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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. It's me Jason McIntyre here on Straight Fire. Thursday,

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Speaker 1: October twenty nine. We got Thursday Night Football Tonight best Bet.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the podcast, it's nearly Halloween weekend.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna Um, I don't know if I should tease

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Speaker 1: that I went to elementary school, high school, college with,

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Speaker 1: and he had a Halloween party over the weekend and

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Speaker 1: he sent me a picture of his outfit and I

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Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's dope I have. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I should spoil it or not. But obviously, you

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Speaker 1: guys are watching the show Cobra Kai on Netflix. There's

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Speaker 1: a really good Cobra Kai outfit on this website like

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Speaker 1: Halloween Costumes dot Com or something, so I ordered it.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching Cobra Kai obviously, and it's supposed to arrive

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Speaker 1: today in the mail. Very excited to rock my Cobra

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Speaker 1: Kai Halloween costume this weekend. Actually, my kids, UM, I've

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Speaker 1: shown them The Karate Kid the original many many times,

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Speaker 1: and a couple of years back, I think the year

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Speaker 1: before we got to California. We got the skeleton costumes

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Speaker 1: from the Karate Kid and wore them, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: just didn't. I just worried around the neighborhood. It was cool.

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Speaker 1: But the Cobra Kai is gonna be good. So I've

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Speaker 1: been hitting the weights hard this week to get jacked

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Speaker 1: for Halloween. Gosh, that sounds so nerdy to say at

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Speaker 1: any rate. Before we get to the podcast, and obviously,

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Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to our guest today.

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Speaker 1: You guys, if you like football inside writing books, um NFL,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, I mean Bruce feldon stops by amazing interview.

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Speaker 1: You guys are gonna love it. But first, a quick

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Speaker 1: piece of housekeeping, so I said, this week we're giving

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Speaker 1: away three on venmos too the best five star reviews

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Speaker 1: on iTunes, and I gotta say the reviews are rolling

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Speaker 1: in this week. I've been watching him every night and

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Speaker 1: the wife does not have a favorite yet, so I

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Speaker 1: Rob g will do the third one, but we will

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Speaker 1: reveal the next to tomorrow. But this one just cracked

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Speaker 1: me up because I know this guy. I had him

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Speaker 1: on my Saturday weekend show recently and I've worked with

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Speaker 1: him and he's awesome. He's just an energetic dude that

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Speaker 1: I really like a lot. His name is Nick Switcher,

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Speaker 1: played in the Majors, played for the Yanks, fiery guy,

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Speaker 1: and it's funny. One day we did this show together

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Speaker 1: guy's got the energy of me. But he's like a

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Speaker 1: former pro athlete, you know, and I'd love to do

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Speaker 1: something with him. And he actually came up and he's like, yo, Jay, Man,

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Speaker 1: And I felt honored. I'm like, man, this guy's cool.

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Speaker 1: This is great, and you know, we got friendly and

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Speaker 1: he's a really great dude at any rate. The five

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Speaker 1: star review on iTunes was straight Fire is the Nick

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Speaker 1: Swisher of podcasts. Straight Fire is the Nick Swisher of podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Highly energetic at any hour of the day, surprisingly intuitive,

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Speaker 1: and highly knowledgeable, delivers in big spots, makes you money,

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Speaker 1: doesn't shave every day. What's not to like? So shout

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Speaker 1: out to somebody named New York City baked Noodle. Hit

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Speaker 1: me up on Twitter or I G and I will

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Speaker 1: venmo you a Benjamin love that review. Guys, keep them coming.

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Speaker 1: We got two more we're giving out um on tomorrow's podcast,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I want to get you some money you

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Speaker 1: gamble holiday money. We're gonna be doing this in November.

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Speaker 1: We may actually do it quickly in November, before Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: and all that fun stuff. All Right, Before we get

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Speaker 1: to the interview in the Best Bet, I just have

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Speaker 1: to quickly chime in on what is happening in Dallas

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Speaker 1: I want to start by going back to one of

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Speaker 1: the early guests on this podcast, Brian Windhorst. If you

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Speaker 1: not just NBA. I asked Windhorst how he pivoted pivoted

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Speaker 1: five years ago, if you told me I would have

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Speaker 1: So how can we project five years ahead? Ten years ahead?

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Speaker 1: Folks project ten days ahead and hours ahead. But I

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Speaker 1: homework you can deliver. If you go back and look

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Speaker 1: at the podcast for this show, go back what nine days?

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Speaker 1: That's all you gotta go back nine days. And we

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Speaker 1: talked about it. We said, wait a second, Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: cut Zeke and Amari Cooper? Now that hasn't happened yet,

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Speaker 1: but the rumblings are starting, and you know where it

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Speaker 1: begins with the guys who they can cut. The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: They're not winning the division, Okay, certainly not with a

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Speaker 1: That's where this is going. And they're going to be

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Speaker 1: you just have to wonder, what if this breaks and

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna move on. And Zeke, we're gonna cut

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Speaker 1: interview with Bruce Feldman. Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: welcome into straight fire. A guy I know very well.

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Speaker 1: He covers college football better than any buddy. Uh. He

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Speaker 1: Jason's good to be on with you. Yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: good to have you. And uh, you know, you wrote

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Speaker 1: but I I just it seems like a labor intensive

427
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Speaker 1: thing that I don't know if I can handle, and

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you this, how much time did

429
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Speaker 1: you have to spend away from your family to to

430
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Speaker 1: cover the team and do this book? Are you down

431
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Speaker 1: there in Louisiana for months on end? You know, I

432
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time him at the end of

433
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Speaker 1: the last season, so it was fortunately, you know, my

434
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Speaker 1: TV crew did not have the conference title game last year,

435
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Speaker 1: so I got to spend the week with l s

436
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Speaker 1: U when they played Georgia, and then got to spend

437
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Speaker 1: much of the you know, the run up for the

438
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Speaker 1: whole playoff meeting, when they got ready to play Oklahoma,

439
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Speaker 1: when they played Oklahoma, and then obviously when they beat Clemson.

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Speaker 1: So it's all. I was in all the meetings. I

441
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Speaker 1: was in at the practices, I was on the sideline

442
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Speaker 1: for for UH for two of the games, I was

443
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Speaker 1: I was up in the press box for the Clemson game.

444
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Speaker 1: But just I had such you know, like access, so

445
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Speaker 1: you're able to see everything. And then I didn't know

446
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Speaker 1: how it was going to go in the pandemic because

447
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: that's when the a lot of the writing happened. And

448
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: as it was, because you know, they weren't able to practice,

449
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: I was able to be on the phone like I

450
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Speaker 1: had never talked to him so much on the phone,

451
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Speaker 1: like where it was like usually I could talk to

452
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Speaker 1: him for like eight minutes and then he'd have to

453
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Speaker 1: run on. These were like twenty four or forty five

454
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: hour minute conversations to go through stuff, you know, either

455
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: in his past or about details, stuff that I came

456
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: back with questions about. So that really helped the process.

457
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: And and honestly, because I was around the team so much,

458
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: um a lot of the staff guys, whether it was

459
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 1: a defensive line g a or or a position coach

460
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: or a coordinator, you know, I could always go back

461
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Speaker 1: to them. And there's a lot of stuff people like

462
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Speaker 1: that I felt good about in the book where it's like,

463
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, Ojeron may not have been in this player's

464
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 1: only meeting, but Foster Morrow, who's now a tight end

465
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Speaker 1: with the Raiders, he was. I mean, I can't tell

466
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Speaker 1: you how many times I've probably pestored Foster for detail stuff.

467
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: And he was also Joe Burrows host on the visit.

468
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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, you go back to

469
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Speaker 1: some of these people over and over again for the details,

470
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: and maybe the head coach doesn't have or maybe he

471
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Speaker 1: wasn't in this or just you want a different perspective

472
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Speaker 1: on it. And so you know, I could get uh

473
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Speaker 1: Ac Maruchi, who's the trainer has been there forever, um,

474
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Speaker 1: you know, have these hour long conversations with them to

475
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: really get a unique perspective into what happened. And I

476
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: think that's the part where it's a book, you really

477
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Speaker 1: want to stretch your legs and take the reader somewhere

478
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: or you know, like you know the way. The reason

479
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: why I feel so proud of this book is because

480
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: I know that even if you covered the team as

481
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Speaker 1: an lsub writer, you just didn't weren't able to go

482
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Speaker 1: to some of these places that I was able to

483
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Speaker 1: get to because I was around them for so much. Yeah,

484
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: and this is a real inside baseball question, but did

485
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Speaker 1: you know you probably got to know some of the

486
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Speaker 1: other guys who covered the team. How did they how

487
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Speaker 1: do they handle it? And you could be honest, you know,

488
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 1: when you're going into meetings and talking to players all

489
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Speaker 1: the time. I mean, obviously you weren't reporting on it.

490
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Speaker 1: You know, in the moment. It was for a book,

491
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Speaker 1: a bigger picture thing. But is there is there some jealousy?

492
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Speaker 1: Is their words exchange or people unhappy that you're getting

493
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Speaker 1: access they're not. I don't I don't know if there's

494
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Speaker 1: if there there's never words exchange the closest thing I've had,

495
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Speaker 1: And this goes back to the meat Market book. Like

496
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Speaker 1: I spent a year plus on the inside of that

497
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Speaker 1: football program, and it felt almost like I was undercover

498
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: because nobody really, like, you know, nobody really knew. I

499
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Speaker 1: was trying to steer clear the compliance guy and I

500
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Speaker 1: was trying to steer complear, steer clear of the a

501
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Speaker 1: D as much as possible, like they knew I was

502
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Speaker 1: in there, but I remembered, Um, I was there. Old

503
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Speaker 1: Miss was not very good. They played an Auburn team

504
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: that was like number six in the country and they

505
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Speaker 1: almost beat them. And I remember, like to the point

506
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Speaker 1: where I was still working at ESPN dot com and

507
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Speaker 1: for ESPN and the editor was like, hey, can you

508
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Speaker 1: write something about this for the website? And so I

509
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: did and I had, you know, I was like, it's

510
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Speaker 1: not gonna be that much part of the book. But

511
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Speaker 1: the scene I had was about a locker room scene.

512
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Speaker 1: And I remember I went back home to Los Angeles,

513
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Speaker 1: ros from after the story ran I got a call

514
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Speaker 1: from the s I D and he said, hey, not

515
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Speaker 1: for nothing, but and he mentioned the editor of the

516
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Speaker 1: local paper was really pissed at them because you know,

517
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Speaker 1: how did I have that kind of acts this? And

518
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Speaker 1: my only answer to that was, you know, in the

519
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: and I remember this was like in o Jeron's first

520
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Speaker 1: game as a head coach at Old Miss and I

521
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: wasn't down there for this at this point was he

522
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: gave like all access to the some of the writer

523
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Speaker 1: for the Memphis commercial appeal to spend time around the team.

524
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Speaker 1: And sometimes that happens, you know, where somebody either from

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Speaker 1: the relationship or there's a trust factor or just the

526
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Speaker 1: staff feels like, hey, this would be this. You know,

527
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Speaker 1: we want to you know, we feel like we work

528
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Speaker 1: really harder, we want to like help get the word

529
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Speaker 1: out about our program. You see these access stories, and

530
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: so that happens. But in the case of this, um,

531
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Speaker 1: you know, it worked out. I mean, look, I just

532
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm grateful for the opportunity that that Fox

533
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Speaker 1: and the Athletic we're able to let me, you know,

534
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Speaker 1: kind of steer clear for a little bit to get

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Speaker 1: this work done. And then in terms of the timing,

536
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, you're I'm writing late at night when my

537
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Speaker 1: kids are asleep, or first thing in the morning when

538
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Speaker 1: no he's up yet. And it's just kind of like,

539
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: because I've written a few books now, at least I

540
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: have kind of a working knowledge of how I feel

541
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: like I need to work to get stuff done. But

542
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: it's like you're living with the book, you know, kind

543
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: of for nine months in that case to try to

544
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: put the pieces together, and it's kind of like a

545
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: big puzzle. Um. But yeah, I definitely would get people

546
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Speaker 1: who would not be happy with, you know, who are

547
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Speaker 1: on the beat. And you know, look, I work with

548
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Speaker 1: Brodie Miller. He's a good reporter. He covers l s

549
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Speaker 1: U for the Athletic and I'm sure it's not great

550
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Speaker 1: that sometimes I'm getting access to stuff that you know,

551
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: he would like to be, you know, in a different

552
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Speaker 1: place or whatever. And that's just it, I mean, you know,

553
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: by the same token, like, look, I have colleagues or

554
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: friends who are also college football people that you know,

555
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: I know they have different you know, access to things

556
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: that I might not have. Certainly, let me ask quickly

557
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: about Joe Brady. My New York Jets are going to

558
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: be in the market for a coach. They should have

559
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: been weeks ago, but here we are. Um, I don't

560
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Speaker 1: really is it too big of a leap to say

561
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: Joe Brady is gonna get head coaching interviews. He's only

562
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Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't with the Saints, a lower level position.

563
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: And now obviously he's the offensive coordinator of a team

564
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: many thought with Stink and the Panthers you know who

565
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: play tonight on Thursday Night Football. You know they're they're

566
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Speaker 1: pretty good offense. Joe Brady doing well with Bridgewater. Uh,

567
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: Robby Anderson and company. Is Joe Brady gonna get looks

568
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: or you still think he's a couple of years away.

569
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: I think he is gonna get looks. And here's what's

570
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: bodes well for him. The head coach of the Arizona Cardinals,

571
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury is now he's older than Joe, and he

572
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: was an NFL player for a little bit, but he

573
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: was a guy who was seen as a cutting edge

574
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: offensive mine. He got an opportunity and he is doing

575
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: really well. That's higher. It looks really good obviously. Sean

576
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: McVeigh out here, the Rams has been a terrific, higher, young,

577
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: energetic offensive coach. Now, Joe's personality is very different from

578
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: those other guys. His profile is much lower. Um. But

579
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: having said that, um, you know where I remember going

580
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: when I went down to meat with with Brady the

581
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: first time. You know, one point we were talking and

582
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: I think I had asked him, have you ever done it?

583
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: You know it was it kind of came across it.

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00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: He had never done really gotten any interviews just in

585
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: terms of media wise, And if you think about it, uh,

586
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: most college coaches were most coach in general, football coaches

587
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: were probably pretty good players at some point. Either they

588
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: were a really good college player or they were at

589
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: least a really good high school player wherever they were.

590
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking like Mike Leecher Charlie White, but

591
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: most were at some point. Well, you gotta remember, so

592
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: Joe was never a position coach at that point. He

593
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: had been basically not even a position coach with the Saints.

594
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: He was a basically a quality control guy. And he

595
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: was a grad assistant at Penn State. So nobody's interviewing

596
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: those guys. And before that, he was a backup receiver

597
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: at William and Mary, which is an FCS school, But

598
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: you know it's not like a big stage and a

599
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: big media beat. And then in high school he was

600
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: in Dade County where there's a ton of other, you know,

601
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: football programs, so it wasn't like he was ever on

602
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: the big stage. Because so I think from part of that,

603
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: I think still people are trying to figure out who

604
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: is this mastermind, right, And so there's that, And then

605
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: the other thing is I think, you know, he does

606
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Speaker 1: have strong NFL ties because of his time with the

607
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: Saints and because there's so much respect for for Sean

608
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: Payton's system and he learned under Pete Carmichael and everybody

609
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: has been around him has been wowed by him. Now,

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Speaker 1: what I would tell you from working on the book

611
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Speaker 1: is I would sit in these meetings and you'd be

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Speaker 1: in the back of the hotel room where they would

613
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Speaker 1: have a team meeting the night before a game, and

614
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: you you know, there's probably thirty rows of chairs that

615
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Speaker 1: are lined up, and the coaching staff maybe sits in

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Speaker 1: the last three or four rows, and the players in

617
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Speaker 1: the rest of them in the front of the room.

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Speaker 1: And you know, at one point early on, I was like,

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Speaker 1: where's Brady. I see all these other guys and I'm

620
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: looking around and looking around, and all of a sudden,

621
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Speaker 1: I look in the in the second row in the

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Speaker 1: front of the room, and I see in between Justin

623
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Speaker 1: Jefferson and Jamaar Chase, I see a little red head

624
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: and Justin Jefferson has got his arm around him, and like,

625
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: that's Joe. He's in the middle of the receivers. When

626
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: we would eat dinner at team meals, you know, I

627
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: would sit at one of the coaches tables, and the

628
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: coaches tables would be in like the like four four

629
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Speaker 1: round tables in the corner of the room, and Brady

630
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: usually wasn't there. He would be eating with the receivers.

631
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, he was a receiver's coach and pass game coordinator.

632
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: And he's like, you know, he's thirty at the time,

633
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: and um, you know, so he really connected with those guys.

634
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: And so for people who think he's just this kind

635
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: of you know, I don't think he's like a nerdy

636
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: guy who nobody knows anything about. Like, he definitely has

637
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: a really good rapport with his guys. And I think

638
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: he's learned from think about his the guys he's worked

639
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: under now and now he worked under James Franklin at

640
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: Penn State. He worked under Sean Payton with the Saints,

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Speaker 1: he worked under Edo's Ron on a national championship team

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Speaker 1: in l s U. And now he's under Matt Rule,

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Speaker 1: who's a really um he's a really smart head coach.

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Speaker 1: So he's got some very good perspectives, and I I'd

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Speaker 1: be I'd be very surprised and he doesn't at least

646
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Speaker 1: get head coaching interviews. I'm not saying he's gonna get

647
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Speaker 1: the job at this point, because I think he knows

648
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Speaker 1: he can be choosing, but I'd be very surprised. No

649
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Speaker 1: one want to know about Joe Brady if he doesn't

650
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Speaker 1: get a head coaching interview. He's from Miami Dade County.

651
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Speaker 1: I think you said, and um, you know, do you

652
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: think he fits as a New York guy or does

653
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: he put that aside and say shucks, if I can play,

654
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: if I can coach for Trevor Lawrence, Hell's yes, that's

655
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Speaker 1: my gig. Um, you think he fits in the New

656
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: York market? I think he could, you know, like to me,

657
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Speaker 1: he's not like you know, and I can't say I

658
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: know Adam Gates at all, but he's not that you know,

659
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Speaker 1: like from what I know. I mean it's Joe. Joe

660
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: Brady is pretty normal guy, um in terms of like

661
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: he loves football. I don't think he's like the guy

662
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: who there's gonna be like he's you know, Cliff's persona

663
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: is a little different than what Cliff actually is. Like people,

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Speaker 1: I think because of the Ryan Gosling thing and they

665
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Speaker 1: saw the pictures of his home, like Burry's kind of

666
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: a grinder who's a coach's kid whose dad was in

667
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Speaker 1: the military. Like I think he's kind of he played

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Speaker 1: up some of that for recruiting purposes early on, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's really totally who he is, just

670
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Speaker 1: from knowing him and knowing the people close to him.

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Speaker 1: Whereas I think, like, yeah, there's definitely something that goes

672
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Speaker 1: when you have the expectation of being the Jets are

673
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: Giants coach because of the tabloids and you know, you

674
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: and I both know what what that you know environment

675
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: is like. But I think he is such a football guy,

676
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: like that's what he's into. Like he wants, like much

677
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: like Cliff, I think he just wants to you know,

678
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: going to the office five am and watch film and

679
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: figure hey, I got this and I'm gonna show the

680
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: players what we got and put them in position to succeed.

681
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: The other stuff, um, you know, was Tom Coflin and

682
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: like a media darling or anything like that. I mean,

683
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Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl, you know. I just think

684
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Speaker 1: it's like the question is gonna be do I go

685
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Speaker 1: in there, do I see what's on paper and think

686
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Speaker 1: this is the best situation for me? Or would I'd

687
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: be better served? And I'm not saying he could get

688
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Speaker 1: the Texans job or whatever, but or go to the

689
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. And again, I can't speak to you know,

690
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Speaker 1: a lot of those situations about everything that's involved. Clearly,

691
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Speaker 1: clearly Matt Rule was very enamored with what he saw

692
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: offered by the Panthers more so than other situations. And

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Speaker 1: I think Joe smart, He's going to learn from those

694
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: people he's got, you know, people he can turn do

695
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: just say hey, what do you think of this? Or whatever?

696
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Speaker 1: And I think that that will help him. But again,

697
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: he's young. He knows he can be really choosy and

698
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: not have to jump. Now, it won't be the worst

699
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: thing in the world for him to spend another year

700
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Speaker 1: with Matt Rule and be around you know, I know

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Speaker 1: he really likes Teddy, and I know he really likes

702
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, and that's probably a good place for him

703
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: to be. He sounds like the guy want for the Jets.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up with a couple of qualege

705
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Speaker 1: football questions. So, Bruce, this is the strangest here in

706
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Speaker 1: college football. I've been slow to get into it, with

707
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten just getting started last weekend, UM games

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Speaker 1: getting canceled. Obviously, I think I don't know if it

709
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: was you that broke the news, but I saw Wisconsin

710
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: is not playing this weekend after Wisconsin's huge win last weekend.

711
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Speaker 1: I don't know. How would you sum up the season

712
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: so far? Disjointed, disjointed, bizarre. Um A college coach and

713
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: I remember who told me this back in August said

714
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: there's a big difference between back and back to normal.

715
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Speaker 1: And that was very profound where I thought of it.

716
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: You know, Look, I mean I loved when the NBA

717
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: came back. I was riveted by those games and those matchups.

718
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Speaker 1: Loved seeing the NFL come back and the games, and

719
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: certainly with baseball, we've said the World Series. I think

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Speaker 1: college is a harder. It's gonna be a bump your

721
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Speaker 1: path because it's it's not professional athletes, it's a hundred

722
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Speaker 1: person rosters and they're doing things. It's just very very disjointed,

723
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Speaker 1: and now we're seeing it with Wisconsin. Everybody has like

724
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of different protocols and hopefully it can stay on track.

725
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're also going into the winter, and you know,

726
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Speaker 1: you look at Wisconsin and you know, you hope that

727
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: the twelve members of the program them right now, which

728
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: is includes their starting quarterback Round Merts, but also includes

729
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Paul Chris, the head coach, and I guess six staffers. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, you hope that they're that there, their symptoms

731
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: aren't significant, You hope that they're they're doing well, and

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Speaker 1: you also hope that it doesn't lead to more than

733
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Speaker 1: twelve and then the subsequent next couple of days. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you also know that cases seem to be

735
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: really high in Wisconsin from all reports, and hospitalizations have

736
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Speaker 1: gone up a lot in that state. So I think

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Speaker 1: people have their fingers crossed that this can be controlled better.

738
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Speaker 1: But right now we're in such uncharted charted waters with this.

739
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Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, there's no there's no margin for

740
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Speaker 1: error for the big ten in terms of scheduling. I mean,

741
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: we're other places when they've had a game, it's been

742
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: quote unquote postponed. This is a cancelation because there is

743
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: no open dates coming up. So we'll see where this

744
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: goes from here. Hopefully it's hopefully they can, you know,

745
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: fingers crossed they can keep things on track or get

746
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: things back on track. Is it safe to say we're

747
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: probably headed towards Clemson Alabama? Um, those seem to be

748
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: the two best teams. Obviously, you never want to count

749
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: Ohio State out. UM, but is that your read this

750
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: it's early in the season, still that is my read? Yeah,

751
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Clemson's the most complete team. They're

752
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: really good on both sides of the ball. They got

753
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: better on the defensive line with a bunch of really

754
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: talented freshmen going in. Obviously, they have a great quarterback

755
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: and a great running back and a lot of weapons,

756
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Speaker 1: and I don't think anyone's challenging them in the A

757
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: C C. And Alabama even without jay En Widdle now

758
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: that he's hurt now for the rest of the regular season,

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00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: I think they're they're just really really good. I think

760
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: they're really good on the old line, In addition, um,

761
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: now we got to see their defense gets if they

762
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: can get better. Ohio State's talented. I would put them

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Speaker 1: right there. But if you ask me to pick, I

764
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: would say Alabama, and you know to me, you know

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, we still need to They don't have Chase

766
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: Young and they don't have the boases anymore. So that's

767
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: it's been like a whatever six year stretch where they've

768
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: had a scary defensive linement that other teams have to

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Speaker 1: account for. It's not so they don't have any guys

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Speaker 1: up front, but they just don't have that. Um and

771
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: we got to see if they're run game they I

772
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: think J. K. Dobbins was good, really good running back,

773
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: and they don't have him there either. So, um, I

774
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: still think they're a playoff team. But there's a little

775
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: more skeptic. There's a little more question about them compared

776
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Speaker 1: to the other two. Got you all right, Well let's

777
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: wrap it up there. Bruce Feldman obviously go grab the book,

778
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: flipped the flipped the script about l s U. Men,

779
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: it just sounds riveting listen to you talk about Eddio

780
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: and uh that run Burrow had. But Bruce, thanks a

781
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: lot for the time and obviously will continue to read

782
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: you at the Athletic and watch on Fox and FS

783
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Speaker 1: one and uh, you know, stay safe out there man,

784
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Speaker 1: you too. I appreciate it. Thanks, Jason. The only thing

785
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: better than sitting on your couch watching the game. He's

786
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Speaker 1: making money while you do it. Here's your best bet.

787
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: This tremendous stuff from Bruce Feldman. Really enjoyed that. I

788
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: need Joe Brady coaching the New York Jets next year.

789
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't have a lot of experience, but boy,

790
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: the Jets would use him. Uh yeah, Feldman, I've known

791
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: for a while, great reporter, a great guy, super nice dude.

792
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: And now it's time for the best bet. Here on

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Speaker 1: Straight Fire thirty seven, twenty three and five. Guys, I

794
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: don't think you realize how much of a heater that

795
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: is over six since the podcast started. And this game,

796
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football is a tough one because Carolina and

797
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: Atlanta met the last time in Atlanta and Dan Quinn

798
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: was still the head coach. They were owing four and

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Speaker 1: Atlanta was favored by two and a half. Of what

800
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: happened Carolina one by a touchdown. Um Carolina outplayed them

801
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: six point nine yards for play four hundred thirty seven

802
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: yards of offense Joe Brady and Teddy Bridgewater, and not

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00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: much has changed for the Falcons other than dan Quinn's gone.

804
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: And my big question is how does that team bounce back?

805
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: And that's trying to get into the psychological aspect, which

806
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: is very difficult. Some might say it's a fool's errand um,

807
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: but how does this team bounce back from that? This

808
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: season is over fred Land and we know that they're

809
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, and now they got Julio Jones is

810
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: dinged up the center. Alex mac left the Detroit game

811
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Speaker 1: with an injury. It doesn't appear as if Christian McCaffrey

812
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: will play. I don't think he's worth a full point

813
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: to the spread, but the line is two and a half,

814
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: so Caroline and not getting the full respect at home.

815
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Speaker 1: Now I've given out the Teddy Bridgewater numbers as an underdog.

816
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: He is tremendous covering again last week as a dog.

817
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: I think he's something like twenty one and four as

818
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: an underdog against the spread, but he's favorite here, so

819
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Speaker 1: throw that out the window. The one number that I've

820
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: been able to bet against Bridgewater this year is under pressure.

821
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Speaker 1: If you can overwhelm that mediocre offensive line and get

822
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: Bridgewater rattled, he is not nearly as effective. Zero touchdowns,

823
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Speaker 1: four interceptions under pressure this year tied for the most

824
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Speaker 1: interceptions of any quarterback under pressure. Bridgewater is good with

825
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: a clean pocket. Does Atlanta put pressure on anybody? No?

826
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: And now Tach McKinley hasn't been practicing this week. There's

827
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: rumors they may cut in, they might trade him. Interesting

828
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: note with Carolina, they released cornerback Eli Apple, so he

829
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: was injured. Finally got in the game over the weekend

830
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: against the Saints. Wasn't very good. I mean Panthers dbs

831
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: gave up. I think New Orleans got twelve out of

832
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: fourteen passing on third doubt, Like, that's totally unacceptable. Their

833
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: top cornerback, where Sewell Douglas, was out due to COVID.

834
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: It's unclear if he's back this week. Obviously, that's huge

835
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: with Julio and I'll be honest, guys, the side you

836
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: should be on here is Atlanta. That's what the move is.

837
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Speaker 1: Oh wait, you're giving me the team that was expected

838
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: to bet to do better this season getting two and

839
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: a half points on the road. Why why why would

840
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: I not take it Atlanta? And if you've watched Atlanta,

841
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, one week after another, it's something. It's a

842
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: collapse against the Bears. You know. It is a complete

843
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: and utter failure of Todd Gurley last week to not

844
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: go down. Folks they show I think I saw the

845
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: video or maybe it was just the audio in the

846
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: huddle before Todd Gurley's touchdown against the Lions, Matt Ryan,

847
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: don't score. Everybody, do not go in the end zone,

848
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: go down. Todd Gurley falls into the end zone, Detroit

849
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: comes back down the field scores. Um. I don't love

850
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Speaker 1: this play. It's not nearly a max bet for me.

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Speaker 1: It's basically an action play because basketball has done and

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Speaker 1: baseball has done, and all we've got is football. So

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Speaker 1: I am gonna I'm gonna take Carolina giving two and

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Speaker 1: a half. I don't do it confidently. Um, the defense

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Speaker 1: could not get off the field Sunday. Now they got

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Speaker 1: to go back out and face a potentially explosive UH

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Speaker 1: Falcon's offense. If Julio plays, Calvin Ridley is very good, girly,

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Speaker 1: you know, I can see him bouncing back from that

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Speaker 1: mental error with a buck fifty on the ground here. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Carolina, but again, not a lot of confidence.

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Speaker 1: So I'm taking Carolina at favorite by two and a half.

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Speaker 1: Let's go Teddy Covers, all right, folks. So that does

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Speaker 1: it for Thursday's podcast. Tomorrow is the big one. I'll

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Speaker 1: give out my best bets for the NFL weekend. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for that. We'll talk to you tomorrow.