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: Like the Tui Vasa fight could have easily gone his way.

793
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: He just slows the fight down. He makes you exchange

794
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: on his terms. He doesn't stay in range and get

795
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: too caught up. Yeah, when he fights the steep A's

796
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: and the francis Is and the Jaiirs, Okay, you know

797
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: it's not gonna work every time. But if you're not

798
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: one of the top tier heavyweights, he's gonna bring everything

799
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: down to a level that he finds manageable and he's

800
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: gonna find a way to win. You gotta give him

801
00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: credit for that.

802
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I was the last decade. John Edick said

803
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: a great on the broadcast that we're like eleven years

804
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: into talking bad about his chin and waiting for his

805
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: own sort of Ladel phase of knockout loss, knockout loss,

806
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: knockout loss retirement. Problem is, like those knockouts are actually

807
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: fewer and far between. Even though I predicted Linz would

808
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: kind of make a statement and come here and get

809
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: that knockout, and like you said, first couple right hands,

810
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, yeah, he's gonna get there. The problem is,

811
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: you're right, we don't give Arlowsky enough for the intangibles

812
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 3: that he still holds. And that's a good gas tank,

813
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: by the way, and that's a big part about why

814
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: he won this fight, because Linz seemed to gas in

815
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: that third round when he really need to put something together,

816
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: he didn't have it, and Arlovsky had enough volume to

817
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: keep him away. But I think Arlovsky has those veteran

818
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: tricks to be able to make Philippe Linz realize I'm

819
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: going to pay a price to try to knock him

820
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: out and actively win that. So when you, like you said,

821
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: take him down a notch, when suddenly Linz is not

822
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: head hunting and he's trying to win a point fight instead,

823
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: well he's not as skilled or experience in Arlowski's ability

824
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 3: at forty one to retain a lot of those skills,

825
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: still have confidence to go out there. He does have

826
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: a lot of this sneaky decision wins luke in during

827
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: this run that have certainly kept his career alive. But

828
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 3: it's a good win, man. You know, it was tough

829
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: to see Lynz, who looked good in the first thirty seconds,

830
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: kind of devolved, But that's why we have these sort

831
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: of gatekeepers. I mean, that's whore alawski is. But that's

832
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: that's a good ass.

833
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: Win, dude. I want you to point out here. Twice

834
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: in his career he had a four fight losing streak

835
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: against Fador, Brett Rodgers, Silva and Carratzonov. His Strike Force

836
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: run did not go well, and then he came back

837
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: and won a bunch of fights. Right, he lost the

838
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: Anthony johnsone, but still he won a bunch, including beating

839
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: Brendan Schab, Antonio Silva, Frank Meir, and Travis Brown. Then

840
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: he loses five in a row to Stepe Overreeing, Barnett Francis,

841
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: and then Marchine Tabora, and he still came back and

842
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: won again. And then he lost to Taitu I Vasa,

843
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 2: Shamil abdur Rakaimov. The Walt Harris one was a no contest,

844
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: but Walt had won, and then Augusto Sakai, and then

845
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: he came back and won. On three different occasions in

846
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: his career he's had at least a four fight losing streak,

847
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: in one case five and he still found ways to

848
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: get wins. I've never heard of something like that. I've

849
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: never seen that before, to have those kinds of rough

850
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: patches and then still find a way to persevere.

851
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: And she did you hear those those man screams that

852
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 3: he left, that he let out after Linz went to

853
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: on tip there and kicked him really hard south without

854
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: the crowd there, you got to really feel his pain

855
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 3: in agony.

856
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: Luke, you really, I know you were going to focus

857
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: on that. I know you were thinking about Arl Lobski's

858
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: balls all night long.

859
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: He's a bully beat down alumni shout out to that show.

860
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: Remember I remember that. That's right, so was Eddie Alvarez. Uh.

861
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: Thiago Moystes defeating Michael Johnson. This is what kind of

862
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: broke my heart, if I could be honest with you.

863
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: Twenty five seconds into the second round. I mean, I

864
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: have nothing against Thiago moysist but I said this last

865
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: night on Twitter. Michael Johnson's had a weird career. He's

866
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: got He beat up Tony Ferguson, Like you go watch

867
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: that fight, like it was not close, Michael Johnson. Michael

868
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: Johnson wasn't like destroying him, but it was a clear who.

869
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: He knocked out Dustin Poorier in the first round. He's

870
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: beaten Andre Feeley, He's got stopped. I think Edson barbozo

871
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: like he's beaten.

872
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 3: Hebib he heard hbbe hebib.

873
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's beaten and or at least been very competitive

874
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 2: with literally the division's best. And he now has his record.

875
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: I think he's either nineteen and sixteen or twenty and sixteen.

876
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: He's in nearly according to Wikipedia, nineteen and sixteen. He's

877
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: a almost a five hundred fighter, and he was winning

878
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: the first round BC handily until he just wasn't and

879
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: everything just collapsed in an instant.

880
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to Moisis for being able to turn

881
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: it around that quickly. But you know, it's tough with

882
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: Johnson because he has those wins that you mentioned. He

883
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: always matches himself tough, but he's just short of being

884
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 3: able to be elites on that regular level. I mean, look,

885
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: you look great against Justin Gagee in that war and

886
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: had big moments and also got stopped and lost that fight.

887
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: So he doesn't take those filler fights too often. In

888
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: between that repad your record. He seems to go for

889
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: it every time out. And when you do that and

890
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 3: you're just shy of being great, it's an unfortunate situation

891
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: because he's much much much better than his resume, will

892
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: I mean, then his record will ever tell you, and

893
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: we all know that in our hearts. But you know

894
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: it is what it is. At the end of the day.

895
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: You check his Wikipedia page if you don't know him,

896
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: and you go, oh, that guy sucks. No, he's really good,

897
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: but he found another way to lose. Look it happens.

898
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Why is he so inconsistent? What's your theory there?

899
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I don't know how he trains.

900
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: I don't know his mindset well enough, you know. I mean,

901
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: I think there is something to say about how hard

902
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: he regularly matches himself in the fights he accepts. You know,

903
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: do we bite down too much on the fool's goal

904
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: of how good he actually is because he finds moments

905
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: against elite guys like Habib in that first round? Is

906
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 3: he really not as good as we think he is? Well,

907
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 3: even I don't believe that. I've seen him beat Tony

908
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: Fergus and I've seen him beat Poitier, but there is

909
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: something that stops him from getting over that hill. I

910
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: don't know what it is.

911
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: You know, it's weird. So last night you had Moises

912
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: drop down single leg x essentially, well almost a single

913
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: leg X sort of for the heel hook. And then

914
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: you see the it's on the it's on the right

915
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: hip of Johnson and so it's the left foot of

916
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: Moisis and he puts it in the hip and your

917
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: your immediate responsibility in that moment is to hand fight

918
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: right or our ankle fight, I should say, with your hands.

919
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 2: He doesn't grab it and push it off. He kind

920
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: of is reaching for the elbow and like behind the

921
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: head of Moises, which is the wrong thing to do.

922
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: And then Moyses completely reaps the knee and goes all

923
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: the way across then puts the other one behind it.

924
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 2: So when what he eventually ends up doing is turning

925
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: essentially Johnson away from him. But then the tricky part

926
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: was you say, oh, well the heel hook. You just

927
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: roll with the heel hook. The problem is if you

928
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: go back and you notice he tries to turn BC

929
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: and the other leg of Moises is blocking him from

930
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 2: turning if you have to, if you don't block the turn,

931
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: the heel hook doesn't mean and it wasn't a heel hook,

932
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: he was an ankle lock. But the point being is

933
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: he had used the other leg to stop him, and

934
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: I went back and I watched him, like, why didn't

935
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: he hand fight? It's like if someone did a rear

936
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: naked choke and they're coming around like this and they're

937
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: setting this up, wouldn't that be the first thing that

938
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: you do. And you know, I'm not lecturing a pro

939
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: fighter how to fight better. I'm simply saying they know that,

940
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: like he knows that. I guarantee you he has drilled

941
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: that a ten thousand times BC. And that's the part

942
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: that I can't quite get. That was not a new

943
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: position for him. No chance that was a new.

944
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: Is It's not obvious what his hole is. I mean,

945
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 3: you broke down a situation there. Could he have done this?

946
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: Should he have done this? It was a quick tap,

947
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: and that's I guess what happens when you get caught

948
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 3: that cleanly and you know, in that type of twist.

949
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: But they tough to see, tough to see. But hey,

950
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: give put some respect on Moist's his name for that win.

951
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: Though it was a nice adaptation. Let's say I'm saying this,

952
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: Keith Peterson did a great job reffing that. So you

953
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: had kind of like that one tap and it wasn't

954
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: really clear for Johnson and so Keith Peterson went over

955
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: and nearly stopped it, but letter Rock and then the

956
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: full tap came in later and that might have been

957
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more injury. But to me, you got

958
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: a much cleaner finish.

959
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: Well, you know, he likes a cleaner finish on a

960
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: whiskey before the fight, so I think he went to

961
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 3: the top shelf this time. You know, how does Tom

962
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 3: Cruise do it? Here's the thing I spent all last

963
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: week being like, Tom Cruise is a you know, this

964
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: mix between Tony Robbins and a Ted Talk. He's the

965
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: most inspirational guy ever. I'm sorry, Tom, take the damn

966
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: l What are you doing saying that that's not you?

967
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, But there's there's go on YouTube and just

968
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: type in dominant Cruz trash talk. There's like a library

969
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: of videos of him just savaging people. People forget about that.

970
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: I know he has that.

971
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: He's a hard world. He's he's gruff, dude, He's gruff.

972
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: No, and look and even in this ahead of this fight,

973
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: on that conference call, you know, so Hudo pushed his

974
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: buttons and he did fire back with little Man and

975
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: those type of stuff. But he'd evolved his interview game, Luke,

976
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 3: you know this into being really about like, I don't

977
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 3: I don't dwell on losses. I bounce back because I'm

978
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: so mentally focused. There's no such thing as k dressed.

979
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: I mean when he went on Ariel's you know, live

980
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: thing the next day, I thought he was going to

981
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: walk this back one thousand percent, and look, he like

982
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: doubled down. He was like, oh no, not that did

983
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: he smell like hooch, but he smell like horse too.

984
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: It's like, WHOA, come on.

985
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: He's like, really, well, if that's the case, I want

986
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 2: to party with Keith Peterson. Bro.

987
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Somebody get Rosenthal on the horn.

988
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 3: We'll get a little uh, We'll get you know, we'll

989
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: pass the peace pipe here.

990
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: Look, come on, uh you going down to the prelim card.

991
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: Any major thoughts about Sajar Eubanks and Sarah Morris who

992
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: U Banks wins two thirty twenty sevens one thirty twenty six.

993
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: Morris Is nickname is awful. U Banks physically looks stronger

994
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: at one thirty five. You know, it was a good performance,

995
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 3: but not great. I think she's still kind of figuring out,

996
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 3: you know, who she could be at this weight class

997
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: won't have the same advantages she thought she had, you know,

998
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: a weight class lower. But I don't know, Luke, that

999
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: was that was a kind of a rough fight to watch.

1000
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: Let's be really honest here, Luke. Okay, this is what

1001
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: we do. We bring the truth at MK extra Okay

1002
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: on women's strawweight second best division in the whole sport

1003
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 3: seems to always bring it. Featherweight's not even a division.

1004
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 3: Bantamweight division has not been deep or really good since

1005
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: the fallout of the post Ronda and Misha run. Although

1006
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: I mean Nuna is cleaned house, she's great, but like,

1007
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: it's not deep, it's not good and flyway there's one

1008
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 3: fighter in there. It's kind of rough right now outside

1009
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: of one one five, Luke, and you know this man.

1010
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll give to jar Ubanks credit. I thought

1011
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: she thought a very clinical fight. I thought her decision

1012
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: making was great. About what kind of things I want

1013
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 2: to go for when they materialize, how do I deal

1014
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: with certain forms of pressure, how do I not get overwhelmed,

1015
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 2: how do I manage my cardio? How do I advance position.

1016
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: She's a very talented grappler. She obviously trains now with

1017
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: her great team the East Coast super Friends with Mark

1018
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: Henry and Eddie Alvarez and all those guys, Like she

1019
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: thought a very good fight. So to me, it's like

1020
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: if you knew her from her jiu jitsu reputation, she

1021
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: had a pretty strong when she was a very very

1022
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 2: high level competitor, and then she came over to MMA,

1023
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: and you know, she had some weight cut issues. She

1024
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: had a bunch of stuff going on, and I don't

1025
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: think she quite got onto the She didn't quite get

1026
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: the lift off off the runway that was expected. Looks

1027
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: to me like now that she had some turbulence. But

1028
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: she's in a better place, so you probably get a

1029
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: clear sense of where she's headed now. That seems like

1030
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: she's ironing out the different pieces. You know, listen, I

1031
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: had to see I had to see how far I

1032
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 2: could push that. I think I took a pretty time

1033
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: by the But.

1034
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: You know, I'm right, Luke. When you watch a strongweight fight,

1035
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 3: even like a you know, outside of the top ten,

1036
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: you're like, I see talent these other divisions. It's not

1037
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: just that Mandy's dominating everybody. There's no talent after the

1038
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: top two or three in each of those divisions.

1039
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: It's true, Luke, you know, DC always made a great point.

1040
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: He was like, you know what you're looking for sometimes

1041
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: with these crossover athletes and when they come to MMA,

1042
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: is were they a lifelong athlete? Right? So DC has

1043
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: been wrestling and playing football since you know, however, and

1044
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 2: not just like playing at a high level. Ronda Rausi

1045
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 2: has been an international class judo player a judoka since

1046
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: her single digit certainly early teens. These are people who

1047
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: are lifelong athletes. So like from a technical deficit, you

1048
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: couldn't really tell until she fought Holly Holm. I mean

1049
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: you could tell that there were poles, but part of

1050
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: the reason why she won was because she had this

1051
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: skill mastery that was not a big part of MMA

1052
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: generally and especially in the women's game. And then also, dude,

1053
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: she was just a way better athlete than everybody, Like,

1054
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 2: way better athlete to me, I see a better athletic pool,

1055
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 2: not just a skill pool, but a better athletic pool.

1056
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: One fifteen then I currently see it one hundred and

1057
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: thirty five pounds more generally.

1058
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: Or one two five or one forty five or Adam, wait,

1059
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 3: maybe that's just the sweet spot for ladies in this game. Luke, Okay,

1060
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: I'm not talking fall I'm being honest, all.

1061
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: Right, Omar Morales, if you didn't Gabriel Benitez any strong

1062
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: thoughts about this one, I've seen. We're right.

1063
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: Look, you got other jobs. Run out of time. We

1064
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: got to get to how about how about.

1065
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 2: How about how about the broadcast showing his cut open

1066
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: shin up close. Uh?

1067
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: You know, I know there's a lot of people that

1068
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: love MMA, that love this stuff. I remember being in

1069
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 3: newsrooms at ESPN in like two thousand and eight and

1070
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine and that dude right like, oh

1071
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: hey you see that? Uh I could see this guy's

1072
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: brain or did you see that arm break in that

1073
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: in that Kimura Dude, I'm not into that crap. This

1074
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 3: was gross, Luke.

1075
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: You know what, I even said this last night. I

1076
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: think I'm dead inside because there was there was all

1077
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 2: these reactions last night. So most of them were like gross,

1078
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: get that off the screen, and then other ones were like,

1079
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: you know, the Jack Nicholson nodding Jeff, and then me,

1080
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 2: I felt nothing. I had no reaction to it. I

1081
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: was like, oh, there's a man's shin. You could see

1082
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: his you know, bone and vital organs and must muscle tissue.

1083
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: That's great. I didn't even Luke.

1084
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: Look, when you passed, it's gonna be the same thing

1085
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: as when what happens when people passed. People will say

1086
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: nice things about you on Twitter, they'll write a nice

1087
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: you know, eulogio obituary, but in their head they'll be

1088
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 3: keeping score and they'll be like, you know, he's actually

1089
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: a pretty nice guy. He doesn't get respect great at

1090
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: his job. But he did take his wife an unborn

1091
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: child to a cannibal corpse concert. Part of him I

1092
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: think was already dead before he actually passed, you know.

1093
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: Sounds about right now. This is one I do. I

1094
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: really enjoyed. Ian Keller, hurt are feitting Hunter A Zurie.

1095
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: I can never say his last name right Azure three

1096
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: p forty of the second round, Dude, that little dip,

1097
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: that little haggler dip where it looks like I'm trying

1098
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: to set up for a body shot, and then I

1099
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: whip around with the left hook, put him on his ass,

1100
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 2: and then finished him off with a hammer fist up

1101
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: a weight class BC. I'd take my hat off to

1102
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: Brian Keller.

1103
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: Hurt and I saw your tweet that former MMA beat

1104
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: panelists are bad asses, which you know historically hadn't really

1105
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: been the case. Who do you think is the toughest,

1106
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: the second toughest though, former MMA be who's coming out

1107
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: of that cage? You or Phoenix?

1108
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: I'll give Phoenix the nod. I'm old and broken, you know,

1109
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: I'm sad. I'm a sad old. I'm a sad old

1110
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: goat tied to the barn. You know. I'm they should

1111
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: just put me to put me to sleep, but i

1112
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: they keep me on the the property to eat all

1113
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: the beer cans. I'm sad. But anyway, talking about Brian.

1114
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: Wagon hike outside the cage with a black light, Yeah yeah.

1115
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: Right, what'd you make of the win? Pretty nice? Right? Yeah?

1116
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty nice? And moving up in wait, look he's turned,

1117
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: he's rebounded nicely. Now two in a row. He's starting

1118
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: to put some things together. Great dude too, so shout

1119
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: out to that. But look, you know we're running out

1120
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: of minutes. We got a UFC Jack's Part three to

1121
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: preview here, I mean, what are you doing? Brow?

1122
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: And then lastly Honan, lastly, Chase Sherman had a nice

1123
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: win over villain Aeva. I like what he said after

1124
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: the fight. Look what's it like to be back in

1125
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: the UFC. He's like, you ever order a ten piece

1126
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: and then they bring you that extra wing. It's like that, bro.

1127
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: I was like, Chase Sherman, I understand you, sir, I

1128
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: understand you. What a great comparison.

1129
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: And that was a fun, little sloppy fight there. I

1130
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: did enjoy that. Good to see Chase Sherman back. He

1131
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: heard his backstory of the man just wants benefits, right,

1132
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: just wants medical benefits. Luke Okay, all.

1133
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: Right, real quickly, So we now go to Saturday's card.

1134
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: We can't get into all the different pieces. Some interesting

1135
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: ones on the prelim card. Courtney Casey is back against

1136
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: Mara Romero Burrella. Let's see Kevin Hollins on the card.

1137
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: Mike Davis versus Giga Chikazi is a great fight. I'm

1138
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 2: Matt Brown versus Miguel baisas on that fior on that card.

1139
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: So there's a lot to like.

1140
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: But we'll talk about the look the damn damage is back.

1141
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: That absolute dirt hoole with the bad tattoo. Yeah, I

1142
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 3: love that.

1143
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: Darren Elkins is back and it's right okay, So let's

1144
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: go to the top alistair over and taking on Walt Harris.

1145
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: They keep I'm dying to see this feature that they

1146
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: do on Walt Harris and obviously the tremendou struggle he

1147
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 2: has been through. What do you make of what's possible

1148
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: here we see? Because here's the thing. If someone said

1149
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: to you, what conditions should be in place for you

1150
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 2: to have the best camp? Having an unspeakable tragedy would

1151
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: probably not be near the top of the list. And

1152
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: yet fighters are so crafty and determined that they can

1153
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: take a horrific scenario, yes, and they can use it

1154
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 2: to elevate themselves. What are you expecting out of Walt

1155
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: Harris on Saturday?

1156
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 3: I'm actually expecting the breakthrough performance that this opportunity offers him.

1157
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: Now he's what like, of his last five, he's like

1158
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: four wins and then what that one no contest against

1159
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: our Lobsky that we talked about should have been a

1160
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 3: split decision when this is the opportunity against over him,

1161
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: who's really that elite gatekeeper level right now? Where if

1162
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 3: he wins this, I mean, he's in the conversation the

1163
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: larger conversation, that's where he wants to be. But to

1164
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 3: play into the mental side that you're talking about, now, look,

1165
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm not a fighter. I didn't lose the child there.

1166
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: But you know, I had a point in my career

1167
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: where my wife gave birth to twins four months premature.

1168
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: They were in separate hospitals for almost a full year,

1169
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: back in in lot of hospitals for a year. I

1170
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: remember at that time Luke working at ESPN, just throwing

1171
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: myself into my career and it was really a it

1172
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: was therapy. It was the only way to sort of

1173
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: stay normal. Well, I can't control all this other stuff

1174
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: in my life, but I can control this one thing.

1175
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna I'm gonna cling to this and

1176
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: go for it. And I think there's a reason why

1177
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: you have things like Brett Favre having that incredible Monday

1178
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 3: and at football game after his father died, right throwing

1179
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: all those touchdowns. When you have that type of hurt

1180
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: in that moment, sometimes you can bring out the best work.

1181
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 3: It's a crude comparison, but it's why the best rock

1182
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 3: albums typically come after. You know, these guys go through

1183
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: heartbreaking near heroin death, Luke, It's real, that's what happens. Okay.

1184
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 3: Sometimes the most beautiful art can come out of this

1185
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: cre chaos. And I think Walt Harris does have this

1186
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: opportunity to prove exactly who he is. He's got the size,

1187
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: he's the big ticket. But again, there's one thing to

1188
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 3: beat the kind of guys he has beat, and there's

1189
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: another thing to be a still game thirty nine year

1190
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: old over him. I don't question that Harris will have

1191
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 3: every opportunity, even with the uncertainty and all that we've

1192
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: been through, to put on his best performance. It's just

1193
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: up to him to do that.

1194
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then also Isaiah Thomas for the Celtics, his

1195
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: sister had died in a car accident, and then the

1196
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: next day he scored I forget how many, I think

1197
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: almost like fifty points or something. He had one of

1198
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: the best games of his career responding to it. So

1199
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: your right, it's a great point. Sometimes you just see

1200
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: these acts of heroism. Other times, though, people you know

1201
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: understandably can't quite function. So it's going to be really

1202
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: interesting to see your comin event. Claudia Acadillia taken on

1203
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: Angela Hill. Angela Hill dude, she's been on a tremendous run.

1204
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: But would you agree and I think you would toughest

1205
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: test today.

1206
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And this is like like Clausa has been

1207
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: clawing and scratching to show us her what her new

1208
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: thing is. Right, she went to she moved Tosey, she

1209
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 3: moved her camp to Jersey, training with Mark Henry. Yes,

1210
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: she had that wind over random Marcos, but she was

1211
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: still trying things out. She thought she was gonna get

1212
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 3: that close up against Alexa Grosso a few months back.

1213
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: Obviously that fight fell apart what the day before when

1214
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: Grosso so badly missed wait clause. Just trying to show

1215
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 3: us that in her early thirties she has evolved. She's

1216
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: figured out kind of like we were talking about with Tashera,

1217
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: how to fix the things that went wrong, add some

1218
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: new tricks to her game. I'm really excited to see

1219
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 3: how good she looks, because if you do follow her

1220
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: on Instagram, and no, I'm not going down the road

1221
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: you think I am, although I will if you want

1222
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 3: me to. Physically, she's in insane shape, Luke, and she's

1223
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: really been working at it. This is a good opportunity.

1224
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: I would have flavored CLAUSEA. Obviously before this run that

1225
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: Angie's been on, I still do though, I think she's

1226
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: a better fighter. But Women's Starwaites they bring it, Luke,

1227
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 3: they bring it. I know you don't follow Yo Wanna

1228
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 3: on Instagram. Maybe you should. Maybe we can repair that relationship,

1229
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 3: but they're gonna bring it on Saturday.

1230
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: You know. Here's what I'm looking forward to in this one.

1231
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 2: I think Angela Hill has the better cardio and Gadelia

1232
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: has been at the top of the division certainly significantly longer.

1233
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: But if you recall, she's trying to reform her style,

1234
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: which was just you know, strike a little bit but

1235
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: then to be kind of wrestling centric and then hopefully

1236
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: you either put them away or you just don't gas

1237
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 2: in time for the bell to expire. And then she

1238
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: tried to have a much more reformed, kind of deliberate

1239
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: boxing style where she was patient, it took her time,

1240
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: and it worked. It wasn't as exciting, but it worked.

1241
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 2: Angela Hill has made dramatic improvements, has better cardio, probably

1242
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: can't wrestle the same way that Gadelia can. But what

1243
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see here is one, what success does

1244
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 2: Angela Hill have too? If she does have success, does

1245
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: Gadelia revert back to being the wrestler does that even work?

1246
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: At this point against how good Angela Hill has become

1247
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: super intriguing co main event the other fight, Mark.

1248
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 3: Henry's got the codes, He's got the number system. I'm

1249
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 3: really looking forward to see if Clausia can can play

1250
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: in that style. And look, if she wins this, if

1251
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: Goadella moves on, I mean, pick the fights. You want

1252
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 3: to see her in a trilogy with Joanna wood Bang,

1253
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: how about a rematch with Androge, how about seeing her

1254
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: one day against Nama Yunis. There's some big fights ahead.

1255
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: For her totally. And then you have Dan Egay taking

1256
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: on Edson Barbosa. I love everything about this fight. Barbosa

1257
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 2: is a guy who you know, We've talked about guys

1258
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: who just don't give up on themselves after difficulty and

1259
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: and have trying to come back. You know that guy.

1260
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 2: Everyone I've ever talked to who trains with him and

1261
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: even now they're like, he just I mean, he does

1262
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: not miss a practice, doesn't miss a minute of it.

1263
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: He is in there working his balls off every time.

1264
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: But Dany Gay is the same way. And we were

1265
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: talking about Drew Dober making improvements. Dan Ega came in

1266
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: and I looked at it and I certainly respected him.

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Speaker 2: I was like, he's a good fighter, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: know he was like a good fighter, dude, he might

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Speaker 2: actually be a very good fighter. This is his chance

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Speaker 2: to prove to us, are you that next level guy?

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Speaker 2: Got a new four fight deal with the UFC. He

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Speaker 2: trains with Eric Nixon out of Extreme Coutur alongside of Well,

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Speaker 2: he's the same coach who trains H Francis and Ganu

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Speaker 2: And this is this is his chance. This is his

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Speaker 2: chance to elevate himself to that next level. And then

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00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 2: for Barbosa, BC is his chance to say, wait a second,

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Speaker 2: young fella, you know I still got some work to

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Speaker 2: do in this division. I'm very excited about what's about

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Speaker 2: to happen here.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is the best fight on the card, straight up.

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Speaker 3: This is the most intriguing fight in the card. Egay's

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00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 3: five fight win streak but never fought somebody of this

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Speaker 3: level and danger. And you want to talk about Barbosa

1284
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: as like the master of violence. I was down at

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Speaker 3: ATT last year to interview some fighters, and in the

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00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: middle of talking to one of them. I hear over

1287
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Speaker 3: my shoulder, like what like the most violent sounds you

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Speaker 3: ever heard. You turn around, Barbosa's in the center of

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Speaker 3: the cave's doing spinning back everything against the pads of

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Speaker 3: vicious speeds, and it's just like you get that reminder

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Speaker 3: in real time about just how freaking dangerous this guy is.

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Speaker 3: Yet he's moving down in wait, Luke at thirty five?

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Speaker 3: Is it? I think he's thirty five years old and

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00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 3: he's lost four of his last six. This is either

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00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: going to be new life or you know, this could

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00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 3: be some heavy desperation, and you wonder if Ega with

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Speaker 3: the wrestling and the high volume style can can avoid damage.

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Speaker 3: But really just test test whether Barbos was able to

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Speaker 3: make that cut cleanly. It's gonna be really fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: He's had some bad luck too. I thought he beat

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00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: Paul Felder in the the rematch. You know he did

1302
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: obviously in Abu Dhabi, but I thought he had But

1303
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: still we're gonna see how much life is left in him.

1304
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: Eric Anders taking our Christoph Jocko. I don't have a

1305
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: strong opinion about it either way. The one that I've

1306
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: got my eye on is the opener to the card

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Speaker 2: BC song You Dong take it on. Marlon Vera. Marlon

1308
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: Vera another one of these guys who came in. You're like, oh,

1309
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: he's one of these Latin American guys who the UFC

1310
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: is just sort of treating as a developmental project. But

1311
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: he said, you know what, I'm not gonna I'm not

1312
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: gonna settle for just what people expect from me. So

1313
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: he moved to California trains with Colin Oyama, one of

1314
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 2: the greatest to me, Colin no one. Newer fans don't

1315
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: really know who Colin Oyama is, but he was the

1316
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: guy that made a Rampage who Rampage was, or at

1317
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: least was something part of that process, you know, when

1318
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: you give Rampage credit for his own efforts. But in

1319
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 2: terms of a coaching component, he is he is. Here's

1320
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this. I believe that Colin Oyama might

1321
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: be the best guy to take undeveloped talent and then

1322
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: turn it into develop talent when they're young. He is

1323
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: so gifted at that. He does it all the time

1324
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: with fighters you may not recognize. And I think Marlon

1325
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: Vera a Chito has become something really special. Song you

1326
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: Dong to me, has is dangerous and athletic and powerful.

1327
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: But Vera went the distance trading with John Lineker. I

1328
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: like Varia's chances here to show us that he is

1329
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: a really really serious contender in that feather way to

1330
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: do it.

1331
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's on a hell of a quiet wind streak,

1332
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: you know, which you just alluded to yourself. Vera, you

1333
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 3: have to love what Sadong brings. Though twenty two years old,

1334
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: he hasn't lost in something like eight fights. He's like

1335
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: seven zero to one, and that one was that draw

1336
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: against Cody Stammon, where you know he got doctor point.

1337
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 3: I thought he was the better fighter that night. He's

1338
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: one of mister Favors boys. And you know, I feel

1339
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 3: like your right has been talking about this guy forever

1340
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 3: yet hit the Kid's still only twenty two, Luke. This

1341
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 3: is a hell of a good funt look, I'm telling you.

1342
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 3: Of the three cards, obviously, two forty nine was so stacked,

1343
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: and I think it actually exceeded our expectations for a

1344
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: Wednesday night fight. Last night was really fun, but Saturday

1345
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: has a lot of potential to really jump out, jump out,

1346
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: to jump out of the womb. Here, what am I saying, here,

1347
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: throw the throw the baby out with the with the

1348
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: with the Uh yeah, anyway, you quickly went over that

1349
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 3: Christophe Jutco, Eric your boy Anders They're gonna bang.

1350
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, it's a fine fight. I mean again, I

1351
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 2: have nothing against it. It just doesn't doesn't stand out

1352
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: among the rest of the card there. But as I mentioned,

1353
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: Matt Brown coming back against Miguel Biasa, I love that.

1354
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: Anthony Hernandez taking on Kevin Holland should be fine on

1355
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: the undercard. The sleeper is what Mike Davis is, the

1356
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: guy that tuned up Thomas Gifford and then Giga Chikazzi.

1357
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: This you know, international class kickboxer that should be a

1358
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: hell of a contest. Courtney Casey, Mara Ramero, Brella Darren Elkins,

1359
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: as you mentioned against Nate Landwir and then Hadrigo Naciamento

1360
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: taken on Dantel Mays. I think he's from the Contender

1361
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: series of Memory Serves. So there you go. Any final thoughts, BC.

1362
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 3: Just that it seems to be. You know, if UFC

1363
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 3: gets through this third card in eight days without anything catastrophic,

1364
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 3: well done by them. You know they are bringing it back.

1365
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 3: You're seeing now what Arizona is opening up the doors

1366
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 3: Florida a lot. You know, your pro sports is coming back,

1367
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 3: you know, love them or hate I'm Dana was a

1368
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 3: big part of that. So I'm I'm I'm happy to

1369
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: see it.

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01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: Luke.

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01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 3: We need it, our business needs it, as long as

1372
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 3: it could be done right. This has been so much

1373
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 3: fun this week, it's been it's been crazy. We're putting

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01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 3: out shows left and right. Oh, speaking of that, Luke,

1375
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: can we can we drop a Barry horrorwit'z here on

1376
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: our fine folks at at Morning Combat Showtime, Malka, we

1377
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 3: got a new show, Luke.

1378
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: We certainly do it airs tonight so you're watching this.

1379
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: It's Thursday, May fourteenth, tonight on Showtime Extreme, I believe

1380
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: at ten pm. If memory serves BC, you and I

1381
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: on the Low have been doing episodes where you and

1382
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 2: I we speak to Scott Coker and Mara Ronalo about

1383
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: some of the Strikeforce's biggest fights, biggest rivalries, biggest moments.

1384
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: We did Thompson Melendez, we did Cormier's run through the

1385
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: Headway Grand Prix. We did what made Frank Shamrock one

1386
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: of the bigger stars of.

1387
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 3: The Strike of who's in that think of who's in

1388
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 3: that archive vault. You're you're talking about guys like Nick Diaz,

1389
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 3: Kong Lee. I mean, there's some fun stuff coming in

1390
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: this series. Look, it's been a lot of fun. And

1391
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 3: don't forget about Friday. This Friday night, ten pm Eastern.

1392
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 3: You want a little MK companion, how about when Showtime

1393
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: rears Heyweather McGregor a little fun fight to go back

1394
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 3: and watch again. Mayweather Ma Donna won really arguably Floyd's

1395
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 3: most exciting fight. Maybe outside of those castile fights. We're

1396
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 3: gonna be there along with them. Okay, two bare minimum,

1397
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: It's gonna be fun.

1398
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: Look a right, you're gonna be we have we have

1399
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: lots of a broadcast today. Uh you could check the

1400
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: one on Showtime Extreme tonight, and then of course we

1401
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 2: have the Companion tomorrow and then Saturday of the fights.

1402
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: So we're keeping people locked on with plenty of content,

1403
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: plenty of analysis and insight, and then we're back on

1404
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: Monday BC for another round of the traditional Morning Combat Show.

1405
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 2: What do you think for our first Morning Combat Extra?

1406
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: I thought it went pretty good except for mar Snafflu's

1407
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 2: that ruined things at the beginning.

1408
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: We didn't even hear from Jay once except I even

1409
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 3: made it back to the Future reference and this guy

1410
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: who made that Back in Time documentary, he didn't even

1411
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 3: chirp in on there. So it was nice to hear,

1412
01:02:59,000 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 3: you know.

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. The sound of silence when Jay

1414
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: is around is truly a joy. Okay, BC, do they

1415
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: have any graphics for us to plug on social I

1416
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: don't think that they do. Let's see, you got any

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Speaker 2: graphics for us to plug? No graphics? You got nothing?

1418
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Speaker 2: like the video, subscribe to the channel. Check us out

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01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: at ten pm on Showtime Extreme tonight and then tomorrow

1421
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: join me and BC, I think also at ten pm

1422
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 2: on regular Showtime. Hey, let's watch Mayweather, My Donna and

1423
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 2: then relive Mayweather McGregor together. Bring a beer, bring a

1424
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Speaker 2: glass of wine, bring some booze, and let's have a

1425
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: good time.

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Speaker 3: Right to me, let me put the last bit of

1427
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Speaker 3: pressure on you people. Now is the time to subscribe

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1431
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1432
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Speaker 3: be a part of that. Get on board early. All

1433
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Speaker 3: do it all right? Yeah, thank you, thank you. I

1436
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 3: want to get out of this basement one day.

1437
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. All right. We see great stuff today.

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Speaker 2: I hope everyone enjoyed it. Thank you guys so much

1439
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: for watching. We'll be back with you live on Friday night.

1440
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Speaker 2: Check us out on Showtime Extreme tonight and until next time,

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