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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I like talking about skincare Welcome to Off

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Speaker 3: the Cup, my anti anxiety antidote. Today is such a treat,

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Speaker 3: you have friends and colleagues and people you've known for

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of a hack and I'm totally here

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Speaker 3: Today's guest is a colleague and a friend, and I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you there aren't many people in this business who

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Speaker 1: Well, She's one of them.

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Speaker 3: She's c Ann's chief political correspondent, co anchor of State

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Speaker 3: of the Union on Sunday Mornings, anchor of Inside Politics

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Speaker 3: Weekdays at noon, author of the book America's Deadliest Election,

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Speaker 3: The shocking true story of the election that changed American history.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Off the Coup, Dana.

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Speaker 2: Bash Hi sshi, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I love your podcast. I feel so honored to be on.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm thrilled to have you.

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Speaker 3: And you've been warned I may ask you things that

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Speaker 1: Or no, and I tell you things that might embarrass you.

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Speaker 2: No, no holds barred. I'm here for all of it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great.

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Speaker 3: This is so fun for so many reasons, but one

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Speaker 3: of them is that listeners will remember we had your

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Speaker 3: other half, Spencer Garrett on the pod last year, which

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about so much, but first, girl, girl,

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Speaker 3: can we just we just check in. There's so much

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm good. Thank God for streaming.

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Speaker 2: lot of time in reality. That's my escape. Oh reality.

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Speaker 1: everyone hears about you. Yeah. Yeah, world renowned journalist Standa Bastoson.

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Did you ever ask him why? Yeah?

441
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Speaker 3: He Well, he's interested in like these moments in history

442
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: where like it could all go very wrong hmm. And

443
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: the heroes that emerge, the good guys and the bad guys.

444
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 3: He's very concerned with justice, like and that could be

445
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: justice at school, it's mostly just to.

446
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: Set school, okay.

447
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I do the right thing and someone

448
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: else got in trouble. Very obsessed with that. And I

449
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 3: think in these stories of these disasters or you know,

450
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 3: he likes finding like who are the good guys, who

451
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: were the bad guys?

452
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: How many people died?

453
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: Like I was a little nervous about it, and then

454
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Speaker 3: I talked to my therapist. She's like, no, no, he's

455
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: interested in he's interested in history and these big moments.

456
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: And so were you as a kid, and it's you know,

457
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: you were so curious. It's why you became a journalist. Like, actually,

458
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Speaker 3: it's good. And so I made sure to like bring

459
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Speaker 3: him down to the nine to eleven Memorial and like

460
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 3: encourage this, you know interest.

461
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the curiosity that's really really, really key. Joanah,

462
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: My son loves history as well.

463
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

464
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Speaker 2: And also, you know, we have the good fortune of

465
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Speaker 2: being able to travel and he has been really like

466
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Speaker 2: when we go. We've been to you know, France or

467
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: to Spain, and he loves learning about the history there.

468
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Speaker 1: And that's great speary.

469
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: So getting in it it through an experience in addition

470
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Speaker 2: to getting it in a book is really Yeah, it

471
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: was really great.

472
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of I remember this is many years ago

473
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Speaker 3: when I was working in the DC Bureau with you

474
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 3: and you were telling me how obsessed Jonah was with Hamilton.

475
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, obsessed.

476
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I feel like all kids were.

477
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: It was so interesting.

478
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: I mean, here was Jack was, well he was too young,

479
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 3: he was, he was, But but even did he.

480
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: Become interested older? No, No, because he missed the window.

481
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: Maybe.

482
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: But I remember, like Jonah was young, and I remember

483
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Speaker 3: being impressed.

484
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: He was obsessed.

485
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: We went to see it. So I was twenty sixteen,

486
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: he was four. Yeah, and and he knew every word.

487
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: You said that, and I couldn't believe it. He loved it. Yeah,

488
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 1: loved it, loved it, loved it.

489
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's an experiencing, Yeah, exactly, it's an experience.

490
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

491
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that reaches some kids and not others.

492
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Speaker 2: But I mean that's what got him interested in history. Actually,

493
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: now that you say that, I think that probably did

494
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Speaker 2: get him interested in history. Well great, it's such a

495
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: gay way, which is true for people kids across the world.

496
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and adults. I mean absolutely.

497
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

498
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Speaker 3: Who were some of your early mentors in this business?

499
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: Did you have any? I feel like some people feel

500
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 3: like pressured to be like identify mentors and maybe they

501
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: didn't have any that were really important to them.

502
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Speaker 1: But did you have mentors that matter? Yeah? I did.

503
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean I when I first started at CNN, I well,

504
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: first of all, I've been at CNN. What is it

505
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six? I started in ninety three, so how

506
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 2: that's thirty three years. Holy moly, wow, I know crazy

507
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: town right. Yeah. So but when I started, I was freelancing,

508
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: and then I was in the tape library, which doesn't

509
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: exist because there's no tape so there's no library. Yeah,

510
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: and then I worked on the weekend interview shows, and

511
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: I got to work with really seasoned, uh people with

512
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: unbelievable experiences. You do you remember Evans and Novak? No?

513
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so.

514
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: Roland Evans and Robert Novak.

515
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: Were a co Bob Novak.

516
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they were a team, Evans and Novak,

517
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, they and they well, so they

518
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: had been covering Washington for I don't know, probably since

519
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: definitely since JFK and probably Eisenhower honestly, and like we

520
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: called him rolling. Roland Evans used to live he lived

521
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 2: in George Dunn and back when JFK was a senator,

522
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: who used to pal around with him.

523
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Speaker 1: I mean, who knows the kind of stuff that went

524
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Speaker 1: on back then.

525
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: But I mean, but so on that note, I used

526
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: to be able to listen into his like I used

527
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: to in show meetings because so there was a program

528
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: called Evans and Novac and I was a producer on

529
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: it eventually, and being in meetings and just sitting there

530
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: with them and you know, kind of veering off from

531
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: the questions that they were going to ask whatever newsmaker

532
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: we were going to have, and listening to them sort

533
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: of walk down memory lane and talk about I mean,

534
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 2: Bob Novac, I mean, he had they both covered Johnson

535
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: and the story and Nixon and Reagan, I mean, and

536
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: the experiences that they had, just trying to sort of

537
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: soak it all.

538
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: In and take it all in.

539
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean they were definitely from a different

540
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: generation era, an era and era.

541
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Speaker 1: So that was, I mean, what an experience.

542
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Speaker 2: And I do feel like I picked up a little bit,

543
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: maybe a lot of how to ask questions from them

544
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: from Frank says Noo, who was bureau chief here at

545
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: CNN in Washington, but before that he was a White

546
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: House correspondent and he was an anchor of one of

547
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: the Sunday shows which I was a producer on back then.

548
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: Learned so much from him. Charles Bierbauer, who just passed away,

549
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: was also you know lovely, and you know what, I

550
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: was the proudly I can tell you I was the

551
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: first person to roll teleprompter for Wolf Blitzer when he

552
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: was WOW an anchor for the first time. So I learned,

553
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: you know, a lot, from a lot of them. Judy

554
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: Woodruff was here at CNN when I started and just

555
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: watching her and I learning from her and being I

556
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: remember calling her when I got the offer to go

557
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: from at this point, I was a hill producer, which

558
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: is basically an off air reporter. To go from there

559
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: to being the number three that were three reporters at

560
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: the White House, the you know, most entry level, junior

561
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: level correspondent at the White House, which would have been

562
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: my first and ended up being my first on air job,

563
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: and I was scared shitless, and I remember.

564
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: Calling her saying like, do I do this? Should I

565
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: do this?

566
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: And she said, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to do it,

567
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: and if it doesn't work out, you're a great producer

568
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: and you can go back to producing. Yeah, okay, I'm

569
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: going to do this and still not sure. That was

570
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: great advice when I did it, and here I am

571
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: twenty years later.

572
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing.

573
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Speaker 3: I mean, you learned from some of the greats. I

574
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: remember you remind me I worked at MSNBC for one

575
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: year and I had like a panel show there, but

576
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: it was just as Chris Matthews was sort of finishing

577
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Speaker 3: his tenure there.

578
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: And Chris is problematic for some reasons that.

579
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Speaker 3: People know, but he was always great at telling stories

580
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: and he would tell you didn't have to ask.

581
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Speaker 1: I mean, just be right there.

582
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Speaker 3: Go down and point Neil Nix and the whole deal,

583
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Speaker 3: and you would just absorb it because this is a

584
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Speaker 3: you know, one of the last news men, right, yeah,

585
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: who just was there for all of it, which is

586
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: an education.

587
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: But I you know, I lived briefly in d c uh.

588
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: CNN brought me down there for the Crossfire reboot that

589
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: that didn't last, and we lived in an old town

590
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: Virginia I had.

591
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Speaker 2: I loved I just want to say I loved you

592
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: on that show.

593
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: I loved you.

594
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: You and Stephanie Cutter and Van and Newt and and

595
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: that and that guy who was speaker that you wrote

596
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: the contract with America.

597
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: What was his name again? Yeap new Cambridge. Right. That's

598
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: a great group. What a weird uh group of people?

599
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: Uh?

600
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Speaker 3: And I mean that affectionately because I love all of it. Like,

601
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: you know, I loved working with all of them. Some

602
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: probably weren't right for that show, but like, but it

603
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: was really it was really fun. And I remember when

604
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: I got that job, I hadn't met Van, but my

605
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: husband and I asked him to dinner because you know,

606
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Speaker 3: he didn't live in d C.

607
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: And uh, I just wanted to get to.

608
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Speaker 3: Know him before we were going to do this show

609
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: together where we're going to argue one air. And I

610
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: had just come from a panel show at MSNBC, and

611
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: I had been on a bunch of others on Fox

612
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: and elsewhere, and so I said to him, Van's here's

613
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: my rule that I've learned over doing panels.

614
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: It's a rule for me, but it might help you too,

615
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: I said.

616
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: The audience wants to know that mom and dad aren't

617
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: getting divorced. Mom and dad can fight, mom and dad

618
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: can have disagreements, but at the end of the day,

619
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Speaker 3: they're really uncomfortable.

620
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Speaker 1: If they think mom and dad are, they might get divorced.

621
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Speaker 3: And it really I think helped us set the stage

622
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Speaker 3: for a great working relationship and then eventually a friendship.

623
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Speaker 1: And he and I are really good friends the best

624
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Speaker 1: to this day.

625
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Speaker 2: But like it was a great, absolute best and I

626
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: love that he's also like the perfect person to pick

627
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: that up and to get it right away because I

628
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: got it right away. He doesn't like that's his that's

629
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Speaker 2: his natural, that's.

630
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Speaker 3: Where he wanted to be. He just didn't know he

631
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: was a llowed place. Yeah, exactly, and that I wanted

632
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: him to be there too.

633
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 1: I want you there too.

634
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: So what I'm taking for this is that you are

635
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 2: Van Jones mentor.

636
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: Yes, well listen to me, I am, you know, like

637
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: I've been doing TV longer than he had, but but

638
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: he has also been my mentor in so many in

639
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: so many other areas. But I lived in DC for

640
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: a little bit. We lived in Old Town, which was great.

641
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: I had just had Jack and I loved like strollering

642
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: him down the Potomac every morning. It was really idyllic,

643
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: all the free museums monuments like it was great. But

644
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: there were things I didn't like about living in DC.

645
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: And you've lived there a long time, long time? What

646
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: are some things people don't know about living in DC?

647
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Speaker 1: You know what?

648
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: It's actually it's actually a nice place to raise your kids.

649
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: And the reason is because as much as this is

650
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Speaker 2: a company town.

651
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

652
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: Politics, Yeah, there are lots of lots of civil millions

653
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: as I call them, people who are not in politics,

654
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: or at least are in politics adjacent who are nice.

655
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Speaker 2: As much as you would imagine it being extremely transactional,

656
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: which in some ways it can be some quarters it

657
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: absolutely can be. It is also a place where I

658
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: have met and made such amazing friends just pre kid posts,

659
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: you know, through my son and his friend's parents and

660
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Speaker 2: especially girlfriends.

661
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Speaker 1: Oh, because I do.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine that people would look at d C,

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Speaker 2: particularly for women, that it would be a hard place

664
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Speaker 2: for women to support women. But my experience is that

665
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: it is the opposite, that it is very nice. Like

666
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: I have a lot of really fantastic women friends who

667
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Speaker 2: even and especially those who are not civili who are

668
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Speaker 2: in our business, and we really support each other. We're

669
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: really there. There's such a sisterhood women who are here

670
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Speaker 2: at CNN, women who are outside of CNN, people who

671
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: are genuine competitors.

672
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: But you know, there.

673
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: Are just moments where I mean, you have this too,

674
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Speaker 2: We're like, there's just it's hard for people who are

675
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: not in our world to understand our world, and there's

676
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: just a connection and an unspoken thing when like you know,

677
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: shit goes bad, sometimes stuff goes well also, but also

678
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: go sideways. And to have that support, which I feel

679
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: like I have and I've been a part of, you know,

680
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: groups that help others is huge.

681
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: It is absolutely huge.

682
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Speaker 2: So that exists, it's not I mean, yes, some of

683
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: those women are not just in Washington, but most of

684
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Speaker 2: them are here.

685
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Speaker 1: Well, here's what I have to say about that.

686
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: What you have a skeptical look on your face.

687
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised you've found those women because you are

688
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: that woman. You are a woman that supports women, and

689
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: you've been so I would say unsubtle about it, like

690
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: I'll just speak from my experience, but I've also watched

691
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: you with other women in our business. But in my experience,

692
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 3: you know, I came to CNN, and I think I

693
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: said this to Spencer, But like I came to CNN,

694
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: I wasn't nobody like I. You know, I was established

695
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 3: and I had done CNN a lot before I got

696
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 3: a contract there, but I was new to CNN Washington

697
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: and for you and Gloria and Candy at the time,

698
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: this trifecta of really really impressive women who were sort

699
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: of the face of the network to like, no questions,

700
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: treat me like I belonged there. I like you respected me.

701
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: It was just everything, because it's set a tone for

702
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: everyone else.

703
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: If you had.

704
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: Decided I don't know who this chick is and I

705
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: don't respect her and I'm not going to take her

706
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: seriously and i don't want to have her on, but

707
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: that would have trickled down. But you guys did that,

708
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: and I think that's just who you are, and so

709
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised because women who are like that find

710
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 3: other women like that and really like repel other women

711
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: who are not supportive of other women like you can

712
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: just kill time for.

713
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Speaker 2: People, right, you know, Oh that's nice, it's funny. I mean,

714
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: I don't I I mean I remember you coming here

715
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: and how talented you are. But I'm glad that you

716
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: felt welcome, I mean completely, and you are good completely,

717
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: And you know that was not lost on me, because

718
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: that's not always the case.

719
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Speaker 3: There's like a socialite scene in DC, isn't there.

720
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Speaker 1: Oh, big time?

721
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this surprises people because people think social like

722
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: New York upon Beach or Newport. Definitely, there is a

723
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: socialite scene in DC, and it is robust.

724
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: No question. What can you tell us?

725
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: I'm not super I'm tangentially aware of that scene. Yes, right, OK,

726
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: because I have friends who are in that scene and

727
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: they tell me about the scene, but I I'm not.

728
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: But it's you're right, it is real. And some of

729
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: it is like entrenched Washington people who have family who

730
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: have been here for generations. Right. And then you know

731
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: those who come in and out as part of an

732
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: administration or as part of being elected on Capitol Hill.

733
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: But it's more about they're like blue blood Washingtonians. Yes,

734
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: because you do think of it as transient and as

735
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: I mentioned, those become part of the social scene, but

736
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: it's when they are invited by those who have been

737
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: here forever. And uh and I find it super fascinating.

738
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: Me too, Yeah, me too.

739
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 3: Like my husband worked on the hill for a long

740
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: for twenty years, and he like lived in a studio

741
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 3: apartment with a roommate in like Ben Bradley's like Georgetown

742
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: townhouse or whatever.

743
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Like, oh that's cool. Yeah, it was cool.

744
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, that that is there and those historic like

745
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: power players and old money that is there, and then

746
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 3: the new money comes in and they're kind of looking

747
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: to latch onto, like where's the proximity to power?

748
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: And how do I navigate this?

749
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: And it's almost like, I mean, it's a real breaking

750
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: into DC society looks very hard.

751
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah I haven't tried so, but I of course sure,

752
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: but of course you haven't, but like, but maybe I should.

753
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: Maybe that should be like my next endeavor, although now

754
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: that I've said it out loud, I won't be allowed in.

755
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: Do you ever get sick of living in such a

756
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: political town.

757
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: Or sometimes you know, it's nice to it's nice to

758
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: get away every now and then. But I do feel

759
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 2: like because I have the friends I talked about who

760
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: are kind of in the business and who are peers,

761
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: and and there are.

762
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: People who I can go to.

763
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends who are totally not

764
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: in the business, who are just like normies. Yeah, and

765
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: that really helps. It helps a lot because we don't

766
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: we don't talk about anything political, and I have.

767
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Speaker 1: I have some of those too, And there are such

768
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: a lifelines. And I have one.

769
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Speaker 3: I have a girlfriend that I met in high school

770
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: and we're really close. She doesn't care about politics, which

771
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: is great, and she's not on social media.

772
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: So I have one of them call each other, what.

773
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Speaker 3: Like maybe once a month, and I have to physically

774
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: tell her what I've been up to because she hasn't

775
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: seen it all on Instagram, right, which and vice versa,

776
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: which is fantastic, right but so rare.

777
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: Cool, I know, rare.

778
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I do feel like I'm grounded in that. Yeah,

779
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: I mean I'm very close with family and and uh yeah, yeah.

780
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: Here's a question. Mm hmm.

781
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 3: If you lost your job tomorrow and no one wants

782
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 3: that for you, Okay, but what would you do? I'm

783
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 3: sure you thought about it, because there's very little job

784
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: security these days for anyone. Would you would you like

785
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: go to sub stock? Would you like try to find

786
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 3: another another network job? Would you move to France and

787
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: like run a winery? What would you do?

788
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: Okay, do you want my I'm going to give you

789
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: two answers. I'm going to give you my aspirational answer

790
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: and a real answer. My aspirational answer is Dana's doggy daycare.

791
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: Say more.

792
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I would be very good at having

793
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: people's dogs at my house and taking care of them

794
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: while they're at work.

795
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: I think that's something I would be good at.

796
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: I have a yard that has a fence and I

797
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: am a crazy dog lady, and I think that's something

798
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: that I would enjoy, because.

799
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: Right, don't you think that would be fun?

800
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: You're laughing so hard because that's so not what you

801
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna say.

802
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you.

803
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: Could do that, You could do that, actually, yes, of course, Yeah,

804
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: I love that.

805
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: Seems hard, okay, it seems fun, but it seems hard.

806
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: Harder than like moderating a presidential debate.

807
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: You know, maybe not that hard, A different kind of hard,

808
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: a different kind of hard. Dan is doggie daycare?

809
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Well, I love that for you and your friend's dogs.

810
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: I'm putting it out there now so people, if you

811
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: see that I'm no longer at c an N and

812
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: you have a dog, you call me great, okay, okay, okay,

813
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: then that's your aspirational one. That's my aspirational job.

814
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. What's the reason. Then what's the non aspiration?

815
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

816
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't I guess maybe I don't know.

817
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: I don't know that I would be good at that

818
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: at the sub sub stack thing.

819
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah I might be, But I.

820
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: Really like talking to people and learning from people of

821
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: all different walks of life. So I feel like it

822
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: would be something along those lines, whether it's like, you know,

823
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: a video podcast like you have, or or or some

824
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: other way. If you want to know my dream job, Yes,

825
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't say this, go ahead, I don't know, Bridget,

826
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: should I say this?

827
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: Okay? All right, I say, can you tell me? No?

828
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: Okay, it's totally legal. My dream job is a CBS

829
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: Sunday Morning kind of program. Oh yeah, where I can

830
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: just like spend some time with somebody, write a kick

831
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: ass piece.

832
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: Like a Charles osgood. Yeah. I would love that.

833
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like really spend time with I mean I love

834
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: like I've done versions of that at CNN, like the

835
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: being Barry Manilow, being Billy Jean King being you know,

836
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: a couple of politicians too.

837
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: I love that.

838
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: I love digging in and spending time with somebody. And

839
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: I really like to write, and I'd like to not

840
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 2: just write text, but i'd like to write for video.

841
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 2: I guess you don't need to see TV anymore, and

842
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: you know, to create that and that is that kind

843
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: of thing brings it all together.

844
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: You'd be great at that because you are good at that.

845
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: Uh Okay, Danis Doggie daycare is definitely put.

846
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: It out there, man, speak it into existence.

847
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to end by doing the lightning round

848
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: as we always do.

849
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: Okay, DC or New Jersey. I mean you can only

850
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 1: say New Jersey. It's New Jersey. Yeah, New Jersey. Yeah.

851
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing that Spencer has acted in? Oh?

852
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: Gosh, I loved him in as Chick Hern in Winning Time.

853
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: He was so funny.

854
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: I didn't love the way he looked because he wore

855
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: all the prosthetics. Yeah, but you know that's what he does.

856
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: He does dress up and play acting. And he was

857
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: so good in that.

858
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: He's so good.

859
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: We saw him in a thing, well, you were in it,

860
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: so I saw it. You were in it in the Hampton's.

861
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: Oh how great was he in that?

862
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 4: Well?

863
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: You were being so great. But that was the coolest,

864
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: maybe the coolest thing I've ever done.

865
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: Okay, that was the scariest thing I've ever done. But

866
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: we're talking about him right now. No, but I bet

867
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: I the whole place was cracking up, was Jesus?

868
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: Jesus? Remember that? Yes? Totally.

869
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: I was sitting very He's very funny.

870
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: He's very funny.

871
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: So for people who don't know Spencer and Mark Rough

872
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: and Robert Downey Jr. And Julianne Moore and Gwyneth Paltrow

873
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: and our own Dana bash Uh did a reading, a

874
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 3: live reading on stage of All the President's Men, which

875
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: was followed by a moderated conversation with Woodward and Bernstein.

876
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: Okay, like, it doesn't get much cooler than that. It

877
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. I sat with Wolf So that was scary,

878
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: by the way.

879
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: As I said there, that was much scarier than moderating

880
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: a presidential debate.

881
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: Like much, because it's out of your comfort zone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had a scene with Robert Downy Jr.

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Speaker 2: Like what I remember, by the way, excellent was he

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00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: was so nice. He was so really really nice, and

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Speaker 2: he gracious and made me feel like I wasn't going

886
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: to throw up.

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Speaker 1: It was an incredible room. Yeah, but Spencer was so

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00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: funny in that. He was so funny. But so are you.

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00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: You were great. You were funny too. You got laughs, girl,

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00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: you got laughs. Yeah.

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00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: Well I think they were laughing at me. But that's okay,

892
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: I'll take it. I'll take it.

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Speaker 3: No, what's your favorite movie about journalism or the news?

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00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean All the President's Ment that's a good one.

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Speaker 2: All the President's meant okay, and you want to know

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00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: my sappy one. Yeah, up close and personal. It's fantastic.

897
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the Celine Dion, Robert Redford, It's and fantastic.

898
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: I love that. You love that movie.

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00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've seen it.

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00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: A fake it make it Tally Sally Tally Yep, yep.

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00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: Who just wants to make it?

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00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: But she goes down to Miami to like in this

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00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: mid market TV station where she's scared to death. She

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00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 3: doesn't know anything, and she earns her chops and she's

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00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: got all these vultures around her, and oh my god,

906
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: it's so good.

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00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: And then she meets Robert Redford. Yes, I mean to

908
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: watch Robert Redford and Michelle Pfeiffer like stop, sign me up.

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00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: I know, but damn mean me really sad. I don't

910
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: want to spoil I don't want to spoil it. In

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Speaker 2: case it's not watch it. It's not a hap, not

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00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: so much. No, but it's great. That's a great one.

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Speaker 2: I mean my favorite broadcast news.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, you say it? Here it goes documentary?

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Speaker 2: Are you Holly Hunter and a cap I mean well yes,

916
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: because I'm neurotic.

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00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we all are sure.

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Speaker 3: Uh, but also yeah, like but her also her like

919
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: self righteousness about the news, Like I have that too,

920
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: and it's really annoying.

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Speaker 1: It's like annoying to other people.

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00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: Oh I see, no, it is it is, but but

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Speaker 3: I have that too, And and like everyone else is like.

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00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: The William Hurt like what's the big deal? What's the

925
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: big deal? The one's the big deal. It's a great

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Speaker 1: movie in a biopic. Who would play you? Oh?

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Speaker 2: My gosh, uh Kristin Scott Thomas.

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00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: Well, I love her, I know, and actually have you

929
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: even told you look like her?

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00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: One? That's the reason why I don't know why that

931
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: just came into my brain.

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00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that.

933
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: We've just both had like big eyes.

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Speaker 3: But I've never thought of that. And now, just as

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Speaker 3: you said, I can totally see that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who would play you? I don't know? You

937
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: know who? People tell me I look like who Linda

938
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Speaker 1: Carter wonder woman?

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00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: Oh yes, like it's the only thing I've.

940
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Speaker 1: Ever heard heard all the time.

941
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: Yes, because you've got the dark hair and the big

942
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: blue eyes. And when you turn really fast, did your

943
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 2: costume change?

944
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

945
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: And my yeah, yeah, yeah, what's the best Smithsonian.

946
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: Is the portrait Gallery the Smithsonian. Yeses right, portrait gallery. Yeah,

947
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: portrait gallery.

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00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: Why did I ask? Of course it is. Yes, it's beautiful.

949
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: But I love sup Portrick Gallery. Great collection.

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00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: Okay, this is the last question. We ask it at

951
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: the end of every podcast. It's very important to me. Okay,

952
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: when is it iced coffee season?

953
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: I don't drink coffee? Okay, said the layman thing. What's

954
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: the wrong answer?

955
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Speaker 2: Can I can I just pretend to know the answer?

956
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

957
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: How about iced tea? Can I change the icy?

958
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: Oh that's not the question, but sure, Okay, all right.

959
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: I would say, like ice coffee season probably should start

960
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: here in Washington in April.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's an answer, Dana. It's not the right answer.

962
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Speaker 1: But what do you think it is? Well, it's year round.

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00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: The answer is you're year round. Okay, it's all the time.

964
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Speaker 2: That was I totally flubbed that whole question. And now

965
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: you're honest. I don't I don't know. I don't drink coffee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got you, Dana Bash, Thank you so much.

967
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Speaker 3: This was such a fun combo.

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Speaker 1: She in my s E cup. I love it. Thank

969
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: you for having me. This is so much fun.

970
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: Also, we didn't plan this people who are watching, we're

971
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Speaker 2: wearing the same thing.

972
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just We're just alike. I love it because

973
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Speaker 3: we're gals in the news. There you go, all right,

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Speaker 3: I'll see you.

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Speaker 2: Bye, Sie, thank you, thank you so much fun.

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