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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. They have said that already. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, too many mother fucking podcasts. But this

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Speaker 1: actually in the office right now. Maskless is a protest

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Speaker 1: against the mask man. Garrison. David, it's fine, it's fine, Garrison.

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Speaker 1: magic to protect myself. That's right, that's fine. You use

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Speaker 1: you got for me. We're doing We're doing the first

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Speaker 1: it could happen here Daily book episode excellent, um sexy

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Speaker 1: and so irotic. We were looking for for spooky content

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Speaker 1: find a book written by an unhinged like Christian writer

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Speaker 1: found one with very very little browsing. It took It

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Speaker 1: was very quick. It took me like five minutes. It

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Speaker 1: used to be you were too well, no, because you

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Speaker 1: of historical tidbits. So, yes, the words Sabbat in terms

423
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: of which is does come from does come from like

424
00:23:54,520 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: the Sabbath? Yeah, this actually probably comes from, uh, the

425
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: persecution of witches being heavily tied to anti Semitism in

426
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: the Middle Ages. So the first witch hunting book was

427
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: called The Hammer of the Witches um and it is Yeah,

428
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: And it is large port large portions of which are

429
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: plagiarized from a previous book called Hammer of the Jews.

430
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: The entire sections are copying, pasted, They just change the

431
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: word Jews to which you really had to put the

432
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: effort into plagiarism back then because your hand had not

433
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: like know, you're doing the whole thing yourself. This is

434
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: also where like a lot of like the pointy hat,

435
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: which stuff a lot of like the big nose with

436
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: like like like a really big nose, green oily skin like.

437
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: All the stuff kind of comes from anti Semitic tropes

438
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: because the persecution of Jews and the Semitism was heavily

439
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: tied to the persecusion of which is often one of

440
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: the same things. So when they would do so, then

441
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: when they would do Sabbath, they would they would say,

442
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: like they're doing like a Sabbat, they're going to they're

443
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: going to basically do like blood libel with children and

444
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: with the devil, which is what which is what a

445
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: lot of witches are about, like finding children and stuff,

446
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: because that it actually is tied to all the stuff. Now,

447
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we have to cancel witchcraft, which is

448
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: totally fine. You could do all this stuff. It is

449
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: really cool, but the or a lot of the origins

450
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: of which hunting is tied to these antis anti Semitic tropes. Um.

451
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: So anyway, she she goes to describe different like pagan

452
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: like festivals throughout the years um with like like Yule

453
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, Midsummer blah blah blah

454
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: blah blah. And the last one, the eighth one is

455
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: October three one, or Halloween, because she calls the the

456
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: unholy Satanic New year. Um. She says that the rights

457
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: and ceremonies and which Halloween was originally observed, had their

458
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: origin among the Druids. In the course of time, there

459
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: were added to them some of the rights, particular to

460
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: the Roman festival of Panama, which is which presided over

461
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: their harvests. November first among the Druids was the beginning

462
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: of the year and the festival of the Sun God.

463
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: They lighted fires in honor of their false god. They

464
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: believe that October thirty one the end of the old year.

465
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: The Lord of Death, which she puts in apprent this

466
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: is the devil. Oh good, I'm really, I'm really again

467
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: very appreciative of how of how clear her writing is.

468
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: So the Lord of Death gather gathered together all the

469
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: souls of the dead who had been allowed to enter

470
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: the body of another human being. The belief is that

471
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: the root this belief is the root of the false

472
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: belief and reincarnation. Now I did not fact fact check

473
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: any of this, so I have no idea how how

474
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: accurate these these claims are. For what she views as

475
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: the origin of Halloween. But I think they're pretty funny. Um,

476
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: I know, like there is Halloween, like Halloween kind of

477
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: traditions are are There is like stuff around this time

478
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: through a lot of like old pagan stuff. Like the

479
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: modern notion of Halloween is pretty pretty modern, like the

480
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: whole like tricker treating thing and all. Like the way

481
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: we modernly think of Halloween is pretty it's pretty new,

482
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: because I mean there was of course, like all Hallow's

483
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: Day or like All Saints Day and the evil which

484
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: other people would do Shenanigans, which is what we currently

485
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: have as Halloweens. That's the day before All Saints Day.

486
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: All Saints Day is November one. Um, Like, you know,

487
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: the modern notion of Halloween is not it's not super old.

488
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: So I'm not quite sure how tied these old harvest

489
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: festivals really are to our modern Halloween. That's something I

490
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: could look into later, but I just picked up this

491
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: book and I'm reading right from it because that's easier.

492
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, So she views Halloween now as like as

493
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: a pagan the pagan holiday. Um, this pagan festival, Halloween

494
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: is it broadly celebrated throughout the Christian nations as a

495
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: major holiday in America, Halloween has become a kind of

496
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: saturnalia for children, a night in which of the rules

497
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: are suspended and children venture out to demand streets and

498
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: certain reprisals against this dingy. Yeah, okay, I mean that

499
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: is a cooler way of looking at Halloween. If it

500
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: were literally the saturnality a children would actually take the

501
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: role of the parents and make decisions for the family

502
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: and demand Yeah, I mean parents would have to go

503
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: to school, kids would have to go to work. That

504
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: would actually be an incredible that would be. That would

505
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: be so many people would die in plane crash. It

506
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: would be especially if you enforced it, like you don't

507
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: have a choice your you are piloting the plane today

508
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other kids are getting on it

509
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 1: to go on work. So the kids on air traffic

510
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: control they don't know what they're doing either. Forcing all

511
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: of the soldiers out of the various countries we've put

512
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: them in and having like the children of Special Forces

513
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: guys conduct raids. In the media, it is pretty easy

514
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: for a kid to use an a K, so I

515
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: think it is a rs even easier. Yeah, it would

516
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: be funny. Yeah, A lot of people are not going

517
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: to have very successful heart surgeries that but it will

518
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: be very funny in like a cosmic sense. Increasingly and alarmingly,

519
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: this celebration is assuming dreadful expressions of evil and harmful

520
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: acts are perpetuated against the children themselves. In serious proportions.

521
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: The treats are increasingly found to contain drugs, poisons, razor blades,

522
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: and needles, ground grass, many other harms. Maybe she meant

523
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: weed or something. Oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't even

524
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: think of that, because that's like needles and grass. Yeah,

525
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: oh no, grass, So yeah, she she, she does seem really,

526
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: really really thrilled with this idea that the people are

527
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: giving out drugs, which, man, what a dream I wish um. Halloween,

528
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: like Christmas, is also highly commercialized and it's part of

529
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: a major money making event for the merchants, okay breaking

530
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: in at the present time, second only to Christmas in

531
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: that vein. Halloween is the Satanic New Year, and as

532
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: a celebration of the devil and is he's using the

533
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: world today to gain greater acceptance of the perversity as

534
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: he continues to proclamate his doctrine of demons, so that

535
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: that is fun um. Then She has a very small

536
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: section on Old World Halloween traditions, which I'm not going

537
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: to read tons of because again I don't know how

538
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: verified these things are, but I am going to read

539
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: like and she goes on to talk about like how

540
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: like the laws against witchcraft and like the six dres

541
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: and other stuff. Um she was, she was, but I do.

542
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: I will read just the first sentence of the Old

543
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: World Halloween Traditions section, Irish Traditions Devilition Origin. Yeah, here

544
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: that Irish We're coming for you. I don't bring it

545
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: on various methods of finding the future and Halloween we're

546
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: accepted as a tradition. So that that's really all I'm

547
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: gonna say, because I just love the line Irish Traditions

548
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: Devilish in Richard. Yeah, I mean that's I think every

549
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: Irish person I know would agree with that. That's really

550
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: all you gotta say. Yeah, oh man, it is it is. Wow,

551
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: what a what a book. It just keeps going on.

552
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: So she talks about like the basically like the people's

553
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: different Honestly, this section is not even tons about Halloween

554
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: and more about different people's belief in witchcraft. So like

555
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: she goes through like all the laws against witchcraft in Britain.

556
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: She goes against like she goes she she talks around

557
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: the witch trials in America, um saying that there were witches.

558
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: She doesn't talk about all the like, come on you coward. Yeah, uh,

559
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty she she has. It's a little bit

560
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: of I I am actually gonna read some of the

561
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: stuff on on on America. Belief in witchcraft was common

562
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: to the early settlers in America. But which is we're

563
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: charged with to make king wex and images of their

564
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: victims and causing their illnesses by sticking pins in the image,

565
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: or making by sticking pins in the image, or making

566
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: them waste away by melting the images before the fire.

567
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: This belief is held by the peoples of Africa as

568
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: well as other pagan people in a and widely varieting

569
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: in widely varying civilizations and localities. The early settlers do

570
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: not initiate this belief in America, but found it already

571
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: to be believed in the American Indians who populated this country.

572
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: So that that's her little section on that which is

573
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 1: I don't know, hashtag problematic, Yeah, would I would call

574
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: that slightly problemat I would call it slightly problems You

575
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: know what's not problematic, Garrison, the products and services that

576
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: are gonna hopefully sell candy to kids. We we guarantee

577
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: that less than a third of them are responsible for

578
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: the disappearance of a million children, million children. That's the

579
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: behind the bastards guaranteed less than a third of our

580
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: sponsors who are undocumented too, well, yeah, but which is

581
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: making them much more. It's likely much more. But anyway,

582
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 1: here's the ads, here's the ads. Ah, we're back, we

583
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: are all right. Bring it home, Garrison, bring it home.

584
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, she she does mention that the devil likes

585
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: to withhold the fact of existence of witchcraft, like the

586
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: devil likes to height. So most people kind of live

587
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: in the dark. Um, she says. Although the imps which

588
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: frolic on Halloween now are small children raping on doors

589
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: and gleefully receiving treats. Rapping on doors, wrapping doors, not

590
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: raping on doors. That's a very different, very different holiday. Well,

591
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: who knows, that might be Canadian things. That's Canadian Halloween,

592
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: the night which was formally accepted as the time when

593
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: witches met and demons in the form of ghosts and

594
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: ghouls who were likely to wander about has come to

595
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: be regarded a's a time of merrymaking and frolic. The

596
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: majority of people are so engaged and are unaware of

597
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: they satanic consultation of the magic oracles and the Covin's

598
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: and groves on this night. So consay, that's not how

599
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: you say it, Well, that's how I say. You just

600
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: you just got COVID on the brain. COVID is what

601
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: you call a coven that meets during COVID because they're

602
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: not properly socially distancing. All right, there we go. But

603
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: basically she thinks that basically these all of the witches

604
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: and magic doors are meeting, all these ghouls and Halloween

605
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: and people are unaware of this, extremely concerned that children

606
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: might like walk in on a ceremony and it didn't

607
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: get murdered. Very funny when you realize like how isolated

608
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: these people are from the real world because they've never

609
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: just like stepped outside during Halloween, not really like especially

610
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: I mean Halloween the two that's in six. I was

611
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: eighteen then, so maybe I'm wrong, but I think there was.

612
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't huge then, Like it's gotten kind of smaller

613
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: every year. The biggest fear back then was like traffic accidents. Yeah,

614
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: that's always the biggest. That's like the number one thing

615
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: every year. Thinking back on it, my parents shouldn't have

616
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: let me be a ninja as often as they did,

617
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: But I made it through. Yeah, it's like we're saying

618
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: so many the same words again that the most of

619
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: the book is. But Halloween Satan's New Year. Halloween has

620
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: a long and dark history of devilish traditions, which has

621
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: survived both Christianity and the science for two thousand years,

622
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: is to be considered the chief festival for the worship

623
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: of the devil, which begins his new year. Halloween and witchcraft,

624
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: or the means by which the devil seeks to reintroduce

625
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: the worship of old false gods by synthesis of polytheism

626
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: and feminism. Yeah, that's what Halloween issos and feminism, two

627
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: sides of the same devil coin. I love to worship

628
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: multiple gods and respect women. Just really, that is my

629
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: that's my way to spend a night with my ghoul friends. Incredible,

630
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: there's also a real here's a real here's a real

631
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: good quote. Um, there is no question of the existence

632
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: of modern witchcraft. It has been admitted. It has been

633
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: admitted of by thousands upon thousands worldwide and growing rapidly

634
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: in the Western countries, particularly America. The word of God

635
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: makes it undeniably clear that witchcraft is a real It

636
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: has existed at least six thousand years, and it still

637
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: exists today. Oh good, Yeah, that's good. Six thousand years

638
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: going good. Good for happy six thousands. I just like that,

639
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: she add so that it's a better around for all

640
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: these six happy six thousands, six six thousand years witchcraft on.

641
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm guessing because it's the new year, this is also

642
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: the birthday of witchcraft. I mean also just the birthday

643
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: of the world. Because if the world as we know

644
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: was if if the world as we know it was

645
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: born when Eve ate the fruit and was Adam and

646
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: Eve went into the greater world, if that's like the

647
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: birth of Dawn, which has been here since the very beginning,

648
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: well since the beginning of like the fallen world, because

649
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: you have to assume that they had a hundred years

650
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: or so beforehand. It's real unclear this it depends on

651
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: what It depends on what denomination you're in and what

652
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: kind of theological viewpoint you have on whether there were

653
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: people outside the garden there as people who believe that

654
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: some people just don't um. That is up for debate

655
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: among different congregations. Yeah. So, and and the other thing

656
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: that she's really concerned with is that witchcraft is making

657
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: more people have sex because she she thinks that most

658
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: of witchcraft is practicing sexual orgies on quote every continent

659
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: of the world. Um. And that's what that's what that's

660
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: that's what black masses to her, So she is she

661
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: is very concerned. I mean, there's are in sometimes in

662
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: Black masses sexual elements to them that I hope. So

663
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: that is that it does sound much better. But she

664
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: she thinks that as another one of the main catalysts

665
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: of her being fearful of of paganism and witchcraft is

666
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: that is making more people have sex. Um. And again

667
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: she reiterates that this is just a new form of paganism,

668
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: saying that Satan's current day revival of paganism it's a

669
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: sure sign of Christ's second coming, and it's it's pretty good.

670
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: And this this is the section where she where she

671
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: complains that magic doesn't use the Bible, even though previously

672
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: she said that white magic does because some magic, some

673
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: which is drawn other false religions such as the Kabbala,

674
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: uh Sufism, or various Eastern religions, but never the Holy Bible,

675
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: the Word of God, or is employed in their beliefs

676
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: or practices, except in a paradoxical counterfeit imaginative magic, rites

677
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: and rituals performed in the in the Covin's in the

678
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: initiation of the converts and their celebrations of Halloween and

679
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: other Satanic spots. So that's that's that's that's what she

680
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: thinks I mean. But honestly, I'm pretty sure it's it's

681
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: like the Shabbas. It's the Sabbath, it's the Sabba. I've

682
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: I've heard Covin and Sabbat in the starr. Alright, alright,

683
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: let's have let's have a debate everyone everyone at no,

684
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: don't don't do that. Um. She also claims that this

685
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: is this is this is very exciting. Several universities in

686
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: America offer a bachelor's degree in magic. I was unaware. Oh,

687
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: I would love a bat unaware of because this will

688
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: read now, well, this will make me consider going to college.

689
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Now a bachelor's degree? Is that A a B A

690
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: or is that a BS like? Is that like is

691
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: it a Bachelor of Arts or of science? And really

692
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: that's a that's a key question about the school match

693
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: match magic is both in our na science. So yeah,

694
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: well that's why I'm wondering. And she doesn't say, she

695
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: doesn't say what university she claims does this. I mean,

696
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to open a witchcraft store, so I

697
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: may go back to get a b A in or

698
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: a BS in witchcraft along with my m F A M.

699
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: What's the business thing? What they don't I don't want

700
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: to fill it in with the acronym from the business degree.

701
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Whatever you get. I don't know. We I dropped out

702
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: of college. Garrison hasn't gone. Yeah, I went. I went

703
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: to film school. That doesn't count though it doesn't. It

704
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: absolutely does not. Um. Yeah. And then in this last

705
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: section she really ties modern witchcraft to the rise of

706
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: feminism UM, specifically starting in the sixties. She says the

707
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: pre eminence of the goddess and witchcraft hasn't made an

708
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: attractive to some feminists. In ninety eight, which the woman's

709
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell as an incredible acronym great

710
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: acronym Amazing was founded as a political protist group who

711
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: who per purport, who purportedly justified their name as mere

712
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: jest ah. It is what a what a good name

713
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 1: which women international quite an exciting, quite an exciting back

714
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: when we could have fun and activism. That does sound amazing.

715
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: Many of the members of this feminist movement are unaware

716
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: of the cultural movement within the political and many are

717
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: are more and many more are entirely unaware of the

718
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: spiritualist movement within the cultural moment. So a whole bunch

719
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: of weird stuff around, how which is are using political

720
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 1: feminism to inject cultural feminism, to inject cultural witchcraft into

721
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: the mainstream. This is all what the goal of feminism is,

722
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: um so yeah, and she has this whole whole pair

723
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: of feminist feminist witches. Feminist witchcraft is at present the

724
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: most rapidly growing segment in the Witchcraft revival. And it

725
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: is from the spiritual core at the heart of the

726
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: feminist movement that the political and philosophical women's rights tenants

727
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: as a whole emerge. To name what to name one

728
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: such tenant the rights to abortion, or more correctly phrased,

729
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: the might the rights to murdered children not yet born.

730
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: This this coincides with the which is present ritual practice

731
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: of murdering children already born. So she thinks that abortion

732
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: is just a way for which is to speed up

733
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: the ritual process. Yeah, that is what that is her

734
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: that that's her main bomb at the That sounds that

735
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: sounds accurate. Yeah, um, she doesn't. Just have a great

736
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: section describing the different tools which is used. Um, and

737
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: and an athlete. A phallic penis symbol of the liberated, unbridled,

738
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: unlawful sex represents the power of self will. It's pretty

739
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: pretty good. Sexual symbols are common in witchcraft, and which is,

740
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: are unrepressed by God's mortal law in their sexuality. Their

741
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: use of sex symbols is rooted in paganism. So again,

742
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: she's very scared that people are having sex and enjoying it,

743
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: specifically women. She's very scared that women are having sex

744
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: and enjoying That sounds right. I hate it when the

745
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: people pushing this line are themselves women, But it does.

746
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a huge part of the evangelical propaganda movement. Yeah,

747
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: see a bunch of ship, Margaret Atwood wrote. You know,

748
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: now she gets to describe some some of the coolest

749
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: parts here. A typical which is Sabbath celebration will have

750
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: a sky clad parenthesis, nude penthis which is gathered in

751
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: an isolated place, a grove of trees, if possible, around

752
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: an altar which holds an icon or statuary of a

753
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: false goddess and or God's, and candles for fire, a

754
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: child's for water or wine, a container of salt and

755
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: a container for earth rather than the bread, and a

756
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: sword or a wand which sounds amazing to just have

757
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of naked which is in the forest

758
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: around a ritual altar fire. This sounds like the best

759
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: best time ever. It does sound like a good Saturday night.

760
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: This does sound like it goes who knows, we can?

761
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: We can, we can get wild? So yeah. She goes

762
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: in to describe what she thinks magical rituals are and

763
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: different things that she could do again. She is very concerned.

764
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: Ritual sex is engaged into intensify the magical power raised

765
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: in the cone of power Wheels of the coffin Witches

766
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: is symbolized with the code shaped hats see the typical

767
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: pictures of which is in literature. Are you fucking kidding me?

768
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: Because nobody wearing one of those hats has ever gotten fucked.

769
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: I feel confident say I wear that hat. All right,

770
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Let's let's move forward, Garrison. That's not fair, allegedly, let's

771
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: move forward. The Cone of Power. M hmm. Yeah, the

772
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: Cone of Power is incredible after raising, and it is phallic,

773
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: so it must be for fucking after the raising and

774
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: release of the Code of Power, a ritual COVID communication

775
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: with cakes and wine which the priestess or priest has

776
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: consecrated by dipping into the childe touching the cakes with

777
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: other unholy tools are passed on from a kiss from

778
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: the priestess to the priest. Um. Basically, this just sounds

779
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: like a fun time. Um. Yeah, but I do love

780
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: the Cone of Power, which I have not read in

781
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: any other magic book. No, I have not ever heard of.

782
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: I've read a decent amount and I've never heard of

783
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: the Cone of Power. Yeah, that feels like pure her.

784
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: That feels like somebody who's deeply sexually frustrated. It's kind

785
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: of shape like a dick and being like, that's got

786
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: to be push poor lady for her. Then she she

787
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: has a small section on Satanism, particularly like the iron

788
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: Ran the version of Satanism. So I'm not even gonna

789
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: get into that. I find that boring and it doesn't matter,

790
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: and and and and she even says that these Satanists

791
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: don't believe in an actual devil a little. They just evil.

792
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: So I'm not even gonna bother with this section because

793
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: it's just talking about the dumb iron Rand version of Satanism.

794
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: And I don't care about that. Um, if you like it,

795
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean whatever. It has anarchistic stuff kind of, but

796
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: it's also very randy and and it has it has

797
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: a lot of like, not great stuff either. I don't

798
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: I it's fine and all it all is more effort

799
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: than I want to put into thinking about the universe.

800
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: And then I think, I think this this could be.

801
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: I think this is our last, our last paragraph favorite.

802
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: This section is called titled the End of the Witches, Witches,

803
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: our children of the Devil, the end of the Witches. Sorry,

804
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: there's the witches, definitely before their adulterous altars, at their

805
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: depraved spots where they eat and drink and play their

806
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: gross music and sing and dance, naked and shameless and corrupt,

807
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: and defile themselves and desecrate God's holy Sabbath, shall surely

808
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: be accomplished by God, who will put them, who'll put

809
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: them to death and cut off their souls forever among

810
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: his children. So that's that's the end of the Witches. Everybody,

811
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna be dancing naked shamelessly, like having like an

812
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: undeniably good time being able to dance naked and listening

813
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: to gross music and singing, what a time. Sounds like

814
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: the ideal weekend and then and then God will put

815
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: us to death and then does sound a little bit

816
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: like our last weekend. But it was very cold, so

817
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: people were wearing Yeah, so very happy with the weather.

818
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: That is that is that is most of that is

819
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: most of the good parts of the book. Again, it

820
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: gets two hundred pages. Yeah, it's a nice breezy read.

821
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Grab it you know this weekend. It's only ten bucks

822
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: on Amazon. What a deal? What a steal? Yeah, And

823
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: it is fun that she she does, Um, there is

824
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: one there is one section where she like outlines what

825
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: all she thinks like magic is like all like all

826
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: of like the different groups. She puts them into a

827
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: really nice little package. But I don't think I can

828
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: find that because again there's two hundred pages and I

829
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: did not mark off that section. But I think I

830
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: think we decently got the gist of the main main

831
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: parts of this book. Um. Again, most of it is

832
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: just her talking about Jesus. Yeah, that sounds right, and

833
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: and and the Christian soul. Um. But the one which

834
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: which is of indoor section is pretty good and honestly

835
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: worth the read. So that is my first book report

836
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: for it could happen here. All of you Satan's New

837
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: Year beloved children, enjoyed this this this book and are

838
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: are properly warned about the dangers of witchcraft which is

839
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: coming to make your children have a pretty red time.

840
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna dance in the woods listening to gross music.

841
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: So I hope everyone on this Halloween danced in the

842
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: woods listening to gross music. I hope those of you

843
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: who climactically could did so naked. Um. I hope none

844
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: of you got hit by cars while dressed as Ninja's

845
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: and I I also hope that most of you weren't

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Speaker 1: out trick or treating, because I think the average age

847
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: of our listeners is sometime in the mid twenties. That

848
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: would be a little bit of a little awkward, a

849
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: little bit weird, but hey whatever, it's your life, your thing,

850
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: do you think. Hello everyone, Garrison here just going to

851
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: be adding in one quick correction for our Halloween Satan's

852
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: New Year episode. So towards the end we made some

853
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: assumptions about the the Code of Power which were apparently incorrect.

854
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: So the Code of Power does actually seem to be

855
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: a thing inside ritual magic Um, but particularly Wicka. So

856
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm not super familiar with Wicka. This is not this

857
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: is not my system of choice, so I was unaware

858
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: that this is actually a thing. But apparently apparently it is.

859
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: It is. It is a method for centering or directing

860
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: or like raising energy. Um, well it is. It is

861
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: less tied to the witches had though, so that part

862
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: is is more um made up. I cannot find much

863
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: tying the Cone of Power directly to like the cone shape,

864
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: which is hats. This is mainly an invention of of

865
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: of Doctor Billy from at least from from what I

866
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: can tell. But apologies for assuming that the Cone of

867
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: Power was completely made up and when in fact it

868
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: is a part of Wicka. So so sorry, sorry to

869
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: the Wickans and the more proper witches. For that, for that,

870
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: for that gross assumption on mine and Robert's part. Anyway,

871
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: this wraps up our Spooky week of content. I hope

872
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: you had a good Halloween. This episode should be releasing

873
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: on Halloween itself, so I hope you are having or

874
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: had a good time, and hopefully you were able to

875
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876
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: So goodbye everybody, see you on the other side, and

877
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: hopefully we can do Spooky Week again next year. Good Bye.

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00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: After thirty years, it's time to return to the halls

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Speaker 1: of West Beverly High and hang out at the peach pit.

880
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: On the podcast nine O two one, OMG joined Jenny

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Speaker 1: Garth and Tori Spelling for a rewatch of the hit

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904
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905
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907
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908
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909
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923
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Speaker 1: a podcast about well, mostly it's about how things are bad,

924
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: but it is also sometimes about what you can do

925
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: about it. And today we have two people who are

926
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: in fact doing things about it. So with me, we

927
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: have a Bro and Janine who are part of the

928
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: Common Humanity Collective, which is a mutual a group out

929
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: of California um clogen Club. Bro how how are how

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00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: are you t doing today? Doing well? Thank you? Doing

931
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: pretty good? Thank you. So yeah, we wanted to have

932
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: you too on to talk about basically your mutual aid

933
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: work and then also the sort of political aspect of

934
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: that because I know about something YouTube and wanting to

935
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: talk about that. I've ever read the media coverage of it,

936
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: in it does not ever make it into the interviews.

937
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess, I guess to start. So you

938
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: two started doing mutual aid stuff with with this group,

939
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: specifically around the beginning of the pandemic, as I understand,

940
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: you know what, can you walk us through how it

941
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: started and what you guys are up to? Absolutely, and

942
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to trace out the different stages

943
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: of this work because it's very much bean a kind

944
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: of evolution. So let me go back to the very

945
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: very early days, and this is really the first day

946
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: of lockdown UM in the Bay area where we live.

947
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm a PhD student at UC Berkeley and UM. As

948
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: COVID was spreading from the east coast to the west,

949
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: we knew that things would quickly get shut down in California,

950
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: UM and there was someone in my lab, a good

951
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: friend named h Yvonne and she and I just quickly

952
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: realized that this pandemic was going to hit UM. Given

953
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: the sort of crumbling public health infrastructure, the poorest among us,

954
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: the elderly, this possessed UM, these people would be vulnerable.

955
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: And as PPE just completely disappeared from store shelves, these

956
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: people UM, especially those living in cramped housing conditions, those

957
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: with essential work, UH, those in nursing homes just would

958
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: not have access to UM the tools they needed to

959
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: protect themselves from this disease. UM. And in the very

960
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: early days, when we thought that the stuff was transmitted

961
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: via surfaces, UM, all of the attention was focused on

962
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: handwashing hand sanitizer. The problem was you couldn't even find

963
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: hand sanitizer anywhere. So here we were in our labs

964
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, our few moths weren't being used

965
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: and everyone was getting sent home. UM and UH we

966
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: realized that we could pull ethanol from the scientific re

967
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: agent supply chains and stir up some hand sanitizer ourselves

968
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: in lab and distribute it UM just two homeless shelters

969
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: to people who needed it in the city, etcetera. UM.

970
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: So this began as a very sort of low key

971
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: quiet under the cover UM effort and UM. You know,

972
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: we didn't have a name. We didn't even know what

973
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: mutual aid was. I think we were just following our

974
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: basic instincts UM. And fast forward a week or two

975
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: and suddenly a whole lot of people got involved. UM.

976
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: We had this elaborate distribution infrastructure which started sort of

977
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: self assembling. UM. Lots of people came to find ways

978
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: of getting the sanitizer to everyone who needed it. In

979
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: the meantime, we realized that as the demand was enormous,

980
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: we need to come up with ways of procuring the

981
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: supplies UM and mixing it at scales that we didn't

982
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: have to turn anyone down. So we called upon lots

983
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: of different labs on campus and asked him if they

984
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: could do this, if they could shift some of their

985
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: discretionary funds towards getting these chemicals. UM. And you know again,

986
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: within a few weeks after that, we were mixing hundreds

987
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: of gallons of hand sanitizer and delivering it to absolutely

988
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: everyone who needed it. My phone was just getting UH

989
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: called NonStop from the moment I woke up to when

990
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: I went to sleep, But I was forgetting to eat.

991
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: I was barely sleeping. UM, just responding to these cries

992
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: for help from all over the Bay area UM, and

993
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: in that time we met so many people UM and

994
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: we figured out how to do this work efficiently and effectively.

995
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: But also UM as the attention shifted from surface transmission

996
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: to aerosol transmission UM, everyone started realizing that, in fact,

997
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: masks were probably the primary way in which we protect

998
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: ourselves from the coronavirus UM. And that's when a good

999
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: friend of ours, Chris, who was a PhD student and

1000
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 1: he's now a post a brilliant, brilliant creative guy, came

1001
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: up with ways of actually making sub mic on masks

1002
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: out of just UH supply chains that weren't getting tapped UM.

1003
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: So initially these were shop towels, and then he started

1004
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: looking at NANI fiber material UM and he found ways

1005
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: of for around sixty cents making a mass that was

1006
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: basically the quality of an N ninety five mass that

1007
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: could be made in just a few minutes at home. UM.

1008
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: And so we suddenly just integrated that whole effort into

1009
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: our own and started just recruiting volunteers, sharing all of

1010
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: our resources and UM this large assembly network of these

1011
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: little pods situated all across the Bay Area, each of

1012
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: them with the team lead, with a little army, a

1013
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: battalion of assembly volunteers and dedicated drivers were just making

1014
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: thousands of these mass every week, which we were then

1015
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: distributing through the the distribution infrastructure that we had uh,

1016
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: sort of put together earlier on in the pandemic. And

1017
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: so we found ourselves and this was still very much

1018
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: at a time when you couldn't even find cloth masks

1019
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: or surgical masks and shops, we found ourselves astonishingly being

1020
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: the primary source of this essential ppe for tens and

1021
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people in the Bay Area. And

1022
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: as we werecovered in the early days by the Chronicle

1023
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: in the l A Times, loads of people started joining

1024
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: the volunteer network, we started getting donations, and uh, that

1025
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: was the earlier stage of what we did, and I'll

1026
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: pass it on to Jinine to talk about what we

1027
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: did next. Yeah, So, kind of, as UM Common Humanity

1028
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: Collective was working on this project, m up Bar, myself

1029
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: and a couple other folks started adopting kind of a

1030
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: Democratic Socialists of America or East by d S a

1031
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: side of what was happening UM. And through this project,

1032
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: our intent was to UM, have a little bit more

1033
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 1: political education and think really critically about how we could

1034
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: make this true mutual aid, whichever and I have learned

1035
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: is really really difficult to do offecially under capitalism. UM.

1036
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: And so, because we started this project around December, so

1037
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: kind of the height of the pandemic, we wanted to

1038
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: make it accessible for people who were really COVID cautious UM.

1039
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: And so we would assemble kits of masks in a

1040
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: park with a couple of folks outside, and then we

1041
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: would drive these kits to people's homes and get on

1042
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: zoom UM. And we would have a breakout room for

1043
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: people to learn how to make masks. UM. People oftentimes

1044
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: people who had only come to the build a couple

1045
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: of times started teaching new folks how to build these masks.

1046
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: And in the other room, we were doing readings. UM.

1047
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: We were reading you know, Pannic Cook and Jane macklew

1048
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: e side by side talking about you know, trade unions

1049
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: and solidarity unionism. We were reading about tenant organizing. UM

1050
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: A bar do you want to talk about Rosa Luxemburg

1051
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: a little bit? Yeah, I mean it was an amazing thing.

1052
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: We were trying to sort of expand our own political consciousness,

1053
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: and we did things like host a three part series

1054
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: just discussing, examining, analyzing the political theory of Rosa Luxembourg UM.

1055
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: And we had huge participation. And this was at a

1056
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: time where in our d SA chapter UM and many

1057
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: of the different committees, people were panicking because no one

1058
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: was showing up UM. And yet we found an enormous

1059
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: number of people joining our effort in these discussions were

1060
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: so energetic and so enthusiastic UM. And you know, this

1061
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: was a lonely time. It was a difficult time, and

1062
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: people seemed to find something and what we were doing.

1063
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: What do you think about that, Jim? Yeah, and I

1064
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: think you know, not only were people coming and participating, right,

1065
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: we had high school students, We had people who had

1066
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: dedicated the pandemic to reading political theory, right, and so

1067
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 1: you have this huge breath of knowledge. We have more

1068
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: liberal people joining. We have like anarchists and communists right,

1069
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: like all in this space that are actually talking together.

1070
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: And what was so empowering to me was everyone felt

1071
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: like they could speak. We had people that were really

1072
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: introverted UM then in the beginning didn't talk at all,

1073
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: slowly start to open up. We had high schoolers asking

1074
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: really incredible questions, right, like is revolution even possible right now? Um?

1075
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: And kind of getting into some of this. And I

1076
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: think one of the most impactful things was that we

1077
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: had these calls from seven to nine at night, and

1078
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: after that we had what we called late night, where

1079
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: folks would stay on till like twelve at night and

1080
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: talk to each other. And in this time of like

1081
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: isolation and depression, I don't think anyone that I know

1082
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: at least was having a good time in December, January, February, right,

1083
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: people were coming together on Zoom and actually staying on

1084
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: Zoom after what we were doing to feel some type

1085
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: of camaraderie, to feel like they were part of a community, um.

1086
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: And we were able to actually create that space. And

1087
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: I think that that was something that to me was

1088
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: really incredible. UM. And I think, you know, framing this

1089
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: also from the George Floyd protests that happened over the

1090
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: summer and thinking you know, more about abolition, right, thinking

1091
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: more about community building. I don't think you can truly

1092
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: or I can't imagine the future without the prison industrial

1093
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: complex that doesn't involve communities of care, that doesn't involve

1094
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: giving people both the resources and the like love that

1095
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: they need to be able to not be pushed into

1096
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: situations where they have to commit crimes, and also having

1097
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: accountability amongst each other. Um. Not to mention, right, this

1098
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: work is really really hard. People burn out. Like we

1099
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: are exhausted to be able to create a space where

1100
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: everyone cares for each other. We're checking in with each

1101
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: other where you know, in the beginning of this virtual

1102
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: Mask Builds, I think, you know, a bar, myself and

1103
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: a couple other folks were doing the majority of the

1104
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: work and by the end we were doing none of it.

1105
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: We had like been able to reallocate those tasks, we

1106
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: had been able to develop leaders, and we had essentially

1107
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: organized ourselves out of a job, which to me is

1108
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: like the organizer's dream, right, Like that's what you really

1109
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: want to see happen um. And so that's kind of

1110
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: what was happening on the production side of the Mask Builds.

1111
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: On the distribution side, again, we're thinking, how can we

1112
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: actually make this true mutual aid um And so we

1113
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: started to partner with Tank Tenant and Neighborhood Councils, which

1114
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 1: is one of the main tenant groups in the Bay

1115
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: Area UM and working with them to go to food

1116
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: banks right, places where people are generally low income, where

1117
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: they might not be able to have the resources to

1118
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: get masks, and we're distributing masks asking them, are you

1119
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: having trouble with your rent or your landlord? Right? The

1120
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: goal in this is to give people the tools to

1121
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: organize around issues that are deeply pertinent and urgent to them,

1122
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: especially with an impending fiction moratorium right. And so UM

1123
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: we learned a lot through this. We went to a

1124
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: lot of different food banks we found um you know,

1125
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: some of them were places where people primarily spoke Cantonese

1126
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: and Mandarin, and so we you know, used our networks

1127
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: again that we had created through this project, these relationships

1128
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: of trust to find people that spoke Mandarin and we're

1129
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: willing to come out um and talk with folks. UM.

1130
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: We found people that spoke Spanish that we're willing to

1131
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: come out and talk with folks. And we started to

1132
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: develop relationships at these food banks where we were able

1133
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: to distribute masks to people, talk to them, understand what

1134
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: issues they were having, UM, and invite them to come

1135
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: to meetings where they could actually get their resources to

1136
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: try and tackle some of these issues that they're facing abroad.

1137
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: You have more to add on the mass project. Yeah,

1138
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: I think it's worth saying that. Um, we're all very busy.

1139
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm a PhD student. While we were doing this work, Um,

1140
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, in d s A, I was teaching a

1141
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: class and I was doing research, and Janine is a

1142
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: extremely busy union organizer. Um. And normally, you know, we'd

1143
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: come home after work and be absolutely exhausted. Um. And

1144
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: this was very tiring, but we felt somehow energized, We

1145
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: felt driven to do this, and we found that lots

1146
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: of the other people who participated were also busy with

1147
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: their jobs and yet would make time to do this.

1148
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: And Um, in terms of our actual practice, in terms

1149
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: of trying to develop the political dimension of the distribution

1150
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: aspect of our mutual aid, there was a con an

1151
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 1: interplay between what we were reading and what we were practicing.

1152
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: So as we began working with this Radical Tenant Organizing

1153
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: Group tank that Jinin mentioned, whose aim is to give

1154
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: tenants the tools to form tenant councils and tenant unions

1155
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: in order to use tools such as rent strikes to

1156
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: rebalance power between themselves and their landlords and real estate companies, etcetera. UM.

1157
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 1: During that time, during our mask builds, we would then

1158
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: go and read articles in newspaper clippings from you know,

1159
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: early twentieth century, when there were examples of you know,

1160
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: twenty year old factory girls in Lower Manhattan organizing groups

1161
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: of apartment buildings to go on rent strike, you know,

1162
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: ten thousand families in one case, to go on rent strike.

1163
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: These incredible, deeply inspiring stories UM where people uh suddenly

1164
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: became uh subjects of history and not merely objects. And

1165
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: I think part of what sustained our own work in

1166
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: this group was some uh similar feeling and UM at

1167
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: the same time when we were trying to imagine future

1168
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: beyond capitalism, we were looking at moments when that future

1169
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: seemed within reach, and so we were studying, for example,

1170
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: Paris in ninety, which is a moment within many people's

1171
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: living memory, all although not our own, UM, and studying

1172
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: how it was that these protests began with the student

1173
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: movement and then spilled out into these massive strikes and

1174
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: all the sort of self activity that emerged from that,

1175
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: and there was such a wide, wide breath of people

1176
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: who came to these builds. There were people as young

1177
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: as high schoolers, were also much older people in their

1178
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties. And when we were having this discussion,

1179
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: someone who lived through the sixties and witnessed these things

1180
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: very up close came to talk about Paris in nineteen

1181
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: sixty eight and shared the wealth of his own experience.

1182
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: And again, all of this was driving what we were

1183
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: actually doing with our hands, what we were doing on

1184
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: the streets, what we were doing at these food bank lines, UM.

1185
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: And so it was very critical that everything we were

1186
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: reading was somehow feeding into our practice. Yeah, and I think,

1187
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, we had over a hundred people participate in

1188
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: these masks builds, and I think one of the things

1189
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: that I really took away from this is again, people

1190
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: were craving that community, They were craving relationships, and people

1191
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: came back because they felt that in this group UM.

1192
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: And that translated also as we transitioned, right, we had

1193
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: built a culture of friendship and of caring for each

1194
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: other that people wanted to continue working on this, They

1195
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: wanted to continue to be a part of this project.

1196
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: As we transitioned UM to building air purifiers, right as

1197
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: the UM you know, vaccines became more prevalent masks were

1198
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: still being worn, but to a lesser degree UM and

1199
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: we started turning to fire season UM as these disasters

1200
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: right continued to strike with actually with climate change only

1201
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: getting worse and worse. One of the things that I

1202
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: think is really powerful about mutual aid and is really

1203
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: powerful about communities is that these disasters have been happening

1204
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: and continue to happen at a greater and greater frequency.

1205
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: And I think what I've learned from looking at you know,

1206
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: the heat waves that recently took many lives across the

1207
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, the um really really freezing temperatures that happened

1208
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: in Texas about a year ago, and especially COVID, is

1209
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: that you know, the government, local or federal is not

1210
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: stepping in to help people. Billionaires are not really stepping

1211
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: in to help people. It's really only communities and networks

1212
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: of relationships that are keeping people alive. And the only

1213
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: way you know, that we're going to get through this

1214
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: is through having those relationships, through understanding where people need support.

1215
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: And we started to do this with the distribution of masks,

1216
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: right is build relationships with community members in you know,

1217
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: fruit Vale and Oakland, which is not a large not

1218
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: a place that many people from d s A or

1219
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: from TANK are living currently, right and starting to build

1220
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: relationships with people that do need these resources in times

1221
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: of crisis, UM, so that we know where we can

1222
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: plug in and also build relationships amongst our fellow organizers

1223
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: so that we can support each other through these disasters. UM.

1224
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: And so as we transitioned to the air purifiers, we started,

1225
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about everything we have learned from the

1226
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: Mass project and kind of making that even bigger and better.

1227
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: And how can we you know, continue to take what

1228
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: we've learned and change it and turn it into something

1229
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: really really incredible. And UM, we you know Chris who

1230
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: Abar mentioned before, who came up with the masks, came

1231
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: up with a really incredible way to make air purifiers

1232
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: that like ridiculously efficient. UM. Is really really useful, especially

1233
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: for wildfire smoke, but also for just people with asthma.

1234
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of environmental pollution in the Bay area, right.

1235
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: These things can be used UM year round. And we

1236
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: began to build these air purifiers out of you know,

1237
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: box fans and he a filters UM with a shroud

1238
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: with weather stripping right to make the air like only

1239
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,839
Speaker 1: go through the fan to make it extremely efficient, and

1240
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: UM started to think about how can we make this

1241
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: like community aspect even bigger at least this is what

1242
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: I was thinking of because I had started to realize,

1243
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: right I think the only thing that we can rely

1244
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: on is each other right now, especially UM. And so

1245
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: we started bringing in a bunch of different groups to

1246
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: come to these builds. So we have you know, east

1247
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: By d s A. We started working really closely with

1248
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: Sunrise and developed a level of trust and reciprocity in

1249
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: that relationship that has you know, continued to be really

1250
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: beneficial to us UM and really helpful. We met amazing

1251
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: people that came out. You know, they've helped fundraise for

1252
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: US as our funding has gotten really really low because

1253
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: these air purifiers are not cheap those they are much

1254
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: cheaper than commercially available, but we're you know, giving them

1255
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: to folks for free because we want this to be

1256
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: mutual aid UM and so working with Sunrise, we're working

1257
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 1: with Asians for Black Lives UM, Berkeley, Mutual Aid MASK

1258
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: Oakland UM who both came out to our builds but

1259
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: also helped us distribute air purifiers to Reno and to

1260
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: places that had you know, a qu I s of

1261
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: five hundred right when fire season was so bad, when

1262
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: the smoke there was just like unlivable. UM. We were

1263
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: able to work with them to distribute these air purifiers

1264
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 1: where people really needed them most. UM. We were able

1265
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: to you know, continue to work with tank UM. Some

1266
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: folks from the i w W came out. We were

1267
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: able to distribute these air purifiers to the Sagorata Land Trust,

1268
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: which is UM a land trust that is run by

1269
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: Indigenous women UM and is working on essentially giving indigenous

1270
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,520
Speaker 1: land back to Indigenous people. We were able to distribute

1271
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: with critical resistance and amazing abolitionist groups started by Ruth

1272
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: Wilson Gilmore and Angela Davis in Oakland were to distribute

1273
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: UM to s r oh UM, a group that is

1274
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: working with UM low income Chinese immigrants in San Francisco

1275
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: who are generally living in single family homes right with

1276
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: really bad air quality. UM and work with like all

1277
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 1: of these different groups, you know, Berkeley Mutual Aid. We're

1278
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: pulling in people from just countless networks to come and

1279
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: build air purifiers together. UM. And we had you know,

1280
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: an ex black panther talking to someone from Sunrise from

1281
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: San Francisco, right, Like these just wild connections, um that

1282
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: are happening at these builds of people who are deeply

1283
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: political and people who are barely understanding, um, you know,

1284
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: what socialism means, but are wanting to come out and

1285
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 1: do something for their community. Um. And through these relationships

1286
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: and networks again, like we're able to hang out after

1287
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: the builds, people are able to enjoy themselves. Everyone said

1288
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: they were having a really fun time. Even though we

1289
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: were like literally doing work on a Saturday, people were

1290
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: still like, this is so fun. We had you know,

1291
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: people baking bread and like fruit tarts and cheesecakes and

1292
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: bringing it. We had so we had music. It was

1293
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: like a very fun atmosphere and environment. And despite the

1294
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: fact that you know, it was physical labor and it

1295
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: was taxing and a lot of times it was on

1296
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,839
Speaker 1: hot days. Um, people stayed for you know, four hours

1297
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: to help do this and to do this work because

1298
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: they cared, because they wanted to see, um, you know,

1299
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: what they could be able to do. And they also

1300
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: I think started to build relationships. UM. I know, you know,

1301
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: countless people talked to a bra and I and had

1302
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: no idea you know, we've known each other for less

1303
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: than a year now, UM, and they thought we'd known

1304
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: each other our whole lives. And I think that that

1305
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: really speaks, right. I think that speaks so much to

1306
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: the relationships that we've been able to build through this.

1307
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: And you know, I think a Bra and I have

1308
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: met countless people and have developed like an incredible community

1309
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: through this work. UM. That definitely helps me keep going.

1310
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: I would definitely not be able to continue to do

1311
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: this work if I couldn't, you know, call Librara. But

1312
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: nine PM and we talked for three hours and we complain,

1313
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: but we also talked through like what are we doing

1314
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: and how can it be better? And how can we,

1315
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, get through this roadblock UM. And I saw

1316
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: that in countless places UM. As we moved to our

1317
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: own distribution, so we're partnering with these organizations, but we're

1318
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: also doing our own distribution UM, which I think is

1319
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: like a huge experiment and how to actually do mutual aid,

1320
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: which UM is something that you know, when we talked

1321
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: to the organizers in our circles, we weren't finding answers too,

1322
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: and so we kind of realized like we just have

1323
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: to kind of try and figure this out. But we

1324
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: would go out and do these distributions and afterwards, you know,

1325
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: have lunch with people and talk to each other, like

1326
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 1: what could we do better? What are we doing wrong?

1327
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: Is this mutual aid? Like these are questions we're having

1328
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: right after we've been standing in the sun talking to

1329
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: people for three hours. Like the dedication of the people

1330
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: involved in this like of our said, most of us

1331
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: are working forty fifty sixty hour weeks and yet we're

1332
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: dedicating constant time during the week and at least one

1333
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: day every weekend to either distribut U Shoan or a

1334
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: build UM is incredible. I feel like incredibly honored to

1335
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: be able to work with the people that we've been

1336
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: working with UM. But in our distribution, we started thinking about,

1337
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: you know, how can we invite some of these people

1338
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: to come to our builds. Maybe that's the reciprocity. I

1339
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: think true mutual aid is really about believing that the

1340
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: people that were distributing to can also give back to us,

1341
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: rather than seeing them as like helpless UM. And so

1342
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: we continue to do some of our distributions with tank

1343
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: Um and actually we were able to do some of

1344
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: these distributions in a way that helped new buildings who

1345
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: are just starting to form tenant councils UM, you know,

1346
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: use the air purifiers as a way to open up

1347
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: conversation with some of these people and say, hey, you're

1348
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: building is being organized. Remember how the fire season was

1349
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: last year, right, Like, this is something that you can use,

1350
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: and let's talk more about other tools that we can

1351
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: use coming together to really fight for changes that we

1352
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,839
Speaker 1: can't necessarily make on our own. UM. So that was happening,

1353
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: and then we also decide to look at data around

1354
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 1: where in Oakland or asthma rates really high, where in

1355
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: Oakland is air pollution really bad? And where in Oakland

1356
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: is it primarily lower income folks? Right? We want to

1357
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,879
Speaker 1: be giving these air purifiers to people who can't generally

1358
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: afford a hundred to two hundred dollar air purifier. UM.

1359
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: And so East Oakland was one of those places. And

1360
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: again through this network that we had built through the

1361
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: Mask build, we had a connection in East Oakland someone

1362
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: that had UM that is part of East Bay ds A, right,

1363
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: that had done a lot of community organizing, and someone

1364
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: that was actually able to, you know, send out an

1365
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: email to her neighborhood and say, hey, we have air

1366
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: purifiers and so we had people posting up at her house. UM.

1367
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 1: So you know, we were coming into a neighborhood that

1368
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: was not our own, which in some ways, UM, you know,

1369
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of complications to that. UM. But we

1370
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: were also able to do it at someone's house that

1371
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: we knew. UM. And our goal in this was to

1372
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: get people to come to our builds to make air

1373
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: purifiers for themselves and for their family, their community, their friends,

1374
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: so that we then don't have to go into those neighborhoods, right,

1375
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: so that they can then start to own that distribution

1376
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: and own this project and like feel an autonomy over it. Um.

1377
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: And so we also kind of door knocked around the

1378
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: neighborhood talking to people about the air purifiers, about wildfire smoke,

1379
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: about coming out to a build, you know, about why

1380
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: this is really important, um, why we need people to

1381
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: engage in this project. UM. And we distributed almost a

1382
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: hundred air purifiers that day, I think folks in that

1383
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: community and after that that week UM, so we distributed

1384
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: on Sunday and then um, a week later on Saturday,

1385
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: we would have a build. So within that week, right,

1386
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: we're calling everyone that we distributed to saying, hey, how

1387
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: is your air porifier working. Can you come out to

1388
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: a build. It's really really valuable that you come out

1389
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: to a build so that you can make sure that

1390
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: your community has clean air to breathe, especially during fire season. Um.

1391
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: And through these calls, right, I talked to someone who

1392
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: lived in East Oakland for an hour, um in this

1393
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: person just started opening up and was so touched that

1394
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: we had done this and basically said, you know, no

1395
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: one has ever cared for my community like this, No

1396
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 1: one has ever even thought about us, right. And you see,

1397
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: like there are nonprofits right California was giving out air

1398
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 1: purifiers to certain people, like there's a semblance of the structure.

1399
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: And yet we were actually interfacing with these people who

1400
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: seemed to have no idea that any of this was

1401
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: happening right there, saying, you know, no one else has

1402
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: been able to do this, um. And we're starting to

1403
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: form relationships and develop connections in these neighborhoods and make

1404
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,879
Speaker 1: people feel cared for and follow up. Um. And despite

1405
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: all of this work, right, no one shows up to

1406
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: our bill that week. UM And I think Obar and

1407
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: I both felt pretty defeated, right, Like, is mutually possible?

1408
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: What are we're doing wrong clearly, Like class and racial

1409
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: barriers are really hard to overcome in this UM. And

1410
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking to our ex black panther friend

1411
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: that has continued to be a huge part of this project,

1412
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: and he was like, you're you know, you have to

1413
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: keep trying. You're doing the right things. And so we

1414
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: went to West Oakland again where we had a connection

1415
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 1: from our MASS project that helped us set up in

1416
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,879
Speaker 1: front of this corner next to UM, a vegan cafe

1417
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: that serves trans poc for free UM and has really

1418
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: wonderful food. We're able to talk with them give them

1419
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: air purifier as they allowed us to UM kind of

1420
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 1: set up shop in front of their store. And there's

1421
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 1: also like a liquor store on this corner. It's like

1422
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: a very busy corner in West Oakland. UM and kind

1423
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: of did the same thing. We're handing out air purifiers,

1424
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 1: talking to people about the build, talking to people about UM,

1425
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 1: you know why this is important. And we're also door

1426
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 1: knocking in the neighborhood, talking to folks UM at their homes,

1427
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: UM asking people, you know, who needs an air purifier? Right,

1428
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: Like these communities generally know each other really well, and

1429
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: we're able to talk to people who are like, oh

1430
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, like my aunt lives over there

1431
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: and her kid has asthma, and like you should go

1432
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: talk with her. UM. And so we start to develop

1433
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: these connections and kind of map out the neighborhood and

1434
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, again we're following up. We're talking to these

1435
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: people on the phone, We're asking them to come out

1436
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: to the build. And we went out to this neighborhood again.

1437
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: So the second time we went out, UM, I started

1438
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: to recognize people right, and I started to be able

1439
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: to talk with people, and UM, through I was kind

1440
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: of like door knocking, UM. While people were posted up

1441
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: by the liquor store and this Beacon cafe and uh,

1442
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: there was like a church service going on and I

1443
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: recognized one of the people there, and he recognized me,

1444
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: and we were able to talk and he was really

1445
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: grateful for the work that we were doing. And he

1446
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: started calling his friends over and be like, hey, you know,

1447
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: do you all need an air purifier? Remember how a

1448
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: bad fire season was last year, And also like we

1449
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: should all go to this build next time. UM, you know,

1450
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: we should actually be showing up and helping out. UM.

1451
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: And words spread so quickly, like these communities are so

1452
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 1: deeply connected. UM, at least from what I like witnessed

1453
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: and UM that week again, right, we called everyone. We said, like,

1454
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: you know, we really think it's valuable for you all

1455
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: to come out to a build. We want to give

1456
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 1: you like ownership an autonomy over this in a world

1457
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: where I think so often you feel so little autonomy

1458
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 1: um and so little power when everything feels like it's crumbling.

1459
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,560
Speaker 1: Right to have some semblance of ownership and autonomy, to

1460
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: be able to um do something that is immediately like

1461
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: visible and real UM feels really powerful. Right when sometimes

1462
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, uh, talking to elected officials is moving too

1463
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: slowly because disasters are happening so quickly. There is a

1464
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: need to balance immediate need and system change, right, and

1465
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: I think you have to constantly hold both. Um. But

1466
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking to these folks, were asking them

1467
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: to come to the build and UM we actually had

1468
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: a couple of people come out to our build from

1469
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: our distribution people that had a really amazing time. People

1470
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: that you know said they enjoyed being there um and

1471
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: took air purifiers back and gave them out to their

1472
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: friends and family. UM. And we're able to say, you know,

1473
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: I made this right, Like this is something valuable, but

1474
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: also I understand how it works. And I talked to

1475
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: one of these people, are Xt build is actually on

1476
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 1: his birthday, and he was like, I really want to

1477
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: come out on my birthday. I really want to come

1478
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: out and help people and do this thing that has

1479
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: been enjoyable. UM. And it is also like helping people,

1480
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 1: And that to me was right, Like that someone wants

1481
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: to come on their birthday to like build air purifiers

1482
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: on a Saturday, when most of these people are you know,

1483
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: working forty two however many hours a week, that they're

1484
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: willing to continue to even work on a Saturday, I

1485
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: think is a huge feat UM. And it is something

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01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: that's definitely felt really really powerful in this Yeah. I

1487
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: think something that Janine brings out is really important, which

1488
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: is that UM, at every stage, we've been sort of

1489
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: interrogating and examining the work we're doing and asking whether

1490
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: we are truly drawing out the full political potential of

1491
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: our work. So in the earlier days when we were

1492
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 1: just stirring up that sanitizer and getting out these masks,

1493
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: you know, we did a lot and you know, this

1494
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: network of volunteers comprised well over two hundred people, and

1495
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: it was sort of consuming all of our time. But

1496
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: eventually we realized that to a large degree, we were

1497
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: basically just acting as a stop gap measure for government austerity,

1498
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: for the big gaps left behind by this extremely problematic

1499
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: nonprofit industrial complex. And the work we were doing then

1500
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,719
Speaker 1: we realized was sort of susceptible to co optation UM,

1501
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: and it didn't necessarily represent too much of a threat

1502
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: to capitalist hegemony and UM. At that point, you know,

1503
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 1: we shifted into d s A and we started bringing

1504
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: in a very sort of explicit political education component and

1505
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 1: started associating with an organization like Tank, which is already

1506
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: been doing um, really incredible radical organizing in the Bay Area.

1507
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: But eventually we ran up against the limits of that

1508
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: as well. And you know, d Essay is an organization

1509
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: where a lot of us initially learned our politics, but

1510
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, in its current sort of stage, it's characterized

1511
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: by a strong degree in our chapter of sort of

1512
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: democratic centralism, and most of the effort is being put

1513
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: toward electoral work and reform work, and everything that we

1514
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: were reading about seemed to point towards the extreme limits

1515
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: of that form of organizing, and how these forms of

1516
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: organizing in fact represented sometimes the more reactionary elements of

1517
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: the left in earlier moments in history, and we wanted

1518
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: to go beyond that. And so we realized that we

1519
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: were spending a lot of time having to just sort

1520
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: of defend the work that we were doing. So eventually

1521
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: we just decided to uh sort of reassert our autonomy.

1522
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: And as we shifted into the Air Purifier chapter of

1523
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: our work, that's what we were doing, and UM our

1524
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: inspirations are manifold. And as we were reading about these

1525
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: earlier moments in history, something which UM had an extraordinary

1526
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: effect on me was studying the example of the Spanish

1527
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: Revolution in six and suddenly I was reading about this

1528
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: moment in history that's been more or less erased from

1529
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: most of our textbooks are presented UM in a very

1530
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: kind of dishonest form. UM. And what these workers and

1531
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: peasants had done in the midst of fascist takeover was

1532
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 1: create on an enormous scale, UM the perhaps the most

1533
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 1: egalitarian society that I've ever read about, which truly represented

1534
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: UM a sort of liberatory, radical, early form of anti

1535
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 1: authoritarian socialism that stands in tremendous contrast to the much

1536
01:24:54,840 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: uglier uh forms of so called socialism that we've seen

1537
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: appear in the twentieth century. And what I noticed was

1538
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: that this society in Spain in six was absolutely replete

1539
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: with mutual aid, and these kind of anarchist tendencies had

1540
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: um sort of penetrated the consciousness of many of the

1541
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: workers and peasants in Spain, you know, sixty years before

1542
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: the revolution, after um Bakunin in the First International sent

1543
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: out an emissary to start spreading these ideas, and they

1544
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: took whole like wildfire and spread across the country. I think,

1545
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: I think one of one of the most incredible things

1546
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: about that story is the the guy they gets sent

1547
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 1: from Italy, like from as as the representative and now

1548
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: the cause. Yeah, he doesn't speak Spanish, right, he only

1549
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: speaks Italian, and he he he should just look at

1550
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 1: this place, right, and he's he's he's such a sort

1551
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 1: of brilliant order and and the sort of like the

1552
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: power of the ideas that he has is so strong

1553
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: that you know it it breaks through the language barrier,

1554
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's this sort of I think it's just

1555
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: this incredible moments that you know, I think, I think

1556
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: comes into a lot of a lot of what the

1557
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: two were running into with, you know, I mean, we

1558
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: still live in a place that's you know, incredibly defined

1559
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: by language bears, and just the ability to break through

1560
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: that becomes it gives you this just incredible potential of

1561
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: power and organization. Yeah, Chris, you don't know how much

1562
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,919
Speaker 1: it means to me to hear someone who's as familiar

1563
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: with this as most of the time when I talked

1564
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: about it's just total blank faces, even among my friends

1565
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: and comrades on the left. And unfortunately, but yeah, I

1566
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: mean reading about Finelli, who didn't speak a word of

1567
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: Spanish and he just went and with his wild gesticulations

1568
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 1: and his passionate rhetoric was able to basically inspire people

1569
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 1: with the radical politics that he came there to represent,

1570
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 1: and it somehow then took on a life of its own.

1571
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: Is kind of an extraordinary thing. And what I would

1572
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: do to take a time machine back and just see

1573
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 1: what this guy, you know, on trains and basically lived

1574
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 1: as a rant as he went from village to village,

1575
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: spreading the word what what this looked like? What was

1576
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: he doing? Um? And yet these ideas took hold in

1577
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:15,560
Speaker 1: a the only deep way. And UM. These notions of solidarity,

1578
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 1: mutual aid, cooperation, free association existed by the time of

1579
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 1: the Spanish Revolution in nineteen thirty six. So these sort

1580
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: of dual power counter institutions were more or less in place.

1581
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: And these are the things which UM were the basis

1582
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: the precondition for this sweeping egalitarian social revolution that then unfolded,

1583
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: which was unfortunately destroyed by force. UM. But this was

1584
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 1: the sort of society that I imagined I might actually

1585
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: want to live UM and and uh and and what

1586
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: you see is that there is a deep element to UM,

1587
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: a sort of shared consciousness that existed at that time.

1588
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: And it was quite an effort for people to bring

1589
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: that consciousness from sort of the countryside where took hold

1590
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: more nash naturally into sort of the industrial UM centers,

1591
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: the metropolitan areas where people working in factories were UM,

1592
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: you know, found it a lot more difficult to sort

1593
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 1: of exercise these UM values because these things are effectively

1594
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: bled out of them as they work on the factory floor.

1595
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: And UM. That brought a whole different meaning to the

1596
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: work that we were doing now. And we wondered, what

1597
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: can we do to uh inculcate, to nurture this kind

1598
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: of consciousness among the people with whom we're interacting, as

1599
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: we do our mutual aid, as we do our distributions,

1600
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: as we hold these builds that you know, even though

1601
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: we had trouble getting initially a few of the people

1602
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: from our distributions to show up, there were still you know,

1603
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: sixty seventy people showing up every other weekend. And now

1604
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:58,719
Speaker 1: we finally started having the people that were distributing extraordinarily

1605
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1643
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Speaker 1: continue our interview with Janina Aprar from the Comedy Humanity Collective.

1644
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,799
Speaker 1: We've been talking about their work. We've been talking about

1645
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: the origin of the mutual A products. We've been talking

1646
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: specifically about the political aspect of their work and how

1647
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: they're reading this sort of anarchists. The history of anarchist

1648
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 1: struggle in Spain and particularly mtual Agree in the Spanish

1649
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: Civil War helped impact and shape the politics and work

1650
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: that they've been doing. One thing I want I wanted

1651
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: to sort of circle back all the way too from

1652
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:53,600
Speaker 1: the beginning, was the stuff you've got you were doing

1653
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the pandemic. Because I think

1654
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 1: that this is I've talked about this before on here,

1655
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: but you know the difference between a country like the US,

1656
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: where what seven hundreds and hundrefifty people are dead and

1657
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: places with that didn't happen was the degree your community mobilization.

1658
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 1: And I talked about this with the Chinese example, is

1659
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: that like, yeah, I mean like that the reason that

1660
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: China the pandemic sort of got contained there, it wasn't

1661
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 1: because the state stepped in and was like, we're going

1662
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,600
Speaker 1: to do this. It was because hundreds of thousands of

1663
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: ordinary people just took to the streets and we're like, okay,

1664
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,560
Speaker 1: we're doing the lockdown now. And you know, and it

1665
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: takes a different form in China because you know, there's

1666
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different sort of things going on there,

1667
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: but that kind of mass community mobilization in the beginning

1668
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: of it's just like it. It didn't happen that much

1669
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: in the US. And I think, like, you know, the

1670
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 1: world where we don't all die in the pandemic, right

1671
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: is the one where the things that you all were

1672
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: doing happened. I mean, one the way the things I

1673
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: remember my sister is a bio grad student, and she

1674
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: was telling me about how, you know, so so the

1675
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, one of one of the things, one of

1676
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 1: the bottlenecks beginning of a pandemic, and it's still kind

1677
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 1: of a bottleneck was it was about being able to

1678
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: being able to do COVID tests and you know, biograd

1679
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: students can do PCR tests like it's easy. This is

1680
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, this is one of the first things they

1681
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 1: teach you. And that capacity just was never used. It

1682
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 1: just it was just sort of left and like sat

1683
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 1: there and rotted. And it sat there and rotted because

1684
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, the actual pandemic response was run by a

1685
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: state that just didn't care and a bureaucracy that, even

1686
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: when it did care, was sort of you know, I

1687
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: didn't have this capacity to mobilize. You know, it's it's

1688
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 1: its entire existence. It's about making sure that sort of

1689
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: the capacity for a ton's mobilization never happens. And I

1690
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: think that that was one of the most interesting and

1691
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: powerful parts of what y'all were doing, was that you

1692
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: just did it and it just it kept spreading. Yeah, No,

1693
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a that's a really good and important

1694
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: point you're bringing up. And I should mention that before

1695
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: we started doing any of this stuff with PPE, I

1696
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: was actually you know, as word as as as the

1697
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: um uh, the fear of the pandemic started spreading, and

1698
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: we finally had a picture of what the US would

1699
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: soon look like. I remember going to a union meeting

1700
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 1: among my fellow grad student workers and talking some people

1701
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: afterwards and saying like, hey, um, I don't think that

1702
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: we have anywhere near the kind of testing infrastructure that

1703
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: we're going to need to prevent the spread of this stuff,

1704
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 1: Like why don't we just is there any way that

1705
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: we can just take PCR machines and set up these

1706
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: little guerrilla operators and start testing people for free? And unfortunately,

1707
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: one of the things I noticed was that people, you know,

1708
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: we're just very confused by this idea. They had much

1709
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 1: more faith in the state's ability to um assemble these infrastructures,

1710
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 1: and I just realized that was not the way in

1711
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: which I was going to be able to help out.

1712
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 1: And so it's it's unfortunate, but a lot of people

1713
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: have even though they have these instincts for sort of

1714
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 1: mutual aid and for this kind of autonomous organized this

1715
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: stuff lies just below the surface US, often they don't

1716
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: feel actually capable of it. And I think more than anything,

1717
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: what we've done with this project is we've created a

1718
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: context in atmosphere in which things which people typically feel

1719
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: like they cannot do they suddenly realize they can do again.

1720
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: It's just to come back to that idea that most

1721
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: of us, you know, we live our lives, we sell

1722
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: our labor for wages. A few people who own the

1723
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:27,679
Speaker 1: means of production, you know, accumulate profits and use them

1724
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: to manipulate the state for their own purposes. Um. And

1725
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 1: this has an effect on us. I mean, this has

1726
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 1: an effect on dulling our consciousness um. And it's an

1727
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 1: extraordinary transformation in our social relations, in our sense of

1728
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,759
Speaker 1: our own individuality when we do realize in these moments

1729
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 1: that we can be um subjects. And so unfortunately my

1730
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: initial to try to stimulate some of this activity around

1731
01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: testing didn't work out. Um. But yeah, it just presents

1732
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: this recurring problem, which is that people are not used

1733
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: to doing this kind of work. And Janine and I

1734
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: have found many many times that you know, people are

1735
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 1: willing to come and use their hands and build something

1736
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 1: for a few hours. But then what we try to

1737
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: do is get them involved. We say, come to the meetings.

1738
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: You have decision making power. You can determine the trajectory

1739
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: of this work. And that's always a very very difficult

1740
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: thing to be doing. Now, given the way that sort

1741
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 1: of people have been conditioned UM right now, and I

1742
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: think that's something which is concerning because these uh traits

1743
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 1: of subservience and sort of submission, I think are incompatible.

1744
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 1: If there were a moment of revolutionary rupture, I'm not

1745
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 1: sure that that would necessarily lead to any better sort

1746
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,839
Speaker 1: of society. So I think this stuff is deeply, deeply

1747
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 1: important to get people involved in this kind of work.

1748
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: I just want to go back to one of the

1749
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: things you said, Like you mentioned the community asked act

1750
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 1: and like those relationships, and I think that I know

1751
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: I've said this so many times, both in like my

1752
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: organizing space and even on this podcast today, but I

1753
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: truly have felt like building community is one of the

1754
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: most powerful ways to organize. And I think so many

1755
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:17,600
Speaker 1: people in leftist spaces right now see organizing as like

1756
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 1: a place where you just do work UM, and I

1757
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,679
Speaker 1: actually think that that's a really terrible way to organize.

1758
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that you're gonna have people come back

1759
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 1: right like. I don't think that um, anyone is going

1760
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: to feel empowered. And you know, kind of through talking

1761
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: to a bra I've started reading this book on the

1762
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 1: freewomen of Spain and like thinking more about this also,

1763
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 1: right and thinking about how they're talking about community building

1764
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: and how they're talking about like community is believing in

1765
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 1: each other and like helping each other realize their full

1766
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: potential UM and as a way to actually find equity

1767
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 1: and equality through like horizontalist structures, through allowing people to

1768
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 1: reach their full potential UM And I think, you know,

1769
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: these are some of the politics that have informed what

1770
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 1: we're doing, that have informed how we're trying to allow

1771
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: people to grow. And so many people have come to

1772
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 1: us and said, you know, these mass builds or these

1773
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 1: air purifier builds are like the highlight of my week

1774
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 1: or the highlight of my month UM or I'm thinking

1775
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: about the like the way that you're structuring UM your

1776
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 1: distributions and thinking about how I can implement that into

1777
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: the work that we're doing UM And I think that

1778
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 1: those things are so powerful when you're able to create

1779
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: these spaces again where people care for each other, and

1780
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: like you're saying, that goes a long way towards being

1781
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 1: able to mobilize UM when there are disasters, to being

1782
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,879
Speaker 1: able to mobilize around protests, to being able to mobilize

1783
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 1: around these ruptures because you have solidarity that's built through relationships,

1784
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 1: and that is allowing you to build power. One of

1785
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,600
Speaker 1: the things that that YouTube sort of getting it is

1786
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: that you know, if there's it's hard in a lot

1787
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: of ways, because yeah, I mean, the US has and

1788
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 1: you baked into just to every single part of your

1789
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: life is there's going to be someone who is above you,

1790
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 1: who can order you and tell you what to do.

1791
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's that's that's that's the defining

1792
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,719
Speaker 1: characteristic of life in the United States. And the second

1793
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 1: defining characteristic is if you don't do what they tell you,

1794
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 1: a person with the gun shows up and either beats

1795
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 1: you or hauls you away and enslaves you. And you

1796
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 1: know that that that has these enormous sort of psychological

1797
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: consequences that you know, create creates this culture where people

1798
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and that this goes along with

1799
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 1: there's there's this whole the skilling process that's that's been

1800
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: a sort of part of the broad arch of capitalism

1801
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 1: that you all trying to reverse. But even even yeah,

1802
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's talking about even the people who have

1803
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: the skills just don't sort of they don't believe in

1804
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 1: their own autonomy. In a way and that and that

1805
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: that becomes this incredibly powerful, you know, tool of keeping

1806
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: people in line. But when that breaks and when when

1807
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:52,679
Speaker 1: people start to see it, it can take time. But yeah,

1808
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 1: you know that the the kinds of power in the

1809
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: depth of the sort of organization that you build isn't

1810
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: from that is incredible. And I think it's only anything

1811
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: about the Spanish example that people tend to forget, which

1812
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 1: is that you know, okay, so that the c n

1813
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:06,560
Speaker 1: T which is the sort of giant c n T

1814
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: f A eyes that the giants sort of h Annachrist,

1815
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 1: the union that's that's running a lot of this stuff.

1816
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: You know, they're almost completely destroyed at the drink, like

1817
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:17,639
Speaker 1: over the course of the Spanis civil war, and they're

1818
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, distruber the stalents, distruber with the fascist and

1819
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 1: at the end, by the end of the war, you

1820
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: know that the fascist control Spain for about forty years.

1821
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 1: But even that, you know, I mean, they kill hundreds

1822
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 1: of thousands of people, they like, there's massacres is you know,

1823
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 1: it turns into literally a fascist police state. But the

1824
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:39,640
Speaker 1: moment that the moment the fascist a tatorship collapses, the

1825
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 1: CNT reappears. And they even even in you know, in

1826
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,560
Speaker 1: in seventies Spain, in a place that is in a

1827
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 1: lot of ways the industrialized, they still almost overthrow the

1828
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 1: government one more time. And you know, I mean they're

1829
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 1: they're still around the sort of much reduced form to

1830
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: this day. But I mean, once once you build that

1831
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 1: kind of power, right, even you know, even footy yours

1832
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 1: fascistctatorship was enough to completely destroy it. It was you know,

1833
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: it was it was still there, sort of waiting underground,

1834
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,680
Speaker 1: and then the moment there was a rupture reappears. This

1835
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 1: is a really important thing that you're bringing up, Chris,

1836
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 1: because I think it has um a lot to do

1837
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 1: with how we just measure and talk about success on

1838
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 1: the left. Um, what you're describing, which you know, Spain

1839
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: is typically by many people on the left described as

1840
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 1: kind of a failed experiment. Oh it was nice, but

1841
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 1: it ultimately failed. So let's look at Russia, you know. Um,

1842
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 1: but uh, some people have argued, and I think very correctly,

1843
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: that you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

1844
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 1: Once something like this happens. It's there. Those energies are there,

1845
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 1: They are not forgotten, they're not lost, and there's you know,

1846
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:52,759
Speaker 1: a very vigorous sort of left wing radical anarchist movement

1847
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,799
Speaker 1: that's resonant um uh and very sort of consistent with

1848
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: with the earlier movement during the thirties. And UM, I

1849
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: think that's that's an extraordinarily important thing to think about.

1850
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,760
Speaker 1: We tend to measure these projects in these very sort

1851
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:12,719
Speaker 1: of linear, sort of status terms, and we discovered, especially

1852
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 1: when we were doing work in d say, that a

1853
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: lot of people were trying to frame our own project

1854
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: in that way. You know, what are the demands that

1855
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:21,520
Speaker 1: you're making, what are the what pressure are you exerting

1856
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: on the state? Um? And so there's these criteria that

1857
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 1: people use to evaluate kind of the efficacy or success

1858
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 1: of projects like these, And the Spanish example tells you,

1859
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 1: UM that the way that these things work is in

1860
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:37,640
Speaker 1: fact much more complicated and much more interesting UM. And

1861
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 1: that by assembling these structures, these organizations, even if at

1862
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 1: some time or another they don't necessarily exist anymore, all

1863
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 1: of those people who participated in them are transformed, and

1864
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: the people that they interact with might then also be transformed.

1865
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: And so something like the c n T, which is

1866
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, an extraordinary organization the f ai is what

1867
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, really gave it the kind of anarcho syndicalist

1868
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: content that defined the quality of that revolution. Um, that

1869
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: never got lost, that never went away, even when it

1870
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 1: seems to have disappeared. Um. And so I think we

1871
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,799
Speaker 1: have to learn to think about success and failure um,

1872
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, as we very simplistically use these terms very

1873
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: very um differently. And this is something which informs our

1874
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 1: own work when we're asking was this successful? Was this

1875
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,560
Speaker 1: not successful? Um? I think that's a much more difficult

1876
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 1: and complicated question than we often make it out to be. Yeah,

1877
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: and I think there's something very specific about you know,

1878
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:37,560
Speaker 1: if we can go into sort of d s A

1879
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,639
Speaker 1: factional politics for a little bit, but like I think

1880
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 1: like in some ways you see the shallowness of a

1881
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 1: lot of the approaches that was happening in the d

1882
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 1: s A where you know, like if if you if

1883
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:48,640
Speaker 1: you look at a lot of how the sort of

1884
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 1: Medica for All stuff went or a lot of how

1885
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: the sort of Bernie campaign stuff went right, it was okay.

1886
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:56,680
Speaker 1: You know, you have these you have these organizations that

1887
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,320
Speaker 1: are like a mile wide and inch deep, and it's like, okay,

1888
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 1: they're their capable of mobilizing people devote one time, but

1889
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, then they lose the election, and then what right,

1890
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 1: so that they don't they don't don't they don't have

1891
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 1: you know, there's they're supposed to be this whole thing

1892
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 1: of like Bernie being an organizer in chief and this

1893
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: whole sort of plan to use the sort of lists

1894
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: he developers organized anything. It's never happened, and you know,

1895
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 1: it didn't happen in a lot of ways because it

1896
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: was just sort of they they treated the whole process

1897
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: of building power as essentially a beocratic exercise. Right, it's

1898
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 1: how many people are on this list? How many people

1899
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 1: are showing up to the the state, like you know, and

1900
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 1: like how how many how many how many doors have

1901
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 1: we knocked on? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's it's just you know,

1902
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 1: and that's the and that's the other thing you're talking

1903
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 1: about with the fact that organizing spaces have to be

1904
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: more than just another just another place you go to work,

1905
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 1: right is if you know, if if all you're doing

1906
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: is just replicating these sort of bereocratic things, you're you're

1907
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: going to watch them fail exactly the same way the

1908
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: burocracies do, except you know, you're you're you're not the

1909
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 1: American State, you're not a a Democratic Party. You don't have

1910
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 1: an infinite amount of money or the ability to sort

1911
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,200
Speaker 1: of you know, you don't you don't have the ability

1912
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:58,360
Speaker 1: to call an army to enforce what you need to do, right,

1913
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't have you don't have the fallback

1914
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 1: of bad methods of organizing, which is violence. And when

1915
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: that happens, you know, and and suddenly and you can't

1916
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: confront your own failures because you're stuck in this, things

1917
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:15,040
Speaker 1: just start to sort of implode, and you start to

1918
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 1: lose people, and you start to sort of you know,

1919
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,719
Speaker 1: you see this sort of stagnation and decline that I think,

1920
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, talking about, Yeah, we're getting exactly too much

1921
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 1: into what's going on in East Bay, Like that's that that,

1922
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,680
Speaker 1: that's been everything I've seen out of it. Yeah, And

1923
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 1: I think to go kind of off of what a

1924
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 1: bro was talking about to kind of put this into

1925
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 1: terms of the work that we've been doing, right, you know,

1926
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 1: through the Mask builds um as they were winding down,

1927
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 1: we weren't quite sure what our next project was, and

1928
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, we talked a lot about like how do

1929
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 1: we keep this energy going like, we don't want to

1930
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:51,640
Speaker 1: just lose this. And I also felt, you know, a

1931
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 1: certain amount of social obligation to you know, keep this

1932
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 1: community together that had formed during the pandemic. And so

1933
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 1: we started did a book group kind of in the

1934
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 1: interim reading How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney, and

1935
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, had around thirty people show up to that

1936
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:13,600
Speaker 1: UM And I think, as you know, you're talking about

1937
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 1: the importance of once you know, these relationships are formed,

1938
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 1: once these ideologies start to percolate, that they don't just

1939
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 1: go away, right. These people that we you know, brought

1940
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 1: into d s A and a lot of ways the

1941
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 1: d s A came to join this book group and

1942
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,600
Speaker 1: later came to join the Air Purifier project despite the

1943
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 1: fact that it was more outside of d s A.

1944
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 1: A lot of these people, because of you know, what

1945
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 1: we had built and what we had created, continued to

1946
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 1: be such a huge part and take on incredible leadership

1947
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 1: roles UM and you know, facilitate this project in a

1948
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 1: way that it would not at all look like what

1949
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: it does without you know, these people dedicating so much

1950
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: of their time and energy to this project. Kind of

1951
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 1: throughout the process, Yeah, and Chris, I'm going back to

1952
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 1: what you're saying earlier. I think, um m hm, I've

1953
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:09,640
Speaker 1: I've seen a very interesting, um a kind of reflection

1954
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,599
Speaker 1: come out of some of these organizations, and you see

1955
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 1: these different splits and sort of uh wings developing. But yeah,

1956
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean I Janine is a very sort of organic,

1957
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: radical and revolutionary who I've learned an enormous amount from.

1958
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: But I think my own trajectory was much more characteristic

1959
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 1: of what you described earlier, which is that you know,

1960
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 1: I put all my eggs in this basket. I thought, Okay,

1961
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, like, that's that is, that is the that

1962
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 1: is the beginning of how we undergo a sort of

1963
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 1: democratic socialist transformation. And then, you know, in a few

1964
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: snaps of the finger, even though I had spent just

1965
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 1: like hundreds of hours just knocking doors and promising all

1966
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: these things to people who might you know, vote for

1967
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 1: him at their door, and and all this stuff that

1968
01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 1: and and and just sort of regurgitating all the slogans

1969
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 1: and and talking you know, rapturously about these welfare programs.

1970
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: Um I saw all that dissolved in a moment, and

1971
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 1: I realized that I didn't leave anything behind, And there

1972
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:17,799
Speaker 1: was you know, in D. S A and our chapter,

1973
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 1: you saw that there was a large group of people

1974
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: who just wanted to keep that flame burning and just

1975
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 1: say we'll do better next time, you know, we'll do

1976
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,640
Speaker 1: more work at the local level to elect representatives. But

1977
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 1: then there was another group of people. It was much

1978
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: more disillusioned UM and really started wondering is this what

1979
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 1: we should be doing, or at least is this all

1980
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 1: that we should be doing UM. And you see the

1981
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: same thing coming out of a group like Sunrise, which

1982
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:46,599
Speaker 1: whose primary sort of mandate is to just put pressure

1983
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:50,519
Speaker 1: onto Congress UM to urge the necessity of a green

1984
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 1: new deal or whatever. And nevertheless, out of Sunrise, we've

1985
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 1: met people who, after the George Floyd protests, after the

1986
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 1: dissolution of the Bernie campaign, had and lead down the

1987
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 1: same radical path as as some of us UM found

1988
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:09,640
Speaker 1: ourselves traveling UM in in East by D. S A.

1989
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 1: And they're the ones who have now come to help

1990
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 1: our project and you know, using whatever autonomy they have

1991
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 1: at the sort of um hub level in Sunrise, because

1992
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 1: even though it's an organization with sort of paid staff

1993
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 1: and something of this bureaucracy right now in this moment,

1994
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:29,799
Speaker 1: the individual little local hubs actually have a surprising amount

1995
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 1: of autonomy, and I really hope they're going to fight

1996
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 1: for protect that autonomy. So they've been able to use

1997
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 1: that autonomy to actually put a lot of effort toward

1998
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:42,120
Speaker 1: raise money thousands of dollars for our work at c

1999
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 1: h C and come to our organizer meetings, become a

2000
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:49,440
Speaker 1: part of the effort, and urge upon their own um

2001
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,600
Speaker 1: friends and co organizers and and people they know in

2002
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 1: Sunrise to shift the direction of their work of their

2003
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 1: branches towards doing more work like this. So there are

2004
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: of these kind of interesting different uh splinterings that you

2005
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: see happening, which give me some hope that we're not

2006
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 1: just going to keep running the same tape over and

2007
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 1: over again. So one of the other interviews we did

2008
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 1: on this show was with a bunch of people who

2009
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 1: were working with the basically this giant effort in Atlanta

2010
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 1: to stop this like just atrocious sort of destruct this

2011
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,320
Speaker 1: destruction of a bunch of forests to create this like

2012
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:33,759
Speaker 1: weird teaching cops. How did you kind of terrorism enormous

2013
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:36,720
Speaker 1: academy thing that's being funded by like a bunch of

2014
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: the Logic Corporations in Atlanta, and they were describing you know,

2015
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:43,240
Speaker 1: they didn't talk about sort of the exacting process of solution,

2016
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 1: but you know, you saw they were like, you know,

2017
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 1: one of the people with the hair was from Sunrise

2018
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,599
Speaker 1: and they were also talking about how they pulled together.

2019
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: That's just like enormous coalition of bunch of community groups

2020
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 1: that was, you know, and like the their their initial

2021
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 1: goal was they're trying to pressure the city council into

2022
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 1: stopping the into you know, not proving it and that

2023
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:04,680
Speaker 1: doesn't work. But you know, you know, some of some

2024
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 1: of the other groups that were that were involved in this,

2025
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,839
Speaker 1: we're talking about like okay, well you know that they're

2026
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 1: planning is like if this fails, we're gonna go stop

2027
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 1: it ourselves. And I think that pivot right is one

2028
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 1: of the most crucial things that is happening right now,

2029
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 1: because you know, okay, if if you, if you you know,

2030
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 1: if if you, if you you, you pull out your

2031
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 1: like poll your policy like policy space diagrams right like

2032
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 1: it's it's the United States. The policy that's enacted is

2033
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 1: the one that is the policy is decided about the

2034
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:33,720
Speaker 1: sixtieth Senator and it's like Okay, so you know, even

2035
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 1: even if if even if you're gonna try to do

2036
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:38,639
Speaker 1: an electoral thing, right, you need six you need sixty votes.

2037
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 1: In the Senate, there is one arguably socialist senator and

2038
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 1: we've never elected another one, so you know, and you're

2039
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 1: just looking at this, right and it's like, okay, like

2040
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, we we elect like to maybe three socialists

2041
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:57,680
Speaker 1: in in the House every year, and if you know,

2042
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: if you continue at the same rate, they'll be like

2043
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:03,280
Speaker 1: what like like two hundred years if we have a

2044
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 1: majority there, And it's like yeah, you know, and at

2045
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,720
Speaker 1: a certain points like yeah, I mean, we're like we're

2046
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: not gonna be around because we'll be dead, but like

2047
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 1: most of most most of the stuff on earth will

2048
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,679
Speaker 1: also not be around because it will have been obliteral

2049
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 1: bla climate change there. And you know, and at some

2050
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 1: point you have to get to we're gonna have to

2051
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 1: do it ourselves because no one, no one else is

2052
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 1: going to do it for us. And I think that

2053
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 1: the work YouTube have been doing is just incredible, is

2054
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:28,719
Speaker 1: just an incredible example of how that can actually happen

2055
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 1: and what what that looks like. Thank you. Yeah, I

2056
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: think that it is so important, and I think that

2057
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons that to me, it was

2058
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 1: also so important to get all of these groups at

2059
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:42,680
Speaker 1: these air purifier pims because I think oftentimes organizing is

2060
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:46,599
Speaker 1: so siloed and it really frustrates me, and people seem

2061
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 1: very like loyal at least I've found this in East

2062
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 1: by d s A to like their particular organization, any

2063
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 1: other organization they don't even really want to talk about

2064
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 1: or they don't even know still exist um. And to me, like,

2065
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 1: if we can give people the tools to organize, I

2066
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: don't care who they're organizing, UM, but if we can

2067
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:08,880
Speaker 1: also like have these groups communicate with each other, right,

2068
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 1: Like different groups are doing exactly the same thing. Right.

2069
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 1: We have the Ecosocialist Group UM in d s A. Right,

2070
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 1: you have Sunrise, you have the i w W, and

2071
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 1: then you have the Labor Committee of d s A.

2072
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 1: And it's like sometimes there is cross communication, right, But

2073
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 1: to me, it never feels like it's quite enough. It

2074
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 1: never feels like we're really all working on this or

2075
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 1: we're really all in it together. And I think we

2076
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 1: really should be, because like you're saying, like there's kind

2077
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,639
Speaker 1: of a ticking cloth. We only have a certain amount

2078
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:37,679
Speaker 1: of time to actually make the changes that we want

2079
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 1: to see. And when we're not willing to actually work

2080
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 1: with each other and communicate with each other, things are

2081
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 1: not going to happen as quickly. UM. And so being

2082
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 1: able to have, like, you know, a table of people

2083
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 1: assembling purifiers from d S a Sunrise tank, right, and

2084
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 1: they're all talking about the organizing work that they're doing

2085
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 1: and sharing stories and strategies, so that we're not all

2086
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 1: consly reinventing the wheel. That actually working together on this

2087
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 1: I think is so so valuable. And this is something

2088
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 1: that we've seen. You know, one of our friends who's

2089
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 1: helping lead one of the tank locals, has come to

2090
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:14,760
Speaker 1: a number of our events and was telling us how

2091
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 1: he's actually tried to bring things that he's seen that

2092
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: we're doing into his own local and we've heard this

2093
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 1: in other contexts as well. So things spread, and that's

2094
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:27,960
Speaker 1: I think a really important thing that um, you know,

2095
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 1: especially because of Janine's um you know, just just uh

2096
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: attempts to try to get all these groups together into

2097
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 1: one place to communicate, to build relationships. UM. We're now

2098
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: seeing what we've built sort of emanating elsewhere and we're

2099
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 1: also learning a lot from all these different people in

2100
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,960
Speaker 1: groups who come to our builds and then become organizers

2101
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 1: in the effort. And you know, to mention someone like

2102
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, Gerald Jannine referred to earlier, who is this

2103
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:06,640
Speaker 1: uh wonderful full um cantankerous h ex black panther, you know,

2104
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 1: who has such an enormous history of experience. For him

2105
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 1: to give us that historical perspective for everything that we're doing,

2106
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 1: um has been an enormous boost of confidence, and it's

2107
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 1: allowed us to focus and you know, just to reiterate

2108
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 1: what she said earlier, we were really depressed when we

2109
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:24,760
Speaker 1: went out and we were talking to people in West

2110
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Speaker 1: Oakland and East Oakland, and everyone was telling us we're

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Speaker 1: gonna come, Yeah, we'll show up, we'll be there. And then,

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Speaker 1: you know, while many other people showed up from Sunrise, DSA, C,

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Speaker 1: HC elsewhere, none of those people showed up. And we said, Gerald,

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Speaker 1: they're not coming. What's going on? And he said, you know,

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Speaker 1: keep going, keep trying, keep doing it, do not give up.

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Speaker 1: Do not judge from that one experience. This is really

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Speaker 1: hard work. And these people have had the door shot

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Speaker 1: on them over and over and over again, and they're tired,

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Speaker 1: and it's the weekend, but you keep doing it and

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Speaker 1: they will come, and then next time they came. We

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01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 1: may not have gone there again had it not been

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01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 1: for Gerald bringing in this enormous um breath of experience

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Speaker 1: to share with us. You know, at the end of

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Speaker 1: our previous bill there there's this there's this quote that

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Speaker 1: I remember from every who was it was one of

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Speaker 1: the one of the people who've been heavily involved in

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01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 1: the Egyptian Revolution thousand eleven, had this quote and she's

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01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, I whould be doing this for decades, right,

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Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, because you've a protest and if

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01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:28,440
Speaker 1: if if a hundred if people show up, you're happy,

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01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:30,640
Speaker 1: and if a hundred people show up, you're depressed. And

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Speaker 1: then one day, eight hundred thousand people show up and

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01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 1: you kind of just forgot that could happen. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that that is something that you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're like organizing is not easy. That you're you're gonna

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01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:45,000
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time like not winning, You're gonna

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01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time feeling like you're barely treading water.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of time where you know,

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01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 1: nothing works and everything seems to be falling apart. But

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Speaker 1: you know, if you keep pushing, thousand people show up

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Speaker 1: and you know, and suddenly the regime is like taking

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01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 1: like you know, try trying to catch planes out of

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01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 1: the country and yeah, and you know, and you get

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01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:09,440
Speaker 1: to that that CLR. James line about how the ruling

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01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 1: classes not defeeding until's ruling until it's running for its lives.

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01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 1: But you know they do run for their lives. This

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01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:17,960
Speaker 1: is the thing that happens. Yeah, and you know, if

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01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,560
Speaker 1: if we do this together, we can get there totally.

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01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, what a bar saying is

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01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 1: so true. And we also, you know, in doing these distributions,

2151
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:30,080
Speaker 1: talk to people and I literally would say, like what,

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01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:33,080
Speaker 1: we'll get people to show up, right, there's kind of

2153
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 1: like honesty in these conversations of like, you know, this

2154
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 1: is what we're trying to do, Like there's a reciprocal

2155
01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:43,880
Speaker 1: relationship here again, like help us understand also like what

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01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,480
Speaker 1: we need to do in order to make sure that

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01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 1: the reciprocal relationship is actually realized and actually happening. Um.

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01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 1: And I think that that was kind of an exciting

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01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 1: moment of like having people have some autonomy and like say,

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01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,680
Speaker 1: and like you know, they know this community better than

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01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 1: we do, right, they know like how people are going

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01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 1: to show up and how maybe they won't. But Chris, Uh,

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01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,000
Speaker 1: just to bring it back to what you were saying,

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01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:13,320
Speaker 1: I think describing the kind of nonlinear trajectory of uh

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01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:16,240
Speaker 1: popular movements in history is something that we try to

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01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 1: keep always in our minds. Um, things may begin, small,

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01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 1: things may seem small, even when you study the examples

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01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:26,160
Speaker 1: in Spain of sort of the groups of people who

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Speaker 1: formed sort of the early f AI who were just

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Speaker 1: sort of discussing these ideas around to fire before they

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Speaker 1: tried to sort of infiltrate the CNT, and then this

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Speaker 1: became the sort of predominant um mood and sort of

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Speaker 1: ideology that that that that characterized the c NT, which

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01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,520
Speaker 1: then you know, spread out and sort of characterize the

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01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 1: Spanish Revolution at large and massive numbers millions of people,

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01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, um, And and just seeing what happened with

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01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 1: the George Floyd protests and studying the examples of you know,

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01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 1: Paris in eight where it at first just seems like

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Speaker 1: small groups of students and then you know, just a

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01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 1: few days and weeks later, you know, there's thousands and

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01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:08,560
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of workers, um, you know,

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01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:13,200
Speaker 1: who are out literally just pulling out cobblestones from the street,

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01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, up against the police. And and the way

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01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 1: that these things happen is very unpredictable. And I think

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01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,480
Speaker 1: that's also a very important thing to keep in mind

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01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 1: as we're trying to evaluate, you know, what we're doing

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01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 1: in a given moment. Yeah, I think I think I

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01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 1: think that's that's that's a very good note to end on.

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01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:35,720
Speaker 1: It's you know, every the the struggle we have embarked

2190
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 1: in is an incredibly difficult one, and we're not going

2191
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 1: to know how it ends for a long long time.

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01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 1: But that doesn't Yeah, you know, that doesn't necessarily means

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01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:48,880
Speaker 1: it ends badly. And the kind of resiliency we can

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01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 1: build is incredibly deep and incredibly powerful. Okay, plugs time,

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01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 1: Where do you too want people to go? What do

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01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:57,960
Speaker 1: you want people to know? And yeah, we can we

2197
01:59:57,960 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 1: can link stuff if you want to send it to

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02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:04,360
Speaker 1: us in the in the in the chat chat we can.

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Speaker 1: We can, we can link stuff. We can, we can,

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02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:09,600
Speaker 1: we can link stuff. In the description of this episode,

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Speaker 1: this is why we have editors think yeah, UM, I

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Speaker 1: think definitely. Like our social media so Twitter and Instagram

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02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:24,280
Speaker 1: is see Humanity, see UM for folks to be able

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02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:28,360
Speaker 1: to donate UM, to visit our website, to be able

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02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,240
Speaker 1: to plug in. If they are in the Bay area

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02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:32,680
Speaker 1: and want to get involved, they can find ways to

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02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 1: do that through those social media channels. You know, they

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02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:38,080
Speaker 1: can message us UM and then our fundraiser a bar.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we should just send the link

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02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:41,560
Speaker 1: or what The best way to do that is if

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02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:44,320
Speaker 1: you go to a common Humanity collective dot org, there's

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02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 1: a donate button which leads to the fundraisers. You can

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02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 1: find it. Also also if you if you go there,

2214
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:50,800
Speaker 1: you can see how they you can see instructions how

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02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:53,560
Speaker 1: to make the fans and they are so cool, like

2216
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:57,440
Speaker 1: they're awesome, it's it's sweet, it's so go do go

2217
02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 1: do that too because it's sick. And there's also instructions

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02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:03,120
Speaker 1: or how you can make them as well. And we

2219
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:05,960
Speaker 1: hope people do this elsewhere. Please reach out to us.

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02:01:06,120 --> 02:01:09,360
Speaker 1: We want to not be the only ones doing and

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02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 1: so this is why we've tried to just put everything

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Speaker 1: online that others can replicate this model and this is

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Speaker 1: why we're coming on a show like this and going

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Speaker 1: into so much detail into our history just that uh,

2225
02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have to keep reinventing the wheel.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, a bar and I have learned

2227
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Speaker 1: so much from this project, UM, and a lot of

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02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:31,360
Speaker 1: it really did feel like reinventing the wheel, which is

2229
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:33,360
Speaker 1: unfortunate because I know that, you know, mutual aid has

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02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:36,320
Speaker 1: been done elsewhere, but with the organizers that we were

2231
02:01:36,360 --> 02:01:38,320
Speaker 1: talking to, a lot of the things that we were doing,

2232
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:40,920
Speaker 1: we were having to kind of start from scratch. And

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Speaker 1: at least my goal is like we're both very accessible people,

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Speaker 1: like if there are questions, you know, to be able

2235
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:49,000
Speaker 1: to reach out so that we can you know, explain

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02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:51,880
Speaker 1: our experience to other folks, UM and talk through you know.

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Speaker 1: Our relationship with Sunrise started because they heard about the

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Speaker 1: mutual aid work that we were doing and they said

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Speaker 1: we want to do that also, and we're like great,

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Speaker 1: and you know a bra are co organizer, Joe and

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Speaker 1: I and this woman from Sunrise met in a park

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Speaker 1: and eat dinner and just talked about music late, you know,

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Speaker 1: the pitfalls that had happened and what went well and

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02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:11,600
Speaker 1: how we could do it in the future and then

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Speaker 1: like this beautiful collaboration began like a bar was talking

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Speaker 1: about so um, I think you know, we're really happy

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Speaker 1: to talk about where things have gone awry and what

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02:02:20,360 --> 02:02:23,160
Speaker 1: we've learned from this project and thankfully at this point

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Speaker 1: to like what successes we've had. So yeah, go go everyone,

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Speaker 1: go go go go find them, go out of your communities,

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Speaker 1: go do this theirselves, and yeah, go go go get

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Speaker 1: us another Spanish revolution. We need another one. Yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank thank you to you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: I sagreat Chris. This has been such an huge pleasure

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Speaker 1: for talking to you. We've we've been covered by a

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Speaker 1: lot of places, but never quite like Yeah, just thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for doing this, and thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: such an honor to be here and so much fun

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Speaker 1: to talk with you both. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: Garrison Davis uh and our good friend Christopher Wong Uh.

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the increasing and escalating attacks on school

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Speaker 1: boards and attempts to take over and dominate school boards

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Speaker 1: by far right activists. And a lot of this is

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Speaker 1: centered around critical race theory, a lot of it centered

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02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:07,800
Speaker 1: around vaccine mandates. It all kind of blends together like

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02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:12,960
Speaker 1: a good gumbo um or like fascist syncretism. UM. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that I would say, that's that's kind

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Speaker 1: of most relevant right now as we're recording this. I

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02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:20,680
Speaker 1: don't think the race has been officially called. But it's

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02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:26,400
Speaker 1: become an increasingly obvious that UH Terry mccauliffe has lost

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02:07:26,440 --> 02:07:30,040
Speaker 1: his re election bid and the uh new governor of

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02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:34,560
Speaker 1: Virginia will be a Republican who, among other things, as

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Speaker 1: like promised and based a huge amount of his campaign

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02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:40,240
Speaker 1: on banning critical race theory and specifically like banning books

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02:07:40,240 --> 02:07:44,560
Speaker 1: and ship from being taught in Virginia schools. UM. And

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Speaker 1: this is all the result of a pretty far reaching

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02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 1: UM and and complex and honestly pretty pretty scary campaign.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about that tonight, Garrison. Do you

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02:07:56,440 --> 02:07:59,600
Speaker 1: wanna do you wanna take it from here? Yeah? Yeah,

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02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:01,400
Speaker 1: I'll do it little bit, then we can move over

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02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:08,280
Speaker 1: to telegram. But yeah, so this is your drum solo time. Yeah.

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02:08:08,360 --> 02:08:10,440
Speaker 1: We we decided we needed to do an episode on

2340
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:14,400
Speaker 1: this scen and later when a few weeks ago a

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02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:18,000
Speaker 1: large number of of of anti vacts and anti mask

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02:08:18,120 --> 02:08:23,480
Speaker 1: protesters UM took over a school board meeting in UH Portland.

2343
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:25,000
Speaker 1: And the reason why that is special in it of

2344
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:26,800
Speaker 1: itself because this has been happening across the country for

2345
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:29,320
Speaker 1: a long time. But that but the fact that they

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02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:31,760
Speaker 1: were able to overwhelm and shut down an entire school

2347
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 1: board meeting with hundreds of people, like invading this building,

2348
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:37,040
Speaker 1: um and shutting this down with just the essurement of

2349
02:08:37,120 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 1: like power that the people had there was it was

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02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:45,280
Speaker 1: it's notable because it's like it's it's a liberal ish city, right,

2351
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:48,120
Speaker 1: It's that's generally how people view it as. And you know,

2352
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:50,440
Speaker 1: we're used to this happening, you know, more like southern

2353
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:54,000
Speaker 1: states and states that are more like overwhelmingly conservative. But

2354
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:56,360
Speaker 1: when like a Portland school board meet to get shut down,

2355
02:08:56,400 --> 02:09:00,320
Speaker 1: people were like, oh wow, this is like extra important

2356
02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:03,920
Speaker 1: because this is showing that it's not this isn't isolated

2357
02:09:04,240 --> 02:09:07,240
Speaker 1: to like quote unquote red states, right, this can this

2358
02:09:07,320 --> 02:09:10,600
Speaker 1: can spread out everywhere now, you know. With Portland it

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02:09:10,680 --> 02:09:14,560
Speaker 1: was it was a mix of like hippie types who

2360
02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:17,000
Speaker 1: are like anti vax but there was a good deal

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02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:19,520
Speaker 1: of like actual proud boys there as well. Yes, And

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02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:23,400
Speaker 1: it was partly organized through an organization run by the

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02:09:23,400 --> 02:09:26,040
Speaker 1: Bundies UM and there were some direct ties and they

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02:09:26,120 --> 02:09:29,600
Speaker 1: helped to advertise it. So it's there's a lot of um.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that was so unsettling

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02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:35,200
Speaker 1: is that a lot of these people were not Portland's residents,

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02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:38,040
Speaker 1: but they were showing up and we're able to effectively

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02:09:38,120 --> 02:09:41,040
Speaker 1: like take over and dominate a Portland's school board meeting

2369
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:45,440
Speaker 1: um in part because law enforcement is never ever willing

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02:09:45,480 --> 02:09:47,840
Speaker 1: to do anything against There's there's a there's a lot

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02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:50,760
Speaker 1: of a lot of points here, so like, yeah, one

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02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:53,000
Speaker 1: of it being is like these like these big mobs

2373
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:56,040
Speaker 1: are definitely able to benefit from being you know, white,

2374
02:09:56,160 --> 02:09:59,320
Speaker 1: mostly middle class like parents and stuff, or maybe not

2375
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:02,360
Speaker 1: maybe not not even parents. They're gonna be white, middle class, um,

2376
02:10:02,480 --> 02:10:04,720
Speaker 1: which means they can like storm buildings and shut stuff

2377
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:08,480
Speaker 1: down without any real consequence because police aren't police and

2378
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:10,920
Speaker 1: security aren't really going to get involved that much, and

2379
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:13,760
Speaker 1: the like the Libs are not gonna like really be

2380
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:16,960
Speaker 1: pushing back on this in any kind of me They'll

2381
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,280
Speaker 1: just make fun of these people if they misspell something

2382
02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:22,760
Speaker 1: on a sign. Yeah. So, like basically the idea for

2383
02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:25,320
Speaker 1: this episode as we want to talk about why and

2384
02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:28,560
Speaker 1: how school boards have become kind of the new front

2385
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:33,360
Speaker 1: lines for pushing far right stuff into the culturals, like guys,

2386
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:36,800
Speaker 1: because they've really become the new the new, the new

2387
02:10:37,160 --> 02:10:41,640
Speaker 1: like space that people on the right are able to

2388
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,680
Speaker 1: push things that are that are more that are more

2389
02:10:44,680 --> 02:10:47,240
Speaker 1: extreme and push things that are gonna you know, hurt

2390
02:10:47,640 --> 02:10:53,040
Speaker 1: you know kids mostly m hm. So looking for this,

2391
02:10:53,160 --> 02:10:56,560
Speaker 1: we put together a decent amount of stuff from organizing

2392
02:10:56,640 --> 02:10:58,920
Speaker 1: chats for how basically the right is talking about these

2393
02:10:58,920 --> 02:11:01,240
Speaker 1: things and how they're trying to organize it. UM. And

2394
02:11:01,320 --> 02:11:03,680
Speaker 1: one really interesting kind of thing of not which will

2395
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:06,440
Speaker 1: come up later in the telegram stuff is that in

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02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:12,640
Speaker 1: I think it was when was it it was late September, UM,

2397
02:11:12,720 --> 02:11:15,920
Speaker 1: the National school Boards associations like the National school Board

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02:11:16,200 --> 02:11:19,920
Speaker 1: Union UM put in a request for federal assistance to

2399
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:23,800
Speaker 1: stop ongoing threats and acts of violence against UH school

2400
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:27,040
Speaker 1: boards like meeting members and people president at school boards

2401
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 1: because this has been ramping up. You know this that

2402
02:11:29,960 --> 02:11:32,200
Speaker 1: this was happening the last last school season as well,

2403
02:11:32,360 --> 02:11:36,360
Speaker 1: but really the past few months, the the prevalence and

2404
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:40,680
Speaker 1: the number of these types of like mobs bas overtaking

2405
02:11:40,680 --> 02:11:44,040
Speaker 1: these school boards has become so much more common UM

2406
02:11:44,080 --> 02:11:46,600
Speaker 1: that the school Board Union put in, like sent like

2407
02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:49,600
Speaker 1: a letter directly to the president saying, hey, we kind

2408
02:11:49,640 --> 02:11:52,720
Speaker 1: of need help here. UM. So it's it's not just

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02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:57,040
Speaker 1: it's this is this is a problem that's recognized widely,

2410
02:11:57,120 --> 02:11:59,480
Speaker 1: even among people like on school boards, because yeah, they're

2411
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:03,200
Speaker 1: getting carasped, they're getting death threats. Um. This is becoming

2412
02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:07,120
Speaker 1: like unsafe to hold school board meetings. Um. And whether

2413
02:12:07,200 --> 02:12:09,160
Speaker 1: or not you like our modern school system or not,

2414
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:11,840
Speaker 1: the resulting effect of this is that it's going to

2415
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:15,920
Speaker 1: be hurting like kids. Like, Like it's a good whether

2416
02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 1: it be through like COVID, whether it be through teaching

2417
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:22,760
Speaker 1: them racist like curriculums, or whether it be to you know,

2418
02:12:23,200 --> 02:12:26,320
Speaker 1: making trans kids have make their lives a whole lot harder. Right,

2419
02:12:26,440 --> 02:12:28,760
Speaker 1: all of this kind of stuff is gonna be worse

2420
02:12:28,840 --> 02:12:32,360
Speaker 1: by this happening. So it is something definitely worth caring about. Yeah,

2421
02:12:32,640 --> 02:12:36,800
Speaker 1: it's worth caring about all. Like, it's clearly an attempt

2422
02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:42,680
Speaker 1: in order to to to arrest the kind of progressive

2423
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:45,400
Speaker 1: tilt that that society has gone through. All of this

2424
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:49,120
Speaker 1: is a reaction both too. I mean, the religious right

2425
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:52,400
Speaker 1: was initially, more than anything, a reaction to desegregation and

2426
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:55,760
Speaker 1: the women's liberation movement. Um. And what we're seeing now

2427
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:59,280
Speaker 1: is a reaction to primarily the gains that LGBT people

2428
02:12:59,280 --> 02:13:01,320
Speaker 1: have made in the lad us like twenty years, including

2429
02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:05,600
Speaker 1: the legalization of gay marriage, um. And so the ultimate

2430
02:13:05,720 --> 02:13:09,160
Speaker 1: goal of all of this is to stop progress towards

2431
02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:14,160
Speaker 1: racial justice, to roll back gay rights, UM, to enshrine

2432
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:18,800
Speaker 1: white supremacy using violence. And that's why, that's why all

2433
02:13:18,840 --> 02:13:21,360
Speaker 1: of these different school board meetings, like the the threat

2434
02:13:21,400 --> 02:13:25,480
Speaker 1: of violence from these people is a constant factor. Um.

2435
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:28,120
Speaker 1: There's regular discussion of it. There's like, I mean, that's

2436
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:30,960
Speaker 1: why the Proud Boys are showing up. Is to be

2437
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:34,320
Speaker 1: a of like is to be a death squad. Um,

2438
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, a little precursor death squad. They're not quite

2439
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:39,920
Speaker 1: willing to start start pulling triggers yet, but they want

2440
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:42,040
Speaker 1: people to know that it's possible. They want to scare

2441
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:46,080
Speaker 1: people away from getting involved in local politics unless they

2442
02:13:46,120 --> 02:13:49,480
Speaker 1: adhere to a very specific far right political ideas. It's

2443
02:13:49,480 --> 02:13:51,160
Speaker 1: working because a lot of these school boards are getting

2444
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:52,960
Speaker 1: these school meanings are just getting shut down, like they

2445
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:55,400
Speaker 1: just can't have them in person or sometimes not at

2446
02:13:55,400 --> 02:13:57,240
Speaker 1: all because they'll just they'll like zoom bam. Like it's

2447
02:13:57,240 --> 02:14:00,400
Speaker 1: not like they're just shutting down so they cannot place

2448
02:14:00,520 --> 02:14:02,360
Speaker 1: or at school by members are afraid to go out

2449
02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 1: in public because these people are are going to hurt them. Um.

2450
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:11,040
Speaker 1: And this is like a lot of people involved in

2451
02:14:11,080 --> 02:14:14,320
Speaker 1: this are maybe not themselves like proud boys like they

2452
02:14:14,360 --> 02:14:17,800
Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're not super like they're individually, are

2453
02:14:17,960 --> 02:14:21,080
Speaker 1: more kind of regular Republicans in these states. But the

2454
02:14:21,120 --> 02:14:23,480
Speaker 1: reason why it gets so extreme and it accelted so

2455
02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:27,120
Speaker 1: quickly is mostly because of how these organizing efforts take place,

2456
02:14:27,160 --> 02:14:29,080
Speaker 1: and also because of stuff like Fox News and news

2457
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:31,080
Speaker 1: Max and on it and O A n like pushing

2458
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:32,920
Speaker 1: people further right in the past few years, but like

2459
02:14:33,120 --> 02:14:36,320
Speaker 1: specifically the method of organizing on apps like Telegram and

2460
02:14:36,320 --> 02:14:39,200
Speaker 1: Facebook groups. This this is, this is the thing common

2461
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:43,720
Speaker 1: on the Internet, but like it rewards accelerationism, it rewards

2462
02:14:43,720 --> 02:14:45,600
Speaker 1: the most extreme takes. Those are ones to get shared

2463
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:48,000
Speaker 1: the most. So even if you know this is just

2464
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:51,920
Speaker 1: some mom and her forties who's not a proud boy

2465
02:14:52,080 --> 02:14:55,760
Speaker 1: by any means she's she still poses a threat in

2466
02:14:55,800 --> 02:14:58,720
Speaker 1: this in this way because she's who boosting this same

2467
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:01,880
Speaker 1: rhetoric and as part of these same organizing channels that

2468
02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:06,480
Speaker 1: are full of like actual fascists. Uh. There's a decent

2469
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:09,600
Speaker 1: amount of very popular posts from very popular channels I

2470
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:13,360
Speaker 1: pulled that talks about the Jews and the school boards

2471
02:15:13,400 --> 02:15:16,560
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll get to that kind of stuff shortly. Um.

2472
02:15:16,640 --> 02:15:22,360
Speaker 1: So there, Robert, do you wanna start on the telegram

2473
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:26,920
Speaker 1: with the whole the whole school board Telegram channel that

2474
02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:29,400
Speaker 1: is popped up by no means the most popular Telegram

2475
02:15:29,480 --> 02:15:32,680
Speaker 1: channel for organizing, but it is specifically dedicated to school boards.

2476
02:15:32,920 --> 02:15:35,440
Speaker 1: Because of how Telegram works, this channel gets shared around

2477
02:15:35,480 --> 02:15:38,800
Speaker 1: a lot in other much bigger channels. Yeah, and and

2478
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:40,920
Speaker 1: just so you know, So the way Telegram works, if

2479
02:15:40,920 --> 02:15:45,000
Speaker 1: you're a decent person, um, and you don't live in

2480
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:48,320
Speaker 1: a country where Telegram is a legitimately good choice for you,

2481
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:50,960
Speaker 1: there's some areas where it's perfectly normal social media network,

2482
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:53,320
Speaker 1: but for the most part in the United States it's

2483
02:15:53,400 --> 02:15:57,320
Speaker 1: used by fascists and weirdos. Um. So, if you're fortunate

2484
02:15:57,440 --> 02:15:59,760
Speaker 1: enough to not use Telegram, the way it works is

2485
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:03,280
Speaker 1: you have open groups and closed groups. Open groups are

2486
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:06,680
Speaker 1: anyone can view them, Uh, you don't expose yourself by

2487
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:11,400
Speaker 1: looking at them, and people largely just kind of post images, memes,

2488
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:13,960
Speaker 1: videos and then can comment on them. And a lot

2489
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:16,520
Speaker 1: of what's posted in any given Telegram channel is shared

2490
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:19,480
Speaker 1: from another Telegram channel. So for people like Garrison and

2491
02:16:19,520 --> 02:16:22,520
Speaker 1: I who research extremism. One of the uses of telegram

2492
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:25,440
Speaker 1: is that by looking at what's being shared in one

2493
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:27,600
Speaker 1: group from other groups, you can actually start to build

2494
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:30,960
Speaker 1: networks and see, oh, there's affinity between these two groups,

2495
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:34,959
Speaker 1: because this group may claim that they're just concerned conservatives,

2496
02:16:34,959 --> 02:16:38,040
Speaker 1: but they're sharing all of this all of this content

2497
02:16:38,120 --> 02:16:40,360
Speaker 1: from this far right, you know, PEP a group that's

2498
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:42,920
Speaker 1: also sharing a lot of neo Nazi content, and you

2499
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:45,360
Speaker 1: can see there's a lot of affinity between the other

2500
02:16:45,400 --> 02:16:47,880
Speaker 1: thing that happens is that these channels that are getting

2501
02:16:47,879 --> 02:16:50,000
Speaker 1: big and being you and you are being used for

2502
02:16:50,040 --> 02:16:52,680
Speaker 1: this kind of like right wing organizing who present themselves

2503
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:55,960
Speaker 1: as more just like regular conservative channels. If you I've

2504
02:16:55,959 --> 02:16:58,480
Speaker 1: been in this channel for like years at this point,

2505
02:16:58,680 --> 02:17:01,600
Speaker 1: and this channel used to be a like Proud Boy channel.

2506
02:17:01,640 --> 02:17:04,480
Speaker 1: They just changed their name. Like It's like that happens

2507
02:17:04,600 --> 02:17:06,480
Speaker 1: all the time, where a lot of the big organizing

2508
02:17:06,560 --> 02:17:10,280
Speaker 1: channels used to be like openly violent organizing, like for

2509
02:17:10,480 --> 02:17:13,440
Speaker 1: different mobs to go beat up people, and now they've

2510
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:17,440
Speaker 1: rebranded to make them appeal more to like just regular

2511
02:17:17,480 --> 02:17:20,240
Speaker 1: Trump voters. That is the other thing that happens all

2512
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:21,879
Speaker 1: the time, and one of the main channels that we're

2513
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:25,240
Speaker 1: talking about today is one of these one of these

2514
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:27,080
Speaker 1: channels that used to be a proud boy thing and

2515
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:30,760
Speaker 1: is now just kind of right wing organizing a general Yeah,

2516
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:32,520
Speaker 1: and it's um, I don't know, I'm just gonna get

2517
02:17:32,560 --> 02:17:35,040
Speaker 1: into it. So actually, you know what I'm going to

2518
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:39,560
Speaker 1: get into before I start talking about fascists on telegram

2519
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:43,360
Speaker 1: trying to destroy the concept of democracy. You know what

2520
02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:47,240
Speaker 1: else is trying to destroy the concept of democracy. That's right, Chris,

2521
02:17:47,640 --> 02:17:51,560
Speaker 1: products and services, that's right. Oh my god, we are

2522
02:17:51,680 --> 02:17:54,640
Speaker 1: just having a great time here. So let's talk about

2523
02:17:54,680 --> 02:17:58,400
Speaker 1: Stand for Students, which is a telegram channel that Garrison

2524
02:17:58,440 --> 02:18:00,840
Speaker 1: pointed out to me. And I spent more time than

2525
02:18:00,879 --> 02:18:04,520
Speaker 1: I really wanted to. Yeah, that's never, never, never a

2526
02:18:04,560 --> 02:18:07,680
Speaker 1: good idea. So the stuff in here, this is number one,

2527
02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:10,039
Speaker 1: on the surface, a much more moderate group. These people

2528
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:13,600
Speaker 1: are not ranting about like Jews destroying civilization or the

2529
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:20,240
Speaker 1: need to like execute uh black people or something like that. Um,

2530
02:18:20,800 --> 02:18:22,680
Speaker 1: the stuff in here runs the gamut from like one

2531
02:18:22,720 --> 02:18:25,240
Speaker 1: of the first things I found was a clip from

2532
02:18:25,959 --> 02:18:30,280
Speaker 1: Jesse Ventura, wrestler, predator star and former governor once had

2533
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:33,440
Speaker 1: a conspiracy TV show. There's a popular clip in anti

2534
02:18:33,560 --> 02:18:37,400
Speaker 1: vaccine circles from it where he's talking with Alex Jones

2535
02:18:37,720 --> 02:18:39,760
Speaker 1: about the Builderberg group and stuff. So I found that

2536
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:43,560
Speaker 1: in there, which is like pretty garden variety, like early

2537
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:47,360
Speaker 1: two thousands conspiracy nonsense. Definitely like, oh yeah, these are

2538
02:18:47,480 --> 02:18:50,959
Speaker 1: like older people, like I don't think mostly boomers, but

2539
02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,320
Speaker 1: definitely gen X and stuff, like folks who were in

2540
02:18:53,400 --> 02:18:56,360
Speaker 1: like their forties and fifties. Um, this is the kind

2541
02:18:56,360 --> 02:18:58,520
Speaker 1: of ship that they would have been like exposed to

2542
02:18:58,600 --> 02:19:02,400
Speaker 1: in their late twenties and whatnot. Um. One of the

2543
02:19:02,400 --> 02:19:06,160
Speaker 1: posters I found commenting on that video said, quote aired

2544
02:19:06,200 --> 02:19:08,120
Speaker 1: onto TV in two that's a nine about a plan

2545
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:11,440
Speaker 1: for depopulation through a virus and injections. Too much of

2546
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:14,560
Speaker 1: a coincidence, And another responded to this. I was never

2547
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:17,360
Speaker 1: a huge Alex Jones fan, but he was right all along.

2548
02:19:17,680 --> 02:19:19,720
Speaker 1: My kids were born in the early eighties and I

2549
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:22,720
Speaker 1: refused their vaxes way back then. Unfortunately, one of them

2550
02:19:22,760 --> 02:19:25,280
Speaker 1: is now a late thirties CNN jabbed zombie and has

2551
02:19:25,320 --> 02:19:30,680
Speaker 1: infected my grandkids with this inspiric experimental treatment. I'm done, um,

2552
02:19:30,720 --> 02:19:34,760
Speaker 1: which is silly, but it also keeps you and like,

2553
02:19:34,879 --> 02:19:36,920
Speaker 1: these are it's it's what you see a lot with

2554
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:39,680
Speaker 1: Q and on right, it's these folks who are getting

2555
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:43,040
Speaker 1: brought in onto telegraph. Yeah, it's great. It's terrible that

2556
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 1: this person, this lady who has to be what in

2557
02:19:45,879 --> 02:19:51,160
Speaker 1: her fifties sixties on my parents age, the boomer um

2558
02:19:51,400 --> 02:19:55,039
Speaker 1: is on telegram, which two years ago even was the

2559
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:58,600
Speaker 1: only Americans you were would find were like extremely online

2560
02:19:58,680 --> 02:20:02,800
Speaker 1: nazi weirdos. Um. Yeah, I remember doing like old training

2561
02:20:02,920 --> 02:20:05,440
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, it was like over over two years ago,

2562
02:20:05,480 --> 02:20:09,400
Speaker 1: and Telegram was nowhere near this prevalm for like regular organizing.

2563
02:20:10,040 --> 02:20:13,360
Speaker 1: And this is a result of of the d platforming

2564
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:16,440
Speaker 1: of folks in the wake of the capital attack. But anyway,

2565
02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:18,280
Speaker 1: we don't need to get too much into that right now.

2566
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,039
Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit more about

2567
02:20:20,080 --> 02:20:22,160
Speaker 1: some of the things folks are sharing in this in

2568
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:24,560
Speaker 1: this channel, which is again kind of like I'm gonna

2569
02:20:24,560 --> 02:20:27,760
Speaker 1: guess everyone here is kind of late thirties to maybe sixties,

2570
02:20:27,800 --> 02:20:32,000
Speaker 1: fifties sixties. There's one local story that it was actually

2571
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:34,480
Speaker 1: very popular among a lot of like lefty folks on

2572
02:20:34,480 --> 02:20:37,640
Speaker 1: Twitter of this like group of dads who showed up

2573
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:39,720
Speaker 1: to stop there's like an epidemic of fighting in their

2574
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:41,480
Speaker 1: school or something, and they showed up to do like

2575
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:44,920
Speaker 1: a community policing or a community self defense sort of thing.

2576
02:20:45,320 --> 02:20:47,400
Speaker 1: It was celebrated by a lot of folks because it

2577
02:20:47,440 --> 02:20:49,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh, hey, this is you know, a way

2578
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:52,440
Speaker 1: that communities can protect themselves without cops, YadA, YadA YadA,

2579
02:20:52,600 --> 02:20:54,680
Speaker 1: which is a nice thing to see. It was also

2580
02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:59,560
Speaker 1: celebrated um by these people, um, by by people in

2581
02:20:59,560 --> 02:21:02,600
Speaker 1: this channel, and specifically the clip of the news story

2582
02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:06,000
Speaker 1: covering this I found was from the Pepe Lives Matter channel,

2583
02:21:06,480 --> 02:21:11,160
Speaker 1: which is, um, you know, an alt right channel like it. Again,

2584
02:21:11,160 --> 02:21:13,800
Speaker 1: as we were talking about earlier, the Pepe Lives isn't

2585
02:21:13,800 --> 02:21:17,600
Speaker 1: all like the way full Nazi pilled stuff, um, but

2586
02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:19,760
Speaker 1: it shares a lot of stuff from the channels that

2587
02:21:19,800 --> 02:21:21,760
Speaker 1: are straight up Nazis, And so you can you can

2588
02:21:21,800 --> 02:21:25,640
Speaker 1: see already this like lady in her sixties who's probably

2589
02:21:25,640 --> 02:21:28,400
Speaker 1: with some pretty normal boomer three years ago, is now

2590
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:32,560
Speaker 1: two steps away from Adam often type motherfucker's that's just

2591
02:21:32,600 --> 02:21:35,600
Speaker 1: the way telegram works, um, and they're all kind of

2592
02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:39,039
Speaker 1: bonding over again, this is not a bad story what

2593
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:41,520
Speaker 1: these local dads did, but it very much ties into

2594
02:21:41,560 --> 02:21:44,440
Speaker 1: this idea of like, we gotta get all these parents

2595
02:21:44,480 --> 02:21:47,200
Speaker 1: together and take action in the real world, like and

2596
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:49,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna go towards taking action against the

2597
02:21:49,800 --> 02:21:51,959
Speaker 1: people you don't want showing up in your school, meaning

2598
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:57,000
Speaker 1: like black children and like children. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

2599
02:21:57,000 --> 02:22:00,840
Speaker 1: Community self defense is great, but also it really depends

2600
02:22:00,879 --> 02:22:05,280
Speaker 1: on what community is defending itself from what. UM So

2601
02:22:05,560 --> 02:22:08,120
Speaker 1: that's uh, we'll probably we'll have to talk about that

2602
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:11,400
Speaker 1: more at some point in the future. But yeah. Another

2603
02:22:11,440 --> 02:22:14,000
Speaker 1: thing I found on that channel was video this This

2604
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:16,760
Speaker 1: I dug into a bit. So there was this video

2605
02:22:17,240 --> 02:22:19,440
Speaker 1: that was claimed to be an ad. It was, in

2606
02:22:19,480 --> 02:22:22,680
Speaker 1: fact an ad that Comcast had refused to air. UM

2607
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:26,080
Speaker 1: and the video this, this unaired ad claimed that it

2608
02:22:26,120 --> 02:22:28,560
Speaker 1: was about. It was telling the story of a thirteen

2609
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:32,760
Speaker 1: year old girl, Maddie de garay Um, who was vaccinated.

2610
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:35,920
Speaker 1: She was part of a FASER trial and had, she claims,

2611
02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:39,840
Speaker 1: like a disastrously bad reaction. UM an ad about her

2612
02:22:39,879 --> 02:22:43,680
Speaker 1: situation was rejected by Comcast. UM and this girl like

2613
02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:45,959
Speaker 1: has done the whole right wing in her I'm I'm

2614
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:48,080
Speaker 1: guessing her parents are the driver's done the whole right

2615
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:51,760
Speaker 1: wing media kind of circuit at this point. Um, the

2616
02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:54,160
Speaker 1: fact that Comcast banned the ad is what the people

2617
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:57,040
Speaker 1: in this telegram channel were yelling about. UM. And I

2618
02:22:57,080 --> 02:23:00,440
Speaker 1: want to actually quote from the an article about why

2619
02:23:00,520 --> 02:23:03,320
Speaker 1: Comcast rejected it, because it makes clear what's actually happening here.

2620
02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:05,640
Speaker 1: Comcast is said to have told the ads buyer it

2621
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:08,840
Speaker 1: was rejected because it needed substantiation and all graphic images

2622
02:23:08,879 --> 02:23:12,600
Speaker 1: needed to be removed. Documents reportedly submitted for substantiation included

2623
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:14,720
Speaker 1: the girls complete medical records, which are said to have

2624
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:18,320
Speaker 1: outlined symptoms such as erratic blood pressure and pulse, muscle spasms,

2625
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:20,840
Speaker 1: muscle tremors, headaches, brain fog, mixing up words, and the

2626
02:23:20,840 --> 02:23:24,200
Speaker 1: inability to walk and cough. Um. So you've got this

2627
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:27,560
Speaker 1: case where number one there's graphic images, um, and number

2628
02:23:27,560 --> 02:23:31,720
Speaker 1: two there's documentations that this girl has symptoms, but there's

2629
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:34,400
Speaker 1: not documentation that they're tied in any way to the vaccine,

2630
02:23:34,400 --> 02:23:37,560
Speaker 1: Like it's just one of these the Comcast is being

2631
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:44,560
Speaker 1: careful to not spread unsubstantiated shit about vaccine reactions and stuff. Um.

2632
02:23:44,600 --> 02:23:47,920
Speaker 1: But within the telegram channel, the focus is entirely on

2633
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:51,640
Speaker 1: like how this is evidence of this conspiracy there suppressing

2634
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:56,840
Speaker 1: information suppressing information. Um. One response was why in Heaven's

2635
02:23:56,920 --> 02:23:59,600
Speaker 1: name don't these parents do their research before having their

2636
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:02,920
Speaker 1: kids vaccinated. My heart goes out to the precious child

2637
02:24:02,920 --> 02:24:05,600
Speaker 1: and family. What a lesson to learn for so many parents.

2638
02:24:05,879 --> 02:24:09,400
Speaker 1: Never too late to educate yourselves people. Um. Also, I

2639
02:24:09,400 --> 02:24:13,360
Speaker 1: want to point it just that the spelling and they

2640
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:17,640
Speaker 1: are incredible. There's an upsetting amount of emojis that. Yeah, honestly,

2641
02:24:17,720 --> 02:24:21,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't never never two with one oh late to

2642
02:24:21,280 --> 02:24:26,320
Speaker 1: educate your space selves. Uh, it's just again and now

2643
02:24:26,360 --> 02:24:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing the doing the thing. I'm doing the thing

2644
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:31,200
Speaker 1: I tried not to. I did try to give it

2645
02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:34,240
Speaker 1: a straight read through. You can be challenging when it's

2646
02:24:34,280 --> 02:24:37,640
Speaker 1: like it's very funny content. It's it's very funny. Yeah,

2647
02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:40,000
Speaker 1: but but but I think you know this. This is

2648
02:24:40,879 --> 02:24:42,480
Speaker 1: this goes back to the who point about how this

2649
02:24:42,520 --> 02:24:46,840
Speaker 1: pradicalization works, right, which is, you know you have, especially

2650
02:24:46,879 --> 02:24:49,920
Speaker 1: with anti vax stuff that has this sort of larger

2651
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:54,199
Speaker 1: base from just like regular peer like hard right nazi stuff.

2652
02:24:55,120 --> 02:24:58,920
Speaker 1: You get to see people who you know otherwise probably

2653
02:24:58,959 --> 02:25:01,320
Speaker 1: would be a vaguely normal and very very quickly get

2654
02:25:01,400 --> 02:25:02,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff and very quickly just go off the

2655
02:25:02,840 --> 02:25:06,720
Speaker 1: deep end. They're not. Yeah, it's these It is it's

2656
02:25:06,760 --> 02:25:09,039
Speaker 1: hard to like say, like, these are all extremists because

2657
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:11,720
Speaker 1: like they are themselves aren't extremists. There's surrounded by so

2658
02:25:11,800 --> 02:25:14,879
Speaker 1: much content that is made by extremists that it's making

2659
02:25:14,920 --> 02:25:16,680
Speaker 1: them do these things, which is how which is how

2660
02:25:16,760 --> 02:25:19,800
Speaker 1: extremism works, right, But it's it's challenging because like when

2661
02:25:19,840 --> 02:25:21,360
Speaker 1: you try to explain this to someone, you're like, no,

2662
02:25:21,440 --> 02:25:24,160
Speaker 1: this is obviously just like a regular grandma or something, right,

2663
02:25:24,480 --> 02:25:26,320
Speaker 1: And it's hard to explain to them how fast this

2664
02:25:26,360 --> 02:25:28,520
Speaker 1: thing can move to the point where they're showing up

2665
02:25:28,520 --> 02:25:31,320
Speaker 1: at a school board with their grand children yelling at

2666
02:25:31,400 --> 02:25:34,160
Speaker 1: like teachers and stuff. Yeah, and it's not that this

2667
02:25:34,240 --> 02:25:37,600
Speaker 1: lady is a Nazi. It's that this lady can be,

2668
02:25:37,720 --> 02:25:40,720
Speaker 1: through the process you just outlined, convinced to stand up

2669
02:25:41,160 --> 02:25:46,000
Speaker 1: next to a Nazi and like, uh, defend his his

2670
02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:48,760
Speaker 1: right to do violence to people she has been convinced

2671
02:25:48,840 --> 02:25:52,400
Speaker 1: are president a threat to the lives of her her grandchildren,

2672
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:56,039
Speaker 1: which is people may say like the whole like, oh,

2673
02:25:56,080 --> 02:25:58,280
Speaker 1: it's not worth parsing out that much if you're standing

2674
02:25:58,320 --> 02:25:59,840
Speaker 1: next to a Nazi or a Nazi, But like I

2675
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:03,959
Speaker 1: would argue, no, what's actually the logistics of what is

2676
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:07,280
Speaker 1: happening here are much more dangerous than a grandma got

2677
02:26:07,400 --> 02:26:12,120
Speaker 1: radicalized into national socialism. Anyway, another meme I found it

2678
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:15,840
Speaker 1: was a screen grab from fucking um Shawshank Redemption with

2679
02:26:16,280 --> 02:26:18,840
Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman and I don't know whatever one of the

2680
02:26:18,840 --> 02:26:21,760
Speaker 1: white dudes in that movie in prison jumpsuits sitting next

2681
02:26:21,800 --> 02:26:23,800
Speaker 1: to each other, and it's the text on it is

2682
02:26:23,800 --> 02:26:25,720
Speaker 1: what are you in for? I spoke of at a

2683
02:26:25,720 --> 02:26:28,000
Speaker 1: school board meeting, which you she see a lot of

2684
02:26:28,040 --> 02:26:30,360
Speaker 1: stuff like this, this idea that they're going to jail,

2685
02:26:30,360 --> 02:26:32,560
Speaker 1: they're going to get rated by the FBI because they're

2686
02:26:32,600 --> 02:26:36,640
Speaker 1: like showing up at school boards to protest vaccine mandates

2687
02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:40,800
Speaker 1: and mask mandates. Um. And then like in the middle

2688
02:26:40,840 --> 02:26:43,680
Speaker 1: of all this stuff mostly talking about like anti vac shit,

2689
02:26:43,879 --> 02:26:48,280
Speaker 1: there's also this post talking about how this post that's

2690
02:26:48,320 --> 02:26:51,560
Speaker 1: a video of a woman at a school board talking

2691
02:26:51,560 --> 02:26:54,440
Speaker 1: about how a book needed to be banned and she's

2692
02:26:54,480 --> 02:26:57,920
Speaker 1: reading the book she's reading is a queer memoir. Um.

2693
02:26:58,120 --> 02:27:00,760
Speaker 1: And I'll talk about this more are at the end,

2694
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:02,640
Speaker 1: but you can definitely mention it here because it gets

2695
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:04,840
Speaker 1: up a lot it's it's a gay it's a gay

2696
02:27:04,879 --> 02:27:06,800
Speaker 1: coming of age story, right, And as a result, there's

2697
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:10,320
Speaker 1: a couple of semi graphic scenes in it, and she

2698
02:27:10,480 --> 02:27:12,000
Speaker 1: like gets up in front of the school board and

2699
02:27:12,040 --> 02:27:15,640
Speaker 1: reads this and argues that it's basically like pornography their children.

2700
02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:19,280
Speaker 1: They think it's child pornography. Yeah, that's what they're marching

2701
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:22,920
Speaker 1: mistaken what child pornography is. They're trying to they're trying

2702
02:27:22,959 --> 02:27:24,680
Speaker 1: to get all the people at the school board either

2703
02:27:24,760 --> 02:27:28,039
Speaker 1: killed or arrested over this. That is that is their goal.

2704
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:30,240
Speaker 1: And I'll talk about this specific instance later because it

2705
02:27:30,360 --> 02:27:32,560
Speaker 1: keeps coming up with all of these channels, and it's

2706
02:27:32,600 --> 02:27:35,280
Speaker 1: one of the main things that links someone from like

2707
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:37,320
Speaker 1: a sodden red channel to a channel like this. This

2708
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:39,080
Speaker 1: is like one of the main things they've been using

2709
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:41,200
Speaker 1: the past few weeks as this is the current, this

2710
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:43,480
Speaker 1: is like the past, and and this is this though,

2711
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:45,320
Speaker 1: has been going on for a while. You've seen a

2712
02:27:45,320 --> 02:27:47,200
Speaker 1: lot of like a libertarian right wing, a lot of

2713
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:50,200
Speaker 1: like kill your local pedophile shirts because who's gonna a

2714
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:52,200
Speaker 1: lot most people don't think, like who's going to defend

2715
02:27:52,200 --> 02:27:56,720
Speaker 1: a pedophile pedophiles? Yeah, the proud boy at the Portland

2716
02:27:56,760 --> 02:27:59,160
Speaker 1: School Board who was standing and ready to fight the

2717
02:27:59,440 --> 02:28:01,520
Speaker 1: ready to fight scurity guards and stuff. He was wearing

2718
02:28:01,560 --> 02:28:05,000
Speaker 1: a kill your local pedophile. Uh, it's this is this

2719
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:06,080
Speaker 1: is the thing. This is the thing the right wing

2720
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:07,560
Speaker 1: figured out. And if they figured this out a long

2721
02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:10,240
Speaker 1: time ago, which is that Okay, if if you want

2722
02:28:10,400 --> 02:28:13,560
Speaker 1: to get a bunch of people who are vaguely normal

2723
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:17,160
Speaker 1: to do like absolutely horrible violence, the way you do

2724
02:28:17,240 --> 02:28:19,680
Speaker 1: it is to tell them that they're threatening kids and

2725
02:28:19,800 --> 02:28:25,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what work. So well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2726
02:28:25,240 --> 02:28:28,000
Speaker 1: and you know, and this once and once you've convinced

2727
02:28:28,320 --> 02:28:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, like this, this is this is just a

2728
02:28:30,320 --> 02:28:32,119
Speaker 1: very I think a very important thing about media messaging

2729
02:28:32,120 --> 02:28:35,640
Speaker 1: in general is that the literally the instant someone says

2730
02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:38,600
Speaker 1: think of the children, you need to stop and you

2731
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:45,080
Speaker 1: need to disregard everything they're about to say after that. Yeah,

2732
02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:49,560
Speaker 1: like of the time that person is like about to

2733
02:28:49,640 --> 02:28:52,320
Speaker 1: try to convince you that like you need to like

2734
02:28:52,400 --> 02:28:53,959
Speaker 1: we need to murder the gauge or something like that.

2735
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:57,040
Speaker 1: Like That's that. That's the thing that follows from I

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Speaker 1: feel confident saying no one has ever advocated thinking of

2737
02:29:01,240 --> 02:29:03,760
Speaker 1: the children and meant anything, But I want to kill

2738
02:29:03,879 --> 02:29:08,720
Speaker 1: this specific group of people. Um, just like I that's

2739
02:29:08,760 --> 02:29:12,680
Speaker 1: not even really hyperbole. It's it's a a trite and

2740
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:15,320
Speaker 1: true organizing tactic for these people. And it's part of

2741
02:29:15,320 --> 02:29:19,320
Speaker 1: the reason why, like the famous white nationalist catchphrase is

2742
02:29:19,360 --> 02:29:22,360
Speaker 1: focused around, we need to secure a future for white children, right, Like,

2743
02:29:22,400 --> 02:29:24,920
Speaker 1: that's what they're always talking about with all of this

2744
02:29:25,080 --> 02:29:28,560
Speaker 1: ship and it's it's about being able to demonize a

2745
02:29:28,600 --> 02:29:30,400
Speaker 1: group in a way that they can't be defended. It's

2746
02:29:30,400 --> 02:29:33,680
Speaker 1: about ending any sort of debate or conversation, and it's

2747
02:29:33,720 --> 02:29:39,600
Speaker 1: about justifying thoughtless violence because it's you're protecting children. Um.

2748
02:29:39,720 --> 02:29:42,760
Speaker 1: You know who else protects children, Robert definitely not the

2749
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:46,640
Speaker 1: advertisers of this show, um, because we are sponsored by

2750
02:29:47,080 --> 02:29:51,280
Speaker 1: raytheon brand. School bus seeking missiles the only missiles that

2751
02:29:51,400 --> 02:29:54,720
Speaker 1: only seek school buses. You cannot shoot them at a tank,

2752
02:29:54,760 --> 02:29:57,000
Speaker 1: at a at a technical at a at a terrorist

2753
02:29:57,280 --> 02:29:59,880
Speaker 1: training camp. They go right for school buses no matter

2754
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:01,560
Speaker 1: where you aim them. So in that way, there are

2755
02:30:01,560 --> 02:30:03,640
Speaker 1: a fire and forget kind of weapon as long as

2756
02:30:03,959 --> 02:30:07,039
Speaker 1: you're willing to forget anything but hitting a child's school

2757
02:30:07,080 --> 02:30:09,400
Speaker 1: bus with a with a missile. Okay, here's here's the

2758
02:30:09,959 --> 02:30:13,200
Speaker 1: check it out. All right, well we're back still talking

2759
02:30:13,240 --> 02:30:17,240
Speaker 1: about this. Uh so last segment for this episode. As

2760
02:30:17,240 --> 02:30:19,400
Speaker 1: we as we as I was talking about, there's a

2761
02:30:19,440 --> 02:30:22,039
Speaker 1: post and in the post is a video of a

2762
02:30:22,040 --> 02:30:24,360
Speaker 1: woman from a different school board meeting reading out a

2763
02:30:24,440 --> 02:30:28,480
Speaker 1: graphics graphic ish sex scene from this queer memoir and

2764
02:30:28,879 --> 02:30:34,400
Speaker 1: ranting about how it's it's child pornography. Comments include fucking

2765
02:30:34,400 --> 02:30:38,920
Speaker 1: monsters running these schools, satanic and disgusting an elementary school. Unreal.

2766
02:30:39,560 --> 02:30:42,680
Speaker 1: Why aren't charges brought against the school for distributing pornography

2767
02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:47,600
Speaker 1: to minors? It's not even read they can It's just

2768
02:30:47,640 --> 02:30:52,280
Speaker 1: available from some other library, like because you can request

2769
02:30:52,280 --> 02:30:55,720
Speaker 1: a lot of books at libraries in all caps. Where's

2770
02:30:55,720 --> 02:30:58,560
Speaker 1: the sheriffs? Where are the city, county, state and federal

2771
02:30:58,600 --> 02:31:03,120
Speaker 1: task forces? And uh yeah, it's I'll talk about this

2772
02:31:03,240 --> 02:31:06,520
Speaker 1: more in the next episode. Tied to the overarching anti

2773
02:31:06,840 --> 02:31:11,240
Speaker 1: anti queer, anti trans, anti gay school board side of things,

2774
02:31:11,600 --> 02:31:13,440
Speaker 1: and of course other things I found there's like video

2775
02:31:13,480 --> 02:31:17,359
Speaker 1: of them celebrating capital rioters, celebrating Josh Holly for defending

2776
02:31:17,400 --> 02:31:20,280
Speaker 1: capital rioters. Um. I went into some other channels that

2777
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:23,400
Speaker 1: were adjacent that I saw shared, you know, in this channel.

2778
02:31:23,800 --> 02:31:27,160
Speaker 1: One of them was Oscar's Midnight Writer Patriot Post channel,

2779
02:31:27,160 --> 02:31:30,440
Speaker 1: which actually thousands and thousands of followers. Average post would

2780
02:31:30,480 --> 02:31:34,000
Speaker 1: get two to three thousand views. Um, here's one. I'm

2781
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:36,480
Speaker 1: considered a domestic terrorist if I tell a school board

2782
02:31:36,480 --> 02:31:38,200
Speaker 1: that I don't want my eight year old daughter watching

2783
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:41,360
Speaker 1: sex videos in her third grade classroom. Um, and that

2784
02:31:41,440 --> 02:31:44,680
Speaker 1: post was right above this post. The constitution actually says

2785
02:31:44,720 --> 02:31:47,400
Speaker 1: you can legally overthrow your government if they are tyrannical.

2786
02:31:47,800 --> 02:31:50,000
Speaker 1: And that post was right above this post, which was

2787
02:31:50,200 --> 02:31:53,800
Speaker 1: a screen which was a screen grab from a Twitter

2788
02:31:53,879 --> 02:31:57,400
Speaker 1: account for a guy who calls himself Murray Rothbard's seventeen

2789
02:31:57,480 --> 02:32:01,039
Speaker 1: seventy six. The FBI didn't rate Epstein islander protect hundreds

2790
02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:03,800
Speaker 1: of young female gymnasts from being sexually assaulted for years,

2791
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:06,120
Speaker 1: But they'll raid your PTA meetings when you questioned the

2792
02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:09,640
Speaker 1: curriculum and on scientific mask mandates and their indoctrination camps,

2793
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:13,840
Speaker 1: I mean public schools. And of course this from Twitter

2794
02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:16,320
Speaker 1: user named Emerald Robinson. And again this is all shared

2795
02:32:16,360 --> 02:32:18,680
Speaker 1: in that channel. It's like a screen grab from Twitter.

2796
02:32:18,959 --> 02:32:21,560
Speaker 1: When the FBI starts arresting parents at school board meetings,

2797
02:32:21,560 --> 02:32:24,000
Speaker 1: just remember the GOP senators who made it happen by

2798
02:32:24,000 --> 02:32:26,520
Speaker 1: confirming Merritt Gardland as Attorney General. And then it's a

2799
02:32:26,560 --> 02:32:30,760
Speaker 1: list of Republican u Emerald Eard Robinson is the White

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Speaker 1: House correspondent for News Max. Oh right, Oh my god, yeah,

2801
02:32:34,959 --> 02:32:39,080
Speaker 1: you're right. Uh huh great great. So I don't know,

2802
02:32:39,200 --> 02:32:42,360
Speaker 1: that's probably all I should get into. Well, no, there's

2803
02:32:42,360 --> 02:32:46,840
Speaker 1: a we can one more things. So Oscar's Midnight Writer,

2804
02:32:46,959 --> 02:32:50,000
Speaker 1: which was shared in in that uh that school board

2805
02:32:50,080 --> 02:32:53,400
Speaker 1: channel took me to the Western Chauvinist school Board Channel,

2806
02:32:53,560 --> 02:32:55,920
Speaker 1: which took me to a post which with a video

2807
02:32:56,480 --> 02:32:58,680
Speaker 1: UM with a link to a video. The text with

2808
02:32:58,760 --> 02:33:01,080
Speaker 1: the video was woman it's cool board meeting calls out

2809
02:33:01,160 --> 02:33:04,600
Speaker 1: Jewish power by name. Um and it's a woman ranting

2810
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:06,680
Speaker 1: about how the Jews are behind all of the critical

2811
02:33:06,760 --> 02:33:10,760
Speaker 1: race theory in schools. Um. So again not hard to

2812
02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:14,000
Speaker 1: get to this kind of ship. Another post was it

2813
02:33:14,120 --> 02:33:16,560
Speaker 1: was in the Western Chauvinist Telegram. It was sharing a

2814
02:33:16,600 --> 02:33:19,119
Speaker 1: post from the Murder the Media Telegram, who were part

2815
02:33:19,160 --> 02:33:22,280
Speaker 1: of the Capital riot. UM. That post from Murder the

2816
02:33:22,320 --> 02:33:25,959
Speaker 1: Media was National school Board Association apology letter for calling

2817
02:33:25,959 --> 02:33:28,800
Speaker 1: you domestic terrorists. It was we'll talk about this later,

2818
02:33:29,080 --> 02:33:31,440
Speaker 1: but the comment in the Western Chauvinist was like, we

2819
02:33:31,480 --> 02:33:35,440
Speaker 1: don't apologize for being like for being domestic terrorists, Like

2820
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:38,160
Speaker 1: we're yeah, we we think it's rad that they called

2821
02:33:38,240 --> 02:33:41,000
Speaker 1: us domestic terrorists. Because the Chavinist channel, by the way,

2822
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:44,160
Speaker 1: has over fifty subscribers UM and used to be a

2823
02:33:44,160 --> 02:33:46,960
Speaker 1: Proud Boy channel, which is now just a general kind

2824
02:33:46,959 --> 02:33:50,720
Speaker 1: of farther right wing organizing channel that it's probably it's

2825
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:55,560
Speaker 1: one of the most shared Telegram channels in this whole network. UM.

2826
02:33:55,600 --> 02:33:59,120
Speaker 1: And they are really good at creating propaganda that appeals

2827
02:33:59,160 --> 02:34:02,080
Speaker 1: to Trump voter while slipping in a lot of accelerationist

2828
02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:05,959
Speaker 1: talking points UM to slowly lead people on that redcrumb

2829
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:08,520
Speaker 1: trail to make them be okay with mass silence. There

2830
02:34:08,640 --> 02:34:12,520
Speaker 1: was a comment in there, forwarded from another from the

2831
02:34:12,560 --> 02:34:15,760
Speaker 1: telegram account of a guy named Eric Striker UM, and

2832
02:34:15,840 --> 02:34:19,160
Speaker 1: this was a post Striker made commenting on a video

2833
02:34:19,240 --> 02:34:21,520
Speaker 1: of a father being dragged out of a quote woke

2834
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:27,600
Speaker 1: school board meeting. UM for uh complaining of complaining about

2835
02:34:27,720 --> 02:34:31,600
Speaker 1: this kind of ship UM. The post from Eric Striker

2836
02:34:31,879 --> 02:34:33,720
Speaker 1: I think is worth reading, and I'm going to read

2837
02:34:33,720 --> 02:34:36,400
Speaker 1: it now for now, all we can do is impotently

2838
02:34:36,400 --> 02:34:39,320
Speaker 1: watch injustices like this unfold. This is really upsetting. We

2839
02:34:39,400 --> 02:34:41,840
Speaker 1: must build our political organization to the point where we

2840
02:34:41,879 --> 02:34:45,720
Speaker 1: can rapidly mobilize to defend this man, including physical demonstrations,

2841
02:34:45,959 --> 02:34:48,360
Speaker 1: sent him free legal support, and make people realize that

2842
02:34:48,360 --> 02:34:50,640
Speaker 1: the time of fucking with whites is over. We need

2843
02:34:50,680 --> 02:34:53,480
Speaker 1: our own media, civil society groups and activists. We need

2844
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:56,480
Speaker 1: money and volunteers. It's not the Republican Party or anything

2845
02:34:56,480 --> 02:34:59,000
Speaker 1: in the conservative movement. It never will be. We need

2846
02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:01,800
Speaker 1: to build it from scrap. We are well underway National

2847
02:35:01,879 --> 02:35:05,600
Speaker 1: Justice Party. We must quietly and patiently build. Eventually we

2848
02:35:05,640 --> 02:35:07,520
Speaker 1: will have the capacity to come on the scene when

2849
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:09,320
Speaker 1: they at least expect it and will be and we

2850
02:35:09,360 --> 02:35:12,720
Speaker 1: will be too powerful to stop. And that's probably where

2851
02:35:12,760 --> 02:35:17,640
Speaker 1: we should end for today. Yep. That that's a good

2852
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:21,560
Speaker 1: part on good sad intro into the current problem of

2853
02:35:21,720 --> 02:35:24,959
Speaker 1: schoolboary meetings. We'll get into a lot more like accelerating

2854
02:35:25,000 --> 02:35:26,840
Speaker 1: rhetoric in the next bit and then talk about kind

2855
02:35:26,840 --> 02:35:29,480
Speaker 1: of where the stuff originated from and the other other

2856
02:35:29,520 --> 02:35:32,440
Speaker 1: side of things beyond, just like the CRT and UH

2857
02:35:32,480 --> 02:35:34,520
Speaker 1: and and mask stuff, because it branches out into a

2858
02:35:34,520 --> 02:35:40,400
Speaker 1: lot of other kind of adjacent cultural war bullshit issues. Um, anyway, yeah,

2859
02:35:40,400 --> 02:35:44,119
Speaker 1: we'll do that tomorrow. Um you can all the show

2860
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Speaker 1: on those apps. Get you know, I just found out

2864
02:35:53,480 --> 02:35:56,920
Speaker 1: they'll deliver skinned gators to your door. Get into cooking gators.

2865
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Speaker 1: That's what I plan to do. Getting off Twitter and

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Speaker 1: kill somebody, and he started laughing. Prosecutors described him as

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Speaker 1: a serial killer survant, kicking up these girls, getting him

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Speaker 1: What second? My part of this episode on right Wing

2899
02:38:27,040 --> 02:38:31,480
Speaker 1: attempts to attack and dominate school board meetings in order

2900
02:38:31,520 --> 02:38:35,560
Speaker 1: to further their ability to do violence on marginalized groups

2901
02:38:35,760 --> 02:38:43,640
Speaker 1: and also erode democratic institutions from the ground. Uh stage title, Yeah, yeah,

2902
02:38:43,680 --> 02:38:47,880
Speaker 1: that'll that'll click. Well Ah, I'm so glad we don't

2903
02:38:47,879 --> 02:38:52,320
Speaker 1: have to worry about clicking and titles. And that took

2904
02:38:52,360 --> 02:38:54,480
Speaker 1: up a lot of my mind back in the day, Garrison,

2905
02:38:54,760 --> 02:38:57,360
Speaker 1: back when, back when the internet was different. Now we

2906
02:38:57,400 --> 02:38:59,240
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that anymore, but we do

2907
02:38:59,320 --> 02:39:02,040
Speaker 1: have to worry about our moms of fascists attacking school

2908
02:39:02,040 --> 02:39:06,360
Speaker 1: board meetings. Happens every week, keeps happening more often. School

2909
02:39:06,360 --> 02:39:08,960
Speaker 1: boards are calling for assistance. That they seem pretty, they

2910
02:39:09,000 --> 02:39:14,840
Speaker 1: seem pretty not thrilled. Yeah, they seem not psyched about. Yeah.

2911
02:39:14,959 --> 02:39:17,320
Speaker 1: So where where where? When we left off, I was

2912
02:39:17,360 --> 02:39:22,920
Speaker 1: talking about some things I found on the gram Telegram. Uh, Garrison,

2913
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:27,240
Speaker 1: what's next. I'll go into my preliminary research on Telegram

2914
02:39:27,240 --> 02:39:30,640
Speaker 1: and particularly response. Basically, I looked through every single Telegram

2915
02:39:30,680 --> 02:39:32,840
Speaker 1: post and all of the main fascist channels I lurk

2916
02:39:32,920 --> 02:39:37,520
Speaker 1: on that mentioned school boards from like the past two weeks. Um,

2917
02:39:37,600 --> 02:39:42,480
Speaker 1: so like, yeah, this is like current current stuff on ongoing. Um,

2918
02:39:42,520 --> 02:39:43,960
Speaker 1: I got to a lot of the channels I was

2919
02:39:43,959 --> 02:39:46,400
Speaker 1: already familiar with, like you know, the Western Shovinist channel,

2920
02:39:46,400 --> 02:39:51,160
Speaker 1: which is uh subs um, the Standard Students channel, which

2921
02:39:51,200 --> 02:39:53,600
Speaker 1: was a when I was less familiar with, specifically dedicated

2922
02:39:53,640 --> 02:39:57,080
Speaker 1: to this school board issue. UM. One of one of

2923
02:39:57,120 --> 02:40:01,080
Speaker 1: the posts we have on there is U says, your

2924
02:40:01,160 --> 02:40:04,240
Speaker 1: enemy isn't some far off ship whole country. Your enemy

2925
02:40:04,320 --> 02:40:07,080
Speaker 1: is just down the street at your local school board meeting,

2926
02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:11,240
Speaker 1: teaching your kids to hate their ancestors, you and themselves.

2927
02:40:11,680 --> 02:40:14,440
Speaker 1: So like again, that is a very much white supremacist

2928
02:40:14,440 --> 02:40:18,400
Speaker 1: dog whistle just right there, um talking about producing Hollywood

2929
02:40:18,480 --> 02:40:24,360
Speaker 1: movies writing there No, basically it's basically just a whistle. UM.

2930
02:40:24,400 --> 02:40:25,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, they then they, you know, the same post

2931
02:40:25,959 --> 02:40:28,720
Speaker 1: talks about you know, masks and shot down businesses and

2932
02:40:28,720 --> 02:40:31,240
Speaker 1: the vaccines and stuff and saying the fight is here

2933
02:40:31,240 --> 02:40:33,840
Speaker 1: and the fight is now. So just in terms of like, yeah,

2934
02:40:33,959 --> 02:40:36,560
Speaker 1: they're really wanting to hype people up for doing this

2935
02:40:36,920 --> 02:40:39,560
Speaker 1: thing at school boards. They're trying to really hammer down

2936
02:40:39,840 --> 02:40:41,840
Speaker 1: the school board points. So like I found this, I

2937
02:40:41,879 --> 02:40:44,560
Speaker 1: found this post. This is this is a post from

2938
02:40:44,600 --> 02:40:47,560
Speaker 1: the Standford Students channel UM and I saw this one

2939
02:40:47,800 --> 02:40:50,080
Speaker 1: re shared in a lot of different channels. One of

2940
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:53,160
Speaker 1: the other first ones that I saw pop off was

2941
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:56,280
Speaker 1: from Ron watkins channel like Code monkey z. He is

2942
02:40:56,680 --> 02:40:58,480
Speaker 1: one of the one of the architects or one of

2943
02:40:58,480 --> 02:41:00,800
Speaker 1: the you know people who really pushed went on stuff

2944
02:41:01,200 --> 02:41:06,720
Speaker 1: into He's the guy who ran like the physical infrastructure

2945
02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:09,640
Speaker 1: of Chan chan in eight Coon for years. Yeah. He

2946
02:41:09,720 --> 02:41:12,160
Speaker 1: and he's trying to pivot into being like having his

2947
02:41:12,320 --> 02:41:15,040
Speaker 1: just his face be like a kind of alternative right

2948
02:41:15,040 --> 02:41:18,120
Speaker 1: wing figure right now. He's gonna be running for office

2949
02:41:18,480 --> 02:41:22,440
Speaker 1: in Arizona, I believe. Anyway, he has a very popular

2950
02:41:22,480 --> 02:41:25,200
Speaker 1: Telegram channel. Um, and he made he made this post

2951
02:41:25,280 --> 02:41:27,959
Speaker 1: that had over a thousand, over a thousand comments on it,

2952
02:41:27,959 --> 02:41:30,600
Speaker 1: which is a lot for telegram. A thousand comments on

2953
02:41:30,680 --> 02:41:35,199
Speaker 1: telegram post, especially telegram post of of code mackezs size

2954
02:41:35,560 --> 02:41:38,760
Speaker 1: in't see how many substance So Ron just his context.

2955
02:41:38,920 --> 02:41:43,160
Speaker 1: Ron Watkins has four hundred and thirty two thousand subscribers

2956
02:41:43,240 --> 02:41:49,120
Speaker 1: on his on his Telegram channel. So yeah. Anyway, uh

2957
02:41:49,320 --> 02:41:54,800
Speaker 1: CRT is being rebranded as s e L a Social

2958
02:41:54,840 --> 02:41:58,160
Speaker 1: Emotional learning. If you are attending school board meetings, as

2959
02:41:58,200 --> 02:42:00,120
Speaker 1: you should be, do what you can to make you

2960
02:42:00,160 --> 02:42:03,480
Speaker 1: stop both s e L and CRT and keep them

2961
02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:06,120
Speaker 1: and make sure that they are banned in your school districts.

2962
02:42:06,520 --> 02:42:10,640
Speaker 1: So again, just direct calls to action for getting people

2963
02:42:10,680 --> 02:42:13,360
Speaker 1: to show up to these school boards. And also, social

2964
02:42:13,360 --> 02:42:16,400
Speaker 1: emotional learning is not CRT, and of course security is

2965
02:42:16,440 --> 02:42:18,440
Speaker 1: not even taught in schools. I think everyone who listens

2966
02:42:18,480 --> 02:42:21,760
Speaker 1: to this podcast knows that sr TY, actually critical theory

2967
02:42:21,959 --> 02:42:24,440
Speaker 1: isn't taught in schools. This isn't an actual thing, it's

2968
02:42:24,480 --> 02:42:26,480
Speaker 1: it is like a legal theory. We'll get into more

2969
02:42:26,480 --> 02:42:28,360
Speaker 1: of how this gout like pushed towards the end. I

2970
02:42:28,400 --> 02:42:31,760
Speaker 1: think Chris has some stuff prepared on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2971
02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:34,280
Speaker 1: it's again these none of these things are actually real.

2972
02:42:34,640 --> 02:42:37,360
Speaker 1: It's a complex legal theory. What they're really mad about

2973
02:42:37,400 --> 02:42:40,320
Speaker 1: is their people are teaching that racism is like an

2974
02:42:40,320 --> 02:42:42,840
Speaker 1: issue that's built into a lot of American institutions and

2975
02:42:42,879 --> 02:42:44,720
Speaker 1: it's an ongoing thing. It's not a thing of the past.

2976
02:42:44,760 --> 02:42:46,480
Speaker 1: That's what they're actually mad about, and they just call

2977
02:42:46,560 --> 02:42:49,760
Speaker 1: that CRT. Some some of the comments from the Ron

2978
02:42:49,760 --> 02:42:53,720
Speaker 1: Wapkins post, stuff like these snowflakes are so annoying, I'm

2979
02:42:53,720 --> 02:42:55,720
Speaker 1: about to start cutting power to any school in my

2980
02:42:55,760 --> 02:43:00,680
Speaker 1: community that teaches this. Um so yeah or again that's

2981
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:03,400
Speaker 1: just a direct, a direct threat of doing terrorism shouting,

2982
02:43:04,720 --> 02:43:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, less of a threat and more of a promise.

2983
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah do that it be no, sure it doesn't. All right,

2984
02:43:13,080 --> 02:43:15,960
Speaker 1: Well I don't understand things the same way you zoomers do.

2985
02:43:16,120 --> 02:43:18,760
Speaker 1: Please continue. Yeah, a lot of a lot of posts

2986
02:43:18,800 --> 02:43:21,600
Speaker 1: being a shipped around from channel to channel, including this

2987
02:43:21,680 --> 02:43:25,240
Speaker 1: full Nazi channels were like trying to trying to of course,

2988
02:43:25,280 --> 02:43:27,080
Speaker 1: like lots of Nazis are actually you know, I thought

2989
02:43:27,080 --> 02:43:29,600
Speaker 1: it was pretty funny that that the school board union

2990
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:32,320
Speaker 1: put in a call to assistance to the federal government

2991
02:43:32,360 --> 02:43:34,080
Speaker 1: to deal with this issue. They of course they thought

2992
02:43:34,040 --> 02:43:36,080
Speaker 1: that was funny. But they're gonna use this to like

2993
02:43:36,200 --> 02:43:38,960
Speaker 1: spread networks to be like, hey, the government wants to

2994
02:43:39,000 --> 02:43:41,720
Speaker 1: stop you. They're calling you a terrorist. You like regular

2995
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:43,800
Speaker 1: folk are being called terrorists because you're showing up with

2996
02:43:43,800 --> 02:43:45,640
Speaker 1: school boards, Right, that's the kind of message that they're

2997
02:43:45,640 --> 02:43:47,920
Speaker 1: going to shoot out. So they a lot of Nazi

2998
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:50,199
Speaker 1: channels crafted a lot of posts like that that got

2999
02:43:50,200 --> 02:43:54,720
Speaker 1: shared around a lot. Yeah, in trying to basically all

3000
02:43:54,760 --> 02:43:58,080
Speaker 1: time critical race theory and if you approached against critical

3001
02:43:58,160 --> 02:44:00,600
Speaker 1: race theory. They're calling you a domestic terrorist, that that

3002
02:44:00,680 --> 02:44:03,320
Speaker 1: type of thing. And this got this got shared in

3003
02:44:03,320 --> 02:44:05,160
Speaker 1: like the school Boards channel, and a whole bunch of

3004
02:44:05,160 --> 02:44:07,720
Speaker 1: whole bunch of other stuff being being talking about how

3005
02:44:08,080 --> 02:44:09,879
Speaker 1: if you, if you stand up, you're gonna be a

3006
02:44:09,879 --> 02:44:11,840
Speaker 1: domestic terrorist. You have to be brave and do this.

3007
02:44:12,400 --> 02:44:15,160
Speaker 1: A few days after the school board uh not a

3008
02:44:15,200 --> 02:44:16,640
Speaker 1: few days, I guess this. This was this was in

3009
02:44:16,760 --> 02:44:22,120
Speaker 1: like in October um the school Association retracted some of

3010
02:44:22,120 --> 02:44:24,040
Speaker 1: the some of the words that they used in their

3011
02:44:24,120 --> 02:44:27,240
Speaker 1: letter because of this backlash that was created. And this

3012
02:44:27,360 --> 02:44:31,600
Speaker 1: was also shared in shared in uh lots of fascist channels.

3013
02:44:31,800 --> 02:44:33,560
Speaker 1: The main one who was shared in that I saw

3014
02:44:33,840 --> 02:44:37,200
Speaker 1: was the Honk Pills channel UM, which is just another

3015
02:44:37,280 --> 02:44:41,680
Speaker 1: type of Peppe meme um, one of the other one

3016
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:44,680
Speaker 1: of the other big, big kind of groups active in

3017
02:44:44,800 --> 02:44:47,640
Speaker 1: this in this whole sphere. And this this has been

3018
02:44:47,640 --> 02:44:49,280
Speaker 1: a group going on for a while and we haven't

3019
02:44:49,360 --> 02:44:51,160
Speaker 1: talked about on the pod, but we probably should do

3020
02:44:51,200 --> 02:44:54,400
Speaker 1: something eventually. Is this group called White Rose, so this

3021
02:44:54,440 --> 02:44:57,680
Speaker 1: is a White Rose is a COVID conspiracy group that

3022
02:44:57,800 --> 02:45:02,200
Speaker 1: has been very uh successful in creating on the ground

3023
02:45:02,280 --> 02:45:04,600
Speaker 1: organizers who are regular people. They do a lot of

3024
02:45:04,600 --> 02:45:07,240
Speaker 1: like sticker bombs and lots of neighborhoods. If you have

3025
02:45:07,320 --> 02:45:10,160
Speaker 1: if you ever seen anti like COVID or COVID conspiracy

3026
02:45:10,200 --> 02:45:13,360
Speaker 1: stickers in your neighborhood, it was probably a white Road sticker. UM.

3027
02:45:13,440 --> 02:45:16,560
Speaker 1: These are all over the States and basically everything. As

3028
02:45:16,600 --> 02:45:19,720
Speaker 1: a quick heads up, the original White Rose was a

3029
02:45:19,879 --> 02:45:24,320
Speaker 1: student protest organization that existed in Nazi Germany UM and

3030
02:45:24,400 --> 02:45:29,439
Speaker 1: protested illegally, and its organizers were executed by the Nazis.

3031
02:45:29,480 --> 02:45:30,720
Speaker 1: And I think it was the mid forty I mean

3032
02:45:30,680 --> 02:45:34,440
Speaker 1: it would be like like forty three, maybe maybe forty four. Um.

3033
02:45:34,480 --> 02:45:38,240
Speaker 1: Sophie Shoal was the person most associated with them. So

3034
02:45:38,240 --> 02:45:42,800
Speaker 1: they've they're they're they've taken the names of these these heroes,

3035
02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:47,360
Speaker 1: UM in order to it's just disgusting. It's very gross.

3036
02:45:47,480 --> 02:45:50,240
Speaker 1: There's there's a decent amount of decent amount of researchers

3037
02:45:50,240 --> 02:45:53,720
Speaker 1: in this field. Thinks that there's like actual bad people

3038
02:45:53,800 --> 02:45:55,800
Speaker 1: behind White Rose. Of course, with like bad people because

3039
02:45:55,800 --> 02:45:58,600
Speaker 1: they're spending COVID stuff, but like wait, like like more

3040
02:45:58,720 --> 02:46:02,080
Speaker 1: like bad actors used by the astroturfing this thing. But

3041
02:46:02,160 --> 02:46:05,440
Speaker 1: at White roasters of its own piece later. But because

3042
02:46:05,440 --> 02:46:08,040
Speaker 1: they have such a big following on Telegram, they are

3043
02:46:08,120 --> 02:46:12,680
Speaker 1: of course using using this to using the school board

3044
02:46:12,680 --> 02:46:15,200
Speaker 1: thing to gain more support. They have about subscribers to

3045
02:46:15,200 --> 02:46:19,280
Speaker 1: their specific telegram channel. They should have post a few

3046
02:46:19,320 --> 02:46:22,039
Speaker 1: weeks ago saying thank you to all the brave parents

3047
02:46:22,040 --> 02:46:23,879
Speaker 1: going out to their school boards and standing up for

3048
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:27,320
Speaker 1: the children. UM. And they try that, you know, get

3049
02:46:27,320 --> 02:46:29,560
Speaker 1: people to do sticker bombs and stuff, but the fact

3050
02:46:29,560 --> 02:46:31,840
Speaker 1: that there's like specifically calling out people in school boards

3051
02:46:31,920 --> 02:46:35,119
Speaker 1: is like an extra step of like beyond just putting

3052
02:46:35,440 --> 02:46:39,720
Speaker 1: stickers up in your neighborhood. UM. Another another another white

3053
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:44,600
Speaker 1: right Rose post. They shared a shared a video UM

3054
02:46:44,680 --> 02:46:49,080
Speaker 1: that was captioned as concerned parent absolutely destroys school board

3055
02:46:49,120 --> 02:46:52,440
Speaker 1: with facts The school boards are the battlefield of our time.

3056
02:46:52,800 --> 02:46:56,000
Speaker 1: This is how it's done. And just the increasing rhetoric

3057
02:46:56,000 --> 02:46:58,320
Speaker 1: around like battle fields, this is where like the fight

3058
02:46:58,400 --> 02:47:02,080
Speaker 1: is at all that kind of stuff. Um. There was

3059
02:47:02,120 --> 02:47:05,600
Speaker 1: another another uh, the White White Chauvinist channel shared a

3060
02:47:05,720 --> 02:47:09,560
Speaker 1: video from Fox News. UM and they they the Western

3061
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:12,320
Speaker 1: Chauvinist channel, which is again it's one of the most

3062
02:47:12,320 --> 02:47:15,160
Speaker 1: shared ones in this whole network. They captioned as saying

3063
02:47:15,480 --> 02:47:17,560
Speaker 1: parents and Virginia are trying to fight back against the

3064
02:47:17,600 --> 02:47:21,480
Speaker 1: school board that is anti white. Um, every every school

3065
02:47:21,480 --> 02:47:24,520
Speaker 1: district in America needs to have an anti mandate pro

3066
02:47:24,720 --> 02:47:28,560
Speaker 1: right parents running for the school board. So that's just

3067
02:47:28,600 --> 02:47:31,039
Speaker 1: the It's this type of stuff all over and this

3068
02:47:31,160 --> 02:47:34,960
Speaker 1: this this post was got it has like an eleven

3069
02:47:35,000 --> 02:47:40,640
Speaker 1: eleven thousand, eleven thousand views. Um. So these things are

3070
02:47:40,640 --> 02:47:42,760
Speaker 1: spreading to a lot of a lot of these specific networks.

3071
02:47:42,760 --> 02:47:44,400
Speaker 1: And I mean, I I have so many of this

3072
02:47:44,480 --> 02:47:46,440
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I'm not going to go through every

3073
02:47:46,440 --> 02:47:48,280
Speaker 1: single one in detail. There's ones that are way more

3074
02:47:48,360 --> 02:47:50,920
Speaker 1: like openly anti Semitic, uh, you know, saying, you know

3075
02:47:50,959 --> 02:47:54,000
Speaker 1: the Jews that run you know, ex school board, um

3076
02:47:54,040 --> 02:47:58,280
Speaker 1: are trying to force vaccinations on every student over twelve. Um.

3077
02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:02,160
Speaker 1: Other another there's this fake this is this this fake

3078
02:48:02,240 --> 02:48:05,600
Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood channel on Telegram that's pretty popular. Someone who's

3079
02:48:05,640 --> 02:48:10,240
Speaker 1: pretending to be Clint Eastwood. That spread all right stuff. Um.

3080
02:48:10,280 --> 02:48:12,120
Speaker 1: He had a post that was shared a lot that

3081
02:48:12,200 --> 02:48:15,040
Speaker 1: started by saying, starts taking over school boards, start taking

3082
02:48:15,040 --> 02:48:18,400
Speaker 1: over city council, start taking over city boards, um, start

3083
02:48:18,400 --> 02:48:21,800
Speaker 1: to start being poll watchers, start being poll workers, start

3084
02:48:21,840 --> 02:48:24,800
Speaker 1: taking over sheriff's departments. It's not enough just to vote.

3085
02:48:24,920 --> 02:48:26,480
Speaker 1: So this, this is the other thing that we're going

3086
02:48:26,520 --> 02:48:29,480
Speaker 1: to see a lot more of, is rhetoric around voting.

3087
02:48:29,480 --> 02:48:32,800
Speaker 1: Isn't enough, you need to start doing more things. Um,

3088
02:48:32,840 --> 02:48:35,920
Speaker 1: there is one of it. Yeah, here, here's here's one.

3089
02:48:36,360 --> 02:48:37,960
Speaker 1: This is gonna this is a referencing some of the

3090
02:48:38,200 --> 02:48:39,920
Speaker 1: trans stuff. I'll discussing a bit. I just want to

3091
02:48:39,920 --> 02:48:42,800
Speaker 1: tie it in now. A post from the Western Chavenist

3092
02:48:42,879 --> 02:48:46,560
Speaker 1: channel saying there is no political solution, which is a

3093
02:48:46,680 --> 02:48:50,160
Speaker 1: direct Nazi, a direct Nazi lie. I mean that. That's

3094
02:48:50,240 --> 02:48:53,800
Speaker 1: what I did an article early this year on Riley Williams,

3095
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:57,240
Speaker 1: the Nazi who stole Pelosi's laptop during the Capitol riot,

3096
02:48:57,280 --> 02:48:59,320
Speaker 1: and then, like the video that we were able to

3097
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:02,039
Speaker 1: I did to fire her as a sig hiling Nazi,

3098
02:49:02,080 --> 02:49:04,160
Speaker 1: and that's how she opened her quote, there is no

3099
02:49:04,240 --> 02:49:09,199
Speaker 1: political solution. It's a very common catchphrase among like the

3100
02:49:09,200 --> 02:49:12,440
Speaker 1: the fast right. Yeah. So there's been a lot of

3101
02:49:12,440 --> 02:49:16,320
Speaker 1: stuff around harassing like specific school board members, harassing specific teachers.

3102
02:49:16,600 --> 02:49:18,760
Speaker 1: There was this teacher in uh I think in California

3103
02:49:18,800 --> 02:49:22,039
Speaker 1: that was trying to like introduced like like anti fascist

3104
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:24,520
Speaker 1: type rhetoric and talking about how fascism is a modern thing.

3105
02:49:24,560 --> 02:49:28,880
Speaker 1: They got absolutely bashed um and like docs um, and

3106
02:49:28,920 --> 02:49:30,800
Speaker 1: they got it, I think fired because there was like

3107
02:49:30,920 --> 02:49:34,000
Speaker 1: hundreds of parents organizing on on apps like telegram to

3108
02:49:34,160 --> 02:49:36,080
Speaker 1: harass this one teacher at school board's like you know,

3109
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:38,680
Speaker 1: they took over massive school board meetings and just talked

3110
02:49:38,720 --> 02:49:42,920
Speaker 1: about this one teacher endlessly um. And it was even

3111
02:49:42,920 --> 02:49:44,680
Speaker 1: It's interesting because like all the parents were like, yeah, Mike,

3112
02:49:44,760 --> 02:49:48,200
Speaker 1: my I got worried because my student actually really like

3113
02:49:48,200 --> 02:49:49,920
Speaker 1: liked the teacher and said that they were doing like

3114
02:49:50,160 --> 02:49:53,680
Speaker 1: giving really interesting points about like systemic issues. And the

3115
02:49:53,760 --> 02:49:55,400
Speaker 1: parents were like and they like brought their kids to

3116
02:49:55,440 --> 02:49:57,279
Speaker 1: the school board meeting and there's the kids are standing

3117
02:49:57,280 --> 02:49:59,160
Speaker 1: in the back as their parents are ranting about this

3118
02:49:59,240 --> 02:50:01,800
Speaker 1: and talking about how the kids actually, like I thought

3119
02:50:01,800 --> 02:50:05,720
Speaker 1: they were learning things about systemic issues. And then that

3120
02:50:05,840 --> 02:50:13,120
Speaker 1: got people mad. So you know what else gets people mad? Uh?

3121
02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:20,959
Speaker 1: This is a advertisements. Yeah, and we're bad. We're gonna

3122
02:50:21,000 --> 02:50:24,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna touch on the uh, the specifics, like all

3123
02:50:24,959 --> 02:50:26,920
Speaker 1: the stuff we've been talking about. Most of the modern

3124
02:50:27,959 --> 02:50:30,600
Speaker 1: most most of like the current organizing is a lot

3125
02:50:30,640 --> 02:50:33,280
Speaker 1: of it's around like mask mandates and vaccine mandates. Um.

3126
02:50:33,360 --> 02:50:35,120
Speaker 1: Like all of this called like you know, the the

3127
02:50:35,360 --> 02:50:38,000
Speaker 1: the stool board channel. All of this kind of stuff

3128
02:50:38,080 --> 02:50:42,320
Speaker 1: is usually around vaccine, vaccines and mask stuff. Uh, of

3129
02:50:42,320 --> 02:50:45,040
Speaker 1: course there's critic Royce theory was the way more popular

3130
02:50:45,080 --> 02:50:47,039
Speaker 1: thing a few months ago. Right now is the vaccine thing.

3131
02:50:47,320 --> 02:50:51,879
Speaker 1: The other kind of like ever present thing is being

3132
02:50:51,959 --> 02:50:55,359
Speaker 1: upset that trans kids exist and being very fearful that

3133
02:50:55,360 --> 02:50:59,040
Speaker 1: that there are trans kids around your kids. Uh. This

3134
02:50:59,120 --> 02:51:00,840
Speaker 1: is a thing that's been, you know, a thing for

3135
02:51:00,920 --> 02:51:05,560
Speaker 1: years that people have been fighting against. And since the

3136
02:51:05,600 --> 02:51:08,320
Speaker 1: school board thing is becoming more popular, people are are

3137
02:51:08,440 --> 02:51:12,760
Speaker 1: starting to uh bring Laiceally do these kind of flash

3138
02:51:12,840 --> 02:51:16,440
Speaker 1: mobs specifically around trans issues. Um. One of like the

3139
02:51:16,480 --> 02:51:19,640
Speaker 1: more like astro turf type things was people getting mad

3140
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:22,680
Speaker 1: that there were like two specific books available in certain

3141
02:51:22,760 --> 02:51:26,680
Speaker 1: high school and some middle school libraries. Um that one

3142
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:29,800
Speaker 1: of it was like a like one of it was

3143
02:51:30,000 --> 02:51:32,720
Speaker 1: the memoir that Robert mentioned. The other one was like

3144
02:51:32,959 --> 02:51:38,600
Speaker 1: a graphic novel memorial about someone realizing their gender queer.

3145
02:51:38,879 --> 02:51:40,879
Speaker 1: So these are books that are not in curriculums. These

3146
02:51:40,920 --> 02:51:44,600
Speaker 1: are just books that are available at the library. Um.

3147
02:51:44,640 --> 02:51:47,840
Speaker 1: And basically there was people who just who found these

3148
02:51:47,840 --> 02:51:50,040
Speaker 1: out and got turned it into like like a meme

3149
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:52,720
Speaker 1: on telegram essentially, like people like sharing information about this.

3150
02:51:52,920 --> 02:51:54,160
Speaker 1: Then you like look it up, see if it's in

3151
02:51:54,160 --> 02:51:56,280
Speaker 1: your library. So then we have all of these like

3152
02:51:56,440 --> 02:51:59,560
Speaker 1: coordinated attacks on school boards by these mobs of people

3153
02:51:59,640 --> 02:52:02,640
Speaker 1: all but these same two books. Um, and the goals

3154
02:52:02,640 --> 02:52:05,000
Speaker 1: to not only just get the books like banned, but

3155
02:52:05,000 --> 02:52:08,080
Speaker 1: they're also trying to like fire or arrest the teachers

3156
02:52:08,200 --> 02:52:10,920
Speaker 1: and school bar members for allowing these books to happen.

3157
02:52:10,959 --> 02:52:12,959
Speaker 1: There has been school boy members who have like stepped

3158
02:52:13,000 --> 02:52:15,879
Speaker 1: down because of just how much harassment is about these things.

3159
02:52:16,520 --> 02:52:19,520
Speaker 1: Quote from the Western Chavinist channel, Jesus Christ straight up

3160
02:52:19,520 --> 02:52:22,520
Speaker 1: pedophile books in our children's schools. Once again, the Jewish

3161
02:52:22,520 --> 02:52:24,400
Speaker 1: school board member gets mad and trying to shut them down.

3162
02:52:24,520 --> 02:52:26,320
Speaker 1: How can you not connect the dots here? There's no

3163
02:52:26,320 --> 02:52:30,280
Speaker 1: political solution. Voting will not remove these people. Um. There

3164
02:52:30,400 --> 02:52:34,600
Speaker 1: was the mayor of Houston, uh so in the mayor

3165
02:52:34,640 --> 02:52:38,200
Speaker 1: of Houston, Ohio heard about this, and he went to

3166
02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:40,480
Speaker 1: a school board meeting and instructed all of them, all

3167
02:52:40,520 --> 02:52:44,840
Speaker 1: of the board members to resign um quoting the quoting

3168
02:52:44,879 --> 02:52:47,840
Speaker 1: the Proud Boy right wing organizing channel Western Chavenista. This

3169
02:52:47,879 --> 02:52:50,480
Speaker 1: comes after some of the degenerate parasites in the system

3170
02:52:50,520 --> 02:52:52,960
Speaker 1: called educators, instructed kids to describe a sex scene that

3171
02:52:53,000 --> 02:52:55,480
Speaker 1: they wouldn't show their mom. Of course this didn't happen.

3172
02:52:55,600 --> 02:52:58,680
Speaker 1: This is this is they these these things are not

3173
02:52:58,760 --> 02:53:01,080
Speaker 1: are not These books are not used in any kind

3174
02:53:01,080 --> 02:53:04,400
Speaker 1: of curriculum anyway. So even even if they were that that,

3175
02:53:04,640 --> 02:53:06,760
Speaker 1: we were not even we're not even in that reality.

3176
02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:12,760
Speaker 1: Um So the mayor of this town basically got these instructed,

3177
02:53:12,800 --> 02:53:16,400
Speaker 1: these instructed all of these people to resign. Um earlier,

3178
02:53:16,440 --> 02:53:20,120
Speaker 1: I think in mark No. In August of this year,

3179
02:53:20,760 --> 02:53:25,240
Speaker 1: pride flags were banned at a at a school school

3180
02:53:25,240 --> 02:53:30,040
Speaker 1: district inside south west Oregon. Um, I think around I

3181
02:53:30,040 --> 02:53:33,240
Speaker 1: think around Newburg. The Newberg school district banned but banded

3182
02:53:33,240 --> 02:53:36,200
Speaker 1: pride flegs. So all this kind of stuff and and

3183
02:53:36,280 --> 02:53:38,039
Speaker 1: of course that is in a lot of states. But

3184
02:53:38,080 --> 02:53:40,160
Speaker 1: the yeah, the fact that it's in like Oregon, a

3185
02:53:40,280 --> 02:53:42,480
Speaker 1: blue state, is people got made like you know, there's

3186
02:53:42,520 --> 02:53:45,279
Speaker 1: like you know, NBC articles about it because it's it's Oregon.

3187
02:53:45,360 --> 02:53:46,880
Speaker 1: It's not it's it's it's not it's it's not a

3188
02:53:46,920 --> 02:53:49,360
Speaker 1: red state. So it's all big, it's all Portland, it's

3189
02:53:49,360 --> 02:53:52,400
Speaker 1: all Antifa, right yeah, yeah, so again the stuff is

3190
02:53:52,440 --> 02:53:56,200
Speaker 1: not not not like contained to one thing. And like yeah,

3191
02:53:56,240 --> 02:53:58,879
Speaker 1: if you google the stuff around these books, if you

3192
02:53:58,920 --> 02:54:03,080
Speaker 1: google like j under queer book, uh school boards, you'll

3193
02:54:03,120 --> 02:54:05,920
Speaker 1: find this in so many school districts. You'll see just

3194
02:54:06,080 --> 02:54:10,560
Speaker 1: mobs of people lined up yelling and screaming um and

3195
02:54:10,640 --> 02:54:15,520
Speaker 1: like like printing out giant, like giant cardboard prints of

3196
02:54:15,520 --> 02:54:19,360
Speaker 1: of this comic book showing like like with like you know,

3197
02:54:19,520 --> 02:54:21,240
Speaker 1: there's like a dick on it, Like there's like a

3198
02:54:21,360 --> 02:54:25,400
Speaker 1: drawn a drawn dick, because that's what human bodies look like.

3199
02:54:25,920 --> 02:54:28,240
Speaker 1: Like you can look at like a lot of like yeah,

3200
02:54:28,400 --> 02:54:30,320
Speaker 1: like what are you gonna banned the statue of David

3201
02:54:30,640 --> 02:54:32,960
Speaker 1: because he has his dick outs too, like like come on.

3202
02:54:33,320 --> 02:54:35,960
Speaker 1: And also, these are the same people who talk about

3203
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:39,440
Speaker 1: like oh, they're you know, banning books, burning books. You know,

3204
02:54:39,560 --> 02:54:41,160
Speaker 1: right there was that there was that tweet from like

3205
02:54:41,240 --> 02:54:43,320
Speaker 1: James Woods about like these are the books that people

3206
02:54:43,360 --> 02:54:45,600
Speaker 1: want banned. That means they're the most important ones. But

3207
02:54:45,640 --> 02:54:48,160
Speaker 1: these people love. These people love like burning books. These

3208
02:54:48,160 --> 02:54:51,120
Speaker 1: people love banning books. They love canceler culture. That the

3209
02:54:51,160 --> 02:54:53,080
Speaker 1: cultures that I was that I was in as a kid,

3210
02:54:53,080 --> 02:54:55,720
Speaker 1: they would have like massive like book and like c

3211
02:54:55,879 --> 02:54:59,400
Speaker 1: D and DVD burnings for like unlike unholy and sinful

3212
02:54:59,440 --> 02:55:01,600
Speaker 1: media that you would like bring in and like throw

3213
02:55:01,680 --> 02:55:04,800
Speaker 1: like your sinful music onto this giant fire. Like these

3214
02:55:04,840 --> 02:55:08,080
Speaker 1: people love love burning books, they love they love banning stuff,

3215
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:13,640
Speaker 1: they love cancel culture. Um, but they just like that. Yeah,

3216
02:55:13,760 --> 02:55:16,320
Speaker 1: So that was that was most of my stuff around

3217
02:55:16,400 --> 02:55:19,160
Speaker 1: the kind of the ongoing queer and trans stuff. Of course,

3218
02:55:19,240 --> 02:55:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, this ties into the bathroom stuff as well,

3219
02:55:21,560 --> 02:55:23,920
Speaker 1: with the people showing up to school board meetings to

3220
02:55:23,920 --> 02:55:27,359
Speaker 1: scream about you know, kids going ship in the bathroom

3221
02:55:27,400 --> 02:55:30,920
Speaker 1: that they want to and feel comfortable in. Um. You know.

3222
02:55:31,040 --> 02:55:32,920
Speaker 1: And again like it doesn't it's not gonna stop with

3223
02:55:32,959 --> 02:55:35,080
Speaker 1: trans people either. Right as soon as they ban trans people,

3224
02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:37,080
Speaker 1: the next thing is going to be oh, gay students. Right,

3225
02:55:37,280 --> 02:55:40,760
Speaker 1: it says it never it's never stops, it always keeps going. Um.

3226
02:55:40,760 --> 02:55:43,720
Speaker 1: And it's just an ever present problem that it's gonna

3227
02:55:43,959 --> 02:55:47,280
Speaker 1: require a lot more, a lot more dealing with. And

3228
02:55:47,480 --> 02:55:50,600
Speaker 1: again with all of these flash mobs, like no one,

3229
02:55:50,800 --> 02:55:53,520
Speaker 1: no one's gonna stop them because they're like the people

3230
02:55:53,560 --> 02:55:55,560
Speaker 1: in power. They're the people that have all of the privilege.

3231
02:55:55,800 --> 02:55:58,680
Speaker 1: There's no really effective counter organizing for these school board

3232
02:55:58,680 --> 02:56:01,560
Speaker 1: meetings right now. Um, the cops aren't gonna do ship.

3233
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:04,720
Speaker 1: Security guards aren't gonna do ship. Uh and regular libs

3234
02:56:04,959 --> 02:56:07,480
Speaker 1: and regular regular people aren't gonna do it either. And

3235
02:56:07,760 --> 02:56:10,880
Speaker 1: it's hard to figure out how to actually combat this

3236
02:56:10,920 --> 02:56:12,480
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of times that the people in

3237
02:56:12,520 --> 02:56:14,800
Speaker 1: school boards were like, no, we don't want this to

3238
02:56:14,840 --> 02:56:17,960
Speaker 1: turn into a giant like fistfights, Like, don't don't come

3239
02:56:17,959 --> 02:56:20,160
Speaker 1: in mass to start fistfighting them. But there needs to

3240
02:56:20,160 --> 02:56:23,480
Speaker 1: be something to combat, whether that be you know, running

3241
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:26,199
Speaker 1: running for school boards, just showing up outside school boards,

3242
02:56:26,360 --> 02:56:30,360
Speaker 1: having just more people there in, having more presence there, uh,

3243
02:56:30,560 --> 02:56:33,400
Speaker 1: so that it's not as overwhelmed by like a mob

3244
02:56:33,480 --> 02:56:36,119
Speaker 1: of two hundred anti mask people showing up. Right, there

3245
02:56:36,120 --> 02:56:40,520
Speaker 1: needs to be some type of thing happening because no

3246
02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:43,320
Speaker 1: one else needs to be countered and yeah, you know what,

3247
02:56:43,560 --> 02:56:45,400
Speaker 1: they might need to get the ship kicked out of them.

3248
02:56:45,480 --> 02:56:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like I don't, like I don't think

3249
02:56:47,400 --> 02:56:50,440
Speaker 1: that would actually help in this instance, probably, but like

3250
02:56:50,959 --> 02:56:54,080
Speaker 1: there needs to be fucking something like they they are.

3251
02:56:54,360 --> 02:56:59,800
Speaker 1: The level of boldness that they have is evidence that

3252
02:56:59,800 --> 02:57:03,400
Speaker 1: they they feel, they are confident that there is no

3253
02:57:03,520 --> 02:57:06,640
Speaker 1: counter to what they're is going to be done. And

3254
02:57:06,720 --> 02:57:10,280
Speaker 1: perhaps if they were being met by a wall of

3255
02:57:10,400 --> 02:57:13,040
Speaker 1: people in the community who were willing, if they tried

3256
02:57:13,080 --> 02:57:15,360
Speaker 1: to force their way into fucking throw down, you know,

3257
02:57:15,480 --> 02:57:18,000
Speaker 1: to say, you're not entering this building without a goddamn mask,

3258
02:57:18,040 --> 02:57:21,280
Speaker 1: You're not shutting down this meeting. Um. I don't know,

3259
02:57:21,320 --> 02:57:23,200
Speaker 1: maybe that would do something. I don't actually know what

3260
02:57:23,240 --> 02:57:27,199
Speaker 1: would do something. If it was people just as regular people,

3261
02:57:27,240 --> 02:57:29,080
Speaker 1: I think that would be. Yeah, it's certainly not going

3262
02:57:29,160 --> 02:57:31,760
Speaker 1: to help of its antifa. Um, for the love of God,

3263
02:57:32,040 --> 02:57:34,440
Speaker 1: don't show up in fucking black block at a school

3264
02:57:34,440 --> 02:57:37,600
Speaker 1: board meeting. Um, Like what would work is a bunch

3265
02:57:37,600 --> 02:57:40,600
Speaker 1: of other middle aged parents showing up and being willing

3266
02:57:40,640 --> 02:57:44,640
Speaker 1: to confront these people if and like, everything that is

3267
02:57:44,640 --> 02:57:46,720
Speaker 1: worth mentioning is that a lot of the people at

3268
02:57:46,760 --> 02:57:50,720
Speaker 1: these protests like are not parents at all. Like they're

3269
02:57:50,720 --> 02:57:52,360
Speaker 1: not they're not there, not even from the same school district.

3270
02:57:52,400 --> 02:57:55,080
Speaker 1: They're just sort of like this This is just how

3271
02:57:55,400 --> 02:57:58,080
Speaker 1: this is just how this sort of right wing outrage

3272
02:57:58,120 --> 02:58:01,879
Speaker 1: machine has worked and this is where they're drawing people. Yeah,

3273
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:03,760
Speaker 1: I mean and again like it's it's a lot of

3274
02:58:03,800 --> 02:58:06,840
Speaker 1: the people and there there's gonna be big dudes who

3275
02:58:06,840 --> 02:58:08,560
Speaker 1: want to fight, but a lot of the people like

3276
02:58:08,680 --> 02:58:11,880
Speaker 1: screaming are are like you know, middle aged women. The

3277
02:58:11,879 --> 02:58:13,680
Speaker 1: people who are like really like leading the charge on

3278
02:58:13,720 --> 02:58:17,240
Speaker 1: this because they're able to use their privilege because like

3279
02:58:17,240 --> 02:58:18,920
Speaker 1: no one's gonna stop them, right, So that that's like

3280
02:58:19,120 --> 02:58:22,039
Speaker 1: when they're leading the charge of two people who are

3281
02:58:22,120 --> 02:58:25,560
Speaker 1: gonna like scream and harass and chase out black security guards,

3282
02:58:25,640 --> 02:58:28,760
Speaker 1: chase out, chase out the all this all the school

3283
02:58:28,760 --> 02:58:32,400
Speaker 1: remembers no one's they're they're very effective at using their

3284
02:58:32,440 --> 02:58:36,000
Speaker 1: privilege to gain political ground by just like doing stuff

3285
02:58:36,040 --> 02:58:37,280
Speaker 1: on the ground. It's like, you know, it's like this

3286
02:58:37,360 --> 02:58:39,119
Speaker 1: is like the January six thing. It's like the January

3287
02:58:39,160 --> 02:58:41,080
Speaker 1: six thing. This is the new future of political action

3288
02:58:41,320 --> 02:58:44,080
Speaker 1: is just showing up in mass two places where no

3289
02:58:44,080 --> 02:58:47,240
Speaker 1: one's gonna stop you because you're like you're the you know,

3290
02:58:47,400 --> 02:58:53,480
Speaker 1: the good, relatable you know every day Yeah you're anyway,

3291
02:58:53,879 --> 02:58:57,160
Speaker 1: That's that's the stuff I had. Will probably have an

3292
02:58:57,160 --> 02:58:59,360
Speaker 1: ad break and then talk about maybe some of how

3293
02:58:59,440 --> 02:59:05,040
Speaker 1: the stuff start speaking of using your privilege, you know,

3294
02:59:05,440 --> 02:59:09,720
Speaker 1: what is the greatest privilege being able to purchase the

3295
02:59:09,800 --> 02:59:13,520
Speaker 1: products that Yeah, that's exactly right. There's no privilege higher

3296
02:59:13,600 --> 02:59:20,360
Speaker 1: than being able to engage with these consumables. And we're back,

3297
02:59:21,440 --> 02:59:24,680
Speaker 1: all right, Chris, you want to close this out. Yeah,

3298
02:59:24,680 --> 02:59:26,760
Speaker 1: So the last thing I want to talk about that

3299
02:59:26,920 --> 02:59:29,160
Speaker 1: is interesting about this whole thing is, you know, we

3300
02:59:29,160 --> 02:59:32,680
Speaker 1: we've we've been mostly been focusing on the very furthest

3301
02:59:32,760 --> 02:59:35,600
Speaker 1: right elements of this, but a lot of the school

3302
02:59:35,600 --> 02:59:40,040
Speaker 1: board stuff is tied to i mean just straight a

3303
02:59:40,120 --> 02:59:44,039
Speaker 1: Republican party operatives and people who work in this sort

3304
02:59:44,040 --> 02:59:45,800
Speaker 1: of you know, I mean there's there's literally a bunch

3305
02:59:45,800 --> 02:59:47,520
Speaker 1: of people who work for the the Publican parties we'll get into.

3306
02:59:47,520 --> 02:59:49,959
Speaker 1: And then there's also this sort of network of of

3307
02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:53,680
Speaker 1: Republican think tanks, Republicans sort of yea dark money dumps.

3308
02:59:53,720 --> 02:59:55,760
Speaker 1: That's a lot of a lot of AstroTurf groups and

3309
02:59:55,760 --> 02:59:58,400
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Yeah, And and so I want

3310
02:59:58,440 --> 02:59:59,920
Speaker 1: to talk about a few of these people because I

3311
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,920
Speaker 1: think they're interesting. Um, I think we can start with

3312
03:00:05,080 --> 03:00:09,480
Speaker 1: Nicole Nelly, who's an interesting person. She's so she she

3313
03:00:09,560 --> 03:00:12,720
Speaker 1: most recently founded Parents Defending Education who are They're They're

3314
03:00:12,760 --> 03:00:15,360
Speaker 1: one of the big groups to sort of like spreads

3315
03:00:15,959 --> 03:00:18,320
Speaker 1: this this sort of attack on school board stuff over

3316
03:00:18,360 --> 03:00:20,959
Speaker 1: the country. They have chapters, they organize people, and they

3317
03:00:20,959 --> 03:00:22,640
Speaker 1: also you know, they do this thing where they collect

3318
03:00:22,959 --> 03:00:26,120
Speaker 1: incident reports from from school districts that they you know,

3319
03:00:26,280 --> 03:00:28,199
Speaker 1: just distribute to all these people and they put them online.

3320
03:00:28,240 --> 03:00:32,320
Speaker 1: They have all of these they they they have a

3321
03:00:32,320 --> 03:00:34,000
Speaker 1: lot of stuff they do. They do a lot of

3322
03:00:34,040 --> 03:00:36,920
Speaker 1: anti mask mandate stuff. So they have these like template letters,

3323
03:00:37,000 --> 03:00:39,640
Speaker 1: like template like fakely performing letter things that you can

3324
03:00:39,680 --> 03:00:41,080
Speaker 1: send to schools that if you don't want to wear

3325
03:00:41,080 --> 03:00:44,560
Speaker 1: a masks. That's the staple of this type of organizing. Now. Yeah,

3326
03:00:44,640 --> 03:00:46,960
Speaker 1: and and the interesting thing about Nicolenelly is that so

3327
03:00:47,080 --> 03:00:50,160
Speaker 1: this is not like her first organ like three years

3328
03:00:50,720 --> 03:00:56,720
Speaker 1: eighteen back in the Halcyon days of of you know,

3329
03:00:57,280 --> 03:00:59,840
Speaker 1: I I'm not quite going to say it was before

3330
03:01:00,080 --> 03:01:01,840
Speaker 1: mask fully came off, but it was well the mask

3331
03:01:01,959 --> 03:01:04,400
Speaker 1: was like a little bit more on. She she previously

3332
03:01:04,600 --> 03:01:07,920
Speaker 1: founded a speech first. Yeah you might remember, yeah, as

3333
03:01:08,040 --> 03:01:12,119
Speaker 1: republic speech was the big talking point, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

3334
03:01:12,160 --> 03:01:13,760
Speaker 1: And so she ran that for a while. Now she's

3335
03:01:13,959 --> 03:01:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, organizing with the Holy people who just wants

3336
03:01:16,959 --> 03:01:19,360
Speaker 1: to Yeah, they just move on, They move on to

3337
03:01:19,440 --> 03:01:21,760
Speaker 1: the new things. It was. It was free speech, it

3338
03:01:21,840 --> 03:01:25,160
Speaker 1: was christ theory. Right now it's anti mask stuff. Next

3339
03:01:25,240 --> 03:01:27,400
Speaker 1: up it is gonna be trans stuff going real hard.

3340
03:01:28,320 --> 03:01:32,440
Speaker 1: Just today we had the fucking person who BBC platforms,

3341
03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:36,760
Speaker 1: the fucking lincum. Yeah, Lily K, the rapist Lily k

3342
03:01:38,240 --> 03:01:41,600
Speaker 1: manifesto where she details which specific trans women she wants

3343
03:01:41,640 --> 03:01:46,560
Speaker 1: to personally kill. Yeah, I used to know Lily Um.

3344
03:01:46,560 --> 03:01:51,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, uh real dark turned Um, I

3345
03:01:51,160 --> 03:01:53,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess it's not super surprising. She was

3346
03:01:54,120 --> 03:01:57,400
Speaker 1: definitely interviewed her for a documentary and it was she

3347
03:01:57,480 --> 03:01:59,920
Speaker 1: was a bit off putting. Uh, didn't realize this was

3348
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:01,959
Speaker 1: going on. I mean yeah, there's just a lot of

3349
03:02:02,080 --> 03:02:04,240
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of reports of people in like

3350
03:02:04,360 --> 03:02:08,080
Speaker 1: the sex book industry of talking about her, like raping

3351
03:02:08,080 --> 03:02:11,280
Speaker 1: people in bathrooms, which again it's like, yeah, the people

3352
03:02:11,400 --> 03:02:13,480
Speaker 1: it's always can screaming about oh no trans woman or

3353
03:02:13,520 --> 03:02:15,480
Speaker 1: in bathrooms. Yet the people the person screaming about this

3354
03:02:15,560 --> 03:02:19,000
Speaker 1: is an actual rapist, Like like when when we say

3355
03:02:19,080 --> 03:02:22,360
Speaker 1: rapists here, like she she she raped so many people

3356
03:02:22,560 --> 03:02:25,879
Speaker 1: that like on Twitter, like I was scrolling through my feet,

3357
03:02:25,920 --> 03:02:27,760
Speaker 1: and I saw multiple people who were like, oh I

3358
03:02:27,800 --> 03:02:30,640
Speaker 1: know this person she assaulted me. Yeah, it's really bad.

3359
03:02:30,720 --> 03:02:32,840
Speaker 1: The people who the turfs are like pushing Yeah, this

3360
03:02:32,879 --> 03:02:36,440
Speaker 1: is the BBC was platform. So like, yeah, like trans

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Speaker 1: stuff is as soon as as soon as the anti

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Speaker 1: mask anti back stuff like dies down in the next

3363
03:02:42,440 --> 03:02:45,600
Speaker 1: five months or whatever. Uh I I foresee a massive

3364
03:02:45,640 --> 03:02:49,959
Speaker 1: pivot towards specifically anti anti trans antiqueer antique stuff, because

3365
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be the new thing. Yep, and and and

3366
03:02:53,280 --> 03:02:55,080
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's worth bearing in mind that

3367
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Speaker 1: this stuff. Yeah, and you know, with with the cold

3368
03:02:57,120 --> 03:03:00,080
Speaker 1: NAILI specifically, so she she worked she like worked at

3369
03:03:00,080 --> 03:03:03,440
Speaker 1: the Cato Institute, which is like Murray Rothbart and Charles Cokes.

3370
03:03:03,520 --> 03:03:06,720
Speaker 1: Now it's it's yeah, it's it's it's basic. It's basically

3371
03:03:07,080 --> 03:03:09,240
Speaker 1: this is a slight oversupplication, but it's basically one of

3372
03:03:09,240 --> 03:03:12,720
Speaker 1: the Cokes sort of like money laundering like money operation things.

3373
03:03:12,879 --> 03:03:16,959
Speaker 1: She also worked at Freedom Works, who yeah, yeah this

3374
03:03:17,040 --> 03:03:18,800
Speaker 1: is great. So um this is this is one of

3375
03:03:18,840 --> 03:03:21,320
Speaker 1: the fun parts of this, which is that so Freedom

3376
03:03:21,320 --> 03:03:23,720
Speaker 1: Works is another one of the Coke's sort of dark

3377
03:03:23,760 --> 03:03:27,880
Speaker 1: money laundering machine things and freedom Works are basically the

3378
03:03:27,879 --> 03:03:29,960
Speaker 1: people who created the Tea Party. Like there are the

3379
03:03:29,959 --> 03:03:32,279
Speaker 1: people who turned the Tea Party from like a bunch

3380
03:03:32,280 --> 03:03:36,960
Speaker 1: of weird guys, like like six weirdos into like, you know,

3381
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Speaker 1: the basically the the the the entirety of the pre

3382
03:03:40,920 --> 03:03:43,959
Speaker 1: Trumps conservative political machine who like built a publican party

3383
03:03:43,959 --> 03:03:46,480
Speaker 1: after it was like completely discredited um in the the

3384
03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:49,879
Speaker 1: two thousand's. And this is true of a lot of

3385
03:03:49,920 --> 03:03:52,320
Speaker 1: the people who are in charge of these big organs

3386
03:03:53,160 --> 03:03:56,040
Speaker 1: have connections like this, um the person you found in

3387
03:03:56,120 --> 03:04:00,680
Speaker 1: No Left Turn, which is No Left Turn you knowe

3388
03:04:00,680 --> 03:04:02,400
Speaker 1: for an education. They're they're they're They're not one of

3389
03:04:02,400 --> 03:04:04,160
Speaker 1: these big sort of anti school board things. I mean

3390
03:04:04,200 --> 03:04:06,080
Speaker 1: they they're the people. They're one of people who like

3391
03:04:06,120 --> 03:04:07,800
Speaker 1: they have a list of books on their website that

3392
03:04:07,800 --> 03:04:12,080
Speaker 1: they want banned. Wow, yeah, it's great. And their founder

3393
03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:16,119
Speaker 1: rights for the heritage foundations like magazine. So they're there.

3394
03:04:16,160 --> 03:04:19,000
Speaker 1: There's there's all of this stuff. And I think maybe

3395
03:04:19,040 --> 03:04:21,080
Speaker 1: the most implematic one is this guy is Mark Ruffo

3396
03:04:21,200 --> 03:04:25,440
Speaker 1: who Rufo. Yeah, so so he's he's the guy who

3397
03:04:25,520 --> 03:04:28,040
Speaker 1: just created the whole critical race theory thing out of nothing.

3398
03:04:28,560 --> 03:04:32,520
Speaker 1: He like threw together a bunch of like in just

3399
03:04:32,560 --> 03:04:36,360
Speaker 1: like these incredibly tenuous connections, Like there's a bunch of

3400
03:04:36,360 --> 03:04:41,680
Speaker 1: sort of old cultural Marxism conspiracy stuff in there. Yeah,

3401
03:04:41,720 --> 03:04:45,039
Speaker 1: it's a lot of like Frankfurt's school type ship. Yeah. Yeah.

3402
03:04:45,120 --> 03:04:47,280
Speaker 1: And and but but what I think is interesting about him,

3403
03:04:47,320 --> 03:04:51,560
Speaker 1: it's less his ideas, which are just pseudo intellectual. Yeah,

3404
03:04:51,560 --> 03:04:54,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't he's not actually super smart in what he

3405
03:04:54,120 --> 03:04:56,039
Speaker 1: says that there's a lot of videos of him talking

3406
03:04:56,040 --> 03:04:59,320
Speaker 1: to actual philosopher is getting schooled about what race theory is.

3407
03:04:59,640 --> 03:05:01,760
Speaker 1: Like he's he's actually not that intelligent in this, in

3408
03:05:01,800 --> 03:05:04,080
Speaker 1: this side of things. But but you know that the

3409
03:05:04,080 --> 03:05:06,640
Speaker 1: thing is that there's nothing more dangerous than an idiot

3410
03:05:06,640 --> 03:05:09,000
Speaker 1: with a trick up his sleeve exactly. And you know,

3411
03:05:09,040 --> 03:05:12,160
Speaker 1: and then the trick basically is Fox News. And you know,

3412
03:05:12,160 --> 03:05:14,360
Speaker 1: the reason the reason this whole thing exists is that

3413
03:05:14,440 --> 03:05:18,560
Speaker 1: this was you know, Mark Ruffo, He's very very explicit

3414
03:05:18,600 --> 03:05:20,520
Speaker 1: about this, that this this this was his solution to

3415
03:05:20,560 --> 03:05:24,080
Speaker 1: the George Floyd uprising was that, oh, we we need

3416
03:05:24,080 --> 03:05:25,520
Speaker 1: we need to we need to find this thing to

3417
03:05:25,520 --> 03:05:27,680
Speaker 1: stop the medicinum of this uprising. And this is this

3418
03:05:27,720 --> 03:05:30,120
Speaker 1: is who Tucker Carlson brings On and starts bring onwy

3419
03:05:30,160 --> 03:05:32,560
Speaker 1: and this blows up, and he immediately gets hired by

3420
03:05:32,800 --> 03:05:35,240
Speaker 1: the Manhattan Institute, which is a very not that old

3421
03:05:35,240 --> 03:05:37,600
Speaker 1: but they're from the eighties, but a very an old,

3422
03:05:37,640 --> 03:05:41,000
Speaker 1: extremely powerful conservative thing tank that I don't think. I

3423
03:05:41,000 --> 03:05:43,840
Speaker 1: think it's less known than things like the Heritage Foundation

3424
03:05:44,240 --> 03:05:46,880
Speaker 1: or the kid who wants to Yeah, I would say so, yeah,

3425
03:05:46,920 --> 03:05:49,880
Speaker 1: but he gets They hired him like immediately because you know,

3426
03:05:49,959 --> 03:05:53,080
Speaker 1: the sort of mainline at the Republican Party very quickly

3427
03:05:53,280 --> 03:05:55,240
Speaker 1: is like this is the thing that we can use

3428
03:05:55,240 --> 03:05:58,000
Speaker 1: as like a hammer, right, And so the Manhattan Institute

3429
03:05:58,040 --> 03:06:01,680
Speaker 1: publishes this group of work for them. Now I can't

3430
03:06:02,560 --> 03:06:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm not actually sure if you I don't know if

3431
03:06:04,520 --> 03:06:07,160
Speaker 1: he specifically wrote this or he was just involved in it.

3432
03:06:07,560 --> 03:06:09,640
Speaker 1: I think it's it's the Bye line is just the

3433
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Speaker 1: Manhattan Institute. But had they have this incredibly detailed tool

3434
03:06:13,240 --> 03:06:16,520
Speaker 1: kit explaining how you know, both both explaining what the

3435
03:06:16,560 --> 03:06:20,720
Speaker 1: sort of right wing like line on critical race theory is,

3436
03:06:20,760 --> 03:06:22,240
Speaker 1: and they have like a bunch of explainers, have like

3437
03:06:22,360 --> 03:06:25,400
Speaker 1: list of terms I have you ever seen yeah, yeah,

3438
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:27,440
Speaker 1: it's actually yeah, if you've ever seen like list of

3439
03:06:27,520 --> 03:06:29,440
Speaker 1: terms of people want band like it's all just pulled

3440
03:06:29,480 --> 03:06:32,840
Speaker 1: from this document, right, so that add stuff. Um. But

3441
03:06:32,840 --> 03:06:34,400
Speaker 1: but the interesting part of about this is the other

3442
03:06:34,440 --> 03:06:36,440
Speaker 1: thing is this this is an organizing manual, right, It's

3443
03:06:36,520 --> 03:06:38,400
Speaker 1: it's a specific thing that tells you how to go

3444
03:06:38,520 --> 03:06:40,880
Speaker 1: and how to find other people, like other other people.

3445
03:06:41,200 --> 03:06:43,000
Speaker 1: You know, if if you're like an incensed right wing

3446
03:06:43,200 --> 03:06:45,520
Speaker 1: like freaking one of these school districts, it's like, okay,

3447
03:06:45,520 --> 03:06:48,240
Speaker 1: well here's here's how you like talk to other people

3448
03:06:48,280 --> 03:06:50,879
Speaker 1: in your districts. Here's here's a list of options of

3449
03:06:51,000 --> 03:06:54,120
Speaker 1: like things you can do going public. And then there's

3450
03:06:54,120 --> 03:06:56,320
Speaker 1: a very interesting thing part of this that that I

3451
03:06:56,360 --> 03:07:00,760
Speaker 1: think is really disturbing and outlines like really what's going

3452
03:07:00,800 --> 03:07:03,640
Speaker 1: on here, which is there's this whole like freak out

3453
03:07:03,680 --> 03:07:06,480
Speaker 1: thing about this thing called minority rule, where like, oh,

3454
03:07:06,520 --> 03:07:08,879
Speaker 1: the left has this like they have this like militant

3455
03:07:08,879 --> 03:07:11,720
Speaker 1: minority that that will compel the majority to follow them

3456
03:07:11,840 --> 03:07:15,200
Speaker 1: by because they keep on showing up, they keep on

3457
03:07:15,240 --> 03:07:19,080
Speaker 1: doing things. And if if this minority like it keeps

3458
03:07:19,200 --> 03:07:22,680
Speaker 1: keep keeps you know, being more in transient than everyone else,

3459
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:26,560
Speaker 1: then they will inevitably win. And this the three quarters

3460
03:07:26,560 --> 03:07:28,560
Speaker 1: of this section is this like weird fear mongering thing

3461
03:07:28,600 --> 03:07:31,080
Speaker 1: about it. But then the last part of it is

3462
03:07:31,120 --> 03:07:32,560
Speaker 1: a bunch is the thing that's saying, oh, we need

3463
03:07:32,600 --> 03:07:34,400
Speaker 1: to do this ourselves, right, this is how we win.

3464
03:07:34,480 --> 03:07:37,000
Speaker 1: We win by being more in transient, win more often

3465
03:07:37,120 --> 03:07:39,080
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, and you know, and this is this

3466
03:07:39,120 --> 03:07:41,000
Speaker 1: is the other thing is this is from like last year.

3467
03:07:41,800 --> 03:07:46,280
Speaker 1: I think this is like this summer. So yeah, okay,

3468
03:07:46,320 --> 03:07:48,240
Speaker 1: that's sorry. This is this is this is really this ship.

3469
03:07:48,240 --> 03:07:51,440
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because it's like this is the sort

3470
03:07:51,480 --> 03:07:53,840
Speaker 1: of you know, this, this is this is the Republican

3471
03:07:53,920 --> 03:07:58,480
Speaker 1: Party essentially, I mean the institute, very very mainstre Republican Party. This. Yeah,

3472
03:07:58,480 --> 03:08:01,080
Speaker 1: this is how the effective in person organizing. We we

3473
03:08:01,080 --> 03:08:04,600
Speaker 1: talked about this a bit in our episodes um about

3474
03:08:04,760 --> 03:08:07,000
Speaker 1: the like in the aftermath of the abortion ruling in

3475
03:08:07,040 --> 03:08:09,440
Speaker 1: Texas and how and how like the religious right ring

3476
03:08:09,520 --> 03:08:12,480
Speaker 1: organizing has worked in local districts. Yeah, this this is

3477
03:08:12,520 --> 03:08:13,920
Speaker 1: how they are able to get things done, which is

3478
03:08:13,959 --> 03:08:15,879
Speaker 1: why there's been so many school by members who either

3479
03:08:15,920 --> 03:08:18,360
Speaker 1: get fired, who have had to step down, who have

3480
03:08:18,400 --> 03:08:21,320
Speaker 1: been harassed off the job and are now there's people,

3481
03:08:21,360 --> 03:08:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of a lot of like people

3482
03:08:23,440 --> 03:08:26,840
Speaker 1: I would describe as people holding very extreme views are

3483
03:08:26,879 --> 03:08:30,280
Speaker 1: now running and taking these spots. Um because if you

3484
03:08:30,320 --> 03:08:32,360
Speaker 1: can do if you can do this type of like again,

3485
03:08:32,400 --> 03:08:34,959
Speaker 1: it's not grassroots, but it's it's it is it is

3486
03:08:35,000 --> 03:08:37,360
Speaker 1: like astroturp, so like it appears grassroots. But if can

3487
03:08:37,400 --> 03:08:40,080
Speaker 1: do this type of like faux grassroots organizing, you can

3488
03:08:40,120 --> 03:08:42,320
Speaker 1: gain a lot of power over specific areas and make

3489
03:08:42,360 --> 03:08:45,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people's lives a lot more miserable. And

3490
03:08:45,080 --> 03:08:46,960
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what the goal is, right, The goal

3491
03:08:47,040 --> 03:08:49,520
Speaker 1: is to make the trans kids lives miserable. The goals

3492
03:08:49,520 --> 03:08:52,199
Speaker 1: to get people to not wear masks and dive COVID

3493
03:08:52,720 --> 03:08:55,920
Speaker 1: like that those are the results of these actions. Well,

3494
03:08:55,959 --> 03:08:59,400
Speaker 1: I think I think there's an interesting interplace here, so

3495
03:08:59,640 --> 03:09:02,440
Speaker 1: because I think because so freedom works, like like even

3496
03:09:02,520 --> 03:09:04,720
Speaker 1: even a lot of the specific protests that are happening,

3497
03:09:05,080 --> 03:09:07,359
Speaker 1: and this is especially true of of the very earlier,

3498
03:09:07,520 --> 03:09:10,000
Speaker 1: earliest ones. I think, like when when like the very

3499
03:09:10,120 --> 03:09:12,560
Speaker 1: first school board protests that were happening, Yeah, like like

3500
03:09:12,600 --> 03:09:15,440
Speaker 1: a lot of these similar to follow was when they

3501
03:09:15,480 --> 03:09:17,920
Speaker 1: started to start up. Yeah, and and those a lot

3502
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:20,720
Speaker 1: of those were directly organized by by people who work

3503
03:09:20,760 --> 03:09:24,040
Speaker 1: for Freedom Works. And and this is this is what

3504
03:09:24,160 --> 03:09:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the RT ones Yeah yeah, yeah, they

3505
03:09:26,120 --> 03:09:28,720
Speaker 1: see the R T one are ever very specifically freedom Works.

3506
03:09:28,760 --> 03:09:30,200
Speaker 1: And this is what I think is interesting about this

3507
03:09:30,280 --> 03:09:32,640
Speaker 1: is that you know, okay, freedom Works. It's like, okay,

3508
03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:34,280
Speaker 1: so what does freedom Works out of this? Freedom Works

3509
03:09:34,280 --> 03:09:36,720
Speaker 1: wants the T party again, right, because you know that

3510
03:09:36,879 --> 03:09:38,640
Speaker 1: this is this is what freedom Works does. Right there.

3511
03:09:38,680 --> 03:09:40,720
Speaker 1: They're they're they're basically the group that comes in when

3512
03:09:40,800 --> 03:09:43,039
Speaker 1: when the Republicans start losing election cycles. They're like, okay,

3513
03:09:43,040 --> 03:09:44,920
Speaker 1: well now we need to get the balance of power back.

3514
03:09:44,959 --> 03:09:46,560
Speaker 1: We need to bring drawn the Democrats out. So they're

3515
03:09:46,560 --> 03:09:49,879
Speaker 1: they're they're largely trying to build a sort of electoral base.

3516
03:09:50,440 --> 03:09:52,160
Speaker 1: And and again like this, this this will look familiar

3517
03:09:52,160 --> 03:09:54,320
Speaker 1: to people who remember two thousand and ten because it's

3518
03:09:54,360 --> 03:09:58,320
Speaker 1: the same thing except and this is the thing that

3519
03:09:58,440 --> 03:10:00,000
Speaker 1: I I I this is the part where I genuine

3520
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:03,920
Speaker 1: and they can't tell whether the Freedom Works people, whether

3521
03:10:04,000 --> 03:10:06,000
Speaker 1: the Cokes, whether that whether this sort of dark whening

3522
03:10:06,040 --> 03:10:09,080
Speaker 1: network either I don't I can't tell whether they understand

3523
03:10:09,080 --> 03:10:13,120
Speaker 1: what they're doing and like it or they're just incredibly naive.

3524
03:10:14,080 --> 03:10:16,480
Speaker 1: But you know, this is not two thousand ten, right,

3525
03:10:16,760 --> 03:10:21,280
Speaker 1: you can't when when you start mobilizing people, like mobilizing

3526
03:10:21,320 --> 03:10:23,119
Speaker 1: people on the right wing to go to a place,

3527
03:10:23,520 --> 03:10:25,920
Speaker 1: they don't just like sit there and hold signs anymore.

3528
03:10:26,360 --> 03:10:29,480
Speaker 1: You cannot you cannot contain them at this point. You

3529
03:10:29,520 --> 03:10:32,680
Speaker 1: cannot control the spread like you have once you've you've

3530
03:10:32,720 --> 03:10:35,040
Speaker 1: opened this can, and there's no way of putting them

3531
03:10:35,040 --> 03:10:37,320
Speaker 1: back in because as soon as they start organizing on

3532
03:10:37,320 --> 03:10:41,760
Speaker 1: opposite telegram, they're one step away from skull masks. And

3533
03:10:41,800 --> 03:10:44,480
Speaker 1: then they're being okay with cheering around people that are

3534
03:10:44,520 --> 03:10:46,240
Speaker 1: going to go beat up that are going to go

3535
03:10:46,320 --> 03:10:48,360
Speaker 1: beat up people in these meetings. Yeah, and this is

3536
03:10:48,400 --> 03:10:50,840
Speaker 1: this is this is really the thing that I think

3537
03:10:50,840 --> 03:10:52,360
Speaker 1: it's not just January six that we live in the

3538
03:10:52,400 --> 03:10:55,080
Speaker 1: shadow January six, but it's also about you know, if

3539
03:10:55,120 --> 03:10:58,959
Speaker 1: you look at how how the anti lockdown protest went in, right,

3540
03:10:58,959 --> 03:11:01,959
Speaker 1: you a bunch people showing up with the capitals and

3541
03:11:02,200 --> 03:11:05,040
Speaker 1: that stuff was extremely effective. And that in the conformation

3542
03:11:05,120 --> 03:11:08,400
Speaker 1: between that in January six has you know, it's open

3543
03:11:08,440 --> 03:11:12,279
Speaker 1: the floodgates and now that was that was six being possible.

3544
03:11:12,360 --> 03:11:15,440
Speaker 1: Is the more and more protests around capitals of people

3545
03:11:15,440 --> 03:11:18,360
Speaker 1: showing up in mass to overwhelm anyone. And because they're

3546
03:11:18,360 --> 03:11:20,480
Speaker 1: all white, and because they're all like middle class conservatives,

3547
03:11:20,520 --> 03:11:23,039
Speaker 1: no one's gonna stop them. Yeah, and and you know,

3548
03:11:23,040 --> 03:11:25,760
Speaker 1: and this is the thing, right, you know, the Cokes.

3549
03:11:27,879 --> 03:11:31,560
Speaker 1: I I genuinely don't know what the Cokes want out

3550
03:11:31,560 --> 03:11:33,080
Speaker 1: of this. My guess is that the thing that they

3551
03:11:33,120 --> 03:11:35,280
Speaker 1: want is is a new based Republican voters. But that's

3552
03:11:35,280 --> 03:11:36,920
Speaker 1: not what they're creating. The thing that they're creating is

3553
03:11:36,920 --> 03:11:40,440
Speaker 1: a new core fascist street fighters. And ye, you know it.

3554
03:11:40,920 --> 03:11:44,000
Speaker 1: At some point, it doesn't it literally doesn't matter whether

3555
03:11:44,080 --> 03:11:45,480
Speaker 1: or not this is what the Cokes are trying to

3556
03:11:45,520 --> 03:11:49,160
Speaker 1: do or like not trying to do, because they're in

3557
03:11:49,240 --> 03:11:51,600
Speaker 1: the end it's it's just pushing people towards thinking there's

3558
03:11:51,640 --> 03:11:56,000
Speaker 1: no political solution. It's still only only violence and overwhelming

3559
03:11:56,040 --> 03:11:58,160
Speaker 1: people in mass is the only way to get the

3560
03:11:58,240 --> 03:12:01,200
Speaker 1: change that they want. The change they want is to

3561
03:12:01,320 --> 03:12:05,640
Speaker 1: have trans kids not exists. And yeah, just more more

3562
03:12:05,680 --> 03:12:09,680
Speaker 1: and more like fecistic policies. Um, whether that be you know,

3563
03:12:09,800 --> 03:12:12,760
Speaker 1: banning books that mentioned gay people existing or what it's

3564
03:12:12,800 --> 03:12:15,680
Speaker 1: like to be a gay person, whether that be teaching

3565
03:12:15,760 --> 03:12:18,800
Speaker 1: people that racism is still an actual thing that exists,

3566
03:12:19,160 --> 03:12:21,600
Speaker 1: or that be putting a masculine so you don't kill

3567
03:12:21,720 --> 03:12:25,480
Speaker 1: your grandma or whatever. Yep. Well, and you know, and

3568
03:12:25,600 --> 03:12:27,320
Speaker 1: I think I think one last thing, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: we saw what happened last time they were in power, right,

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Speaker 1: and it was you know, and like you can you

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Speaker 1: can talk about how a lot of the worst stuff

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Speaker 1: is still happening. Was like, yeah, they put a bunch

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Speaker 1: of people in concentration camps, right, and if they if

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Speaker 1: they take back power again, and there's a good chance

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Speaker 1: that they're going to because you know, the Democrats are

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Speaker 1: being they you know, the Democrats never want to be

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Speaker 1: in power. The thing, they want to be a minority

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Speaker 1: oppositions they can do fundraising, right and if you know,

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Speaker 1: when when when these people, if these people take power again,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be even worse than it was last time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The thing looking at looking at the Virginia election, the

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Speaker 1: night of recording is a great example of that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh in terms of yeah, it turns out when democrats

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Speaker 1: just do nothing and just sit around in office, you

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Speaker 1: don't convince young people to want to vote for them

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Speaker 1: because they're not actually doing anything. So then they just

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Speaker 1: sit out then the Republicans actually do vote in people.

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Speaker 1: Then we get uh we anti CRT person elected to

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Speaker 1: be the governor of Virginia. And that's the episode. Good Times. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody's optimistic feeling nice. Well, um, we'll be

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Speaker 1: back with something else. Research your school boards, who is

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Speaker 1: in it, and just protests around it and maybe show

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Speaker 1: up with some of your I don't know buddies with

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Speaker 1: your lattes and stand in front of the building and

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Speaker 1: be like, no, we don't want you, we don't want

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Speaker 1: you to shut stuff down because no one else is

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Speaker 1: going to stop them. It has to be just like

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Speaker 1: regular people. You can't it's not going to be any

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Speaker 1: elected Democrats, and like, you can't rely on teens and

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Speaker 1: black block to do this. That this isn't this isn't

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Speaker 1: what they need to be doing. It should be like yeah,

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Speaker 1: it'd be like millennials and Gen X need to be like, hey, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna We're not gonna have you doing this. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the episode. That's the episode. Hey, we'll

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Speaker 1: be back Monday with more episodes every week from now

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