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Brought to you by the United States 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:28.440 Forest Service and the AD Council. Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.240 and I wanted to let you know. This is a 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.880 compilation episode. So every episode of the week that just 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:38.080 happened is here in one convenient and with somewhat less 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.760 ads package for you to listen to in a long 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.120 stretch if you want. If you've been listening to the 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.360 episodes every day this week, there's gonna be nothing new 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:54.720 here for you, but you can make your own decisions. Well, 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.480 I'm Robert Evans. They have said that already. I don't know, 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.400 Like I said, too many mother fucking podcasts. But this 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:07.560 is the last week episode, um and and with me 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:12.280 actually in the office right now. Maskless is a protest 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:18.160 against the mask man. Garrison. David, it's fine, it's fine, Garrison. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.880 I understand that that you don't believe in health mandates. Okay, 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.880 we have to respect each other's differences. No, I have 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.680 magic to protect myself. That's right, that's fine. You use 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.920 chaos magic to protect yourself from COVID. Garrison, what do 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:34.919 you got for me. We're doing We're doing the first 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.519 it could happen here Daily book episode excellent, um sexy 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.200 and so irotic. We were looking for for spooky content 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.640 for Spooky Week and around Halloween, and I wanted to 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:51.080 find a book written by an unhinged like Christian writer 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.320 about what they think Halloween is. And I found I 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.120 found one with very very little browsing. It took It 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.359 was very quick. It took me like five minutes. It 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.040 used to be you were too well, no, because you 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:03.799 did grow up in the cold, but you were tooting 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.200 to remember this being a super mainstream I mean, I 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.120 wasn't like we had no Halloween. I was a kid. 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.000 We couldn't get treating. We had like we had, like 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.080 we had like a we had like a harvest party 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.840 the church put off, but like we had we had. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.760 I couldn't. I didn't. The first time I went trick 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.000 or treating was when I was like twelve and I 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.160 moved to Portland. No, I was like thirteen, was the 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.080 first time I went trick or treating? Yeah, it's um, 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.480 I mean it used to be like it used to 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.160 be something that got more mainstream play, the like anti 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.520 Halloween thing. Um kind of tied in with a Satanic panic. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.840 I remember the early nineties, that's what this book is 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.760 going to be about. Angry about it, but man, it 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.560 just is like it's it's it almost feels like homey 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:45.040 and comforting. Thinking that this book has been oddly comforting 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.680 because it just reminds people with childhood was like, because 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.080 that's just all the same stuff. Yeah, I want you, 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.400 I want you to read the title and the author 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:57.120 of this amazing book. Okay, so this is wow. The 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.440 cover is honestly just looks like a normal jack It 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.400 looks like a regular a bat into a jackal lanard, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.960 but it's got like spooky white smoke coming out of it. 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:15.360 The title is Helloween Satan's New Year, by doctor Billy Dimily. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.760 It's not a real name. Is not a real name, 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.919 Billy Billy like it's I swear to God listeners, b 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.920 I L L y E. That is not a name. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.400 And the name it is certainly not Billy, that's Billy, 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.760 but the last name it was just as bad. Dimily. Yeah, 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.840 d y M A L L y dim ally ally 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.880 nonsense nonsense. So we have whenever you find a Christian 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.240 book written by someone with doctor and from their first name, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:44.680 you know, you know it's gonna be good. You gotta 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.400 figure out what kind of doctor. Guess what? Guess what 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.040 kind of doctor. So, first of all, for the maybe 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.400 so Billy dim Ley, the author earned Billy earned a 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.000 theological doctorate of ministry in the mid eighties at the 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:02.719 Honolulu extension of the of the Western Conservative Baptist Theological 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.720 Seminary headquartered in Portland, Oregon. So that's fine. The Honolulu 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:11.160 one headquarters. The branch was in Hollelululu, but the headquarters 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.120 was apparently in Portland, Oregon in the eighties, and that 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.520 makes sense muchure if it's still here. But you know, 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:20.960 sister cities Portland and Honolulu. She wrote at least fifteen 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.960 original manuscripts her word manuscript um on a wide range 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.560 of biblical doctrines. And I believe so, I mean it 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.680 has she her pronounces, I got, I can't continue, I'm 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.599 gonna look this up. So yeah, Billy. So then the 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.760 book that we're looking at is is one one of 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:45.559 her fifteen manuscripts um self published by Infinity Publishing. Um. Yeah, 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:50.200 this was in the publish in two thousand six. That 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.600 and if that's her actual picture on the front. She 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.640 just kind of looks like a looks like a white lady, 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.719 like a white lady. So yeah. So one of my 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.480 favorite parts of the book so far is right when 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.560 you opened up to the title page, it says Halloween 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.760 satans know you're the titled the book, and then as 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.479 a as a brief description of what the book is, 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:11.240 it says, a systematic compilation and narrative of paraphrased Bible scriptures. Oh, whoa, No, 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.120 that is not her on the cover, because she is 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.640 not a white lady, is she not? So that's her? Oh? 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.560 She she's like a black conservative bath Yeah, just like 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.840 she looks like kind of like a judge. She does 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.920 look a lot like a strong judge, does judge energy? Yeah? Okay, 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.960 well I I do. I do love the systematic compilation 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:35.560 narrative of paraphrased Bible scriptures, not actual Bibles. Not actual 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:40.320 Bible scriptures. Wow, God Garrison, Uh huh. You want to 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.320 guess what she has as her as her place of 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:48.120 employment on Facebook? Well, let me think, I don't know. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:52.280 I'm gonna read it verbatim works at in and this 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.760 is all caps now the service of God. Alright, she 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.640 works at in the service of she does work at 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.159 the service who doesn't work at in the service of God? 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:05.240 Am I right fucking incredible? Based on this book, I'm 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.320 guessing she got real, real into Q and on. But 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:08.960 that's just based on what I read. I think she 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.160 may have died. Oh really well, her last post is 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:17.840 in February. Oh, I wonder what happening around in February. 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.960 Maybe she's just not super into Facebook but just posting 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.320 quite a lot. I think she's not. She's actually not 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.840 super He's a decent chance COVID got her. Yeah, maybe 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.760 she just doesn't use a lot of social media. That's fine, Okay, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.800 continue please, So yeah, I do like that She describes 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.280 the book as paraphrase Bible scriptures, not actual par paraphrase 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.160 and and Bible paraphrase Bible scriptures on the doctrines of 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:48.280 good and evil, including an expose on the practice of witchcraft, magic, occultism, divination, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.239 and Satan worship, so that that is how she describes 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.800 the book. Now, the book is like almost The book 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.680 is two pages long, and it is mostly the same 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:01.240 sentence rewritten in like twelve ways. It's all saying about 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.720 how good Jesus is and how evil Satan is and 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.920 how people using magic our servants of Satan. Basically it's 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.240 just that for for two hundred pages, and she includes 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.880 like a lot of a lot of like again paraphrase 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.640 Bible scriptures about you know, basically like really classic evangelical 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.560 kind of conservative Baptist Christianity type stuff. Um so that's 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.560 how most of the book is. There's there's not much 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.120 Halloween content in this Halloween book. That doesn't surprise. That's 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.560 often the case with these weird life Yeah, it's just 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.400 it's they've got some bizarre theological gripe that's only potentially 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.040 related to the culture ward stuff. I'm like, like they 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.520 have like stuff on like Zionism and the Holy Spirit. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:43.920 I bet she's got great takes on sacred books, Baptism. 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:45.760 Like it's a whole bunch of a whole bunch of 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.960 just like regular kind of conservaive Christian stuff. Except there 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.000 is one chapter that is pure gold. It's called the 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:56.520 Witch of Endor and it is this is this is 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.640 the explos day on witchcraft and Halloween. I'm very excited 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.000 it is. It is the best part of the book. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.360 And um hand, it's it's like at least like thirty pages. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.040 I'm not gonna we can't read the whole thing because honestly, 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.520 again it is mostly the same kind of sentences. But 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.560 I have highlighted a few a few key passages from 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.920 the Witches of endor Um to to distill out to us. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.480 So first the first thing, That first thing for when 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:27.160 when a billy billy, billy billy. So in the section 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.240 called what is a witch? Uh, he says, which is 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.280 a sorcerer, Which is a Satanist, which is worship ancient 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.120 false gods and practice magic. Magic is the divinely forbidden 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.640 black heart of bringing about the results beyond the human 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.839 power by use of evil spirits and including the devil 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.480 and his demons. Magic always brings Satan's diabolical power into play. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.360 So it's it's it's really good, um. She She goes on. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.599 She goes on to to describe the practice of witchcraft 0:09:54.679 --> 0:10:00.120 using like a cult, formulations, incantations, magical mutterings, peeping and chirping. 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:05.679 No it says, it says chirping parenthesis, criminal hypnosis parenthesis. 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:10.080 Oh okay, that's chirping, that's exactually, clear up. That's what 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.839 makes a good writer is when you you you anticipate 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:19.320 the questions chirping criminal hypnosis. Yeah, that writer would have 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.679 further explained, is that hypnosis that is itself criminal? It 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.040 is that is hypnosis on a criminal? Has it hypnosis 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.120 that makes you criminal? It does not give you any 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:35.800 indication real mystery. Yeah. So she she she basically rounds 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.520 up all all different types of of kind of magic 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.760 and a cultism into this, into this banner of witchcraft. Um. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.640 She said that there's there's no distinction to be made 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.200 between witchcraft and sorcery, despite the erroneous claims that sorcery 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:51.120 is diabolical and witchcraft is creative art. Both are diabolical 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:55.000 and devilish. Yeah, I mean, I guess I I do 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.120 agree with her that I don't feel like there's a 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.840 meaningful distinction between craft and sorcery, um, in that they're 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.280 both things from from from your books that you read 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.360 as a kid. But so, the first thing she gets 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.520 into in witchcraft, I think is this. It is a 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.760 weird intro, but I guess it makes sense from like 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.760 her perspective is demon possession. So this is the first 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.760 the first like technique that she gets into demon demon 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.079 possession is a result of which is of richcraft incantation 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.760 in diabolical whipchcraft, the which voluntarily invites the devil and 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.120 his and his demon spirits, who are sometimes referred to 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.280 as the goddess or god of, or the host of 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:36.200 a particular names of a particular deity for each society. However, 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.040 there's a difference between demon possession through deliberate invocation than 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.400 demon possession by demonic internal attack upon helpless and often 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:48.400 unsuspecting suspects. Possession is often a common aftermath of certain illness, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.840 of certain forms of certain illnesses, such as strokes. So 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.080 she says that the most one of the easiest ways 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.360 to figure out if you're possessed is if you have 0:11:58.360 --> 0:11:59.920 a stroke, also if you have if you have eppele 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.680 s or coma. This is really you know, my my, my, 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.839 my grandpa was pretty hard into demonology there at the end, 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:15.800 she's oh man. And one of the fun things about 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.560 this book though, is that she really tries to hammer 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.360 down and all of like the biblical examples of witchcraft, 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.800 which there is like a few, Yeah, it's the Bible. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.080 There's lots of wacky magic, and she really tries to 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.800 convince like her Christian readers that witchcraft is a current 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.040 problem to be worried with, um, because she is. She's 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.240 kind of upset that people view it as like a 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.840 fake thing. She's like, no, it's real. It's in the Bible. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.440 You have to be scared of it. Um. The God's 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.800 word authenticates the reality witchcraft. Therefore it is not mere superstition. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:46.840 So a lot of a lot of this is her 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.760 trying to her trying to scare people into believing that 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:54.319 witchcraft is actually is a is an ongoing problem. Yeah. 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.680 She says that the familiar spirits of which is spoken 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.920 of in the Bible are referred to in folk history 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.200 is dwarves, fairies, trolls. I don't know where this one is. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:08.559 What's was this? Was this? You don't know what? Don't Well, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.360 they're usually like a cr one or less, little monster, 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.200 little bit of reptilian things often found in dungeons. If 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.640 you got a low level party you want to bring 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.600 them up against. I mean, cobalds are one of the 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.520 things that you could have them go up against person. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.800 I have not encountered them. Weird games. Yeah, they're they're 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.200 little little, little little lizard type type goblin things. So 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.120 those guys dwarves, fairies, trolls, and other small spirits of 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:35.600 northern folklore. They can be friendly, mischievous, or malignant. In folklore, 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.040 they were purported as nature spirits. This is the other 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.280 thing she really hammers down on is that if you 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.679 like nature, that means that you're actually a Satanist. That 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.640 scans which is that that does remind me of my 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.880 explore Nature Hail Satan shirt, which is my favorite shirt. Yeah, 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.400 that is mean that that you do. That is a 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.400 very good shirt. It's pretty good. So she she traces 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.199 back the origin of magic to the fall of man 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.319 at the beginning of human history, as as said in 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.760 the book, is that where we got magic. That's what 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.280 she says. Um, she says, so basically, the way she 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.640 explains it is that you know magic and this is 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.240 something actually kind of a group. It's like magic is 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.880 the idea of like that you are kind of on 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.640 your way to become God in some way. Um, this 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:24.840 is and in terms of like in terms of like 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.200 in terms of like chaos magic it's like you're trying 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.960 to like increase your own ability to have power over you, 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.400 like your own life and that of the idea. So 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.200 what she says, is that basically in the fall of 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.200 in Genesis, when Eve tried to eat the try to 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.640 eat the fruit fruit of the knowledge of of good 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.000 and evil. This was her attention, Like, this was her 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.920 attemption to like gain god like power. God can see 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.720 good and evil. At the time, man could only see good. 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.080 So when Eve ate the fruit, she was trying to 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.400 become like God. She was taking agency over her existence 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.120 and her fact eating the fruit to gave her the 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.240 magic power to see good and evil, right, which what 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.400 we have now. So this is how this is how 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.840 she tricks back the origin of magic. She's a biblical 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.560 she's obviously because you know she's a conservative Baptist. She's 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.960 a biblical literalist. She reads The Garden of Bean as 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.280 a literal historical tale, not as like a piece of 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.240 poetry or art men to like symbolize things and culture 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:21.360 like it was obviously written as Um okay, I mean yeah, 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:29.000 there's a lot of a lot of misogyny in this book. Um, sorry, Billy, sorry, 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.120 there is a lot she rails against feminism later on, 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.640 and there's a lot of hatred because like Eve was 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.320 the one that ate the fruit, so the woman's fault 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.640 like the woman is like the tempter of man. It's 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.040 always their fault. That's that's very well tread evangelical ground, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.160 although it is extra fun when it's a woman who 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.640 is hating on Yeah, and it's it's easier because this 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.240 whole chapter is about witches and which is are typically feminine. Um. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.600 But she she does say that there's like wizards and warlocks, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.160 but she just kind of ripped them all together. I 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.720 searched a second ago and I couldn't find any evidence 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.600 that she wrote books about Harry Potter. M So this 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.800 was written to us in six So from what I've read, 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.200 I have not seen Harry Potter mentioned in this. So 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.880 far fascinating, is boy that piste off a lot of 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.800 people who are otherwise very similar to Yeah, I sure did. Yeah, 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.840 So yeah, let's see she is. She she is very 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.920 concerned that that Satanism and witchcraft is basically a re 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.320 re invention of paganism um. And she finds this to 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.240 be incredibly disturbing and tying into a whole bunch of 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.480 like all like the woo woo spiritual stuff of the nineties. 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.720 It is also very concerned about She says millions are 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.520 now involved in some manner of ancient magical practice and rights, 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.920 ranging from walking on hot coals with no ill effect, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.960 spooking knives through flesh without creating wounds, to reading from 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.080 blind eye sockets or from sighted eyes which have been masks, 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.800 to magically filling the cade teeth with gold, which I 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.680 don't know is that is that just dentistry? What is 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:57.240 she referring to? I have parents who have like gold fillings. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.400 A lot of people that doesn't, um that's witchcraft. I 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:07.040 don't think that is witchcraft in a way that it 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.600 it makes money disappear. Also, it's I would I would 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.960 compare most dentistry to more like armed robbery. But sure 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.320 I haven't had great dentist experiences. Yeah, I mean I'm 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.679 not a big dentist. Dentists are bastards, would be my contention. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.960 So yeah, she she She says that basically the sign 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.560 of the of the new uptick and magic around this 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.000 is a round to us and six is right up 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.879 to the panic was the sign of the end times. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.119 Magic is the colossal revolt against God, whose satanic purpose 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.560 is to instill in fallen man the desire to be 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:40.880 a god. Did I say cool? That sounds rast. Yeah, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.520 I mean that is that's also the Mormon faith. More 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.760 or less, I'm sure she has opinions about more. We're 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.160 gonna get to her opinions on the Irish Lader so good, 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:54.960 oh good, oh fantastic. Yeah, she has a lot of it. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.480 That she's real, real punchy towards the Papists. So she 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.600 does down the difference that she she sees between black magic, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.440 white magic, and what she calls a neutral magic. Um. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.800 She says that the term black magic refers to the 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.520 direct league with Satan himself, often involving an actual blood 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.240 pact of allegiance, so that she she thinks that the 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.679 black magic is when you directly involve Satan, and white 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.320 magic is merely black magic in a in a in 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.840 a mask. It may it may deceptively employ the names 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.520 of Jesus, Christ, Got the Father, and the Holy Spirit magically, 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.520 along with other Bible phrases and the Christian terminology, but 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.000 this facade is covering its demonic character, so she thinks 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.200 that even though they may use this is interesting. Like 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.760 she she complains here that white magic uses the names 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.200 of God and Jesus and in its magic, but later 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.200 on in in the book, she complains that no magic 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.320 uses God's name, so that's a fun thing that we'll 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.360 talk about in the book. Um. And then and then 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:57.240 for neutral magic, um, she says, the devil shrouds himself 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:01.120 with nature. He is referred to he is. Oh boy, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.280 he's that. That's that's her take on Wicca. Huh. He's 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.439 he's revered as mother nature and worship and a door 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:13.919 by which is under this deluding guy's neutral magic. Satan 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.240 just dresses up as leaves and it's how Yeah that 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.640 makes sense. Yeah, Wika only gets one mention in this actually, yeah, 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.800 but she's clearly like that's what she's talking about. I mean, 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.840 she talks about a lot of like she she uses 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.920 these terms very loose. She's got a lot of gradients. Yeah, 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:32.800 a lot of gradients. Yeah. Uh. She has a small 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.680 section on magical ceremonies and symbolism and kind of actually 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.239 lays out kind of how magic works in terms of 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.560 like using like like like this, like symbolic objects and 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.639 incantation and like calling upon powers, which is more like 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.400 traditional magic. Um. I find it more fun to call 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.680 on fake characters because it's very silly, which is more 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.040 of a more of a chaos magic thing. Yeah, um, 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:54.880 because the more silly again, I think, the more fun 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.520 it is. Then she does have a nice section on initiation, 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.080 rites and rituals, which gets into the really good Satanic 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:07.479 panic stuff. So she she she describes the you know, 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.199 a covid of of which is coming together to have 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:15.119 sex with the devil um usually maybe like symbolically with 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.399 like a male leader of a cult or something. But 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.720 then she says, when the initiation has been completed, the 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.000 devil worshiper takes part in a parody of the sacrament, 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.040 many times bringing in the bodies of children who who 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.160 whom they have murdered. Good. Yeah, that's the good ship. 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.359 That's the good ship. In America alone, there are over 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.560 one million missing children at any time. Many of these 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.120 children who are never found or seen again are victims 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.399 of satanically controlled perverts who do the grossest forms of evil, 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.960 but many more are the victims of witchcraft and incantations 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:50.919 and other rights. Oh that's great. These children who are 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.639 being stolen at an astonishingly at an astonishing rate each day, 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.000 maybe stolen from unbelievers homes, or they maybe children conceived 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:02.560 by the witches, themselves at regularly held sexual orgies, which 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.720 is there that that's an old one, that whiches are 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.800 having orgy babies and like not reporting them to Yeah, 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.440 the children are often offered up a sacrifice to the devil, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.320 and some ceremonies that which has may boil the children's bodies, 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:16.919 mix them with lobes and substances, or they may consume 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.560 the children's bodies in the blood ritual parody of the 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:24.000 Lord's supper. So that's fun. And I do like that 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.600 this idea never went anywhere and is not and there's 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.760 not an important part of the USS politics now No, no, no, 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:36.800 of course not nope. Um, yeah, to hear it. That's 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.280 pretty good. That is that is that is fun. She 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.919 she does have a small section on a pagan music, magic, religion, 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.520 and sorcery are some of the means used by the 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.440 devil for the purpose of luring men away from the 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:52.160 Christian truth. The heavy metal, punk, hip hop and other 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:59.920 such abuse than confinding the Western European world. Okay, yeah, no, no, yeah, 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:04.480 I don't remember when it's actually gets quite more racist, 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:12.400 I'm not. It's counterpart of the hypnotic traits inducing inducing 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.080 drum rhythms employed throughout the whole world by the African 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:20.920 nations through the millions, which the insidious and evil mstr 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.719 the devil and setting them to sexual lust in Satan worship. 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:26.280 It is incredible that in two thousand six she's doing 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.000 the black people music is the Devil and she is 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.640 also like black which is very safe. It's incredible. Yeah, 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.879 it's uh yeah, unfortunate would be a word for it. Yeah, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.280 well I is it? Is it time for an ad break? 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.080 I'm not looking at the close. Yeah, it's probably about 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:49.680 time for an ad break. Speaking of oh oh boy, yeah, 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.600 speaking of millions of missing children. Maybe some of them 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:56.800 are in these ads. We're back putting more children in 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:00.800 the cauldron. Oh we're recording. Sorry, anyway, back to back 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.800 to reading this magnificent two hundred page book by dr 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:11.880 I've read the first hundred pages because after that it's 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.119 just the same words, rewritten it again and again in 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.959 different in different combinations. Like it's just it's just the 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.439 same stuff. Um. So the next section is this is 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.000 this is and again I'm skipping over a lot of stuff, 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:24.600 but this is like the rough this is the most 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:28.200 fun sections of her stuff on magic and which is um. 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.840 Now we have her section called Halloween Satan's New Year. Um. She. 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.920 She starts by explanning, which is celebrate eight major festivals 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:38.719 or Sabbats each year. Halloween is the primary annual festival 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.639 commemorating Satan's New Year. Yeah. She then goes on to 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.080 explain that the Sabbat is a parody of the holy 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.040 Sabbath of God. Now, this is actually really interesting kind 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.840 of historical tidbits. So, yes, the words Sabbat in terms 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.399 of which is does come from does come from like 0:23:54.520 --> 0:24:00.679 the Sabbath? Yeah, this actually probably comes from, uh, the 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:04.080 persecution of witches being heavily tied to anti Semitism in 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:07.439 the Middle Ages. So the first witch hunting book was 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:12.200 called The Hammer of the Witches um and it is Yeah, 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.800 And it is large port large portions of which are 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:18.000 plagiarized from a previous book called Hammer of the Jews. 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.480 The entire sections are copying, pasted, They just change the 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.199 word Jews to which you really had to put the 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:29.040 effort into plagiarism back then because your hand had not 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.600 like know, you're doing the whole thing yourself. This is 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:35.000 also where like a lot of like the pointy hat, 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.800 which stuff a lot of like the big nose with 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.639 like like like a really big nose, green oily skin like. 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:42.800 All the stuff kind of comes from anti Semitic tropes 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.800 because the persecution of Jews and the Semitism was heavily 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:48.480 tied to the persecusion of which is often one of 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.480 the same things. So when they would do so, then 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:53.160 when they would do Sabbath, they would they would say, 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:55.480 like they're doing like a Sabbat, they're going to they're 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.960 going to basically do like blood libel with children and 0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:00.600 with the devil, which is what which is what a 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.600 lot of witches are about, like finding children and stuff, 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.199 because that it actually is tied to all the stuff. Now, 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.359 I'm not saying we have to cancel witchcraft, which is 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.040 totally fine. You could do all this stuff. It is 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.119 really cool, but the or a lot of the origins 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:15.920 of which hunting is tied to these antis anti Semitic tropes. Um. 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:19.120 So anyway, she she goes to describe different like pagan 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:23.000 like festivals throughout the years um with like like Yule 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:24.920 and all this kind of stuff, Midsummer blah blah blah 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:27.680 blah blah. And the last one, the eighth one is 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:31.480 October three one, or Halloween, because she calls the the 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:35.720 unholy Satanic New year. Um. She says that the rights 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.520 and ceremonies and which Halloween was originally observed, had their 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.600 origin among the Druids. In the course of time, there 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.199 were added to them some of the rights, particular to 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:48.040 the Roman festival of Panama, which is which presided over 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.159 their harvests. November first among the Druids was the beginning 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:52.960 of the year and the festival of the Sun God. 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.399 They lighted fires in honor of their false god. They 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:57.800 believe that October thirty one the end of the old year. 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.040 The Lord of Death, which she puts in apprent this 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.920 is the devil. Oh good, I'm really, I'm really again 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.119 very appreciative of how of how clear her writing is. 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.280 So the Lord of Death gather gathered together all the 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:10.920 souls of the dead who had been allowed to enter 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.600 the body of another human being. The belief is that 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.080 the root this belief is the root of the false 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:19.040 belief and reincarnation. Now I did not fact fact check 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.280 any of this, so I have no idea how how 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.919 accurate these these claims are. For what she views as 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.480 the origin of Halloween. But I think they're pretty funny. Um, 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:29.280 I know, like there is Halloween, like Halloween kind of 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.520 traditions are are There is like stuff around this time 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.800 through a lot of like old pagan stuff. Like the 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:37.639 modern notion of Halloween is pretty pretty modern, like the 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.520 whole like tricker treating thing and all. Like the way 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.120 we modernly think of Halloween is pretty it's pretty new, 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.280 because I mean there was of course, like all Hallow's 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.119 Day or like All Saints Day and the evil which 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.480 other people would do Shenanigans, which is what we currently 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:53.439 have as Halloweens. That's the day before All Saints Day. 0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.000 All Saints Day is November one. Um, Like, you know, 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.520 the modern notion of Halloween is not it's not super old. 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.800 So I'm not quite sure how tied these old harvest 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.560 festivals really are to our modern Halloween. That's something I 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.439 could look into later, but I just picked up this 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.920 book and I'm reading right from it because that's easier. 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:14.320 So yeah, So she views Halloween now as like as 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:18.520 a pagan the pagan holiday. Um, this pagan festival, Halloween 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.840 is it broadly celebrated throughout the Christian nations as a 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:24.119 major holiday in America, Halloween has become a kind of 0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:28.400 saturnalia for children, a night in which of the rules 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:31.240 are suspended and children venture out to demand streets and 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:35.240 certain reprisals against this dingy. Yeah, okay, I mean that 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.480 is a cooler way of looking at Halloween. If it 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.600 were literally the saturnality a children would actually take the 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.320 role of the parents and make decisions for the family 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.320 and demand Yeah, I mean parents would have to go 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.480 to school, kids would have to go to work. That 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.440 would actually be an incredible that would be. That would 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.000 be so many people would die in plane crash. It 0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.480 would be especially if you enforced it, like you don't 0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:01.639 have a choice your you are piloting the plane today 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.000 and a bunch of other kids are getting on it 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:05.959 to go on work. So the kids on air traffic 0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.280 control they don't know what they're doing either. Forcing all 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.800 of the soldiers out of the various countries we've put 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.960 them in and having like the children of Special Forces 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:15.480 guys conduct raids. In the media, it is pretty easy 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:16.760 for a kid to use an a K, so I 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.600 think it is a rs even easier. Yeah, it would 0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:21.320 be funny. Yeah, A lot of people are not going 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.120 to have very successful heart surgeries that but it will 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:28.320 be very funny in like a cosmic sense. Increasingly and alarmingly, 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:32.000 this celebration is assuming dreadful expressions of evil and harmful 0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:36.000 acts are perpetuated against the children themselves. In serious proportions. 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:40.360 The treats are increasingly found to contain drugs, poisons, razor blades, 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:44.440 and needles, ground grass, many other harms. Maybe she meant 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:48.560 weed or something. Oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't even 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:52.520 think of that, because that's like needles and grass. Yeah, 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:56.160 oh no, grass, So yeah, she she, she does seem really, 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:59.520 really really thrilled with this idea that the people are 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:04.760 giving out drugs, which, man, what a dream I wish um. Halloween, 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:06.840 like Christmas, is also highly commercialized and it's part of 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:11.840 a major money making event for the merchants, okay breaking 0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.760 in at the present time, second only to Christmas in 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.800 that vein. Halloween is the Satanic New Year, and as 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:20.960 a celebration of the devil and is he's using the 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:24.800 world today to gain greater acceptance of the perversity as 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:29.360 he continues to proclamate his doctrine of demons, so that 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.040 that is fun um. Then She has a very small 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.800 section on Old World Halloween traditions, which I'm not going 0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.160 to read tons of because again I don't know how 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.560 verified these things are, but I am going to read 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:41.560 like and she goes on to talk about like how 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.520 like the laws against witchcraft and like the six dres 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:48.880 and other stuff. Um she was, she was, but I do. 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.520 I will read just the first sentence of the Old 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:57.840 World Halloween Traditions section, Irish Traditions Devilition Origin. Yeah, here 0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:00.680 that Irish We're coming for you. I don't bring it 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:04.680 on various methods of finding the future and Halloween we're 0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:06.760 accepted as a tradition. So that that's really all I'm 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:08.800 gonna say, because I just love the line Irish Traditions 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.760 Devilish in Richard. Yeah, I mean that's I think every 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.240 Irish person I know would agree with that. That's really 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:19.880 all you gotta say. Yeah, oh man, it is it is. Wow, 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:21.680 what a what a book. It just keeps going on. 0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:25.280 So she talks about like the basically like the people's 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.920 different Honestly, this section is not even tons about Halloween 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.120 and more about different people's belief in witchcraft. So like 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.040 she goes through like all the laws against witchcraft in Britain. 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.280 She goes against like she goes she she talks around 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.280 the witch trials in America, um saying that there were witches. 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:48.320 She doesn't talk about all the like, come on you coward. Yeah, uh, 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.320 it's it's pretty she she has. It's a little bit 0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:53.120 of I I am actually gonna read some of the 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:57.320 stuff on on on America. Belief in witchcraft was common 0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.440 to the early settlers in America. But which is we're 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.680 charged with to make king wex and images of their 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.240 victims and causing their illnesses by sticking pins in the image, 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.240 or making by sticking pins in the image, or making 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.560 them waste away by melting the images before the fire. 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:12.960 This belief is held by the peoples of Africa as 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.280 well as other pagan people in a and widely varieting 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.400 in widely varying civilizations and localities. The early settlers do 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.760 not initiate this belief in America, but found it already 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.720 to be believed in the American Indians who populated this country. 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.840 So that that's her little section on that which is 0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:33.959 I don't know, hashtag problematic, Yeah, would I would call 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:35.960 that slightly problemat I would call it slightly problems You 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:40.240 know what's not problematic, Garrison, the products and services that 0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:44.960 are gonna hopefully sell candy to kids. We we guarantee 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.360 that less than a third of them are responsible for 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:52.320 the disappearance of a million children, million children. That's the 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:54.640 behind the bastards guaranteed less than a third of our 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.960 sponsors who are undocumented too, well, yeah, but which is 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.040 making them much more. It's likely much more. But anyway, 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:05.239 here's the ads, here's the ads. Ah, we're back, we 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.480 are all right. Bring it home, Garrison, bring it home. 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.840 So yeah, she she does mention that the devil likes 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:16.880 to withhold the fact of existence of witchcraft, like the 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.680 devil likes to height. So most people kind of live 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.160 in the dark. Um, she says. Although the imps which 0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.760 frolic on Halloween now are small children raping on doors 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:29.880 and gleefully receiving treats. Rapping on doors, wrapping doors, not 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:34.120 raping on doors. That's a very different, very different holiday. Well, 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:38.880 who knows, that might be Canadian things. That's Canadian Halloween, 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:42.200 the night which was formally accepted as the time when 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.360 witches met and demons in the form of ghosts and 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.680 ghouls who were likely to wander about has come to 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.760 be regarded a's a time of merrymaking and frolic. The 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.720 majority of people are so engaged and are unaware of 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:56.320 they satanic consultation of the magic oracles and the Covin's 0:32:56.480 --> 0:33:02.640 and groves on this night. So consay, that's not how 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.160 you say it, Well, that's how I say. You just 0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:08.200 you just got COVID on the brain. COVID is what 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.840 you call a coven that meets during COVID because they're 0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:15.600 not properly socially distancing. All right, there we go. But 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.600 basically she thinks that basically these all of the witches 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.840 and magic doors are meeting, all these ghouls and Halloween 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:28.800 and people are unaware of this, extremely concerned that children 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:31.280 might like walk in on a ceremony and it didn't 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.080 get murdered. Very funny when you realize like how isolated 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:35.920 these people are from the real world because they've never 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.080 just like stepped outside during Halloween, not really like especially 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.280 I mean Halloween the two that's in six. I was 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.040 eighteen then, so maybe I'm wrong, but I think there was. 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.920 It wasn't huge then, Like it's gotten kind of smaller 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.880 every year. The biggest fear back then was like traffic accidents. Yeah, 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.200 that's always the biggest. That's like the number one thing 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.560 every year. Thinking back on it, my parents shouldn't have 0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:58.400 let me be a ninja as often as they did, 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:02.680 But I made it through. Yeah, it's like we're saying 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:04.040 so many the same words again that the most of 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:07.080 the book is. But Halloween Satan's New Year. Halloween has 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:09.719 a long and dark history of devilish traditions, which has 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.920 survived both Christianity and the science for two thousand years, 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.160 is to be considered the chief festival for the worship 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:18.240 of the devil, which begins his new year. Halloween and witchcraft, 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.239 or the means by which the devil seeks to reintroduce 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:24.120 the worship of old false gods by synthesis of polytheism 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:30.279 and feminism. Yeah, that's what Halloween issos and feminism, two 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:34.640 sides of the same devil coin. I love to worship 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.520 multiple gods and respect women. Just really, that is my 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.799 that's my way to spend a night with my ghoul friends. Incredible, 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.279 there's also a real here's a real here's a real 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.560 good quote. Um, there is no question of the existence 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.040 of modern witchcraft. It has been admitted. It has been 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:54.720 admitted of by thousands upon thousands worldwide and growing rapidly 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:58.040 in the Western countries, particularly America. The word of God 0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.600 makes it undeniably clear that witchcraft is a real It 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:02.960 has existed at least six thousand years, and it still 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.239 exists today. Oh good, Yeah, that's good. Six thousand years 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.160 going good. Good for happy six thousands. I just like that, 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:11.560 she add so that it's a better around for all 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:15.200 these six happy six thousands, six six thousand years witchcraft on. 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.520 I'm guessing because it's the new year, this is also 0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.320 the birthday of witchcraft. I mean also just the birthday 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.880 of the world. Because if the world as we know 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:26.400 was if if the world as we know it was 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.000 born when Eve ate the fruit and was Adam and 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:30.759 Eve went into the greater world, if that's like the 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.480 birth of Dawn, which has been here since the very beginning, 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.440 well since the beginning of like the fallen world, because 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.439 you have to assume that they had a hundred years 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:42.520 or so beforehand. It's real unclear this it depends on 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.600 what It depends on what denomination you're in and what 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.480 kind of theological viewpoint you have on whether there were 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.759 people outside the garden there as people who believe that 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.000 some people just don't um. That is up for debate 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:58.200 among different congregations. Yeah. So, and and the other thing 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.839 that she's really concerned with is that witchcraft is making 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.680 more people have sex because she she thinks that most 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.200 of witchcraft is practicing sexual orgies on quote every continent 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.279 of the world. Um. And that's what that's what that's 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:12.480 that's what black masses to her, So she is she 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.680 is very concerned. I mean, there's are in sometimes in 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:18.960 Black masses sexual elements to them that I hope. So 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:21.759 that is that it does sound much better. But she 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.440 she thinks that as another one of the main catalysts 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:28.319 of her being fearful of of paganism and witchcraft is 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:32.200 that is making more people have sex. Um. And again 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.440 she reiterates that this is just a new form of paganism, 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.040 saying that Satan's current day revival of paganism it's a 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:42.160 sure sign of Christ's second coming, and it's it's pretty good. 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.080 And this this is the section where she where she 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:47.360 complains that magic doesn't use the Bible, even though previously 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.200 she said that white magic does because some magic, some 0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.560 which is drawn other false religions such as the Kabbala, 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:57.040 uh Sufism, or various Eastern religions, but never the Holy Bible, 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.160 the Word of God, or is employed in their beliefs 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:04.279 or practices, except in a paradoxical counterfeit imaginative magic, rites 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:08.319 and rituals performed in the in the Covin's in the 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:11.320 initiation of the converts and their celebrations of Halloween and 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:15.080 other Satanic spots. So that's that's that's that's what she 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:20.000 thinks I mean. But honestly, I'm pretty sure it's it's 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:25.080 like the Shabbas. It's the Sabbath, it's the Sabba. I've 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:29.760 I've heard Covin and Sabbat in the starr. Alright, alright, 0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:32.600 let's have let's have a debate everyone everyone at no, 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.600 don't don't do that. Um. She also claims that this 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.440 is this is this is very exciting. Several universities in 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.840 America offer a bachelor's degree in magic. I was unaware. Oh, 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:47.000 I would love a bat unaware of because this will 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.240 read now, well, this will make me consider going to college. 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.000 Now a bachelor's degree? Is that A a B A 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:56.160 or is that a BS like? Is that like is 0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.040 it a Bachelor of Arts or of science? And really 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.759 that's a that's a key question about the school match 0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.239 match magic is both in our na science. So yeah, 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.640 well that's why I'm wondering. And she doesn't say, she 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.560 doesn't say what university she claims does this. I mean, 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.360 I've always wanted to open a witchcraft store, so I 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.960 may go back to get a b A in or 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:20.800 a BS in witchcraft along with my m F A M. 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:25.080 What's the business thing? What they don't I don't want 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.280 to fill it in with the acronym from the business degree. 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.160 Whatever you get. I don't know. We I dropped out 0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.600 of college. Garrison hasn't gone. Yeah, I went. I went 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.640 to film school. That doesn't count though it doesn't. It 0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:40.040 absolutely does not. Um. Yeah. And then in this last 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.000 section she really ties modern witchcraft to the rise of 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.520 feminism UM, specifically starting in the sixties. She says the 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.000 pre eminence of the goddess and witchcraft hasn't made an 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:53.240 attractive to some feminists. In ninety eight, which the woman's 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:58.040 International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell as an incredible acronym great 0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.040 acronym Amazing was founded as a political protist group who 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.399 who per purport, who purportedly justified their name as mere 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.640 jest ah. It is what a what a good name 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:15.479 which women international quite an exciting, quite an exciting back 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.120 when we could have fun and activism. That does sound amazing. 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.560 Many of the members of this feminist movement are unaware 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.680 of the cultural movement within the political and many are 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.680 are more and many more are entirely unaware of the 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.480 spiritualist movement within the cultural moment. So a whole bunch 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:35.200 of weird stuff around, how which is are using political 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:39.959 feminism to inject cultural feminism, to inject cultural witchcraft into 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.480 the mainstream. This is all what the goal of feminism is, 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.200 um so yeah, and she has this whole whole pair 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:51.160 of feminist feminist witches. Feminist witchcraft is at present the 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.239 most rapidly growing segment in the Witchcraft revival. And it 0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:55.840 is from the spiritual core at the heart of the 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:59.760 feminist movement that the political and philosophical women's rights tenants 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.839 as a whole emerge. To name what to name one 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.440 such tenant the rights to abortion, or more correctly phrased, 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:08.800 the might the rights to murdered children not yet born. 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:11.800 This this coincides with the which is present ritual practice 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.040 of murdering children already born. So she thinks that abortion 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:21.319 is just a way for which is to speed up 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.359 the ritual process. Yeah, that is what that is her 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.360 that that's her main bomb at the That sounds that 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:31.160 sounds accurate. Yeah, um, she doesn't. Just have a great 0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:34.960 section describing the different tools which is used. Um, and 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:42.239 and an athlete. A phallic penis symbol of the liberated, unbridled, 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:46.200 unlawful sex represents the power of self will. It's pretty 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:51.080 pretty good. Sexual symbols are common in witchcraft, and which is, 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:55.319 are unrepressed by God's mortal law in their sexuality. Their 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.879 use of sex symbols is rooted in paganism. So again, 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.279 she's very scared that people are having sex and enjoying it, 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:03.880 specifically women. She's very scared that women are having sex 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:08.920 and enjoying That sounds right. I hate it when the 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:12.200 people pushing this line are themselves women, But it does. 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:16.120 I mean, that's a huge part of the evangelical propaganda movement. Yeah, 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.960 see a bunch of ship, Margaret Atwood wrote. You know, 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.720 now she gets to describe some some of the coolest 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.920 parts here. A typical which is Sabbath celebration will have 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:30.400 a sky clad parenthesis, nude penthis which is gathered in 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.760 an isolated place, a grove of trees, if possible, around 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.480 an altar which holds an icon or statuary of a 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.719 false goddess and or God's, and candles for fire, a 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.680 child's for water or wine, a container of salt and 0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.440 a container for earth rather than the bread, and a 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.360 sword or a wand which sounds amazing to just have 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:51.920 a whole bunch of naked which is in the forest 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:56.160 around a ritual altar fire. This sounds like the best 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.359 best time ever. It does sound like a good Saturday night. 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.839 This does sound like it goes who knows, we can? 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.480 We can, we can get wild? So yeah. She goes 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.279 in to describe what she thinks magical rituals are and 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.640 different things that she could do again. She is very concerned. 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:14.560 Ritual sex is engaged into intensify the magical power raised 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:18.120 in the cone of power Wheels of the coffin Witches 0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.360 is symbolized with the code shaped hats see the typical 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:27.040 pictures of which is in literature. Are you fucking kidding me? 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:31.160 Because nobody wearing one of those hats has ever gotten fucked. 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:34.640 I feel confident say I wear that hat. All right, 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:38.759 Let's let's move forward, Garrison. That's not fair, allegedly, let's 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:43.360 move forward. The Cone of Power. M hmm. Yeah, the 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:49.640 Cone of Power is incredible after raising, and it is phallic, 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:52.480 so it must be for fucking after the raising and 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:55.360 release of the Code of Power, a ritual COVID communication 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:57.799 with cakes and wine which the priestess or priest has 0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:00.920 consecrated by dipping into the childe touching the cakes with 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:04.440 other unholy tools are passed on from a kiss from 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.880 the priestess to the priest. Um. Basically, this just sounds 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:11.080 like a fun time. Um. Yeah, but I do love 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.080 the Cone of Power, which I have not read in 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.400 any other magic book. No, I have not ever heard of. 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:19.200 I've read a decent amount and I've never heard of 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:22.600 the Cone of Power. Yeah, that feels like pure her. 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:27.600 That feels like somebody who's deeply sexually frustrated. It's kind 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:29.719 of shape like a dick and being like, that's got 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:35.360 to be push poor lady for her. Then she she 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.239 has a small section on Satanism, particularly like the iron 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.839 Ran the version of Satanism. So I'm not even gonna 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.360 get into that. I find that boring and it doesn't matter, 0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:45.320 and and and and she even says that these Satanists 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:51.760 don't believe in an actual devil a little. They just evil. 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.240 So I'm not even gonna bother with this section because 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.400 it's just talking about the dumb iron Rand version of Satanism. 0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.680 And I don't care about that. Um, if you like it, 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.560 I mean whatever. It has anarchistic stuff kind of, but 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.799 it's also very randy and and it has it has 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:06.799 a lot of like, not great stuff either. I don't 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.680 I it's fine and all it all is more effort 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.320 than I want to put into thinking about the universe. 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.200 And then I think, I think this this could be. 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.040 I think this is our last, our last paragraph favorite. 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:22.080 This section is called titled the End of the Witches, Witches, 0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:28.760 our children of the Devil, the end of the Witches. Sorry, 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:33.440 there's the witches, definitely before their adulterous altars, at their 0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:36.719 depraved spots where they eat and drink and play their 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:42.280 gross music and sing and dance, naked and shameless and corrupt, 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.760 and defile themselves and desecrate God's holy Sabbath, shall surely 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:49.520 be accomplished by God, who will put them, who'll put 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.840 them to death and cut off their souls forever among 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:58.800 his children. So that's that's the end of the Witches. Everybody, 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.759 we're gonna be dancing naked shamelessly, like having like an 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:06.880 undeniably good time being able to dance naked and listening 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.040 to gross music and singing, what a time. Sounds like 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:12.120 the ideal weekend and then and then God will put 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.080 us to death and then does sound a little bit 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.279 like our last weekend. But it was very cold, so 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:19.759 people were wearing Yeah, so very happy with the weather. 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.480 That is that is that is most of that is 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:24.319 most of the good parts of the book. Again, it 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.240 gets two hundred pages. Yeah, it's a nice breezy read. 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.120 Grab it you know this weekend. It's only ten bucks 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:33.400 on Amazon. What a deal? What a steal? Yeah, And 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.640 it is fun that she she does, Um, there is 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:39.200 one there is one section where she like outlines what 0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:42.160 all she thinks like magic is like all like all 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:44.880 of like the different groups. She puts them into a 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:46.920 really nice little package. But I don't think I can 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:48.480 find that because again there's two hundred pages and I 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:50.719 did not mark off that section. But I think I 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.879 think we decently got the gist of the main main 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:58.360 parts of this book. Um. Again, most of it is 0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:00.960 just her talking about Jesus. Yeah, that sounds right, and 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.319 and and the Christian soul. Um. But the one which 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:06.520 which is of indoor section is pretty good and honestly 0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:09.600 worth the read. So that is my first book report 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.920 for it could happen here. All of you Satan's New 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:16.640 Year beloved children, enjoyed this this this book and are 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.920 are properly warned about the dangers of witchcraft which is 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:23.120 coming to make your children have a pretty red time. 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.720 You're gonna dance in the woods listening to gross music. 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.600 So I hope everyone on this Halloween danced in the 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.040 woods listening to gross music. I hope those of you 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:35.120 who climactically could did so naked. Um. I hope none 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.440 of you got hit by cars while dressed as Ninja's 0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.839 and I I also hope that most of you weren't 0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.080 out trick or treating, because I think the average age 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:44.239 of our listeners is sometime in the mid twenties. That 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:45.880 would be a little bit of a little awkward, a 0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:48.719 little bit weird, but hey whatever, it's your life, your thing, 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:52.719 do you think. Hello everyone, Garrison here just going to 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:56.400 be adding in one quick correction for our Halloween Satan's 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.799 New Year episode. So towards the end we made some 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:05.000 assumptions about the the Code of Power which were apparently incorrect. 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.560 So the Code of Power does actually seem to be 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:11.799 a thing inside ritual magic Um, but particularly Wicka. So 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:14.560 I'm not super familiar with Wicka. This is not this 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:16.880 is not my system of choice, so I was unaware 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.440 that this is actually a thing. But apparently apparently it is. 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:21.480 It is. It is a method for centering or directing 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.640 or like raising energy. Um, well it is. It is 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:28.239 less tied to the witches had though, so that part 0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:32.000 is is more um made up. I cannot find much 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.760 tying the Cone of Power directly to like the cone shape, 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.600 which is hats. This is mainly an invention of of 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.200 of Doctor Billy from at least from from what I 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:45.200 can tell. But apologies for assuming that the Cone of 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.600 Power was completely made up and when in fact it 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.080 is a part of Wicka. So so sorry, sorry to 0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:54.040 the Wickans and the more proper witches. For that, for that, 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:59.000 for that gross assumption on mine and Robert's part. Anyway, 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:03.839 this wraps up our Spooky week of content. I hope 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.160 you had a good Halloween. This episode should be releasing 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:09.880 on Halloween itself, so I hope you are having or 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:12.880 had a good time, and hopefully you were able to 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:16.680 celebrate Halloween Satan style just like it was designed to. 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:20.719 So goodbye everybody, see you on the other side, and 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:25.760 hopefully we can do Spooky Week again next year. Good Bye. 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:38.800 After thirty years, it's time to return to the halls 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.239 of West Beverly High and hang out at the peach pit. 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.640 On the podcast nine O two one, OMG joined Jenny 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:47.200 Garth and Tori Spelling for a rewatch of the hit 0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:49.759 series Beverly Hills nine O two one oh. 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Welcome to it could happen here 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:17.480 a podcast about well, mostly it's about how things are bad, 0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:19.480 but it is also sometimes about what you can do 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.920 about it. And today we have two people who are 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:26.279 in fact doing things about it. So with me, we 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.120 have a Bro and Janine who are part of the 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:32.279 Common Humanity Collective, which is a mutual a group out 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:36.000 of California um clogen Club. Bro how how are how 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:40.200 are you t doing today? Doing well? Thank you? Doing 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:44.200 pretty good? Thank you. So yeah, we wanted to have 0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:48.279 you too on to talk about basically your mutual aid 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:50.520 work and then also the sort of political aspect of 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:52.120 that because I know about something YouTube and wanting to 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:55.440 talk about that. I've ever read the media coverage of it, 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:58.520 in it does not ever make it into the interviews. 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:03.600 So yeah, I guess, I guess to start. So you 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:07.000 two started doing mutual aid stuff with with this group, 0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:09.720 specifically around the beginning of the pandemic, as I understand, 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:11.640 you know what, can you walk us through how it 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:15.799 started and what you guys are up to? Absolutely, and 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.080 I think it's interesting to trace out the different stages 0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.160 of this work because it's very much bean a kind 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:23.040 of evolution. So let me go back to the very 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:25.359 very early days, and this is really the first day 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:29.040 of lockdown UM in the Bay area where we live. 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:33.239 I'm a PhD student at UC Berkeley and UM. As 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:36.080 COVID was spreading from the east coast to the west, 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:39.640 we knew that things would quickly get shut down in California, 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:43.319 UM and there was someone in my lab, a good 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:48.480 friend named h Yvonne and she and I just quickly 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:53.800 realized that this pandemic was going to hit UM. Given 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:58.279 the sort of crumbling public health infrastructure, the poorest among us, 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:03.120 the elderly, this possessed UM, these people would be vulnerable. 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:08.040 And as PPE just completely disappeared from store shelves, these 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:13.040 people UM, especially those living in cramped housing conditions, those 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:17.080 with essential work, UH, those in nursing homes just would 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.600 not have access to UM the tools they needed to 0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:24.680 protect themselves from this disease. UM. And in the very 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.360 early days, when we thought that the stuff was transmitted 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:31.080 via surfaces, UM, all of the attention was focused on 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:34.399 handwashing hand sanitizer. The problem was you couldn't even find 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.920 hand sanitizer anywhere. So here we were in our labs 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:41.799 and UM, you know, our few moths weren't being used 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:46.920 and everyone was getting sent home. UM and UH we 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:52.120 realized that we could pull ethanol from the scientific re 0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:56.839 agent supply chains and stir up some hand sanitizer ourselves 0:53:56.880 --> 0:54:01.960 in lab and distribute it UM just two homeless shelters 0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:04.759 to people who needed it in the city, etcetera. UM. 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:06.719 So this began as a very sort of low key 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:11.920 quiet under the cover UM effort and UM. You know, 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:14.040 we didn't have a name. We didn't even know what 0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:16.520 mutual aid was. I think we were just following our 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:20.640 basic instincts UM. And fast forward a week or two 0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:25.840 and suddenly a whole lot of people got involved. UM. 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:30.799 We had this elaborate distribution infrastructure which started sort of 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:34.640 self assembling. UM. Lots of people came to find ways 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:38.120 of getting the sanitizer to everyone who needed it. In 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:42.200 the meantime, we realized that as the demand was enormous, 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.200 we need to come up with ways of procuring the 0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:47.640 supplies UM and mixing it at scales that we didn't 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:51.120 have to turn anyone down. So we called upon lots 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:53.120 of different labs on campus and asked him if they 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.239 could do this, if they could shift some of their 0:54:55.280 --> 0:55:01.920 discretionary funds towards getting these chemicals. UM. And you know again, 0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:05.840 within a few weeks after that, we were mixing hundreds 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:09.120 of gallons of hand sanitizer and delivering it to absolutely 0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:12.800 everyone who needed it. My phone was just getting UH 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:16.480 called NonStop from the moment I woke up to when 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:19.000 I went to sleep, But I was forgetting to eat. 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:22.840 I was barely sleeping. UM, just responding to these cries 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:26.440 for help from all over the Bay area UM, and 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:30.640 in that time we met so many people UM and 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:33.839 we figured out how to do this work efficiently and effectively. 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:38.640 But also UM as the attention shifted from surface transmission 0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:43.319 to aerosol transmission UM, everyone started realizing that, in fact, 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:45.680 masks were probably the primary way in which we protect 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:49.600 ourselves from the coronavirus UM. And that's when a good 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:52.360 friend of ours, Chris, who was a PhD student and 0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:56.959 he's now a post a brilliant, brilliant creative guy, came 0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:01.440 up with ways of actually making sub mic on masks 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:06.120 out of just UH supply chains that weren't getting tapped UM. 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.840 So initially these were shop towels, and then he started 0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:12.560 looking at NANI fiber material UM and he found ways 0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:15.640 of for around sixty cents making a mass that was 0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:18.200 basically the quality of an N ninety five mass that 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:21.040 could be made in just a few minutes at home. UM. 0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:25.440 And so we suddenly just integrated that whole effort into 0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:28.759 our own and started just recruiting volunteers, sharing all of 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:35.600 our resources and UM this large assembly network of these 0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:39.360 little pods situated all across the Bay Area, each of 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:42.000 them with the team lead, with a little army, a 0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:46.560 battalion of assembly volunteers and dedicated drivers were just making 0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:49.759 thousands of these mass every week, which we were then 0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:54.279 distributing through the the distribution infrastructure that we had uh, 0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:58.440 sort of put together earlier on in the pandemic. And 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:00.680 so we found ourselves and this was still very much 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:03.200 at a time when you couldn't even find cloth masks 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:07.520 or surgical masks and shops, we found ourselves astonishingly being 0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:12.719 the primary source of this essential ppe for tens and 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.880 tens of thousands of people in the Bay Area. And 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:18.600 as we werecovered in the early days by the Chronicle 0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:22.200 in the l A Times, loads of people started joining 0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:26.000 the volunteer network, we started getting donations, and uh, that 0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:29.400 was the earlier stage of what we did, and I'll 0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:31.760 pass it on to Jinine to talk about what we 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:36.160 did next. Yeah, So, kind of, as UM Common Humanity 0:57:36.200 --> 0:57:39.920 Collective was working on this project, m up Bar, myself 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:43.160 and a couple other folks started adopting kind of a 0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:45.720 Democratic Socialists of America or East by d S a 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:48.840 side of what was happening UM. And through this project, 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:52.360 our intent was to UM, have a little bit more 0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:55.959 political education and think really critically about how we could 0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:59.160 make this true mutual aid, whichever and I have learned 0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:03.360 is really really difficult to do offecially under capitalism. UM. 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:07.560 And so, because we started this project around December, so 0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:09.840 kind of the height of the pandemic, we wanted to 0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:13.480 make it accessible for people who were really COVID cautious UM. 0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:16.000 And so we would assemble kits of masks in a 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:19.040 park with a couple of folks outside, and then we 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:22.160 would drive these kits to people's homes and get on 0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:25.040 zoom UM. And we would have a breakout room for 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:28.600 people to learn how to make masks. UM. People oftentimes 0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:30.600 people who had only come to the build a couple 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:33.800 of times started teaching new folks how to build these masks. 0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:36.440 And in the other room, we were doing readings. UM. 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:39.400 We were reading you know, Pannic Cook and Jane macklew 0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:42.280 e side by side talking about you know, trade unions 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:46.880 and solidarity unionism. We were reading about tenant organizing. UM 0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:48.800 A bar do you want to talk about Rosa Luxemburg 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:51.320 a little bit? Yeah, I mean it was an amazing thing. 0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:58.440 We were trying to sort of expand our own political consciousness, 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:02.560 and we did things like host a three part series 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:09.840 just discussing, examining, analyzing the political theory of Rosa Luxembourg UM. 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.360 And we had huge participation. And this was at a 0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:15.480 time where in our d SA chapter UM and many 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.000 of the different committees, people were panicking because no one 0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:22.320 was showing up UM. And yet we found an enormous 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:26.160 number of people joining our effort in these discussions were 0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:31.280 so energetic and so enthusiastic UM. And you know, this 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:33.320 was a lonely time. It was a difficult time, and 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:35.760 people seemed to find something and what we were doing. 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.520 What do you think about that, Jim? Yeah, and I 0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:41.320 think you know, not only were people coming and participating, right, 0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:43.720 we had high school students, We had people who had 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:47.040 dedicated the pandemic to reading political theory, right, and so 0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:49.439 you have this huge breath of knowledge. We have more 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:53.680 liberal people joining. We have like anarchists and communists right, 0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:56.200 like all in this space that are actually talking together. 0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:59.280 And what was so empowering to me was everyone felt 0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:02.080 like they could speak. We had people that were really 1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:04.560 introverted UM then in the beginning didn't talk at all, 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:06.920 slowly start to open up. We had high schoolers asking 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:12.240 really incredible questions, right, like is revolution even possible right now? Um? 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:14.040 And kind of getting into some of this. And I 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:16.880 think one of the most impactful things was that we 1:00:16.920 --> 1:00:19.400 had these calls from seven to nine at night, and 1:00:19.480 --> 1:00:21.560 after that we had what we called late night, where 1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:24.760 folks would stay on till like twelve at night and 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:27.280 talk to each other. And in this time of like 1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:30.880 isolation and depression, I don't think anyone that I know 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:34.600 at least was having a good time in December, January, February, right, 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.560 people were coming together on Zoom and actually staying on 1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:40.919 Zoom after what we were doing to feel some type 1:00:40.920 --> 1:00:44.160 of camaraderie, to feel like they were part of a community, um. 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:46.440 And we were able to actually create that space. And 1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:48.120 I think that that was something that to me was 1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:51.760 really incredible. UM. And I think, you know, framing this 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:54.760 also from the George Floyd protests that happened over the 1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:57.640 summer and thinking you know, more about abolition, right, thinking 1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:00.440 more about community building. I don't think you can truly 1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:04.840 or I can't imagine the future without the prison industrial 1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:08.160 complex that doesn't involve communities of care, that doesn't involve 1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:11.760 giving people both the resources and the like love that 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:13.800 they need to be able to not be pushed into 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:16.320 situations where they have to commit crimes, and also having 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:20.000 accountability amongst each other. Um. Not to mention, right, this 1:01:20.040 --> 1:01:22.960 work is really really hard. People burn out. Like we 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:25.520 are exhausted to be able to create a space where 1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:27.880 everyone cares for each other. We're checking in with each 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:30.880 other where you know, in the beginning of this virtual 1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:34.240 Mask Builds, I think, you know, a bar, myself and 1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:36.320 a couple other folks were doing the majority of the 1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:38.840 work and by the end we were doing none of it. 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:41.840 We had like been able to reallocate those tasks, we 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:43.840 had been able to develop leaders, and we had essentially 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:46.240 organized ourselves out of a job, which to me is 1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:48.720 like the organizer's dream, right, Like that's what you really 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:52.360 want to see happen um. And so that's kind of 1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:55.360 what was happening on the production side of the Mask Builds. 1:01:55.400 --> 1:01:58.200 On the distribution side, again, we're thinking, how can we 1:01:58.240 --> 1:02:00.680 actually make this true mutual aid um And so we 1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:03.840 started to partner with Tank Tenant and Neighborhood Councils, which 1:02:03.880 --> 1:02:05.919 is one of the main tenant groups in the Bay 1:02:05.960 --> 1:02:08.960 Area UM and working with them to go to food 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:12.240 banks right, places where people are generally low income, where 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:14.720 they might not be able to have the resources to 1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:18.360 get masks, and we're distributing masks asking them, are you 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:20.440 having trouble with your rent or your landlord? Right? The 1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:22.680 goal in this is to give people the tools to 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:26.560 organize around issues that are deeply pertinent and urgent to them, 1:02:26.680 --> 1:02:31.880 especially with an impending fiction moratorium right. And so UM 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:34.160 we learned a lot through this. We went to a 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:37.280 lot of different food banks we found um you know, 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:40.520 some of them were places where people primarily spoke Cantonese 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:43.040 and Mandarin, and so we you know, used our networks 1:02:43.040 --> 1:02:45.800 again that we had created through this project, these relationships 1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:48.880 of trust to find people that spoke Mandarin and we're 1:02:48.880 --> 1:02:51.600 willing to come out um and talk with folks. UM. 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:54.000 We found people that spoke Spanish that we're willing to 1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:56.000 come out and talk with folks. And we started to 1:02:56.040 --> 1:02:58.760 develop relationships at these food banks where we were able 1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:02.080 to distribute masks to people, talk to them, understand what 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:04.680 issues they were having, UM, and invite them to come 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:07.360 to meetings where they could actually get their resources to 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:11.200 try and tackle some of these issues that they're facing abroad. 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:13.760 You have more to add on the mass project. Yeah, 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:18.160 I think it's worth saying that. Um, we're all very busy. 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:22.120 I'm a PhD student. While we were doing this work, Um, 1:03:22.160 --> 1:03:25.880 you know, in d s A, I was teaching a 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:28.680 class and I was doing research, and Janine is a 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:34.000 extremely busy union organizer. Um. And normally, you know, we'd 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:37.000 come home after work and be absolutely exhausted. Um. And 1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:40.600 this was very tiring, but we felt somehow energized, We 1:03:40.640 --> 1:03:43.080 felt driven to do this, and we found that lots 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:46.280 of the other people who participated were also busy with 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:48.600 their jobs and yet would make time to do this. 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:52.640 And Um, in terms of our actual practice, in terms 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:57.040 of trying to develop the political dimension of the distribution 1:03:57.240 --> 1:04:00.240 aspect of our mutual aid, there was a con an 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:03.919 interplay between what we were reading and what we were practicing. 1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:07.080 So as we began working with this Radical Tenant Organizing 1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:10.960 Group tank that Jinin mentioned, whose aim is to give 1:04:11.480 --> 1:04:15.320 tenants the tools to form tenant councils and tenant unions 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:18.520 in order to use tools such as rent strikes to 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:24.880 rebalance power between themselves and their landlords and real estate companies, etcetera. UM. 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.919 During that time, during our mask builds, we would then 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:31.560 go and read articles in newspaper clippings from you know, 1:04:31.600 --> 1:04:35.000 early twentieth century, when there were examples of you know, 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:40.280 twenty year old factory girls in Lower Manhattan organizing groups 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:42.800 of apartment buildings to go on rent strike, you know, 1:04:42.880 --> 1:04:45.880 ten thousand families in one case, to go on rent strike. 1:04:46.280 --> 1:04:53.040 These incredible, deeply inspiring stories UM where people uh suddenly 1:04:53.080 --> 1:04:57.240 became uh subjects of history and not merely objects. And 1:04:57.280 --> 1:05:00.280 I think part of what sustained our own work in 1:05:00.320 --> 1:05:05.360 this group was some uh similar feeling and UM at 1:05:05.360 --> 1:05:09.600 the same time when we were trying to imagine future 1:05:09.720 --> 1:05:14.960 beyond capitalism, we were looking at moments when that future 1:05:15.200 --> 1:05:18.680 seemed within reach, and so we were studying, for example, 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:23.160 Paris in ninety, which is a moment within many people's 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:26.640 living memory, all although not our own, UM, and studying 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:29.240 how it was that these protests began with the student 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:32.880 movement and then spilled out into these massive strikes and 1:05:33.080 --> 1:05:35.880 all the sort of self activity that emerged from that, 1:05:36.040 --> 1:05:39.880 and there was such a wide, wide breath of people 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:42.240 who came to these builds. There were people as young 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:44.720 as high schoolers, were also much older people in their 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:47.920 seventies and eighties. And when we were having this discussion, 1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:52.080 someone who lived through the sixties and witnessed these things 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:54.840 very up close came to talk about Paris in nineteen 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:58.320 sixty eight and shared the wealth of his own experience. 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:01.040 And again, all of this was driving what we were 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:04.360 actually doing with our hands, what we were doing on 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:08.480 the streets, what we were doing at these food bank lines, UM. 1:06:08.560 --> 1:06:11.200 And so it was very critical that everything we were 1:06:11.240 --> 1:06:16.120 reading was somehow feeding into our practice. Yeah, and I think, 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:18.800 you know, we had over a hundred people participate in 1:06:18.840 --> 1:06:21.920 these masks builds, and I think one of the things 1:06:21.960 --> 1:06:24.640 that I really took away from this is again, people 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:28.400 were craving that community, They were craving relationships, and people 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:31.920 came back because they felt that in this group UM. 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:34.800 And that translated also as we transitioned, right, we had 1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:38.040 built a culture of friendship and of caring for each 1:06:38.080 --> 1:06:40.800 other that people wanted to continue working on this, They 1:06:40.840 --> 1:06:43.400 wanted to continue to be a part of this project. 1:06:43.520 --> 1:06:47.320 As we transitioned UM to building air purifiers, right as 1:06:47.400 --> 1:06:51.360 the UM you know, vaccines became more prevalent masks were 1:06:51.400 --> 1:06:54.160 still being worn, but to a lesser degree UM and 1:06:54.200 --> 1:06:58.080 we started turning to fire season UM as these disasters 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:01.400 right continued to strike with actually with climate change only 1:07:01.440 --> 1:07:03.680 getting worse and worse. One of the things that I 1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:06.480 think is really powerful about mutual aid and is really 1:07:06.520 --> 1:07:10.440 powerful about communities is that these disasters have been happening 1:07:10.480 --> 1:07:13.400 and continue to happen at a greater and greater frequency. 1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:15.120 And I think what I've learned from looking at you know, 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:18.400 the heat waves that recently took many lives across the 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:23.280 Pacific Northwest, the um really really freezing temperatures that happened 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:26.000 in Texas about a year ago, and especially COVID, is 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:29.480 that you know, the government, local or federal is not 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:32.800 stepping in to help people. Billionaires are not really stepping 1:07:32.840 --> 1:07:36.280 in to help people. It's really only communities and networks 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:40.200 of relationships that are keeping people alive. And the only 1:07:40.240 --> 1:07:42.280 way you know, that we're going to get through this 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:47.640 is through having those relationships, through understanding where people need support. 1:07:47.800 --> 1:07:50.560 And we started to do this with the distribution of masks, 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:54.160 right is build relationships with community members in you know, 1:07:54.200 --> 1:07:57.200 fruit Vale and Oakland, which is not a large not 1:07:57.280 --> 1:07:59.720 a place that many people from d s A or 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:03.040 from TANK are living currently, right and starting to build 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:07.320 relationships with people that do need these resources in times 1:08:07.360 --> 1:08:09.680 of crisis, UM, so that we know where we can 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:13.120 plug in and also build relationships amongst our fellow organizers 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:17.120 so that we can support each other through these disasters. UM. 1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:21.160 And so as we transitioned to the air purifiers, we started, 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:23.559 you know, thinking about everything we have learned from the 1:08:23.600 --> 1:08:27.280 Mass project and kind of making that even bigger and better. 1:08:27.360 --> 1:08:29.760 And how can we you know, continue to take what 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:33.000 we've learned and change it and turn it into something 1:08:33.360 --> 1:08:38.320 really really incredible. And UM, we you know Chris who 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:41.040 Abar mentioned before, who came up with the masks, came 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:44.080 up with a really incredible way to make air purifiers 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:51.160 that like ridiculously efficient. UM. Is really really useful, especially 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:54.360 for wildfire smoke, but also for just people with asthma. 1:08:54.560 --> 1:08:57.080 There's a lot of environmental pollution in the Bay area, right. 1:08:57.120 --> 1:09:01.040 These things can be used UM year round. And we 1:09:01.120 --> 1:09:04.160 began to build these air purifiers out of you know, 1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:07.160 box fans and he a filters UM with a shroud 1:09:07.320 --> 1:09:10.360 with weather stripping right to make the air like only 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:13.839 go through the fan to make it extremely efficient, and 1:09:14.080 --> 1:09:17.000 UM started to think about how can we make this 1:09:17.800 --> 1:09:20.600 like community aspect even bigger at least this is what 1:09:20.640 --> 1:09:22.519 I was thinking of because I had started to realize, 1:09:22.600 --> 1:09:24.080 right I think the only thing that we can rely 1:09:24.120 --> 1:09:27.040 on is each other right now, especially UM. And so 1:09:27.080 --> 1:09:29.760 we started bringing in a bunch of different groups to 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:31.960 come to these builds. So we have you know, east 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:34.080 By d s A. We started working really closely with 1:09:34.160 --> 1:09:37.240 Sunrise and developed a level of trust and reciprocity in 1:09:37.280 --> 1:09:41.200 that relationship that has you know, continued to be really 1:09:41.280 --> 1:09:44.240 beneficial to us UM and really helpful. We met amazing 1:09:44.280 --> 1:09:46.800 people that came out. You know, they've helped fundraise for 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:50.040 US as our funding has gotten really really low because 1:09:50.080 --> 1:09:52.800 these air purifiers are not cheap those they are much 1:09:52.840 --> 1:09:55.800 cheaper than commercially available, but we're you know, giving them 1:09:55.840 --> 1:09:58.240 to folks for free because we want this to be 1:09:58.520 --> 1:10:04.160 mutual aid UM and so working with Sunrise, we're working 1:10:04.200 --> 1:10:08.679 with Asians for Black Lives UM, Berkeley, Mutual Aid MASK 1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:12.400 Oakland UM who both came out to our builds but 1:10:12.479 --> 1:10:15.519 also helped us distribute air purifiers to Reno and to 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:17.360 places that had you know, a qu I s of 1:10:17.439 --> 1:10:20.720 five hundred right when fire season was so bad, when 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:24.240 the smoke there was just like unlivable. UM. We were 1:10:24.280 --> 1:10:27.160 able to work with them to distribute these air purifiers 1:10:27.160 --> 1:10:30.679 where people really needed them most. UM. We were able 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:33.479 to you know, continue to work with tank UM. Some 1:10:33.520 --> 1:10:36.800 folks from the i w W came out. We were 1:10:36.840 --> 1:10:41.040 able to distribute these air purifiers to the Sagorata Land Trust, 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:44.200 which is UM a land trust that is run by 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:49.080 Indigenous women UM and is working on essentially giving indigenous 1:10:49.160 --> 1:10:52.520 land back to Indigenous people. We were able to distribute 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:56.840 with critical resistance and amazing abolitionist groups started by Ruth 1:10:56.880 --> 1:11:00.800 Wilson Gilmore and Angela Davis in Oakland were to distribute 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:03.559 UM to s r oh UM, a group that is 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:07.679 working with UM low income Chinese immigrants in San Francisco 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:10.599 who are generally living in single family homes right with 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:15.559 really bad air quality. UM and work with like all 1:11:15.600 --> 1:11:18.640 of these different groups, you know, Berkeley Mutual Aid. We're 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:22.599 pulling in people from just countless networks to come and 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:26.040 build air purifiers together. UM. And we had you know, 1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:29.760 an ex black panther talking to someone from Sunrise from 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:34.559 San Francisco, right, Like these just wild connections, um that 1:11:34.600 --> 1:11:37.280 are happening at these builds of people who are deeply 1:11:37.320 --> 1:11:41.720 political and people who are barely understanding, um, you know, 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:44.920 what socialism means, but are wanting to come out and 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:48.600 do something for their community. Um. And through these relationships 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:51.360 and networks again, like we're able to hang out after 1:11:51.400 --> 1:11:54.200 the builds, people are able to enjoy themselves. Everyone said 1:11:54.200 --> 1:11:56.920 they were having a really fun time. Even though we 1:11:56.920 --> 1:12:00.519 were like literally doing work on a Saturday, people were 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:02.880 still like, this is so fun. We had you know, 1:12:03.520 --> 1:12:06.880 people baking bread and like fruit tarts and cheesecakes and 1:12:06.920 --> 1:12:10.200 bringing it. We had so we had music. It was 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:13.080 like a very fun atmosphere and environment. And despite the 1:12:13.120 --> 1:12:15.519 fact that you know, it was physical labor and it 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:17.280 was taxing and a lot of times it was on 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:20.839 hot days. Um, people stayed for you know, four hours 1:12:20.920 --> 1:12:24.320 to help do this and to do this work because 1:12:24.360 --> 1:12:27.400 they cared, because they wanted to see, um, you know, 1:12:27.479 --> 1:12:30.240 what they could be able to do. And they also 1:12:30.280 --> 1:12:32.920 I think started to build relationships. UM. I know, you know, 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:35.400 countless people talked to a bra and I and had 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:37.360 no idea you know, we've known each other for less 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:39.360 than a year now, UM, and they thought we'd known 1:12:39.400 --> 1:12:41.080 each other our whole lives. And I think that that 1:12:41.160 --> 1:12:44.400 really speaks, right. I think that speaks so much to 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:47.439 the relationships that we've been able to build through this. 1:12:47.560 --> 1:12:49.479 And you know, I think a Bra and I have 1:12:49.520 --> 1:12:52.720 met countless people and have developed like an incredible community 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:56.920 through this work. UM. That definitely helps me keep going. 1:12:57.040 --> 1:12:59.720 I would definitely not be able to continue to do 1:12:59.760 --> 1:13:02.360 this work if I couldn't, you know, call Librara. But 1:13:02.479 --> 1:13:05.160 nine PM and we talked for three hours and we complain, 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:07.240 but we also talked through like what are we doing 1:13:07.280 --> 1:13:09.240 and how can it be better? And how can we, 1:13:09.280 --> 1:13:12.160 you know, get through this roadblock UM. And I saw 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:16.000 that in countless places UM. As we moved to our 1:13:16.040 --> 1:13:19.120 own distribution, so we're partnering with these organizations, but we're 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:22.040 also doing our own distribution UM, which I think is 1:13:22.080 --> 1:13:25.080 like a huge experiment and how to actually do mutual aid, 1:13:25.160 --> 1:13:27.960 which UM is something that you know, when we talked 1:13:28.000 --> 1:13:30.920 to the organizers in our circles, we weren't finding answers too, 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:32.479 and so we kind of realized like we just have 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:34.640 to kind of try and figure this out. But we 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:37.160 would go out and do these distributions and afterwards, you know, 1:13:37.320 --> 1:13:39.400 have lunch with people and talk to each other, like 1:13:39.439 --> 1:13:41.759 what could we do better? What are we doing wrong? 1:13:41.880 --> 1:13:44.320 Is this mutual aid? Like these are questions we're having 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:46.280 right after we've been standing in the sun talking to 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:49.400 people for three hours. Like the dedication of the people 1:13:49.439 --> 1:13:51.720 involved in this like of our said, most of us 1:13:51.760 --> 1:13:54.920 are working forty fifty sixty hour weeks and yet we're 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:58.120 dedicating constant time during the week and at least one 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:00.640 day every weekend to either distribut U Shoan or a 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:04.479 build UM is incredible. I feel like incredibly honored to 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:06.240 be able to work with the people that we've been 1:14:06.240 --> 1:14:11.240 working with UM. But in our distribution, we started thinking about, 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:14.679 you know, how can we invite some of these people 1:14:14.720 --> 1:14:17.240 to come to our builds. Maybe that's the reciprocity. I 1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:20.240 think true mutual aid is really about believing that the 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:24.120 people that were distributing to can also give back to us, 1:14:24.200 --> 1:14:27.840 rather than seeing them as like helpless UM. And so 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:30.639 we continue to do some of our distributions with tank 1:14:30.880 --> 1:14:33.160 Um and actually we were able to do some of 1:14:33.200 --> 1:14:36.479 these distributions in a way that helped new buildings who 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.960 are just starting to form tenant councils UM, you know, 1:14:40.080 --> 1:14:41.960 use the air purifiers as a way to open up 1:14:42.000 --> 1:14:44.120 conversation with some of these people and say, hey, you're 1:14:44.160 --> 1:14:47.439 building is being organized. Remember how the fire season was 1:14:47.560 --> 1:14:49.760 last year, right, Like, this is something that you can use, 1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:52.200 and let's talk more about other tools that we can 1:14:52.280 --> 1:14:54.800 use coming together to really fight for changes that we 1:14:54.840 --> 1:14:58.839 can't necessarily make on our own. UM. So that was happening, 1:14:58.880 --> 1:15:03.000 and then we also decide to look at data around 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:05.720 where in Oakland or asthma rates really high, where in 1:15:05.760 --> 1:15:08.439 Oakland is air pollution really bad? And where in Oakland 1:15:08.640 --> 1:15:11.080 is it primarily lower income folks? Right? We want to 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:13.879 be giving these air purifiers to people who can't generally 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:17.479 afford a hundred to two hundred dollar air purifier. UM. 1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:20.160 And so East Oakland was one of those places. And 1:15:20.439 --> 1:15:22.840 again through this network that we had built through the 1:15:22.880 --> 1:15:26.000 Mask build, we had a connection in East Oakland someone 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:28.599 that had UM that is part of East Bay ds A, right, 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:31.479 that had done a lot of community organizing, and someone 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:33.680 that was actually able to, you know, send out an 1:15:33.720 --> 1:15:36.800 email to her neighborhood and say, hey, we have air 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:41.120 purifiers and so we had people posting up at her house. UM. 1:15:41.200 --> 1:15:43.640 So you know, we were coming into a neighborhood that 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:45.840 was not our own, which in some ways, UM, you know, 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:48.200 there's a lot of complications to that. UM. But we 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:50.000 were also able to do it at someone's house that 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:52.600 we knew. UM. And our goal in this was to 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:55.360 get people to come to our builds to make air 1:15:55.400 --> 1:15:59.559 purifiers for themselves and for their family, their community, their friends, 1:16:00.000 --> 1:16:02.320 so that we then don't have to go into those neighborhoods, right, 1:16:02.360 --> 1:16:04.680 so that they can then start to own that distribution 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:08.960 and own this project and like feel an autonomy over it. Um. 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:11.559 And so we also kind of door knocked around the 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:17.160 neighborhood talking to people about the air purifiers, about wildfire smoke, 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:20.000 about coming out to a build, you know, about why 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:22.800 this is really important, um, why we need people to 1:16:23.240 --> 1:16:28.400 engage in this project. UM. And we distributed almost a 1:16:28.439 --> 1:16:31.720 hundred air purifiers that day, I think folks in that 1:16:31.800 --> 1:16:35.960 community and after that that week UM, so we distributed 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:39.200 on Sunday and then um, a week later on Saturday, 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:41.200 we would have a build. So within that week, right, 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:44.160 we're calling everyone that we distributed to saying, hey, how 1:16:44.280 --> 1:16:46.760 is your air porifier working. Can you come out to 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:49.200 a build. It's really really valuable that you come out 1:16:49.200 --> 1:16:50.760 to a build so that you can make sure that 1:16:50.800 --> 1:16:55.200 your community has clean air to breathe, especially during fire season. Um. 1:16:55.280 --> 1:16:57.320 And through these calls, right, I talked to someone who 1:16:57.320 --> 1:16:59.840 lived in East Oakland for an hour, um in this 1:17:00.040 --> 1:17:02.599 person just started opening up and was so touched that 1:17:02.640 --> 1:17:04.840 we had done this and basically said, you know, no 1:17:04.880 --> 1:17:07.080 one has ever cared for my community like this, No 1:17:07.120 --> 1:17:09.719 one has ever even thought about us, right. And you see, 1:17:09.800 --> 1:17:13.840 like there are nonprofits right California was giving out air 1:17:13.920 --> 1:17:17.799 purifiers to certain people, like there's a semblance of the structure. 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:20.400 And yet we were actually interfacing with these people who 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:22.160 seemed to have no idea that any of this was 1:17:22.200 --> 1:17:24.080 happening right there, saying, you know, no one else has 1:17:24.080 --> 1:17:26.040 been able to do this, um. And we're starting to 1:17:26.080 --> 1:17:29.920 form relationships and develop connections in these neighborhoods and make 1:17:29.960 --> 1:17:33.879 people feel cared for and follow up. Um. And despite 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:35.840 all of this work, right, no one shows up to 1:17:35.920 --> 1:17:38.120 our bill that week. UM And I think Obar and 1:17:38.120 --> 1:17:41.760 I both felt pretty defeated, right, Like, is mutually possible? 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:45.040 What are we're doing wrong clearly, Like class and racial 1:17:45.040 --> 1:17:49.040 barriers are really hard to overcome in this UM. And 1:17:49.120 --> 1:17:52.200 you know, we're talking to our ex black panther friend 1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:55.240 that has continued to be a huge part of this project, 1:17:55.240 --> 1:17:56.960 and he was like, you're you know, you have to 1:17:57.040 --> 1:18:00.200 keep trying. You're doing the right things. And so we 1:18:00.280 --> 1:18:03.679 went to West Oakland again where we had a connection 1:18:03.760 --> 1:18:07.640 from our MASS project that helped us set up in 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:11.879 front of this corner next to UM, a vegan cafe 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:16.360 that serves trans poc for free UM and has really 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:18.760 wonderful food. We're able to talk with them give them 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:21.760 air purifier as they allowed us to UM kind of 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:24.719 set up shop in front of their store. And there's 1:18:24.720 --> 1:18:26.600 also like a liquor store on this corner. It's like 1:18:26.640 --> 1:18:30.120 a very busy corner in West Oakland. UM and kind 1:18:30.120 --> 1:18:32.880 of did the same thing. We're handing out air purifiers, 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:36.640 talking to people about the build, talking to people about UM, 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:38.720 you know why this is important. And we're also door 1:18:38.760 --> 1:18:41.719 knocking in the neighborhood, talking to folks UM at their homes, 1:18:42.240 --> 1:18:45.320 UM asking people, you know, who needs an air purifier? Right, 1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:47.880 Like these communities generally know each other really well, and 1:18:47.920 --> 1:18:49.360 we're able to talk to people who are like, oh 1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:51.040 my gosh, you know, like my aunt lives over there 1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:53.400 and her kid has asthma, and like you should go 1:18:53.439 --> 1:18:56.240 talk with her. UM. And so we start to develop 1:18:56.280 --> 1:18:59.599 these connections and kind of map out the neighborhood and 1:19:00.400 --> 1:19:02.720 you know, again we're following up. We're talking to these 1:19:02.720 --> 1:19:04.680 people on the phone, We're asking them to come out 1:19:04.720 --> 1:19:08.759 to the build. And we went out to this neighborhood again. 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:11.160 So the second time we went out, UM, I started 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:13.280 to recognize people right, and I started to be able 1:19:13.320 --> 1:19:15.840 to talk with people, and UM, through I was kind 1:19:15.880 --> 1:19:18.800 of like door knocking, UM. While people were posted up 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:22.160 by the liquor store and this Beacon cafe and uh, 1:19:22.280 --> 1:19:24.120 there was like a church service going on and I 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:26.800 recognized one of the people there, and he recognized me, 1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:28.360 and we were able to talk and he was really 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:30.280 grateful for the work that we were doing. And he 1:19:30.320 --> 1:19:33.160 started calling his friends over and be like, hey, you know, 1:19:33.280 --> 1:19:35.519 do you all need an air purifier? Remember how a 1:19:35.560 --> 1:19:38.439 bad fire season was last year, And also like we 1:19:38.439 --> 1:19:40.920 should all go to this build next time. UM, you know, 1:19:40.960 --> 1:19:43.720 we should actually be showing up and helping out. UM. 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:47.160 And words spread so quickly, like these communities are so 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:51.520 deeply connected. UM, at least from what I like witnessed 1:19:52.240 --> 1:19:55.439 and UM that week again, right, we called everyone. We said, like, 1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:57.599 you know, we really think it's valuable for you all 1:19:57.640 --> 1:19:58.960 to come out to a build. We want to give 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:01.599 you like ownership an autonomy over this in a world 1:20:01.600 --> 1:20:04.760 where I think so often you feel so little autonomy 1:20:04.920 --> 1:20:07.799 um and so little power when everything feels like it's crumbling. 1:20:07.880 --> 1:20:10.560 Right to have some semblance of ownership and autonomy, to 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:14.760 be able to um do something that is immediately like 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:18.639 visible and real UM feels really powerful. Right when sometimes 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:21.800 you know, uh, talking to elected officials is moving too 1:20:21.840 --> 1:20:26.439 slowly because disasters are happening so quickly. There is a 1:20:26.520 --> 1:20:29.360 need to balance immediate need and system change, right, and 1:20:29.360 --> 1:20:32.479 I think you have to constantly hold both. Um. But 1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:34.559 you know, we're talking to these folks, were asking them 1:20:34.560 --> 1:20:38.000 to come to the build and UM we actually had 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:40.639 a couple of people come out to our build from 1:20:40.640 --> 1:20:43.840 our distribution people that had a really amazing time. People 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:47.800 that you know said they enjoyed being there um and 1:20:47.840 --> 1:20:50.519 took air purifiers back and gave them out to their 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:53.120 friends and family. UM. And we're able to say, you know, 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:56.080 I made this right, Like this is something valuable, but 1:20:56.160 --> 1:20:58.920 also I understand how it works. And I talked to 1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:01.800 one of these people, are Xt build is actually on 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:04.640 his birthday, and he was like, I really want to 1:21:04.640 --> 1:21:06.439 come out on my birthday. I really want to come 1:21:06.439 --> 1:21:09.000 out and help people and do this thing that has 1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:12.160 been enjoyable. UM. And it is also like helping people, 1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:17.679 And that to me was right, Like that someone wants 1:21:17.720 --> 1:21:21.280 to come on their birthday to like build air purifiers 1:21:21.280 --> 1:21:23.880 on a Saturday, when most of these people are you know, 1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:27.760 working forty two however many hours a week, that they're 1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:30.160 willing to continue to even work on a Saturday, I 1:21:30.640 --> 1:21:33.040 think is a huge feat UM. And it is something 1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:37.240 that's definitely felt really really powerful in this Yeah. I 1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:40.240 think something that Janine brings out is really important, which 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:44.320 is that UM, at every stage, we've been sort of 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:49.160 interrogating and examining the work we're doing and asking whether 1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:53.000 we are truly drawing out the full political potential of 1:21:53.000 --> 1:21:55.880 our work. So in the earlier days when we were 1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:59.759 just stirring up that sanitizer and getting out these masks, 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:03.439 you know, we did a lot and you know, this 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:10.000 network of volunteers comprised well over two hundred people, and 1:22:10.080 --> 1:22:12.360 it was sort of consuming all of our time. But 1:22:12.400 --> 1:22:16.559 eventually we realized that to a large degree, we were 1:22:16.600 --> 1:22:20.320 basically just acting as a stop gap measure for government austerity, 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:25.800 for the big gaps left behind by this extremely problematic 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:30.360 nonprofit industrial complex. And the work we were doing then 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:34.719 we realized was sort of susceptible to co optation UM, 1:22:34.760 --> 1:22:38.120 and it didn't necessarily represent too much of a threat 1:22:38.479 --> 1:22:44.519 to capitalist hegemony and UM. At that point, you know, 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:47.559 we shifted into d s A and we started bringing 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:52.160 in a very sort of explicit political education component and 1:22:52.240 --> 1:22:56.719 started associating with an organization like Tank, which is already 1:22:56.720 --> 1:23:01.400 been doing um, really incredible radical organizing in the Bay Area. 1:23:01.920 --> 1:23:04.360 But eventually we ran up against the limits of that 1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:07.000 as well. And you know, d Essay is an organization 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:10.400 where a lot of us initially learned our politics, but 1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:14.120 you know, in its current sort of stage, it's characterized 1:23:14.120 --> 1:23:16.519 by a strong degree in our chapter of sort of 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:19.960 democratic centralism, and most of the effort is being put 1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:23.280 toward electoral work and reform work, and everything that we 1:23:23.280 --> 1:23:27.400 were reading about seemed to point towards the extreme limits 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:30.479 of that form of organizing, and how these forms of 1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:35.320 organizing in fact represented sometimes the more reactionary elements of 1:23:35.400 --> 1:23:38.080 the left in earlier moments in history, and we wanted 1:23:38.120 --> 1:23:40.479 to go beyond that. And so we realized that we 1:23:40.479 --> 1:23:42.280 were spending a lot of time having to just sort 1:23:42.280 --> 1:23:44.720 of defend the work that we were doing. So eventually 1:23:44.720 --> 1:23:48.320 we just decided to uh sort of reassert our autonomy. 1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:51.439 And as we shifted into the Air Purifier chapter of 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:55.599 our work, that's what we were doing, and UM our 1:23:55.920 --> 1:24:01.000 inspirations are manifold. And as we were reading about these 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:05.960 earlier moments in history, something which UM had an extraordinary 1:24:06.800 --> 1:24:10.240 effect on me was studying the example of the Spanish 1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:15.479 Revolution in six and suddenly I was reading about this 1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:18.599 moment in history that's been more or less erased from 1:24:18.640 --> 1:24:22.479 most of our textbooks are presented UM in a very 1:24:22.600 --> 1:24:26.800 kind of dishonest form. UM. And what these workers and 1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:31.200 peasants had done in the midst of fascist takeover was 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:37.280 create on an enormous scale, UM the perhaps the most 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:43.640 egalitarian society that I've ever read about, which truly represented 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:50.000 UM a sort of liberatory, radical, early form of anti 1:24:50.040 --> 1:24:54.760 authoritarian socialism that stands in tremendous contrast to the much 1:24:54.840 --> 1:25:00.240 uglier uh forms of so called socialism that we've seen 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:03.840 appear in the twentieth century. And what I noticed was 1:25:03.880 --> 1:25:09.320 that this society in Spain in six was absolutely replete 1:25:09.360 --> 1:25:14.200 with mutual aid, and these kind of anarchist tendencies had 1:25:14.800 --> 1:25:17.880 um sort of penetrated the consciousness of many of the 1:25:17.920 --> 1:25:22.280 workers and peasants in Spain, you know, sixty years before 1:25:22.360 --> 1:25:27.080 the revolution, after um Bakunin in the First International sent 1:25:27.160 --> 1:25:30.120 out an emissary to start spreading these ideas, and they 1:25:30.120 --> 1:25:34.360 took whole like wildfire and spread across the country. I think, 1:25:34.400 --> 1:25:35.880 I think one of one of the most incredible things 1:25:35.880 --> 1:25:38.880 about that story is the the guy they gets sent 1:25:38.920 --> 1:25:41.439 from Italy, like from as as the representative and now 1:25:41.600 --> 1:25:44.240 the cause. Yeah, he doesn't speak Spanish, right, he only 1:25:44.240 --> 1:25:46.840 speaks Italian, and he he he should just look at 1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:50.160 this place, right, and he's he's he's such a sort 1:25:50.160 --> 1:25:52.720 of brilliant order and and the sort of like the 1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:55.599 power of the ideas that he has is so strong 1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:58.639 that you know it it breaks through the language barrier, 1:25:58.720 --> 1:26:01.000 and it's it's this sort of I think it's just 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:03.439 this incredible moments that you know, I think, I think 1:26:03.439 --> 1:26:05.000 comes into a lot of a lot of what the 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:07.280 two were running into with, you know, I mean, we 1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:09.840 still live in a place that's you know, incredibly defined 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:12.200 by language bears, and just the ability to break through 1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:15.840 that becomes it gives you this just incredible potential of 1:26:16.920 --> 1:26:19.840 power and organization. Yeah, Chris, you don't know how much 1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:22.919 it means to me to hear someone who's as familiar 1:26:22.960 --> 1:26:25.439 with this as most of the time when I talked 1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:29.280 about it's just total blank faces, even among my friends 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:32.280 and comrades on the left. And unfortunately, but yeah, I 1:26:32.280 --> 1:26:35.200 mean reading about Finelli, who didn't speak a word of 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:39.600 Spanish and he just went and with his wild gesticulations 1:26:39.640 --> 1:26:44.400 and his passionate rhetoric was able to basically inspire people 1:26:44.640 --> 1:26:48.960 with the radical politics that he came there to represent, 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:51.679 and it somehow then took on a life of its own. 1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:53.880 Is kind of an extraordinary thing. And what I would 1:26:53.880 --> 1:26:56.160 do to take a time machine back and just see 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:59.639 what this guy, you know, on trains and basically lived 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:02.360 as a rant as he went from village to village, 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:05.080 spreading the word what what this looked like? What was 1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:08.160 he doing? Um? And yet these ideas took hold in 1:27:08.240 --> 1:27:15.560 a the only deep way. And UM. These notions of solidarity, 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:21.599 mutual aid, cooperation, free association existed by the time of 1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:24.760 the Spanish Revolution in nineteen thirty six. So these sort 1:27:24.760 --> 1:27:28.320 of dual power counter institutions were more or less in place. 1:27:28.880 --> 1:27:33.160 And these are the things which UM were the basis 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:38.920 the precondition for this sweeping egalitarian social revolution that then unfolded, 1:27:38.960 --> 1:27:42.680 which was unfortunately destroyed by force. UM. But this was 1:27:42.720 --> 1:27:45.960 the sort of society that I imagined I might actually 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:50.000 want to live UM and and uh and and what 1:27:50.040 --> 1:27:54.320 you see is that there is a deep element to UM, 1:27:54.360 --> 1:27:59.360 a sort of shared consciousness that existed at that time. 1:27:59.400 --> 1:28:01.240 And it was quite an effort for people to bring 1:28:01.280 --> 1:28:04.760 that consciousness from sort of the countryside where took hold 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:10.000 more nash naturally into sort of the industrial UM centers, 1:28:10.439 --> 1:28:14.639 the metropolitan areas where people working in factories were UM, 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:16.439 you know, found it a lot more difficult to sort 1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:20.600 of exercise these UM values because these things are effectively 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:25.160 bled out of them as they work on the factory floor. 1:28:25.520 --> 1:28:29.400 And UM. That brought a whole different meaning to the 1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:31.720 work that we were doing now. And we wondered, what 1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:36.040 can we do to uh inculcate, to nurture this kind 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:39.920 of consciousness among the people with whom we're interacting, as 1:28:39.920 --> 1:28:42.800 we do our mutual aid, as we do our distributions, 1:28:42.880 --> 1:28:45.479 as we hold these builds that you know, even though 1:28:45.479 --> 1:28:47.920 we had trouble getting initially a few of the people 1:28:47.920 --> 1:28:50.200 from our distributions to show up, there were still you know, 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:53.599 sixty seventy people showing up every other weekend. And now 1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:58.719 we finally started having the people that were distributing extraordinarily 1:28:58.880 --> 1:29:02.920 surprising and and exciting, and yeah, this has been it 1:29:02.960 --> 1:29:05.600 could happen here. 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Welcome It 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:19.040 could Happen here podcast about things falling apart and about 1:31:19.040 --> 1:31:20.639 how we can put them back together in a way 1:31:20.640 --> 1:31:24.080 better than they originally were. And today we're going to 1:31:24.120 --> 1:31:27.799 continue our interview with Janina Aprar from the Comedy Humanity Collective. 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:30.799 We've been talking about their work. We've been talking about 1:31:30.960 --> 1:31:33.040 the origin of the mutual A products. We've been talking 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:37.639 specifically about the political aspect of their work and how 1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:41.000 they're reading this sort of anarchists. The history of anarchist 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:43.719 struggle in Spain and particularly mtual Agree in the Spanish 1:31:43.720 --> 1:31:46.960 Civil War helped impact and shape the politics and work 1:31:47.000 --> 1:31:49.840 that they've been doing. One thing I want I wanted 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:52.120 to sort of circle back all the way too from 1:31:52.120 --> 1:31:53.600 the beginning, was the stuff you've got you were doing 1:31:53.640 --> 1:31:56.519 at the very beginning of the pandemic. Because I think 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:59.160 that this is I've talked about this before on here, 1:31:59.240 --> 1:32:04.040 but you know the difference between a country like the US, 1:32:04.040 --> 1:32:08.240 where what seven hundreds and hundrefifty people are dead and 1:32:08.520 --> 1:32:12.080 places with that didn't happen was the degree your community mobilization. 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:13.720 And I talked about this with the Chinese example, is 1:32:13.720 --> 1:32:15.080 that like, yeah, I mean like that the reason that 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:19.000 China the pandemic sort of got contained there, it wasn't 1:32:19.040 --> 1:32:20.600 because the state stepped in and was like, we're going 1:32:20.640 --> 1:32:22.600 to do this. It was because hundreds of thousands of 1:32:22.680 --> 1:32:25.880 ordinary people just took to the streets and we're like, okay, 1:32:25.880 --> 1:32:28.560 we're doing the lockdown now. And you know, and it 1:32:28.800 --> 1:32:30.960 takes a different form in China because you know, there's 1:32:30.960 --> 1:32:32.599 there's a lot of different sort of things going on there, 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:35.880 but that kind of mass community mobilization in the beginning 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:38.080 of it's just like it. It didn't happen that much 1:32:38.120 --> 1:32:40.439 in the US. And I think, like, you know, the 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:44.439 world where we don't all die in the pandemic, right 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:47.240 is the one where the things that you all were 1:32:47.280 --> 1:32:48.519 doing happened. I mean, one the way the things I 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:52.400 remember my sister is a bio grad student, and she 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:55.360 was telling me about how, you know, so so the 1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:56.600 you know, one of one of the things, one of 1:32:56.600 --> 1:32:58.599 the bottlenecks beginning of a pandemic, and it's still kind 1:32:58.600 --> 1:33:01.559 of a bottleneck was it was about being able to 1:33:01.600 --> 1:33:04.840 being able to do COVID tests and you know, biograd 1:33:04.920 --> 1:33:07.120 students can do PCR tests like it's easy. This is 1:33:07.200 --> 1:33:08.200 you know, this is one of the first things they 1:33:08.200 --> 1:33:12.120 teach you. And that capacity just was never used. It 1:33:12.200 --> 1:33:14.240 just it was just sort of left and like sat 1:33:14.280 --> 1:33:16.639 there and rotted. And it sat there and rotted because 1:33:17.280 --> 1:33:20.960 you know, the actual pandemic response was run by a 1:33:21.040 --> 1:33:23.519 state that just didn't care and a bureaucracy that, even 1:33:23.520 --> 1:33:25.320 when it did care, was sort of you know, I 1:33:25.360 --> 1:33:29.040 didn't have this capacity to mobilize. You know, it's it's 1:33:29.040 --> 1:33:31.240 its entire existence. It's about making sure that sort of 1:33:31.280 --> 1:33:34.519 the capacity for a ton's mobilization never happens. And I 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:37.559 think that that was one of the most interesting and 1:33:37.600 --> 1:33:39.840 powerful parts of what y'all were doing, was that you 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:44.280 just did it and it just it kept spreading. Yeah, No, 1:33:44.439 --> 1:33:47.000 I think it's a that's a really good and important 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:50.000 point you're bringing up. And I should mention that before 1:33:50.040 --> 1:33:52.439 we started doing any of this stuff with PPE, I 1:33:52.520 --> 1:33:56.400 was actually you know, as word as as as the 1:33:57.640 --> 1:34:03.200 um uh, the fear of the pandemic started spreading, and 1:34:03.240 --> 1:34:05.360 we finally had a picture of what the US would 1:34:05.400 --> 1:34:09.760 soon look like. I remember going to a union meeting 1:34:09.800 --> 1:34:13.160 among my fellow grad student workers and talking some people 1:34:13.200 --> 1:34:16.479 afterwards and saying like, hey, um, I don't think that 1:34:16.520 --> 1:34:19.920 we have anywhere near the kind of testing infrastructure that 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:22.040 we're going to need to prevent the spread of this stuff, 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:24.559 Like why don't we just is there any way that 1:34:24.640 --> 1:34:27.040 we can just take PCR machines and set up these 1:34:27.040 --> 1:34:32.080 little guerrilla operators and start testing people for free? And unfortunately, 1:34:32.120 --> 1:34:34.120 one of the things I noticed was that people, you know, 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:36.960 we're just very confused by this idea. They had much 1:34:36.960 --> 1:34:42.760 more faith in the state's ability to um assemble these infrastructures, 1:34:42.760 --> 1:34:44.680 and I just realized that was not the way in 1:34:44.680 --> 1:34:48.120 which I was going to be able to help out. 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:51.360 And so it's it's unfortunate, but a lot of people 1:34:51.640 --> 1:34:55.360 have even though they have these instincts for sort of 1:34:55.960 --> 1:34:58.479 mutual aid and for this kind of autonomous organized this 1:34:58.479 --> 1:35:01.240 stuff lies just below the surface US, often they don't 1:35:01.280 --> 1:35:04.120 feel actually capable of it. And I think more than anything, 1:35:04.160 --> 1:35:06.479 what we've done with this project is we've created a 1:35:06.560 --> 1:35:11.000 context in atmosphere in which things which people typically feel 1:35:11.040 --> 1:35:14.360 like they cannot do they suddenly realize they can do again. 1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:16.519 It's just to come back to that idea that most 1:35:16.560 --> 1:35:19.280 of us, you know, we live our lives, we sell 1:35:19.320 --> 1:35:22.120 our labor for wages. A few people who own the 1:35:22.160 --> 1:35:27.679 means of production, you know, accumulate profits and use them 1:35:27.680 --> 1:35:31.880 to manipulate the state for their own purposes. Um. And 1:35:32.040 --> 1:35:34.680 this has an effect on us. I mean, this has 1:35:34.720 --> 1:35:38.880 an effect on dulling our consciousness um. And it's an 1:35:38.880 --> 1:35:44.000 extraordinary transformation in our social relations, in our sense of 1:35:44.000 --> 1:35:46.759 our own individuality when we do realize in these moments 1:35:46.840 --> 1:35:51.880 that we can be um subjects. And so unfortunately my 1:35:52.120 --> 1:35:56.479 initial to try to stimulate some of this activity around 1:35:56.479 --> 1:36:01.599 testing didn't work out. Um. But yeah, it just presents 1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:04.479 this recurring problem, which is that people are not used 1:36:04.520 --> 1:36:07.880 to doing this kind of work. And Janine and I 1:36:07.920 --> 1:36:11.080 have found many many times that you know, people are 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:13.760 willing to come and use their hands and build something 1:36:13.800 --> 1:36:15.640 for a few hours. But then what we try to 1:36:15.640 --> 1:36:18.080 do is get them involved. We say, come to the meetings. 1:36:18.800 --> 1:36:22.240 You have decision making power. You can determine the trajectory 1:36:22.360 --> 1:36:25.800 of this work. And that's always a very very difficult 1:36:25.800 --> 1:36:29.000 thing to be doing. Now, given the way that sort 1:36:29.000 --> 1:36:32.640 of people have been conditioned UM right now, and I 1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:38.439 think that's something which is concerning because these uh traits 1:36:38.479 --> 1:36:42.720 of subservience and sort of submission, I think are incompatible. 1:36:42.760 --> 1:36:46.400 If there were a moment of revolutionary rupture, I'm not 1:36:46.479 --> 1:36:49.599 sure that that would necessarily lead to any better sort 1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:52.839 of society. So I think this stuff is deeply, deeply 1:36:52.960 --> 1:36:55.599 important to get people involved in this kind of work. 1:36:56.200 --> 1:36:57.519 I just want to go back to one of the 1:36:57.560 --> 1:37:00.240 things you said, Like you mentioned the community asked act 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:03.000 and like those relationships, and I think that I know 1:37:03.080 --> 1:37:05.280 I've said this so many times, both in like my 1:37:05.400 --> 1:37:07.960 organizing space and even on this podcast today, but I 1:37:08.000 --> 1:37:11.040 truly have felt like building community is one of the 1:37:11.120 --> 1:37:14.000 most powerful ways to organize. And I think so many 1:37:14.040 --> 1:37:17.600 people in leftist spaces right now see organizing as like 1:37:17.640 --> 1:37:19.920 a place where you just do work UM, and I 1:37:19.960 --> 1:37:22.679 actually think that that's a really terrible way to organize. 1:37:22.720 --> 1:37:24.920 I don't think that you're gonna have people come back 1:37:25.080 --> 1:37:27.800 right like. I don't think that um, anyone is going 1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:31.040 to feel empowered. And you know, kind of through talking 1:37:31.080 --> 1:37:33.280 to a bra I've started reading this book on the 1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:36.519 freewomen of Spain and like thinking more about this also, 1:37:36.640 --> 1:37:40.439 right and thinking about how they're talking about community building 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:43.400 and how they're talking about like community is believing in 1:37:43.439 --> 1:37:45.960 each other and like helping each other realize their full 1:37:45.960 --> 1:37:49.559 potential UM and as a way to actually find equity 1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:54.320 and equality through like horizontalist structures, through allowing people to 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:57.720 reach their full potential UM And I think, you know, 1:37:57.880 --> 1:37:59.800 these are some of the politics that have informed what 1:37:59.800 --> 1:38:02.639 we're doing, that have informed how we're trying to allow 1:38:02.680 --> 1:38:06.240 people to grow. And so many people have come to 1:38:06.600 --> 1:38:09.479 us and said, you know, these mass builds or these 1:38:09.479 --> 1:38:12.639 air purifier builds are like the highlight of my week 1:38:12.720 --> 1:38:15.080 or the highlight of my month UM or I'm thinking 1:38:15.160 --> 1:38:18.080 about the like the way that you're structuring UM your 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:20.840 distributions and thinking about how I can implement that into 1:38:20.880 --> 1:38:22.800 the work that we're doing UM And I think that 1:38:22.840 --> 1:38:25.280 those things are so powerful when you're able to create 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:29.040 these spaces again where people care for each other, and 1:38:29.080 --> 1:38:32.120 like you're saying, that goes a long way towards being 1:38:32.160 --> 1:38:35.120 able to mobilize UM when there are disasters, to being 1:38:35.160 --> 1:38:37.879 able to mobilize around protests, to being able to mobilize 1:38:37.880 --> 1:38:42.880 around these ruptures because you have solidarity that's built through relationships, 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:46.600 and that is allowing you to build power. One of 1:38:46.600 --> 1:38:48.600 the things that that YouTube sort of getting it is 1:38:48.640 --> 1:38:52.599 that you know, if there's it's hard in a lot 1:38:52.600 --> 1:38:57.000 of ways, because yeah, I mean, the US has and 1:38:57.040 --> 1:38:59.720 you baked into just to every single part of your 1:38:59.760 --> 1:39:02.840 life is there's going to be someone who is above you, 1:39:02.880 --> 1:39:04.200 who can order you and tell you what to do. 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:06.240 And that's you know, that's that's that's that's the defining 1:39:06.320 --> 1:39:08.719 characteristic of life in the United States. And the second 1:39:08.720 --> 1:39:10.720 defining characteristic is if you don't do what they tell you, 1:39:10.760 --> 1:39:13.280 a person with the gun shows up and either beats 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:16.880 you or hauls you away and enslaves you. And you 1:39:16.920 --> 1:39:20.200 know that that that has these enormous sort of psychological 1:39:20.240 --> 1:39:23.960 consequences that you know, create creates this culture where people 1:39:24.800 --> 1:39:26.559 you know, I mean, and that this goes along with 1:39:26.600 --> 1:39:28.880 there's there's this whole the skilling process that's that's been 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:31.040 a sort of part of the broad arch of capitalism 1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:33.840 that you all trying to reverse. But even even yeah, 1:39:33.880 --> 1:39:35.240 you know, it's talking about even the people who have 1:39:35.320 --> 1:39:40.920 the skills just don't sort of they don't believe in 1:39:40.960 --> 1:39:42.760 their own autonomy. In a way and that and that 1:39:42.760 --> 1:39:46.960 that becomes this incredibly powerful, you know, tool of keeping 1:39:46.960 --> 1:39:50.280 people in line. But when that breaks and when when 1:39:50.280 --> 1:39:52.679 people start to see it, it can take time. But yeah, 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:55.720 you know that the the kinds of power in the 1:39:56.320 --> 1:39:58.760 depth of the sort of organization that you build isn't 1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:00.400 from that is incredible. And I think it's only anything 1:40:00.479 --> 1:40:02.599 about the Spanish example that people tend to forget, which 1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:04.800 is that you know, okay, so that the c n 1:40:04.840 --> 1:40:06.560 T which is the sort of giant c n T 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:10.080 f A eyes that the giants sort of h Annachrist, 1:40:10.080 --> 1:40:12.080 the union that's that's running a lot of this stuff. 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:15.880 You know, they're almost completely destroyed at the drink, like 1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:17.639 over the course of the Spanis civil war, and they're 1:40:17.760 --> 1:40:19.720 you know, distruber the stalents, distruber with the fascist and 1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:20.880 at the end, by the end of the war, you 1:40:20.920 --> 1:40:24.240 know that the fascist control Spain for about forty years. 1:40:24.280 --> 1:40:27.360 But even that, you know, I mean, they kill hundreds 1:40:27.360 --> 1:40:31.559 of thousands of people, they like, there's massacres is you know, 1:40:31.600 --> 1:40:35.680 it turns into literally a fascist police state. But the 1:40:35.840 --> 1:40:39.640 moment that the moment the fascist a tatorship collapses, the 1:40:39.640 --> 1:40:44.000 CNT reappears. And they even even in you know, in 1:40:44.000 --> 1:40:45.560 in seventies Spain, in a place that is in a 1:40:45.600 --> 1:40:48.479 lot of ways the industrialized, they still almost overthrow the 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:51.559 government one more time. And you know, I mean they're 1:40:51.560 --> 1:40:54.400 they're still around the sort of much reduced form to 1:40:54.400 --> 1:40:56.439 this day. But I mean, once once you build that 1:40:56.520 --> 1:41:00.280 kind of power, right, even you know, even footy yours 1:41:00.439 --> 1:41:03.519 fascistctatorship was enough to completely destroy it. It was you know, 1:41:03.520 --> 1:41:05.960 it was it was still there, sort of waiting underground, 1:41:06.080 --> 1:41:08.680 and then the moment there was a rupture reappears. This 1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:10.880 is a really important thing that you're bringing up, Chris, 1:41:10.920 --> 1:41:14.519 because I think it has um a lot to do 1:41:14.640 --> 1:41:17.920 with how we just measure and talk about success on 1:41:17.960 --> 1:41:21.880 the left. Um, what you're describing, which you know, Spain 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:24.840 is typically by many people on the left described as 1:41:24.920 --> 1:41:27.479 kind of a failed experiment. Oh it was nice, but 1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:31.960 it ultimately failed. So let's look at Russia, you know. Um, 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:35.760 but uh, some people have argued, and I think very correctly, 1:41:35.800 --> 1:41:38.200 that you can't put the genie back in the bottle. 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:42.080 Once something like this happens. It's there. Those energies are there, 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:45.840 They are not forgotten, they're not lost, and there's you know, 1:41:45.920 --> 1:41:52.759 a very vigorous sort of left wing radical anarchist movement 1:41:52.880 --> 1:41:56.799 that's resonant um uh and very sort of consistent with 1:41:56.800 --> 1:42:01.800 with the earlier movement during the thirties. And UM, I 1:42:01.840 --> 1:42:05.439 think that's that's an extraordinarily important thing to think about. 1:42:05.560 --> 1:42:08.760 We tend to measure these projects in these very sort 1:42:08.760 --> 1:42:12.719 of linear, sort of status terms, and we discovered, especially 1:42:12.720 --> 1:42:14.200 when we were doing work in d say, that a 1:42:14.200 --> 1:42:16.360 lot of people were trying to frame our own project 1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:18.400 in that way. You know, what are the demands that 1:42:18.479 --> 1:42:21.520 you're making, what are the what pressure are you exerting 1:42:21.560 --> 1:42:24.519 on the state? Um? And so there's these criteria that 1:42:24.600 --> 1:42:28.320 people use to evaluate kind of the efficacy or success 1:42:28.360 --> 1:42:31.360 of projects like these, And the Spanish example tells you, 1:42:31.880 --> 1:42:33.840 UM that the way that these things work is in 1:42:33.880 --> 1:42:37.640 fact much more complicated and much more interesting UM. And 1:42:37.720 --> 1:42:41.519 that by assembling these structures, these organizations, even if at 1:42:41.560 --> 1:42:45.559 some time or another they don't necessarily exist anymore, all 1:42:45.640 --> 1:42:48.880 of those people who participated in them are transformed, and 1:42:48.920 --> 1:42:53.120 the people that they interact with might then also be transformed. 1:42:53.200 --> 1:42:56.040 And so something like the c n T, which is 1:42:56.120 --> 1:42:58.880 you know, an extraordinary organization the f ai is what 1:42:59.040 --> 1:43:01.720 you know, really gave it the kind of anarcho syndicalist 1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:06.080 content that defined the quality of that revolution. Um, that 1:43:06.200 --> 1:43:08.880 never got lost, that never went away, even when it 1:43:08.920 --> 1:43:11.760 seems to have disappeared. Um. And so I think we 1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:15.799 have to learn to think about success and failure um, 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:19.200 you know, as we very simplistically use these terms very 1:43:19.320 --> 1:43:22.519 very um differently. And this is something which informs our 1:43:22.560 --> 1:43:25.400 own work when we're asking was this successful? Was this 1:43:25.520 --> 1:43:28.560 not successful? Um? I think that's a much more difficult 1:43:28.760 --> 1:43:31.639 and complicated question than we often make it out to be. Yeah, 1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:34.559 and I think there's something very specific about you know, 1:43:34.760 --> 1:43:37.560 if we can go into sort of d s A 1:43:37.640 --> 1:43:39.639 factional politics for a little bit, but like I think 1:43:39.680 --> 1:43:41.960 like in some ways you see the shallowness of a 1:43:42.000 --> 1:43:43.920 lot of the approaches that was happening in the d 1:43:44.000 --> 1:43:47.320 s A where you know, like if if you if 1:43:47.320 --> 1:43:48.640 you look at a lot of how the sort of 1:43:48.680 --> 1:43:50.280 Medica for All stuff went or a lot of how 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:54.280 the sort of Bernie campaign stuff went right, it was okay. 1:43:54.439 --> 1:43:56.680 You know, you have these you have these organizations that 1:43:56.720 --> 1:43:59.320 are like a mile wide and inch deep, and it's like, okay, 1:43:59.320 --> 1:44:02.840 they're their capable of mobilizing people devote one time, but 1:44:03.280 --> 1:44:05.360 you know, then they lose the election, and then what right, 1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:06.800 so that they don't they don't don't they don't have 1:44:06.880 --> 1:44:08.479 you know, there's they're supposed to be this whole thing 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:10.400 of like Bernie being an organizer in chief and this 1:44:10.439 --> 1:44:13.040 whole sort of plan to use the sort of lists 1:44:13.080 --> 1:44:16.800 he developers organized anything. It's never happened, and you know, 1:44:17.040 --> 1:44:18.680 it didn't happen in a lot of ways because it 1:44:18.760 --> 1:44:21.439 was just sort of they they treated the whole process 1:44:21.439 --> 1:44:24.120 of building power as essentially a beocratic exercise. Right, it's 1:44:24.120 --> 1:44:25.639 how many people are on this list? How many people 1:44:25.680 --> 1:44:28.000 are showing up to the the state, like you know, and 1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:29.559 like how how many how many how many doors have 1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:33.640 we knocked on? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's it's just you know, 1:44:33.680 --> 1:44:35.080 and that's the and that's the other thing you're talking 1:44:35.120 --> 1:44:37.680 about with the fact that organizing spaces have to be 1:44:37.760 --> 1:44:40.040 more than just another just another place you go to work, 1:44:40.720 --> 1:44:43.000 right is if you know, if if all you're doing 1:44:43.200 --> 1:44:45.599 is just replicating these sort of bereocratic things, you're you're 1:44:45.640 --> 1:44:47.439 going to watch them fail exactly the same way the 1:44:47.439 --> 1:44:50.040 burocracies do, except you know, you're you're you're not the 1:44:50.080 --> 1:44:51.880 American State, you're not a a Democratic Party. You don't have 1:44:51.920 --> 1:44:54.040 an infinite amount of money or the ability to sort 1:44:54.080 --> 1:44:56.200 of you know, you don't you don't have the ability 1:44:56.240 --> 1:44:58.360 to call an army to enforce what you need to do, right, 1:44:58.400 --> 1:45:02.880 You don't. You don't have you don't have the fallback 1:45:03.040 --> 1:45:06.280 of bad methods of organizing, which is violence. And when 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:11.240 that happens, you know, and and suddenly and you can't 1:45:11.280 --> 1:45:13.679 confront your own failures because you're stuck in this, things 1:45:13.760 --> 1:45:15.040 just start to sort of implode, and you start to 1:45:15.080 --> 1:45:17.120 lose people, and you start to sort of you know, 1:45:17.280 --> 1:45:19.719 you see this sort of stagnation and decline that I think, 1:45:20.880 --> 1:45:25.200 you know, talking about, Yeah, we're getting exactly too much 1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:28.320 into what's going on in East Bay, Like that's that that, 1:45:28.320 --> 1:45:30.680 that's been everything I've seen out of it. Yeah, And 1:45:30.720 --> 1:45:32.439 I think to go kind of off of what a 1:45:32.520 --> 1:45:35.040 bro was talking about to kind of put this into 1:45:35.200 --> 1:45:38.120 terms of the work that we've been doing, right, you know, 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:40.880 through the Mask builds um as they were winding down, 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:43.320 we weren't quite sure what our next project was, and 1:45:43.720 --> 1:45:46.800 you know, we talked a lot about like how do 1:45:46.840 --> 1:45:49.439 we keep this energy going like, we don't want to 1:45:49.479 --> 1:45:51.640 just lose this. And I also felt, you know, a 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:55.559 certain amount of social obligation to you know, keep this 1:45:55.600 --> 1:45:59.400 community together that had formed during the pandemic. And so 1:45:59.439 --> 1:46:01.840 we started did a book group kind of in the 1:46:01.960 --> 1:46:06.080 interim reading How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney, and 1:46:06.360 --> 1:46:09.200 you know, had around thirty people show up to that 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:13.600 UM And I think, as you know, you're talking about 1:46:13.640 --> 1:46:17.320 the importance of once you know, these relationships are formed, 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:20.080 once these ideologies start to percolate, that they don't just 1:46:20.120 --> 1:46:23.880 go away, right. These people that we you know, brought 1:46:24.000 --> 1:46:25.920 into d s A and a lot of ways the 1:46:26.280 --> 1:46:28.479 d s A came to join this book group and 1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:31.600 later came to join the Air Purifier project despite the 1:46:31.640 --> 1:46:34.120 fact that it was more outside of d s A. 1:46:34.120 --> 1:46:36.800 A lot of these people, because of you know, what 1:46:36.840 --> 1:46:39.559 we had built and what we had created, continued to 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:43.320 be such a huge part and take on incredible leadership 1:46:43.439 --> 1:46:47.200 roles UM and you know, facilitate this project in a 1:46:47.200 --> 1:46:48.840 way that it would not at all look like what 1:46:48.880 --> 1:46:52.160 it does without you know, these people dedicating so much 1:46:52.160 --> 1:46:54.439 of their time and energy to this project. Kind of 1:46:54.479 --> 1:46:58.160 throughout the process, Yeah, and Chris, I'm going back to 1:46:58.200 --> 1:47:02.200 what you're saying earlier. I think, um m hm, I've 1:47:02.280 --> 1:47:09.640 I've seen a very interesting, um a kind of reflection 1:47:09.880 --> 1:47:12.599 come out of some of these organizations, and you see 1:47:12.640 --> 1:47:17.880 these different splits and sort of uh wings developing. But yeah, 1:47:17.920 --> 1:47:21.400 I mean I Janine is a very sort of organic, 1:47:22.000 --> 1:47:24.960 radical and revolutionary who I've learned an enormous amount from. 1:47:25.040 --> 1:47:28.080 But I think my own trajectory was much more characteristic 1:47:28.160 --> 1:47:30.439 of what you described earlier, which is that you know, 1:47:30.560 --> 1:47:33.599 I put all my eggs in this basket. I thought, Okay, 1:47:33.720 --> 1:47:36.559 Bernie Sanders, like, that's that is, that is the that 1:47:36.720 --> 1:47:40.080 is the beginning of how we undergo a sort of 1:47:40.120 --> 1:47:44.360 democratic socialist transformation. And then, you know, in a few 1:47:44.439 --> 1:47:46.880 snaps of the finger, even though I had spent just 1:47:47.000 --> 1:47:51.160 like hundreds of hours just knocking doors and promising all 1:47:51.200 --> 1:47:53.800 these things to people who might you know, vote for 1:47:53.920 --> 1:47:56.599 him at their door, and and all this stuff that 1:47:56.720 --> 1:48:01.080 and and and just sort of regurgitating all the slogans 1:48:01.360 --> 1:48:06.640 and and talking you know, rapturously about these welfare programs. 1:48:07.040 --> 1:48:10.280 Um I saw all that dissolved in a moment, and 1:48:10.360 --> 1:48:14.639 I realized that I didn't leave anything behind, And there 1:48:14.760 --> 1:48:17.799 was you know, in D. S A and our chapter, 1:48:17.920 --> 1:48:19.880 you saw that there was a large group of people 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:22.960 who just wanted to keep that flame burning and just 1:48:23.000 --> 1:48:25.640 say we'll do better next time, you know, we'll do 1:48:25.760 --> 1:48:28.640 more work at the local level to elect representatives. But 1:48:28.680 --> 1:48:31.160 then there was another group of people. It was much 1:48:31.160 --> 1:48:35.360 more disillusioned UM and really started wondering is this what 1:48:35.439 --> 1:48:37.840 we should be doing, or at least is this all 1:48:37.880 --> 1:48:40.240 that we should be doing UM. And you see the 1:48:40.280 --> 1:48:42.920 same thing coming out of a group like Sunrise, which 1:48:43.040 --> 1:48:46.599 whose primary sort of mandate is to just put pressure 1:48:46.680 --> 1:48:50.519 onto Congress UM to urge the necessity of a green 1:48:50.520 --> 1:48:53.840 new deal or whatever. And nevertheless, out of Sunrise, we've 1:48:53.880 --> 1:48:57.160 met people who, after the George Floyd protests, after the 1:48:57.160 --> 1:49:01.000 dissolution of the Bernie campaign, had and lead down the 1:49:01.120 --> 1:49:04.639 same radical path as as some of us UM found 1:49:04.640 --> 1:49:09.640 ourselves traveling UM in in East by D. S A. 1:49:10.200 --> 1:49:12.479 And they're the ones who have now come to help 1:49:12.600 --> 1:49:16.840 our project and you know, using whatever autonomy they have 1:49:17.040 --> 1:49:20.559 at the sort of um hub level in Sunrise, because 1:49:20.560 --> 1:49:23.160 even though it's an organization with sort of paid staff 1:49:23.160 --> 1:49:25.960 and something of this bureaucracy right now in this moment, 1:49:26.360 --> 1:49:29.799 the individual little local hubs actually have a surprising amount 1:49:29.800 --> 1:49:31.720 of autonomy, and I really hope they're going to fight 1:49:31.720 --> 1:49:34.679 for protect that autonomy. So they've been able to use 1:49:34.720 --> 1:49:38.519 that autonomy to actually put a lot of effort toward 1:49:38.720 --> 1:49:42.120 raise money thousands of dollars for our work at c 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:45.400 h C and come to our organizer meetings, become a 1:49:45.439 --> 1:49:49.440 part of the effort, and urge upon their own um 1:49:49.640 --> 1:49:52.600 friends and co organizers and and people they know in 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:56.479 Sunrise to shift the direction of their work of their 1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:59.960 branches towards doing more work like this. So there are 1:50:00.000 --> 1:50:04.080 of these kind of interesting different uh splinterings that you 1:50:04.120 --> 1:50:07.000 see happening, which give me some hope that we're not 1:50:07.080 --> 1:50:09.840 just going to keep running the same tape over and 1:50:09.880 --> 1:50:12.240 over again. So one of the other interviews we did 1:50:12.280 --> 1:50:14.080 on this show was with a bunch of people who 1:50:14.080 --> 1:50:19.320 were working with the basically this giant effort in Atlanta 1:50:19.400 --> 1:50:26.000 to stop this like just atrocious sort of destruct this 1:50:26.080 --> 1:50:28.320 destruction of a bunch of forests to create this like 1:50:28.880 --> 1:50:33.759 weird teaching cops. How did you kind of terrorism enormous 1:50:33.800 --> 1:50:36.720 academy thing that's being funded by like a bunch of 1:50:36.720 --> 1:50:40.280 the Logic Corporations in Atlanta, and they were describing you know, 1:50:40.439 --> 1:50:43.240 they didn't talk about sort of the exacting process of solution, 1:50:43.280 --> 1:50:44.479 but you know, you saw they were like, you know, 1:50:44.479 --> 1:50:46.080 one of the people with the hair was from Sunrise 1:50:46.200 --> 1:50:48.599 and they were also talking about how they pulled together. 1:50:48.680 --> 1:50:51.360 That's just like enormous coalition of bunch of community groups 1:50:52.000 --> 1:50:55.320 that was, you know, and like the their their initial 1:50:55.320 --> 1:50:57.400 goal was they're trying to pressure the city council into 1:50:57.560 --> 1:51:00.559 stopping the into you know, not proving it and that 1:51:00.600 --> 1:51:04.680 doesn't work. But you know, you know, some of some 1:51:04.720 --> 1:51:06.600 of the other groups that were that were involved in this, 1:51:06.640 --> 1:51:08.839 we're talking about like okay, well you know that they're 1:51:08.880 --> 1:51:10.519 planning is like if this fails, we're gonna go stop 1:51:10.520 --> 1:51:14.760 it ourselves. And I think that pivot right is one 1:51:14.800 --> 1:51:17.160 of the most crucial things that is happening right now, 1:51:17.200 --> 1:51:19.920 because you know, okay, if if you, if you you know, 1:51:19.960 --> 1:51:21.840 if if you, if you you, you pull out your 1:51:21.840 --> 1:51:24.800 like poll your policy like policy space diagrams right like 1:51:24.840 --> 1:51:27.479 it's it's the United States. The policy that's enacted is 1:51:27.520 --> 1:51:29.400 the one that is the policy is decided about the 1:51:29.400 --> 1:51:33.720 sixtieth Senator and it's like Okay, so you know, even 1:51:33.720 --> 1:51:35.160 even if if even if you're gonna try to do 1:51:35.200 --> 1:51:38.639 an electoral thing, right, you need six you need sixty votes. 1:51:38.640 --> 1:51:44.599 In the Senate, there is one arguably socialist senator and 1:51:44.640 --> 1:51:47.000 we've never elected another one, so you know, and you're 1:51:47.120 --> 1:51:48.360 just looking at this, right and it's like, okay, like 1:51:48.479 --> 1:51:54.520 you know, we we elect like to maybe three socialists 1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:57.680 in in the House every year, and if you know, 1:51:57.720 --> 1:52:00.240 if you continue at the same rate, they'll be like 1:52:00.320 --> 1:52:03.280 what like like two hundred years if we have a 1:52:03.320 --> 1:52:05.040 majority there, And it's like yeah, you know, and at 1:52:05.080 --> 1:52:07.720 a certain points like yeah, I mean, we're like we're 1:52:07.720 --> 1:52:10.200 not gonna be around because we'll be dead, but like 1:52:10.320 --> 1:52:12.559 most of most most of the stuff on earth will 1:52:12.600 --> 1:52:14.679 also not be around because it will have been obliteral 1:52:14.680 --> 1:52:16.600 bla climate change there. And you know, and at some 1:52:16.640 --> 1:52:19.040 point you have to get to we're gonna have to 1:52:19.080 --> 1:52:21.280 do it ourselves because no one, no one else is 1:52:21.320 --> 1:52:23.720 going to do it for us. And I think that 1:52:23.920 --> 1:52:26.080 the work YouTube have been doing is just incredible, is 1:52:26.120 --> 1:52:28.719 just an incredible example of how that can actually happen 1:52:28.760 --> 1:52:31.240 and what what that looks like. Thank you. Yeah, I 1:52:31.240 --> 1:52:33.519 think that it is so important, and I think that 1:52:33.520 --> 1:52:35.040 that's one of the reasons that to me, it was 1:52:35.080 --> 1:52:37.720 also so important to get all of these groups at 1:52:37.760 --> 1:52:42.680 these air purifier pims because I think oftentimes organizing is 1:52:42.720 --> 1:52:46.599 so siloed and it really frustrates me, and people seem 1:52:46.800 --> 1:52:49.840 very like loyal at least I've found this in East 1:52:49.840 --> 1:52:52.800 by d s A to like their particular organization, any 1:52:52.840 --> 1:52:55.080 other organization they don't even really want to talk about 1:52:55.160 --> 1:52:58.599 or they don't even know still exist um. And to me, like, 1:52:58.840 --> 1:53:01.120 if we can give people the tools to organize, I 1:53:01.120 --> 1:53:05.280 don't care who they're organizing, UM, but if we can 1:53:05.360 --> 1:53:08.880 also like have these groups communicate with each other, right, 1:53:09.000 --> 1:53:12.080 Like different groups are doing exactly the same thing. Right. 1:53:12.120 --> 1:53:16.000 We have the Ecosocialist Group UM in d s A. Right, 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:18.920 you have Sunrise, you have the i w W, and 1:53:18.920 --> 1:53:20.680 then you have the Labor Committee of d s A. 1:53:20.760 --> 1:53:23.519 And it's like sometimes there is cross communication, right, But 1:53:23.560 --> 1:53:25.400 to me, it never feels like it's quite enough. It 1:53:25.439 --> 1:53:28.160 never feels like we're really all working on this or 1:53:28.200 --> 1:53:30.040 we're really all in it together. And I think we 1:53:30.120 --> 1:53:33.240 really should be, because like you're saying, like there's kind 1:53:33.240 --> 1:53:35.639 of a ticking cloth. We only have a certain amount 1:53:35.640 --> 1:53:37.679 of time to actually make the changes that we want 1:53:37.720 --> 1:53:40.920 to see. And when we're not willing to actually work 1:53:40.960 --> 1:53:44.120 with each other and communicate with each other, things are 1:53:44.160 --> 1:53:46.960 not going to happen as quickly. UM. And so being 1:53:47.000 --> 1:53:49.320 able to have, like, you know, a table of people 1:53:49.320 --> 1:53:53.920 assembling purifiers from d S a Sunrise tank, right, and 1:53:53.960 --> 1:53:56.360 they're all talking about the organizing work that they're doing 1:53:56.400 --> 1:53:59.599 and sharing stories and strategies, so that we're not all 1:53:59.680 --> 1:54:03.240 consly reinventing the wheel. That actually working together on this 1:54:03.560 --> 1:54:06.519 I think is so so valuable. And this is something 1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:09.120 that we've seen. You know, one of our friends who's 1:54:09.880 --> 1:54:12.680 helping lead one of the tank locals, has come to 1:54:12.720 --> 1:54:14.760 a number of our events and was telling us how 1:54:14.800 --> 1:54:17.120 he's actually tried to bring things that he's seen that 1:54:17.160 --> 1:54:20.000 we're doing into his own local and we've heard this 1:54:20.160 --> 1:54:25.080 in other contexts as well. So things spread, and that's 1:54:25.120 --> 1:54:27.960 I think a really important thing that um, you know, 1:54:28.120 --> 1:54:34.520 especially because of Janine's um you know, just just uh 1:54:34.560 --> 1:54:37.520 attempts to try to get all these groups together into 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:41.400 one place to communicate, to build relationships. UM. We're now 1:54:41.480 --> 1:54:45.160 seeing what we've built sort of emanating elsewhere and we're 1:54:45.200 --> 1:54:48.040 also learning a lot from all these different people in 1:54:48.080 --> 1:54:50.960 groups who come to our builds and then become organizers 1:54:51.000 --> 1:54:54.240 in the effort. And you know, to mention someone like 1:54:54.760 --> 1:54:57.520 you know, Gerald Jannine referred to earlier, who is this 1:54:57.840 --> 1:55:06.640 uh wonderful full um cantankerous h ex black panther, you know, 1:55:06.720 --> 1:55:10.040 who has such an enormous history of experience. For him 1:55:10.080 --> 1:55:13.360 to give us that historical perspective for everything that we're doing, 1:55:13.920 --> 1:55:17.080 um has been an enormous boost of confidence, and it's 1:55:17.120 --> 1:55:20.120 allowed us to focus and you know, just to reiterate 1:55:20.160 --> 1:55:22.960 what she said earlier, we were really depressed when we 1:55:22.960 --> 1:55:24.760 went out and we were talking to people in West 1:55:24.840 --> 1:55:27.360 Oakland and East Oakland, and everyone was telling us we're 1:55:27.360 --> 1:55:30.000 gonna come, Yeah, we'll show up, we'll be there. And then, 1:55:30.320 --> 1:55:33.560 you know, while many other people showed up from Sunrise, DSA, C, 1:55:33.760 --> 1:55:37.080 HC elsewhere, none of those people showed up. And we said, Gerald, 1:55:37.080 --> 1:55:39.720 they're not coming. What's going on? And he said, you know, 1:55:40.120 --> 1:55:44.840 keep going, keep trying, keep doing it, do not give up. 1:55:44.880 --> 1:55:49.320 Do not judge from that one experience. This is really 1:55:49.360 --> 1:55:52.600 hard work. And these people have had the door shot 1:55:52.640 --> 1:55:56.080 on them over and over and over again, and they're tired, 1:55:56.120 --> 1:55:58.880 and it's the weekend, but you keep doing it and 1:55:58.920 --> 1:56:01.040 they will come, and then next time they came. We 1:56:01.120 --> 1:56:03.760 may not have gone there again had it not been 1:56:03.800 --> 1:56:08.480 for Gerald bringing in this enormous um breath of experience 1:56:08.560 --> 1:56:10.520 to share with us. You know, at the end of 1:56:10.520 --> 1:56:14.240 our previous bill there there's this there's this quote that 1:56:14.280 --> 1:56:17.000 I remember from every who was it was one of 1:56:17.040 --> 1:56:18.560 the one of the people who've been heavily involved in 1:56:18.560 --> 1:56:21.080 the Egyptian Revolution thousand eleven, had this quote and she's 1:56:21.120 --> 1:56:23.720 talking about, you know, I whould be doing this for decades, right, 1:56:23.760 --> 1:56:25.600 And she's like, yeah, because you've a protest and if 1:56:25.480 --> 1:56:28.440 if if a hundred if people show up, you're happy, 1:56:28.480 --> 1:56:30.640 and if a hundred people show up, you're depressed. And 1:56:30.640 --> 1:56:32.760 then one day, eight hundred thousand people show up and 1:56:32.760 --> 1:56:36.040 you kind of just forgot that could happen. And yeah, 1:56:36.080 --> 1:56:38.160 I mean that that is something that you know, Yeah, 1:56:38.160 --> 1:56:41.920 you're like organizing is not easy. That you're you're gonna 1:56:41.960 --> 1:56:45.000 spend a lot of time like not winning, You're gonna 1:56:45.000 --> 1:56:47.520 spend a lot of time feeling like you're barely treading water. 1:56:47.560 --> 1:56:49.680 There's gonna be a lot of time where you know, 1:56:49.920 --> 1:56:52.200 nothing works and everything seems to be falling apart. But 1:56:53.600 --> 1:56:57.440 you know, if you keep pushing, thousand people show up 1:56:57.600 --> 1:57:01.200 and you know, and suddenly the regime is like taking 1:57:01.560 --> 1:57:03.360 like you know, try trying to catch planes out of 1:57:03.360 --> 1:57:06.520 the country and yeah, and you know, and you get 1:57:06.560 --> 1:57:09.440 to that that CLR. James line about how the ruling 1:57:09.440 --> 1:57:12.120 classes not defeeding until's ruling until it's running for its lives. 1:57:12.160 --> 1:57:14.240 But you know they do run for their lives. This 1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:17.960 is the thing that happens. Yeah, and you know, if 1:57:18.000 --> 1:57:20.560 if we do this together, we can get there totally. 1:57:20.720 --> 1:57:23.560 And I think, you know, what a bar saying is 1:57:23.600 --> 1:57:27.400 so true. And we also, you know, in doing these distributions, 1:57:27.800 --> 1:57:30.080 talk to people and I literally would say, like what, 1:57:30.120 --> 1:57:33.080 we'll get people to show up, right, there's kind of 1:57:33.120 --> 1:57:36.720 like honesty in these conversations of like, you know, this 1:57:36.800 --> 1:57:39.920 is what we're trying to do, Like there's a reciprocal 1:57:39.960 --> 1:57:43.880 relationship here again, like help us understand also like what 1:57:43.960 --> 1:57:46.480 we need to do in order to make sure that 1:57:46.720 --> 1:57:50.680 the reciprocal relationship is actually realized and actually happening. Um. 1:57:50.720 --> 1:57:53.000 And I think that that was kind of an exciting 1:57:53.040 --> 1:57:56.480 moment of like having people have some autonomy and like say, 1:57:56.560 --> 1:57:58.680 and like you know, they know this community better than 1:57:58.720 --> 1:58:01.280 we do, right, they know like how people are going 1:58:01.320 --> 1:58:04.680 to show up and how maybe they won't. But Chris, Uh, 1:58:05.280 --> 1:58:07.000 just to bring it back to what you were saying, 1:58:07.040 --> 1:58:13.320 I think describing the kind of nonlinear trajectory of uh 1:58:13.480 --> 1:58:16.240 popular movements in history is something that we try to 1:58:16.320 --> 1:58:20.320 keep always in our minds. Um, things may begin, small, 1:58:20.440 --> 1:58:23.040 things may seem small, even when you study the examples 1:58:23.080 --> 1:58:26.160 in Spain of sort of the groups of people who 1:58:26.200 --> 1:58:28.800 formed sort of the early f AI who were just 1:58:28.880 --> 1:58:31.760 sort of discussing these ideas around to fire before they 1:58:31.800 --> 1:58:34.360 tried to sort of infiltrate the CNT, and then this 1:58:34.480 --> 1:58:38.360 became the sort of predominant um mood and sort of 1:58:38.400 --> 1:58:41.880 ideology that that that that characterized the c NT, which 1:58:41.920 --> 1:58:44.520 then you know, spread out and sort of characterize the 1:58:44.560 --> 1:58:48.840 Spanish Revolution at large and massive numbers millions of people, 1:58:49.120 --> 1:58:51.880 you know, um, And and just seeing what happened with 1:58:51.920 --> 1:58:54.960 the George Floyd protests and studying the examples of you know, 1:58:55.120 --> 1:58:57.720 Paris in eight where it at first just seems like 1:58:57.840 --> 1:59:00.960 small groups of students and then you know, just a 1:59:01.000 --> 1:59:04.680 few days and weeks later, you know, there's thousands and 1:59:04.720 --> 1:59:08.560 thousands and thousands and thousands of workers, um, you know, 1:59:08.600 --> 1:59:13.200 who are out literally just pulling out cobblestones from the street, 1:59:13.360 --> 1:59:16.280 you know, up against the police. And and the way 1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:19.560 that these things happen is very unpredictable. And I think 1:59:19.600 --> 1:59:22.480 that's also a very important thing to keep in mind 1:59:22.800 --> 1:59:26.160 as we're trying to evaluate, you know, what we're doing 1:59:26.200 --> 1:59:29.160 in a given moment. Yeah, I think I think I 1:59:29.160 --> 1:59:31.400 think that's that's that's a very good note to end on. 1:59:31.640 --> 1:59:35.720 It's you know, every the the struggle we have embarked 1:59:35.720 --> 1:59:38.520 in is an incredibly difficult one, and we're not going 1:59:38.600 --> 1:59:43.280 to know how it ends for a long long time. 1:59:44.080 --> 1:59:46.600 But that doesn't Yeah, you know, that doesn't necessarily means 1:59:46.600 --> 1:59:48.880 it ends badly. And the kind of resiliency we can 1:59:48.920 --> 1:59:53.040 build is incredibly deep and incredibly powerful. Okay, plugs time, 1:59:53.200 --> 1:59:55.360 Where do you too want people to go? What do 1:59:55.400 --> 1:59:57.960 you want people to know? And yeah, we can we 1:59:57.960 --> 1:59:59.920 can link stuff if you want to send it to 2:00:00.040 --> 2:00:04.360 us in the in the in the chat chat we can. 2:00:04.400 --> 2:00:06.400 We can, we can link stuff. We can, we can, 2:00:06.840 --> 2:00:09.600 we can link stuff. In the description of this episode, 2:00:09.600 --> 2:00:17.240 this is why we have editors think yeah, UM, I 2:00:17.280 --> 2:00:21.400 think definitely. Like our social media so Twitter and Instagram 2:00:21.480 --> 2:00:24.280 is see Humanity, see UM for folks to be able 2:00:24.320 --> 2:00:28.360 to donate UM, to visit our website, to be able 2:00:28.400 --> 2:00:30.240 to plug in. If they are in the Bay area 2:00:30.320 --> 2:00:32.680 and want to get involved, they can find ways to 2:00:32.720 --> 2:00:35.240 do that through those social media channels. You know, they 2:00:35.280 --> 2:00:38.080 can message us UM and then our fundraiser a bar. 2:00:38.160 --> 2:00:39.800 I don't know if we should just send the link 2:00:39.920 --> 2:00:41.560 or what The best way to do that is if 2:00:41.560 --> 2:00:44.320 you go to a common Humanity collective dot org, there's 2:00:44.360 --> 2:00:46.960 a donate button which leads to the fundraisers. You can 2:00:47.000 --> 2:00:48.760 find it. Also also if you if you go there, 2:00:48.800 --> 2:00:50.800 you can see how they you can see instructions how 2:00:50.800 --> 2:00:53.560 to make the fans and they are so cool, like 2:00:53.640 --> 2:00:57.440 they're awesome, it's it's sweet, it's so go do go 2:00:57.560 --> 2:01:00.000 do that too because it's sick. And there's also instructions 2:01:00.080 --> 2:01:03.120 or how you can make them as well. And we 2:01:03.200 --> 2:01:05.960 hope people do this elsewhere. Please reach out to us. 2:01:06.120 --> 2:01:09.360 We want to not be the only ones doing and 2:01:09.600 --> 2:01:12.680 so this is why we've tried to just put everything 2:01:12.800 --> 2:01:15.240 online that others can replicate this model and this is 2:01:15.240 --> 2:01:17.680 why we're coming on a show like this and going 2:01:17.720 --> 2:01:21.240 into so much detail into our history just that uh, 2:01:21.320 --> 2:01:23.880 you know, we don't have to keep reinventing the wheel. 2:01:24.320 --> 2:01:26.560 I think, you know, a bar and I have learned 2:01:26.640 --> 2:01:29.120 so much from this project, UM, and a lot of 2:01:29.120 --> 2:01:31.360 it really did feel like reinventing the wheel, which is 2:01:31.400 --> 2:01:33.360 unfortunate because I know that, you know, mutual aid has 2:01:33.400 --> 2:01:36.320 been done elsewhere, but with the organizers that we were 2:01:36.360 --> 2:01:38.320 talking to, a lot of the things that we were doing, 2:01:38.360 --> 2:01:40.920 we were having to kind of start from scratch. And 2:01:41.120 --> 2:01:44.080 at least my goal is like we're both very accessible people, 2:01:44.240 --> 2:01:46.320 like if there are questions, you know, to be able 2:01:46.360 --> 2:01:49.000 to reach out so that we can you know, explain 2:01:49.040 --> 2:01:51.880 our experience to other folks, UM and talk through you know. 2:01:52.120 --> 2:01:54.680 Our relationship with Sunrise started because they heard about the 2:01:54.720 --> 2:01:56.640 mutual aid work that we were doing and they said 2:01:56.680 --> 2:01:58.600 we want to do that also, and we're like great, 2:01:58.840 --> 2:02:00.880 and you know a bra are co organizer, Joe and 2:02:00.920 --> 2:02:03.760 I and this woman from Sunrise met in a park 2:02:03.920 --> 2:02:07.600 and eat dinner and just talked about music late, you know, 2:02:07.640 --> 2:02:09.960 the pitfalls that had happened and what went well and 2:02:10.000 --> 2:02:11.600 how we could do it in the future and then 2:02:11.880 --> 2:02:14.960 like this beautiful collaboration began like a bar was talking 2:02:15.000 --> 2:02:17.760 about so um, I think you know, we're really happy 2:02:17.800 --> 2:02:20.280 to talk about where things have gone awry and what 2:02:20.360 --> 2:02:23.160 we've learned from this project and thankfully at this point 2:02:23.160 --> 2:02:28.040 to like what successes we've had. So yeah, go go everyone, 2:02:28.880 --> 2:02:31.640 go go go go find them, go out of your communities, 2:02:31.680 --> 2:02:35.240 go do this theirselves, and yeah, go go go get 2:02:35.320 --> 2:02:40.080 us another Spanish revolution. We need another one. Yeah, thank you, 2:02:40.120 --> 2:02:41.960 thank thank you to you so much for joining us. 2:02:42.960 --> 2:02:46.879 I sagreat Chris. This has been such an huge pleasure 2:02:46.880 --> 2:02:50.040 for talking to you. We've we've been covered by a 2:02:50.120 --> 2:02:53.360 lot of places, but never quite like Yeah, just thank 2:02:53.360 --> 2:02:55.480 you so much for doing this, and thank you. Yeah, 2:02:55.560 --> 2:02:57.400 such an honor to be here and so much fun 2:02:57.440 --> 2:02:59.160 to talk with you both. Thank you so much for 2:02:59.160 --> 2:03:02.680 having us. Yeah. Yeah, so this this has been it 2:03:02.720 --> 2:03:05.600 could Happen Here pod. 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I'm tig Torres and this is Lethal Lit. 2:05:58.200 --> 2:06:00.320 Catch up on season one of the hit Mr Story 2:06:00.360 --> 2:06:03.240 podcast Leave the Lit a take Tara's mystery out now, 2:06:03.480 --> 2:06:05.800 and then tune in for all new thrills in season two, 2:06:06.040 --> 2:06:09.360 dropping weekly starting February nine. Subscribe now to never miss 2:06:09.360 --> 2:06:11.480 an episode. Listen to Leave the Lit on the I 2:06:11.520 --> 2:06:14.800 Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 2:06:21.680 --> 2:06:30.520 What's critical my race Theories? UM? Well, all right, that's 2:06:30.520 --> 2:06:32.880 not a great introduction, but it's not a great time 2:06:32.920 --> 2:06:36.000 in America. I'm Robert Evans. This is it could happen 2:06:36.080 --> 2:06:41.080 here with me tonight as often but not always is 2:06:41.920 --> 2:06:46.320 Garrison Davis uh and our good friend Christopher Wong Uh. 2:06:46.400 --> 2:06:50.560 We're here to talk about UM a bunch of stuff. Largely, 2:06:50.760 --> 2:06:55.720 we're talking about the increasing and escalating attacks on school 2:06:55.720 --> 2:06:58.960 boards and attempts to take over and dominate school boards 2:06:59.440 --> 2:07:02.560 by far right activists. And a lot of this is 2:07:02.600 --> 2:07:04.680 centered around critical race theory, a lot of it centered 2:07:04.720 --> 2:07:07.800 around vaccine mandates. It all kind of blends together like 2:07:07.920 --> 2:07:12.960 a good gumbo um or like fascist syncretism. UM. One 2:07:12.960 --> 2:07:15.120 of the things that I would say, that's that's kind 2:07:15.120 --> 2:07:18.640 of most relevant right now as we're recording this. I 2:07:18.640 --> 2:07:20.680 don't think the race has been officially called. But it's 2:07:20.720 --> 2:07:26.400 become an increasingly obvious that UH Terry mccauliffe has lost 2:07:26.440 --> 2:07:30.040 his re election bid and the uh new governor of 2:07:30.160 --> 2:07:34.560 Virginia will be a Republican who, among other things, as 2:07:34.600 --> 2:07:37.000 like promised and based a huge amount of his campaign 2:07:37.080 --> 2:07:40.240 on banning critical race theory and specifically like banning books 2:07:40.240 --> 2:07:44.560 and ship from being taught in Virginia schools. UM. And 2:07:45.040 --> 2:07:49.240 this is all the result of a pretty far reaching 2:07:49.680 --> 2:07:54.520 UM and and complex and honestly pretty pretty scary campaign. 2:07:54.520 --> 2:07:56.440 And we're gonna talk about that tonight, Garrison. Do you 2:07:56.440 --> 2:07:59.600 wanna do you wanna take it from here? Yeah? Yeah, 2:07:59.600 --> 2:08:01.400 I'll do it little bit, then we can move over 2:08:01.520 --> 2:08:08.280 to telegram. But yeah, so this is your drum solo time. Yeah. 2:08:08.360 --> 2:08:10.440 We we decided we needed to do an episode on 2:08:10.480 --> 2:08:14.400 this scen and later when a few weeks ago a 2:08:14.480 --> 2:08:18.000 large number of of of anti vacts and anti mask 2:08:18.120 --> 2:08:23.480 protesters UM took over a school board meeting in UH Portland. 2:08:23.560 --> 2:08:25.000 And the reason why that is special in it of 2:08:25.040 --> 2:08:26.800 itself because this has been happening across the country for 2:08:26.800 --> 2:08:29.320 a long time. But that but the fact that they 2:08:29.360 --> 2:08:31.760 were able to overwhelm and shut down an entire school 2:08:31.760 --> 2:08:34.520 board meeting with hundreds of people, like invading this building, 2:08:34.880 --> 2:08:37.040 um and shutting this down with just the essurement of 2:08:37.120 --> 2:08:40.320 like power that the people had there was it was 2:08:40.960 --> 2:08:45.280 it's notable because it's like it's it's a liberal ish city, right, 2:08:45.280 --> 2:08:48.120 It's that's generally how people view it as. And you know, 2:08:48.200 --> 2:08:50.440 we're used to this happening, you know, more like southern 2:08:50.480 --> 2:08:54.000 states and states that are more like overwhelmingly conservative. But 2:08:54.040 --> 2:08:56.360 when like a Portland school board meet to get shut down, 2:08:56.400 --> 2:09:00.320 people were like, oh wow, this is like extra important 2:09:00.400 --> 2:09:03.920 because this is showing that it's not this isn't isolated 2:09:04.240 --> 2:09:07.240 to like quote unquote red states, right, this can this 2:09:07.320 --> 2:09:10.600 can spread out everywhere now, you know. With Portland it 2:09:10.680 --> 2:09:14.560 was it was a mix of like hippie types who 2:09:14.640 --> 2:09:17.000 are like anti vax but there was a good deal 2:09:17.040 --> 2:09:19.520 of like actual proud boys there as well. Yes, And 2:09:19.600 --> 2:09:23.400 it was partly organized through an organization run by the 2:09:23.400 --> 2:09:26.040 Bundies UM and there were some direct ties and they 2:09:26.120 --> 2:09:29.600 helped to advertise it. So it's there's a lot of um. 2:09:29.640 --> 2:09:31.840 I mean, one of the things that was so unsettling 2:09:31.920 --> 2:09:35.200 is that a lot of these people were not Portland's residents, 2:09:35.600 --> 2:09:38.040 but they were showing up and we're able to effectively 2:09:38.120 --> 2:09:41.040 like take over and dominate a Portland's school board meeting 2:09:41.680 --> 2:09:45.440 um in part because law enforcement is never ever willing 2:09:45.480 --> 2:09:47.840 to do anything against There's there's a there's a lot 2:09:47.840 --> 2:09:50.760 of a lot of points here, so like, yeah, one 2:09:50.760 --> 2:09:53.000 of it being is like these like these big mobs 2:09:53.000 --> 2:09:56.040 are definitely able to benefit from being you know, white, 2:09:56.160 --> 2:09:59.320 mostly middle class like parents and stuff, or maybe not 2:09:59.440 --> 2:10:02.360 maybe not not even parents. They're gonna be white, middle class, um, 2:10:02.480 --> 2:10:04.720 which means they can like storm buildings and shut stuff 2:10:04.720 --> 2:10:08.480 down without any real consequence because police aren't police and 2:10:08.480 --> 2:10:10.920 security aren't really going to get involved that much, and 2:10:11.120 --> 2:10:13.760 the like the Libs are not gonna like really be 2:10:13.840 --> 2:10:16.960 pushing back on this in any kind of me They'll 2:10:17.000 --> 2:10:19.280 just make fun of these people if they misspell something 2:10:19.280 --> 2:10:22.760 on a sign. Yeah. So, like basically the idea for 2:10:22.760 --> 2:10:25.320 this episode as we want to talk about why and 2:10:25.480 --> 2:10:28.560 how school boards have become kind of the new front 2:10:28.600 --> 2:10:33.360 lines for pushing far right stuff into the culturals, like guys, 2:10:33.440 --> 2:10:36.800 because they've really become the new the new, the new 2:10:37.160 --> 2:10:41.640 like space that people on the right are able to 2:10:41.760 --> 2:10:44.680 push things that are that are more that are more 2:10:44.680 --> 2:10:47.240 extreme and push things that are gonna you know, hurt 2:10:47.640 --> 2:10:53.040 you know kids mostly m hm. So looking for this, 2:10:53.160 --> 2:10:56.560 we put together a decent amount of stuff from organizing 2:10:56.640 --> 2:10:58.920 chats for how basically the right is talking about these 2:10:58.920 --> 2:11:01.240 things and how they're trying to organize it. UM. And 2:11:01.320 --> 2:11:03.680 one really interesting kind of thing of not which will 2:11:03.720 --> 2:11:06.440 come up later in the telegram stuff is that in 2:11:06.800 --> 2:11:12.640 I think it was when was it it was late September, UM, 2:11:12.720 --> 2:11:15.920 the National school Boards associations like the National school Board 2:11:16.200 --> 2:11:19.920 Union UM put in a request for federal assistance to 2:11:20.000 --> 2:11:23.800 stop ongoing threats and acts of violence against UH school 2:11:23.800 --> 2:11:27.040 boards like meeting members and people president at school boards 2:11:27.040 --> 2:11:29.840 because this has been ramping up. You know this that 2:11:29.960 --> 2:11:32.200 this was happening the last last school season as well, 2:11:32.360 --> 2:11:36.360 but really the past few months, the the prevalence and 2:11:36.560 --> 2:11:40.680 the number of these types of like mobs bas overtaking 2:11:40.680 --> 2:11:44.040 these school boards has become so much more common UM 2:11:44.080 --> 2:11:46.600 that the school Board Union put in, like sent like 2:11:46.600 --> 2:11:49.600 a letter directly to the president saying, hey, we kind 2:11:49.640 --> 2:11:52.720 of need help here. UM. So it's it's not just 2:11:53.120 --> 2:11:57.040 it's this is this is a problem that's recognized widely, 2:11:57.120 --> 2:11:59.480 even among people like on school boards, because yeah, they're 2:11:59.520 --> 2:12:03.200 getting carasped, they're getting death threats. Um. This is becoming 2:12:03.280 --> 2:12:07.120 like unsafe to hold school board meetings. Um. And whether 2:12:07.200 --> 2:12:09.160 or not you like our modern school system or not, 2:12:09.440 --> 2:12:11.840 the resulting effect of this is that it's going to 2:12:11.920 --> 2:12:15.920 be hurting like kids. Like, Like it's a good whether 2:12:15.960 --> 2:12:18.760 it be through like COVID, whether it be through teaching 2:12:18.800 --> 2:12:22.760 them racist like curriculums, or whether it be to you know, 2:12:23.200 --> 2:12:26.320 making trans kids have make their lives a whole lot harder. Right, 2:12:26.440 --> 2:12:28.760 all of this kind of stuff is gonna be worse 2:12:28.840 --> 2:12:32.360 by this happening. So it is something definitely worth caring about. Yeah, 2:12:32.640 --> 2:12:36.800 it's worth caring about all. Like, it's clearly an attempt 2:12:37.200 --> 2:12:42.680 in order to to to arrest the kind of progressive 2:12:42.720 --> 2:12:45.400 tilt that that society has gone through. All of this 2:12:45.440 --> 2:12:49.120 is a reaction both too. I mean, the religious right 2:12:49.160 --> 2:12:52.400 was initially, more than anything, a reaction to desegregation and 2:12:52.480 --> 2:12:55.760 the women's liberation movement. Um. And what we're seeing now 2:12:55.840 --> 2:12:59.280 is a reaction to primarily the gains that LGBT people 2:12:59.280 --> 2:13:01.320 have made in the lad us like twenty years, including 2:13:01.640 --> 2:13:05.600 the legalization of gay marriage, um. And so the ultimate 2:13:05.720 --> 2:13:09.160 goal of all of this is to stop progress towards 2:13:09.480 --> 2:13:14.160 racial justice, to roll back gay rights, UM, to enshrine 2:13:14.280 --> 2:13:18.800 white supremacy using violence. And that's why, that's why all 2:13:18.840 --> 2:13:21.360 of these different school board meetings, like the the threat 2:13:21.400 --> 2:13:25.480 of violence from these people is a constant factor. Um. 2:13:25.520 --> 2:13:28.120 There's regular discussion of it. There's like, I mean, that's 2:13:28.120 --> 2:13:30.960 why the Proud Boys are showing up. Is to be 2:13:31.120 --> 2:13:34.320 a of like is to be a death squad. Um, 2:13:34.400 --> 2:13:36.560 you know, a little precursor death squad. They're not quite 2:13:36.600 --> 2:13:39.920 willing to start start pulling triggers yet, but they want 2:13:39.960 --> 2:13:42.040 people to know that it's possible. They want to scare 2:13:42.080 --> 2:13:46.080 people away from getting involved in local politics unless they 2:13:46.120 --> 2:13:49.480 adhere to a very specific far right political ideas. It's 2:13:49.480 --> 2:13:51.160 working because a lot of these school boards are getting 2:13:51.200 --> 2:13:52.960 these school meanings are just getting shut down, like they 2:13:53.000 --> 2:13:55.400 just can't have them in person or sometimes not at 2:13:55.400 --> 2:13:57.240 all because they'll just they'll like zoom bam. Like it's 2:13:57.240 --> 2:14:00.400 not like they're just shutting down so they cannot place 2:14:00.520 --> 2:14:02.360 or at school by members are afraid to go out 2:14:02.400 --> 2:14:07.400 in public because these people are are going to hurt them. Um. 2:14:07.440 --> 2:14:11.040 And this is like a lot of people involved in 2:14:11.080 --> 2:14:14.320 this are maybe not themselves like proud boys like they 2:14:14.360 --> 2:14:17.800 they're they're they're they're not super like they're individually, are 2:14:17.960 --> 2:14:21.080 more kind of regular Republicans in these states. But the 2:14:21.120 --> 2:14:23.480 reason why it gets so extreme and it accelted so 2:14:23.560 --> 2:14:27.120 quickly is mostly because of how these organizing efforts take place, 2:14:27.160 --> 2:14:29.080 and also because of stuff like Fox News and news 2:14:29.080 --> 2:14:31.080 Max and on it and O A n like pushing 2:14:31.120 --> 2:14:32.920 people further right in the past few years, but like 2:14:33.120 --> 2:14:36.320 specifically the method of organizing on apps like Telegram and 2:14:36.320 --> 2:14:39.200 Facebook groups. This this is, this is the thing common 2:14:39.200 --> 2:14:43.720 on the Internet, but like it rewards accelerationism, it rewards 2:14:43.720 --> 2:14:45.600 the most extreme takes. Those are ones to get shared 2:14:45.600 --> 2:14:48.000 the most. So even if you know this is just 2:14:48.160 --> 2:14:51.920 some mom and her forties who's not a proud boy 2:14:52.080 --> 2:14:55.760 by any means she's she still poses a threat in 2:14:55.800 --> 2:14:58.720 this in this way because she's who boosting this same 2:14:58.800 --> 2:15:01.880 rhetoric and as part of these same organizing channels that 2:15:01.960 --> 2:15:06.480 are full of like actual fascists. Uh. There's a decent 2:15:06.480 --> 2:15:09.600 amount of very popular posts from very popular channels I 2:15:10.080 --> 2:15:13.360 pulled that talks about the Jews and the school boards 2:15:13.400 --> 2:15:16.560 and we'll we'll get to that kind of stuff shortly. Um. 2:15:16.640 --> 2:15:22.360 So there, Robert, do you wanna start on the telegram 2:15:22.640 --> 2:15:26.920 with the whole the whole school board Telegram channel that 2:15:27.040 --> 2:15:29.400 is popped up by no means the most popular Telegram 2:15:29.480 --> 2:15:32.680 channel for organizing, but it is specifically dedicated to school boards. 2:15:32.920 --> 2:15:35.440 Because of how Telegram works, this channel gets shared around 2:15:35.480 --> 2:15:38.800 a lot in other much bigger channels. Yeah, and and 2:15:38.840 --> 2:15:40.920 just so you know, So the way Telegram works, if 2:15:40.920 --> 2:15:45.000 you're a decent person, um, and you don't live in 2:15:45.080 --> 2:15:48.320 a country where Telegram is a legitimately good choice for you, 2:15:48.320 --> 2:15:50.960 there's some areas where it's perfectly normal social media network, 2:15:51.040 --> 2:15:53.320 but for the most part in the United States it's 2:15:53.400 --> 2:15:57.320 used by fascists and weirdos. Um. So, if you're fortunate 2:15:57.440 --> 2:15:59.760 enough to not use Telegram, the way it works is 2:15:59.760 --> 2:16:03.280 you have open groups and closed groups. Open groups are 2:16:03.440 --> 2:16:06.680 anyone can view them, Uh, you don't expose yourself by 2:16:06.720 --> 2:16:11.400 looking at them, and people largely just kind of post images, memes, 2:16:11.520 --> 2:16:13.960 videos and then can comment on them. And a lot 2:16:14.000 --> 2:16:16.520 of what's posted in any given Telegram channel is shared 2:16:16.560 --> 2:16:19.480 from another Telegram channel. So for people like Garrison and 2:16:19.520 --> 2:16:22.520 I who research extremism. One of the uses of telegram 2:16:22.640 --> 2:16:25.440 is that by looking at what's being shared in one 2:16:25.480 --> 2:16:27.600 group from other groups, you can actually start to build 2:16:27.600 --> 2:16:30.960 networks and see, oh, there's affinity between these two groups, 2:16:31.000 --> 2:16:34.959 because this group may claim that they're just concerned conservatives, 2:16:34.959 --> 2:16:38.040 but they're sharing all of this all of this content 2:16:38.120 --> 2:16:40.360 from this far right, you know, PEP a group that's 2:16:40.360 --> 2:16:42.920 also sharing a lot of neo Nazi content, and you 2:16:42.959 --> 2:16:45.360 can see there's a lot of affinity between the other 2:16:45.400 --> 2:16:47.880 thing that happens is that these channels that are getting 2:16:47.879 --> 2:16:50.000 big and being you and you are being used for 2:16:50.040 --> 2:16:52.680 this kind of like right wing organizing who present themselves 2:16:52.760 --> 2:16:55.960 as more just like regular conservative channels. If you I've 2:16:55.959 --> 2:16:58.480 been in this channel for like years at this point, 2:16:58.680 --> 2:17:01.600 and this channel used to be a like Proud Boy channel. 2:17:01.640 --> 2:17:04.480 They just changed their name. Like It's like that happens 2:17:04.600 --> 2:17:06.480 all the time, where a lot of the big organizing 2:17:06.560 --> 2:17:10.280 channels used to be like openly violent organizing, like for 2:17:10.480 --> 2:17:13.440 different mobs to go beat up people, and now they've 2:17:13.840 --> 2:17:17.440 rebranded to make them appeal more to like just regular 2:17:17.480 --> 2:17:20.240 Trump voters. That is the other thing that happens all 2:17:20.280 --> 2:17:21.879 the time, and one of the main channels that we're 2:17:21.920 --> 2:17:25.240 talking about today is one of these one of these 2:17:25.280 --> 2:17:27.080 channels that used to be a proud boy thing and 2:17:27.200 --> 2:17:30.760 is now just kind of right wing organizing a general Yeah, 2:17:30.840 --> 2:17:32.520 and it's um, I don't know, I'm just gonna get 2:17:32.560 --> 2:17:35.040 into it. So actually, you know what I'm going to 2:17:35.120 --> 2:17:39.560 get into before I start talking about fascists on telegram 2:17:39.600 --> 2:17:43.360 trying to destroy the concept of democracy. You know what 2:17:43.440 --> 2:17:47.240 else is trying to destroy the concept of democracy. That's right, Chris, 2:17:47.640 --> 2:17:51.560 products and services, that's right. Oh my god, we are 2:17:51.680 --> 2:17:54.640 just having a great time here. So let's talk about 2:17:54.680 --> 2:17:58.400 Stand for Students, which is a telegram channel that Garrison 2:17:58.440 --> 2:18:00.840 pointed out to me. And I spent more time than 2:18:00.879 --> 2:18:04.520 I really wanted to. Yeah, that's never, never, never a 2:18:04.560 --> 2:18:07.680 good idea. So the stuff in here, this is number one, 2:18:07.840 --> 2:18:10.039 on the surface, a much more moderate group. These people 2:18:10.080 --> 2:18:13.600 are not ranting about like Jews destroying civilization or the 2:18:13.680 --> 2:18:20.240 need to like execute uh black people or something like that. Um, 2:18:20.800 --> 2:18:22.680 the stuff in here runs the gamut from like one 2:18:22.720 --> 2:18:25.240 of the first things I found was a clip from 2:18:25.959 --> 2:18:30.280 Jesse Ventura, wrestler, predator star and former governor once had 2:18:30.360 --> 2:18:33.440 a conspiracy TV show. There's a popular clip in anti 2:18:33.560 --> 2:18:37.400 vaccine circles from it where he's talking with Alex Jones 2:18:37.720 --> 2:18:39.760 about the Builderberg group and stuff. So I found that 2:18:39.840 --> 2:18:43.560 in there, which is like pretty garden variety, like early 2:18:43.600 --> 2:18:47.360 two thousands conspiracy nonsense. Definitely like, oh yeah, these are 2:18:47.480 --> 2:18:50.959 like older people, like I don't think mostly boomers, but 2:18:51.040 --> 2:18:53.320 definitely gen X and stuff, like folks who were in 2:18:53.400 --> 2:18:56.360 like their forties and fifties. Um, this is the kind 2:18:56.360 --> 2:18:58.520 of ship that they would have been like exposed to 2:18:58.600 --> 2:19:02.400 in their late twenties and whatnot. Um. One of the 2:19:02.400 --> 2:19:06.160 posters I found commenting on that video said, quote aired 2:19:06.200 --> 2:19:08.120 onto TV in two that's a nine about a plan 2:19:08.200 --> 2:19:11.440 for depopulation through a virus and injections. Too much of 2:19:11.440 --> 2:19:14.560 a coincidence, And another responded to this. I was never 2:19:14.600 --> 2:19:17.360 a huge Alex Jones fan, but he was right all along. 2:19:17.680 --> 2:19:19.720 My kids were born in the early eighties and I 2:19:19.760 --> 2:19:22.720 refused their vaxes way back then. Unfortunately, one of them 2:19:22.760 --> 2:19:25.280 is now a late thirties CNN jabbed zombie and has 2:19:25.320 --> 2:19:30.680 infected my grandkids with this inspiric experimental treatment. I'm done, um, 2:19:30.720 --> 2:19:34.760 which is silly, but it also keeps you and like, 2:19:34.879 --> 2:19:36.920 these are it's it's what you see a lot with 2:19:37.000 --> 2:19:39.680 Q and on right, it's these folks who are getting 2:19:39.760 --> 2:19:43.040 brought in onto telegraph. Yeah, it's great. It's terrible that 2:19:43.120 --> 2:19:45.840 this person, this lady who has to be what in 2:19:45.879 --> 2:19:51.160 her fifties sixties on my parents age, the boomer um 2:19:51.400 --> 2:19:55.039 is on telegram, which two years ago even was the 2:19:55.120 --> 2:19:58.600 only Americans you were would find were like extremely online 2:19:58.680 --> 2:20:02.800 nazi weirdos. Um. Yeah, I remember doing like old training 2:20:02.920 --> 2:20:05.440 is like, yeah, it was like over over two years ago, 2:20:05.480 --> 2:20:09.400 and Telegram was nowhere near this prevalm for like regular organizing. 2:20:10.040 --> 2:20:13.360 And this is a result of of the d platforming 2:20:13.400 --> 2:20:16.440 of folks in the wake of the capital attack. But anyway, 2:20:16.520 --> 2:20:18.280 we don't need to get too much into that right now. 2:20:18.720 --> 2:20:20.039 So I want to talk a little bit more about 2:20:20.080 --> 2:20:22.160 some of the things folks are sharing in this in 2:20:22.240 --> 2:20:24.560 this channel, which is again kind of like I'm gonna 2:20:24.560 --> 2:20:27.760 guess everyone here is kind of late thirties to maybe sixties, 2:20:27.800 --> 2:20:32.000 fifties sixties. There's one local story that it was actually 2:20:32.080 --> 2:20:34.480 very popular among a lot of like lefty folks on 2:20:34.480 --> 2:20:37.640 Twitter of this like group of dads who showed up 2:20:37.680 --> 2:20:39.720 to stop there's like an epidemic of fighting in their 2:20:39.760 --> 2:20:41.480 school or something, and they showed up to do like 2:20:41.520 --> 2:20:44.920 a community policing or a community self defense sort of thing. 2:20:45.320 --> 2:20:47.400 It was celebrated by a lot of folks because it 2:20:47.440 --> 2:20:49.560 was like, oh, hey, this is you know, a way 2:20:49.600 --> 2:20:52.440 that communities can protect themselves without cops, YadA, YadA YadA, 2:20:52.600 --> 2:20:54.680 which is a nice thing to see. It was also 2:20:54.760 --> 2:20:59.560 celebrated um by these people, um, by by people in 2:20:59.560 --> 2:21:02.600 this channel, and specifically the clip of the news story 2:21:02.640 --> 2:21:06.000 covering this I found was from the Pepe Lives Matter channel, 2:21:06.480 --> 2:21:11.160 which is, um, you know, an alt right channel like it. Again, 2:21:11.160 --> 2:21:13.800 as we were talking about earlier, the Pepe Lives isn't 2:21:13.800 --> 2:21:17.600 all like the way full Nazi pilled stuff, um, but 2:21:17.640 --> 2:21:19.760 it shares a lot of stuff from the channels that 2:21:19.800 --> 2:21:21.760 are straight up Nazis, And so you can you can 2:21:21.800 --> 2:21:25.640 see already this like lady in her sixties who's probably 2:21:25.640 --> 2:21:28.400 with some pretty normal boomer three years ago, is now 2:21:28.720 --> 2:21:32.560 two steps away from Adam often type motherfucker's that's just 2:21:32.600 --> 2:21:35.600 the way telegram works, um, and they're all kind of 2:21:35.640 --> 2:21:39.039 bonding over again, this is not a bad story what 2:21:39.120 --> 2:21:41.520 these local dads did, but it very much ties into 2:21:41.560 --> 2:21:44.440 this idea of like, we gotta get all these parents 2:21:44.480 --> 2:21:47.200 together and take action in the real world, like and 2:21:47.200 --> 2:21:49.800 that's gonna that's gonna go towards taking action against the 2:21:49.800 --> 2:21:51.959 people you don't want showing up in your school, meaning 2:21:52.000 --> 2:21:57.000 like black children and like children. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. 2:21:57.000 --> 2:22:00.840 Community self defense is great, but also it really depends 2:22:00.879 --> 2:22:05.280 on what community is defending itself from what. UM So 2:22:05.560 --> 2:22:08.120 that's uh, we'll probably we'll have to talk about that 2:22:08.160 --> 2:22:11.400 more at some point in the future. But yeah. Another 2:22:11.440 --> 2:22:14.000 thing I found on that channel was video this This 2:22:14.080 --> 2:22:16.760 I dug into a bit. So there was this video 2:22:17.240 --> 2:22:19.440 that was claimed to be an ad. It was, in 2:22:19.480 --> 2:22:22.680 fact an ad that Comcast had refused to air. UM 2:22:22.720 --> 2:22:26.080 and the video this, this unaired ad claimed that it 2:22:26.120 --> 2:22:28.560 was about. It was telling the story of a thirteen 2:22:28.640 --> 2:22:32.760 year old girl, Maddie de garay Um, who was vaccinated. 2:22:32.760 --> 2:22:35.920 She was part of a FASER trial and had, she claims, 2:22:35.920 --> 2:22:39.840 like a disastrously bad reaction. UM an ad about her 2:22:39.879 --> 2:22:43.680 situation was rejected by Comcast. UM and this girl like 2:22:43.760 --> 2:22:45.959 has done the whole right wing in her I'm I'm 2:22:46.000 --> 2:22:48.080 guessing her parents are the driver's done the whole right 2:22:48.080 --> 2:22:51.760 wing media kind of circuit at this point. Um, the 2:22:51.800 --> 2:22:54.160 fact that Comcast banned the ad is what the people 2:22:54.160 --> 2:22:57.040 in this telegram channel were yelling about. UM. And I 2:22:57.080 --> 2:23:00.440 want to actually quote from the an article about why 2:23:00.520 --> 2:23:03.320 Comcast rejected it, because it makes clear what's actually happening here. 2:23:03.720 --> 2:23:05.640 Comcast is said to have told the ads buyer it 2:23:05.680 --> 2:23:08.840 was rejected because it needed substantiation and all graphic images 2:23:08.879 --> 2:23:12.600 needed to be removed. Documents reportedly submitted for substantiation included 2:23:12.640 --> 2:23:14.720 the girls complete medical records, which are said to have 2:23:14.720 --> 2:23:18.320 outlined symptoms such as erratic blood pressure and pulse, muscle spasms, 2:23:18.400 --> 2:23:20.840 muscle tremors, headaches, brain fog, mixing up words, and the 2:23:20.840 --> 2:23:24.200 inability to walk and cough. Um. So you've got this 2:23:24.240 --> 2:23:27.560 case where number one there's graphic images, um, and number 2:23:27.560 --> 2:23:31.720 two there's documentations that this girl has symptoms, but there's 2:23:31.760 --> 2:23:34.400 not documentation that they're tied in any way to the vaccine, 2:23:34.400 --> 2:23:37.560 Like it's just one of these the Comcast is being 2:23:37.600 --> 2:23:44.560 careful to not spread unsubstantiated shit about vaccine reactions and stuff. Um. 2:23:44.600 --> 2:23:47.920 But within the telegram channel, the focus is entirely on 2:23:48.000 --> 2:23:51.640 like how this is evidence of this conspiracy there suppressing 2:23:52.000 --> 2:23:56.840 information suppressing information. Um. One response was why in Heaven's 2:23:56.920 --> 2:23:59.600 name don't these parents do their research before having their 2:23:59.680 --> 2:24:02.920 kids vaccinated. My heart goes out to the precious child 2:24:02.920 --> 2:24:05.600 and family. What a lesson to learn for so many parents. 2:24:05.879 --> 2:24:09.400 Never too late to educate yourselves people. Um. Also, I 2:24:09.400 --> 2:24:13.360 want to point it just that the spelling and they 2:24:13.520 --> 2:24:17.640 are incredible. There's an upsetting amount of emojis that. Yeah, honestly, 2:24:17.720 --> 2:24:21.120 I couldn't never never two with one oh late to 2:24:21.280 --> 2:24:26.320 educate your space selves. Uh, it's just again and now 2:24:26.360 --> 2:24:29.040 I'm doing the doing the thing. I'm doing the thing 2:24:29.520 --> 2:24:31.200 I tried not to. I did try to give it 2:24:31.240 --> 2:24:34.240 a straight read through. You can be challenging when it's 2:24:34.280 --> 2:24:37.640 like it's very funny content. It's it's very funny. Yeah, 2:24:37.680 --> 2:24:40.000 but but but I think you know this. This is 2:24:40.879 --> 2:24:42.480 this goes back to the who point about how this 2:24:42.520 --> 2:24:46.840 pradicalization works, right, which is, you know you have, especially 2:24:46.879 --> 2:24:49.920 with anti vax stuff that has this sort of larger 2:24:50.000 --> 2:24:54.199 base from just like regular peer like hard right nazi stuff. 2:24:55.120 --> 2:24:58.920 You get to see people who you know otherwise probably 2:24:58.959 --> 2:25:01.320 would be a vaguely normal and very very quickly get 2:25:01.400 --> 2:25:02.800 all this stuff and very quickly just go off the 2:25:02.840 --> 2:25:06.720 deep end. They're not. Yeah, it's these It is it's 2:25:06.760 --> 2:25:09.039 hard to like say, like, these are all extremists because 2:25:09.040 --> 2:25:11.720 like they are themselves aren't extremists. There's surrounded by so 2:25:11.800 --> 2:25:14.879 much content that is made by extremists that it's making 2:25:14.920 --> 2:25:16.680 them do these things, which is how which is how 2:25:16.760 --> 2:25:19.800 extremism works, right, But it's it's challenging because like when 2:25:19.840 --> 2:25:21.360 you try to explain this to someone, you're like, no, 2:25:21.440 --> 2:25:24.160 this is obviously just like a regular grandma or something, right, 2:25:24.480 --> 2:25:26.320 And it's hard to explain to them how fast this 2:25:26.360 --> 2:25:28.520 thing can move to the point where they're showing up 2:25:28.520 --> 2:25:31.320 at a school board with their grand children yelling at 2:25:31.400 --> 2:25:34.160 like teachers and stuff. Yeah, and it's not that this 2:25:34.240 --> 2:25:37.600 lady is a Nazi. It's that this lady can be, 2:25:37.720 --> 2:25:40.720 through the process you just outlined, convinced to stand up 2:25:41.160 --> 2:25:46.000 next to a Nazi and like, uh, defend his his 2:25:46.160 --> 2:25:48.760 right to do violence to people she has been convinced 2:25:48.840 --> 2:25:52.400 are president a threat to the lives of her her grandchildren, 2:25:53.000 --> 2:25:56.039 which is people may say like the whole like, oh, 2:25:56.080 --> 2:25:58.280 it's not worth parsing out that much if you're standing 2:25:58.320 --> 2:25:59.840 next to a Nazi or a Nazi, But like I 2:26:00.000 --> 2:26:03.959 would argue, no, what's actually the logistics of what is 2:26:04.000 --> 2:26:07.280 happening here are much more dangerous than a grandma got 2:26:07.400 --> 2:26:12.120 radicalized into national socialism. Anyway, another meme I found it 2:26:12.240 --> 2:26:15.840 was a screen grab from fucking um Shawshank Redemption with 2:26:16.280 --> 2:26:18.840 Morgan Freeman and I don't know whatever one of the 2:26:18.840 --> 2:26:21.760 white dudes in that movie in prison jumpsuits sitting next 2:26:21.800 --> 2:26:23.800 to each other, and it's the text on it is 2:26:23.800 --> 2:26:25.720 what are you in for? I spoke of at a 2:26:25.720 --> 2:26:28.000 school board meeting, which you she see a lot of 2:26:28.040 --> 2:26:30.360 stuff like this, this idea that they're going to jail, 2:26:30.360 --> 2:26:32.560 they're going to get rated by the FBI because they're 2:26:32.600 --> 2:26:36.640 like showing up at school boards to protest vaccine mandates 2:26:36.640 --> 2:26:40.800 and mask mandates. Um. And then like in the middle 2:26:40.840 --> 2:26:43.680 of all this stuff mostly talking about like anti vac shit, 2:26:43.879 --> 2:26:48.280 there's also this post talking about how this post that's 2:26:48.320 --> 2:26:51.560 a video of a woman at a school board talking 2:26:51.560 --> 2:26:54.440 about how a book needed to be banned and she's 2:26:54.480 --> 2:26:57.920 reading the book she's reading is a queer memoir. Um. 2:26:58.120 --> 2:27:00.760 And I'll talk about this more are at the end, 2:27:00.800 --> 2:27:02.640 but you can definitely mention it here because it gets 2:27:02.720 --> 2:27:04.840 up a lot it's it's a gay it's a gay 2:27:04.879 --> 2:27:06.800 coming of age story, right, And as a result, there's 2:27:06.800 --> 2:27:10.320 a couple of semi graphic scenes in it, and she 2:27:10.480 --> 2:27:12.000 like gets up in front of the school board and 2:27:12.040 --> 2:27:15.640 reads this and argues that it's basically like pornography their children. 2:27:15.840 --> 2:27:19.280 They think it's child pornography. Yeah, that's what they're marching 2:27:20.000 --> 2:27:22.920 mistaken what child pornography is. They're trying to they're trying 2:27:22.959 --> 2:27:24.680 to get all the people at the school board either 2:27:24.760 --> 2:27:28.039 killed or arrested over this. That is that is their goal. 2:27:28.160 --> 2:27:30.240 And I'll talk about this specific instance later because it 2:27:30.360 --> 2:27:32.560 keeps coming up with all of these channels, and it's 2:27:32.600 --> 2:27:35.280 one of the main things that links someone from like 2:27:35.280 --> 2:27:37.320 a sodden red channel to a channel like this. This 2:27:37.400 --> 2:27:39.080 is like one of the main things they've been using 2:27:39.120 --> 2:27:41.200 the past few weeks as this is the current, this 2:27:41.280 --> 2:27:43.480 is like the past, and and this is this though, 2:27:43.520 --> 2:27:45.320 has been going on for a while. You've seen a 2:27:45.320 --> 2:27:47.200 lot of like a libertarian right wing, a lot of 2:27:47.200 --> 2:27:50.200 like kill your local pedophile shirts because who's gonna a 2:27:50.240 --> 2:27:52.200 lot most people don't think, like who's going to defend 2:27:52.200 --> 2:27:56.720 a pedophile pedophiles? Yeah, the proud boy at the Portland 2:27:56.760 --> 2:27:59.160 School Board who was standing and ready to fight the 2:27:59.440 --> 2:28:01.520 ready to fight scurity guards and stuff. He was wearing 2:28:01.560 --> 2:28:05.000 a kill your local pedophile. Uh, it's this is this 2:28:05.040 --> 2:28:06.080 is the thing. This is the thing the right wing 2:28:06.160 --> 2:28:07.560 figured out. And if they figured this out a long 2:28:07.560 --> 2:28:10.240 time ago, which is that Okay, if if you want 2:28:10.400 --> 2:28:13.560 to get a bunch of people who are vaguely normal 2:28:13.920 --> 2:28:17.160 to do like absolutely horrible violence, the way you do 2:28:17.240 --> 2:28:19.680 it is to tell them that they're threatening kids and 2:28:19.800 --> 2:28:25.160 it doesn't matter what work. So well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:28:25.240 --> 2:28:28.000 and you know, and this once and once you've convinced 2:28:28.320 --> 2:28:30.240 you know, like this, this is this is just a 2:28:30.320 --> 2:28:32.119 very I think a very important thing about media messaging 2:28:32.120 --> 2:28:35.640 in general is that the literally the instant someone says 2:28:35.680 --> 2:28:38.600 think of the children, you need to stop and you 2:28:38.640 --> 2:28:45.080 need to disregard everything they're about to say after that. Yeah, 2:28:45.160 --> 2:28:49.560 like of the time that person is like about to 2:28:49.640 --> 2:28:52.320 try to convince you that like you need to like 2:28:52.400 --> 2:28:53.959 we need to murder the gauge or something like that. 2:28:54.000 --> 2:28:57.040 Like That's that. That's the thing that follows from I 2:28:57.040 --> 2:29:01.160 feel confident saying no one has ever advocated thinking of 2:29:01.240 --> 2:29:03.760 the children and meant anything, But I want to kill 2:29:03.879 --> 2:29:08.720 this specific group of people. Um, just like I that's 2:29:08.760 --> 2:29:12.680 not even really hyperbole. It's it's a a trite and 2:29:12.720 --> 2:29:15.320 true organizing tactic for these people. And it's part of 2:29:15.320 --> 2:29:19.320 the reason why, like the famous white nationalist catchphrase is 2:29:19.360 --> 2:29:22.360 focused around, we need to secure a future for white children, right, Like, 2:29:22.400 --> 2:29:24.920 that's what they're always talking about with all of this 2:29:25.080 --> 2:29:28.560 ship and it's it's about being able to demonize a 2:29:28.600 --> 2:29:30.400 group in a way that they can't be defended. It's 2:29:30.400 --> 2:29:33.680 about ending any sort of debate or conversation, and it's 2:29:33.720 --> 2:29:39.600 about justifying thoughtless violence because it's you're protecting children. Um. 2:29:39.720 --> 2:29:42.760 You know who else protects children, Robert definitely not the 2:29:42.800 --> 2:29:46.640 advertisers of this show, um, because we are sponsored by 2:29:47.080 --> 2:29:51.280 raytheon brand. School bus seeking missiles the only missiles that 2:29:51.400 --> 2:29:54.720 only seek school buses. You cannot shoot them at a tank, 2:29:54.760 --> 2:29:57.000 at a at a technical at a at a terrorist 2:29:57.280 --> 2:29:59.880 training camp. They go right for school buses no matter 2:30:00.000 --> 2:30:01.560 where you aim them. So in that way, there are 2:30:01.560 --> 2:30:03.640 a fire and forget kind of weapon as long as 2:30:03.959 --> 2:30:07.039 you're willing to forget anything but hitting a child's school 2:30:07.080 --> 2:30:09.400 bus with a with a missile. Okay, here's here's the 2:30:09.959 --> 2:30:13.200 check it out. All right, well we're back still talking 2:30:13.240 --> 2:30:17.240 about this. Uh so last segment for this episode. As 2:30:17.240 --> 2:30:19.400 we as we as I was talking about, there's a 2:30:19.440 --> 2:30:22.039 post and in the post is a video of a 2:30:22.040 --> 2:30:24.360 woman from a different school board meeting reading out a 2:30:24.440 --> 2:30:28.480 graphics graphic ish sex scene from this queer memoir and 2:30:28.879 --> 2:30:34.400 ranting about how it's it's child pornography. Comments include fucking 2:30:34.400 --> 2:30:38.920 monsters running these schools, satanic and disgusting an elementary school. Unreal. 2:30:39.560 --> 2:30:42.680 Why aren't charges brought against the school for distributing pornography 2:30:42.720 --> 2:30:47.600 to minors? It's not even read they can It's just 2:30:47.640 --> 2:30:52.280 available from some other library, like because you can request 2:30:52.280 --> 2:30:55.720 a lot of books at libraries in all caps. Where's 2:30:55.720 --> 2:30:58.560 the sheriffs? Where are the city, county, state and federal 2:30:58.600 --> 2:31:03.120 task forces? And uh yeah, it's I'll talk about this 2:31:03.240 --> 2:31:06.520 more in the next episode. Tied to the overarching anti 2:31:06.840 --> 2:31:11.240 anti queer, anti trans, anti gay school board side of things, 2:31:11.600 --> 2:31:13.440 and of course other things I found there's like video 2:31:13.480 --> 2:31:17.359 of them celebrating capital rioters, celebrating Josh Holly for defending 2:31:17.400 --> 2:31:20.280 capital rioters. Um. I went into some other channels that 2:31:20.320 --> 2:31:23.400 were adjacent that I saw shared, you know, in this channel. 2:31:23.800 --> 2:31:27.160 One of them was Oscar's Midnight Writer Patriot Post channel, 2:31:27.160 --> 2:31:30.440 which actually thousands and thousands of followers. Average post would 2:31:30.480 --> 2:31:34.000 get two to three thousand views. Um, here's one. I'm 2:31:34.000 --> 2:31:36.480 considered a domestic terrorist if I tell a school board 2:31:36.480 --> 2:31:38.200 that I don't want my eight year old daughter watching 2:31:38.240 --> 2:31:41.360 sex videos in her third grade classroom. Um, and that 2:31:41.440 --> 2:31:44.680 post was right above this post. The constitution actually says 2:31:44.720 --> 2:31:47.400 you can legally overthrow your government if they are tyrannical. 2:31:47.800 --> 2:31:50.000 And that post was right above this post, which was 2:31:50.200 --> 2:31:53.800 a screen which was a screen grab from a Twitter 2:31:53.879 --> 2:31:57.400 account for a guy who calls himself Murray Rothbard's seventeen 2:31:57.480 --> 2:32:01.039 seventy six. The FBI didn't rate Epstein islander protect hundreds 2:32:01.040 --> 2:32:03.800 of young female gymnasts from being sexually assaulted for years, 2:32:03.920 --> 2:32:06.120 But they'll raid your PTA meetings when you questioned the 2:32:06.160 --> 2:32:09.640 curriculum and on scientific mask mandates and their indoctrination camps, 2:32:09.680 --> 2:32:13.840 I mean public schools. And of course this from Twitter 2:32:13.920 --> 2:32:16.320 user named Emerald Robinson. And again this is all shared 2:32:16.360 --> 2:32:18.680 in that channel. It's like a screen grab from Twitter. 2:32:18.959 --> 2:32:21.560 When the FBI starts arresting parents at school board meetings, 2:32:21.560 --> 2:32:24.000 just remember the GOP senators who made it happen by 2:32:24.000 --> 2:32:26.520 confirming Merritt Gardland as Attorney General. And then it's a 2:32:26.560 --> 2:32:30.760 list of Republican u Emerald Eard Robinson is the White 2:32:30.760 --> 2:32:34.880 House correspondent for News Max. Oh right, Oh my god, yeah, 2:32:34.959 --> 2:32:39.080 you're right. Uh huh great great. So I don't know, 2:32:39.200 --> 2:32:42.360 that's probably all I should get into. Well, no, there's 2:32:42.360 --> 2:32:46.840 a we can one more things. So Oscar's Midnight Writer, 2:32:46.959 --> 2:32:50.000 which was shared in in that uh that school board 2:32:50.080 --> 2:32:53.400 channel took me to the Western Chauvinist school Board Channel, 2:32:53.560 --> 2:32:55.920 which took me to a post which with a video 2:32:56.480 --> 2:32:58.680 UM with a link to a video. The text with 2:32:58.760 --> 2:33:01.080 the video was woman it's cool board meeting calls out 2:33:01.160 --> 2:33:04.600 Jewish power by name. Um and it's a woman ranting 2:33:04.640 --> 2:33:06.680 about how the Jews are behind all of the critical 2:33:06.760 --> 2:33:10.760 race theory in schools. Um. So again not hard to 2:33:10.800 --> 2:33:14.000 get to this kind of ship. Another post was it 2:33:14.120 --> 2:33:16.560 was in the Western Chauvinist Telegram. It was sharing a 2:33:16.600 --> 2:33:19.119 post from the Murder the Media Telegram, who were part 2:33:19.160 --> 2:33:22.280 of the Capital riot. UM. That post from Murder the 2:33:22.320 --> 2:33:25.959 Media was National school Board Association apology letter for calling 2:33:25.959 --> 2:33:28.800 you domestic terrorists. It was we'll talk about this later, 2:33:29.080 --> 2:33:31.440 but the comment in the Western Chauvinist was like, we 2:33:31.480 --> 2:33:35.440 don't apologize for being like for being domestic terrorists, Like 2:33:35.840 --> 2:33:38.160 we're yeah, we we think it's rad that they called 2:33:38.240 --> 2:33:41.000 us domestic terrorists. Because the Chavinist channel, by the way, 2:33:41.120 --> 2:33:44.160 has over fifty subscribers UM and used to be a 2:33:44.160 --> 2:33:46.960 Proud Boy channel, which is now just a general kind 2:33:46.959 --> 2:33:50.720 of farther right wing organizing channel that it's probably it's 2:33:50.720 --> 2:33:55.560 one of the most shared Telegram channels in this whole network. UM. 2:33:55.600 --> 2:33:59.120 And they are really good at creating propaganda that appeals 2:33:59.160 --> 2:34:02.080 to Trump voter while slipping in a lot of accelerationist 2:34:02.080 --> 2:34:05.959 talking points UM to slowly lead people on that redcrumb 2:34:06.000 --> 2:34:08.520 trail to make them be okay with mass silence. There 2:34:08.640 --> 2:34:12.520 was a comment in there, forwarded from another from the 2:34:12.560 --> 2:34:15.760 telegram account of a guy named Eric Striker UM, and 2:34:15.840 --> 2:34:19.160 this was a post Striker made commenting on a video 2:34:19.240 --> 2:34:21.520 of a father being dragged out of a quote woke 2:34:21.600 --> 2:34:27.600 school board meeting. UM for uh complaining of complaining about 2:34:27.720 --> 2:34:31.600 this kind of ship UM. The post from Eric Striker 2:34:31.879 --> 2:34:33.720 I think is worth reading, and I'm going to read 2:34:33.720 --> 2:34:36.400 it now for now, all we can do is impotently 2:34:36.400 --> 2:34:39.320 watch injustices like this unfold. This is really upsetting. We 2:34:39.400 --> 2:34:41.840 must build our political organization to the point where we 2:34:41.879 --> 2:34:45.720 can rapidly mobilize to defend this man, including physical demonstrations, 2:34:45.959 --> 2:34:48.360 sent him free legal support, and make people realize that 2:34:48.360 --> 2:34:50.640 the time of fucking with whites is over. We need 2:34:50.680 --> 2:34:53.480 our own media, civil society groups and activists. We need 2:34:53.520 --> 2:34:56.480 money and volunteers. It's not the Republican Party or anything 2:34:56.480 --> 2:34:59.000 in the conservative movement. It never will be. We need 2:34:59.040 --> 2:35:01.800 to build it from scrap. We are well underway National 2:35:01.879 --> 2:35:05.600 Justice Party. We must quietly and patiently build. Eventually we 2:35:05.640 --> 2:35:07.520 will have the capacity to come on the scene when 2:35:07.520 --> 2:35:09.320 they at least expect it and will be and we 2:35:09.360 --> 2:35:12.720 will be too powerful to stop. And that's probably where 2:35:12.760 --> 2:35:17.640 we should end for today. Yep. That that's a good 2:35:17.760 --> 2:35:21.560 part on good sad intro into the current problem of 2:35:21.720 --> 2:35:24.959 schoolboary meetings. We'll get into a lot more like accelerating 2:35:25.000 --> 2:35:26.840 rhetoric in the next bit and then talk about kind 2:35:26.840 --> 2:35:29.480 of where the stuff originated from and the other other 2:35:29.520 --> 2:35:32.440 side of things beyond, just like the CRT and UH 2:35:32.480 --> 2:35:34.520 and and mask stuff, because it branches out into a 2:35:34.520 --> 2:35:40.400 lot of other kind of adjacent cultural war bullshit issues. Um, anyway, yeah, 2:35:40.400 --> 2:35:44.119 we'll do that tomorrow. Um you can all the show 2:35:44.160 --> 2:35:46.600 on Twitter and Instagram, it happen here, pod and cool 2:35:46.680 --> 2:35:48.720 Zone Media if you want to be on those apps, 2:35:48.720 --> 2:35:50.800 which I don't know why you would. Yeah, don't be 2:35:50.879 --> 2:35:53.160 on those apps. Get you know, I just found out 2:35:53.480 --> 2:35:56.920 they'll deliver skinned gators to your door. Get into cooking gators. 2:35:57.240 --> 2:35:59.320 That's what I plan to do. 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Hustle on over Today. 2:38:20.320 --> 2:38:26.879 What second? My part of this episode on right Wing 2:38:27.040 --> 2:38:31.480 attempts to attack and dominate school board meetings in order 2:38:31.520 --> 2:38:35.560 to further their ability to do violence on marginalized groups 2:38:35.760 --> 2:38:43.640 and also erode democratic institutions from the ground. Uh stage title, Yeah, yeah, 2:38:43.680 --> 2:38:47.880 that'll that'll click. Well Ah, I'm so glad we don't 2:38:47.879 --> 2:38:52.320 have to worry about clicking and titles. And that took 2:38:52.360 --> 2:38:54.480 up a lot of my mind back in the day, Garrison, 2:38:54.760 --> 2:38:57.360 back when, back when the internet was different. Now we 2:38:57.400 --> 2:38:59.240 don't have to worry about that anymore, but we do 2:38:59.320 --> 2:39:02.040 have to worry about our moms of fascists attacking school 2:39:02.040 --> 2:39:06.360 board meetings. Happens every week, keeps happening more often. School 2:39:06.360 --> 2:39:08.960 boards are calling for assistance. That they seem pretty, they 2:39:09.000 --> 2:39:14.840 seem pretty not thrilled. Yeah, they seem not psyched about. Yeah. 2:39:14.959 --> 2:39:17.320 So where where where? When we left off, I was 2:39:17.360 --> 2:39:22.920 talking about some things I found on the gram Telegram. Uh, Garrison, 2:39:23.000 --> 2:39:27.240 what's next. I'll go into my preliminary research on Telegram 2:39:27.240 --> 2:39:30.640 and particularly response. Basically, I looked through every single Telegram 2:39:30.680 --> 2:39:32.840 post and all of the main fascist channels I lurk 2:39:32.920 --> 2:39:37.520 on that mentioned school boards from like the past two weeks. Um, 2:39:37.600 --> 2:39:42.480 so like, yeah, this is like current current stuff on ongoing. Um, 2:39:42.520 --> 2:39:43.960 I got to a lot of the channels I was 2:39:43.959 --> 2:39:46.400 already familiar with, like you know, the Western Shovinist channel, 2:39:46.400 --> 2:39:51.160 which is uh subs um, the Standard Students channel, which 2:39:51.200 --> 2:39:53.600 was a when I was less familiar with, specifically dedicated 2:39:53.640 --> 2:39:57.080 to this school board issue. UM. One of one of 2:39:57.120 --> 2:40:01.080 the posts we have on there is U says, your 2:40:01.160 --> 2:40:04.240 enemy isn't some far off ship whole country. Your enemy 2:40:04.320 --> 2:40:07.080 is just down the street at your local school board meeting, 2:40:07.680 --> 2:40:11.240 teaching your kids to hate their ancestors, you and themselves. 2:40:11.680 --> 2:40:14.440 So like again, that is a very much white supremacist 2:40:14.440 --> 2:40:18.400 dog whistle just right there, um talking about producing Hollywood 2:40:18.480 --> 2:40:24.360 movies writing there No, basically it's basically just a whistle. UM. 2:40:24.400 --> 2:40:25.920 So yeah, they then they, you know, the same post 2:40:25.959 --> 2:40:28.720 talks about you know, masks and shot down businesses and 2:40:28.720 --> 2:40:31.240 the vaccines and stuff and saying the fight is here 2:40:31.240 --> 2:40:33.840 and the fight is now. So just in terms of like, yeah, 2:40:33.959 --> 2:40:36.560 they're really wanting to hype people up for doing this 2:40:36.920 --> 2:40:39.560 thing at school boards. They're trying to really hammer down 2:40:39.840 --> 2:40:41.840 the school board points. So like I found this, I 2:40:41.879 --> 2:40:44.560 found this post. This is this is a post from 2:40:44.600 --> 2:40:47.560 the Standford Students channel UM and I saw this one 2:40:47.800 --> 2:40:50.080 re shared in a lot of different channels. One of 2:40:50.080 --> 2:40:53.160 the other first ones that I saw pop off was 2:40:53.280 --> 2:40:56.280 from Ron watkins channel like Code monkey z. He is 2:40:56.680 --> 2:40:58.480 one of the one of the architects or one of 2:40:58.480 --> 2:41:00.800 the you know people who really pushed went on stuff 2:41:01.200 --> 2:41:06.720 into He's the guy who ran like the physical infrastructure 2:41:06.720 --> 2:41:09.640 of Chan chan in eight Coon for years. Yeah. He 2:41:09.720 --> 2:41:12.160 and he's trying to pivot into being like having his 2:41:12.320 --> 2:41:15.040 just his face be like a kind of alternative right 2:41:15.040 --> 2:41:18.120 wing figure right now. He's gonna be running for office 2:41:18.480 --> 2:41:22.440 in Arizona, I believe. Anyway, he has a very popular 2:41:22.480 --> 2:41:25.200 Telegram channel. Um, and he made he made this post 2:41:25.280 --> 2:41:27.959 that had over a thousand, over a thousand comments on it, 2:41:27.959 --> 2:41:30.600 which is a lot for telegram. A thousand comments on 2:41:30.680 --> 2:41:35.199 telegram post, especially telegram post of of code mackezs size 2:41:35.560 --> 2:41:38.760 in't see how many substance So Ron just his context. 2:41:38.920 --> 2:41:43.160 Ron Watkins has four hundred and thirty two thousand subscribers 2:41:43.240 --> 2:41:49.120 on his on his Telegram channel. So yeah. Anyway, uh 2:41:49.320 --> 2:41:54.800 CRT is being rebranded as s e L a Social 2:41:54.840 --> 2:41:58.160 Emotional learning. If you are attending school board meetings, as 2:41:58.200 --> 2:42:00.120 you should be, do what you can to make you 2:42:00.160 --> 2:42:03.480 stop both s e L and CRT and keep them 2:42:03.520 --> 2:42:06.120 and make sure that they are banned in your school districts. 2:42:06.520 --> 2:42:10.640 So again, just direct calls to action for getting people 2:42:10.680 --> 2:42:13.360 to show up to these school boards. And also, social 2:42:13.360 --> 2:42:16.400 emotional learning is not CRT, and of course security is 2:42:16.440 --> 2:42:18.440 not even taught in schools. I think everyone who listens 2:42:18.480 --> 2:42:21.760 to this podcast knows that sr TY, actually critical theory 2:42:21.959 --> 2:42:24.440 isn't taught in schools. This isn't an actual thing, it's 2:42:24.480 --> 2:42:26.480 it is like a legal theory. We'll get into more 2:42:26.480 --> 2:42:28.360 of how this gout like pushed towards the end. I 2:42:28.400 --> 2:42:31.760 think Chris has some stuff prepared on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:42:32.000 --> 2:42:34.280 it's again these none of these things are actually real. 2:42:34.640 --> 2:42:37.360 It's a complex legal theory. What they're really mad about 2:42:37.400 --> 2:42:40.320 is their people are teaching that racism is like an 2:42:40.320 --> 2:42:42.840 issue that's built into a lot of American institutions and 2:42:42.879 --> 2:42:44.720 it's an ongoing thing. It's not a thing of the past. 2:42:44.760 --> 2:42:46.480 That's what they're actually mad about, and they just call 2:42:46.560 --> 2:42:49.760 that CRT. Some some of the comments from the Ron 2:42:49.760 --> 2:42:53.720 Wapkins post, stuff like these snowflakes are so annoying, I'm 2:42:53.720 --> 2:42:55.720 about to start cutting power to any school in my 2:42:55.760 --> 2:43:00.680 community that teaches this. Um so yeah or again that's 2:43:00.720 --> 2:43:03.400 just a direct, a direct threat of doing terrorism shouting, 2:43:04.720 --> 2:43:08.760 I mean, less of a threat and more of a promise. 2:43:09.200 --> 2:43:12.960 Yeah do that it be no, sure it doesn't. All right, 2:43:13.080 --> 2:43:15.960 Well I don't understand things the same way you zoomers do. 2:43:16.120 --> 2:43:18.760 Please continue. Yeah, a lot of a lot of posts 2:43:18.800 --> 2:43:21.600 being a shipped around from channel to channel, including this 2:43:21.680 --> 2:43:25.240 full Nazi channels were like trying to trying to of course, 2:43:25.280 --> 2:43:27.080 like lots of Nazis are actually you know, I thought 2:43:27.080 --> 2:43:29.600 it was pretty funny that that the school board union 2:43:29.760 --> 2:43:32.320 put in a call to assistance to the federal government 2:43:32.360 --> 2:43:34.080 to deal with this issue. They of course they thought 2:43:34.040 --> 2:43:36.080 that was funny. But they're gonna use this to like 2:43:36.200 --> 2:43:38.960 spread networks to be like, hey, the government wants to 2:43:39.000 --> 2:43:41.720 stop you. They're calling you a terrorist. You like regular 2:43:41.760 --> 2:43:43.800 folk are being called terrorists because you're showing up with 2:43:43.800 --> 2:43:45.640 school boards, Right, that's the kind of message that they're 2:43:45.640 --> 2:43:47.920 going to shoot out. So they a lot of Nazi 2:43:48.000 --> 2:43:50.199 channels crafted a lot of posts like that that got 2:43:50.200 --> 2:43:54.720 shared around a lot. Yeah, in trying to basically all 2:43:54.760 --> 2:43:58.080 time critical race theory and if you approached against critical 2:43:58.160 --> 2:44:00.600 race theory. They're calling you a domestic terrorist, that that 2:44:00.680 --> 2:44:03.320 type of thing. And this got this got shared in 2:44:03.320 --> 2:44:05.160 like the school Boards channel, and a whole bunch of 2:44:05.160 --> 2:44:07.720 whole bunch of other stuff being being talking about how 2:44:08.080 --> 2:44:09.879 if you, if you stand up, you're gonna be a 2:44:09.879 --> 2:44:11.840 domestic terrorist. You have to be brave and do this. 2:44:12.400 --> 2:44:15.160 A few days after the school board uh not a 2:44:15.200 --> 2:44:16.640 few days, I guess this. This was this was in 2:44:16.760 --> 2:44:22.120 like in October um the school Association retracted some of 2:44:22.120 --> 2:44:24.040 the some of the words that they used in their 2:44:24.120 --> 2:44:27.240 letter because of this backlash that was created. And this 2:44:27.360 --> 2:44:31.600 was also shared in shared in uh lots of fascist channels. 2:44:31.800 --> 2:44:33.560 The main one who was shared in that I saw 2:44:33.840 --> 2:44:37.200 was the Honk Pills channel UM, which is just another 2:44:37.280 --> 2:44:41.680 type of Peppe meme um, one of the other one 2:44:41.680 --> 2:44:44.680 of the other big, big kind of groups active in 2:44:44.800 --> 2:44:47.640 this in this whole sphere. And this this has been 2:44:47.640 --> 2:44:49.280 a group going on for a while and we haven't 2:44:49.360 --> 2:44:51.160 talked about on the pod, but we probably should do 2:44:51.200 --> 2:44:54.400 something eventually. Is this group called White Rose, so this 2:44:54.440 --> 2:44:57.680 is a White Rose is a COVID conspiracy group that 2:44:57.800 --> 2:45:02.200 has been very uh successful in creating on the ground 2:45:02.280 --> 2:45:04.600 organizers who are regular people. They do a lot of 2:45:04.600 --> 2:45:07.240 like sticker bombs and lots of neighborhoods. If you have 2:45:07.320 --> 2:45:10.160 if you ever seen anti like COVID or COVID conspiracy 2:45:10.200 --> 2:45:13.360 stickers in your neighborhood, it was probably a white Road sticker. UM. 2:45:13.440 --> 2:45:16.560 These are all over the States and basically everything. As 2:45:16.600 --> 2:45:19.720 a quick heads up, the original White Rose was a 2:45:19.879 --> 2:45:24.320 student protest organization that existed in Nazi Germany UM and 2:45:24.400 --> 2:45:29.439 protested illegally, and its organizers were executed by the Nazis. 2:45:29.480 --> 2:45:30.720 And I think it was the mid forty I mean 2:45:30.680 --> 2:45:34.440 it would be like like forty three, maybe maybe forty four. Um. 2:45:34.480 --> 2:45:38.240 Sophie Shoal was the person most associated with them. So 2:45:38.240 --> 2:45:42.800 they've they're they're they've taken the names of these these heroes, 2:45:43.120 --> 2:45:47.360 UM in order to it's just disgusting. It's very gross. 2:45:47.480 --> 2:45:50.240 There's there's a decent amount of decent amount of researchers 2:45:50.240 --> 2:45:53.720 in this field. Thinks that there's like actual bad people 2:45:53.800 --> 2:45:55.800 behind White Rose. Of course, with like bad people because 2:45:55.800 --> 2:45:58.600 they're spending COVID stuff, but like wait, like like more 2:45:58.720 --> 2:46:02.080 like bad actors used by the astroturfing this thing. But 2:46:02.160 --> 2:46:05.440 at White roasters of its own piece later. But because 2:46:05.440 --> 2:46:08.040 they have such a big following on Telegram, they are 2:46:08.120 --> 2:46:12.680 of course using using this to using the school board 2:46:12.680 --> 2:46:15.200 thing to gain more support. They have about subscribers to 2:46:15.200 --> 2:46:19.280 their specific telegram channel. They should have post a few 2:46:19.320 --> 2:46:22.039 weeks ago saying thank you to all the brave parents 2:46:22.040 --> 2:46:23.879 going out to their school boards and standing up for 2:46:23.920 --> 2:46:27.320 the children. UM. And they try that, you know, get 2:46:27.320 --> 2:46:29.560 people to do sticker bombs and stuff, but the fact 2:46:29.560 --> 2:46:31.840 that there's like specifically calling out people in school boards 2:46:31.920 --> 2:46:35.119 is like an extra step of like beyond just putting 2:46:35.440 --> 2:46:39.720 stickers up in your neighborhood. UM. Another another another white 2:46:39.840 --> 2:46:44.600 right Rose post. They shared a shared a video UM 2:46:44.680 --> 2:46:49.080 that was captioned as concerned parent absolutely destroys school board 2:46:49.120 --> 2:46:52.440 with facts The school boards are the battlefield of our time. 2:46:52.800 --> 2:46:56.000 This is how it's done. And just the increasing rhetoric 2:46:56.000 --> 2:46:58.320 around like battle fields, this is where like the fight 2:46:58.400 --> 2:47:02.080 is at all that kind of stuff. Um. There was 2:47:02.120 --> 2:47:05.600 another another uh, the White White Chauvinist channel shared a 2:47:05.720 --> 2:47:09.560 video from Fox News. UM and they they the Western 2:47:09.680 --> 2:47:12.320 Chauvinist channel, which is again it's one of the most 2:47:12.320 --> 2:47:15.160 shared ones in this whole network. They captioned as saying 2:47:15.480 --> 2:47:17.560 parents and Virginia are trying to fight back against the 2:47:17.600 --> 2:47:21.480 school board that is anti white. Um, every every school 2:47:21.480 --> 2:47:24.520 district in America needs to have an anti mandate pro 2:47:24.720 --> 2:47:28.560 right parents running for the school board. So that's just 2:47:28.600 --> 2:47:31.039 the It's this type of stuff all over and this 2:47:31.160 --> 2:47:34.960 this this post was got it has like an eleven 2:47:35.000 --> 2:47:40.640 eleven thousand, eleven thousand views. Um. So these things are 2:47:40.640 --> 2:47:42.760 spreading to a lot of a lot of these specific networks. 2:47:42.760 --> 2:47:44.400 And I mean, I I have so many of this 2:47:44.480 --> 2:47:46.440 kind of stuff. I'm not going to go through every 2:47:46.440 --> 2:47:48.280 single one in detail. There's ones that are way more 2:47:48.360 --> 2:47:50.920 like openly anti Semitic, uh, you know, saying, you know 2:47:50.959 --> 2:47:54.000 the Jews that run you know, ex school board, um 2:47:54.040 --> 2:47:58.280 are trying to force vaccinations on every student over twelve. Um. 2:47:58.560 --> 2:48:02.160 Other another there's this fake this is this this fake 2:48:02.240 --> 2:48:05.600 Clint Eastwood channel on Telegram that's pretty popular. Someone who's 2:48:05.640 --> 2:48:10.240 pretending to be Clint Eastwood. That spread all right stuff. Um. 2:48:10.280 --> 2:48:12.120 He had a post that was shared a lot that 2:48:12.200 --> 2:48:15.040 started by saying, starts taking over school boards, start taking 2:48:15.040 --> 2:48:18.400 over city council, start taking over city boards, um, start 2:48:18.400 --> 2:48:21.800 to start being poll watchers, start being poll workers, start 2:48:21.840 --> 2:48:24.800 taking over sheriff's departments. It's not enough just to vote. 2:48:24.920 --> 2:48:26.480 So this, this is the other thing that we're going 2:48:26.520 --> 2:48:29.480 to see a lot more of, is rhetoric around voting. 2:48:29.480 --> 2:48:32.800 Isn't enough, you need to start doing more things. Um, 2:48:32.840 --> 2:48:35.920 there is one of it. Yeah, here, here's here's one. 2:48:36.360 --> 2:48:37.960 This is gonna this is a referencing some of the 2:48:38.200 --> 2:48:39.920 trans stuff. I'll discussing a bit. I just want to 2:48:39.920 --> 2:48:42.800 tie it in now. A post from the Western Chavenist 2:48:42.879 --> 2:48:46.560 channel saying there is no political solution, which is a 2:48:46.680 --> 2:48:50.160 direct Nazi, a direct Nazi lie. I mean that. That's 2:48:50.240 --> 2:48:53.800 what I did an article early this year on Riley Williams, 2:48:53.840 --> 2:48:57.240 the Nazi who stole Pelosi's laptop during the Capitol riot, 2:48:57.280 --> 2:48:59.320 and then, like the video that we were able to 2:48:59.600 --> 2:49:02.039 I did to fire her as a sig hiling Nazi, 2:49:02.080 --> 2:49:04.160 and that's how she opened her quote, there is no 2:49:04.240 --> 2:49:09.199 political solution. It's a very common catchphrase among like the 2:49:09.200 --> 2:49:12.440 the fast right. Yeah. So there's been a lot of 2:49:12.440 --> 2:49:16.320 stuff around harassing like specific school board members, harassing specific teachers. 2:49:16.600 --> 2:49:18.760 There was this teacher in uh I think in California 2:49:18.800 --> 2:49:22.039 that was trying to like introduced like like anti fascist 2:49:22.080 --> 2:49:24.520 type rhetoric and talking about how fascism is a modern thing. 2:49:24.560 --> 2:49:28.880 They got absolutely bashed um and like docs um, and 2:49:28.920 --> 2:49:30.800 they got it, I think fired because there was like 2:49:30.920 --> 2:49:34.000 hundreds of parents organizing on on apps like telegram to 2:49:34.160 --> 2:49:36.080 harass this one teacher at school board's like you know, 2:49:36.240 --> 2:49:38.680 they took over massive school board meetings and just talked 2:49:38.720 --> 2:49:42.920 about this one teacher endlessly um. And it was even 2:49:42.920 --> 2:49:44.680 It's interesting because like all the parents were like, yeah, Mike, 2:49:44.760 --> 2:49:48.200 my I got worried because my student actually really like 2:49:48.200 --> 2:49:49.920 liked the teacher and said that they were doing like 2:49:50.160 --> 2:49:53.680 giving really interesting points about like systemic issues. And the 2:49:53.760 --> 2:49:55.400 parents were like and they like brought their kids to 2:49:55.440 --> 2:49:57.279 the school board meeting and there's the kids are standing 2:49:57.280 --> 2:49:59.160 in the back as their parents are ranting about this 2:49:59.240 --> 2:50:01.800 and talking about how the kids actually, like I thought 2:50:01.800 --> 2:50:05.720 they were learning things about systemic issues. And then that 2:50:05.840 --> 2:50:13.120 got people mad. So you know what else gets people mad? Uh? 2:50:13.200 --> 2:50:20.959 This is a advertisements. Yeah, and we're bad. We're gonna 2:50:21.000 --> 2:50:24.920 we're gonna touch on the uh, the specifics, like all 2:50:24.959 --> 2:50:26.920 the stuff we've been talking about. Most of the modern 2:50:27.959 --> 2:50:30.600 most most of like the current organizing is a lot 2:50:30.640 --> 2:50:33.280 of it's around like mask mandates and vaccine mandates. Um. 2:50:33.360 --> 2:50:35.120 Like all of this called like you know, the the 2:50:35.360 --> 2:50:38.000 the stool board channel. All of this kind of stuff 2:50:38.080 --> 2:50:42.320 is usually around vaccine, vaccines and mask stuff. Uh, of 2:50:42.320 --> 2:50:45.040 course there's critic Royce theory was the way more popular 2:50:45.080 --> 2:50:47.039 thing a few months ago. Right now is the vaccine thing. 2:50:47.320 --> 2:50:51.879 The other kind of like ever present thing is being 2:50:51.959 --> 2:50:55.359 upset that trans kids exist and being very fearful that 2:50:55.360 --> 2:50:59.040 that there are trans kids around your kids. Uh. This 2:50:59.120 --> 2:51:00.840 is a thing that's been, you know, a thing for 2:51:00.920 --> 2:51:05.560 years that people have been fighting against. And since the 2:51:05.600 --> 2:51:08.320 school board thing is becoming more popular, people are are 2:51:08.440 --> 2:51:12.760 starting to uh bring Laiceally do these kind of flash 2:51:12.840 --> 2:51:16.440 mobs specifically around trans issues. Um. One of like the 2:51:16.480 --> 2:51:19.640 more like astro turf type things was people getting mad 2:51:19.760 --> 2:51:22.680 that there were like two specific books available in certain 2:51:22.760 --> 2:51:26.680 high school and some middle school libraries. Um that one 2:51:26.720 --> 2:51:29.800 of it was like a like one of it was 2:51:30.000 --> 2:51:32.720 the memoir that Robert mentioned. The other one was like 2:51:32.959 --> 2:51:38.600 a graphic novel memorial about someone realizing their gender queer. 2:51:38.879 --> 2:51:40.879 So these are books that are not in curriculums. These 2:51:40.920 --> 2:51:44.600 are just books that are available at the library. Um. 2:51:44.640 --> 2:51:47.840 And basically there was people who just who found these 2:51:47.840 --> 2:51:50.040 out and got turned it into like like a meme 2:51:50.080 --> 2:51:52.720 on telegram essentially, like people like sharing information about this. 2:51:52.920 --> 2:51:54.160 Then you like look it up, see if it's in 2:51:54.160 --> 2:51:56.280 your library. So then we have all of these like 2:51:56.440 --> 2:51:59.560 coordinated attacks on school boards by these mobs of people 2:51:59.640 --> 2:52:02.640 all but these same two books. Um, and the goals 2:52:02.640 --> 2:52:05.000 to not only just get the books like banned, but 2:52:05.000 --> 2:52:08.080 they're also trying to like fire or arrest the teachers 2:52:08.200 --> 2:52:10.920 and school bar members for allowing these books to happen. 2:52:10.959 --> 2:52:12.959 There has been school boy members who have like stepped 2:52:13.000 --> 2:52:15.879 down because of just how much harassment is about these things. 2:52:16.520 --> 2:52:19.520 Quote from the Western Chavinist channel, Jesus Christ straight up 2:52:19.520 --> 2:52:22.520 pedophile books in our children's schools. Once again, the Jewish 2:52:22.520 --> 2:52:24.400 school board member gets mad and trying to shut them down. 2:52:24.520 --> 2:52:26.320 How can you not connect the dots here? There's no 2:52:26.320 --> 2:52:30.280 political solution. Voting will not remove these people. Um. There 2:52:30.400 --> 2:52:34.600 was the mayor of Houston, uh so in the mayor 2:52:34.640 --> 2:52:38.200 of Houston, Ohio heard about this, and he went to 2:52:38.240 --> 2:52:40.480 a school board meeting and instructed all of them, all 2:52:40.520 --> 2:52:44.840 of the board members to resign um quoting the quoting 2:52:44.879 --> 2:52:47.840 the Proud Boy right wing organizing channel Western Chavenista. This 2:52:47.879 --> 2:52:50.480 comes after some of the degenerate parasites in the system 2:52:50.520 --> 2:52:52.960 called educators, instructed kids to describe a sex scene that 2:52:53.000 --> 2:52:55.480 they wouldn't show their mom. Of course this didn't happen. 2:52:55.600 --> 2:52:58.680 This is this is they these these things are not 2:52:58.760 --> 2:53:01.080 are not These books are not used in any kind 2:53:01.080 --> 2:53:04.400 of curriculum anyway. So even even if they were that that, 2:53:04.640 --> 2:53:06.760 we were not even we're not even in that reality. 2:53:07.120 --> 2:53:12.760 Um So the mayor of this town basically got these instructed, 2:53:12.800 --> 2:53:16.400 these instructed all of these people to resign. Um earlier, 2:53:16.440 --> 2:53:20.120 I think in mark No. In August of this year, 2:53:20.760 --> 2:53:25.240 pride flags were banned at a at a school school 2:53:25.240 --> 2:53:30.040 district inside south west Oregon. Um, I think around I 2:53:30.040 --> 2:53:33.240 think around Newburg. The Newberg school district banned but banded 2:53:33.240 --> 2:53:36.200 pride flegs. So all this kind of stuff and and 2:53:36.280 --> 2:53:38.039 of course that is in a lot of states. But 2:53:38.080 --> 2:53:40.160 the yeah, the fact that it's in like Oregon, a 2:53:40.280 --> 2:53:42.480 blue state, is people got made like you know, there's 2:53:42.520 --> 2:53:45.279 like you know, NBC articles about it because it's it's Oregon. 2:53:45.360 --> 2:53:46.880 It's not it's it's it's not it's it's not a 2:53:46.920 --> 2:53:49.360 red state. So it's all big, it's all Portland, it's 2:53:49.360 --> 2:53:52.400 all Antifa, right yeah, yeah, so again the stuff is 2:53:52.440 --> 2:53:56.200 not not not like contained to one thing. And like yeah, 2:53:56.240 --> 2:53:58.879 if you google the stuff around these books, if you 2:53:58.920 --> 2:54:03.080 google like j under queer book, uh school boards, you'll 2:54:03.120 --> 2:54:05.920 find this in so many school districts. You'll see just 2:54:06.080 --> 2:54:10.560 mobs of people lined up yelling and screaming um and 2:54:10.640 --> 2:54:15.520 like like printing out giant, like giant cardboard prints of 2:54:15.520 --> 2:54:19.360 of this comic book showing like like with like you know, 2:54:19.520 --> 2:54:21.240 there's like a dick on it, Like there's like a 2:54:21.360 --> 2:54:25.400 drawn a drawn dick, because that's what human bodies look like. 2:54:25.920 --> 2:54:28.240 Like you can look at like a lot of like yeah, 2:54:28.400 --> 2:54:30.320 like what are you gonna banned the statue of David 2:54:30.640 --> 2:54:32.960 because he has his dick outs too, like like come on. 2:54:33.320 --> 2:54:35.960 And also, these are the same people who talk about 2:54:36.000 --> 2:54:39.440 like oh, they're you know, banning books, burning books. You know, 2:54:39.560 --> 2:54:41.160 right there was that there was that tweet from like 2:54:41.240 --> 2:54:43.320 James Woods about like these are the books that people 2:54:43.360 --> 2:54:45.600 want banned. That means they're the most important ones. But 2:54:45.640 --> 2:54:48.160 these people love. These people love like burning books. These 2:54:48.160 --> 2:54:51.120 people love banning books. They love canceler culture. That the 2:54:51.160 --> 2:54:53.080 cultures that I was that I was in as a kid, 2:54:53.080 --> 2:54:55.720 they would have like massive like book and like c 2:54:55.879 --> 2:54:59.400 D and DVD burnings for like unlike unholy and sinful 2:54:59.440 --> 2:55:01.600 media that you would like bring in and like throw 2:55:01.680 --> 2:55:04.800 like your sinful music onto this giant fire. Like these 2:55:04.840 --> 2:55:08.080 people love love burning books, they love they love banning stuff, 2:55:08.160 --> 2:55:13.640 they love cancel culture. Um, but they just like that. Yeah, 2:55:13.760 --> 2:55:16.320 So that was that was most of my stuff around 2:55:16.400 --> 2:55:19.160 the kind of the ongoing queer and trans stuff. Of course, 2:55:19.240 --> 2:55:21.160 you know, this ties into the bathroom stuff as well, 2:55:21.560 --> 2:55:23.920 with the people showing up to school board meetings to 2:55:23.920 --> 2:55:27.359 scream about you know, kids going ship in the bathroom 2:55:27.400 --> 2:55:30.920 that they want to and feel comfortable in. Um. You know. 2:55:31.040 --> 2:55:32.920 And again like it doesn't it's not gonna stop with 2:55:32.959 --> 2:55:35.080 trans people either. Right as soon as they ban trans people, 2:55:35.120 --> 2:55:37.080 the next thing is going to be oh, gay students. Right, 2:55:37.280 --> 2:55:40.760 it says it never it's never stops, it always keeps going. Um. 2:55:40.760 --> 2:55:43.720 And it's just an ever present problem that it's gonna 2:55:43.959 --> 2:55:47.280 require a lot more, a lot more dealing with. And 2:55:47.480 --> 2:55:50.600 again with all of these flash mobs, like no one, 2:55:50.800 --> 2:55:53.520 no one's gonna stop them because they're like the people 2:55:53.560 --> 2:55:55.560 in power. They're the people that have all of the privilege. 2:55:55.800 --> 2:55:58.680 There's no really effective counter organizing for these school board 2:55:58.680 --> 2:56:01.560 meetings right now. Um, the cops aren't gonna do ship. 2:56:01.600 --> 2:56:04.720 Security guards aren't gonna do ship. Uh and regular libs 2:56:04.959 --> 2:56:07.480 and regular regular people aren't gonna do it either. And 2:56:07.760 --> 2:56:10.880 it's hard to figure out how to actually combat this 2:56:10.920 --> 2:56:12.480 because there's a lot of times that the people in 2:56:12.520 --> 2:56:14.800 school boards were like, no, we don't want this to 2:56:14.840 --> 2:56:17.960 turn into a giant like fistfights, Like, don't don't come 2:56:17.959 --> 2:56:20.160 in mass to start fistfighting them. But there needs to 2:56:20.160 --> 2:56:23.480 be something to combat, whether that be you know, running 2:56:23.520 --> 2:56:26.199 running for school boards, just showing up outside school boards, 2:56:26.360 --> 2:56:30.360 having just more people there in, having more presence there, uh, 2:56:30.560 --> 2:56:33.400 so that it's not as overwhelmed by like a mob 2:56:33.480 --> 2:56:36.119 of two hundred anti mask people showing up. Right, there 2:56:36.120 --> 2:56:40.520 needs to be some type of thing happening because no 2:56:40.560 --> 2:56:43.320 one else needs to be countered and yeah, you know what, 2:56:43.560 --> 2:56:45.400 they might need to get the ship kicked out of them. 2:56:45.480 --> 2:56:47.360 I'm sorry, but like I don't, like I don't think 2:56:47.400 --> 2:56:50.440 that would actually help in this instance, probably, but like 2:56:50.959 --> 2:56:54.080 there needs to be fucking something like they they are. 2:56:54.360 --> 2:56:59.800 The level of boldness that they have is evidence that 2:56:59.800 --> 2:57:03.400 they they feel, they are confident that there is no 2:57:03.520 --> 2:57:06.640 counter to what they're is going to be done. And 2:57:06.720 --> 2:57:10.280 perhaps if they were being met by a wall of 2:57:10.400 --> 2:57:13.040 people in the community who were willing, if they tried 2:57:13.080 --> 2:57:15.360 to force their way into fucking throw down, you know, 2:57:15.480 --> 2:57:18.000 to say, you're not entering this building without a goddamn mask, 2:57:18.040 --> 2:57:21.280 You're not shutting down this meeting. Um. I don't know, 2:57:21.320 --> 2:57:23.200 maybe that would do something. I don't actually know what 2:57:23.240 --> 2:57:27.199 would do something. If it was people just as regular people, 2:57:27.240 --> 2:57:29.080 I think that would be. Yeah, it's certainly not going 2:57:29.160 --> 2:57:31.760 to help of its antifa. Um, for the love of God, 2:57:32.040 --> 2:57:34.440 don't show up in fucking black block at a school 2:57:34.440 --> 2:57:37.600 board meeting. Um, Like what would work is a bunch 2:57:37.600 --> 2:57:40.600 of other middle aged parents showing up and being willing 2:57:40.640 --> 2:57:44.640 to confront these people if and like, everything that is 2:57:44.640 --> 2:57:46.720 worth mentioning is that a lot of the people at 2:57:46.760 --> 2:57:50.720 these protests like are not parents at all. Like they're 2:57:50.720 --> 2:57:52.360 not they're not there, not even from the same school district. 2:57:52.400 --> 2:57:55.080 They're just sort of like this This is just how 2:57:55.400 --> 2:57:58.080 this is just how this sort of right wing outrage 2:57:58.120 --> 2:58:01.879 machine has worked and this is where they're drawing people. Yeah, 2:58:01.920 --> 2:58:03.760 I mean and again like it's it's a lot of 2:58:03.800 --> 2:58:06.840 the people and there there's gonna be big dudes who 2:58:06.840 --> 2:58:08.560 want to fight, but a lot of the people like 2:58:08.680 --> 2:58:11.880 screaming are are like you know, middle aged women. The 2:58:11.879 --> 2:58:13.680 people who are like really like leading the charge on 2:58:13.720 --> 2:58:17.240 this because they're able to use their privilege because like 2:58:17.240 --> 2:58:18.920 no one's gonna stop them, right, So that that's like 2:58:19.120 --> 2:58:22.039 when they're leading the charge of two people who are 2:58:22.120 --> 2:58:25.560 gonna like scream and harass and chase out black security guards, 2:58:25.640 --> 2:58:28.760 chase out, chase out the all this all the school 2:58:28.760 --> 2:58:32.400 remembers no one's they're they're very effective at using their 2:58:32.440 --> 2:58:36.000 privilege to gain political ground by just like doing stuff 2:58:36.040 --> 2:58:37.280 on the ground. It's like, you know, it's like this 2:58:37.360 --> 2:58:39.119 is like the January six thing. It's like the January 2:58:39.160 --> 2:58:41.080 six thing. This is the new future of political action 2:58:41.320 --> 2:58:44.080 is just showing up in mass two places where no 2:58:44.080 --> 2:58:47.240 one's gonna stop you because you're like you're the you know, 2:58:47.400 --> 2:58:53.480 the good, relatable you know every day Yeah you're anyway, 2:58:53.879 --> 2:58:57.160 That's that's the stuff I had. Will probably have an 2:58:57.160 --> 2:58:59.360 ad break and then talk about maybe some of how 2:58:59.440 --> 2:59:05.040 the stuff start speaking of using your privilege, you know, 2:59:05.440 --> 2:59:09.720 what is the greatest privilege being able to purchase the 2:59:09.800 --> 2:59:13.520 products that Yeah, that's exactly right. There's no privilege higher 2:59:13.600 --> 2:59:20.360 than being able to engage with these consumables. And we're back, 2:59:21.440 --> 2:59:24.680 all right, Chris, you want to close this out. Yeah, 2:59:24.680 --> 2:59:26.760 So the last thing I want to talk about that 2:59:26.920 --> 2:59:29.160 is interesting about this whole thing is, you know, we 2:59:29.160 --> 2:59:32.680 we've we've been mostly been focusing on the very furthest 2:59:32.760 --> 2:59:35.600 right elements of this, but a lot of the school 2:59:35.600 --> 2:59:40.040 board stuff is tied to i mean just straight a 2:59:40.120 --> 2:59:44.039 Republican party operatives and people who work in this sort 2:59:44.040 --> 2:59:45.800 of you know, I mean there's there's literally a bunch 2:59:45.800 --> 2:59:47.520 of people who work for the the Publican parties we'll get into. 2:59:47.520 --> 2:59:49.959 And then there's also this sort of network of of 2:59:50.000 --> 2:59:53.680 Republican think tanks, Republicans sort of yea dark money dumps. 2:59:53.720 --> 2:59:55.760 That's a lot of a lot of AstroTurf groups and 2:59:55.760 --> 2:59:58.400 that kind of stuff. Yeah, And and so I want 2:59:58.440 --> 2:59:59.920 to talk about a few of these people because I 3:00:00.000 --> 3:00:04.920 think they're interesting. Um, I think we can start with 3:00:05.080 --> 3:00:09.480 Nicole Nelly, who's an interesting person. She's so she she 3:00:09.560 --> 3:00:12.720 most recently founded Parents Defending Education who are They're They're 3:00:12.760 --> 3:00:15.360 one of the big groups to sort of like spreads 3:00:15.959 --> 3:00:18.320 this this sort of attack on school board stuff over 3:00:18.360 --> 3:00:20.959 the country. They have chapters, they organize people, and they 3:00:20.959 --> 3:00:22.640 also you know, they do this thing where they collect 3:00:22.959 --> 3:00:26.120 incident reports from from school districts that they you know, 3:00:26.280 --> 3:00:28.199 just distribute to all these people and they put them online. 3:00:28.240 --> 3:00:32.320 They have all of these they they they have a 3:00:32.320 --> 3:00:34.000 lot of stuff they do. They do a lot of 3:00:34.040 --> 3:00:36.920 anti mask mandate stuff. So they have these like template letters, 3:00:37.000 --> 3:00:39.640 like template like fakely performing letter things that you can 3:00:39.680 --> 3:00:41.080 send to schools that if you don't want to wear 3:00:41.080 --> 3:00:44.560 a masks. That's the staple of this type of organizing. Now. Yeah, 3:00:44.640 --> 3:00:46.960 and and the interesting thing about Nicolenelly is that so 3:00:47.080 --> 3:00:50.160 this is not like her first organ like three years 3:00:50.720 --> 3:00:56.720 eighteen back in the Halcyon days of of you know, 3:00:57.280 --> 3:00:59.840 I I'm not quite going to say it was before 3:01:00.080 --> 3:01:01.840 mask fully came off, but it was well the mask 3:01:01.959 --> 3:01:04.400 was like a little bit more on. She she previously 3:01:04.600 --> 3:01:07.920 founded a speech first. Yeah you might remember, yeah, as 3:01:08.040 --> 3:01:12.119 republic speech was the big talking point, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 3:01:12.160 --> 3:01:13.760 And so she ran that for a while. Now she's 3:01:13.959 --> 3:01:16.920 you know, organizing with the Holy people who just wants 3:01:16.959 --> 3:01:19.360 to Yeah, they just move on, They move on to 3:01:19.440 --> 3:01:21.760 the new things. It was. It was free speech, it 3:01:21.840 --> 3:01:25.160 was christ theory. Right now it's anti mask stuff. Next 3:01:25.240 --> 3:01:27.400 up it is gonna be trans stuff going real hard. 3:01:28.320 --> 3:01:32.440 Just today we had the fucking person who BBC platforms, 3:01:32.720 --> 3:01:36.760 the fucking lincum. Yeah, Lily K, the rapist Lily k 3:01:38.240 --> 3:01:41.600 manifesto where she details which specific trans women she wants 3:01:41.640 --> 3:01:46.560 to personally kill. Yeah, I used to know Lily Um. 3:01:46.560 --> 3:01:51.160 Oh yeah, yeah yeah, uh real dark turned Um, I 3:01:51.160 --> 3:01:53.320 don't know. I guess it's not super surprising. She was 3:01:54.120 --> 3:01:57.400 definitely interviewed her for a documentary and it was she 3:01:57.480 --> 3:01:59.920 was a bit off putting. Uh, didn't realize this was 3:02:00.000 --> 3:02:01.959 going on. I mean yeah, there's just a lot of 3:02:02.080 --> 3:02:04.240 a lot a lot of reports of people in like 3:02:04.360 --> 3:02:08.080 the sex book industry of talking about her, like raping 3:02:08.080 --> 3:02:11.280 people in bathrooms, which again it's like, yeah, the people 3:02:11.400 --> 3:02:13.480 it's always can screaming about oh no trans woman or 3:02:13.520 --> 3:02:15.480 in bathrooms. Yet the people the person screaming about this 3:02:15.560 --> 3:02:19.000 is an actual rapist, Like like when when we say 3:02:19.080 --> 3:02:22.360 rapists here, like she she she raped so many people 3:02:22.560 --> 3:02:25.879 that like on Twitter, like I was scrolling through my feet, 3:02:25.920 --> 3:02:27.760 and I saw multiple people who were like, oh I 3:02:27.800 --> 3:02:30.640 know this person she assaulted me. Yeah, it's really bad. 3:02:30.720 --> 3:02:32.840 The people who the turfs are like pushing Yeah, this 3:02:32.879 --> 3:02:36.440 is the BBC was platform. So like, yeah, like trans 3:02:36.480 --> 3:02:38.680 stuff is as soon as as soon as the anti 3:02:38.720 --> 3:02:42.240 mask anti back stuff like dies down in the next 3:02:42.440 --> 3:02:45.600 five months or whatever. Uh I I foresee a massive 3:02:45.640 --> 3:02:49.959 pivot towards specifically anti anti trans antiqueer antique stuff, because 3:02:50.000 --> 3:02:53.120 that's gonna be the new thing. Yep, and and and 3:02:53.280 --> 3:02:55.080 and I think it's it's worth bearing in mind that 3:02:55.280 --> 3:02:57.080 this stuff. Yeah, and you know, with with the cold 3:02:57.120 --> 3:03:00.080 NAILI specifically, so she she worked she like worked at 3:03:00.080 --> 3:03:03.440 the Cato Institute, which is like Murray Rothbart and Charles Cokes. 3:03:03.520 --> 3:03:06.720 Now it's it's yeah, it's it's it's basic. It's basically 3:03:07.080 --> 3:03:09.240 this is a slight oversupplication, but it's basically one of 3:03:09.240 --> 3:03:12.720 the Cokes sort of like money laundering like money operation things. 3:03:12.879 --> 3:03:16.959 She also worked at Freedom Works, who yeah, yeah this 3:03:17.040 --> 3:03:18.800 is great. So um this is this is one of 3:03:18.840 --> 3:03:21.320 the fun parts of this, which is that so Freedom 3:03:21.320 --> 3:03:23.720 Works is another one of the Coke's sort of dark 3:03:23.760 --> 3:03:27.880 money laundering machine things and freedom Works are basically the 3:03:27.879 --> 3:03:29.960 people who created the Tea Party. Like there are the 3:03:29.959 --> 3:03:32.279 people who turned the Tea Party from like a bunch 3:03:32.280 --> 3:03:36.960 of weird guys, like like six weirdos into like, you know, 3:03:37.040 --> 3:03:40.840 the basically the the the the entirety of the pre 3:03:40.920 --> 3:03:43.959 Trumps conservative political machine who like built a publican party 3:03:43.959 --> 3:03:46.480 after it was like completely discredited um in the the 3:03:46.560 --> 3:03:49.879 two thousand's. And this is true of a lot of 3:03:49.920 --> 3:03:52.320 the people who are in charge of these big organs 3:03:53.160 --> 3:03:56.040 have connections like this, um the person you found in 3:03:56.120 --> 3:04:00.680 No Left Turn, which is No Left Turn you knowe 3:04:00.680 --> 3:04:02.400 for an education. They're they're they're They're not one of 3:04:02.400 --> 3:04:04.160 these big sort of anti school board things. I mean 3:04:04.200 --> 3:04:06.080 they they're the people. They're one of people who like 3:04:06.120 --> 3:04:07.800 they have a list of books on their website that 3:04:07.800 --> 3:04:12.080 they want banned. Wow, yeah, it's great. And their founder 3:04:12.720 --> 3:04:16.119 rights for the heritage foundations like magazine. So they're there. 3:04:16.160 --> 3:04:19.000 There's there's all of this stuff. And I think maybe 3:04:19.040 --> 3:04:21.080 the most implematic one is this guy is Mark Ruffo 3:04:21.200 --> 3:04:25.440 who Rufo. Yeah, so so he's he's the guy who 3:04:25.520 --> 3:04:28.040 just created the whole critical race theory thing out of nothing. 3:04:28.560 --> 3:04:32.520 He like threw together a bunch of like in just 3:04:32.560 --> 3:04:36.360 like these incredibly tenuous connections, Like there's a bunch of 3:04:36.360 --> 3:04:41.680 sort of old cultural Marxism conspiracy stuff in there. Yeah, 3:04:41.720 --> 3:04:45.039 it's a lot of like Frankfurt's school type ship. Yeah. Yeah. 3:04:45.120 --> 3:04:47.280 And and but but what I think is interesting about him, 3:04:47.320 --> 3:04:51.560 it's less his ideas, which are just pseudo intellectual. Yeah, 3:04:51.560 --> 3:04:54.080 he doesn't he's not actually super smart in what he 3:04:54.120 --> 3:04:56.039 says that there's a lot of videos of him talking 3:04:56.040 --> 3:04:59.320 to actual philosopher is getting schooled about what race theory is. 3:04:59.640 --> 3:05:01.760 Like he's he's actually not that intelligent in this, in 3:05:01.800 --> 3:05:04.080 this side of things. But but you know that the 3:05:04.080 --> 3:05:06.640 thing is that there's nothing more dangerous than an idiot 3:05:06.640 --> 3:05:09.000 with a trick up his sleeve exactly. And you know, 3:05:09.040 --> 3:05:12.160 and then the trick basically is Fox News. And you know, 3:05:12.160 --> 3:05:14.360 the reason the reason this whole thing exists is that 3:05:14.440 --> 3:05:18.560 this was you know, Mark Ruffo, He's very very explicit 3:05:18.600 --> 3:05:20.520 about this, that this this this was his solution to 3:05:20.560 --> 3:05:24.080 the George Floyd uprising was that, oh, we we need 3:05:24.080 --> 3:05:25.520 we need to we need to find this thing to 3:05:25.520 --> 3:05:27.680 stop the medicinum of this uprising. And this is this 3:05:27.720 --> 3:05:30.120 is who Tucker Carlson brings On and starts bring onwy 3:05:30.160 --> 3:05:32.560 and this blows up, and he immediately gets hired by 3:05:32.800 --> 3:05:35.240 the Manhattan Institute, which is a very not that old 3:05:35.240 --> 3:05:37.600 but they're from the eighties, but a very an old, 3:05:37.640 --> 3:05:41.000 extremely powerful conservative thing tank that I don't think. I 3:05:41.000 --> 3:05:43.840 think it's less known than things like the Heritage Foundation 3:05:44.240 --> 3:05:46.880 or the kid who wants to Yeah, I would say so, yeah, 3:05:46.920 --> 3:05:49.880 but he gets They hired him like immediately because you know, 3:05:49.959 --> 3:05:53.080 the sort of mainline at the Republican Party very quickly 3:05:53.280 --> 3:05:55.240 is like this is the thing that we can use 3:05:55.240 --> 3:05:58.000 as like a hammer, right, And so the Manhattan Institute 3:05:58.040 --> 3:06:01.680 publishes this group of work for them. Now I can't 3:06:02.560 --> 3:06:04.480 I'm not actually sure if you I don't know if 3:06:04.520 --> 3:06:07.160 he specifically wrote this or he was just involved in it. 3:06:07.560 --> 3:06:09.640 I think it's it's the Bye line is just the 3:06:09.640 --> 3:06:13.160 Manhattan Institute. But had they have this incredibly detailed tool 3:06:13.240 --> 3:06:16.520 kit explaining how you know, both both explaining what the 3:06:16.560 --> 3:06:20.720 sort of right wing like line on critical race theory is, 3:06:20.760 --> 3:06:22.240 and they have like a bunch of explainers, have like 3:06:22.360 --> 3:06:25.400 list of terms I have you ever seen yeah, yeah, 3:06:25.760 --> 3:06:27.440 it's actually yeah, if you've ever seen like list of 3:06:27.520 --> 3:06:29.440 terms of people want band like it's all just pulled 3:06:29.480 --> 3:06:32.840 from this document, right, so that add stuff. Um. But 3:06:32.840 --> 3:06:34.400 but the interesting part of about this is the other 3:06:34.440 --> 3:06:36.440 thing is this this is an organizing manual, right, It's 3:06:36.520 --> 3:06:38.400 it's a specific thing that tells you how to go 3:06:38.520 --> 3:06:40.880 and how to find other people, like other other people. 3:06:41.200 --> 3:06:43.000 You know, if if you're like an incensed right wing 3:06:43.200 --> 3:06:45.520 like freaking one of these school districts, it's like, okay, 3:06:45.520 --> 3:06:48.240 well here's here's how you like talk to other people 3:06:48.280 --> 3:06:50.879 in your districts. Here's here's a list of options of 3:06:51.000 --> 3:06:54.120 like things you can do going public. And then there's 3:06:54.120 --> 3:06:56.320 a very interesting thing part of this that that I 3:06:56.360 --> 3:07:00.760 think is really disturbing and outlines like really what's going 3:07:00.800 --> 3:07:03.640 on here, which is there's this whole like freak out 3:07:03.680 --> 3:07:06.480 thing about this thing called minority rule, where like, oh, 3:07:06.520 --> 3:07:08.879 the left has this like they have this like militant 3:07:08.879 --> 3:07:11.720 minority that that will compel the majority to follow them 3:07:11.840 --> 3:07:15.200 by because they keep on showing up, they keep on 3:07:15.240 --> 3:07:19.080 doing things. And if if this minority like it keeps 3:07:19.200 --> 3:07:22.680 keep keeps you know, being more in transient than everyone else, 3:07:22.720 --> 3:07:26.560 then they will inevitably win. And this the three quarters 3:07:26.560 --> 3:07:28.560 of this section is this like weird fear mongering thing 3:07:28.600 --> 3:07:31.080 about it. But then the last part of it is 3:07:31.120 --> 3:07:32.560 a bunch is the thing that's saying, oh, we need 3:07:32.600 --> 3:07:34.400 to do this ourselves, right, this is how we win. 3:07:34.480 --> 3:07:37.000 We win by being more in transient, win more often 3:07:37.120 --> 3:07:39.080 of course. Yeah, and you know, and this is this 3:07:39.120 --> 3:07:41.000 is the other thing is this is from like last year. 3:07:41.800 --> 3:07:46.280 I think this is like this summer. So yeah, okay, 3:07:46.320 --> 3:07:48.240 that's sorry. This is this is this is really this ship. 3:07:48.240 --> 3:07:51.440 But it's interesting because it's like this is the sort 3:07:51.480 --> 3:07:53.840 of you know, this, this is this is the Republican 3:07:53.920 --> 3:07:58.480 Party essentially, I mean the institute, very very mainstre Republican Party. This. Yeah, 3:07:58.480 --> 3:08:01.080 this is how the effective in person organizing. We we 3:08:01.080 --> 3:08:04.600 talked about this a bit in our episodes um about 3:08:04.760 --> 3:08:07.000 the like in the aftermath of the abortion ruling in 3:08:07.040 --> 3:08:09.440 Texas and how and how like the religious right ring 3:08:09.520 --> 3:08:12.480 organizing has worked in local districts. Yeah, this this is 3:08:12.520 --> 3:08:13.920 how they are able to get things done, which is 3:08:13.959 --> 3:08:15.879 why there's been so many school by members who either 3:08:15.920 --> 3:08:18.360 get fired, who have had to step down, who have 3:08:18.400 --> 3:08:21.320 been harassed off the job and are now there's people, 3:08:21.360 --> 3:08:23.400 you know, a lot of a lot of like people 3:08:23.440 --> 3:08:26.840 I would describe as people holding very extreme views are 3:08:26.879 --> 3:08:30.280 now running and taking these spots. Um because if you 3:08:30.320 --> 3:08:32.360 can do if you can do this type of like again, 3:08:32.400 --> 3:08:34.959 it's not grassroots, but it's it's it is it is 3:08:35.000 --> 3:08:37.360 like astroturp, so like it appears grassroots. But if can 3:08:37.400 --> 3:08:40.080 do this type of like faux grassroots organizing, you can 3:08:40.120 --> 3:08:42.320 gain a lot of power over specific areas and make 3:08:42.360 --> 3:08:45.080 a lot of people's lives a lot more miserable. And 3:08:45.080 --> 3:08:46.960 that's that's that's what the goal is, right, The goal 3:08:47.040 --> 3:08:49.520 is to make the trans kids lives miserable. The goals 3:08:49.520 --> 3:08:52.199 to get people to not wear masks and dive COVID 3:08:52.720 --> 3:08:55.920 like that those are the results of these actions. Well, 3:08:55.959 --> 3:08:59.400 I think I think there's an interesting interplace here, so 3:08:59.640 --> 3:09:02.440 because I think because so freedom works, like like even 3:09:02.520 --> 3:09:04.720 even a lot of the specific protests that are happening, 3:09:05.080 --> 3:09:07.359 and this is especially true of of the very earlier, 3:09:07.520 --> 3:09:10.000 earliest ones. I think, like when when like the very 3:09:10.120 --> 3:09:12.560 first school board protests that were happening, Yeah, like like 3:09:12.600 --> 3:09:15.440 a lot of these similar to follow was when they 3:09:15.480 --> 3:09:17.920 started to start up. Yeah, and and those a lot 3:09:18.000 --> 3:09:20.720 of those were directly organized by by people who work 3:09:20.760 --> 3:09:24.040 for Freedom Works. And and this is this is what 3:09:24.160 --> 3:09:26.120 a lot of the RT ones Yeah yeah, yeah, they 3:09:26.120 --> 3:09:28.720 see the R T one are ever very specifically freedom Works. 3:09:28.760 --> 3:09:30.200 And this is what I think is interesting about this 3:09:30.280 --> 3:09:32.640 is that you know, okay, freedom Works. It's like, okay, 3:09:32.640 --> 3:09:34.280 so what does freedom Works out of this? Freedom Works 3:09:34.280 --> 3:09:36.720 wants the T party again, right, because you know that 3:09:36.879 --> 3:09:38.640 this is this is what freedom Works does. Right there. 3:09:38.680 --> 3:09:40.720 They're they're they're basically the group that comes in when 3:09:40.800 --> 3:09:43.039 when the Republicans start losing election cycles. They're like, okay, 3:09:43.040 --> 3:09:44.920 well now we need to get the balance of power back. 3:09:44.959 --> 3:09:46.560 We need to bring drawn the Democrats out. So they're 3:09:46.560 --> 3:09:49.879 they're they're largely trying to build a sort of electoral base. 3:09:50.440 --> 3:09:52.160 And and again like this, this this will look familiar 3:09:52.160 --> 3:09:54.320 to people who remember two thousand and ten because it's 3:09:54.360 --> 3:09:58.320 the same thing except and this is the thing that 3:09:58.440 --> 3:10:00.000 I I I this is the part where I genuine 3:10:00.000 --> 3:10:03.920 and they can't tell whether the Freedom Works people, whether 3:10:04.000 --> 3:10:06.000 the Cokes, whether that whether this sort of dark whening 3:10:06.040 --> 3:10:09.080 network either I don't I can't tell whether they understand 3:10:09.080 --> 3:10:13.120 what they're doing and like it or they're just incredibly naive. 3:10:14.080 --> 3:10:16.480 But you know, this is not two thousand ten, right, 3:10:16.760 --> 3:10:21.280 you can't when when you start mobilizing people, like mobilizing 3:10:21.320 --> 3:10:23.119 people on the right wing to go to a place, 3:10:23.520 --> 3:10:25.920 they don't just like sit there and hold signs anymore. 3:10:26.360 --> 3:10:29.480 You cannot you cannot contain them at this point. You 3:10:29.520 --> 3:10:32.680 cannot control the spread like you have once you've you've 3:10:32.720 --> 3:10:35.040 opened this can, and there's no way of putting them 3:10:35.040 --> 3:10:37.320 back in because as soon as they start organizing on 3:10:37.320 --> 3:10:41.760 opposite telegram, they're one step away from skull masks. And 3:10:41.800 --> 3:10:44.480 then they're being okay with cheering around people that are 3:10:44.520 --> 3:10:46.240 going to go beat up that are going to go 3:10:46.320 --> 3:10:48.360 beat up people in these meetings. Yeah, and this is 3:10:48.400 --> 3:10:50.840 this is this is really the thing that I think 3:10:50.840 --> 3:10:52.360 it's not just January six that we live in the 3:10:52.400 --> 3:10:55.080 shadow January six, but it's also about you know, if 3:10:55.120 --> 3:10:58.959 you look at how how the anti lockdown protest went in, right, 3:10:58.959 --> 3:11:01.959 you a bunch people showing up with the capitals and 3:11:02.200 --> 3:11:05.040 that stuff was extremely effective. And that in the conformation 3:11:05.120 --> 3:11:08.400 between that in January six has you know, it's open 3:11:08.440 --> 3:11:12.279 the floodgates and now that was that was six being possible. 3:11:12.360 --> 3:11:15.440 Is the more and more protests around capitals of people 3:11:15.440 --> 3:11:18.360 showing up in mass to overwhelm anyone. And because they're 3:11:18.360 --> 3:11:20.480 all white, and because they're all like middle class conservatives, 3:11:20.520 --> 3:11:23.039 no one's gonna stop them. Yeah, and and you know, 3:11:23.040 --> 3:11:25.760 and this is the thing, right, you know, the Cokes. 3:11:27.879 --> 3:11:31.560 I I genuinely don't know what the Cokes want out 3:11:31.560 --> 3:11:33.080 of this. My guess is that the thing that they 3:11:33.120 --> 3:11:35.280 want is is a new based Republican voters. But that's 3:11:35.280 --> 3:11:36.920 not what they're creating. The thing that they're creating is 3:11:36.920 --> 3:11:40.440 a new core fascist street fighters. And ye, you know it. 3:11:40.920 --> 3:11:44.000 At some point, it doesn't it literally doesn't matter whether 3:11:44.080 --> 3:11:45.480 or not this is what the Cokes are trying to 3:11:45.520 --> 3:11:49.160 do or like not trying to do, because they're in 3:11:49.240 --> 3:11:51.600 the end it's it's just pushing people towards thinking there's 3:11:51.640 --> 3:11:56.000 no political solution. It's still only only violence and overwhelming 3:11:56.040 --> 3:11:58.160 people in mass is the only way to get the 3:11:58.240 --> 3:12:01.200 change that they want. The change they want is to 3:12:01.320 --> 3:12:05.640 have trans kids not exists. And yeah, just more more 3:12:05.680 --> 3:12:09.680 and more like fecistic policies. Um, whether that be you know, 3:12:09.800 --> 3:12:12.760 banning books that mentioned gay people existing or what it's 3:12:12.800 --> 3:12:15.680 like to be a gay person, whether that be teaching 3:12:15.760 --> 3:12:18.800 people that racism is still an actual thing that exists, 3:12:19.160 --> 3:12:21.600 or that be putting a masculine so you don't kill 3:12:21.720 --> 3:12:25.480 your grandma or whatever. Yep. Well, and you know, and 3:12:25.600 --> 3:12:27.320 I think I think one last thing, right, you know, 3:12:27.520 --> 3:12:30.720 we saw what happened last time they were in power, right, 3:12:32.240 --> 3:12:35.160 and it was you know, and like you can you 3:12:35.160 --> 3:12:37.120 can talk about how a lot of the worst stuff 3:12:37.160 --> 3:12:39.039 is still happening. Was like, yeah, they put a bunch 3:12:39.080 --> 3:12:43.280 of people in concentration camps, right, and if they if 3:12:43.320 --> 3:12:45.879 they take back power again, and there's a good chance 3:12:45.879 --> 3:12:48.600 that they're going to because you know, the Democrats are 3:12:48.640 --> 3:12:53.160 being they you know, the Democrats never want to be 3:12:53.200 --> 3:12:55.160 in power. The thing, they want to be a minority 3:12:55.200 --> 3:12:59.400 oppositions they can do fundraising, right and if you know, 3:12:59.480 --> 3:13:02.279 when when when these people, if these people take power again, 3:13:02.640 --> 3:13:05.119 it's going to be even worse than it was last time. Yeah. 3:13:05.120 --> 3:13:07.360 The thing looking at looking at the Virginia election, the 3:13:07.440 --> 3:13:09.720 night of recording is a great example of that. Yeah. 3:13:10.600 --> 3:13:12.480 Uh in terms of yeah, it turns out when democrats 3:13:12.480 --> 3:13:14.680 just do nothing and just sit around in office, you 3:13:14.680 --> 3:13:16.640 don't convince young people to want to vote for them 3:13:16.720 --> 3:13:18.760 because they're not actually doing anything. So then they just 3:13:18.840 --> 3:13:21.200 sit out then the Republicans actually do vote in people. 3:13:21.600 --> 3:13:26.280 Then we get uh we anti CRT person elected to 3:13:26.280 --> 3:13:33.400 be the governor of Virginia. And that's the episode. Good Times. Well, 3:13:33.480 --> 3:13:37.320 I hope everybody's optimistic feeling nice. Well, um, we'll be 3:13:37.360 --> 3:13:40.440 back with something else. Research your school boards, who is 3:13:40.480 --> 3:13:43.520 in it, and just protests around it and maybe show 3:13:43.600 --> 3:13:47.080 up with some of your I don't know buddies with 3:13:47.160 --> 3:13:49.480 your lattes and stand in front of the building and 3:13:49.560 --> 3:13:51.480 be like, no, we don't want you, we don't want 3:13:51.560 --> 3:13:53.600 you to shut stuff down because no one else is 3:13:53.600 --> 3:13:55.280 going to stop them. It has to be just like 3:13:55.400 --> 3:13:58.640 regular people. You can't it's not going to be any 3:13:58.760 --> 3:14:01.840 elected Democrats, and like, you can't rely on teens and 3:14:01.920 --> 3:14:04.320 black block to do this. That this isn't this isn't 3:14:04.440 --> 3:14:07.160 what they need to be doing. It should be like yeah, 3:14:07.160 --> 3:14:10.080 it'd be like millennials and Gen X need to be like, hey, no, 3:14:10.280 --> 3:14:14.360 we're not gonna We're not gonna have you doing this. 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