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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, good evening to you as we head into a

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Speaker 2: Sunday night. And everybody knows the rule if you've ever

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Speaker 2: played baseball from a young age, tie goes to the runner.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, in this particular case, as we take a look

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Speaker 2: at a few of the basketball series that are out there,

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Speaker 2: it's not really the case. The tie does not go

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Speaker 2: to the runner. I'm gonna explain that a little bit

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Speaker 2: more in a little bit. We're broadcasting live from the

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio studios. But there's only one way to

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Speaker 2: start tonight, only one way to start. And first of all,

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Speaker 2: good evening to you. Eat from Salam, good evening to you.

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Speaker 2: But h Mark Willard, thank you. This is all the

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Speaker 2: rest of the night is all dedicated not to you,

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Speaker 2: not to me, but to any ladies out there who

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Speaker 2: have ever had cared for and raised a child. Happy

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Speaker 2: Mother's Day to each and every one of you that

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Speaker 2: happens to be listening to the sound of our voices

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 4: Happy Mother's Day. This is the place with moms come

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Speaker 4: to get entertained.

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Speaker 2: That I pitched that motto and it got turned down,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna give up I'm not gonna give up, man,

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Speaker 2: That's that's what I'm going for. But how did you

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Speaker 2: how'd you celebrate today?

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Speaker 4: Hey man, I celebrated with my beautiful wife and my

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Speaker 4: mother in law, and and all we did was everything

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Speaker 4: they wanted exactly right.

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Speaker 3: That's how we celebrate.

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Speaker 2: And you're very lucky that it sounds like they wanted

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Speaker 2: to be with you.

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Speaker 4: That is true, and that I always give my wife

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Speaker 4: the option. I said, hey, you tell me, I can

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Speaker 4: take us and we can disappear. Yep, it is whatever

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Speaker 4: you want. And she every year without fail, she wants

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Speaker 4: to spend time with us.

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Speaker 2: What a wonderful lady. And and I think that also

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Speaker 2: speaks highly of the rest of y'all too well. I

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Speaker 2: know I know by the moms now that they're like

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Speaker 2: that mom days off, so like see you later, I'm

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Speaker 2: going off to And no, shad't no judgment. But if

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Speaker 2: you want to go have a massage, and you want

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Speaker 2: to go to spa or the swimming pool of the beach,

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Speaker 2: you just want to be with the ladies and leave it,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. I totally get it. And maybe the best

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Speaker 2: thing to do is is split the difference a little

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Speaker 2: bit and you got a whole day, do a little

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Speaker 2: bit of both.

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Speaker 3: Old day.

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Speaker 2: But those parents on Mother's days, father's days, if they

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Speaker 2: actually want to spend time with the family, that I

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Speaker 2: think that speaks well of everybody, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it does. So good job dad, Wow, thank you?

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I wake up early, I get my boys prepared,

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Speaker 4: and I tell.

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Speaker 3: Them, do not do not bother your mother.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, ain't gonna mess with mom does that's no

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Speaker 4: arguments is no. But but but well he no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: Orioles.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a shame actually that we only reserve

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Speaker 2: that for one day of the year. Yeah, it kind

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Speaker 2: of should be all of them.

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Speaker 3: This is the only day it works, though.

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Speaker 2: It's the only day it works, right, all.

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Speaker 3: The rest of them. It's like pulling teeth.

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Speaker 2: Brother. I went for a as I often do. I'm

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Speaker 2: family again. So anyway, Happy Mother's Day to ever rebody,

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Speaker 2: We thank you for making us a part of your day.

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Speaker 2: All right. The nuggets are up a creek, Denver Nuggets

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Speaker 2: are up a creek. Now, there's a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: all plays, like we're about to see the Pacers play

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Speaker 2: the Cavaliers, And I'm telling you right now, if the

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Speaker 2: Pacers don't win this game, they're up a creek. Ties

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Speaker 2: are not always good enough. In fact, the Golden State

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Speaker 2: Warriors could win a home game tomorrow night, and if

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Speaker 2: wonder what it is about the way these things maneuver.

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Speaker 2: And obviously the Warriors Wolves thing is different because there's

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Speaker 2: a major injury to a major player. But when I

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Speaker 2: look at what the Pacers were able to achieve, I'll

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Speaker 2: say this about the Knicks in their next game, which

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Speaker 2: I think is tomorrow as well, Like, you go on

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Speaker 3: You gotta get one of these.

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Speaker 2: That is such an unbelievable statement. You cannot.

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Speaker 4: You can't go around and come home and give it back.

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Speaker 2: You're dead. You're dead if this thing gets reeven to too.

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Speaker 4: Too yet, the momentum, the momentum shifts, I mean tenfold.

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Speaker 4: When you shock a team and you win two games

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Speaker 4: on their road, meaning that team in the regular season

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Speaker 4: So therefore you have home court advantage. And if a

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Speaker 4: I mean you're reeling.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: You want to know what a knockout punch is? Win

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Speaker 4: Game three at home, that's a knockout punch. Now, no

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Speaker 4: matter what happens, they're dead in the water because no

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Speaker 4: Celtics were going to win a game, right, You knew

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Speaker 4: a Celtics were gonna win Game three. In my mind,

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Speaker 4: I knew that they were gonna win Game three because

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Speaker 4: they understand as a championship team what losing game three

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you're New York, you gotta understand that,

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Speaker 4: and you gotta do something. You gotta change everything up,

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Speaker 4: you gotta make it ugly, you gotta do things that

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Speaker 4: you're essentially you're just taking a shot because they're a

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Speaker 4: better roster than you, they have better depth, and so

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Speaker 4: you have to make it to where they're uncomfortable, you

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Speaker 4: have to impose your will on them. I'm talking about,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna score the first thirty points in the paint,

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Speaker 4: right like you. It's gotta be something drastic like that,

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Speaker 4: because what we saw is, look, they're not gonna shoot

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: And so you gotta make it to a situation where

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Speaker 4: you can come out and say, hey, we're gonna give

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Speaker 4: That way, if we're going in the paint, they're scoring

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Speaker 4: in the paint, we can keep the game close. That's

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Speaker 4: what I mean by radical, Right, I'm not gonna allow

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Speaker 4: you to shoot threes while we shoot two's. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: run every single person off the three point line, make

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Speaker 4: you shoot floaters, layups or dunks. That allows you to

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Speaker 4: keep the game close, because if you miss three times

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Speaker 4: in a row and they go down and hit three threes,

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Speaker 4: that's nine points.

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Speaker 3: The game is no longer close.

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Speaker 4: And so that's what I mean by doing something radical,

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Speaker 4: doing something that you're uncomfortable with. That's the type of

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Speaker 4: conversation I'm having with my team, and I'm saying, get

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Speaker 4: we're giving no threes what they've been shooting. I think

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Speaker 4: before Game three they were twenty five for one hundred

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of it going around. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: watched it. Even though the Timberwolves eliminated the Lakers, they

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Speaker 2: out and did the exact same thing in Game one

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Speaker 2: I think two plus playoff games where the Timberwolves wait

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Speaker 2: for this number now, were twelve of seventy six from

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Speaker 2: So you know, I just wonder, like I'm always fascinated

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Speaker 2: starting to unfold. You wonder how fatigue, both mental and physical,

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Speaker 2: looking at this Eastern Conference going hold up, like I

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Speaker 2: had already booked Celtics versus Cabs in the Eastern Conference

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Speaker 2: Finals done before the playoffs even started. I was like,

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Speaker 3: What is gonna be?

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Speaker 2: Right? And then I walked into the weekend going dude,

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Speaker 2: won road games by double digits. But now it comes

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Speaker 2: to game four. And I've been talking about this a

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Speaker 2: lot lately on the weekday show Ephrom. I think it's

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Speaker 2: funny when people call game three and sometimes game five, oh,

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Speaker 2: the pivotal the pivotal Game three. No, the even numbered

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Speaker 2: games are the pivotal ones, because that's where you could

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Speaker 2: actually make some hay. If you win Game three but

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Speaker 2: didn't do anything.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Game four is the one where you can create space

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Speaker 2: that three to one lead that essentially has only been

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Speaker 2: overcome I think four times in the history league. It's doable.

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Speaker 2: The Rockets almost did it last round. But it's very

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Speaker 2: very hard, and so that's where you can make some hay.

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Speaker 2: So these Pacers that we're looking at tonight, those knicks

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Speaker 2: that we'll be looking at tomorrow, and what we watched

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Speaker 2: Denver attempt to do and was unable to do earlier today,

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Speaker 2: that's your game, especially when you're the underdog. That's the

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Speaker 2: one where if you stole a road game and then

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Speaker 2: held serve in Game three, Game four, Minnesota will have

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Speaker 2: the opportunity tomorrow night. That's the game where you can

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Speaker 3: Intensity, oh Man has increased.

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Speaker 2: It is amazing.

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Speaker 4: It shows you just how hard these teams are competing.

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Speaker 3: It made twenty three pointers between the both of them. Yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: The Nuggets were eleven of forty five, the thunder were

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're in the Fox Sports Radio studios. Happy Mom's Day.

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Speaker 2: That's see from Salam. I'm Mark Willard. I want to

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Speaker 2: to our Fox Sports Radio videos on YouTube. Your boy

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Speaker 2: earlier today went two of twelve from the field, two

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Plus minus matters?

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Speaker 2: Plus minus matters for those who don't speak box score.

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Speaker 2: Plus minus basically tells you what each individual player like,

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Speaker 2: big olds thinking minus twenty in a basketball game that

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Speaker 2: of don't get it. I get it, I get the talent,

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Speaker 2: I fully understand that, but I don't know. I haven't

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Speaker 2: watched every Nuggets game this year, and I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm like, there's a lot of good, but there's more bad.

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Speaker 4: The man told you just exactly what you were gonna get.

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Speaker 4: He said it himself to one of the games.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And you can.

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Speaker 4: Live by it, you die by it. Now for me,

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Speaker 3: Maybe a turnover. Maybe this I may make a shy I.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 4: Correct when it's this is me, this is what you're

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Speaker 3: I mean, they had they had taken.

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Speaker 4: This was a series that was going to be a fight,

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Speaker 2: I can think of this defense that the league is

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Speaker 4: You know what, when you know what, you really got

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Speaker 4: And I tell people this all the time. The three

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Speaker 4: It's masterful. Sure, that's what he does. It's masterful, Klay Thompson.

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Speaker 4: they swinging the ball and you shoot it. It's easy.

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Speaker 4: There's no contact there, there's no afterthought. It's easy. Almost

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Speaker 4: as easy as us handing this thing off to Steve

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Speaker 4: Or Martin Wise, Oh it's not Steve. Oh whoa, whoa

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Speaker 4: he Mark, he can wait. We gotta wait, he can wait.

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Speaker 4: If if Steve's not in here, he can wait. It's fine.

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Speaker 4: We'll get him at forty five. Right looking looking at it.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, ladies and gentlemen, Martin Wise, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Hey, let's the playoffs. Just because I'm out here.

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Speaker 6: Look little they say play five, like play six, trust five,

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Speaker 3: But I'm here, you're here. I'm ready to make you

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Speaker 6: The Indiana Pacers lead the Cleveland Cavaliers in Game four

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Speaker 6: of the Eastern Conferce Semifinals twenty two to ten.

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Speaker 3: Right has been a rough going for Cleveland.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, on the offensive side of things, Miles Turner has

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Speaker 6: Tyre's Haliburton four rebounds, but only two points the game.

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Speaker 6: The guy's just talking about the Thunder and the Nuggets.

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Speaker 6: The Thunder tie this series back up in a game

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Speaker 6: Gilders Alexander at twenty five point six rebounds. Now going

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Speaker 6: looking at this Indiana Cleveland game, it looks like Benedict

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Speaker 6: Mather it just went back towards the locker room.

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Speaker 3: He was ejected right Rick.

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Speaker 6: Carlisle's arguing with the referees and not happy with the

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Speaker 6: be Benedict Mather, And looks like he'll be watching the

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Speaker 6: rest of this game just like you and me as

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Speaker 6: watching on TV. As de Andre Hunter attempts the technical

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Speaker 6: free throw, misses it all right and mate. In hockey,

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Speaker 6: end of the first period, Florida has a first one

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Speaker 6: goal lead over Toronto won to nothing, and a two

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Speaker 6: Ironically enough, the Rockies did pick up their seventh win

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Speaker 6: of the year. On Sunday, they speak the Cares nine

438
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Speaker 6: to three. Freddie Freeman Rooki Betts both at home runs

439
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Speaker 6: as the Dodgers beat the Diamondbacks eight to one, and

440
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Speaker 6: right now Sunday Night Baseball, the Phillies have a.

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Speaker 3: One run lead over the Garden Unions one to nothing.

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Speaker 6: Kyle schwar Rat bat He's got the one leadoff home

443
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Speaker 6: a home run earlier today, top of the sixth inning,

444
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Speaker 6: one on and one out, ephrom and Mark back to

445
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Speaker 6: you guys.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Martin, Appreciate you battling through that disrespect.

447
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: No any disrespect.

448
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: It was amazing. Actually I thought.

449
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Speaker 3: Way to step up.

450
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: Speaking of disrespect, I don't know, did you look down?

451
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: I look down, I look back up and uh and

452
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: and in this Pacers Calves game, DeAndre Hunter walked straight up.

453
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: Was that nem Hard that got knocked out or nest Man?

454
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: It's uh, it was who got thrown out?

455
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Speaker 4: Uh?

456
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Speaker 3: What's his name? Heartburn, Heartburn.

457
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: Mathren Man, Benedict Mathrin got thrown out?

458
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: Okay, well he punched him in the stomach.

459
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Speaker 2: Yeah, backed up, and Hunter just walked over, stalked over,

460
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: and two arms shoved him to the ground. And I think,

461
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: if you look down for a second, I know the

462
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Speaker 2: fans in Indian NFL this way, They're like, whoa Hunter's

463
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: gonna get thrown out for that? Nope, Nope, it was

464
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Speaker 2: actually the other way around. I give the officials credit

465
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Speaker 2: because the old adage didn't happen there, which is that

466
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Speaker 2: the responder is the one who gets in trouble.

467
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but now nowadays, with the eye in the sky,

468
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 4: you can always catch the first guy.

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Speaker 2: Oh, don't get me started. You want to go there?

470
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: You want to go there? Should we talk about NBA

471
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: replay for one hour or two? Should we? My man?

472
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: Help me out, Help me out. I'm gonna try like

473
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: hell to not make this about my team, because I

474
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: don't think it is about my team. Well, last night,

475
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: last night was a big old bucket of you know what,

476
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Speaker 2: and that happens not the first time, won't be the last.

477
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: But here's my question. It's procedural I'm not a results guy.

478
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: I'm a processed guy. So the result is gonna be weird.

479
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're not always gonna This is a John Wooden thing, right, Like,

480
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: keep doing it the way that you're supposed to do

481
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: it and trust that more often than not that's gonna

482
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Speaker 2: work out for you. There'll be one offs, there'll be

483
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Speaker 2: times where it doesn't work out for you. So the

484
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: fact that every single review went the wrong way last

485
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Speaker 2: night is not the is not the point.

486
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Speaker 3: Did it go the way?

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Speaker 2: Well, in this case, it was the same thing. Now,

488
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: there was one review on the ball got knocked out

489
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Speaker 2: of bounds by the Warriors. They overturned it, and they

490
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: were right. I got eyes, I could see that, okay,

491
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Speaker 2: But with regard to the situation that developed there, it

492
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Speaker 2: is simply an example of what I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 2: And and here is the example so that I can

494
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Speaker 2: make the larger point. Okay, you have a foul called

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Speaker 2: in I think the third quarter doesn't matter, second quarter,

496
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Speaker 2: third quarter in the NBA, apparently, if you're going to

497
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Speaker 2: be wrong, you better be a ref. You're the only

498
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Speaker 2: person that's allowed to be wrong, and you can be

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Speaker 2: wrong over and over and over again. But my god,

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Speaker 2: if a team decides to challenge something, and even if

501
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: they're right, but you refs decide they're wrong, then they

502
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Speaker 2: are punished for the remainder of the night and they

503
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: don't have a challenge anymore. Now the NFL takes over

504
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: with two minutes to go and a half, the NFL

505
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Speaker 2: is instituted something that you sort of just referenced called

506
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Speaker 2: replay Assist, also known as the eye in the sky.

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Speaker 2: They can whisper to the refs, guys, you just got

508
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Speaker 2: it wrong. Change your call, and they do because it's

509
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and why the hell wouldn't you do that?

510
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Speaker 2: But no, not in the NBA. If you ask somebody

511
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Speaker 2: to look at something and they decide that you're wrong,

512
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: that's it. You get said into your room for the

513
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Speaker 2: remainder of the game. And if the refs decide to

514
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Speaker 2: then go out there and ruin the rest of the game,

515
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: tough bub kiss cookies, nothing you can do about it.

516
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: And I just think from a process standpoint, that's stupid.

517
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: What who came up with that idea? Who came up

518
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Speaker 2: with the idea that in a two point game coming

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Speaker 2: down the stretch with three minutes to go. The person

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Speaker 2: who I happen to think is the best defensive player

521
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Speaker 2: I've ever watched in my entire life and is the

522
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Speaker 2: heartbeat of a playoff team's defense in a one to

523
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Speaker 2: one tie, is gonna get sent to the bench with

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Speaker 2: his sixth foul when literally no contact was made at all,

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Speaker 2: no contact.

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Speaker 3: Defense, But it wasn't his left hand. Oh dear, listen

527
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Speaker 3: to what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You're calling for physicality in the playoffs, and that all

529
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Speaker 2: a fingernail is going to send.

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Speaker 4: Somebody the ball, right, If this is what this is, all,

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Speaker 4: I'll say, as great and I mean great, as great

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Speaker 4: as Draymond is defensively, I mean he's one of the

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Speaker 4: best who's ever done it in any era period. He

534
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: is a difference maker on defense, and there's nothing you

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Speaker 4: can say against that.

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Speaker 3: But he's gotta be.

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Speaker 4: Smarter well, of course, and so if you know this,

538
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Speaker 4: which he did that for his whole career, because he

539
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 4: just picked up his fifth foul, but anyway, but was

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Speaker 4: reviewed incorrectly, right, But what I'm saying is you have

541
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Speaker 4: to know if he if he goes based on the

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00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: first he closed out awful, But you can't give up

543
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 4: the baseline there. But if he does, you gotta you

544
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: gotta concede the dunk.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even going to argue that you have to.

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Speaker 3: And you I knew it, you know it, knew it,

547
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: everybody knew.

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Speaker 2: But here's the question that matters for the process. I

549
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: can't argue whether or not Draymond makes perfect decisions on

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Speaker 2: the court. Good lord, we could do a montage for

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Speaker 2: two hours of all the stupid things that he got

552
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Speaker 2: on a basketball court. Okay, However, let me ask you

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Speaker 2: this and and hold your answer. If that got reviewed,

554
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Speaker 2: do you think they would have overturned it? See? I

555
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: disagree with you?

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Speaker 3: And why?

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Speaker 4: And this is why I tell you why. I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you exactly why. If you want me, you want to

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00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 4: give to you now?

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00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: No, give it to me next, Give it to me next.

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Speaker 2: On Fox Sports Radio Sports Radio alright, live in the

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio studios, Mark Wardy from Salam. I'm gonna

563
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to keep doing my best here. I'm

564
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: gonna try because e it's really not about the Warriors,

565
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: and it's not about last night. I really don't understand

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Speaker 2: the idea that the NBA feels like if you challenge

567
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: a play and you're wrong or they think you're wrong.

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00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. No more needing to get it right,

569
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Speaker 2: no more needing to worry about anything that happens the

570
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: rest of the game. You're wrong one time, and that's it.

571
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: It's over. You completely pull your pants down and leave

572
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: them around your ankles for the remainder of the game.

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Speaker 2: What if we just focus on that. Tell me that

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Speaker 2: that makes sense in twenty twenty five when you're also

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Speaker 2: not using replay assist.

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00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.

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00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: Okay, that's my issue, But go ahead.

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Speaker 4: What I will say is this what happens after every

579
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 4: single whistle? Tell me what happens?

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Speaker 3: What? What do the players.

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Speaker 2: Do starting to their bench?

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, for a cent of all players who do

583
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Speaker 3: that are wrong?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 4: Correct, Like that's a real number in my estimation. Because

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Speaker 4: I'm going I can tell you what I could tell

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Speaker 4: you why. I say that because of the time, the

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Speaker 4: coach doesn't challenge, right, But why doesn't the coach challenge

589
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 4: because it's not enough evidence to overturn it. They get

590
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Speaker 4: real time, they get real time reviews.

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Speaker 2: They do I know time.

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Speaker 4: There's the guy, the coach, The coach look at the player,

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00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: the twirl o the finger. He'll immediately turn to the

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00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: guy behind the bench with the iPad and you'll see

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Speaker 4: that guy look down and then look up and shake

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Speaker 4: his head.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yeah, I understood. However, soever, I disagree with

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Speaker 2: you that.

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Speaker 3: That's why that was just part of it. That was

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Speaker 3: part of Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The plays to often don't get reviewed because the coach knows,

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Speaker 2: I better save this for the uber uber super super

604
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: really messy call, even though the one that just screwed

605
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: up the third quarter might be really important. I'm not

606
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: gonna review that because what if I need this in

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter?

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Speaker 4: Yes, so if you go, if you gave each team

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Speaker 4: five challenges, no, no, no, not calling for that.

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Speaker 3: What do we call it for?

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Speaker 2: I mean something that's beyond one and dock?

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Speaker 3: How slow would the game go?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've already got this in the NFL. We've

614
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: already got this in the NFL. And by the way,

615
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Speaker 2: it is not our fault, nor is it the player's

616
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Speaker 2: fault that the league has such a ridiculously antiquated way

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Speaker 2: of getting the review. How long did you watch the

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00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: game last night? I know you didn't. When that ball

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Speaker 2: didn't go off of Anthony Edwards one look. They hadn't

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Speaker 2: even gone to commercial yet, and I'm like, oh, that's

621
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Speaker 2: off the Warriors. Then we go watch five beer commercials.

622
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: I went to the bathroom, so I came back. I

623
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 2: ordered another drink. I was at a bar. I ordered

624
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Speaker 2: another drink. And then they come back to broadcast and

625
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: these three dudes are still standing over there with headsets on.

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Speaker 2: What are we doing? What are we doing? Take a

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00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: look at it, turn around, get your butt back out

628
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Speaker 2: on the court, and let's move. I like, I'm they

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Speaker 2: do not get to do that, and then use that

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Speaker 2: as the reason why these teams are are getting okay.

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Speaker 4: So I'll say with the play, we're talking about the

632
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 4: foul that Draymond got his sixth foul. The reason they

633
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: would have kept that a foul is his offhand, which

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00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: was his left hand. His right hand was up trying

635
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Speaker 4: to challenge the shot because the player was behind the

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00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: backboard going baseline. Any contact with that hand while the

637
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 4: players in the air pushes them out of the range

638
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: of making a shot. It pushes them behind the backboard.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna call it every single time. If that's in

640
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: the middle of the court, they're not calling it. But

641
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 4: because it's baseline, and because the slightest touch on someone's

642
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: hip when they're in the air places them behind the

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Speaker 4: angle to make a shot. They're gonna call that now

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Speaker 4: up top. He challenged it without a foul. That's why

645
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: I was saying. He has to be smarter than that.

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Speaker 4: He gave a baseline.

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Speaker 3: He was beaten. You gotta let that one go. You

648
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: have to, you gotta let it go.

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Speaker 2: And you and I see this one differently because he

650
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: didn't let it go, and I thought he defended it

651
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: masterfully and he caused the miss. And you and I

652
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: will never know what the refs would have said if

653
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: they were able to call review, which they weren't. But

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Speaker 2: here's what I would say. This is what I often see.

655
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Speaker 2: Forget last night. You want to know why they would

656
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: have come back and confirmed that it was a foul,

657
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: because they're human beings and they want to be right.

658
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: Oh that's what kid.

659
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing that's stupid about NBA replay. Don't

660
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: let the people who made the call go replay it.

661
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: Have Bob be in New Jersey just look at it.

662
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: Tell us what you see, say it to the rest,

663
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: send it back, because these guys want to be right,

664
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: and so there's confirmation bias dripping all over this system.

665
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: I've watched it all year long, and I'm not obviously

666
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 2: talking about last night because that review didn't even take place.

667
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: But I'm confident they would have come out and confirmed

668
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: it because they're human beings and they would like to

669
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: be right. Like my issue is not in the end,

670
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 2: it's not with any specific thing that happened last night,

671
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: it's with the entire process that to me reeks of

672
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: the NBA not really wanting to get it right. They

673
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: wanted to look like they want to get it right,

674
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: but they wouldn't do it this way if they wanted

675
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: to get it right. That's what I'm thinking. We got

676
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: more time for this, we do, and we're live in

677
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios. We also got to talk

678
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: about George Pickens to the Boys. We will next.

679
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Sports Radio.

680
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: There we go, and we're broadcasting live in the Fox

681
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios, and getting into it about officiating in

682
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: the NBA playoffs is kind of taking us away from

683
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: the NBA playoff game that's being played right now. And

684
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: I know I told you earlier and I believe this

685
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: twenty point leads in the first half don't mean what

686
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: they used to. They go away a lot. But if

687
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: you get north of twenty five, now we're starting to

688
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: Now we're starting to warm up fat ladies all around

689
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: the world. And right now it's twenty three, still seven

690
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: plus minutes to go second quarter. But you and I

691
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: both agreed the Pacers waste everything they did in Cleveland

692
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: if they don't win tonight. But they very much look

693
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: like a team that's planning on winning tonight.

694
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: I think they understand that maybe we're we may know

695
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: a thing or two about the sports, thing.

696
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: That we like to t could possible seem possible.

697
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: Like we uh, you know, are.

698
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: Pretty We get some right, we get some right, we

699
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: get something wrong. But anyway, like let me ask you this,

700
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: does it go the other way? If the Pacers do

701
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: win this, are you ready to call the one seed

702
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: done in the East? Uh?

703
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 3: Yes, huh?

704
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: The Pacers would still only have one more home game.

705
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but it well number one. They've shown they

706
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 4: can win too in Cleveland, which is difficult to do.

707
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: Albeit they didn't have their guys, But everybody's playing here

708
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 4: and playing now, so now you're just literally playing with

709
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 4: house money. Right, we just saw it in the earlier

710
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 4: series with Houston and Golden State.

711
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 3: Correct.

712
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 4: Yes, the amount of energy and effort that you have

713
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: to put out to climb your way back from a

714
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 4: three to one deficit will show up somewhere, namely in

715
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 4: Game seven. And it took, you know, everything, like Houston

716
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: just wasn't they're not they're not old enough yet. They

717
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: don't have a player on their team. Now I'm on Thompson.

718
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: He showed up. He is about to be special.

719
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: He looked like arrow up and Jalen Green.

720
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 4: Look, well, Jayalen was the future and now that is

721
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 4: cleared it is not him. And so that's what you

722
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: need the series like that, Your younger players get to

723
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 4: take steps.

724
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: Right.

725
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 4: We saw we saw Anthony Edwards last year, right taking steps.

726
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: This year we've seen them taking steps. And look for

727
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 4: the most part of that game yesterday, he seemed uninterested.

728
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 4: He seemed, you know, not like the guy. Until the

729
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 4: end of the third fourth quarter, it was wrapped. He

730
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 4: hit a button and it was gone and it was

731
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 4: nothing they could do to stand in front of him.

732
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: It was nothing they could do.

733
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: It was fantastic. He's fantastic. My goodness, he's fantastic when

734
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: I look at it, and I actually I got a

735
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: an Anthony Edwards related question to ask you in a

736
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: little bit we work through this, but anyway, go ahead.

737
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: He's amazing.

738
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 4: And so when you're down three to one and you're

739
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: fighting back and you get it to a game seven,

740
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: it's difficult to win that game seven if you're the

741
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: team that was fighting back because you put it all,

742
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 4: I mean, you empty the tank and you you need

743
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: that's when your tank needs to be as full as

744
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 4: it can be as any game seven. And so you know,

745
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 4: more times than not, we get it to a game

746
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 4: seven and then they you know, fizzle out at some

747
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 4: point in that game and the team will the three

748
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 4: to one lead ends up winning. And so it's it's

749
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: it's one of those situations if if, if, if Indiana

750
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: wins this game, they're in the driver's seat and Cleveland

751
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 4: is reeling and you know, most likely they get back

752
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: to Cleveland, they win that game and Indiana comes out

753
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 4: like they've come out today, which is unbelievable and and

754
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: kind of put their imprint on this series. I mean

755
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 4: they're playing with I mean every loose ball, every they

756
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 4: just got a ten second call, like, when's the last

757
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 4: time you say.

758
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: Excuse me, eight seconds. When's the last time you've seen

759
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: that in the NBA?

760
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and they also they have I'm trying to

761
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: think of a camp, but you know miracle run type teams.

762
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: Actually here, I'll give you a compidle bit and it

763
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: might bug you a little bit, but you're San Diego

764
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 2: State Aztec. Oh yeah, two years ago, three years ago

765
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: when they made their run all the way to the end.

766
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: When you have a team that's like, yes, they're as

767
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: good as who they're going up against, but they're not

768
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: like way better. No, but I clearly better, but they're

769
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: right there, and then they just something happens for three

770
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 2: weeks where all the big plays kind of go their way.

771
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: Indiana has had a miracle run all round. They've had

772
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: at least two wins they had no business getting right.

773
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: I mean, even the way they eliminated the Bucks, it

774
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: was like, dude, you were out of that game, and

775
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: then it was just a miracle finish. And then Tyrese

776
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: Halliburton's Dad's running around with a towel and everything changed.

777
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: And then same thing the other night in Cleveland, like

778
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: game number two Cleveland was killing them all night, killing them,

779
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: and then you know, it gets a little closer, but

780
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: you're still talking about like an eight point game with

781
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: a minute to go.

782
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: It is crazy. But I don't mean to cut you off.

783
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 4: No, go ahead, But I'm watching this game and we

784
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 4: just talked about effort, and yeah, every single loose ball.

785
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: Missed a free throw, he got his own rebound, right.

786
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: They got like seventeen offensive rebounds on that possession.

787
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 3: You can this is what I'm talking about. Cleveland is dead.

788
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: Their feet are dead, their legs are dead. It's the

789
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 4: little things. And when you're at home and you're doing

790
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 4: the little things, the crowd it's like cocaine, right, the

791
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 4: crowd gets in you and you feel like you're king

792
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 4: of the world.

793
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 3: Excuse me, the cocaine.

794
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: That's that's okay, that's okay. I don't I don't want

795
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: to sound like a square, but I'm like, I actually

796
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: don't even know what that feels like. That's just me.

797
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: But now to be fair for me either, okay, which actually, yeah,

798
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: I wan the movies it seems like that.

799
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: It's right. Yes, I know some people who have part

800
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: took Yeah, let's put it that way. But No, you

801
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: didn't even need to say that. I knew that about

802
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: you already. Oh well yeah, you know. Anyway anyway, Yeah,

803
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: like if you ask me in this moment, I think

804
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: the Pacers are gonna win this series. Man.

805
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: They look like they want it and they want it now.

806
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: Win this series. The Cleveland Cavaliers, who were just I mean,

807
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: they were restaurant quality all year, the one seed, clear,

808
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: running away clean, and and maybe they're not even gonna

809
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: make it to the conference finals. I mean it's bringing

810
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 2: back thoughts actually of the Phoenix Suns three years ago.

811
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, remember them, Yes.

812
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: Sixty some odd win basketball team. And I think in

813
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: this second round bout out to the Dallas Mavericks. If

814
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: memory is serving correctly, yep, yeah, yeah, there's some shades

815
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: of this here. This would be incredibly disappointing for this team.

816
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: But you know what it does bring up. It sort

817
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: of leads me to the question I wanted to ask you.

818
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: And you know, you talk about Houston there a minute ago,

819
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, they're still missing that dude. We're

820
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 2: just like, here here's the basketball, go go make something happen.

821
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: We need this right now.

822
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: Is Cleveland that too? I know, I know what we

823
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: want Donovan Mitchell to be good. I'm not sure he

824
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: is good. Point they now they're point. The NBA always

825
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: has this happening at any given moment. There are young

826
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: people who are playing the role of two or three

827
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: who are about to be a one and you just

828
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: don't know it yet, you know, Like I think kind

829
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: of about like Jalen Brunson on the Mavericks, or or

830
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: or Shake Kill just on the Clippers. There's young players

831
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, you know, a good player. There's

832
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: a nice player, and then next thing you know, they're like, oh, oh,

833
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know you could do twenty seven a night

834
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: and take someone deep in the playoffs. Okay, And at

835
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: the same time there dudes masquerading as ones and it

836
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: works ish but not really, like it's not actually gonna

837
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: get you all the way to the end. And I

838
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 2: wonder if Donovan Mitchell is one of those guys.

839
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 4: Well, we saw that in Utah and now we're seeing

840
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: it again in Cleveland. And the only way to change

841
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 4: that narrative is to change that narrative. It's Jamal Murray

842
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 4: is one of those guys, right, Because you gotta remember, yep,

843
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 4: these two are connected because what that performance they put

844
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 4: on against each other in the bubble was unreal.

845
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: It was unreal.

846
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: So we were saying we were waiting, we were waiting

847
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 4: for them to take the league over. These two young

848
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 4: guys came in and were scoring forty and fifty back

849
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 4: each other against each other, yep, and then nothing, and

850
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 4: so we're still waiting as a league for them to

851
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 4: be those guys five years ago. Now Jamal Murray is

852
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 4: it's it's it's an enigma because he has the highest

853
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 4: increase in points per game from regular season to playoffs

854
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 4: in in NBA history.

855
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: I believe.

856
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 4: I believe he goes up a whole seven points from

857
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 4: the regular season to playoffs, which is crazy. But it

858
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: didn't pay dirt until two years ago when they won

859
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 4: the championship and he was phenomenal. Although it's Jokers team,

860
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 4: he timely big shot after big shot after big shot,

861
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 4: and so it was kind of like okay, but then

862
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,959
Speaker 4: he comes back to the name year in the regular season,

863
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: it's just man, this is regular and so you never

864
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: really get to get the whole package of greatness into greatness,

865
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 4: into greatness. Donovan Mitchell has all Spider remember it was

866
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: spider Yep, hang on the rim upside there. All that

867
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: is just completely explosive. Utah, nah, it didn't work. Him

868
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 4: and Rudy didn't get along. Now neither one of them

869
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 4: are there. Comes to Cleveland. It's like him and Garland

870
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 4: couldn't mesh. Remember that, you know two years ago they

871
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: couldn't mash. They it was just like some one of

872
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 4: them has to go. Last year they figured out a

873
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 4: way to play together. They were growing as a team.

874
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 4: This year they came took the league over in the East,

875
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 4: and we're waiting for him as he hit the long three.

876
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: We're waiting for him to put his stamp not only

877
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 4: on this team the playoffs, but on the league. And

878
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 4: so we're just kind of waiting. Yep, Lucas come in

879
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 4: and take taking over like it's you know, you know,

880
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 4: Cape Cunningham is coming, like Ben Carroll that you can

881
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 4: see these guys are coming. These guys are coming. So

882
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 4: who's it gonna be? Anthony Edwards? And so they kind

883
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 4: of get lost in the shuffle. Donovan Mitchell kind of

884
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 4: gets lost in the shuffle.

885
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: Well, I do think that my gut tells me he's

886
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: a one that in this moment for this team, who

887
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: would be better suited as a two? And it's amazing

888
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: that you brought up Jamal Murray because that's exactly what

889
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 2: that is. Yes, it's like he's okay, there are times

890
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: where he can look like a one, but if you

891
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: would like to win a championship, you're going to be

892
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: a two. Yeah, You're gonna be a two. And so

893
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: you know, I wonder if Mitchell is that let me

894
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 2: ask you this coming up next, like, how would you

895
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: answer this question? Which of these four still in the

896
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: playoffs has the most to gain by advancing his team

897
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 2: to the NBA fives? All four of them have never gone.

898
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson, Shake, Gilges, Alexander Anthony Edwards. I

899
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 2: wonder how you'd answer that. Let's hop to that coming

900
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,279
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916
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,160
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917
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: your screen. All right, So how would you answer that?

918
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: There's a few different ways to go about it, But

919
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: which NBA star is the most of game by advancing

920
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: to the NBA Finals, Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson, shake yo,

921
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: just Alexander or Anthony Edwards.

922
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 3: I would have to say Anthony Edwards hmm.

923
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: And there was a couple of ways you could have

924
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 4: gone on this, but for me, Anthony Edwards is the

925
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 4: one based on the spotlight he's put on himself, the

926
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 4: King Slayer asking for Stephan I want Steph KD sent

927
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: him home last year, all right.

928
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: Luca Lebron the Lebron, So.

929
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 4: It would have to be him because if they beat

930
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 4: Golden State, even though Steph is injured. Then he checks

931
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 4: that off the list, right, and then he's creating a

932
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 4: narrative that is can deducive to a tremendous story and

933
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 4: an ushering in of a new superstar or a new well.

934
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 4: It's actually his villain origin story because he likes to smoke.

935
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 4: He wants to smoke. And so for me, in terms

936
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 4: of what the league is and who this player is

937
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: to the league, it's definitely Anthony Edwards. He doesn't want

938
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 4: to be your friend on the court. He doesn't want

939
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 4: he doesn't want the easy way. He wants to go

940
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 4: through our all time greats are well, he wants to

941
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 4: go through the faces of the league.

942
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 2: Doesn't want to be the face of the league.

943
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: He doesn't.

944
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 4: But guess what happens if you do that?

945
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is this kind of like when Charles

946
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 2: Barkley a thousand years ago used to do that commercial.

947
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: You don't get to choose.

948
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: Don't get to choose.

949
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: You don't get to choose. If you're a role model,

950
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 2: you got to go to kids' bedrooms, take their posters

951
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: off the wall. You don't choose. If you're a role model,

952
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: you just are. And and Anthony Edwards I do believe.

953
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: And now face of the league does not just mean

954
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: that's the next best player, right have to you have

955
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: to get the hardware and all of that stuff. I

956
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: totally get where you're coming from. But but let me

957
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: say it a different way. He's actually for me, probably

958
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: fourth on the list because I trust him the most.

959
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 2: Like I already believe that Anthony Edwards is an absolute,

960
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: no doubt it NBA one who's going to win a ring.

961
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: So like he's gonna get there. Do you know off

962
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: the top of your head, By the way, how old

963
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards is?

964
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 3: Twenty six?

965
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: Uh uh?

966
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: Try again, twenty four?

967
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: Keep going twenty three, twenty three?

968
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 4: Low, that's what you want, That's what the league wants.

969
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: That man is twenty not even he does three. Imagine

970
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 4: when he grows into his body and his strength and

971
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 4: his full power.

972
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 2: I mean, because you are a big time NBA fan,

973
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: you know about like the debate that's been going on

974
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: here in the Bay Area for the last six months

975
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: about Jonathan Kaminga and if I had a nickel for

976
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: every time someone's like, well, he don't know quite out

977
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: of play yet because he's only twenty two. I'm like,

978
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: so is the whole Rockets.

979
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: Team, the entire team.

980
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards is only twenty three. He looks like an

981
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: absolute pot And I know those guys have had more

982
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: minutes in college basketball, and we get into the whole thing.

983
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: But I always bring this up because I think the

984
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: perception is what you said right out the gate there. Yeah,

985
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: Anthony's been around for a while. Uh huh, twenty free man,

986
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: So I don't worry about him. I look at some

987
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: of the other guys on that list, and for me, yeah,

988
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: I've already made my case about like I actually think

989
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell is really just not an NBA one. I

990
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: think he's a great player. I think he would be

991
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: amazing as somebody's Robin for example, what we've kind of

992
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: watched Jimmy Butler do with Steph Curry in the last

993
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: three months. I think Jalen Brunson because it's the Big Apple,

994
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: because that city is actually a basketball town that's just

995
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 2: waiting for the Knicks to finally do something that would

996
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: be generational if somehow he broke through. And then my

997
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: actual answer though, would be the guy who's gonna win MVP,

998
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: The guy who's gonna win MVP. Boy, they're lucky they

999
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: won that basketball game today. Shake gilges Alexander has had

1000
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: a weird look so far in these playoffs. You know,

1001
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: why why why? What do you see?

1002
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 4: It's more physical, There's not a lot of space to

1003
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 4: get downhill and and form for calls. Right, he got

1004
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 4: a lot of the James Harden and them where they're

1005
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 4: forming for calls, a lot of headback, a lot of

1006
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 4: flail of the arm. They're not calling that in the playoffs.

1007
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 4: They're just not gonna do it. James wasn't getting that call.

1008
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: He's not getting that call, and anybody going to the

1009
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 4: hole is not getting that call. And so it's kind

1010
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 4: of throwing him off his game a little bit. So

1011
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 4: what you do you result to shooting?

1012
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: What?

1013
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 4: Three pointers? I already mentioned that's the easiest shot in basketball.

1014
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: It's also not very good at it, right, he'd like

1015
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: even he is a mid range down play.

1016
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 4: And so it's it's one of those things to where

1017
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 4: it's kind of.

1018
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, well, you know, it's easy.

1019
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 4: To get up and down doing the regular season, but

1020
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 4: when a really good team game plans for you, it

1021
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 4: takes things away from you. What can you do to

1022
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 4: still be that guy? That's the greatness of a Michael Jordan,

1023
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 4: of a Kobe, of a Magic, you know, of a

1024
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 4: Steph That was the magic of them by getting into

1025
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 4: these playoff series and all eyes would be on them,

1026
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 4: and they still give you fifty, They still give you

1027
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 4: sixty three, they still give you forty five every game.

1028
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 4: Shack was like that too, no jump shots and no

1029
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 4: free throws. He's averaging forty two points a game in

1030
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 4: the finals, how right like? But that is how you

1031
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 4: take it to the next level. There are very few

1032
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 4: playoff series where Michael Jordan was held to sixteen points,

1033
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 4: nineteen points, twenty points, right like? When if you look

1034
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 4: at his scoring average in every series, it's well over

1035
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 4: thirty points a game period in every single series, thirty

1036
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 4: plus points. And and that's how you take it to

1037
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 4: the next level. Can you take your talents MVP or

1038
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 4: not and take it to the next level? Is there

1039
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 4: a higher level you can go then regular season MVP?

1040
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 4: Well yeah, the greats have shown this there is that's

1041
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 4: the point when Kareem got old and they went to

1042
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 4: Magic and said, hey, you gotta score more. Okay, now,

1043
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 4: just having thirty points a game, like, can you take

1044
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 4: as a great an MVP. Can you take it to

1045
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 4: the next level? And we're not seeing shape do that

1046
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 4: right now.

1047
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 2: I just while you're sitting there kind of laying that

1048
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: all out, I was looking at his numbers and it's fascinating.

1049
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: Man.

1050
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: You know, in that game too, which was pretty predictable

1051
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: that Oklahoma City was gonna blow Denver out. They blew

1052
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: game one. Let Denver come back. They were gonna come

1053
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: out with desperation. They won by forty three points. Shake

1054
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: Gilgis in that game was eleven of thirteen from the field,

1055
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: very efficient, only attempted two three pointers, made one of them,

1056
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: thirty four points, hit all eleven of his free throws.

1057
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: He was beautiful outside of that game. Oh my goodness,

1058
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. This man who shot fifty two percent

1059
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: from the field in the regular season is shooting forty

1060
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: three point eight percent in the playoffs. And that's with

1061
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: that game that I just mentioned as part of it helped.

1062
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: He has gone from a thirty seven and a half

1063
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: percent three point shooter to twenty six point two. He's

1064
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: gone from averaging just under thirty three points a game

1065
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: to averaging twenty seven and a half. Now, that's all

1066
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: stats and physical defense and scores are lower and all

1067
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: of that, and I understand, I totally get it. But

1068
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: at the same time, Shay looks like you just said,

1069
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: like he's searching because what he tends to do in

1070
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: the regular season has kind of been siphoned off, and

1071
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: so he may survive this series. I think he probably

1072
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: will because of their win today and who knows where

1073
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: they're going to go from here. But Shay Gilgess is

1074
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: the one who won sixty something games, He's the one

1075
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,479
Speaker 2: who won the MVP. He's the word I is going

1076
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 2: to win the MVP. He's the one who is supposed

1077
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: to go to the NBA Finals this year, and if

1078
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: he doesn't, the conversation will change. So that's like, and

1079
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: I like the way you said it. Man, there's a

1080
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: few ways to answer that question. You answered it one way.

1081
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: I kind of take a different angle on this. Shaye

1082
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 2: kind of needs this to me more than Anthony, at

1083
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: least in this moment. Kind of how like right now

1084
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: we kind of like we don't we don't just want

1085
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: Martin Weis. We need them, we need him, We need

1086
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: Martin Weiss. So let's get some Martin Weiss. Let's find

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: out what's trending right now on Fox Sports.

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01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 3: Radio singing a different tune there?

1089
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 7: Huh, we need you, you know, I do want to

1090
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 7: ask you this because you talked about how twenty point

1091
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 7: leads just evaporate in the NBA like like water in

1092
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 7: the desert, and I agree with you.

1093
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 3: How do you feel about forty one point leads?

1094
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: Not so much?

1095
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 3: That's so much.

1096
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick the Pacers to win this game. Martin.

1097
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: Hey, you know what bold statement there, Mark Wheel.

1098
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 6: That's what people tuned in the Fox Shorts radio for

1099
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 6: going out on a limb like that. Right now, it's

1100
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 6: eighty to thirty nine the scoring Game four the Pacers,

1101
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 6: h what is it?

1102
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 3: Commanding three to one game lead? Eminent? Right now? I

1103
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: have a commanding lead in game four.

1104
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 6: They do leave the series two games one right now,

1105
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 6: but it would take a mirror to come back from

1106
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 6: thirty nine, from forty one down eighty to thirty nine

1107
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 6: to score. Miles Turner has eighteen points. Let's see, Tyres

1108
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 6: Halliburton's got eleven. He's missed, He's got eleven. Here on

1109
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 6: fifty percent from the floor. Pascal Siakam with twelve, obi

1110
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 6: topping with thirteen the Cavalier side of things, the only

1111
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 6: player in double figures is Donovan Mitchell with twelve points.

1112
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 6: Took him eleven shots to get there. In the NHL,

1113
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 6: the Star midway in the second intermission. That's the way

1114
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 6: to say that Florida Panthers have a one to nothing

1115
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 6: lead over the Maple Leafs going in Game four. Here,

1116
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 6: the Maple Leafs lead the series two games to one.

1117
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 6: Earlier today we saw a five to to win the

1118
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 6: Stars over the Jets at three goals in the third

1119
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 6: period to break a two to two tie.

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01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 3: The Stars take a two to one series lead.

1121
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: There.

1122
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 6: In Major League Baseball, the Colorado Rockies lost twenty one

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01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 6: to nothing on Saturday, and today Bud Black lost his

1124
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 6: job despite the team winning his winning their seventh game

1125
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 6: of the season, they beat the pre nine to three,

1126
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 6: but Bud Black relieved of his duties. Kyle Schwarber has

1127
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 6: two home runs in Sunday Night Baseball right now, as

1128
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 6: the Guardians are going into their last gasp pier going

1129
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 6: to the bottom of the ninth inning trailing Philadelphia three

1130
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 6: to nothing. Earlier today we start Mookie Betch and Freddie

1131
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 6: Freeman both hit down home runs.

1132
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 3: Dodgers beat the Diamondbacks eight to one.

1133
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: Back to you guys, all right, man, thank you, Martin,

1134
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: appreciate it, great stuff. I got a question for you

1135
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: as he lays out what's going on in Indiana right

1136
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: now with with the Pacers up eighty two thirty nine. Now, look,

1137
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: you're facing the three to one deficit. But if I

1138
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 2: am Kenny Atkinson, the coach of the year, I'm pulling

1139
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 2: everybody right now, I'm pulling them Donovant, in fact, if

1140
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: this is even possible, give me Donovan, Mitchell, Darius Garland,

1141
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 2: Evan Mobley. Who else do I want to grab? Who

1142
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: else do I want to grab? Let me take a

1143
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: look at this, Jared Allen and maybe another key player

1144
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: or two, and I'm I'm gonna call my travel secretary.

1145
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: Putting them on a plane in an hour. Those guys

1146
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 3: out of here.

1147
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: In an hour. We will see you back in Cleveland

1148
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 2: for Game five, because that game is forty eight hours away.

1149
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: And multiple NBA coaches i've heard talk on situations like

1150
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: this say that, you know the difference between playing twenty

1151
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: two minutes a night versus forty minutes a night in

1152
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: these playoffs is monstrous in terms of the recovery. If

1153
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: they say it, I've no choice to believe it. I've

1154
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: never done it before, so I gotta believe them. And

1155
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: if that's the case, dude, I hate to say it,

1156
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: but you are now officially playing for a seven game series.

1157
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: You're playing for a three game win streak. I am

1158
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 2: not putting those guys out on the floor in the second.

1159
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 3: Half and do it and win with them, right, But

1160
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 3: I bet he will of course?

1161
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 2: Why why is that politics? No? But you you have

1162
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 2: no chance to win this game.

1163
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 4: Well, because most people don't want to hear that you

1164
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 4: essentially pulled the plug or you didn't no matter what

1165
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 4: the deficit is. Nobody wants to hear, oh, you quit

1166
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 4: on the team, you gave up. Nobody wants to answer

1167
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 4: that question at the press conference at the end of

1168
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 4: the game, like, hey, where are the guys? And he

1169
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 4: was like, oh no, I sent him home at halftime, right,

1170
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to answer that as all of those guys

1171
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 4: you mentioned are out here in the game except for

1172
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell.

1173
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mitchell's not. Mitchell's not starting the second half. Interesting,

1174
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 2: but but you're right, Mobley, Alan, Darius Garland. They are.

1175
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 2: So there's some sort of like, I don't know, some

1176
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: sort of concoction here that that Adkinson is playing with.

1177
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 4: Something's going on, something, Maybe he's gonna get I'll give

1178
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 4: you guys five minutes.

1179
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 3: See what you can do.

1180
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 2: Well. Famously, that was the conversation Game five in Houston,

1181
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: Warriors up three games to one, dude difference because they're up,

1182
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 2: they're up in the series. But what are they down

1183
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 2: at halftime? I think it was twenty seven or something

1184
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: like that, And Steve Kerr said, as they're walking off

1185
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: the court at halftime, he said, I didn't even need

1186
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 2: to bring up the subject. I just looked at Draymond

1187
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 2: and went, what do you think? And he said Draymond

1188
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: Green looked at him and goes five minutes. In other words,

1189
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: come back out of the court, give it five minutes.

1190
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: If you can cut that twenty seven point lead to

1191
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 2: seventeen or fifteen, okay, let's go for it. If not,

1192
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 2: night night, and we'll see you for Game six. And

1193
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: that's what they did, and then they lost Game six too.

1194
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: But as you I think, I love what you said.

1195
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 2: There's something in the human existence that I don't think

1196
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: can be fixed, which is that when you're down and

1197
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: you draw even you relax, Yeah, you feel like your

1198
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: goal has been achieved, and it's not your goal. Your

1199
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: goal is to win. But as you're trying to come back,

1200
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 2: your goal changes to let's just get let's catch up,

1201
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: and then you catch up and then you totally drop

1202
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: your shoulders and then go ahead and lose. Anyway, happens

1203
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: all the time. That's what happened to Houston.

1204
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 3: Yep.

1205
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 4: Like there you do run out of gas, like you do,

1206
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 4: and so it's hard. You gotta think. This is what

1207
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 4: I tell my teams when I coach, No matter what

1208
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 4: we're down by, we're very rarely down. And look, and

1209
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 4: I'm not just saying that, I'll give you the numbers.

1210
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 4: So in that All Star tournament that we went through

1211
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 4: and we won.

1212
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 2: Yes, that great story for a few weeks ago.

1213
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, we averaged forty two points a game. We gave

1214
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 4: up twenty four points a game. Oh, that's that's what

1215
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 4: it is. You averaged an eighteen point one. Yes, that's

1216
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 4: a lot. So when we show up to the court,

1217
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 4: that's eighteen points. It's eighteen nothing alright, now, that's just

1218
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 4: what it is, right and so and and mind you

1219
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 4: the championship went into double overtime, all right, and we

1220
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 4: won that by three points, so you can imagine what

1221
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,520
Speaker 4: we were doing. It's a team. We have a philosophy.

1222
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 4: If they don't score, they don't win.

1223
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 3: And so.

1224
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 4: What I always tell my team is get three stops

1225
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 4: and three scores. No matter what you're down by, if

1226
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 4: you get three stops and three scores, the other team

1227
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 4: will call a timeout. So right now, if Cleveland wants

1228
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 4: to get back into this game, they get three stops

1229
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 4: and get three scores. What you can't do and you

1230
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 4: have to start over every time you break that. So

1231
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 4: if you get a stop, you come down, get a score,

1232
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 4: then you come back down, you get a stop, you

1233
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 4: come down, get a score, and you come back down

1234
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:34,799
Speaker 4: and you give up points.

1235
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 3: Start over, start over, ye gotta start over.

1236
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 4: Three stops, three scores because essentially that could be an

1237
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 4: eighteen point swing because if it's threes, right, if it's threes,

1238
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 4: or it could be a twelve point swing because you

1239
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 4: stop them from getting to and you score two, right,

1240
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 4: so you that's six points for you and you take

1241
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 4: away six points for them, so that's a twelve point

1242
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 4: That's how they do that, right, So essentially with the

1243
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 4: threes the way they are.

1244
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 3: That's a you know, an eighteen points wing.

1245
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 2: Yep.

1246
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 4: That's how you have to compart when you're down. That's

1247
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 4: you have to compartmentalize it like that. It's not we

1248
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 4: got to get it all. Give me three stops, give

1249
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 4: me three scores, and then we'll reassess after that. Can

1250
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 4: you do it again? Can you get if you if

1251
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 4: you do that, can you get three more?

1252
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Right, like sorry, I'm just I'm just reacting.

1253
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 2: I mean the Pacers are just on the layup line

1254
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: right now. The Cavaliers are completely I've never seen easier

1255
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 2: baskets just run down.

1256
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 3: The middle of the court.

1257
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd get them off the court. Can you get

1258
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 2: me three stops? Can you get me a plane? Like,

1259
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: just give me a plane? Can we move this.

1260
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 3: A ride to the airport?

1261
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 2: You get me an uber? All right? Live? Fox Sports

1262
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01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,920
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1268
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1269
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 2: Draymond Green had some I guess controversial at least some

1270
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 2: interesting statements to make. This was after the loss in

1271
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 2: Game two that we want to get to at the

1272
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 2: top of the hour. But coming up next, I do

1273
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 2: not want to be devoid of the NFL. I have

1274
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 2: got with all of our wide receiver discussion this year

1275
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 2: to get your reaction to George Pickens on the Cowboys. Man,

1276
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 2: it feels like, I mean, someone arriving home at Mecca.

1277
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 2: It's almost as if how has that marriage not already

1278
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: been the case to this point in his career. So

1279
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: let's talk that out. Coming up next, Mark Willardy from

1280
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 2: Salam Fox Sports Radio.

1281
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

1282
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 2: All right live in the Fox Sports Radio studios along

1283
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 2: with it from Salam, I'm Mark, what'd you think? What

1284
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 2: do you think of George Pickens to the Cowboys?

1285
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 3: It makes sense for the Cowboys.

1286
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: It makes sense for the Cowboys.

1287
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they're doing things like that all the time.

1288
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 4: I wasn't surprised. Others were like, yeah, all right, whatever

1289
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 4: talk to me about the Cowboy. Well, they all seem

1290
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 4: to always mismanage the off season, is what I mean.

1291
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 4: They place value in places where others won't, and the

1292
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 4: consequence of that is no playoff wins. That's that's what

1293
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 4: I mean by the Cowboys now on papers like we

1294
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 4: bolstered our receiving corps. That's what we needed to do

1295
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 4: in YadA YadA YadA. How many wins does George Pickings

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Speaker 4: give you? Well, how many wins does that equate to?

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Speaker 4: Because when you do things like that give up draft picks,

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01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 4: you have to you have to be able to answer that,

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01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 4: does he get you a win? As your team is

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01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 4: currently constructed? Does he get you a win?

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01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 2: I mean probably probably not, That's what I'm thinking.

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01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 3: So was it a good move or not?

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01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, probably not.

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01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 3: So that's that's how I feel about. That's where I

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01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 3: am with that.

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01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 4: It's just one of those things where it's see, we're

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01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 4: doing things right, right, we're doing we're we're remember the

1308
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 4: statement last year, we're all in on getting better. Remember

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01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 4: that was the Jerry Jones statement, and they didn't do anything.

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Speaker 2: No, and then now they've gone out to get basically

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01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 2: the one thing that they kind of already have you

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And I understand what they're thinking.

1313
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 2: They're thinking is that this is a by low target.

1314
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 2: But and and did they really give up a whole

1315
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 2: lot like they did this after the drafts?

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01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 4: They give a third round pick, that's a valuable.

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01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 2: They give a third round pick, and and and they

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01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 2: also moved down around in the on Day three from

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01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, they they gave up a fifth round pick

1320
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 2: and moved to the sixth round, and so you know, yeah,

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01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 2: they give something up number one, but number two. My

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01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: question isn't even like can George pickings Like is he

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01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: going to go off for a game or two? Maybe?

1324
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: Is he going to make life easier on Ceedee Lamb?

1325
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 2: That's George's statement, whether it can't double both of us. Okay,

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01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 2: maybe the question becomes the ball? Can they run the ball?

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01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 3: Can they protect a quarterback?

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01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 2: Ken mc quarterback? Can they stay healthy? Right? All of

1329
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 2: these but even when the season's overy from there's a

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01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 2: big question what happens if he plays well? Right? You

1331
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 2: just made Ceedee Lamb, I'm pretty sure like the second

1332
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 2: highest paid wide receiver in the history of the game.

1333
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: So what happens if this goes well, then what the

1334
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 2: hell are you gonna do? He's in a contract year.

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01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 2: What the hell are you gonna do if he plays well?

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01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 2: Are you doing sixty five million dollars for two wide

1337
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 2: receivers when you're not running back?

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01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 3: Oh? Man?

1339
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 2: That So that's what I always wonder with the Cowboys.

1340
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 2: Play this out. Play this out in your head, right,

1341
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 2: what happens if it goes well? You like you taught

1342
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: me this last year when they or it was a

1343
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 2: couple of years ago when they got Trey Lance. You're like, well,

1344
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: Jerry just wants people talking about them. And that's what

1345
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 2: I felt like here too, because it's like, it's like

1346
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: the Trey Lance thing. Play it out. What happens if

1347
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 2: it goes well? The hell are you gonna do? You

1348
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: just gave Dak Prescott sixty million dollars? So what if

1349
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: Trey lit it up in practice and you liked him?

1350
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 2: What do you like? And this is even worse, What

1351
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: are you gonna do if it goes well? You have

1352
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 2: to be prepared for that, and I don't think they are.

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01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 4: No, But that's once again, Oh Jerry and the Dallas

1354
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 4: Cowboys doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't surprise me.

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01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 2: He does feel like a cowboy.

1357
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 3: Yeah you think, you think?

1358
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: So there's that. So there's that, all right. Draymond Green

1359
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 2: had some big statements after the Game two loss. We

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01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 2: haven't done much on that series. We'll do a little

1361
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Speaker 2: bit more on that coming up next. Mark Weller and

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01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: Eave from salam Fox Sports Radio Sports. Yeah, off we

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Speaker 2: go into the night on a Sunday. Thank you for

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01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: kind of ending slash starting your week with us here

1365
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 2: in the Fox Sports Radio studios. Lots to get to

1366
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: coming down the stretch. Never mind, the stretch has already

1367
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: taken place. They're stretching and getting ready already for Game

1368
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: five between the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Indiana Pacers. That

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Speaker 2: Pacers are up by thirty four late in the third quarter,

1370
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Speaker 2: as Martin Weis said, one, O, my gosh, yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be. It's gonna be a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: people you never heard of going the rest of the

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Speaker 2: way here. So the Eastern Conference has been interesting, and

1374
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 2: certainly the West is two for multiple reasons. Now, I

1375
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 2: personally think Oklahoma City righted the ship today. They got

1376
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 2: home court back. They're probably in good shape. The vibe

1377
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,799
Speaker 2: in the Minnesota Golden State series is completely different because

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01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: you're you're missing a star now in that series, and honestly,

1379
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Speaker 2: E I don't even know what to expect there. They're

1380
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 2: a handful of Warrior fans I know who don't even

1381
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 2: think they're going to get a game. They think this

1382
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 2: thing is now gonna be over in five games, which

1383
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 2: would be Wednesday night, which would kind of be a

1384
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: shame because it sounds like there's a decent chance that

1385
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 2: Steph could return Sunday for Game six if the Warriors

1386
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 2: can somehow get there somehow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see it happening.

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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 4: I just think as well as they played yesterday and

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01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 4: that was a great game.

1390
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 2: They probably should have wonted.

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01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 3: That was a great game.

1392
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 2: That was the one they needed.

1393
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 3: They needed that one and not to get it.

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Speaker 4: That's why, And that's why I was saying the whole

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01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 4: Draymond thing, and I know we're gonna get into what

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01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 4: he said, but given that moment of what was going

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01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,759
Speaker 4: on in that game, being in that game and fighting

1398
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 4: and having an opportunity to steal that game without one

1399
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 4: of the greatest shooters to ever play, and you foul

1400
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 4: out of the game, I mean You just gotta know

1401
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 4: the situation. You can't let emotion rule you to the

1402
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 4: point of proving something are You just gotta be smarter.

1403
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 4: I have the same problem with Westbrook. Sometimes you gotta

1404
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:27,759
Speaker 4: be a little bit more locked in, and he wasn't.

1405
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 4: He picked up two fouls the fifth and the sixth,

1406
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 4: and it was over and he didn't need him. You

1407
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 4: didn't need him, And you don't have to throw your

1408
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 4: hands up and you're not going to get the calls.

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01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 4: Draymond he has to realize he's created the narrative that

1410
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 4: people are using for him. No one created that narrative

1411
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 4: for him.

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01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 2: Well, I was waiting all all week, quite frankly, to

1413
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 2: get your response to this, because what we're about to

1414
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: play for you did not happen last night. It happened

1415
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 2: after Game two, happened after Game two. This game was

1416
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, Warriors got blown out. They're trying to Steve

1417
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: Kerr kind of use the whole night as a tryout

1418
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 2: to see who could kind of play together as they

1419
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 2: reboot the team in the in the absence of Steph Curry.

1420
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 2: And there was yet another technical foul in the game

1421
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 2: for Draymond Green, and just as always a whole lot

1422
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 2: going on. This one was the similar kind of technical

1423
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: foul that we watched when you and I watched that

1424
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 2: game seven together against Fred van Vliet last Sunday night,

1425
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: which is Draymond gets fouled while he has the ball,

1426
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 2: but then flails and uses that as an opportunity to

1427
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 2: grab his right arm and thrust it somewhere in the

1428
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 2: area of the neck of the the player who's just

1429
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: fouled him. No chance that this happens on accident as

1430
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 2: many times as it happened, so that what happens in

1431
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 2: the game and the Warriors lose. Now keep in mind

1432
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 2: there were also multiple fans kicked out of the arena

1433
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:16,440
Speaker 2: for allegedly throwing racial comments at Draymond on the sideline

1434
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 2: and while he was on the exercise bike. So before

1435
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: we go any further into that, take a listen to

1436
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 2: the only comments that Draymond made after that game.

1437
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 3: It looked like the angry black man. I'm not an

1438
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 3: angry black man.

1439
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 4: I'm a very successful, educated black man with a great family.

1440
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 3: And I'm great at basketball. I'm great at what I do.

1441
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 4: To the agenda to try to keep making me look

1442
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 4: like an angry black man is crazy.

1443
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 3: I'm sick of it. It's ridiculous.

1444
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 2: And he walked off and that was the end of that.

1445
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,520
Speaker 2: And that sound came courtesy of Anthony Slater of The Athletic.

1446
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: There are a couple other reporters there, and that's it.

1447
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 2: So here was my question, because when I heard him

1448
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 2: say that, I sort of felt like, well, we got

1449
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: two story's going on at once here, two opinions going

1450
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 2: on at once. And I heard what the entire national

1451
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: media said, and I agree with it because it's quite, frankly,

1452
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 2: an easy response and opinion to have. I mean, if Draymond,

1453
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 2: what you're talking about is the way the refs officiate you,

1454
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, You've earned it. You've earned this. You have

1455
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: earned this, no doubt. I don't know anybody who would

1456
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 2: feel differently. I don't even know if Draymond himself feels differently.

1457
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 2: He has spoken to this for years, saying and convincing

1458
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 2: a very large portion of the Warrior fan base. Look,

1459
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 2: it's kind of like what Westbrook said when he's like, oh,

1460
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to deal with some turnovers. It's the

1461
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: way I play. Draymond's like, Look, do you like the

1462
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 2: defense the way it is. Do you like these rings?

1463
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: Do you like the way I set up Steph Curry?

1464
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 2: Do you like the way I protect Steph Curry? Well?

1465
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 2: This comes with that, and it's the only way I

1466
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 2: know how to play, and I don't know how to

1467
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 2: turn that on or off or walk the line. Okay,

1468
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 2: if that's your response, that's your response, and you can

1469
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: accept it. You cannot accept it. But there's absolutely no

1470
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 2: question that the officials officiate him the way they do

1471
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 2: because of his resume. However, are we one hundred percent

1472
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: show that that's what he was talking about.

1473
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 3: I don't know what he was talking about.

1474
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, well, what about the way these things blend together?

1475
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 2: I guess is my question. Well, look, what about the

1476
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 2: way that the game looks and the way it is officiating?

1477
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you this, and the.

1478
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 2: Way the media covers it, and then the way that

1479
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: that bleeds into the stand, well, let me tell you this.

1480
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 2: Tell me about it.

1481
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 3: Okay, So two things are happening here, right. No one.

1482
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 4: Is imposing a narrative of an angry black man, because

1483
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 4: if you know Draymond, or if you've seen him out

1484
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 4: off the court.

1485
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 3: There's no anger there. You're not angry, He's not.

1486
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 4: Are there any stories of Draymond in the bar or

1487
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 4: at the grocery store getting into altercations with people?

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01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 2: There's one one.

1489
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 4: Slapping someone, one in him and and one what what.

1490
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 3: One it was?

1491
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was back at Michigan State, right, and he

1492
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 2: open handed somebody at a bar, one child. Yeah, I

1493
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 2: mean very very early, I think in his career, even

1494
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: like it hadn't even really gotten going yet too much. Yeah. Now,

1495
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 2: now people, because now I said the exact same thing

1496
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 2: on whatever. I guess this would have been Friday. Yeah,

1497
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: acting to this, I said, if somebody needs anger management, like,

1498
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 2: they don't only have the anger when they're at work,

1499
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 2: they have it at all times of their life.

1500
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 3: Every day now, every moment.

1501
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 2: Right now, A lot of people went.

1502
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 4: At your kids school, there recital, at the grocery store,

1503
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 4: and he from.

1504
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: I like, because this team is the team that I'm

1505
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 2: I'm around like not a lot, but I have. I

1506
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 2: have had a couple of occasions where I'm around Raymond

1507
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 2: Green away from a basketball game. He could not be

1508
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 2: a more respectful, kind, look you in the eye, human being.

1509
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 2: In my very limited.

1510
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 4: Experience, which it's true, I've been around Draymond. My brother

1511
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 4: and him are extremely good friends. Okay, he's been to

1512
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 4: the office, he's been part of events that we've had.

1513
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 2: Beautiful.

1514
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 3: It was pictures of us together, like so, I know

1515
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 3: it's nice that I yes.

1516
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 4: So that narrative of him trying to give us the

1517
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,560
Speaker 4: narrative of an angry black man, No, Dremond, it's literally

1518
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 4: about your actions on the court. You cannot scream at

1519
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 4: a referee every single play for fifteen years and get

1520
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 4: technicals for fifteen years, and be thrown out of games

1521
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 4: and have flagrant fouls for fifteen years, and then tell

1522
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 4: us that you're upset about the narrative of an angry

1523
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 4: of you being the agenda of painting you as an

1524
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 4: angry black man. That is not how that goes. That's

1525
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 4: not how that goes. I myself have seen the flail

1526
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 4: right in the Houston Rocket series. Remember when he rolled

1527
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 4: over and kicked the man in the back of the

1528
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 4: head when they were on the ground. He let his

1529
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 4: head and his leg come down and slammed the man's Oh,

1530
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 4: I was just rolling over. Remember a couple of years

1531
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 4: ago and the Kings with the Kings and Sabonis and

1532
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 4: Sabonus had grabbed the foot a little bit, but he

1533
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 4: did a Superman jump kick and stomp on the chest.

1534
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 4: Remember the kicking the balls, like all of those things,

1535
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 4: no one, no one made you do that, or like

1536
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 4: what is happening here?

1537
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 2: But I guess like acknowledged everything that you just.

1538
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 3: Your own teammate hold On pleaded.

1539
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 4: Remember last year, his own, the greatest shooter of all time,

1540
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 4: the greatest person, the greatest Golden State Warrior ever, pleaded

1541
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 4: with you and you couldn't stop.

1542
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 3: You got ejected in the game they needed last.

1543
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 4: Year, and he cried on the court. Yeah, because you

1544
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 4: couldn't control yourself in the moment of the game.

1545
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 2: From he clocked a teammate and knocked him out cold

1546
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 2: in practice. So this is all beyond obvious and acknowledge,

1547
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: which is why I sort of brought it up. Because

1548
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 2: every there's not one opinion. It's running during our commercial breaks.

1549
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 2: There's Rob Parker ripping him and Dan Patrick ripping Everyone's

1550
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 2: got the exact same reaction to this. The thing is

1551
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 2: is that the clip was so quick and then he

1552
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 2: walked off. There was no interaction back and forth. I

1553
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: thought it really called for a follow up question that

1554
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to be asked, And I want to know

1555
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 2: what are you actually talking about, because I think everyone

1556
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 2: grabbed it and went, dude, are you kidding me? The

1557
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 2: officials aren't painting you out to be an angry black man.

1558
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm not totally sure that that is exactly

1559
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 2: what he meant. And you can even if it means

1560
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 2: something different. You're allowed to disagree. You're allowed to still

1561
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 2: despise Draymond Green the basketball player, all of this stuff,

1562
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 2: but there are It is interesting that there are certain

1563
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 2: guys out there who pushed the line. Can be Draymond,

1564
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 2: can be Dylan Brooks, you can pick whoever you want.

1565
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 2: They pushed the line, and I sort of wondered, I

1566
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm not gonna act like I know, but

1567
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 2: my curiosity is especially as he spent so much time

1568
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 2: on the sideline that night being called a you know

1569
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 2: what and you know what by people who got thrown

1570
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 2: out of the arena. Is he talking about sort of

1571
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 2: the way that you play slash or officiated, therefore taken

1572
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 2: to the media, therefore sent out to the fame, who

1573
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 2: then think that this is you the human being versus

1574
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 2: you the basketball player. And the way that you're officiated.

1575
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 2: I don't know that he was mad at the refs

1576
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:16,560
Speaker 2: that night as much as he was the fan behavior,

1577
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 2: and that his thought was the media takes the way

1578
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 2: I play and sends this out to the world as

1579
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 2: if that's representative of who I am as a human.

1580
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 4: No, because the media doesn't have to send that out

1581
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 4: to the world. We're watching it. You're sending it out

1582
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 4: to the world. You're sending it out. Okay, we're sending

1583
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 4: it out to the world.

1584
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 2: But you played in the NFL.

1585
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 3: I did.

1586
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 2: I guarantee you. You know tons of people who once

1587
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 2: they go in between the lines, whoo, they become a

1588
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 2: different person, a different person there you go. And I

1589
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 2: think almost all football players, or at least many of them.

1590
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 2: I've met some of the most soft spoken, kind people,

1591
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 2: and then next thing you know, they're pulling people's hair

1592
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:11,560
Speaker 2: and fucking them under, like oh my god, oh my god.

1593
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 2: And I So all I'm saying is I wonder if

1594
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 2: this is a broader conversation than the way most reacted

1595
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 2: to it.

1596
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 3: I don't.

1597
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 4: I Look, there are different connotations that come with the

1598
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 4: phrase angry black man, right, painting you out to be

1599
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 4: an angry black man. So just to speak on this,

1600
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 4: society spent a lot of time. This is early on slavery,

1601
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 4: after the emancipation, after you know, Jim crow To style, segregation,

1602
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 4: civil rights. There is a narrative painted that African Americans

1603
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 4: were criminals, they were angry, they were dangerous, right, and

1604
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 4: even when you were defending yourself, the narrative would be

1605
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 4: painted that, look at these animals, these angry black men.

1606
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 4: So when you say something like that, there's an injustice

1607
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 4: that you feel is happening to you on a larger scale,

1608
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 4: on a social scale, not an athletic scale. So when

1609
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:40,440
Speaker 4: you make comments like angry black man, that goes into

1610
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 4: the world, not just how you're officiated, because there's a

1611
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 4: notion of the refs officiating them the way that they

1612
01:35:54,439 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 4: do because you're black and you're angry. I don't see that.

1613
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 4: What I see is a history of behavior that I think,

1614
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 4: and your team mates and your coach think that is

1615
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 4: a detriment. The man cried when he begged you to stop.

1616
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 4: Your coach sat down and put his face in both

1617
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 4: of his hands when he begged you to stop. That

1618
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 4: is not this narrative of the world giving you this

1619
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 4: moniker of an angry black man. That is, you can't

1620
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 4: control yourself even when you have to and they need

1621
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 4: you to. When you're playing your sport, not when you're

1622
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,720
Speaker 4: at the grocery store, not when you're at the school recital,

1623
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 4: not when you're in drop off or pickup with your kids.

1624
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 4: In the context of in a basketball game, you are

1625
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 4: borderline reckless and flagrant as well as brilliant. That is

1626
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 4: what we're talking about. Has nothing to do with this

1627
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 4: notion of painting you with an agenda of being an

1628
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 4: angry black man. So I took offense to that because

1629
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,480
Speaker 4: that's like saying I didn't.

1630
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 3: Do anything, but you did. You did.

1631
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 4: Now what the fans are saying or what the fans

1632
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 4: are saying that has nothing to do with the actual officiating,

1633
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 4: what's going on on the court.

1634
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 2: No, but that can get to you.

1635
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 3: Well, of course I've.

1636
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 4: Been called everything, But guess what if I know I'm

1637
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 4: not everything, what does it matter? That's the whole point.

1638
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 4: I know I'm not everything for sure.

1639
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 2: Everybody's wired differently though on how they handle that.

1640
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 4: And look, I've been in zones to where I'm a

1641
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 4: maniac when I play. Sure, I spent three hours before

1642
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 4: the game working myself up into a frenzy. Is not

1643
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 4: conducive to being in the grocery store in that mind state.

1644
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 4: But when I leave the stadium, that mind stt stays

1645
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 4: in the locker room. Similar to Draymond Green, that persona

1646
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 4: stays put. It doesn't come home with him well out

1647
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 4: into the.

1648
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 2: World unless others continue to remind you of it or

1649
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 2: chase you down with it. Hey man, look, you're not wrong.

1650
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 2: There's nothing you've said that I don't understand. But I

1651
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 2: like again, I think what he's talking about is the

1652
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 2: blurring of the line between what he does on the

1653
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 2: court and who he is off of it. That's all.

1654
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 2: I think. That's what he was saying, and I could

1655
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 2: be wrong. I haven't talked to him the out of

1656
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 2: nobody else, nobody. He didn't allow anybody to pursue the conversation.

1657
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 2: So one of his current teammates had his name come

1658
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 2: up at a at a press conference this week, but

1659
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't his team who was talking about him. So

1660
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 2: want to get to that coming up next as we

1661
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 2: continue with me from Salama Mark Wheler, this is Fox

1662
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:22,719
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1663
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1664
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,280
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1666
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1667
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:39,559
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1670
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1674
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1675
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 2: off of the air with from Salama, Mark Willard, Hey,

1676
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 2: what do you do with this? Pat Riley did his

1677
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 2: end of the year press conference with the Miami Heat.

1678
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 2: Talked about the need for change and all kinds of

1679
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 2: different things, all the exit interview stuff. One thing that

1680
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 2: he did that grabbed people's eyebrows and sent him up

1681
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 2: in the air, though, was he openly spoke about a

1682
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 2: player on another team, and that would be none other

1683
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 2: than Jimmy Butler. And he said, quote, I'm not going

1684
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 2: to apologize for saying no on a contract extension when

1685
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:45,679
Speaker 2: we didn't have to, and I don't think I should

1686
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 2: end quote pat Riley, who is eighty years old and

1687
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 2: still running the show. We talked about it a little

1688
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 2: bit a few weeks back. How does that quote grab you?

1689
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't surprise me. That's what we surmised

1690
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 4: what was going on. But business evolves, mentality evolves. You

1691
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 4: can't run the franchise like you ran the franchise even

1692
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 4: five years ago, I mean.

1693
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 3: Ten years ago.

1694
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 4: The money is too big, the collective bargaining agreement, the

1695
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 4: salaries are going up, So you can't have the same

1696
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 4: notion of I'm not doing it because we don't got

1697
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 4: to do it or when we like It's the business

1698
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 4: is happening differently around you, and so sometimes you have

1699
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 4: to evolve and you have to keep pace with how

1700
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 4: things are going and how negotiations are going. When I

1701
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 4: came into the NFL, there were no early contracts. You

1702
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 4: were going to play out once you played out, Like

1703
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 4: you know, no matter when you got drafted, the team's

1704
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 4: had your rights for at least four years. And you know,

1705
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 4: if you're a late round draft pick in your fourth year,

1706
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 4: they wouldn't restructure your kind or give you an extension,

1707
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:04,640
Speaker 4: and they would just high tender you and you know,

1708
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 4: negotiate after that. Now three good years, it's time to

1709
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 4: get the money. So business changes. Agents are savvier, players

1710
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 4: are savvier, especially in a player a driven league. And

1711
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 4: when you I mean, it's the same man who you

1712
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 4: know essentially pushed Lebron out the door because he got

1713
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 4: petty and took the chocolate chip cookies off the team flight,

1714
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,839
Speaker 4: Like that's a real thing, Like which if I'm Lebron

1715
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 4: or someone of that statue stature, and you know, you know,

1716
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 4: everybody knows this, and then you actively go out to

1717
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:45,600
Speaker 4: do something to spite me.

1718
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm probably gonna leave. I'm probably gonna leave.

1719
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 4: And the notion of will be fine without you, okay,

1720
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 4: right right, And the only reason they were okay, you

1721
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 4: just ran that guy.

1722
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:08,640
Speaker 2: Off exactly, all right. I actually got more than I

1723
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 2: want to kind of say and ask you about with

1724
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 2: this particular situation. But we're we're we would have to

1725
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 2: apologize for saying no to Martin Weiss. So instead, let's

1726
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 2: just say yes. Let's say yes to Martin Wise and

1727
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 2: find out what's trending right now on Fox Sports Radio.

1728
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 6: The kids they call this B two A what we're

1729
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 6: witnessing right now between Indiana and Cleveland, one twenty five

1730
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:36,960
Speaker 6: to ninety four.

1731
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:37,639
Speaker 3: The score.

1732
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 6: It has not been close basically at any point in

1733
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 6: this game. The end the score they ended the first

1734
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 6: quarter was thirty eight to twenty three. Again now it's

1735
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 6: one twenty five to ninety four with four minutes and

1736
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:50,720
Speaker 6: twenty four seconds left.

1737
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:52,600
Speaker 3: That we all wish they could just as seem to

1738
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 3: end at this point.

1739
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,759
Speaker 6: But the Indiana Pacers have been led and scoring by

1740
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 6: you know, you're having a good game and we have

1741
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,839
Speaker 6: multiple twenty points scores. Pascal Siaka with twenty one turner

1742
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 6: with twenty obi topping with twenty from off the bench.

1743
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 6: Tz McConnell had thirteen. Bend Mattheron got ejected in this game.

1744
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 6: He played exactly one minute. He and DeAndre Hunter had

1745
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 6: a back and forth. Donovan Mitchell still the lead. No, no, no,

1746
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 6: I'm sorry. Darius Garland has twenty one points for Cleveland.

1747
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:23,680
Speaker 6: He's their leading scorer. Donovan Mitchell coming in second there

1748
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:26,719
Speaker 6: with twelve. He hasn't played in the second half, was injured,

1749
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 6: you know, didn't come out like wouldn't have played regardless,

1750
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 6: probably because the way that things go going. But heard

1751
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 6: a report from the broadcast that he is not. He

1752
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,679
Speaker 6: has an ankle thing that they're looking at right now.

1753
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 6: Have more on that after the game is over. The

1754
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 6: Maple Leafs and the Panthers. Panthers tie the series up

1755
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 6: with a two to nothing win. Tonight it's now two

1756
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 6: to two as Game five will go back to Toronto.

1757
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:53,879
Speaker 6: Earlier today in the NFL, we saw the Dallas Stars

1758
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 6: beat the Winnipeg Jets with three third period goals to

1759
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 6: make a five to win. They take a two to

1760
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 6: win series lead. In the NBA, the Thunder tied the

1761
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 6: series up ninety two to eighty seven when Chay Gildess

1762
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 6: Alexander with twenty five points and six rebounds. Neither team

1763
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 6: shot particularly well from the floor. You know that when

1764
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 6: the winning team who's thirty five and a half percent

1765
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 6: from the field. Yeah, it was a rock fight in

1766
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 6: Oklahoma City there. That series goes back to sorry, the

1767
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 6: rock fight in Denver. The Scheris was back to Oklahoma

1768
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,719
Speaker 6: City for Game five. In Major League Baseball, Bud Black

1769
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 6: has been relieved of his duties as manager of the

1770
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 6: Colorado Rockies. A twenty one twenty one to nothing lost

1771
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 6: on Saturday, probably the main reason there seven and thirty three,

1772
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 6: the record for the Colorado Rockies. But they did get

1773
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 6: that seventh win today. So Bud Black goes out of winner,

1774
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 6: defeating the Padres ninth to three. Freddy Freeman Mookie Bets

1775
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 6: both at home runs as the Dodgers beat the Diamondbacks

1776
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,720
Speaker 6: eight to one. Kyle Schwarber had two home runs as

1777
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 6: the Phillies beat the Guardians three to nothing.

1778
01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 3: In Sunday Night Baseball. Back to you.

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01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 2: Guys, Okay, Martin Gray stuff tonight. I appreciates you so much.

1780
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,760
Speaker 2: I got a question for you from So I'm just

1781
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 2: gonna like, off the top of my head, some of

1782
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 2: the more famous holdouts that we've known about in in

1783
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 2: the history of sports. Emmett Smith missed regular season games

1784
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 2: one time. Remember that? Yeah, Okay, did he bail on

1785
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 2: his team? Oh he didn't.

1786
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 3: No, he bailed on his team to get that money, right, But.

1787
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 2: Like, so should his teammates be like, what the hell, dude,

1788
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 2: you bailed on us?

1789
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 3: Oh?

1790
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 4: No, well they they knew that, and Jerry knew. Right

1791
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 4: after that oh and two start, there was like, all right, well,

1792
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 4: let's get this thing done.

1793
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 2: Trent Williams shout out, what a whole season in Washington.

1794
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 4: Right, mm hmm bail on his team that I would say.

1795
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah he did.

1796
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:50,719
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1797
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 4: Why yeah, because you know he was well, he almost

1798
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 4: did the same thing to the forty nine ers.

1799
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 2: Is right. He didn't. He didn't miss any regular season.

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01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 4: Games, right, but he was under contract, really under contract.

1801
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 3: For like three more years.

1802
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 2: I mean, so was Emmon Smith.

1803
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah that was. I think that was a little bit different.

1804
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 2: Because he was in the final year of his deal. Yes, okay, great,

1805
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 2: let's stay right there.

1806
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 3: Then.

1807
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:30,879
Speaker 2: Why why is Jimmy Butler the one who quote bailed

1808
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 2: on his team with the Miami Heat. Is I saw

1809
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 2: him at the time when he was with Miami. I

1810
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:42,800
Speaker 2: saw him constantly get called out for a quote his

1811
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 2: handling of the situation, even though it was often when

1812
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 2: he wasn't there because the team suspended him right for

1813
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 2: not being there. Pat Riley is now openly out in

1814
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 2: the media saying, I'm not going to apologize for the

1815
01:47:57,320 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 2: fact that, yes, he was due for a contra tracked

1816
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 2: extension and we didn't want to We didn't want to

1817
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 2: do anything about it, and we didn't have to at

1818
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 2: that time, so we didn't.

1819
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 3: Now, not wanting the player, how is.

1820
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 2: That different than EMMITTT. Smith or any other when NFL

1821
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 2: players hold out, we don't do this to them.

1822
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:18,639
Speaker 3: No, And I can tell you why.

1823
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 2: What's the difference.

1824
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 4: Their money is not guaranteed. Okay, so there's a difference there. Now,

1825
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 4: so follow me here. There's a difference. Oh, if Jimmy

1826
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,120
Speaker 4: Butler three years ago signed a one hundred and fifty

1827
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 4: million dollars deal, he's gonna get a hundred fifty million

1828
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 4: dollars no matter what, whether he's on that team or not.

1829
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 4: He's gonna get one hundred and fifty million dollars. Right now,

1830
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 4: if for somebody in the NFL signs one hundred and

1831
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 4: fifty million dollars to the first thing we look at

1832
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 4: is the guarantee money. If the guaranteed money is seventy million,

1833
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 4: that's all he's the team is on the hook for.

1834
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 2: That's correct, But that's at the beginning of the deal.

1835
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 2: I get if we're talking about the end of the deal,

1836
01:48:55,800 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 2: like EMMITTT. Smith was under contract and was guaranteed for

1837
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,360
Speaker 2: that final year because he was still on the team,

1838
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:05,520
Speaker 2: and if he shows up, he gets that money.

1839
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 3: Which was different paid based on what he had done, no.

1840
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 2: Doubt, no doubt, And and and I and I think

1841
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 2: that Jimmy Butler would argue, you traded me to another team.

1842
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:19,719
Speaker 2: I grabbed that team that was one game under five

1843
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 2: hundred and completely vitalized them because okay, so he too.

1844
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,639
Speaker 3: I would argue what Riley was in the wrong.

1845
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:31,800
Speaker 2: See, that's what I'm getting he was in.

1846
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 4: The wrong, Ron James, he was in the wrong. Like

1847
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 4: this whole my way of the high this is what's

1848
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 4: going to be like that is not the way that

1849
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 4: in the NBA is doing business.

1850
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 2: Now were the only two saying this, that's what That's

1851
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at.

1852
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what.

1853
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 2: There's handling of this. What do you what do you mean?

1854
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 3: Like the man told him, we're not doing it.

1855
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:59,599
Speaker 2: And he said neither my. Then he was like, all right.

1856
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 4: Then, but we yeah I want to be traded. No, okay,

1857
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,439
Speaker 4: well well you go home? All right?

1858
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, yeah, Like I again, I'm just not I

1859
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 2: was never offended by it.

1860
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:15,640
Speaker 4: I know, doing things to prove a point, you're probably

1861
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 4: in the wrong. So if you're pat Riley and you're

1862
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 4: doing things or you feel a certain way and you

1863
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 4: you take the cookies off the plane, you're in the wrong. Yeah,

1864
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 4: that's that's not I mean, what is not what we're

1865
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 4: doing right.

1866
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:33,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's fascinating that in twenty twenty five that we

1867
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:37,720
Speaker 2: have so many fans that when they'll see situations like this,

1868
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 2: they will completely and I don't think they mean to,

1869
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:44,400
Speaker 2: but they will line up to take the side of

1870
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 2: ownership by saying things such as, well, you sign the contract,

1871
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:51,679
Speaker 2: you need to honor the deal.

1872
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:54,560
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't look like that, and.

1873
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 2: And and the team, and I know your point about

1874
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:01,640
Speaker 2: baseball basketball, these are guaranteed contracts. I understand that, but

1875
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:05,400
Speaker 2: there is also a process and there are rules around

1876
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 2: the idea of what the extension timing is when you're

1877
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 2: going into a contract year. And if ownership is like,

1878
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 2: we're not talking about this, then I will almost always

1879
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 2: support an athlete who doesn't want to put his or

1880
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 2: her body on the line for someone who's like, we're

1881
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 2: not we're not taking care of you beyond this year.

1882
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that.

1883
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 4: Like when your money isn't guaranteed, then yes, it's the

1884
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:39,560
Speaker 4: conversation is different because now essentially that team wants you

1885
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 4: to go out and give the effort you gave the

1886
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:45,719
Speaker 4: previous year, which was well above market value.

1887
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 3: And they want to get that.

1888
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:53,000
Speaker 4: The risk of injury in that in football is you

1889
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 4: don't really want to take chances like that, correct, Like

1890
01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 4: that's a dangerous game to play because the own like, ugh,

1891
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 4: we dodged that bullet, you know what I mean. When

1892
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 4: you're fully guaranteed, when you're locked in and no matter what,

1893
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 4: whatever that is that you signed, that's what you're taking home,

1894
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 4: no matter what. That's a different conversation. If you got

1895
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:17,640
Speaker 4: three years left on a fully guaranteed deal and you

1896
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 4: want more money, then it's like, okay, well, now if

1897
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 4: ownership says, now, how many deals, how many years was

1898
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 4: left on Jimmy's deal?

1899
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 2: Just one? Just one?

1900
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 4: This is when you This is when you negotiate, and

1901
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 4: that's what he did. That's when everybody wants to negotiating. Now,

1902
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:36,080
Speaker 4: if you don't want that player, then you don't want

1903
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 4: that player. Now this may have been we don't want him,

1904
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,439
Speaker 4: we want to try to get something for him because

1905
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 4: we're not going to even sign them after next year.

1906
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 4: Then that's a different conversation. And you can paint that

1907
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 4: however you want to in the media, right Like you

1908
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 4: can be like, yeah, we're not gonna be pushed around

1909
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,360
Speaker 4: or whatever when you had no intent of re signing

1910
01:52:56,400 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 4: them anywhere, which I understand, but look, you're in a

1911
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 4: situation where we know who Jimmy Butler is Jimmy Buckets,

1912
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 4: and so did Golden State Warriors, so did all those

1913
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 4: players on Miami. Eric Sposter knw who he was and

1914
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 4: what he meant to a team, asked God, and Golden

1915
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 4: State signed him to an extension.

1916
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,839
Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, they did two more years after this one.

1917
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 4: Right, he walked in and they were like, oh no,

1918
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 4: this is different, this is different. And so yeah, you

1919
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 4: can build on a player like that.

1920
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 3: You can. He can take over games.

1921
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 4: He can put you in position to do something great,

1922
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 4: especially in the playoffs. And he's showing that. I mean,

1923
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 4: he's been phenomenal with Golden State. Increased their defensive prowess

1924
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:44,799
Speaker 4: which was already high, increased their scoring output when Steph

1925
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:47,880
Speaker 4: goes to the bench, things that they struggled with. He's

1926
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:50,360
Speaker 4: a leader in the locker room. The relationship him and

1927
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 4: Buddy he'll have together. I can watch them all day

1928
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 4: every day, But that comes with the chemistry that comes

1929
01:53:57,400 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 4: with the with who Jimmy Butler is.

1930
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 3: He's hard, he's rough, but he likes to win.

1931
01:54:02,439 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 4: And when you're in a situation where you don't feel

1932
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Speaker 4: as a player at everybody else's is on the same page,

1933
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Speaker 4: then you get a little prickly. He was prickly in Chicago,

1934
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Speaker 4: Remember he got prickly in Minnesota. Prickly everywhere has ever been,

1935
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Speaker 4: you know, and so you gotta know that's what you're

1936
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Speaker 4: signing up for when you sign up for Jimmy Butler.

1937
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Speaker 2: Speaking of injuries and contracts and the NFL, that was

1938
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Speaker 2: some pretty big news that came out yesterday and and

1939
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Speaker 2: his left one franchise totally naked. We'll get to that

1940
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Speaker 2: coming up next with e from Salama, Mark Willard. It's

1941
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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

1943
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1944
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1945
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1946
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1947
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1948
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Speaker 2: every Saturday and Sunday morning right here on Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: radio and the iHeartRadio app. Okay, big man, how the

1951
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Speaker 2: hell did the Saints end up here? I mean, it's

1952
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Speaker 2: not like we didn't get a clue about this a

1953
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Speaker 2: few months ago, well before the draft, and you know,

1954
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Speaker 2: maybe they're just maybe they're just isn't uh or weren't

1955
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Speaker 2: great quarterback prospects in the draft according to the Saints.

1956
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's kind of how they played it. But we

1957
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 2: started to get word of, like things threatening Derek Carr's

1958
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:55,680
Speaker 2: season a couple of months ago. They did grab this kid,

1959
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Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck the last name that you don't like.

1960
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Speaker 3: Oh shucks.

1961
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Speaker 2: Because it's completely misspelled, but whatever, and they grab him,

1962
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Speaker 2: what I think, in round two of the of the draft.

1963
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Speaker 2: But Derek Carr is retired and the Saints have Tyler

1964
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Speaker 2: Shutt and Spencer Rattler and Jake Hayner. Oh goodness boy,

1965
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Speaker 2: if I like, I mean, sign me up for season tickets.

1966
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Speaker 2: I just that's all NFL teams get caught, I know.

1967
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Speaker 2: And then sometimes maybe they've already got their eye on

1968
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Speaker 2: a prospect in the draft for next year. Maybe, but

1969
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Speaker 2: it sort of feels like they split the difference, like

1970
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Speaker 2: they use the second round pick on the position but

1971
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Speaker 2: it also doesn't feel like they were all in on

1972
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Speaker 2: finding a quarterback. And you can't do that. Gosh, you

1973
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Speaker 2: can't do that. I'm still sitting here wonder what the

1974
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Speaker 2: hell the Pittsburgh Steelers are doing, Like, what are you doing?

1975
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but.

1976
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to, you know,

1977
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Speaker 4: reach out to teams like the Bear I mean the

1978
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Speaker 4: Browns and and I think I think the Browns put

1979
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Speaker 4: themselves in a position to where, you know, teams will

1980
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Speaker 4: be looking to acquire one of the nine quarterbacks that

1981
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Speaker 4: they have.

1982
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Speaker 3: At some point.

1983
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Speaker 2: And what happened to Kirk Cousins. I mean, the Falcons

1984
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Speaker 2: are not going to send him in the division, but

1985
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Speaker 2: what happened to that situation? Yeah, they're just gonna sit there.

1986
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Speaker 4: No, I was surmised that someone will be reaching out

1987
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Speaker 4: trying to acquire it. It'll be some movement. The Saints

1988
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Speaker 4: can't go into the season with all shucks and and

1989
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Speaker 4: Spencer Rattler.

1990
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Speaker 2: Or or or do they want to make a call

1991
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Speaker 2: to Aaron Rodgers? Oh well yeah, I mean they weren't

1992
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Speaker 2: in the mix, but now they're in the mix, right

1993
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Speaker 2: and said he doesn't care when he gets paid.

1994
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, most sought after free agent,

1995
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Speaker 4: after free agencies and after the draft.

1996
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Speaker 2: I guess, I just I honestly, that's where my head goes.

1997
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Speaker 2: The NFL is such incredible theater that it's like I

1998
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Speaker 2: get that there's teams that are down, there's teams that

1999
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Speaker 2: are up. There's things that you know, there's things that

2000
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Speaker 2: you don't. You can't start the season when everybody knows

2001
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Speaker 2: like you don't, like you just ignored. It's like what

2002
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 2: the Raiders did last year. You can't ignore the position.

2003
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:54,520
Speaker 2: Like that's the whole. It's the head of the beast,

2004
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Speaker 2: it's the star of the show.

2005
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just because you're ignored, it doesn't mean it's gonna

2006
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Speaker 3: go away, right.

2007
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Speaker 2: I mean I think it gets, it gets worse.

2008
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Speaker 4: So I the less attention you paid pay to it

2009
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:09,480
Speaker 4: where it gets right.

2010
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Speaker 2: So like a relationship man, that whole that the whole

2011
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:17,839
Speaker 2: division in many ways feels like it's almost been quarterback

2012
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Speaker 2: repellent for a few years now. And I know they've

2013
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:22,880
Speaker 2: got some things going on, and Baker has done better,

2014
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,600
Speaker 2: and now Pennix is in the division, and you know

2015
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:28,120
Speaker 2: old Bryce Young showed a little pop or whatever. But

2016
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Speaker 2: I Yeah, I just feel bad for those for those

2017
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Speaker 2: fans when you know you're offering names that you know

2018
01:59:37,240 --> 01:59:38,000
Speaker 2: are not the guy.

2019
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Speaker 3: All the old paper bags coming back.

2020
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Speaker 2: Oh man, they were there for a long time. He

2021
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Speaker 2: ain't the long time. Hey Man, great to talk to

2022
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Speaker 2: you again.

2023
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Happy Mother's Day all.

2024
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Happy Mother's Day to everybody out there playing and spend.

2025
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Speaker 2: You're coming up next on Fox Sports Radio.