1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is David Denman and I played Roy 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Anderson on the Office. Well, hello friends, welcome once again 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: to another episode of the Office Deep Dive. I am 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: your host, Brian baum Gartner, and today I am so 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: excited about this our guest today, as you know, played well, 6 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: i'd call him iconic. An iconic character on the Office. 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: He dated everyone's favorite receptionist, he vandalized a bar, and 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: he threw some punches, or he would have if not 9 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: for Dwight's pepper spray. If you catch my meaning, you 10 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: know I am bringing on the incredible David Denman today, 11 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: a k a. Roy Anderson. Now David currently is on 12 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows, HBO's Mayor of East Town, 13 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: but before that, he spent many years playing an ordinary 14 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: guy just working in a warehouse. He really has a 15 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: unique perspective on the Office right because his character was 16 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: on and off the show for all nine years, and 17 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: he went through quite a journey during that time. Today 18 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that, as well as Roy's 19 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: standout moments, his wedding, the Booze Crews, and much much more. 20 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: We're also going to bring up some big questions for David. 21 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: Was Roy a sympathetic character. Do we think he cheated 22 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: on Pam? And most importantly, what was in his trash 23 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: bag from the pilot. It's a good question, right, So 24 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: join me today in welcoming half of Pam and Roy, 25 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: or boy as no one has called them ever, David 26 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: Denman Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and Squeak 27 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: on Bubble and Squeaker Cookie every month lift over from 28 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: the night before, David, what's happening? Brother? What is going on? 29 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's been so long. How are you. 30 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm good, I know it was weird. Just trying to 31 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: figure out last time I saw you I think was 32 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: at your wedding when I don't remember when that was. Gosh, 33 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: that is just so, that's just disgustingly too long. It's 34 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: all right, Oh my god. All right, well we are. 35 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: We're going to get in to a lot, but I 36 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: want to start back at the beginning. You're from California. 37 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: You end up getting accepted and go to Juilliard, which 38 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: basically what that means to me is you knew what 39 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: you wanted to do pretty early. Is that true? Yeah? No, 40 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to be an actress. Since I 41 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: was a kid. I remember I went and saw that 42 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: movie The Black Stallion when I was a kid, and 43 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: I must have been six when it came out, I think, 44 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: and my dad took me. I never forget it, and 45 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: I remember going, I want to be that kid, and 46 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: it was the ongoing joke in the family, like, David, 47 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: You're not going to be a jockey. It's just not 48 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: gonna happen. And then uh, shortly after that ET came 49 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: out and I was like, I want to do what 50 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: that guy's doing, and uh, my family was just like, what, 51 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: we have no idea what to do with you? And 52 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: so yeah, I knew from a young age all these 53 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: pictures of me dressing up in costumes, running around and 54 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, pretend me too. Did you have any family connection, 55 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, being from California, did you have any family 56 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: connection to the business or anything. No, nothing at all. 57 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: You know, my dad was a draftsman and my mom 58 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm um worked like as a receptionists. Basically, I had 59 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: no connection whatsoever. I actually didn't even hear of Juilliard 60 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: until I was in high school. And I remember there 61 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: was a kid named Michael, his adorf, and he was 62 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: like a real actor because I grew up in Orange County, 63 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: which is about an hour from l A. And he 64 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 1: would go up and do commercials and do bit parts 65 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: and movies and stuff, and so, you know, I was like, oh, wow, 66 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: you're really doing it and uh. And he was like, well, 67 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to IM. I'm gonna apply and try 68 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: to go to Juilliard. And I said, what is that. Okay, 69 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: so it's an acting school and I was like, there's 70 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: schools for acting. I mean, it was that naive. He 71 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: was like yeah, dude, Robin Williams, Kevin Klein. I was like, 72 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: what they went there? He was like yeah. I was 73 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: like blown away. And then I went because I was 74 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: a terrible student and I knew I wasn't going to 75 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: go to college. None of my family had gone to college. 76 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: And then I you know, went down the rabbit hole 77 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: of like, wait a minute, I can go to school 78 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: for acting. And so a friend of mine went to 79 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: the American Conservatory Theater. They had a summer training congress 80 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: the summer before my senior year. He was a year 81 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: ahead of me, a guy named Craig Brewer, who went 82 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: on to be a writer director of Hustle and Flow 83 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: and Black Snake Moan and Dolomite is my name another one. Anyway, 84 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: he's been very successful. But he was an actor when 85 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: we were in school, and he went and I was like, 86 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there. So my whole senior year was 87 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: all about going to a CT summer program. And then 88 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: once I did that, I wanted to go to the 89 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: you know, the grad program, but they wouldn't let you 90 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: in and for two years you had to have two 91 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: years of college. So I went to junior college for 92 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: two years, and I was like, I'm gonna do as 93 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: many plays as I can do here, and I'll do, 94 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, take some classes and and then I'll apply 95 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: for a c T. And then I figured, well, from 96 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: applying there, I might as well apply to all these 97 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: other schools that I want to go to. And Juliard 98 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: was at the top of the list, and an n 99 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: y U and Harvard had a program, and so I 100 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: went up an audition for Juilliard and Harvard the same 101 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: weekend they did it like in San Francisco, and then 102 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: that monday I got a call from Juilliard saying, hey, 103 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: we'd like to offer you a spot. And that was 104 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: like my top choice. So I was like, what, yeah, 105 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: of course, so I didn't even do the other auditions 106 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: and that's awesome. AGA end up getting getting into the 107 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: Harvard program as well, and I was like, thanks guys, 108 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm gonna go here and stand there like 109 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: good for you. Have fun. That's incredible. So you moved 110 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: to New York? I did. Yeah, I moved to New 111 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: York and yeah, I had no idea when I was 112 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: getting into I mean, like I said, no one in 113 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: my family went to college, so my idea of college 114 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: was Dead Poets Society. I was like, I didn't know 115 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: what New York City was like or what a campus 116 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: was going to be like. And I walked into Lincoln 117 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: Center and I'm like, oh, this is interesting. I mean, 118 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: this is all before the Internet or you could just 119 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: look everything up. This is like, here's a pamphlet, here's 120 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: a couple of pictures of what are the inside of 121 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: our school? Looks like like, you have no idea. It 122 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: was definitely not Dead Poets Society. There was no beat 123 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: of what was that Princeton I think they shot that 124 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, beautiful campus. Right At this point, were 125 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: you interested in film and television? I mean you referenced 126 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: your friend who was going and doing commercials and stuff 127 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: or or for you was it was it theater? You know? 128 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: It was theater? Was was everything? I mean, I kind 129 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: of like. I remember when I was in junior college 130 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: and having a conversation with a buddy of mine, this 131 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: guy Todd Kolesack, who we were doing Rosenkrantz and Guildensterner Dead, 132 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I just want to do 133 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: theater and something. He's like, what are you talking about, dude, 134 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: why don't you go try to do film and TV? 135 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't know. And I remember 136 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: one of my teachers, I was like reading this play 137 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: and he was like what do you What are you reading? 138 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, this new play just came out 139 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: of New York And he goes, Okay, you need to 140 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: read more books. I go, what do you mean? He goes, 141 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: why are you reading a play that somebody else already did? 142 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: Why don't you read a book so you can do 143 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: the the original version of it, you know, and some 144 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: movie or something. And I was like, wow, I think 145 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: he's people have a lot more faith in me than 146 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: I have in myself. And and and those those conversations 147 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: did start sparking like, well, maybe I'll go and give 148 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: it a shot. And and then I went to New York. 149 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: I went to school, which was a grind, and I 150 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: saw all these really talented people come out and just 151 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: get beat up. And I went and did a summer 152 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: Shakespeare festival in Utah, and there was a guy who 153 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: had come out of another grad program a few years 154 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: before us, and he had spent I don't know five 155 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: ten years out of grad school doing theater and he 156 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: was just then going to go to l A and 157 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: try to break in. And he was so impassionate about it. 158 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: He was like, don't wait, don't wait, I go what 159 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: he goes. There's one time when you come out of 160 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: school where they're all interested in you. I wish I 161 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: would have capitalized on it when I had the shot, 162 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: and I didn't. And now I'm starting from the ground 163 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: up again, and it's it's going to be brutal. And 164 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: if you get out of school and there's interest, get 165 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: on a plane and go to l A. And so 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: that was like the summer before my senior year. And 167 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: so my buddy who would who was also at Utah, 168 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: who was at graduating from Yale School of Drama. He 169 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: had already done the New York thing before he went 170 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: to before he went to um Yale, and so he 171 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to l A. We should go together. 172 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're crazy, what are you? What are 173 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: you talking about? And I had family, you know, in 174 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: Orange County, so it wasn't like that crazy to do. 175 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: But I just thought I would at least spend a 176 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: year in New York and like capitalize on all those 177 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: theater connections and trying to do some regional theater. And 178 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: and then I did one play right when I graduated, 179 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and like Shakespeare by the Sea, I think it was 180 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: Shakespeare was on the sound. I don't even know. It's 181 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: something real Wheaton, Connecticut. We did so many of these 182 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: same summer things, by the way, that's actually which we've 183 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: never talked about. But anyway, you did one show. I 184 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: did one show. I was making like two d and 185 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: fifty bucks a week. I couldn't even pay my rent. 186 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: It was like that was good. I was good. I 187 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: was like us so excited to get that job finally, 188 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is terrible. This is not 189 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: gonna this is not gonna work, and so I remember July, 190 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: my buddy I was like, hey, I got to go 191 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: to this wedding up in Oregon. You want to take 192 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: a road trip. And I hadn't been home and over 193 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: a year, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna 194 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: come back and let's take that road trip. So I 195 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: came back. Luckily I had an agent that had a 196 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: West Coast office. Come to find out afterwards that that 197 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything that she had. She had a meeting 198 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: with me and was like, hey, yeah, if you ever 199 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: feel like coming out to l A, just let me know. 200 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: She was like the owner of the company. And I 201 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, no, seriously, I'm I'm I'm probably gonna 202 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: do that. She was like okay, but she she told 203 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: me later that she was like, you know what, we 204 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: just say that to everybody when we're signing them, but 205 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: like we work as two separate offices, Like if you 206 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: didn't get anything, I would have sent you back and 207 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: really like, well, that's just such a lie. She's like, well, 208 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna do again? This is 209 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: like before digital and not only tax but even email. 210 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean this is like right when email is started. Man, 211 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: I had a page that exactly. I'd get a pager 212 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: to say, hey, you got an audition, called the page 213 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: your number back and be like, what is it? And 214 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: then I had to go to the office to print 215 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: out the sides and print out the appointment sheet. But anyway, 216 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: I long story short, I came in and I booked 217 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: my first audition, which was for e Er and at 218 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: the time that was like the number one show on TV. 219 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: And my agent was like, you should consider staying and uh, 220 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: and I said, all right, my buddy was already here 221 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: and he wanted to stay. He was like, let's get 222 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: an apartment. So we got an apartment and I never 223 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: went back. I mean I went back, god twenty years 224 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: later to work, but never, you know, to go live. 225 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: You were l a based based immediately. Yeah, within a 226 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: couple of months of graduating from school. So and then 227 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: so you get this role on the Er and so 228 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: things were just really easy from then on out right. 229 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: I mean you just just you just exactly, It's just 230 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: you never stopped working. No, it was. It was a 231 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: good first year and then a good second year. I 232 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: got that movie The Replacements about a year after I graduated, 233 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: and that was the one that was the big shocker 234 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: when I'm doing that movie and it's a you know, 235 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: one of those big studio films, and you think this 236 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: is the life. This is I'm just gonna leave this 237 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: set and I'm gonna go to the next one and 238 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: then the next one, and I'm on my way. And 239 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: then I didn't work for a year, and I was like, 240 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: oh no, this is this is not gonna this is 241 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: really gonna be tough. But you know, you get little 242 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: gigs here and there, a couple of little guest stars 243 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: on TV shows and you know, a voice over a 244 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: commercial that you know, you know, it's just like you 245 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: someone told me a long time ago. You're like juggling, 246 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, all these different aspects of your career, and uh, 247 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: you gotta have all of them going, and because when 248 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: one of them is down, the other one hopefully is up, 249 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: and you just gotta keep juggling him until something happens. 250 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: So I got lucky. Yeah, you know, it was grateful. 251 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: So this British show called The Office comes out with 252 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: Ricky Gervais. Now did you watch the show when it 253 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: first came out? Available? So I had a buddy of 254 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: mine from New York who we did to talk with 255 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: Theater Festival another summer stock. He called me and it 256 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: was like, David, you've got to watch the show. It's 257 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: right up your alley. It's hilarious. And I hear they're 258 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: doing an American version of it. You've got to get 259 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: on it. And I was like, okay, And he never 260 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: does that. He never did that with any he's never 261 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: done a sense so you were done, Okay, I'll just 262 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: get on like, I'll make a call. And I did 263 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: watch it. I was like, oh my god, this is genius. 264 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: And I called my agent immediately and my agent said, 265 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: do you want to do that? And I go what 266 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: I think? Well, they're just looking for like improv comedians, 267 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: and like I could improv a Juilliard what what do 268 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: you talk? Just because I didn't go to UCB or 269 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: whatever doesn't mean I don't I can't do that or 270 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: don't want to do that. And in his defense, at 271 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: that point, that was like the third incarnation of a 272 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: British TV comedy that was somewhat successful that they had 273 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: brought over and they've bombed over and over and over again, 274 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: and so he was just like, here, it's gonna be 275 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: another one of those. And uh, I said, just get 276 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: me an appointment, and at that point they'd already cast 277 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: John and Jenna and all those guys they were and 278 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: so he called me back and he was older. There 279 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: they have the part of Roy. When you want to 280 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: go in for that, it's a guest star, and I said, yeah, yeah, 281 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: get me in. So I went in and gave my 282 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: audition for all those guys, and which people can see 283 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: on the internet. They call back and give me the job. 284 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: So you know, I've I've done a bunch of movies 285 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: at that point, a bunch of TV. But without a doubt, 286 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: that's the thing that everything we just shifted. It's like 287 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: you get on the number one show, even though it 288 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: wasn't number one right away, it took a long time, 289 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: but you get on a show that one was talking 290 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: about and all of a sudden doors opened up and 291 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: opportunities and talk about that big break. But it's like 292 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: I had a lot of breaks along the way to 293 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: get me there, and a lot clear I had more 294 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: breaks afterwards. You know, like you gotta keep getting those brakes. 295 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: They someone's got a smile on you somewhere too, to 296 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: keep it going, because it doesn't doesn't just keep happening. 297 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: You know, had you done much comedy at all, or no, 298 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: I've done comedic movies at all, dramatic television. That was 299 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: the irony the second I did the Office, all of 300 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: a sudden, everybody wanted you to come to comedy and 301 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: I was like, great, I'm happy to do it. And 302 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: then the thing that drove me crazy and I don't 303 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if it happened to YouTube. I'm sure 304 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: it did. I would walk into these auditions and they 305 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: would go, I had just improv it like to do 306 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: in the office, and I would go, no, no, no, no, no, no, 307 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm on the office. So I can tell you for 308 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: a fact, this isn't all improved. There's actually really amazing 309 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: writers that are writing all these jokes and they're throwing 310 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: them at us, and you know what, they're even adding 311 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: more jokes to it when we do another take. This 312 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: isn't all just our genius that made that show work. Hello, guys, like, 313 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm happy to do that for you, But if you 314 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: want me to write your show, that's a different job title. 315 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm happy to perform it, but but it's but don't 316 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: don't say like they do in the office. There was 317 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: improv for sure, but the majority of that was scripting. 318 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: It really well scripted. When you started working on the show, 319 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: so you you had seen the British version, you were 320 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: a fan of that, and we start working on the pilot. 321 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: What were your first impressions, either with working with people 322 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: or on how things went during that pilot shoot, because 323 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: you had way more experienced than me, but more experienced 324 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: than a lot of the folks, right, so how was 325 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: it to you? What were your first impressions? Well, you know, 326 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: I think I only have like that one scene in 327 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: the pilot, right, come in with the trash bag, which 328 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: you don't know what is in that trash bag, whether 329 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: it's human hand or something. It was just for some reason, 330 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: the timing wasn't working. Something was off, and I remember 331 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: Ken Coppas was like, hey, let's take a break and 332 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: we went downstairs, and of course I was panicking and 333 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: what happened? What did I do? You know? And John 334 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: was like, no, man, they're doing this all the time. 335 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: They're like there, We're constantly taking breaks to just clear 336 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: the air and then come back at it. And I 337 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: think a big part of that is because you know, 338 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: we had those of us who had seen the show. 339 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: It's hard not to have that impression, you know. And 340 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: when you start imitating somebody else you know as well 341 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,239 Speaker 1: as I do, you're in trouble because you're never going 342 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: to do it as good as the person who did 343 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: it originally. Um, So you've got to do your own 344 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: thing and you've got to find your own voice in it. 345 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: So I don't know if that had something to do 346 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: with it or what, or it just happened to be, 347 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: you know, hey, let's just shake it up. And so 348 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: we went downstairs, came back up and did like one 349 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: more take and it was like, great, we got it. 350 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh, that was easy. And then 351 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: it was you know, a year later before were we 352 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: studied homing. You know, it's like we had to wait 353 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: to get picked up and then wait and wait. It 354 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: was like, actually, no, we shot that stuff. It was 355 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: in the fall. It was a year later that it aired. 356 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't until like April or whatever that we found 357 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: out how the show would turn out. Right. Jenna had 358 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: a conversation with me about backstory. She had a journal 359 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: about your relationship with the relationship between Pam and Roy 360 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: and her history. Did you work with her on your 361 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: initial backstory or were you Were you involved with that 362 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: at all. I was receptive to her ideas. It was 363 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: her show more than it was my show. I was 364 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: just a guest star on it. But we did talk 365 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: about it, you know, with all of those things, it's 366 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: so important to create a backstory. But yeah, we did 367 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: have to go how long have we been together? And 368 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: you know when we start dating? And how did it? 369 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: You know, we did. We did share those conversations, and 370 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: I don't know that too much of what I said 371 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: shifted anything. I was just more amenable her ideas, you know, 372 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I think that's probably right. I 373 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: think they probably kind of fell into this thing and 374 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: then they kind of got into a rut and just 375 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: kept going along, and you know, clearly they weren't happy 376 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: in the relationship, or at least Roy wasn't happy enough 377 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: to propose. And then, you know, the nice the fun 378 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: thing about that show is those talking heads where you 379 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: you could hear characters in her thoughts, you know, and 380 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: so often in television, you're not the characters don't evolve. 381 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: They want the same thing every week, and they want 382 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: to see that dynamic and how it plays out. But 383 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: they don't see a character make a shift or a change, 384 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: and so I was lucky enough to have this like, 385 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: oh no, Roy's gonna lose her, try to win her back, 386 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: and it was like this different character to play in 387 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: season three and that was really fun to do. And 388 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: and then when I found out that he didn't ever 389 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: really truly evolve by the end of it, you were like, 390 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: oh no, the old Roy's back. And then they, you know, 391 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: they nicely gave me a great little send off in 392 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: the you know, final season of the Evolved Roy or whatever, 393 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: which was cool. Right. You talk about how trying to 394 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: imitate somebody else's performance, right, so it's was Lee in 395 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: the British version. Did you feel like pretty quickly, you know, 396 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: the character of Roy evolved from that original British version 397 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: or became more tied to you and your sensibilities. Yeah, 398 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, you know, there's also that 399 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: British the reserve, you know, like that guy could be 400 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: just stoic and just kind of like, uh and didn't 401 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 1: say much that that Lee character was kind of like 402 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: that and uh. And they gave me more more things 403 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: to do, more funnier things to say, and be a 404 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: more of a meat head, you know. And you know, 405 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: I went to high school with a bunch of meat heads, 406 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of them I didn't like. So this 407 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: was my opportunity to make fun of them. I got 408 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: to carry that with me for the rest of my life, 409 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: you know. But but yeah, I mean it was they did. 410 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: They did right to that. I think also the whole 411 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: show just sort of evolved after those first six episodes. 412 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: It got its own voice when they didn't have those 413 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: scripts to to go to and and they had to 414 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: write for us, and they did, you know, I mean, 415 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're at least aware, you know that there 416 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: has been a lot of sympathy toward Roy actually and 417 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: his plight. You know, for a long time what what 418 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: would you call emotional cheating that she wanted to be 419 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: with someone else. My question is is that was that 420 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: a conscious decision? I mean, I guess talk a little 421 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: bit about the importance of bringing that humanity to Roy, 422 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: which gave him a depth that maybe on other shows 423 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't have existed. Well, I gotta say, you know that 424 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: was Greg Daniels. We had a conversation between season two 425 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: and three, and he uh said, I want to make 426 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: Roy more of a rival to Jim, And I said, 427 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: I don't know how we're going to do that because 428 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: he's a he's pretty much a meat head, and we've 429 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: pretty much painted him into a corner that I don't 430 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: know how anyone would ever want to be with this guy. 431 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: And he laughed and said, well, I think we can, 432 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: and I know that you can as an actor, and 433 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna write towards it. We're gonna try to make 434 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: it happen. And I said, look, in my opinion, the 435 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: only way that there's a chance at that is if 436 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: Roy is able to realize he's screwed up and try 437 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: to make amends or make it better somehow, and then 438 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: you might have a shot of rooting for him. Unless 439 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: he does that, I don't know how you can because 440 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: he's so thick headed. And he said, yeah, I agree 441 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: to I agree with that, and that's what I was thinking. 442 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: And I said, okay, cool, and then we had it 443 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: like in this season three, Like first episode there's a 444 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: talking head of the wedding has been called off and 445 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: and he just has this one moment where he says, 446 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: I gotta winner back. Yeah. It was definitely a conscious 447 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: effort of you know, this guy was you don't realize 448 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: how much you miss something and until they're gone. And 449 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: but at the same token, like I don't necessarily know 450 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: that they were the right match for each other. I 451 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: think it's also like you're gonna lose that thing, and 452 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: so you don't want to lose it. And so you know, 453 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: he was definitely in the doghouse trying to trying to 454 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: win her back, and you know, and there are moments 455 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: that they got to where you're like, oh, maybe this 456 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: is gonna happen, like maybe they'll push it off for 457 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: another couple of seasons of them getting together, but no, 458 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: it was the season three arc. But yeah, you know, 459 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: it's funny. I always say, like, because early on, man, 460 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: I get a lot of hate on the social media. 461 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: You're such a jerk. I hate you. But I would 462 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: always say, just please everyone, don't ever forget that, Hey, 463 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm cheated on Roy. Like he may have been a 464 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: numb soul and not a great boyfriend, but come on, like, 465 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: Roy isn't the guy that was doing that. Do you 466 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: think Roy never cheated I don't know. I don't know. 467 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. 468 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: I never thought about it, but I never did on camera. 469 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: You never did on camera. That's that we don't know 470 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: what that character did. I think Roy probably cheated early 471 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: on in their relationship. I would be I would guess 472 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: he just treated her so poorly. Yeah, he didn't really 473 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: have much respect for her, and I think it was 474 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: probably when she called it off that all of a 475 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: sudden did have respect for him, and it was like, 476 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: oh okay, right. So in Booze Crows, I mean, it 477 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: occurs to me as you're talking that it feels like 478 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: really about you sensing something between Jim and Pam and 479 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: just wanting to stop it as opposed to really wanting 480 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: to be with her. Is that is that how you 481 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: viewed it? Did you talk to Greg about it at all? No? 482 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: I didn't. We didn't talk about it, but it felt 483 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: that way, and when we shot it and that it 484 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: was a rivalry, it was also h I have to 485 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: do this, you know, and he saw them flirting with 486 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: each other and just blurting it out. So yeah, we 487 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: didn't really talk about it. But yeah, I think that's 488 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: fair to say that he was more interested in shutting 489 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: that down than really being so madly in love with 490 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: Pam I don't think that that was the case. And 491 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: also he had quite a few drinks, you know, and 492 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 1: was like festive and like all right, let's just do 493 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: this thing, you know, like just do it. We could 494 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: deal with the ramifications later. I'm sure he woke up 495 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: the next morning and was like, oh, no, we did 496 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: so boy, what do we do? Um? There's fan theories. 497 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: Do you think Roy Ever cheated on PAM with Angelo? 498 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: Definitely did not. You know, I don't even think he 499 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: knew Angela's name. I really don't. I don't think. I 500 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: don't think he was. It was that invested. But I 501 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: haven't watched them back since we originally did them, so 502 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: maybe there's a lot more in there that they edited. Yeah. Well, 503 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: but there's also a fan theory that Kevin is a 504 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: secret genius who embezzled millions of dollars from dunder Mifflin 505 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: and and he knew what was going on the whole time. 506 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: So it's certainly possible that that they know more than 507 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: I do. I do have to ask you about this. 508 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: It has become, I guess, one of my favorite stories 509 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: in life. But right around this time, mid season two, 510 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: Steve gets nominated for a Golden Globe Award, And do 511 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: you remember that we met at my house and you 512 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: drove us too. You drove a group of us to 513 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: the Beverly Hilton, and my recollection is a Honda Civic 514 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: and we showed up like the Beverly Hillbillies to the 515 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: Beverly Hilton for the Golden Globes where we were on 516 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: the rooftop, not allowed in the actual room. And we 517 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: drove up and they were like, you morons, like there's 518 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: no valet, this is a red carpet and we're not 519 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: taking your car. And you were like, no problem, guys, 520 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: I'll go park, and you like had to park miles 521 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: away and walk back. Do you remember this story? I 522 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: swear to you I do not, But I'm not surprised. 523 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: That is an awful answer, don't I wish? I wish 524 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: I remember that. I remembered us being upstairs at that party, 525 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: having quite a few drinks, and when when Steve won, 526 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: like it was like we won the Super Bowl, like 527 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: so humped and so excited for him and the show. 528 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: But now that you're saying, and I'm putting it all together, 529 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: like literally right now, and I do remember being at 530 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: your house, you don't remember. I'm sure I did, and 531 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: I had God, I had an old beat up Honda 532 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: was a Chord, a Chord. It was a four door. 533 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: It was old and beat up though, I mean it 534 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: was my old, agents old car. My car broke down 535 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: and I needed a car. I said, can I can? 536 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: I can I buy your car? And she was like, uh, okay, yeah, 537 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: just uh just pay me back when you can. I'm like, 538 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: I need a job and she was like okay, Like 539 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: she I was driving her car around for a couple 540 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: of months before I had enough money to pay it off. 541 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: It was only like or something, but it was like 542 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: it was an old, beat up car. So we pulled 543 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: up like along the side of Wilsher Boulevard and you 544 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: were like, you guys, get out, I'll go park who 545 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: always in the car with us, Oscar and Angela At 546 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: least I can't fully remembering. It's become one of my 547 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: favorite memories of the time. And um, that line. I 548 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: wish we knew we were in the good old days 549 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: while they were happening, because that, for me, it's just 550 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: kind of just the purity of that no limo, no 551 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: red carpet. I didn't even know that we were invited 552 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: on the red carpet. We may have kind of walked 553 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: through and people were like, who are they don't you're 554 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: not allowed in the room. Nobody knew we were. I 555 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: was surprised that we even got the invite to the 556 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: NBC party on the roof. You know, so many of 557 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: those parties, like early on shortly after that, we did 558 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: get like cars to go to like the SAG Awards 559 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: and things like that. Right, yes, no, yes, we didn't 560 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: remember ever driving to another one of those parts. No, 561 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: that was it. That was it. I think that was it. 562 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: I do remember we went to the SAG Awards. I 563 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: think it was the year later maybe, and we partied 564 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: so hard. It was like we thought that that party 565 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: was for us, Like the open bar. We were like, 566 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is amazing, and everyone's looking at 567 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: us like, oh my god, you guys, and we're dancing. 568 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: We took over the the the dance floor and like 569 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: it was so much fun. And now when I go 570 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: to those parties, I always see those like first year 571 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: shows and those kids doing the same thing. I'm not 572 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: doing that anywhere because now I know it's a work party. 573 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: Have a drink, say hello, everybody you know, and keep 574 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: your head down. But like, yeah, that innocence of us 575 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: was pretty palpable and everyone everyone was smiling and having 576 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: a good time with us. What was it like coming 577 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: back to the show when you would be gone for 578 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: a bit and then you would come back. Well, those 579 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: early days, because I wasn't in every episode, you guys 580 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: were so stir crazy, like stuck in that room with 581 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: the same faces to look at for twelve hours a day, 582 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: all day long. So when I would come in, you 583 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: guys were so like, hey, even, oh my god, there's 584 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: another person here, and you guys were so excited to 585 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: see me. It was so much fun. Um it was. 586 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: It was hilarious. Yeah, you know, that show evolved over 587 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: time and everybody's evolved with it, and everyone's kind of 588 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: star broke out in different ways and different things, and 589 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: it was a different show. It was a different show 590 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: those later years. Everyone was still very nice, but you 591 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: were there. We weren't driving to an awards ceremony and 592 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: your beat up Honda everyone. Yeah, I remember that, Like, 593 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: what was it, season three? All of a sudden everyone 594 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: pulls up in new cars and like it was like, oh, 595 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: all right, I guess everybody. The st is gonna be 596 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: around a little bit. Yeah, did you have any conversations 597 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: with Greg when you agreed to come back with your 598 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: new fiancee? Uh, and you invite Jim and Pam to 599 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: your wedding? Did you have any conversations with Greg about 600 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: what you wanted in terms of resolution to the character? 601 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: That was all then. I mean I did come to 602 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: find out like that John was always sort of pitching 603 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: to try to get me around, uh, stir up some 604 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 1: of that conflict that they had those early years. That 605 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: was fun stuff for us to play. But no, I mean, 606 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: you know there was I did that one episode in 607 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: five and then and then they brought me in for 608 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: the threat level midnight or something midnight, Yes, and uh, 609 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: and they cut me out of that episode, so I'm 610 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: only in the extras of that. And then they called 611 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: me that was the crazy one. Was that Jim and 612 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: Pam's wedding. They called me with that crazy pitch that 613 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: now is out there. I was shooting a movie up 614 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: in Maine and they were like, can you come in 615 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,959 Speaker 1: to do this Niagara false thing? And I was like, 616 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that I'll be able to. Like we 617 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: had to carve it out of the skin edgule, And 618 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: so then they did carve it out, and the last 619 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: second they called and said it's not happening. And I 620 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: was like at all and they're like, it' not happening. 621 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: Riding in on a horse in the middle of the way. 622 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 1: I mean, it was so crazy. I'm so glad somebody 623 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: stepped in. It was like, guys, I think they were 624 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: jump on the shark here. This is a little bit 625 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: too much. It did not feel at all like what 626 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 1: Roy would have done either when I was being pitched 627 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: it or told it. But I didn't have any any 628 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: say in that at all. But I was so grateful 629 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: that they that they pivoted at the end, and I 630 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: thought that that episode was a beautiful episode and I 631 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: loved how it ended. And sometimes people get locked into 632 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: an idea and they think that's the best thing, and 633 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: then and then when when they're forced to pivot on something, 634 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, something even more beautiful comes out 635 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: of it that you don't anticipate often. And I think 636 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: that's a perfect example of of of an episode that 637 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: turned out that way. Yeah, well, it's so crazy because 638 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: I think that bond of our early times we got 639 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: so close, Like you know, even when you would leave 640 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: for a while, we may have jumped to you because 641 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: we wanted somebody else to look at, but it was 642 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: never like, oh, that guy is back, like you were 643 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: always a part of the ensemble. I'm sure that has 644 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: to do with how the show started and what we 645 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: were born out of. I've always felt that way. I 646 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. I did. Never. Yeah, people's excitement was 647 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: not nothing about like anything other than a new face 648 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: to look at and talk to me, like what have 649 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: you been up to? But it was But we did 650 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: all bund even for me, who was not in all 651 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: of the episodes. But those early years I remember so 652 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: much just hanging out and playing video games and the 653 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: trailers and yeah, I mean, but you know, a big 654 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: part of that too is who was steering the ship 655 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: of Steve. You know, he was the most humble guy. 656 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: And here he was by the time we shot the 657 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: pilot and by the time it aired that second season, 658 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: one of the biggest movie stars around at that on 659 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: the planet, and he was still the same guy, humble 660 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: down to earth, excited about the same things. Creatively, would 661 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: listen to you with you know, it was just like 662 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: and that's he's still that guy today. I mean I 663 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: remember I just ran into him, not just but like 664 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: right before COVID. We were in the parking lot. We 665 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: talked for like an hour, like and it was just 666 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: like like no time had passed between the last time 667 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: I saw him and then. And I've been in a 668 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: lot of shows that a lot of people, and people 669 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: is famous as he is, and that is not always 670 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: the case at all. He's a special human And I 671 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: always say he's my favorite actor I've ever worked with 672 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: and been around because his talent as as he is, 673 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: he's just that nice as a human being. Yeah, Basically 674 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: every single person that I've talked to over the last 675 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: couple of years up said exactly the same thing. Kind 676 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: of just doesn't get any better in terms of his 677 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: talent or just his decency as a person. Had a 678 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: tremendous impact on not just the show but all of 679 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: us individually. And it's hard to it's hard to put 680 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: that into words with other shows, and people have asked, 681 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: but I can't put my finger on it other than 682 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: just being a professional, always showing up on time, doing 683 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: his job, and always making everyone's day better. Yeah, that 684 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: is exactly what it is. He always showed up, he 685 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: always worked as hard as he possibly could and was 686 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,959 Speaker 1: working harder than anyone else, and was still decent and 687 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: kind to everyone that he interacted with forever. And you know, 688 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: he taught me a really important lesson him. And I 689 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: mean it's like name drops Central, but Robin Williams as well, 690 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: this sort of mantra of it takes just as much 691 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: energy to be nice than it does to be an ass. 692 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of as simple as that, do 693 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: your job and do it excellently and at the same 694 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: time be kind to everyone around you. Yeah, it seems 695 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: so simple, but it isn't always the case, you know. 696 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: I know. So after the office, you've been busy, continuing 697 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: to work hard and returned to some drama. I wanted 698 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: just for a few minutes, because this is selfish. I 699 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: loved your performance and the show, Mayor of Easttown, So 700 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: congratulations on that show. How was that to work on 701 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 1: for you? Just as lovely as you can imagine. Kate 702 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: is as great as Steve is. Kate's equal part as 703 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: a human being and as an actress. She's just so 704 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: down to earth and so great. Yeah, all of those things. 705 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: You know I just said about Steve, just take them 706 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: and dump them right on over to Kate. The thing 707 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: it was great from talking about background and all that 708 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: stuff the Jedda was doing with her character from the 709 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: get go. You know, we had to do all that 710 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: stuff with our characters because we had twenty plus years 711 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: of a relationship and a lot of stuff that had 712 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: gone down that we had to know and had to 713 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: figure out. And so you know, that was our rehearsal. 714 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: That's all we did. We got together and we just 715 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: talked with her and I and Uh and Jeans Smart 716 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: and Gawery, with a writer and a director and just 717 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: flushing out all of that history because you have to 718 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: have that history to play that subtext. And if you 719 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: if we're not both thinking about the same thing when 720 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,959 Speaker 1: she's saying our grandson is blinking again, if we both 721 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: don't know that's the same thing and our son did, 722 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: you don't have that history, you don't you can't play 723 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: that moment. So yeah, we got to do all of 724 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: that stuff. And it was a crazy experience just in 725 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: the sense of we had to get shut down for 726 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: COVID for six months and then come back and then 727 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: I had more hair at the beginning of the season 728 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: than I did at the end. But we shut it 729 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: all together, and you know it's like stuff like that. 730 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: You're like, God, this took a lot longer than anyone anticipated. 731 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: Kate was so so specific about detail, and you know, 732 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: like she would do these things and it's like most 733 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,280 Speaker 1: people wouldn't, you know, wouldn't appreciate it. But as an actor, 734 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: I'm watching her and I'm just going, oh my god, 735 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: she's she's doing that, and it's all behavior stuff like 736 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: she grabs the cheese it and she puts the cheese 737 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: wiz on and I remember and I just watched her 738 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: in the moment when we did the rehearsal. She goes, 739 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: I gotta have I need like, like, what's that cheese 740 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: spread stuff? Like I need that. I want to put 741 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: her like on a cheese it or something. And they 742 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, let's find some cheese whiz and and it. 743 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean, she must have done twenty takes of that, 744 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: pouring it on and eating it and they never saw 745 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: her eat it like it cuts right before and I 746 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: was like, no, she she almost puked that day just 747 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: to get that bit and you didn't even use it 748 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: her mind working, you know, in such creative ways of 749 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: of really digging into that character. And she spent a 750 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: lot of time with you know, detectives and being in 751 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: that area. I I got to listen to accents of 752 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: people in that region and it was an amazing experience. 753 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: It was great. It was all the stuff you hope 754 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: it would be when you sign on to do one 755 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, you talked about behavior, because we've talked 756 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: about that quite a bit. That character behavior was so 757 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: much a basis of what The Office was. And I 758 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: think it's really about the characters and those behaviors and 759 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: not painting the quote unquote bad guys as bad guys 760 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: or the idiots as just idiots. That there's a complexity 761 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: and a depth to the character that is so vitally important. 762 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: I think I agree with that sentiment about The Office absolutely. 763 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: I just love that type of comedy too, that's grounded 764 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: in reality but makes you so uncomfortable you have to 765 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: you have to laugh or some people can't take it. 766 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: I have friends and be like, I can't watch that stuff. 767 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 1: It's just too it's so uncomfortable. What he what he says, 768 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: those things, and I just eat that up. But it's 769 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: it's grounded in reality behavior, and it's about also character 770 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: development and obviously a huge journey and arc with Roy, 771 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: but so much of the work that you have done 772 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: over the years that that attention to detail Allen character 773 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: is there throughout. And I admire you so much as 774 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: an actor, and you know want you to know how 775 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: our even if you don't fully remember our Honda car ride, 776 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: those early days and the time that we shared and 777 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: getting to watch you work was always such a pleasure 778 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: for me. So thank you David so much for your 779 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: work and and for for joining us today. I appreciate 780 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: you so much. Right back at you, I've always been 781 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: a fan and I'm excited for you to be doing 782 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: these deep dives. I mean, like, it's crazy how long 783 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: this thing has lasted. It's a beautiful thing. I'm grateful 784 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: for it. It's crazy it is. I'll close by asking you, then, 785 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: why do you think that this show is bigger now 786 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 1: than it ever was when we were shooting? Oh boy? 787 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean I would just go back to something Steve 788 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: said when we first started doing it, and he was like, 789 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: this is not going to be everyone's cup of tea. 790 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: We have to let people find this show. If we 791 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: try to make it like what's already out there, and 792 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. We have to do our own 793 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: thing with it. They had done office comedies before, and 794 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: they'll do them again in the future, but ours was 795 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: unique at the time, you know, reality TV was had 796 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: been in our our our universe, so that we could 797 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: use that format that I don't think anyone had really 798 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: used that format that. I think that's that's unique about it. 799 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: And frankly, because you have streaming, no one is going 800 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: to try to do this right now, because why would 801 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: you If you could just go watch the Office, You're 802 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: not going to try to do the same thing. So 803 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna last. It's going to continue to last, 804 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: I think, and so many people go back to this 805 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: like comfort food. It's like me putting on Sports Center 806 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: to that and just relax, you know. Awesome, Thank you 807 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: David so much. Thanks for coming on the problem brother. 808 00:41:51,640 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: Good to see again. David, You're the best. I enjoyed 809 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: that so much. You are an actor's actor, and I 810 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: for one am fascinated by you and all of the 811 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: characters you have created with such intelligence, depth and sincerity. 812 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: So thank you so much, and for talking all about Roy, 813 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: who I dare say is one of the most overlooked 814 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: characters on the Office. Thank you for joining me, my friend, 815 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: it was indeed my pleasure. The rest of you well, 816 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: see you soon for new episodes in the Brian bamb 817 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: Gartner podcast Machine. Is that a thing? I don't know, 818 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: but anyway, I'll see you next week for another episode 819 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: of the Office Deep Dive. Until then, be very very well, 820 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: my friends. The Office Deep Dive is hosted and executive 821 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: for used by me, Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley. 822 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: Our producers are Emily Carr and Diego Tapia, and our 823 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: intern is Hannah Harris. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, 824 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: performed by my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode 825 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,359 Speaker 1: was mixed by seth Olandski