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Speaker 4: up until the end of this hour nine am Eastern time,

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Speaker 4: six o'clock Pacific. So yesterday we caught up with our

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Speaker 4: guy Pete Prisco and apparently he was up on something

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Speaker 4: that maybe not a lot of people were because from

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Speaker 4: what I had seen, the impression was that Travis Hunter

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Speaker 4: was going to be more wide receiver than he was cornerback,

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Speaker 4: and apparently, based on their scrimmage numbers, that is not

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Speaker 4: the case. So what is the what's the plan? Then

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Speaker 4: in Jacksonvills, he just going to the depth chart is wrong.

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Speaker 4: They were looking at a cornerback two and a wide

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Speaker 4: receiver one. And so now Pete Priscoe was saying yesterday like, no,

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Speaker 4: he's going to be a cornerback, and you know they're

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Speaker 4: going to work him in at wide receiver depending on

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Speaker 4: certain packages. But nonetheless, Travis Hunter, there's a lot going

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Speaker 4: on there in Jacksonville with how to use him. But

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Speaker 4: it does look like maybe leaning more towards cornerback with

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Speaker 4: getting some work in with the wide receivers as well too,

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Speaker 4: based on these numbers came.

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Speaker 5: Out, I mean, I would say, and looking at it,

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Speaker 5: I think Pete prisco is probably accurate in saying that

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Speaker 5: they're giving or was it ab that said that, that

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Speaker 5: they're giving him more work on offense, because that's that's

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Speaker 5: where he probably needs the most work and learning the

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Speaker 5: verbiage of the offensive plays in the in the playbook,

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Speaker 5: as well as certain things small small details and things

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Speaker 5: that he has to learn and to do as a receiver,

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Speaker 5: whether it be splits and lineups, whether it be shifts

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Speaker 5: and motions, whether it be the depth of the routes,

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Speaker 5: the timing of it all. I think there's there's definitely

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Speaker 5: a lot more details that he needs to get a

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Speaker 5: hold of as as a receiver versus being a corner.

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Speaker 5: Got but I think that that's probably why he's doing

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Speaker 5: more reps on the offensive side of the ball as opposed.

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Speaker 6: To offense for your teams, you coach, right, Yeah, I

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Speaker 6: did see.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to put my I'm going to put my best,

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Speaker 5: my best athletes. But I had the you know, I

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Speaker 5: had twenty twenty one players, twenty two players. Q. Oh,

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Speaker 5: so you're okay, So so everybody was a Travis Hunter

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Speaker 5: on my team.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, well, I guess the point I'm getting to though,

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Speaker 6: is I think you pointed out something that you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you you've been willing to admit.

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Speaker 6: I think it takes it takes a little more to

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Speaker 6: play offense. Is that fair to say?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it does, it does. It's fair.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just more. Yeah, it's more to it, definitely

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Speaker 5: more to it.

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Speaker 6: There's so many things for offensive players to learn, and

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Speaker 6: you know, everyone's always like, well, what's the easiest I'm like, well,

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Speaker 6: it's not really that easy, as you just laid out

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Speaker 6: between your split switch. Honestly, that's one of the harder

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Speaker 6: primarily in the middle of the field, at least compared

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Speaker 6: to college. Right, you think about how why those college

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Speaker 6: So your splits have to be much more precise because

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Speaker 6: You know you've kind of come to the come to

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Speaker 6: I remember when we first started doing the show together,

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Speaker 6: Jonas used to tell me that you'd be drawing up

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Speaker 6: Did I find that adorable? I just want you to

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Speaker 4: You have Urban Meyer try you want.

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Speaker 5: We were drawing up plays in the Avocado room. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and it worked. I told you, I called it and

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Speaker 5: It was an RPO play action, and it just we utilized.

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Speaker 5: was a movement play. So we moved, made them move

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Speaker 4: In fact, if you ask a high school.

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Speaker 5: motions and shifts are really really difficult.

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Speaker 5: So so he made it a shift a shift formation

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was an r PO, so it looked

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Speaker 2: He put it in there, pulled it out.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 6: But the basic thought is he's gonna have a much

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Speaker 6: Brian Thomas is their number one wide receiver, Travis. You know,

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Speaker 6: Hunter may merge into that, but he's not going to

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Speaker 6: there's nothing wrong with that. You know, he he can

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Speaker 6: they can, you know, find ways of utilizing him. Hopefully

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Speaker 6: with him not as the number one reader, not getting

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Speaker 6: on defense you can focus on him, you know, trying

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Speaker 6: to be a starter, trying to be the guy. I mean,

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Speaker 6: him him across from Tyson Campbell, Like, that's a hell

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Speaker 6: should be able to win you some football games defensively

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Speaker 4: I mean, it does make the Jaguars interesting. First time

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Speaker 2: That's been definitely makes them interesting.

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Speaker 4: So they've been just there's been nothing going there for

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Speaker 4: a long time. And so now you've got you've got

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Speaker 4: Travis Hunter there. You've got skeptics in and around the NFL,

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Speaker 4: one of those being DeVante Adams. He was on the

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Speaker 4: pivot and talking about the potential of him playing both sides,

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Speaker 4: that him being Travis Hunter. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: I don't even think it's possible to do for real,

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Speaker 8: hard enough to go cover a punt and then and

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Speaker 8: and I didn't.

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Speaker 6: I haven't done it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not acting like I'm gonna.

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Speaker 9: Kick off for a punt.

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Speaker 8: But I can see the dudes, and I know, you know,

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Speaker 8: you you got your guys, and you see the yardage

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Speaker 8: And I don't know how long. I'm not even concerned

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Speaker 8: long is his career gonna be if he's playing that

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Speaker 8: an injury free season and go ball out, But I mean,

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Speaker 8: it's just the reality. The more you're on the field, yeah,

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Speaker 8: once you get out there playing both sides and now

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Speaker 8: you gotta tackle, you got you gotta tackle Derrick Henry

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Speaker 4: So there's you know that earlier in the week, right.

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Speaker 6: I mean, like his career as one or the other

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Speaker 6: is probably depending on again, the trajectory is going on.

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Speaker 6: He's easily in the double digits. He might say that

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Speaker 6: by the time he's thirty, he's eight years into it.

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Speaker 5: I think to guys that have always played both ways,

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Speaker 5: it's like it's like the idea of if you had

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Speaker 5: so I feel like this is the same difference, like

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Speaker 5: like to be a two way player when you go

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Speaker 5: to college more often than not, but there's there's a

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Speaker 5: was like a really both ways and it never changed

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Speaker 5: in terms of what he did and in high school

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Speaker 5: body responds differently when it's already repping it out that way.

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Speaker 5: It's not like he's doing something new now. The wear

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Speaker 5: and tear, I think that's very real, and I think

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Speaker 5: that that's the one thing that exists that makes the

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Speaker 5: lens of concern. But to Travis Hunter, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 5: sure he'll tell you he'll go for as long as

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Speaker 5: he can, for as many years as he can, doing

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Speaker 5: both ways and doing it at a high level. I

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Speaker 4: You mentioned the three Super Bowl championships. He's now the

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Speaker 7: No problem.

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Speaker 7: It really is a two person job. It's a one

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Speaker 5: It's an interesting point. And for you being at the

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Speaker 7: Well, when you get paid right, LaVar, you become a professional.

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Speaker 7: Amateurs blame others, Professionals accept responsibility. Amateurs focus on the

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Speaker 4: Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox Sports Radio. Mike,

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Speaker 4: before we let you go, you had a successful run

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Speaker 7: Well, what motivated me was the injustices that happened in

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Speaker 7: I wrote the book under the pretense why it was

438
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Speaker 7: Sterling Sharp not in the Hall of Fame. Two years

439
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Speaker 7: later he got in the Hall of Fame. But there's

440
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Speaker 7: so many players that are overlooked in that area. And

441
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Speaker 7: I think, to me, especially in the coaching venue. You know,

442
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Speaker 7: it's a political it's a political event. It's not based

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Speaker 7: on merit. Why did it take so long for Charles

444
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Speaker 7: Haley to get into the Hall of Fame. It's ridiculous, right,

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Speaker 7: Charles Haley's one of the best players in the National

446
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Speaker 7: Football League. It took him forever to get in the

447
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Speaker 7: Hall of Fame. Well, he wasn't popular with the media,

448
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Speaker 7: and I think you need to take that out of it.

449
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Speaker 7: You know, I think it's an injustice that Clark Shaughnessy,

450
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Speaker 7: the man who invented the forward pass. He invented the

451
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Speaker 7: forward pass. When I used to get on the team

452
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Speaker 7: bus in San Francisco, Bill Walsh would be dudling Clark

453
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Speaker 7: Shaughnessy's plays. He's in the College Hall of Fame, but

454
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Speaker 7: he can't get in the pro he invented the pass.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's just these kind of things. No one's

456
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Speaker 7: paying attention to it. And the purpose of the book was,

457
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Speaker 7: you know, Larry David on his show Curby Your Enthusiasm

458
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Speaker 7: he called the g that sits in the middle of

459
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Speaker 7: a dinner party table the middler, the st conversation. That's

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Speaker 7: what I was trying to do with this book is

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Speaker 7: stir conversation.

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Speaker 4: Michael Lombardi awesome. You can get him on x at

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Speaker 4: m Lombardi U NCGM. Congrats on the new gig, can't

464
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Speaker 4: wait to watch. It's gonna be fascinating. Congrats on the

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Speaker 4: second book and let's do it again soon.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 4: There he is, Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox

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Speaker 4: Sports Radio. The more we get closer to Belichick, Lombardi

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Speaker 4: at North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Must see t the more I'm fascinated by its. See,

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Speaker 2: you can't wait to see how this is going to work.

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Speaker 6: Listening to by the way, I mean, everyone who surrounds

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Speaker 6: Bill Belichick, or I should say who he surrounds himself with,

475
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Speaker 6: is super sharp. I mean, that's the one thing I

476
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Speaker 6: would say, just from all the coaches that I played

477
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Speaker 6: for that were assistants under Bill Belichick and coordinators and

478
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Speaker 6: became head coaches, they're super sharp and they all have

479
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Speaker 6: they know football. And so if you look at like

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Speaker 6: all those coaches and you go, well, why did they

481
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Speaker 6: have more success or why don't Moore win Super Bowls?

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Speaker 6: It's it's hard, man. You just listen to Michael Lombardi

483
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Speaker 6: tell you about a guy like Marty Schottenheimer who won

484
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Speaker 6: two hundred games, who was an incredibly successful coach that

485
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Speaker 6: didn't win a Super Bowl. But grant, there's there's others

486
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Speaker 6: who have been legends of the game, and that it

487
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Speaker 6: doesn't always equates always working out that way because there's

488
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Speaker 6: a lot of factors that play a role. But I

489
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Speaker 6: love hearing about the history of it. I love, you know,

490
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Speaker 6: because I mean football it's all you know, copycat. You know,

491
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Speaker 6: guys kind of rinse repeat, you know, some of the

492
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Speaker 6: stuff that's been going on for a long time.

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Speaker 2: I will say this, new Rockney may have.

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Speaker 6: An issue with his claim on who created the forward pass?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, can do?

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Speaker 6: I do think new Rockney at one point was credited

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Speaker 6: in creating the forward pass. So I'll have to help

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Speaker 6: to look that up.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's only one way to get to the

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Speaker 4: answer here, great or Lee Lee? Yeah, I'll take Lee

501
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Speaker 4: over grock any day of the week. It way more entertaining.

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Speaker 4: All right, Lee, who created the forward pass?

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Speaker 7: Right?

504
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Speaker 4: So we can get to the bottom of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: This is important.

506
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Speaker 4: It is true though, there's so many variables and so

507
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Speaker 4: many things that need to happen right for you to

508
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Speaker 4: win a Super Bowl, And once you win that Super Bowl,

509
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Speaker 4: the way your career is viewed is completely different. And look,

510
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Speaker 4: it definitely is worth something. But man, I mean, like

511
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Speaker 4: Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan's probably there's probably a discussion being

512
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Speaker 4: had for him being a Hall of Famer. If they

513
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Speaker 4: could hold onto a lead, or you know, if they

514
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Speaker 4: chose to run the ball a couple more times, or

515
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Speaker 4: if one of those two point conversions that the Patriots

516
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Speaker 4: converted on late in that game. They don't convert on

517
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Speaker 4: Matt Ryan. All of a sudden, we're talking about him

518
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Speaker 4: being a Hall of Famer. With a Super Bowl ring

519
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Speaker 4: and a win over Tom Brady just changes you the

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Speaker 4: course of your entire career.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, and those are nuanced conversations, right.

522
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Speaker 6: You know, he's playing with another Hall of Famer in

523
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Speaker 6: Julio Jones. But it's incredible to think how it is

524
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Speaker 6: media driven. Like we're talking about that subject right now,

525
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Speaker 6: But if you ask other people who played with them,

526
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Speaker 6: you know, people like will come up to bat form

527
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Speaker 6: and say, no, he should be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 6: I mean Philip Rivers, another guy who didn't win a

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl, was incredibly successful and prolific of the course

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Speaker 6: of his career and a player that when you talk

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Speaker 6: to guys who are like, no, he should be a

532
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Speaker 6: Hall of Famer, there's people who feel that way. So look,

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Speaker 6: fans have their opinion, media has got their own opinion

534
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Speaker 6: on it. But the fact that it is the way

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Speaker 6: it is sometimes where guys have to wait, who shouldn't

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Speaker 6: That's what's frustrating.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I'm curious to see how it

538
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Speaker 5: all plays out and to see what we're talking about

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Speaker 5: legacies and how people are viewed and being one win

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Speaker 5: or wins away from being viewed a certain type of way.

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Speaker 5: What will the aftermath of this experiment project with you

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Speaker 5: and c with Belichick, with Lombardi coming to college with

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Speaker 5: a sense of, as he said in himself, teaching these

544
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Speaker 5: young guys how to be professionals from day one?

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Speaker 2: Did you like that?

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Speaker 6: By the way, I actually loved to just say, because

547
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Speaker 6: you're like it kind.

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Speaker 5: Of makes sense, and it makes sense in a lot

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Speaker 5: of ways. My biggest question is, with so many different backgrounds,

550
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Speaker 5: so many different motivations, how are you able to get

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Speaker 5: those lessons across with some seventeen, eighteen year old, nineteen

552
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Speaker 5: year old, you know, twenty year old, you know, young

553
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Speaker 5: young dudes. There are so many different things that their

554
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Speaker 5: minds are on and and it's just it it sounds

555
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Speaker 5: good in theory.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think there's some common ground there.

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Speaker 5: You would see if you've ever coached and you've been

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Speaker 5: around these kids on an everyday basis, It is definitely

559
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Speaker 5: very Uh, it's it's a challenge.

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Speaker 2: I'll say that there's some common ground.

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Speaker 5: I heard the setup, go ahead, finish it. No I'm

562
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Speaker 5: just finish the finish the setup. What they're interested in.

563
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Speaker 5: At that age, you know some young coach, same age

564
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Speaker 5: and they go out on double dates. I mean, you

565
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Speaker 5: are a funny dude, because it did. I heard you,

566
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Speaker 5: but it didn't click in. I was waiting for the punchline.

567
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Speaker 5: And then I really thought about what you said.

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Speaker 6: And if you don't think you're not gonna run into

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Speaker 6: Bill Belichick at the hot spot there in Chapel Hill,

570
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Speaker 6: all right, whatever restaurant.

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Speaker 5: That is on a date night, you're a dead rock.

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Speaker 5: That's relatable. I mean, they are relatable. Damn.

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Speaker 4: I mean, don't you respect him more as a talent

574
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Speaker 4: evaluator based on this offseason?

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Speaker 2: That's what I do.

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Speaker 5: I bet you those kids are going to play harder.

577
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Speaker 5: I bet you they're gonna play harder for a coach

578
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Speaker 5: that they know will date a woman.

579
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Speaker 2: That looks like that at that age.

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Speaker 5: I bet you they play harder because the respect factor

581
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Speaker 5: is going to be different up till you he's playing

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Speaker 5: in our pool.

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Speaker 6: I feel like, in all seriousness, I did.

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Speaker 2: This, you did? Do you did? Does all right?

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Speaker 6: Good? I do feel like this is going to work.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's a there's a number of things that

587
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Speaker 6: line up for U and C to be successful. Outside

588
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Speaker 6: of Clemson, clem is gonna be really good this year.

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Speaker 6: There's not really another team that makes you go okay,

590
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Speaker 6: like Miami could be really good, which weird stat this is.

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Speaker 6: This is actually amazing. By the way, do you guys

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Speaker 6: know Miami in their first I want to say, it's

593
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Speaker 6: like six or seven games, they played one away game

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Speaker 6: before November. Really the season starts for them with August

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Speaker 6: thirty first, that Sunday Night versus Notre Dame. They will

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Speaker 6: play in the state of Florida all right the entire

597
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Speaker 6: time until November, so they're basically playing I think it's

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Speaker 6: like six home games and one away game. Uh maybe

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Speaker 6: they play what at Florida Stairs someone they play someone

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Speaker 6: else else on the road, but in Florida, everywhere else

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Speaker 6: is at home. It is the most stacked schedule I

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Speaker 6: have ever seen.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Florida, Florida at Florida State.

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Speaker 6: Jesus, it's everything's at everything's in Miami besides the Florida

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Speaker 6: State game. And then they finally go on the road in.

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Speaker 4: November, and they're going to start off the year oh

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Speaker 4: and one.

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Speaker 6: So they got to make up for that's right, how

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Speaker 6: about them apples top But anyway, Miami's schedule sets up

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Speaker 6: well for them, with the exception of having to get

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Speaker 6: drum by Notre Dame week one, Clemson won't be good.

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Speaker 6: But outside of that, you're going all right. Like Florida

613
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Speaker 6: State's kind of down, so you and seek it easily,

614
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Speaker 6: flip the script on. A lot of people will become

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Speaker 6: that team no one's talking about. And I think a

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Speaker 6: lot of the things they're doing, you know, bringing more

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Speaker 6: of a pro style model. You hear about some of

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Speaker 6: the parents who want their son to you know, play

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Speaker 6: for Bill Belichick and have that all that NFL experience.

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Speaker 6: It's real. I mean, Michael, the whole cell phone thing

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Speaker 6: just kind of tickles me because it's just it's one

622
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Speaker 6: of those little quirks that you when you sit and

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Speaker 6: think about it, you go, that's a powerful message to

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Speaker 6: tell to a young person who's got money and now

625
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Speaker 6: fame at a really young age. Is you now control

626
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Speaker 6: who's in your life? And I understand your point of like, hey,

627
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Speaker 6: it's not that easy, which, by the way, it's I

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Speaker 6: don't care if you're black, white, Hispanic, whatever, Like what yep,

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying everyone deals with that like taking care

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Speaker 6: of the family, taking care of the boys, taking care

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Speaker 6: of whatever it is, you know, whatever you want to

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Speaker 6: describe it like, there's all elements of that once you

633
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 6: get money and once you make it. So it's a

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Speaker 6: powerful message to me because I think it resonates with

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Speaker 6: like anyone at that stage of life who's eighteen years

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Speaker 6: old as all of a sudden making hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 6: of dollars, maybe even depending on who they are, a

638
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Speaker 6: million or more, and then being able to understand how

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Speaker 6: you get to deal with that. You know, that's a

640
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Speaker 6: tough thing to deal with at eighteen years old.

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Speaker 4: Lee, Do we have an answer on who created the

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Speaker 4: forward pass?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the.

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Speaker 9: University of North Carolina likes to say that they invented

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Speaker 9: the forward pass, which might you know, some people might

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Speaker 9: say is the case because they did it in eighteen

647
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Speaker 9: ninety five against the University of Georgia. It wasn't legal

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Speaker 9: until nineteen oh six, and so it was credited to

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Speaker 9: coach of Saint Louis University Eddie Coacherns, the father of

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Speaker 9: the forward pass, Bradbury Robinson. Bradberry Robinson threw that first

651
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Speaker 9: pass under those rules, it wasn't incomplete and therefore resulted

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Speaker 9: in a turnover. He did later throw a twenty yard

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Speaker 9: touchdown in that season. But yeah, his coach, Eddie Coacherns

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Speaker 9: is considered the father of.

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Speaker 2: The forward pass.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so I'm seeing John Heisman is the renowned coach

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Speaker 6: is most closely associated with the development of it because

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Speaker 6: he's the one who helped advocate and really pushed it

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Speaker 6: a legalized and then nineteen oh six rules committee. That's

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Speaker 6: what I was able to find.

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Speaker 2: Lee.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, sorry, uh yeah, well radio you huh well, no, figure,

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Speaker 5: you know, they can't see you, like.

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Speaker 2: Look, yeah, say something.

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Speaker 6: They can't see the hour glass sy to process.

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Speaker 2: Hailee respond a little bit quicker than that.

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Speaker 4: But you are the grock for people driving.

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Speaker 9: I stand No, I agree that John Heisman, the namesake

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Speaker 9: of the Heisman, wrote thirty years later that he believes

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Speaker 9: that the tar heels gave for to the forward pass. Again,

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Speaker 9: it wasn't legal until nineteen oh six. I'm just telling

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Speaker 9: you what.

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Speaker 6: Who you're telling us what crock you found on rock?

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Speaker 9: No, I'm telling you what. Uh So, there's many historians

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Speaker 9: who say that Eddie Coachurns was to the forward pass

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Speaker 9: with the right brothers word of aviation, and what Thomas

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Speaker 9: Edison was to the electrics all right, to electric.

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Speaker 6: Staff again cross right, chat GBT perplexity. What do you

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Speaker 6: usually Gemini?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Use Wikipedia of course.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well if you used Google, you used Gemini more like.

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Speaker 4: More like lead to fact. He knows this stuff, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Please Alee.

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Speaker 6: What was the email I sent you last night? You

686
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Speaker 6: completely left out for the Michael Lobardi interview what his

687
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Speaker 6: current title is? Of all the things you just sent

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Speaker 6: over to promote.

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Speaker 9: I forget what you said. I remember you called me

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Speaker 9: lead a drunk? But uh and then I basically stopped

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Speaker 9: stop reading what you have to write.

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Speaker 6: Because I said he's the current general manager at North Carolina,

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Speaker 6: which you did not include the email.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I did, current GM of U n C. It's

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Speaker 9: right there on the on the rundown.

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Speaker 6: The first thing on the rundown on the email.

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Speaker 9: The email I sent you was about the book. Obviously

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Speaker 9: we know we're going to talk about you, Lee.

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Speaker 4: What did he call what did Brady call you.

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Speaker 6: Lead a drunk?

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Speaker 9: And then I stopped reading.

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Speaker 2: It's really good. It's really good.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because it's so unbelievable.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think without saying that we were going

705
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Speaker 9: to sending you information of things that you didn't drunk.

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Speaker 2: That's a T shirt. I got to change that on

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Speaker 2: the zoom lead the lead.

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Speaker 4: So what so if he leads with the drunk, you're out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Fire, Okay, I knew.

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Speaker 6: But I said, don't get sensitive because I'm not sensing

712
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Speaker 6: all the time. It's fine.

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Speaker 9: I'm not too sensitive about it. I'm just saying I

714
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Speaker 9: didn't know that he's the current GM.

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Speaker 6: Of UNC's Barney from The Simpsons. You're fine.

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Speaker 5: Ah, oh no, damn, oh no, all right, what the

717
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Speaker 5: hell happened here?

718
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Speaker 4: Well, it is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe

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Speaker 4: here on Fox Sports Radio going on, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,

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Speaker 4: Jonas Knox with you coming up next. So we are

721
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Speaker 4: going to close up shop with another edition of Lee's

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Speaker 4: Leftovers right here at FSR Two Pros.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

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Speaker 3: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington, and

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Speaker 3: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

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Speaker 4: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 4: LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks with you here. If

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Speaker 4: you've missed any of this show, the podcast will be out.

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Speaker 4: It'll be up shortly after we go off the air.

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Speaker 4: You just search two Pros wherever you get your podcast,

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Speaker 4: and and then right after the show you'll see it.

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Speaker 4: You can follow the podcast, you can rate it five stars,

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Speaker 4: and you can even provide a review. Again, just search

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Speaker 4: two Pros wherever you got your podcast. You'll find today's

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Speaker 4: full show and a best of version posted right after

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Speaker 4: the end of this show, and we'll be back on

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Speaker 4: the air coming up tomorrow, same time, same place, six

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Speaker 4: am Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific. But right now it's

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Speaker 4: time for this.

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Speaker 3: Please might smell.

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Speaker 2: A little fun.

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Speaker 6: How that sounds incredible?

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Speaker 3: But they're still good. Time to find out what Slack's

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00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: Lee's laphos?

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Speaker 4: All right, d lap, what do we got?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 6: Guys?

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Speaker 9: Yesterday was mister Hulk Hogan's memorial service, star studed event.

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Speaker 9: Many people came to show their respects. Of course we've

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Speaker 9: talked about this before. I believe that the one person

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00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 9: who didn't show was his daughter Brooke. She decided to

752
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 9: honor her father the best way. She thought was privately

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Speaker 9: on a beach, which is where he liked to hang out.

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00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 9: She hung out there with her twins. She also famously

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00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 9: has taken herself out of his will. So yeah, rip

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Speaker 9: to mister Hulk Hogan.

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00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 4: Like an upbeat story to start off Lee's left over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah there you go.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I got a lot of sad ones here

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00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 9: for you today.

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Speaker 2: How about this?

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Speaker 9: Howard Stern is one hundred million dollar contract famously signed.

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Speaker 9: It's probably no longer going to be happening in Too

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Speaker 9: Serious XM has reportedly grown tired of that salary. They

765
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Speaker 9: will offer him a contract that they expect him to reject.

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Speaker 9: So after twenty years on that at Serious XM, he

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Speaker 9: will likely be done at the end of his contract.

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Speaker 6: Can I say this without it being controversial him getting

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Speaker 6: paid as much as he did. I understand the economics

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Speaker 6: of it because he brought over so many subscribers who

771
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 6: signed up Too Serious for that show. But you gotta

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Speaker 6: feel lucky man, just for getting paid what he was

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Speaker 6: getting paid to talk. Oh god, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 6: my god, dude, like you wouldn't do that for less?

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Speaker 6: Like what just because he's got his standard of what

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00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 6: he's been paid like he should feel extremely fortunate and

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Speaker 6: blessed for what he's been able to do for as

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Speaker 6: long as he's been able to do it.

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Speaker 2: He was definitely a trailblazer.

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Speaker 6: He was you know, yeah, what was that movie?

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Speaker 2: He made? Private? Part of it? Parts? That was it? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: That was interesting that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he broke down a lot of barriers.

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Speaker 5: He challenged a lot of things on on on radio.

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Speaker 4: It's funny.

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Speaker 6: We actually watched that movie in college for radio, just

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Speaker 6: so that we know what he did. Did they show

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Speaker 6: all the scenes?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 6: Okay, bring that speaker right over here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't lying?

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Speaker 4: What else?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, guys, some stuff for you to watch this in

795
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Speaker 9: the next couple of days. King of the Hill has

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Speaker 9: come back and return. I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 9: were fans of King of the Hill back of the day.

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Speaker 9: I'm about halfway through the season.

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Speaker 6: Is that the show with the guy who's got no ass?

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Speaker 9: He has a narrow urethra I knew me a beer?

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Speaker 9: What he famously? Well, of course, King Uh, that's kind

802
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 9: of hill. He sells propane and propane accessories. If you

803
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 9: watch the show, famously has a narrow Urethra. And if

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00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 9: you watch this new season, well it opens up with reminding,

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Speaker 9: opens up with a narrow urethra.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he's coming back from Saudi Arabia and is on

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Speaker 9: the takes the whole flight to try.

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Speaker 2: To use the restaurant. Okay, very interesting. It's a great show.

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Speaker 2: That's funny to you.

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Speaker 9: I didn't quite I didn't quite appreciate it when I

812
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Speaker 9: was younger, But no, no, I love it. I'm excited

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Speaker 9: to see Bobby twenty one year old Bobby.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Bobby Hill.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to hit the same There's

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Speaker 5: no way it's going to hit the same.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Did you guys see that that Peyton Manning is producing

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Speaker 5: a show on.

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Speaker 2: What is it with.

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Speaker 5: The the Mountains and stuff like that? Paramount Paramount? I

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Speaker 5: believe it's going to be on for hip hop. I

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Speaker 5: was like, where he come for the history of hip hop?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I had no idea you're going in the mount

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Speaker 6: It was like the mountains, the Mountain, you know, isn't

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Speaker 6: that Paramount? Yeah, you're right, right, I just.

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Speaker 2: I remember.

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Speaker 5: I just saw Peyton Manning on on camera just now

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Speaker 5: and Lee was talking about some some weird like Narrow

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Speaker 5: Urethra type stuff.

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Speaker 2: I just I tuned out. I tuned out and I

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Speaker 2: saw Peyton.

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Speaker 5: I was like, oh, by the way, and you had

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Speaker 5: no thank you for tuning in, which I think, yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: I think that's really cool, like Peyton Manning doing the

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Speaker 5: history of hip hop like up top.

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Speaker 4: In one segment we got Paul Cogan's death and Narrow

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Speaker 4: Urethra and Peyton Manning working on hip hop, fucking that trees.

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Speaker 5: All right, which one of those was about sports.

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00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: That's all sports related.

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00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 4: Right till you finish the show, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Dang these leftovers. Tavy Day draw the droop, he drow