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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. It was a weekend of chills, thrills,

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Speaker 1: spills and probably pills. Hello everyone, it is time for

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat. I am one half of your hosting duo.

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Speaker 1: I am Luke Thomas. I'm from CBS Sports and sometimes Showtime.

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Speaker 1: I join you from the Capitol and list start us on,

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Speaker 1: need us with my partner in crime, the Crown Prince

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Speaker 1: of ct the Crown Prince of CTE as well.

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Speaker 2: Believe that it is my coming soon, coming soon.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is my friend and yours. It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: What's up, b C?

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Speaker 2: I mean, can I get CTE from years of shitty dieting? Probably, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I've got a black liver from it. It feels great

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Speaker 2: to be back, Luke. I may not have been able

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Speaker 2: this weekend, Luke, you were rock hard with emotion, as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you last for longer than four hours, call

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Speaker 1: Friday you had something pretty special, Saturday had something pretty special.

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Speaker 1: Then the big boxing fight yesterday would all that.

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Speaker 2: A freaking weekend where I come from, Luke, you know

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Speaker 1: I understand. We'll get to all of that and then

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Speaker 1: So about thirty minutes ago, yeah, roughly thirty minutes ago,

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Speaker 3: The official Tommy Fury is boxing's biggest bitch.

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Speaker 2: He has pulled out of the fight.

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Speaker 2: Getting paid millions of dollars to fight me.

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Speaker 3: I fought with the broken nose.

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Speaker 2: I fought sick.

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Speaker 3: Pressure got to him, the shit talk got to him.

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Speaker 2: We called him up. We were like, hey, you want

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Speaker 2: I'll take the fight. Let's do the rematch.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you guys. There is official Tommy Fury is.

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Speaker 1: Boxing's biggest all right, so there you have it.

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Speaker 2: Medical condition, Jake. You know, you could probably get a

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Speaker 1: Why would what would make you believe that you would

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Speaker 2: Tyron Woodley was more focused in his pro debut in

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Speaker 2: I think there were key moments where he had Jake

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Speaker 2: I think Woodley, when you look back on that, he

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Speaker 2: assumed he would be, given his lack of specific boxing

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Speaker 2: I think, if you're Tyron Woodley, you go. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see fireworks sometimes. Luke, you see

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Speaker 2: Look? Look when Tyron Woodley let his hands go, he

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Speaker 2: I don't know how he can go into this two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two more thoughts on this, and I guess we

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Speaker 1: I know that he tried to make a that this

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Speaker 2: This guy calling to Jake and little I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. You can not go into a fight.

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Speaker 2: This is Tyer Woodley's last chance to be in something

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Speaker 1: If that doesn't mean anything, that doesn't mean a damn thing, dude.

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Speaker 1: Why hasn't he done that the last four fights? Then?

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's hard to know exactly what to

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Speaker 2: There's a good chance that your microphone probably hasn't been

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Speaker 1: Listen, You've heard me, and that's all that matters. That's

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Speaker 1: The slight switch and adjustments, Let me ask the question BC.

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Speaker 2: For Fox matter, Luke I'm gonna answer, yes, right answer.

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Speaker 1: I know you will. That's fine. I don't mind that.

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Speaker 2: I think neither. I think the story of the fight

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Speaker 2: he looked like the best band of weight in the world.

433
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Speaker 2: Everything he did was precise and technical and hard. Look,

434
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Speaker 2: everything he landed was heavy. He looked like a million dollars.

435
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 2: In fact, he made Sergio Pettis really look like a

436
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 2: second class citizen in comparison to him. It sort of made,

437
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 2: you know, Bellatour look almost downgraded, Like, okay, Pedestal, great

438
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 2: beat in Archiletta, but did we overrate that? And then

439
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 2: just like that, Pettish flips the scripts. So what do

440
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,479
Speaker 2: I learn from that? I learned from that again another

441
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 2: lesson that this sport is heartbreaking and brutal and unpredictable

442
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,639
Speaker 2: and amazing that this can happen, that this was possible.

443
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 2: And I think the statements you echoed on Twitter and

444
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 2: others as well, especially the guys who have been in

445
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Speaker 2: this game. It wasn't a fluke. It wasn't a you know,

446
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,439
Speaker 2: you know, it was more of a fluke. Yeah, you're

447
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 2: Rodriguez with the reverse elbow with one second to go.

448
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,879
Speaker 2: This was not a fluke. This was a well timed

449
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: set up strike that is in his arsenal. And the

450
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 2: speed in which he recovered from dodging the head kick

451
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 2: and then throwing and landing that wow. Wow, Luke, So

452
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 2: for Sergio Pettish, you saved everything with one strike. And

453
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Speaker 2: the fact Luke, and of course we're gonna get into

454
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Speaker 2: it in a second, but the fact that Belatoor, the

455
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 2: timing of this, that they announced the eight man World

456
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 2: Grand Prix full filled with heavy hitters right before this

457
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Speaker 2: fight happened, that's gonna start in early twenty twenty two.

458
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 2: The fact that this is your your you know, your setup,

459
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: your appetizer, your cliffhanger, to show you how dynamic this

460
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,199
Speaker 2: weight class is globally, how deep the Belato or roster is,

461
00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 2: and how unpredictable this is. We have no idea from

462
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 2: Mago med Maga, Metof to rafeon Stats, to any of

463
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: these eight names who's coming out of this tournament. This

464
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 2: main event on Friday night was like the perfect example

465
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 2: that these guys are so well matched, you never know

466
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. I came out of this, I can't

467
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 2: wait to see Kyochuo Orgochi again. I can't wait to

468
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 2: see the damn gooch Because Luke, for freaking fifteen minutes,

469
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: he looked like the best in the world, and then

470
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: it was over like that, and he's on a stretcher.

471
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Speaker 2: So I can't really answer your question. Was this more

472
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: about a freak ending or more about no? I don't know, Luke,

473
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 2: because Petis seemed like he was waiting for that moment

474
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Speaker 2: for a while. And to Petts's credit, Luke, he never

475
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 2: showed visible frustration even though he was getting beat in

476
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 2: every aspect of the game across the board. I think

477
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: the only thing Pettis did right while falling behind was

478
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: that he never never started to gamble too much. He

479
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: actually stayed within hisself and stayed coiled and stayed ploised,

480
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 2: even to his detriment. Meaning I'm watching going dude, let

481
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Speaker 2: your hands go, I mean, get this guy out of

482
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Speaker 2: your head and at least go down swinging. Oh he

483
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 2: went down swinging, Luke. But he set that shit up perfectly.

484
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 2: So I don't know how you want me to answer

485
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: your question beyond telling you I love this shit. This

486
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 2: is why we watched these fights, Luke, sign me up

487
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: front row seat for this tournament. Moving forward, well.

488
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Speaker 1: I mean here's a couple of thoughts that I had.

489
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Speaker 1: First of all, I think you're right about we'll talk

490
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Speaker 1: about the bell Tor bantamweight tournament that was announced, But

491
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: I actually feel like this result sets up the tournament

492
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Speaker 1: in the most interesting kind of ways. If not that

493
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: Horror Gucci winning would not have made it also interesting.

494
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,239
Speaker 1: But it's even more interesting now given that dynamic. We'll

495
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Speaker 1: see where they end up putting Horror Gucci and Pettis

496
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: in the brackets and how often they may or how

497
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Speaker 1: soon they may face off, depending on if they move along.

498
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: But getting back to the fight itself, the question was, like,

499
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Speaker 1: you know, what was the true story of the fight

500
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Speaker 1: the first eighteen minutes or the result? And I have

501
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Speaker 1: to tell you it's actually gonna be a little bit

502
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Speaker 1: of both. Like, while what happened was improbable in the

503
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Speaker 1: sense that title fights rarely end in that kind of

504
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: a way, and especially after the guy who won was

505
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Speaker 1: getting his ass kick for eighteen minutes, that is so unusual,

506
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Speaker 1: at the same time, here's what's kind of interesting. If

507
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Speaker 1: they fight again. I do think you just rationally have

508
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Speaker 1: to look at the case for Hora Gucci and think

509
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: he can repeat this, probably without the same result. You

510
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: would like his chances to do that, given how much

511
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Speaker 1: of the clock he had controlled and how much of

512
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Speaker 1: the frankly the real estate in the octagon he had controlled.

513
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: But go back to our Friday prieview of this. I

514
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: said this explicitly because it's not that hard to figure out.

515
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Speaker 1: To the extent that killed you, Horagucci has room, he's

516
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Speaker 1: gonna be a fucking handful, And to the extent that

517
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Speaker 1: he doesn't, it doesn't mean he's some kind of you know,

518
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: collapse in on himself. But it's a different fight. Go

519
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 1: and look at what Petis did in this contest right

520
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: before the end of the result. He first of all,

521
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: he was looking for that spinning backfist a few times earlier,

522
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: but didn't really set it up all that well. This time.

523
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: He actually ended up clinching with Horragucci, pushing him back

524
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: towards the fence line, and then going into this kind

525
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: of combination. Why is that important, dude? As long as

526
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Speaker 1: Hora Gucci has lateral movement and he can blitz and

527
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: everything else, he's going to be almost impossible to beat.

528
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Speaker 1: His speed was ridiculous, his level changing was ridiculous, his

529
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: timing was perfect. Sergio Pettis was getting eaten alive. Trying

530
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: to play Matador with this bullet was a terrible scenario

531
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Speaker 1: for him. But when you close the space and you

532
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: make it a phone booth fight, and you force a

533
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: guy backed up against the fence line to exit one

534
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: way or the other. You know which way they're gonna go.

535
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: You're forcing them into a choice. Well, then it becomes

536
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: a different fight. Now all of a sudden, you are

537
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: exchanging here as opposed to just waiting for a car

538
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: to zoom passed to you constantly. That played a result

539
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: in the ending. If you're Sergio Pettis, next time you fight,

540
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, you know, you cannot

541
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: give this guy any space, and if you don't, your

542
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: chances of landing something of significance fucking skyrocket. Despite the

543
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: fact we see that Sergio Pettis foreshore got his ass

544
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: kicked for eighteen minutes, the way he was able to

545
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Speaker 1: adjust at the end and the reason why he landed

546
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Speaker 1: actually makes me even more excited for the remac even

547
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: if I still favor Horra Gucci as the more well

548
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: rounded fighter of the two. I love this fight. I

549
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: love what happened.

550
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Speaker 2: Luke, I haven't seen any betting odds, but gone to

551
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: your head who should be the betting favorite entering this

552
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: eight man tournament? And just for anybody that hadn't heard it.

553
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: You're gonna get the champion, Sergio Pettis. You're gonna get

554
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: Horror Gucci, former champ one Archi Letta Rafion stats who's

555
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: red hot and deserves the title shot off that win

556
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: over Mago med Maga, metof former title challenger Pachi Mix,

557
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: Leandro Alter Hi Goo and James Gallaher fresh off that

558
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: loss to Pachi Mix. Who should be the betting favorite

559
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: coming in?

560
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Speaker 1: I'll say either the top three guys in the tournament,

561
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: because probably Horra Gucci. Probably Horror Gucci. But I'll say this, dude, like,

562
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: by the way, he got knocked out by Kayas Sakora

563
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: in their first meeting and then totally avenged himself in

564
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Speaker 1: the second one, So you know, very foolish to think

565
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: that Horror Gucci, even though this is a bad result,

566
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: and that kind of knockout could scar a person, you know,

567
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: hard to imagine he can't rally a little bit. I'll

568
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: say Horgucci number one. After that, dude, I might say

569
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: Stott's number two. And that's I noticed, like, oh, that's

570
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: so disrespectful to Sergio Pettis, the champion. I don't mean

571
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: it to be, but I gotta call what we see.

572
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: That win was legit for Sergio Pettis, but the body

573
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: of work from Horagucci can't be overlooked. And ralphieon Stats

574
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: is coming like a freight train up the rankings. I

575
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: think those two guys and Sergio Pettis certainly as the champion,

576
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: those are going to be the guys to watch. What

577
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: about you?

578
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think Horg Gucci's gotta be

579
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: the betting favorite. I'm not cutting out magomd Maga Medoff,

580
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: even though I thought he lost cleanly in a very

581
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: fun fight to watch against Stats. He got out wrestled

582
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: when that's his bag, baby. I also look at him

583
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: as a potential dark horse in the same way I

584
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 2: did Cory Anderson in this light Heavyweight Grand Prix that's

585
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: still ongoing. Luke, I love this tournament. I think the

586
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: timing is perfect. In fact, I've got eighty six great

587
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: things to say about it. The only bad thing. Tell

588
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: me if you agree with me, tell me if you

589
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 2: think I'm being greedy. Ever since Patricio Pitbull said I

590
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: can make one thirty five, I want to try to

591
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 2: be come a three division champion and then gave up

592
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: his title at lightweight for his brother to get a

593
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: chance at it, considering he already lost the featherweight belt

594
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: to aj McKee. Although if he wants to chase that rematch,

595
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: I'm down for that too. Are you disappointed that this tournament,

596
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: which is already great, it's basically the top seven fighters

597
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: plus Horror Gucci in their rankings. You would have added

598
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: Patricio Pitbull to that? Oh my god, Luke, you know,

599
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: are you with.

600
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: Me or no? That would have been amazing. That would

601
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: have been amazing. And maybe there's still is an opportunity.

602
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: One probably unlikely. One never knows. He seems like his

603
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: business is gonna be sorted with a He wants a

604
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: rematch obviously with AJ McKee, so we'll have to see.

605
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: But I agree you put that guy's the eighth slot.

606
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: I think they might end up being Josh Hill or

607
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: somebody else with that eighth slot. I'm not sure who

608
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: it is, but yeah, that would have been That would

609
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: have been tremendous.

610
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: I read the eight names.

611
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah they didn't you read seven? No?

612
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: I read eight. I said, there's seven plus Horror Gucci,

613
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: who's not in their rinking until this week. The one

614
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: thing they're gonna name alternates, they're gonna name locations and

615
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 2: dates and all that, so we'll see what happens. But obviously,

616
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: look the way that Patricio lost to m Key, how

617
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: almost freaked well it was. It's not a freak, it

618
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: was dominant, but how quickly given his history, you'd like

619
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: a rematch there. Maybe that's where he's going. But Luke,

620
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: top to bottom, this is a strong tournament. I think

621
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: of all their recent Grand Prix which have been very strong,

622
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: including the sixteen man featherweight one, this is where the

623
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: where I think, you know, you've got three, four or

624
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: five guys that can win this whole tournament. So I'm

625
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: really excited about that part of it. You want to

626
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: see if Patchie Mix or James gallaher can can can

627
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: get hot and figure their game out and get on

628
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: the run, you know, and you've got tough outs like

629
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: he go that. This is gonna be fun to see.

630
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. And the's you know, it's kind

631
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: of interesting. I like that. I like this tournament call

632
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: from from Scott Coker and from Bellator here partly for

633
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: this division because it's just a great way for the

634
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: fans to get a clear sense of the hierarchy in

635
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: the division. Not that the results in that with what

636
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: tournament by themselves are like ironclad forever, but for the

637
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: moment in time, they're good for sorting. And also, dude,

638
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: it's a great way for them to compete with IFL

639
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: or Busy and IFL with PFL for ten talent because

640
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: they're IFL because they're having their own million dollar tournament

641
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: as well inside of the organization, so you still get

642
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: some of the PFL trimmings. A great way to get

643
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: the division noticed, and you get to keep your matchmaker

644
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: model along the way, so smart play, and you.

645
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: Get a chance presumably to fight for the title before

646
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: the championship round because as we always talk about the

647
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: Bellator champion, in this case, Sergio Pettison gets no I

648
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: mean maybe outside of getting the number one seed is

649
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: gonna get no preference. You're gonna have to, you know,

650
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: defend your title in a five round bout every single time,

651
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: so you could end up becoming the champion after a

652
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: first round matchup here. It is a nice way to

653
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: keep it going and Luke, it keeps the the legacy

654
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: and spirit of one Beyond Revenue alive.

655
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, see provokes with me have missed it. His

656
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: tournaments were a little bit different, and I know you're

657
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: not making this point, but I'm just saying for the

658
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: audience's sake, which is that like if you guys don't remember,

659
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: if you were in one of his tournaments, you had

660
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: to stay healthy. You had to fight once a month

661
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: for three months, so you have to be really, really

662
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: like careful in your training, and by the time those

663
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: guys reached the third fight in the cycle, they were

664
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: broken and beaten down. I tend to think that the

665
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: career of Pat Kurran was kind of hastened to a

666
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: close by virtue of all the tournaments that he had

667
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: to go through. So this is a bit of a

668
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: different model. The fan base is in a bit of

669
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: a different space, but it's great. One last point on

670
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: this that you made that I just want to echo

671
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: one more time if we can. You could say what

672
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: you want about the shift in strategy and what Sergiopetis did,

673
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: but I think the point that you raised is really

674
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: the one worth underscoring here, which is part of the

675
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: reason why he won. Here is that despite losing literally

676
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: every minute of this fight up until he won, he

677
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: didn't quit, He didn't lay down, he didn't kind of

678
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: give in to the what seemed like the inevitable. He

679
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: just kept fighting the best he could. He tried to

680
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: switch things up the best he could, and it found

681
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: the mark. Well it work a second time. Obviously that's

682
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: going to be a bit of an uphill climb again.

683
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: But you have got to see here in Sergio Pettis,

684
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: he is not an elite level fighter by accident, down

685
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: in every way, but fighting like he is up in

686
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: every way. You have to love the commitment, you have

687
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: to love the intensity, and you have to leve what

688
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: he brings, champion or otherwise into this belt Bentham Waite

689
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: Tournament in twenty twenty two.

690
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, and quickly I gotta, you know,

691
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: give Scott Coker a shout out. This is a great

692
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: free agent pick up a guy who fought in the

693
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: organization once and beat Darren Colbot two years ago. Darian

694
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: Kolbol Excuse me, but, Luke, there's a lot of talk

695
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: of like, damn, hor Gucci's this great. We kind of

696
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: knew he was this great. How the hell the UFC

697
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: ever give this guy up? Are you in that same

698
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: sort of hindsight madeor mistake mode, Like, I mean, why

699
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: did they give this guy up?

700
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: I wonder about that. You have to imagine if they

701
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: really cared about nurturing the Japanese market, that he would

702
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: have been front of the line. I mean, but you

703
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: also have to kind of look at what Scott Coker

704
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: and Belatore did here, right, Koji Horragucci is as talented

705
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: as they come, and he may end up being champion

706
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. I think if you're Sergio Pettis,

707
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: you have to have a look in the mirror and

708
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, you know you got the win, fair

709
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: and square. But whenever that second match comes, if and

710
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: when it does, it's gonna be just as tough as

711
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: the first one. Probably it may be worse. They went

712
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: back to Mohegan's Sun, though, because I don't think that

713
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: Kioji Horragucci as it stands today is a draw. I

714
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of people who are casual MMA fans

715
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: are absolutely unaware of who he is. I think Scott

716
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: Coker recognizes that, and so the hope is that you

717
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: can build up whoever the champion ends up being horr

718
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: Gucci or otherwise with this tournament, taking him on the road,

719
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: showing him to the fan base. Maybe the UFC felt

720
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: like they didn't want to do that. They maybe his

721
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: asking price was too much. It's hard to know exactly,

722
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: but even Scott Coker, you can tell, recognizes that as

723
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: a development for the market. There's some work to be

724
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: done with Kioji, Horrgucci, Sergio Petts too. By the way,

725
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: all right, with that out of the way, I kind

726
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: of want to ask, you know, very quickly, Scott Coker

727
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: was asked about Kevin LEEBC. He seemed to indicate he

728
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: had no interest. He's surprised by that, Yeah.

729
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: I am. And there's been a couple of those reactions

730
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: from Scott in the past, you know, two years when

731
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: somebody from the UFC gets let go, and you know,

732
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: to be fair, he's also shown no interest and then

733
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: immediately signed Rumble Johnson and jol Romero. So you know,

734
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens as a public negotiation. Ploy That

735
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: doesn't typically seem to be Scott's way of handling things.

736
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: But I would guess from my point of view that

737
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee, because guys like us believe there's still so

738
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: much left under there if he can get right, would

739
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: be the perfect guy for Bellatour to you know, refresh

740
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: and rebrand and see if they can get that spark

741
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: out of him. But you know, Scott Hooker's a successful

742
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: businessman in a lot of ways for a reason, Luke.

743
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would stand on the side that would say, Scott,

744
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: what the heck's going on here? Get this guy?

745
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't quite understand it either, other than I

746
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: guess they feel like he had such a you know,

747
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: a languid exit in terms of his overall performance that

748
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: maybe they want to see if he can get right first.

749
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: But I guess we'll see. All right, we move on

750
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: to topic number two, but we stay in the bantamweight division.

751
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: B see Jose Aldo. I won't say turnbacks to turn

752
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: back the clock, but he just continued his winning ways,

753
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: basically outclassing a game but overmatched Rob font BC. Simple question,

754
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: how important was this win for Aldo? And what does

755
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: it say about the state of his career in twenty

756
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: twenty one heading into twenty twenty two.

757
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: This was a huge This was a huge win. This

758
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: was at a huge win, Luke, Ndy stopped him and he

759
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: looked close to stopping Fan earlier. I don't even think

760
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: it would have been as impressive as a thorough five

761
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: round performance. Actually turned out to be Josie, although at

762
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: thirty five, is not going anywhere. Although I predicted he

763
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: would defeat and stop font, I felt like Rob Vonn

764
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: had a great run, but had showed me enough to

765
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: show me there's levels to this. He's not of this level.

766
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 2: I don't think I could have guessed that it would

767
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: have been this thorough from Aldough, that he would still

768
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: show us, Luke that when he says I want to

769
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: fight for the damn title, even though we saw him

770
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 2: get you know, destroyed by Yon, you know it's possible,

771
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: it's still possible. I love that he called out TJ.

772
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 2: Dillishaw afterwards. That's a fight that all of us fins

773
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: would pop for. But I said coming in that if

774
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: Aldo can do this again, if he can win his

775
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: third straight, he's not this weird period of his twilight.

776
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: But it's not really a twilight. It's becoming more of

777
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: a second half to his career where he's so damn

778
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: lovable because here's just an old legend who is giving.

779
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: You know, some guys get to this age, Luke, they

780
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: rely on the one easy skill if they're a power

781
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: puncher or whatever. You know. I always thought Aldo would

782
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: be the kind of guy who would spend his twilight

783
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: up at lightweight where he's giving up the size and

784
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: power advantages and just taking big fights and just you know,

785
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: because he loves the game. Never would have imagined this

786
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: re reinvention at VANDAM weight, which is smart now that

787
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: we know he can make the weight and go twenty

788
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: five hard minutes because his advantage and power when you

789
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: mix with that experience, that technique and the fact that

790
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: he's still so frickin hungry and still getting better, dude,

791
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: he is a dangerous fighter. This was so fun to

792
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: watch Luke that I think, and you know, Okay, we're journalists,

793
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: we're objective, but we're all fans Luke. That's why we

794
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: have this passion. And you know, we all have our favorites.

795
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 2: Right for Luke, it's like Anthony Smith and CKB Fighters

796
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: one through seventeen. But you know your boy BC over here,

797
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: Luke loves him some Kevin Lee, Jouanna Rose, Giant, vlissmuss.

798
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 2: I gotta push those aside and put the King of Rio,

799
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: a guy who always respected but you never had that

800
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 2: super fan feeling. Just this is such an enjoyable ride

801
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: to see somebody who loves his craft as much and

802
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: he's still getting better. Luke. Yes, we watched him hit

803
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 2: what we thought was a ceiling at the time against

804
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: Pyotr Jan, but I think he's a better fighter today

805
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 2: than he was at that point. And it's a tribute

806
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: to his hunger. Because I said, coming in, could we

807
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: see some grappling from although you and I both didn't

808
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: really see it coming. His wrestling, his top control was

809
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: as important to this fight as his boxing, and the

810
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: fact that everything he threw and landed was so much

811
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: heavier than font. I could give you analysis about what

812
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: this means, Luke, but I'd rather spend this time on

813
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: camera just saying, Jose Aldo, I love you, I love you. Look,

814
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: this is so much fun to watch. I love Benawait

815
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Josee Aldough. I'm sorry. People say ANBC, you're crazy. You

816
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: always say there's five people at that upper room and

817
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: that goat table in MMA history, where's jose Oh, he's

818
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: second class, He's right below that. Look if he keeps

819
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: getting wins like this, the King of Rio is the

820
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: king of my heart right now. I love this guy,

821
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: you know, it's.

822
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: It was amazing to watch. Rob Font came out like

823
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: a house on fire for the first four and a

824
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: half plus minutes of the first round, and then jose

825
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Aldo kind of settled into a bit of a rhythm

826
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: a little bit late and then lands that one too,

827
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: or at least the right hand that sat him down,

828
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: and basically never looked back. Even after rob Font's kind

829
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: of steady work shut his eye, his right eye, you

830
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: still saw Aldo slipping and countering. To your point, he

831
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: was not only good on the ground, he was passing

832
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: to mount and forcing rob Font even if he was

833
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: able to recapture half guard. You know, it's a lot

834
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: of work to push someone out of mount into half

835
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: guard over and over and over again. You have to

836
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: constantly switch your hips, you have to constantly kind of

837
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: shrimp and use your core, and it's a lot of work.

838
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: And dude, he was just on him like White on rice,

839
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: and by the time the fight ended, he had basically

840
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: outclassed him. I still stand by some one of my

841
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: pieces of analysis, which is jose Aldo going to ban

842
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: some weight. It didn't realter his fortunes in the sense

843
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: of where he was fitting in the title picture in

844
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: his respective weight class. He doesn't seem to be able

845
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: to beat Peter Yawn. I mean, we'll see, and maybe

846
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: he's a little bit under the one and top two

847
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: guy in that sense, it's sort of the same was

848
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: it featherweight. But to your point and to what everyone

849
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: else has watched here, the fact that he can beat

850
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: a guy as good as Rob Faught, who everybody can

851
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: see as a quality fighter, I mean, a very high

852
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: level fighter at this stage in his career. Maybe he

853
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: didn't like completely change his fortunes, but just to be

854
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: able to extend your life as a top competitor against

855
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: a guy this good, who, by the way, way Rob

856
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: font is very much at the maybe he still has

857
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of room to go, but in terms

858
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: of what he has shown us, this has this is

859
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: his peak. He has never been as good as he

860
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: is today. And for Jose Aldo to do that at

861
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: this stage in his career, at thirty four years of age,

862
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: to go down a weight class and beat guys like

863
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: this that thoroughly, it is unbelievable. To see something like this.

864
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: It is so rare. We're so fortunate that he cares

865
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: as much as he does, dude, in many ways, if

866
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: you watch Jose Audo against Korean Zombie or Jose Aldo

867
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: against Frankiegar the first time they fought, there were some

868
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: people who had some sour tastes in their mouth about

869
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: Jose not really giving it all that he could, or

870
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, sort of being a little bit

871
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: nonchalant about his challengers. Dude, Now he takes them as

872
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 1: seriously as seemingly as he ever has. He cares as much,

873
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: maybe more than he ever has, and you can see

874
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: it in the way in which he tries. And I

875
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: think that's all anyone ever wanted out of Aldo, besides

876
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: all the greatness that he provided. Dude, it's it's humbling

877
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: to watch a guy this good, this late his career,

878
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: care this much and get the results that he's getting.

879
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: Super humbling. And I want to ask you a question

880
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: because I heard a little something there where you said

881
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: what I thought coming in, which is like, Okay, we

882
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: kind of know his ceiling. We saw although against Yan,

883
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: who's the you know, the top of the pops at

884
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: the moment, Okay, he he was you know, competitive to

885
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: a certain point and then not at all. But this

886
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: looks to me. Now, I get there's levels and is

887
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: Rob font and Yon the same? No, but it looked

888
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: like Josie although looked in the mirror and said, if

889
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 2: I do want to continue being a title contender in

890
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: this division, because let's not remember, let's not forget last week.

891
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: I was saying, I'd much kind of rather see him

892
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: against other old names in fun fights, Dominic Cruz, right

893
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: Favor for all I care, anyone like that. And He's like, no, guys,

894
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 2: I'm not done competing for a title. Do you think

895
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: he went back to the lab, looked in the mirror,

896
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: saw the issues that he showed against Yan that he

897
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: doesn't have at this age, particularly five round hard stamina,

898
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: and maybe fix that. Do you would you say that

899
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: we don't know, first of all, if going to be

900
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: the champion one fight for now, because this division is

901
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: so great, I'm not sure all those done competing for titles, Luke,

902
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: And you know it would be another conversation what his

903
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: legacy could become if he became a two division champion

904
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: and did it so late in his career. But are

905
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: you still dismissing the idea of him competing for against

906
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: the very best of this division? Because I think he's

907
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: changing my opinion.

908
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: I'll say that it would be foolish of me to

909
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: be like, oh, he can't win a title, obviously, if

910
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: you know Yan is the champion and continues to be

911
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: informed the way that he has been, I do think

912
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of Aldo's chances, but to the point you're raising.

913
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he gets criticized Aldo for abandoning the Lake kicks,

914
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: and there's sort of a complex set of reasons about it.

915
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: But for example, in this fight, showing the takedowns in

916
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: top control that he had I thought was not necessarily

917
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: a new wrinkle, but showing an overall willingness to go

918
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: to different forms of offense to make sure he secured

919
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: the win would be Would top control be the thing

920
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: that he needed against Peter Yan? It remains to be.

921
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: But I like that he's got all these gears. He's

922
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: got such a vast array of experience. This guy's been

923
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: doing this since my wife was my girlfriend, you know

924
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: what I mean, And I have a kid with her

925
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: now and he's over here doing all of this shit

926
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: like this. It's unbelievable. So when you think about all

927
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: the experience, all the tools, all the training, bringing some

928
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: of that back around, giving it some new life to

929
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: get ahead of some of these young guys like Rob Thaunt,

930
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: who again is sort of still climbing the ladder reaching

931
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: his peak. It is impressive to see. So I'll say,

932
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: am I a little bit skeptical that he can become

933
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: a champion in twenty twenty two at the bantamway division? Yes?

934
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: I am skeptical. But can I write off his chances

935
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: to a get back there or b win. Absolutely not,

936
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: I cannot. It would be foolish to get on here

937
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: and say, well, he can't win a title. I don't

938
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: like the chances per SBC, but you gotta respect the effort.

939
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: You gotta respect how viable a contender he is, and

940
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: you got to respect all the things he brings to

941
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: the table because of what he's done.

942
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: He's better now than he was a year or two

943
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: years ago. That's what I saw on Saturday, Luke, do

944
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: you think del Shaw is the fight to make? Although

945
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 2: we've it has already looked like TJ. Dilshaw has come

946
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: back and earned a title shot, But you know how

947
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: quickly things change. We do have a bottleneck a top

948
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: of this division. Is that the fight for UFC to

949
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: make next.

950
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: So let's do this. Let's use that question to jump

951
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: to question number three, which is I want to talk

952
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: about how we match make here a little bit, but

953
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: just let's put the conversation together. Point number three we

954
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: had we knew coming in was going to be a

955
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: bantamweight showcase between Bellatour on Friday and now UFC on Saturday.

956
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: So question number three here BC as we roll on

957
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: here in our top five after Saturday, I should say,

958
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: after the weekend of action, who, in your mind are

959
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: the top five bantam weights in.

960
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: The world in order?

961
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: Luke, in order if you have to, yes.

962
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: Okay, my worldwide pound for pound bantam weight top five

963
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: looks like this. Number one, Heyota, yah, okay. Number two, HEO,

964
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: what your horror, Gucci, tell me I'm wrong, Tell me

965
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm wrong.

966
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Brother. He did get viciously chot over the week he did.

967
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: I saw it. It did happen. It did happen. But

968
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: it's not a meritocracy here. I'm just talking about ability

969
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 2: right now in the moment, Luke.

970
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, give me keep going.

971
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: That's two okay, okay, all right?

972
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: Uh?

973
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: Number three TJ.

974
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: Dillashaw Okay, all right, that's I'm with it, Okay.

975
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: Number four, Al Jamaine Sterling, number five, Jose Aldough.

976
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: Oh you just got one Belito guy in the top

977
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: five one.

978
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: Sergio Pettis number six. Don't that's a off right there?

979
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go. I'll go Yon number one.

980
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: I will go. See. Here's the thing. If you want

981
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: to talk like who's more talented versus whose record of

982
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: achievement allows us to rank them appropriately, then you could

983
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: put Horror Gucci number two. Otherwise you couldn't.

984
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 2: Okay, I want you to go on more on head

985
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: to head, who would you favor? So that's part of

986
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: the pound for pound discussion when you rank, right, it's

987
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: part of what they've accomplished to get here. But it's

988
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: also I test their their exact value as a fighter

989
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: in ability. This second, I get Horror Gucci just got

990
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: knocked out. I mean, I'm not, you know, dumb to this,

991
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: but Luke, you know who do you think it is

992
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: the best in the world ability wise at this moment?

993
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: Top five in a row right now? That's how you

994
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: got to answer.

995
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: It, all right, So we're talking just ability one. I'd

996
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: put Yon two. I would put I might put Dila Shaw.

997
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I might put Dila Shaw

998
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: just a terms of raw ability, that's a little debatable.

999
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: I can recognize that's pretty debatable. Three i'd put again,

1000
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: just on ability, I'd put the Gooch. Four I'd put

1001
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: maybe Sterling.

1002
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: There's part of you that wants to keep Sterling out

1003
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: of the top five. I could see it in your.

1004
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: Eyes if you want to keep him out the top five.

1005
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: I'm happy to put him in the top five. And

1006
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: then for five, I gotta tell you to me, it's

1007
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: that one's harder to call because there's san Haagan floating

1008
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: out there, There's Aldo floating out there. I'm telling you guys,

1009
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: if you don't believe me now, you will eventually. Ralfie

1010
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: on stats might be the best bantam weight in Bellator.

1011
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: I think he's that good.

1012
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: You gotta put respect on Sergio Pettis's name.

1013
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: Lucas, and Sergio Pettis obviously is a fucking bad guy,

1014
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: bad motherfucker as well, So that that five slots a

1015
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: little hard for me. But dude, if you combine Belatore

1016
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: and UFC's bansamweight division, there isn't another division in the

1017
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: sport that comes as close as that one. It's an

1018
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: all star squad versus another all star squad. It is

1019
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: very hard to rank the top ten.

1020
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: You're damn right. The only wild card here remains Sugar

1021
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: Sean O'Malley.

1022
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: Luke, he's got to beat better guys before you can

1023
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: rank him because ahead of him.

1024
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: Okay, and we did see something in the Marlin verified

1025
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: along with an injury that that should pause this type

1026
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: of conversation, Like I mean.

1027
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: Just just think about it, like this, dude, could Sean

1028
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: O'Malley's body take as much of a beating as what

1029
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: Josie Aldo has been through. The answer might be yes,

1030
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: but I'm a little bit skeptical that he is as durable.

1031
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: Part of the reason I always say it, man, you know,

1032
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: I've been to a lot of regional level fights, and

1033
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: you see some good fighters on there who just don't

1034
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: have durability or chins, And it's not their fault. They're

1035
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: just built a certain way and they can't excel through

1036
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: the ranks, even though from a technical perspective they're quite talented.

1037
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: One thing that people just don't really understand is a

1038
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: lot of these guys who make it to the top

1039
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: like your Yawns and your Aldos. Yes, they are unbelievably talented,

1040
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: but they have a built in level of durability that

1041
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: we take for granted that shouldn't necessarily be there. We

1042
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: just kind of assume it. But don't. Guys like that

1043
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: are very very special in terms of how much their

1044
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: bodies can absorb. In terms of this is a very

1045
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: very difficult thing. So match make, match make for me

1046
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: top five.

1047
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: Questions about because I don't I don't feel the need

1048
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: to rush through this, Luke. The MMA fans like this

1049
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: type of shit, even if they think my listless hipster

1050
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: real quick. We're right to not have Corey Sanagen in

1051
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: the top five because we just saw him lose to

1052
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: three of the elites in the world, but he's also

1053
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: competitive against the very elites in the world. Is there

1054
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: a case for him in this top five just on

1055
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: pure ability alone or no?

1056
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: To me? You guys know, I've been very high on

1057
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: Corey san Haagen. I remain very high on Corey Sandhagen,

1058
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: but it is obvious that there are a few parts

1059
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: of his game that are in need of some tweaks.

1060
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: He over the course of those three fights, we saw

1061
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: him tweak it in terms of his defensive right sling,

1062
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: not really playing from guard for too long. But he

1063
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: still is a little bit hittable. You know, there's still

1064
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: some things that he just needs to work on. But

1065
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: he is also in his twenties and we'll just have

1066
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: to see. So I think he is from a talent perspective,

1067
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: he could end up being number one here. I really

1068
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: I think of him that highly. But given that he

1069
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: is at this sort of rebuilding stage a bit of

1070
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: his career, still a wall elite, maybe a little bit

1071
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: outside the top five right now.

1072
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: Not only does he look exactly like our producer Corey

1073
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: Minicci in these photos right here, but he's also becoming

1074
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: the Dan Hooker of this division. And every division needs

1075
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: a guy who tends to lose against the very best,

1076
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: because now you can't win every fight. Finally, look, before

1077
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: we get into your matchmaking part, there's gonna be some

1078
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: Morob Davolis chilly super fans going, guys, you're missing this.

1079
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: He's really number five at the moment.

1080
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: He needs to beat better opposition before we coul put

1081
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: him in the Dude, the top five at bantamweight, I

1082
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: mean that is you gotta be real special to get

1083
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: up there. He might listen from a town in perspective.

1084
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: He might get there, but he's got to beat someone

1085
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: a little bit better than who he has, which is

1086
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: not his fault. Like who he's been given he's done

1087
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: quite well against. But let's see it against one more,

1088
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: two more, maybe high level guys, and we could put

1089
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: him in there in that top five space. He's right,

1090
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: he's knocking on the door.

1091
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm much more likely to fall for the flashy packaging

1092
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: of somebody who has yet to actually earn it than

1093
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: you are.

1094
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about that top five there.

1095
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: Peter Jahan is your champ, of your interim champ. He

1096
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: might face Sterling here pretty soon. TJ. Dillashaw's in need

1097
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: of a fight, San Haagan's in need of a fight,

1098
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: Rob Font just lost. Jose Aldo's in need of a fight.

1099
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: You have Morob sitting at six, Garbrand probably is going

1100
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: to flyway at seven, and after that it's not really

1101
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: all that relevant. Matchmake for me after the weekend, who

1102
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: should dil Shaw fight next, San Haagen fight next, and

1103
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: then Aldo and Font.

1104
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: You gotta do all though, I'm sorry you have to

1105
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: do the champ versus the former champ, jan and Sterling,

1106
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: So we'll put that up there. I did think there

1107
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: was a window, obviously where TJ. Dillashaw, fresh off that

1108
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: san Haagen one could have got the next title shot.

1109
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: Injuries have slowed him, and again, Luke, things move so

1110
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: fast and in these divisions that have so much talent

1111
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: that you miss out. Jose Although versus TJ. Dillas really

1112
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 2: feels like the fight to make. So if that happens,

1113
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: it kind of leaves a Cory Sanagan coming off another

1114
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: loss but still being elite against the Morob Devala Chili

1115
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: who needs that level of name to prove that he belongs. Look,

1116
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: could you imagine the style clash in that one. That'd

1117
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: be fantastic.

1118
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: I'd also say you could do san Hagan versus Font,

1119
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: and I think, by the way, UFC was looking for

1120
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: that in previous iterations, where you've got Font coming off

1121
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: of a loss, you've got san Haagen come on off

1122
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: of a loss. They're sitting at three verses four right now.

1123
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't want to burn that. Maybe you want

1124
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: to have san Haagen fight someone outside of that top

1125
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: five and Font someone outside of that top five to

1126
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: push them up the food chain or you know, resort things.

1127
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: To your point, Morob is probably due for a big,

1128
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,479
Speaker 1: big one of those, but that's another option you could

1129
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: go to as well. So I like Aldo versus Dilla

1130
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: Shaw too, Dude, I think are as well, I should say.

1131
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: I think that's to make all.

1132
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: Right, song Ya Dong is coming. I'm just wanting you

1133
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 2: to just remember that.

1134
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: He's sitting at fourteen.

1135
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: Though he's got some he's coming. He'll be there.

1136
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, all right, let's go back to boxing

1137
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: for a second, if we can, bec because last night

1138
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: on pay per view, Dravante Davis had I would argue

1139
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: his toughest fight today quite honestly, against Esac Cruise. Now

1140
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: he gets the I think it was majority decision. I

1141
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: think one fight had it to draw. One excuse me,

1142
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: one judge had to draw, and then two had it.

1143
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: It was ananimous.

1144
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't keep it straight anymore. In any case,

1145
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: that's right because it was one fifteen, one thirteen. There

1146
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: was one sixteen, one twelve. I believe that's right. Two

1147
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: of those anyway, correct, So so you get the idea

1148
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: there it was close. But in the end, if you

1149
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: just add up who won more rounds? The judges believe

1150
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: that Jervante won. My question for you was as follows,

1151
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: did Esa Cruz, relative to the casual fan exceed expectations

1152
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: or did Jervonte underperform? How would you assess why this

1153
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: fight ended up being as close as it was?

1154
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: This? This was such a like the questions you asked.

1155
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 2: There's a few different hooks depending on how you watched it.

1156
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: You could really take any of those lanes and maybe

1157
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: not be wrong. But here's how I watched it. Now,

1158
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: they said the star was born in Esak Cruise. That

1159
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: seems a bit much, but certainly he raised his stock incredibly.

1160
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: Did you hear that crowd? Did you hear that La

1161
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: Mexican American crowd just go nuts for him? He thought

1162
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: over his head, Essak Cruise should get nothing but big

1163
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: fights moving forward because he proved himself on the highest level.

1164
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 2: But I can't sit here in downgrade Jervante with without

1165
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: you know, bringing up dude, his money go punch is

1166
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: his left hand. He's knocked out twenty four of twenty

1167
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: five guys coming in, and his left hand, we don't

1168
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: know the medical result yet appeared to be broken at

1169
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 2: some point midway through the fight. So, Luke, I believe

1170
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: the injury to Jervonte did open the door for Essac

1171
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: Cruz to have more success than he would have had.

1172
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: And the reason why I'm confident in saying that because

1173
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the second half of this fight

1174
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: round six, seven eight, I started to notice that Esach's

1175
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: early success was wavering. Dravante had figured him out and

1176
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: he was sitting in there putting it on him. That

1177
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: was around the time that the Dravante hurt his hand

1178
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: and that it started to become a problem. And by

1179
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 2: rounds nine to ten, Dravonte's not throwing the left hand

1180
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: at all. I think he would have stopped the Esak

1181
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: Cruz in the second half of this fight, which was

1182
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: the prediction of both of us, and I think that

1183
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: allowed for Cruz to have more success. Now let's give

1184
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: Cruz full credit, Luke. He's raw. I thought he was

1185
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: gonna have to make this a brawl to succeed. He

1186
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: found a way to Now look it was raw, but

1187
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: he found a way to box to stay in this

1188
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: fight that you even had some people in a very

1189
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: close fight seven five, seven, five, and eight four. The

1190
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: judges had it I had it at eight to four.

1191
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: Davonte Sergio more on Twitter thought Cruise won. I mean,

1192
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, the crowd thought Cruise one. He fought great,

1193
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: but he did it as al Bernstein was keen enough

1194
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: to realize by not jabbing, he threw what he landed

1195
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: seven jabs overall in the fight, he realized that Dravonte

1196
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: was way too quick as a counterpuncher, that had he jabbed,

1197
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: he was leaving himself way too open for those cross

1198
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: those left crosses. That he did a great job of

1199
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: hiding behind his high guard getting inside. I thought he

1200
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: slowed Jervonte down with body shots and I think overall

1201
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: Cruise showed a hell of a chin. At age twenty three, Luke,

1202
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: he is going to be a problem. He may not

1203
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: be a one punch knockout guy, but he's durable. He

1204
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: gets inside on you, he's got a huge motor. In

1205
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: the end, I think this was a huge win win

1206
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: for the division as a whole. Dravonte survives in advances

1207
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: and showed toughness. Again. You could have watched it a

1208
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: certain way and you can criticize him, but his money

1209
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: punch was taken away from him and he still figured

1210
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: out a way with one hand to win this fight. Two,

1211
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: Cruise raises his game. In three. This division's already on

1212
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: fire with Cambosa's pulling the upset Haini getting the win

1213
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: on Saturday, which we're gonna talk about that. I think,

1214
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: you know, the future is gonna be a lie lot

1215
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: more fun. That all of these fighters are starting to

1216
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 2: look Rather than each of them looking dominant not fighting

1217
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: each other, they're starting to look a little bit more.

1218
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: Even so, whether Jervonte Davis not blowing this guy away

1219
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: was more of what he didn't do, or Cruise did

1220
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: more than we thought, or whether it was because of

1221
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: the injury he looked for the first time, Luke a

1222
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 2: little bit more human, and I think that's better for

1223
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: the division. It's gonna help the other guys on the

1224
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: outside looking in. Go oh, I can hang with Dravonte.

1225
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: I just saw he saw Cruz do that, and I

1226
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: think it has a chance of helping us make the

1227
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 2: better fights moving forward. But I don't take anything away

1228
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: from Dravonte having watched this closely, Luke, this was a

1229
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: tough guy who overachieved in front of him, and he

1230
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 2: fought through an injury to get his hand raised I.

1231
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: Gotta tell you, I find that Dravante criticisms misplaced here. Now,

1232
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: any time we compliment someone who is a showtime fighter,

1233
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: it is inevitable that there's gonna be a portion of

1234
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: the audience that says we are doing this to do

1235
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: Showtime a favor, despite the fact that we routinely don't

1236
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: compliment showtime fighters or have criticisms of Bellatore. So, like,

1237
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: whatever I say here, if people want to dismiss it

1238
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: because of whatever presumed conflicts of interest, they're allowed to

1239
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: do that. I'm just gonna tell you how I feel.

1240
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: I don't understand the Javante criticisms. Now, a couple of

1241
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: things here, dude, look at the record on this. When

1242
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: BC and I were told of the story that Orlando

1243
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: Romero was out and is Sack Cruz was in, our

1244
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: song had been the same since the beginning. We did

1245
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: think that Jervonte was gonna win, and we did think

1246
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: Gervante was going to stop him. We both were unequivocal

1247
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: in saying we thought it was gonna be a much

1248
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: tougher fight for Javonte. Davis low and behold, that is

1249
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: exactly what you got. That should not have been a

1250
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: surprise whatsoever. And frankly, it was Jervonte's toughest fight. I

1251
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: would actually argue he's ever had, certainly in the professional ranks.

1252
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have argued he may have been

1253
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,959
Speaker 1: in other fights where you know, he looked a little

1254
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: bit more languid and the fight was a little bit

1255
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: less inspiring and maybe he kind of eked one out.

1256
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: But in terms of hard fought fights, this was his

1257
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: hardest one to date. And then you add in the

1258
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: fact that he may have had an injury we'll see

1259
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: to his left hand, his dominant punching hand. Lord only

1260
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: knows what could have happened there. And the fact that

1261
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: he boxed as well as he did was pretty impressive. Dude,

1262
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: this is what it was for me. One of the

1263
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: criticisms of Davonte Davis previously had been commitment, had been

1264
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: sometimes making weight. The guy lost his fucking belt on

1265
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: the scales previously, not in this contest, but in other ones.

1266
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: He didn't take any time off in this one, and

1267
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: he had to move a lot because of what Esock

1268
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: Cruz was doing to me. Gervonte Davis was able to

1269
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: stick and move. Took him a couple of rounds to

1270
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: figure out exactly how to find that space. But once

1271
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: he did, and especially in that seventh round BC, I

1272
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: thought he looked really, really good. All things considered, it

1273
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: just so happens that Esock Cruz at twenty three years

1274
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: old is a fucking fire hydrant with his defense, he

1275
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: has a great chin, he is quite durable, and he

1276
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: was in it to win it. It's just that Jervonte

1277
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: his ability to get underneath the hooks and reset position

1278
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: and pour on that uppercut, that counter uppercut right hook,

1279
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: that was just a thing of beauty. I don't understand

1280
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: the argument. While I grant that Isa Cruz performed quite

1281
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: ably and is very deserving of a lot of praise,

1282
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: and at twenty three years old, who knows how good

1283
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: he's going to be at twenty five, twenty six, twenty

1284
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: eight years old or something like that, I don't understand

1285
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: the argument that you can look at that fight and

1286
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: pick seven rounds that he won. I don't see seven

1287
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: round I see four maybe five. If you want it

1288
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: to be generous, I can see five maybe. But that

1289
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: was the overall slicker, more damaging operator. There was pretty

1290
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: clearly Dravonte Davis. He had to earn it, and I

1291
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: like the effort BC that he showed from rounds one

1292
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: to round twelve.

1293
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: I think you're right. Not only did Dravonte outland him overall,

1294
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: so you couldn't use the punch stats as an argument.

1295
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: His percentage was great. Jervonte is always a very efficient

1296
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: power puncher, but as you mentioned, Gravonte did figure him

1297
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: out in the second half of that fight, and I

1298
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 2: thought Gravonti did a great job digging in and in

1299
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: flurrying to the body and really landing the type of

1300
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: shots that get other guys out of there. Again, maybe

1301
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: it was the injury of the hand. Maybe it was

1302
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: that Cruise just showed in above average chin and the

1303
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: biggest fights of his career. And sometimes that happens, because

1304
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: sometimes when you're in there with somebody who can finish

1305
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: you at any time, you've gotta be sharper and you've

1306
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: gotta be raised it. You've got to raise it. So, Luke,

1307
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: I've been a Gervonte protector of late from his ability.

1308
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: I'll do that in this fight. I'll do that in

1309
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: the overall conversation that people don't give him the poumpher

1310
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: pound love and respect that he deserves now again, I

1311
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: think they harp too much on his competition. Maybe it's

1312
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: the arrests outside of the ring, or maybe look, he's

1313
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: aligned with Floyd, and people love hating on Floyd. I

1314
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: ain't gonna hate on that. Here's what I will call

1315
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: him out in his team on I don't like their

1316
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: reaction to the future and to future matchmaking. Dravante is

1317
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: a massive star, but to constantly dismiss the guys on

1318
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: the other side of the street and not even publicly

1319
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: look like you want to make fights with them is

1320
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: ridiculous to me. So Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions,

1321
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: had a comment after the fight in which he was asked,

1322
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: could Jervonte be interested in fighting you know Ryan Garcia,

1323
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: Devin Haity, George Cambosis, the other big big names in

1324
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: this division. His response was, quote, We're not gonna go

1325
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: out there and overpay a fighter just because y'all say

1326
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 2: he's a big name fighter. We're not in the business

1327
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: of fucking off money like other promoters. End quote. I

1328
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: do want to point out there that it came in

1329
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 2: the midst of Leonard Ellerby talking shit about Eddie Hearn,

1330
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: who brings up his name a lot, and Leonard actually said, look,

1331
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 2: I don't play. If Eddie Hearn won't stop bringing up

1332
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: my name, I'm gonna slap the shit out of him

1333
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: in public. Whatever with that. My point is this, George

1334
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: Cambosis just just flipped the division upside down and got

1335
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: three of the four major titles, including the super Champion

1336
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: of the WBC, so you can almost argue that he

1337
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: has all four. Dravontek still has a secondary belt in

1338
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: this division, the WBA Regular title. I'm not saying you

1339
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: have to offer Camboso's twenty five million to fight you,

1340
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: but to act like this is not something you're interested

1341
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: in when Gravante, I mean, if I'm PBC and Eleonard Ellerby,

1342
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: I'm going above and beyond in that post fight interview

1343
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: and saying Cambosis forget Haney, hop you fight us. We're

1344
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: the money ticket in this division. We're the big dog

1345
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 2: if you're Jervonte. Even though Cambos's fought his ass off

1346
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: against Teyo Fimo, that's a compromise. Tayo Fimo, right to

1347
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: a lot of different reasons. You gotta believe that you

1348
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: can beat that. I hate this attitude that we're the

1349
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: money player. We're not chasing anybody, We're not paying anybody. Look,

1350
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: we want to see Jervonte against the very best, and

1351
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 2: unless his future really is at one to fight the

1352
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: biggest names at lightweight, you're gonna have to open up

1353
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: the door to business and do you know stuff with

1354
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: people across the street. The good news in boxing, finally,

1355
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: is that in the Tyson furraor Deviontay Wilder fights, in

1356
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: the Sean Porter Terrence Crawford fight of late, we've seen

1357
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: it happen. We've seen guys cross the street at the

1358
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: highest levels. I love Gervonte's responsive, calling them easy work.

1359
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: That's funny, that's cool. But if your team is not

1360
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: actively trying to get those guys into fights. When Luke

1361
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: although hen you look great, we're gonna talk about that

1362
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: on Saturday. You could almost favor Jervonte against all these guys.

1363
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you welcome it? Why wouldn't you want to

1364
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: prove to everybody that not only are you the best

1365
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: lightweight in the world in an era filled with young superstars,

1366
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: but that you're potentially among the pound for pound best.

1367
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 2: I think Gravonte's got that goods. I think you should

1368
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: flaunt it. Enough of this money in standing behind the

1369
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: gates and saying, oh they're not they don't make as

1370
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 2: much as me, they're not worthy. No, the best fight

1371
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: the best. That's how people became all time greats. So

1372
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: that part I will criticize Luke because I want to

1373
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: see Gervonte against Garcia, Haini, Lopez, Loma Chenko, everybody. I

1374
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: want to see them show, at least even in lip service,

1375
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: that they're wanting and willing to do it.

1376
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: I think that's right because also the other part, dude,

1377
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: is this as a fan. It's like, dude, don't you

1378
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: want me to get excited about Dravante's next fight? I mean,

1379
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: I realized he just fought. You got to give the guy,

1380
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: any guy in that particular situation to break. But it's like,

1381
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: if you're setting up the future, don't you want us

1382
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: to be excited about it? And I'm not saying that

1383
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: they can't find it has to be Devin Haney, or

1384
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: it has to be George Campbosa's. It doesn't have to

1385
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: be any of those necessarily, but you got to put

1386
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: us in a position to be excited about it. Moreover,

1387
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing we'll talk about Devin

1388
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: Haney in just a minute, b C. And maybe you agree,

1389
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: maybe you don't, But this is what was so interesting

1390
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: to me about this fight. Dude, Gervonte Davis boxed really well.

1391
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: He's a much harder puncher than Devin Haney. I don't

1392
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: think that's very debatable, and he had a lot of

1393
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 1: trouble keeping Esock Cruz off of him. I'm not sure

1394
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: Devin Haney can do that. I'm not saying Devin Hany

1395
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: can't beat Esock Cruse. That's not the claim that I'm making.

1396
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: But Dude, the way in which Gravante was able to

1397
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: land on him, even if it was somewhat blocked or

1398
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: partially rolled with or whatever, they're still thudding shots before

1399
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: his hand ever got hurt. That is not the kind

1400
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: of power Devin Haney has. He might be a slickster.

1401
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: He definitely is. He's a very talented boxer. But dude, like,

1402
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: do you like Cruz's chances if he had a healthy situation,

1403
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: if he was in camp for a while, he was

1404
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: really prepared for Devin Haney, do you like his chances

1405
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: to beat Devin Haney? Again, Maybe you pick Devin Haney,

1406
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think Devin Haney has some of the

1407
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: same tools to beat Esock Cruse the way Jervonte did.

1408
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,479
Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is George Cambosis is no one's

1409
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: easy fight. But you gotta like Dravante's chances at this

1410
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: moment in time to claim them. Now you're the pay

1411
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: per review star and you have all the belts. Man,

1412
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: You're playing with house fucking money at that point.

1413
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 2: So I think that's a misstep, and you know, it's

1414
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 2: where we're at in this era unfortunately. But you know,

1415
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: I believe Gravonte's the goods. I want to see him

1416
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: against everybody. Let's do it. I saw Rugaru our boy

1417
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: Regis Brogray, who fights at one forty sort of sweet out.

1418
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, Gravante can say that he wants everybody.

1419
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: But if we see him next spring against Roly Romero

1420
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: on pay per view, well you know we'll know what's up.

1421
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: And I think to a degree, Luke, you know he

1422
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: might be right. You know, Roly had his minute and

1423
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 2: it didn't happen. I want to see Gravonte continue to

1424
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 2: do what he's done of late, move up and fight

1425
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: Mario Barrios, take on whoever's the toughest and able to

1426
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: make the fight. Well, go out of your way to

1427
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: try to make the fights, because then there's no doubt.

1428
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: What did Sugar Ray Leonard do when he was the

1429
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: rising young Walter Wait, he fought unbeating Thomas Hearns in

1430
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 2: a unification fight. Look, I know it's different circumstances back then,

1431
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: but that's what the freaking great By the way, that's

1432
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: what young Floyd did too, took on on beaten Diego

1433
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: Corrals on pay per view and knocked him down five

1434
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: times and finished him. That's what the greats.

1435
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: Do, no doubt about it. And again, I think the

1436
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: real lesson is from that fight. Yet we knew Gervonte

1437
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: Davis was the power puncher in that weight class. I

1438
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: think the skill he showed in boxing needs to be

1439
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: taken seriously. He's a real threat. He didn't take his

1440
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: foot off the gas. He just appears to be finally

1441
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: dialing in in the way that he needs to be.

1442
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: All Right, so let's go to number five, BC, Let's

1443
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: stay with Devin Handey. Devin Handy looked impressive. I am

1444
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: not going to say otherwise, BC, but I want to

1445
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: pitch the question to you as follows. This kid can box.

1446
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: He can box his ass off. He outclassed Jojo Diaz

1447
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: on Saturday night into his own, no question about it.

1448
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: But here's sort of the way I want to look

1449
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: at this. We had talked before about, you know, does

1450
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: he maybe have a chin issue. I actually don't think

1451
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: he has a chin issue. I don't think he's got

1452
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: like the world's best chin or like the most durability

1453
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. But I don't think it's some Achilles

1454
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: heel either. Here's what my question is. While he outclassed

1455
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: Jo Diaz, no question about it, I wonder at this point,

1456
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: having seen a few Devin Haney fights for whatever that

1457
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: is worth, he doesn't seem to show very often that

1458
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: he has that extra gear to go to to put

1459
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: away guys who might be overmatched. They kind of hang

1460
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: around a little bit and he keeps the lead on him,

1461
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: but he doesn't put the stamp on him. Did you

1462
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: feel or do you feel like that's a fair criticism

1463
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: after how well he boxed against Dias on Saturday.

1464
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: It's tough a little bit in theory, yes, But here's

1465
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: the deal. You know, he had a much worse criticism

1466
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: in the past when he fought your yoga scamboa and

1467
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, you can dominate that guy and you're

1468
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: sort of content to jab from the outside. So what

1469
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 2: we saw on Saturday night against Jojo Diaz, to me,

1470
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 2: was an improvement from that type of performance. But he

1471
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 2: just may not be that go get it type of guy.

1472
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: Could that hurt his marketing moving forwards? For sure? Could

1473
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: that hurt him Luke in a huge fight when he's

1474
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: down on the scorecards and it's due or die time,

1475
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: you got to rally back and go for it. Yes,

1476
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 2: but let's give him the chance. We haven't seen him

1477
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 2: in that spot yet to know if that true dog

1478
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: is in him. I want to say this, I really

1479
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: enjoyed this fight. Jojo Diaz. Luke is my favorite type

1480
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: of fighter. He realizes that he can compete with all

1481
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 2: the elites, and whether he wins or loses, he wants

1482
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: to fight them all and he wants his legacy and

1483
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 2: reputation to be that he fought them all and he

1484
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: fought the best of his ability. He made this a

1485
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: fun fight by figuring out how to get inside on Hani.

1486
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: But you know what, Hani was longer better. He was

1487
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: using some of that Philly Shell Floyd's shoulder roll. At times,

1488
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 2: he was jabbing in landing big shots, and I thought

1489
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 2: Hani put aside the chinny issues that you mentioned that

1490
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: we saw against Lenaris. Jojo Diaz is not a big

1491
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 2: time knockout puncher, but he took big shots and he

1492
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: stood in the pocket and delivered them. It was a

1493
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 2: fun fight. It was a close, not really that clem

1494
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 2: mean what I was eight four, nine to three. It

1495
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: was a competitive a competitive yet clear win for Hani

1496
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: that Luke I got really nothing bad to say about it.

1497
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 2: I get your point that if you are this much

1498
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 2: better than some of these guys, do we want you

1499
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 2: to go out there and try to finish them. Yeah, yeah,

1500
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: we do. We do. And if you don't, if that's

1501
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 2: not your style, your personality, it's gonna cost you in

1502
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 2: terms of dollars. But this just maybe who he is

1503
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: and Luke, as fun as that little exercise, we just

1504
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: did an MMA across the bandamweight division. We might want

1505
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 2: to do that right now in boxing at one three five,

1506
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: because we saw Cambosos and Lopez last week, we got

1507
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: Lomachenko coming up in another couple weeks. Or maybe maybe

1508
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 2: it's this weekend against Richard Komi, and we saw Gervante

1509
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: and we saw Devin Haney. Luke, if you had to

1510
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: give right now, and also consider Ryan Garcia obviously in

1511
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 2: this as well. Your top five pound for pound lightweight

1512
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: boxers in the world. Number one is hard right now,

1513
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 2: this is a discussion we need to have who you got, Luke.

1514
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: You know, before the okay, before the Cambosas fight, I

1515
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: would have said Lopez number one. And now we'll talk

1516
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: about Lopez a little bit later in the show. He

1517
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: does have a very legitimate medical excuse. I know folks like, oh,

1518
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: it does not excuse it is, but he's still lost

1519
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: and he either are other questions about his preparation and

1520
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: he's a mess. Right now, Okay, I'll put Davonte number one,

1521
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: and Joe time guy. You know, I'm not saying that's ironclad.

1522
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put him there. Number two. I might

1523
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: put Cambosis just based on what is.

1524
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: I got Hani number one. I'm telling you right now, Okay.

1525
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'll tell you what. I'll give Haney too.

1526
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: I'll give Haney too. I don't know about three. That's

1527
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: where I get. Fuck, it's tough. It's tough. You go,

1528
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: you're better than this than me.

1529
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 2: Okay, it's really tough. I think the battle number one,

1530
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 2: I think the battle for one number one is clear.

1531
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: Hany or Dravante. I had been a Dravante, been a tail,

1532
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 2: then I became a Gervonte guy. I think right now,

1533
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 2: in this moment, we can only go after go by

1534
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,919
Speaker 2: what we just saw. I think Haini, because he's longer

1535
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: and bigger, potentially could have a chance at dodging Gervonte's power.

1536
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 2: Although Gervanti is a hell of a boxer, and once again, Luke,

1537
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 2: the fact I'm having this debate is why we need

1538
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 2: to see these fights. But right now, I got Haini

1539
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 2: by a slight edge in terms of just not accomplishments,

1540
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 2: but pound for poundability. I got Girate right there to

1541
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: a you know, one B or two. A number three

1542
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna say I'm hating on Cambosos bro I still

1543
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: got too femo. Okay, number four, I got Ryan Garcia.

1544
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's not flawed. I'm not saying an

1545
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: elite guy will not flatline him. Luke, that's coming, it's

1546
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: gonna happen. But until that happens. Ryan Garcia is gonna

1547
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 2: knock some people the hell out with that speed, in

1548
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: that aggressiveness. And I got Ryan Garcia at five, Loma

1549
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 2: at four, Cambosos at six. Boy Australia is gonna be

1550
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: coming for me, Luke. But but but.

1551
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: Argue me off of that stance, Lukey, I think it's

1552
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,759
Speaker 1: a little bit disrespectful to cam Boss. I mean again,

1553
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: it's sort of two different rankings in one list, which

1554
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: is one is who do you think is the most

1555
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: talented and to whose record of accomplishment deserves them to

1556
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: be ranked ahead of the others, And so those two

1557
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: don't produce the same list if you ask me. Here's

1558
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: my issue with Haney being number one BC. Again, dude,

1559
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: like he looked good. It's just no denying it. But

1560
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: I feel like as long as Haney is tasked with

1561
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: having somebody boxing more or less at the end of

1562
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: his punches, and again, Diaz was able to get inside

1563
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: at times and take some rounds from and no doubt

1564
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: about it. But you know, more or less, if he

1565
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: can just sort of play the boxing game at range,

1566
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: he's fairly hard to beat. To me, I don't know,

1567
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: if you want to put Esta Cruz on the level

1568
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: of Jojo Diaz, but in the style that he brought

1569
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: and the kind of heat and pressure that Cruz makes

1570
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: you work under. I you know, that's that's a different

1571
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: kind of challenge I've not really seen Haney had to

1572
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: answer for yet at a more elite level.

1573
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: That's very fair for those reasons. Number one, if Lenaris,

1574
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: who is not a puncher, was able to do that

1575
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: to you know, Hani and hurt him, you can very

1576
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: easily say Gravonte, who by the way, again I had

1577
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 2: pound for pound number ten coming in and I still

1578
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 2: believe in him. You know me, though Luke I tend

1579
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: to be more in a great matchup of boxer versus puncher,

1580
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 2: although Jervonte can also box like hell to favor the boxer.

1581
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 2: I love Hani's length. Again, this is why we need

1582
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: to see it. I would have etat Cruise at number

1583
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: seven and before Australia comes knocking on my door, guys,

1584
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 2: you gotta prove it. And Camboso's did that night against Tao,

1585
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,919
Speaker 2: but we have a lot of questions that are viable.

1586
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: Cambosa's gonna have to come out and prove that again,

1587
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 2: and I hope it's against Hani. I love that Zone

1588
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 2: head cambosos on their broadcast. I love that they're wanting

1589
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 2: to do this in Australia, that Hani's in on it,

1590
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 2: George's in on it, Ludabella and company, let's do it, okay,

1591
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: let's find out. But Luke, if we were doing a

1592
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 2: a Belatoor Grand Prix and box at lightweight right here,

1593
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have Camboso's favored. You wouldn't have him that high.

1594
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 2: That's just what it is. We got to see it

1595
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: from him. I'm glad that he saw Kruz joins this list.

1596
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to forget about Lomachenko because he

1597
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 2: looked great against Nakatani in that bounce back fight. He

1598
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 2: was that close to beating Tayo Fimo to begin with,

1599
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 2: so let's keep some respect on his name. Well, look,

1600
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: how fun is lightweight right now? We just got to

1601
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 2: get these guys against, you know, against one another. Can

1602
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: we get somebody who has like two hundred million to

1603
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 2: just create a tournament? Throw all the money in there, Luke,

1604
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: please let me ask you.

1605
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a bit of a different question

1606
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: in your mind. Are there good reasons to explain it

1607
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: or is it just somewhat coincidental that we have this

1608
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: surge of talent in MMA at one thirty five and

1609
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: then this surge of also young not just talent, but

1610
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: young talent at one hundred and thirty five pounds in boxing.

1611
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: Is there something to this?

1612
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't think about that. Luke, What

1613
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 2: is that? What does that say about people this size? Luke?

1614
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: What is that? What is that?

1615
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot of them? You can fight their ass off.

1616
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: Why in women's MMA are the best fighters, without a question?

1617
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: Historically around one fifteen? Why is that?

1618
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: I tend to think it's just the sweet spot of

1619
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: the racket, so to speak. Right, it's the exact point

1620
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: where you get a lot of people of a certain

1621
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: size that have the makeup of being good fighters. Right.

1622
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: They're fast or athletic, but they're still strong. They can

1623
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 1: hit hard, right, so they can do all the things

1624
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: that you would want a fighter to do in the

1625
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: nimble ways that fighters are asked of doing it. But

1626
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: there's just also a lot of them in number, So

1627
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: they have a certain athletic profile that's great, and they're

1628
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: just plentiful in number. Because if you're one fifteen or

1629
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: one thirty five male female. You know, pro sports, especially

1630
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: on the male side, are going to be a lot

1631
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: out of reach. It's gonna be obviously some exceptions here

1632
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: or there, and you know, take there for what it's worth.

1633
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: But like, there's just such a rich amount of talent.

1634
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: It's just kind of funny. At the same time, one

1635
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five pounds is just putting a stamp

1636
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: on combat sports, whether it's twelve ounce gloves or four

1637
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: kind of interesting.

1638
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: Very interesting. Indeed, Luke, let's let's make the best fight

1639
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 2: the best can't wait. Wow, it's fun to be a

1640
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: lightweight boxing fan at the moment. Let's keep the show rolling,

1641
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 2: all right, let's keep it going all right.

1642
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: Well, with that in mind, it is time now for

1643
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: where the donks get to ask us questions. It's time

1644
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: for dms from donks. There you go, cat the graphic

1645
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: rolling there? Sal. By the way, could I look pinker?

1646
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 1: I mean I look like a bigly, wiggly hot dog today?

1647
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: What's up with my white balance?

1648
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 2: He shout out to Sally running the show today?

1649
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: By the way, who needs As a reminder every Sunday

1650
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: we put up a post on Instagram Morning Combat is

1651
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 1: on Instagram and then you ask us questions, our producers

1652
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:34,520
Speaker 1: pick them, we go to them now all RBC. Uh

1653
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: let's see, let me pull up my notes here. Uh okay,

1654
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 1: first one from Philly Dent Philly Underscore Dent. Would you

1655
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 1: have ever imagined that Jose Aldo and Connor McGregor would

1656
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: be in the positions they are in right now in

1657
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: their respective careers after that thirteen second KO back in

1658
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Fuck no, no, what about UBC?

1659
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 2: I would have guessed they would have fought each other

1660
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 2: second time though Luke and I and I had wanted that.

1661
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: I guess that lightweight for a while when it looked

1662
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 2: like Connor was gonna you know, when once Connor was

1663
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 2: done with featherweight, dude, I just always assumed Jose would

1664
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 2: get old and move up and then finally get that

1665
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 2: last payday against Connor and maybe gets stopped because the

1666
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 2: size difference. But they are on such different paths this

1667
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,480
Speaker 2: exact second right now, in terms of what they've accomplished

1668
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 2: since then, the direction they seem to be going. How

1669
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: much higher although will be ranked historically, even though obviously

1670
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 2: Connor has achieved certain things that make him unique, No question,

1671
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 2: about that, you know, marketing wise, pay per view wise,

1672
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: and then being the first simultaneous double champ. But yeah, man,

1673
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 2: you know it's it's wild their fortune. It's how different

1674
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 2: it's been, Luke, I mean, will we you know how

1675
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 2: we always you know, like rightfully, so we look at

1676
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 2: John Jones and we say, okay, well, what if he

1677
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: hadn't been that recklessness personal life, who could he be

1678
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 2: right now? As a fighter? Would he be you know

1679
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 2: the greatest of all time by a huge wige margin,

1680
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 2: and a two division champion and have never been touched?

1681
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 2: Do you? I think we'll look back at where Connor

1682
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 2: McGregor was after the Eddie Alvarez fight twenty sixteen, before

1683
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: the long layoff, the boxing adventure, the whiskey, the rich,

1684
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: the riches that led to the party lifestyle and the

1685
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 2: arrests and all that, and do the same type of

1686
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 2: what if.

1687
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: I think it depends how his comeback goes. I think

1688
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: if he gets there will always be that. I think

1689
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: you have that many distractions in the case of McGregor,

1690
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: both good and bad, right. The bad is the run

1691
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: ins with the law. The good is that he made

1692
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: an absolute fortune in the whiskey business, and in the

1693
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: Fight Game itself and broke some boundaries getting to fight

1694
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: with Mayweather and whatnot. There was always going to be

1695
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: those kinds of counterfactual what ifs. Yeah, maybe not with

1696
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: the same kind of resignation that goes along with John

1697
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: Jones's endless rap sheet, but pretty similar, yeah, pretty similar.

1698
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: But to answer the question, like about jose Aldo McGregor, again, dude,

1699
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: going back, go back and watch them, go back and

1700
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: watch the post fight interviews after he beat Korean Zombie

1701
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: and then the first Edgar fight, and you'll see a

1702
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 1: guy who's like kind close fights, very competitive. He was

1703
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: very nonchalant. You just thought after a loss like that

1704
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: he would kind of make a slow exit. In fact,

1705
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, Habib is taking some shit because he was like, oh,

1706
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: Joseado's in the stage of his career, you know where

1707
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: he's just you know, he doesn't need to be out

1708
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: there basically just sort of chasing fights for money and

1709
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. He's gonna get hurt. It's just not

1710
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: really all that true. Could he is wrong here? Jose

1711
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: Aldo has a renewed commitment and I'll just say, man,

1712
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: the Fight Game. Two years in the Fight Game three years.

1713
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 1: Four years especially is a lifetime. Man is a lifetime.

1714
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: There are guys right now who are amateurs who in

1715
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: four or five years might be UFC champions. That's not

1716
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: an exaggeration. So did I see this coming in twenty

1717
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: fifteen when they had the thirteen second ko Not even

1718
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, not even a little bit? All right?

1719
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, Luke, real quick? There is some to add

1720
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: to the breaking news of Fury versus Paul being off

1721
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 2: and now Tyron Woodley sliding in for December eighteenth. Tommy

1722
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 2: Fury has put out a statement. Can I read it, Luke?

1723
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: Sure?

1724
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely heartbroken that I've been forced to withdraw from

1725
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 2: my fight with Jake Paul due to a bacterial chest

1726
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: infection and broken rib. I really do hope we can

1727
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 2: get this fight rescheduled in the new year. I want

1728
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 2: this fight to still happen more than anything. If those

1729
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 2: are true medically, Luke, then obviously that those are viable reasons.

1730
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 2: But don't we have a video of Tyson Fury and

1731
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: maybe this is how the rib broke? Do we have that, Sally?

1732
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: I think we do.

1733
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 2: I think I was told we did.

1734
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: We were definitely told we did. I don't have to hear it.

1735
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 1: That an island here, you know, Luke fumbling in the

1736
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 1: back looking for a clip.

1737
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 2: You know, maybe she can find it. Yeah, there's a

1738
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 2: Fury video. There's like there's like a big ball.

1739
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: All right, we're ready to hit it. We were ready

1740
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: play it.

1741
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I can't tell you that's where

1742
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 2: it got broke, Luke.

1743
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, this is not I'm not

1744
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: gonna this is not uncommon training. I'm not saying he

1745
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: didn't go too hard or that this is where it

1746
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: happened or whatever. But like dudes getting medicine balls to

1747
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: their sternum and their core is as common as it

1748
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:26,839
Speaker 1: comes out from.

1749
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 2: Their six foot nine brother. Yeah, I mean it happens. Okay,

1750
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:29,799
Speaker 2: it happens.

1751
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: Listen, it's the fight game, bro The injuries happened, all right.

1752
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: Number two here from KSP Underscore King Hi LUCANBC. How

1753
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: do you guys feel about Sean O'Malley on the main

1754
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: cart of UFC two sixty nine fighting another unranked opponent. Well,

1755
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: we have two ranked fights on the pre limbs, two

1756
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: ranked fighters. I think was one of the fights being

1757
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 1: dom Cruise. It might be another one as well, what

1758
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: do you think?

1759
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, there was once a successful cable TV comedian

1760
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 2: who said, what are we doing here? Luke? And I

1761
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 2: think right now we're asking ourselves what's the end game? Here?

1762
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 2: Is the end game for Sean O'Malley to run his

1763
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 2: contract out against you know, every men so we can

1764
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 2: then find out his value on the market. Because if not, Luke,

1765
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 2: what are we doing here? Why are we not matching

1766
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 2: him against top ten talent to find out how great

1767
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 2: he can be? I get his comments about money. No

1768
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 2: one here discounts the whether these guys are paid correctly.

1769
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: But what do you think is really happening behind the scenes? Lutan?

1770
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't understand why this question is all that complex.

1771
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: Why did the UFC put a fighter that fans really

1772
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: care about versus two fighters or whatever the case may

1773
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: be that they don't care as much about in a

1774
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: more visible slot. Gee, I can't figure it out. You see,

1775
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 1: why would they do that?

1776
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 2: But it's like there's a lot of those for Sean

1777
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 2: lately after the step up against Vera, correct.

1778
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 1: Are you more complaining about the fight or the fight placement?

1779
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 1: Given the fight?

1780
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 2: I'm not complaining ever about somebody with star value getting

1781
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: softer match making or high placement with softer matchmaking. But

1782
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 2: given his comments about I'm not going to step up

1783
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 2: and face these guys for the same amount of money,

1784
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 2: what are we doing here, Lucas? He just trying to

1785
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 2: fight as often as he can to get out of

1786
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 2: his deal. I mean, is he trying to test the

1787
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 2: open market, because hey, I'd love to add him to

1788
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 2: the Belatore Grand Prix tournament if they got an open

1789
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: slot here.

1790
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: Bro I mean, I think he's his complaint is if

1791
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: you want me to fight tougher guys, pay me more.

1792
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that will end up working. But they

1793
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: do have to pay him and offer him fights three

1794
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 1: times a year. He can take who he wants by

1795
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: the rules, and they don't want to cut him. Obviously,

1796
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: they want to keep him because he is quite popular.

1797
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 1: It's why he's opening up the main card. It should

1798
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: be no mystery there. Your question is a good one,

1799
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: which is where does all of this go? And that

1800
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: part I can't tell because eventually you would imagine he's

1801
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: going to have to fight tougher guys and probably for

1802
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: not much more money. So like something here is going

1803
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: to have to give. We're just in a stage now

1804
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: where his placement should be obvious about why he's on

1805
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 1: the car. But these kinds of fights where Piva is

1806
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: a you know, UFC level fighter, I give him that

1807
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: credit in that respect. But to your point, a ranked opponent,

1808
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: like a big name or a name that folks care about,

1809
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to eventually get there. I just don't

1810
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: know when, under what circumstances. That's the hard part to

1811
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: figure out, Luke.

1812
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 2: Will let me present to you a potential life situation

1813
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 2: in scenario that I hope doesn't happen. It's hypothetical at best. Well,

1814
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 2: let's say Dana White, UFC president, who once put me

1815
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: at the centerpiece of a four minute video just slashing

1816
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 2: my credibility, Luke, which.

1817
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:35,799
Speaker 1: He mysteriously turned deleted.

1818
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say he just started watching Morning Combat and

1819
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 2: he's like, man, these guys sometimes, you know, take shots

1820
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 2: at me, although I think we're just you know, having

1821
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 2: fun and or telling the real truth about fighter pay.

1822
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,759
Speaker 2: And let's say he said, you know what, you know, man,

1823
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: fuck these two guys, these old white dads. Fuck those guys, right.

1824
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 2: You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna pull their credentials,

1825
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna get them fired from their jobs. I'm

1826
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 2: not saying he wants to do that, it's gonna but

1827
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 2: let's say it happened. And then you and me, Luke

1828
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 2: out on the phone with each other. You get fired too?

1829
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1830
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: I got fired? Oh my god? How did we get here?

1831
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: What do we do? How do we pay the bills?

1832
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 2: And you said, you know what, I'm gonna get this

1833
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 2: motherfucker back. You and I We're gonna start a fighter's here.

1834
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 2: We're going to be the CEOs. Who do we assemble?

1835
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 2: Not be on revenue? Who do we assemble as our

1836
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 2: dream team to make this happen and to be able

1837
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 2: to pay our mortgages? Do we get John s Nash

1838
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: as CFO? Luke?

1839
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: I think we go and find somewhere to drink bleach

1840
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: quietly with kool aid, and then just do a ritual suicide.

1841
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: That would be a smarter thing than trying to start

1842
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: an MMA union with people who have Stockholm syndrome and

1843
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: seemingly no interest despite its overwhelming value in working together.

1844
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: So that would be what I would do. I would

1845
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: just sort of commit, you know, seppuku and call it a.

1846
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 2: Day, all right, all right, I guess it's me and

1847
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 2: John Nash.

1848
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Let's do it, bro all right? From a lot of

1849
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: underscores here. I don't know why people do that. It's stupid,

1850
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: but they do it. From Jimmy underscore read how do

1851
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: you both see Cody performing at Flywood? He's taken on

1852
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: kay Kara France at UFC two sixty nine. One of

1853
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: his test cut photos looked scarily sucked in. I worry

1854
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: it'll go very similar to TJ's attempt. What do you think?

1855
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 2: I don't wish this upon him by In fact, I've

1856
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: always loved watching Cody Garbran fight. I think it's gonna

1857
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: go very poorly, Luke. I think he's gonna end up

1858
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: back at VANDAM wait and I still think he can

1859
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 2: win big fights. But I think the toothpaste is out

1860
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: of the tube, Luke, I don't think we'll ever see

1861
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 2: him that same performance we saw against Dominic Cruz, that

1862
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: fantastic performance. You know he's still got the power, he's

1863
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 2: still young enough, but Luke, he's taken big damage. He's

1864
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: had some hiccups. This seems like a horrifically bad idea

1865
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 2: to do to your body. I can't see him having

1866
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 2: huge punch resistance at this weight class. I'd love to

1867
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 2: be proven wrong, Josie, although just proved us wrong. But Luke,

1868
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 2: I see the sending bad.

1869
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. My view is this, like, why would he go down? Well,

1870
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: partly because thinks the vans Away had kind of stalled

1871
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: out for him in a bad way. But more than that,

1872
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: I do imagine his power might carry down to one

1873
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 1: twenty five, even though he's sort of like, you know,

1874
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: reducing size. And I still think his speed might be

1875
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: good enough for the weight class we will see. I

1876
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: don't know those things, but I could imagine that the.

1877
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 2: Rocket rockets down there. They got some quick m efforts.

1878
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough.

1879
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1880
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he'd beat the quickest, but I think

1881
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: his speed would be fine more or less at one

1882
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: twenty five. But to your point, which I think is

1883
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: the real central one, you know, he didn't have great

1884
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: punch resistance at one thirty five. You're gonna drain yourself

1885
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: even more to get down to one twenty five. Whatever

1886
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: gifts you inherit by going down that weight class, they

1887
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: might just be canceled out by virtue of the fact

1888
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: that you've got lightning quick punchers on the other side

1889
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: of one twenty five, and you're depleting yourself pretty badly.

1890
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 1: I you know, maybe he maybe he beats Kaikara France.

1891
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like, do I really believe at

1892
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: one twenty five he can make a title run. Stranger

1893
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 1: things have happened, but I'm skeptical.

1894
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'd like to do off topic? When

1895
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 2: we open up our new set in Jersey City, which

1896
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 2: I think is close being ready, are we gonna christen

1897
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: it for the New Year? We're gonna break a champagne

1898
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 2: powder against the boat. I think we should do a

1899
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 2: blind taste test and have proper twelve RB's vodka and

1900
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 2: Tiger Thick whiskey and then just, you know, blindly tell

1901
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 2: the world who's the best.

1902
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: Luke Okay, I don't know what the fuck that has

1903
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,919
Speaker 1: to do with this question, but okay, all right? From

1904
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 1: at Saint John Satan Jean Kevin. It's not exactly my style,

1905
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:34,799
Speaker 1: but Dravante's Baltimore in all caps back tattoo looks pretty

1906
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: bad ass. What do you think of the old back

1907
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: tattoo that said Baltimore on there? That's a lot of

1908
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: Baltimore and.

1909
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 2: That said badass on that lower third. Not pretty bad.

1910
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty bad. Look, Luke, again, I

1911
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,520
Speaker 2: have to agree with Kevin Saint Geane here. Overall, Gravante's

1912
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 2: tats are not my style. But Luke, what he's done

1913
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 2: with the beard, the beard tad and the whole like

1914
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 2: and now the lettering and the shading on that Baltimore's

1915
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 2: it's pretty He's got a pretty cool presentation. Considered right now,

1916
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 2: I can't. Yeah, it's to the technical brilliance of the styling,

1917
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 2: because you fancy yourself, you know.

1918
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the tattoo itself is very good. It's two tone

1919
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 1: negative space, so the Baltimore is just his own skin color.

1920
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: But if you know, it's the top in the bottom

1921
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: had like two different shades of shading on it, two

1922
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,839
Speaker 1: different gradients of shading on it, and so it actually

1923
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: is really well done. I don't know why you would

1924
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: want to rep Baltimore that hard on your back. You know,

1925
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: it's a fun town if.

1926
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 2: You're the guy with the DC tat on his damn forearm. Luke,

1927
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 2: I don't look at DC as like heaven, just so

1928
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: you know, from the outside looking.

1929
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: At Yeah, but you know, you know absolutely nothing about DC.

1930
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: You're hopelessly ignorant to the point of stupid about it.

1931
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: I know a lot about Baltimore. Been there a lot,

1932
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: been there. Was there just a couple of weeks ago.

1933
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: I've been there for a long time.

1934
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: WI.

1935
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's a good But see, here's a

1936
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 1: problem with Gravante's tattoos. And here's one thing. You realize

1937
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 1: that you get older, you're not you can do it.

1938
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: People do it all the time, but you're not really

1939
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,520
Speaker 1: supposed to mix and match all different kinds of styles

1940
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,879
Speaker 1: all over your body. Like if you get Japanese traditional,

1941
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: you kind of got to carry that out. If you

1942
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: get black and gray, you kind of got to carry

1943
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: it out. If you get in school, it looks it

1944
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: looks like tiger like. Like, for example, look at Connor Gregor.

1945
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: He's got this amazing sort of traditional piece on his

1946
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 1: chest and then he's got like, you know, portrait realism

1947
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: on his stomach. It kind of clashes in weird ways.

1948
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: But I guess I'll say this, if you look at

1949
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: Javonte's newer tattoos, the Baltimore one and some other ones

1950
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: he's got on his arm and his legs. They're fucking good.

1951
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: They're really really good. But he's got some old ones

1952
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: that are pretty bad. So you know, it's a nice mix.

1953
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: Like Baltimore by the way, shouts to all the Purple

1954
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:49,560
Speaker 1: Camo nation out there with Old Bay under their fingernails.

1955
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: All right, from Tellvin Telvin Capapa.

1956
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah from Hawaii. The guy stends in dms every week. Yeah,

1957
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 2: like you never heard of him.

1958
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: I'd never heard of him. Great guy, I never met him.

1959
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:05,440
Speaker 1: All right. Favorite Christmas movie and if you fucking say Diehard,

1960
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: you're fired?

1961
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 2: Uh. I always love this to be all right. My

1962
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 2: favorite Christmas movie of all time, my wife and kids,

1963
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 2: heckle me is Jack Frost, the Claymation one from Like.

1964
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: You Are a Stupid, Stupid Man.

1965
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: You love that movie?

1966
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Piece of shit Diorama?

1967
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 2: I love that movie, Okay? Do I in modern movies?

1968
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 2: Do I love Elf like everybody else? Yes, of course

1969
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 2: I do. You know, I even love It's a wonderful

1970
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 2: life if you're going to old school. But Jack Frost

1971
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 2: is my favorite. But Luke, you notice become my modern favorite.

1972
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 2: Also to the uh, to the non love of my

1973
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 2: wife and kids. Did you ever see Holiday and Handcuffs? Luke,

1974
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I always talk about that. I think

1975
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 2: it was a tip last Christmas on my Friday episode.

1976
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,759
Speaker 2: It's with a C. Slater and Sabrina the teenage Witch

1977
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 2: where she kidnaps him and makes him pretend to be

1978
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 2: her fiance. I don't know, Luke. It was like an

1979
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 2: ABC Family movie. It's funny as heck and it just

1980
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 2: makes me feel good about the I'm all in on

1981
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 2: holiday and handcuffs. That's probably my second favorite, behind Jack Frost.

1982
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 2: But no, no, die Hard, nothing like that.

1983
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't mind if I'm not one of these guys.

1984
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, die Hard is or isn't a Christmas movie.

1985
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: I mostly find the debate just boring. So like, if

1986
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: you want to count that as a Christmas movie, I

1987
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 1: don't care, But I would say that I grew up

1988
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: feeling like as a kid, this is not the way

1989
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: I feel now. As a kid. What's the one where

1990
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: you'll shoot your eye out a Christmas story? Yeah, as

1991
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: a kid, I like that one day.

1992
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 2: It's the best movie ever, but they ruined it by

1993
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 2: playing it for twenty four hours a day every year.

1994
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I'll say, honestly, like I have two traditions in the house.

1995
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: We watch Elf when we put up the tree, and

1996
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: then on Christmas Eve, I watch Bad Santa. I fucking

1997
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: love Bad Santa. It's such a great movie. Believe Im,

1998
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 1: Thornton is what you've never seen. Bad Santa, dude, he

1999
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: is your perfect American dirt back. It's Joe exotic, only

2000
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: more pathetic, if that's even imaginable.

2001
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 2: In my Christmas movies, Luke, you know, I mean, you.

2002
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Know there there is a good message when he protects

2003
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: the little fat kid, which you have to see. So

2004
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Bad Santa is where I'll go.

2005
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 2: The Tim Allen trilogy, the Santa Claus. My wife loves those.

2006
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 2: I'm not really that into him.

2007
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: I saw The Santa Claus for the first time. I mean,

2008
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: it's fine if you've been hitting the head with a hammer,

2009
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: you know.

2010
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 2: Oh dude, That the one with Sindbad and Arnold where

2011
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 2: he's trying to get you know, the one I'm talking

2012
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 2: about Jingle Jingle all the Way or whatever. And by

2013
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 2: Jingle all the Way, that's a solid prison.

2014
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a Schwarzenegger guy, but even that one

2015
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 1: is not for me. It's a little bit shitty, that movie.

2016
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: It's a little bit bad Santa bad, Santa much better.

2017
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 2: You have an extra credit coming out today?

2018
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: You mean like odds it ends?

2019
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 2: You mean extra credit?

2020
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think so, because our producer is a

2021
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 1: little bit hung out to dry. But it will either

2022
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: be out tonight or tomorrow morning.

2023
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I just wanted to make sure. I

2024
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 2: just wanted to promote it for you.

2025
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate that.

2026
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 2: All right.

2027
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: With that in mind, VC, it's time for your shit.

2028
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: Let's see it.

2029
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we do, the highs and lows, the good,

2030
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,599
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly, in the in between, in combat

2031
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 2: sports and beyond it is. Have you seen this shit?

2032
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 2: We start in Vegas UFC Fight Night, Luke light Heavyweight

2033
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,759
Speaker 2: Jamal Hill needed just forty eight seconds to send Jimmy

2034
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 2: Crew to the other side of the of the pillow,

2035
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 2: so to speak. Luke, talk about this knockout.

2036
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: Brother, Yeah, poor Jimmy Crew. I've been I've been of

2037
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: the belief and I've been having a debate with Michael

2038
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 1: Kissa on Twitter. I don't think mullets make your power

2039
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: as a fighter better. I think there's a bit of

2040
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: a you know, the mullet thing, you know, I just

2041
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 1: don't quite get it. But he got you know, he

2042
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: just hit with the check hook here like Hill has

2043
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: tremendous ability to catch you between punches, and he did.

2044
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 2: Let's go to the picture of the aftermath. Not only

2045
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 2: was it a horrible night at the office, a bad

2046
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 2: hare night, but Jimmy Crewe had a fractured eye and

2047
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 2: a fractured nose from that shot. Luke, just forty eight

2048
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 2: seconds into the fight out.

2049
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: Bab Yeah, that's a tough one, man. That's a really

2050
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 1: I feel bad.

2051
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 2: Let's go over the haircut the ESPN analyst desk. Here's

2052
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 2: the UFC analyst and fine coach, Dean Thomas, dressed like

2053
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,679
Speaker 2: Thurston Howell the Third from Gilligan's Island. Look you down

2054
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 2: with this?

2055
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what Dean was doing there. He

2056
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: looks He looks like he needs Farnsworth Bentley to hold

2057
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: his Burberry umbrella over his head when it gets too Sonny.

2058
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 1: But you know he's rocking it well, Luke.

2059
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 2: Hopefully your MK extra credit this week will focus a

2060
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 2: lot on Rafael Physiev's KO of one. What the hell

2061
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 2: is the guy's name?

2062
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 1: Oh?

2063
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: Your guy from CKB Brad Mdell. Yeah, but given the

2064
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,719
Speaker 2: microphone let's go to the sound here. Here's who Rafael

2065
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 2: called out.

2066
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: Have one I don't he maybe.

2067
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's named VENs.

2068
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: Still don't hear anything Vin Vaughan. You want to fight

2069
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 1: Vin Vaughan?

2070
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2071
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: I love him. Well, this worn't that well? My man.

2072
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 1: Want to call up ladies and gentlemen. Give it up

2073
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 1: for rafaelfase ease.

2074
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 2: And if we ask, he's down. Vincey's ready for it.

2075
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 2: Have one legend here, maybe he won't fight me Vegas, Baby, Luke, Uh,

2076
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 2: Raphael is pretty funny. He has called out has Beulah

2077
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 2: before after a fight. This time he calls out the

2078
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:42,560
Speaker 2: quote legend, Vince Vaughan. Your thoughts, M.

2079
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: I guess that's funny.

2080
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,560
Speaker 2: All right. You can hear more of Luke's fine analysis

2081
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 2: on this fight, probably on MK extra credit coming to

2082
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 2: YouTube dot com. Flash. Yeah, all right, let's keep it

2083
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 2: going to his own boxing from Las Vegas. Luke remember

2084
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 2: junior welterweight Montana Love.

2085
01:36:59,160 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: He won.

2086
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 2: He was repping this dog all week. Look at him

2087
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 2: stretching before the fight, the dog between the legs, the

2088
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 2: lady on the shoulders. I mean, it's probably pretty good

2089
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 2: to be Montana Love, right, now.

2090
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: Right, bro, that dog is chilling, dude. He was at

2091
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: the dog French bulldog.

2092
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 2: The press conference. The dog came into the ring like

2093
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 2: this guy was dynamite kid and the British bulldog. This

2094
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 2: was great, all.

2095
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: Right, end taking care of dog. I'm happy to Yeah.

2096
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 2: He end up getting a stoppage win. By the way,

2097
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 2: Montana Love looked great. Let's keep it going. From that

2098
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 2: same card, here's junior lightweight Ronaldo Solice getting sent to

2099
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 2: hell by Mark Castro's right hand. Good lord on this one.

2100
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 1: Oh that was clean as a whistle, that right hand.

2101
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 1: He ate every part of that. Yeah, they called it there.

2102
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 2: Wave that shit off. That was in Las Vegas. The

2103
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 2: zone was also in France, I'm sorry Spain. They were

2104
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 2: in Spain and Bilbao and famous rat tailed junior middleweight

2105
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 2: Luke Carman Lehaga. Look at what he did.

2106
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: Jack Flatley here, Oh oh, and the guy had the

2107
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: rat tail too, Man, those were big when we were kids,

2108
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 1: remember that.

2109
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Lucas Matisa had a great rat tail. But

2110
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 2: Herman's been rocking that one for years. Rap Bartholomew's favorite fighter.

2111
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 2: Shout out to Rape on that one. Also on this undercard,

2112
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 2: Luke Campbell Hatton, the son of Hall of Famer Ricky Hatton,

2113
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 2: finally gets his first stoppage win in this fifth pro fight.

2114
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,639
Speaker 2: About damn time show me some pop little man.

2115
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: Right listen, you can take some time to get the

2116
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 1: game under you. It looked pretty good in this one.

2117
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Campbell Hatten, well named fighter.

2118
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 2: Let's keep it going. T Shirts of the Week time, Luke,

2119
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 2: here's number one? Can we go full screen? Luke? You

2120
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 2: want to read that?

2121
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 1: Last night is a blur? I remember sucking titties and

2122
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 1: then shitting myself.

2123
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Luke, that you know, in a different life,

2124
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 2: I could see you wearing that shirt and showing up

2125
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,600
Speaker 2: out a pizza place. There, Luke, that's pretty good. But

2126
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 2: here's the best T shirt of the week.

2127
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 1: Will fuck for chicken wings? That's fair, that's fair. If

2128
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 1: chicken wings are good, who wouldn't want to fuck from

2129
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: the chicken wings?

2130
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 2: All right, it's rugby time. Here's Cea Colice after scoring

2131
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 2: a goal that helps South Africa defeat Scotland, autographing a

2132
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 2: happy fan.

2133
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: Luke, that's that's disturbing.

2134
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 2: Oh well, we gave him a little, uh a little

2135
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 2: how's your father on the way out there, Luke.

2136
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 1: All right, that's that's a little disturbing. I I could

2137
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: have done without this.

2138
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what do you think Sally's thinking right now

2139
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 2: running all these videos? Luke?

2140
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: You know she probably put in her two weeks five

2141
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 1: minutes ago, and who could who could blame her?

2142
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to start that union after all. All right,

2143
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 2: let's go to the college soccer pitch, Luke, big goal

2144
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 2: here by U c l A against Duke if we

2145
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 2: could check this out. But a little bit of excessive celebration.

2146
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, bitch, yeah yeah I love this.

2147
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

2148
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 1: I hear come the soccer dors pushing and shoving. Yeah, listen,

2149
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: either you're going to swing on him or you're not

2150
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 1: going to swing on him. Let me see this on

2151
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 1: more time. Let me see him get bodied one more time.

2152
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 2: I thought we had the goal, but Bob, yeah, there

2153
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 2: we go. That's great, That is great, hey, Luke, NBA

2154
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 2: fashion is getting out of control. Can you check your

2155
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 2: Washington Wizard's friend Kyle Kuzma here? What the hell is

2156
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 2: going on? Bro?

2157
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: This is what my daughter looks like when she wears

2158
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:46,759
Speaker 1: my clothes.

2159
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get it. I think he's trying to

2160
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 2: keep up with former Wizards point guard Russell Westbrook. Luke,

2161
01:40:56,560 --> 01:41:01,600
Speaker 2: your thoughts on this? Looks like Daphne of of the Scooby.

2162
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: Gang, Lup, I know, It's like it's like he he

2163
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: left a Halloween party and stripped off just half the costume.

2164
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, hey he's got style. That's what

2165
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 2: all the girls say. Let's go over to Grandpa. Look,

2166
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 2: normally we do elder abuse, but check out this move.

2167
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 2: Can we zoom in from this old man on a swing?

2168
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh god, is he gonna fucking die? Oh shit?

2169
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,719
Speaker 2: Old man walk off right there.

2170
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well if you're this way, then why

2171
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: do I have to hold your hand so you can

2172
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. I mean, let's just, you know,

2173
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,800
Speaker 1: figure this out. But I gotta say that's a nice

2174
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: little dismount from old Gramps.

2175
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 2: Not bad there, Grampy. All right, let's go back to

2176
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 2: the subway where Luke and I may end up one

2177
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 2: day if this omniitron gets over with. Check out this guy,

2178
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,440
Speaker 2: you know, Luke, last minute you try to squeeze between.

2179
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: The doors that DC as well. It looks like it.

2180
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Kao with the cars, but the floor there.

2181
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, those things don't give a fuck about you.

2182
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,679
Speaker 2: Man, they don't.

2183
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: You know what the best job in the world is BC.

2184
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 1: You ever seen those guys in Tokyo who dress up

2185
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 1: like American gladiators and they have the giant pads and

2186
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 1: when it's time they got a stuff. Everyone inside the

2187
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 1: fucking Tokyo subway cars and they beat the ship out

2188
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: of those patrons. Oh, he's up. That has to be

2189
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: the greatest job on earth.

2190
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 2: I agree with that. I agree. Let's see if he

2191
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 2: could stay up, Luke the piper down? Yes, all right,

2192
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 2: all right, Luke, that's the subway. Let's go out to

2193
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 2: the the tour de ce Luke. Check out this innocent bystander.

2194
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 1: Wow that she gets motherfucking punished. Dude, you know what

2195
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: this looks like to me? I mean, why would you

2196
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: walk out, you fucking jackass? Number one? Like, fuck that

2197
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 1: old lady. I don't have any sympathy for her, number one?

2198
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean, why would you? Why would you

2199
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: walk out? Like? Why why would you do that? You're

2200
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: a fucking moron and you're and she's looking look look

2201
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: at her, she's looking. Hey, my name is stupid. This

2202
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 1: is what happens to me. Uh you know what, you know,

2203
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 1: you know what it looks like. There's every time I

2204
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 1: take my daughter to the park and I put her

2205
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: on the swing, there's always these idiot kids whose parents

2206
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: have never explained to them you shouldn't play in front

2207
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 1: of the swings because you're gonna get fucking drilled in

2208
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: the head. And every time, man, every time, it's the

2209
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: same kids who run out. This lady somehow is that

2210
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 1: at age one thousand whatever, she is, Good riddance to her.

2211
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 2: Speaking of your daughter, you took her to Disney. You

2212
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 2: know how they always have those hidden mickeys everywhere. It's

2213
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 2: like an Easter egg. You gotta find them all over

2214
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 2: the park and in the wallpaper. You ever hear of

2215
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 2: a hidden dong? Luke? Oh no, oh no, oh no,

2216
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 2: that is that's a wow.

2217
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's good. Who did this?

2218
01:43:57,720 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 2: Who did this?

2219
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, it is? That is? That is well done,

2220
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:03,799
Speaker 1: permanent marker. That is well done.

2221
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 2: All right. Let's go over the golf course, Luke. You

2222
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 2: can find a hidden mickey there too.

2223
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: I don't quite get it.

2224
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 2: Oh god.

2225
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 1: And there's a little bit of jis on it.

2226
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 2: You don't quite get it. You get it now, Luke?

2227
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, you gotta watch up for the rough

2228
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:23,680
Speaker 2: right there. Look, I believe that's called a shank. Is

2229
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 2: that what happens, Luke when you when you you know,

2230
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 2: in a shaft when you you Yeah, okay, let's keep

2231
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 2: it going, hey, Luke, your favorite Segment's time to rate

2232
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 2: that tat. Remember Julian Lane of let Me Bang, bro fame, Luke,

2233
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 2: you remember that guy from the b KFC. Well, he's

2234
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 2: taking his catchphrase to a whole new level. Let's let

2235
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 2: this tattoo artist bang and let's see the results here.

2236
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? What's up? Everybody is? Let me bang?

2237
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 1: My here a Lost Galleries in Newport, Ritchie, Florida.

2238
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 2: My man, Jebo, come out, how get some fresh ink?

2239
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 2: Let me bang?

2240
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody's let me bang?

2241
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 2: I'm my here at Lost Galleries? And Luke, can you

2242
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 2: rate that tat on the uh? Can we go go

2243
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 2: back to that first? Go's save that sled? Can you

2244
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 2: rate that tat right there? And I'm not talking about

2245
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 2: the tattoo artist's face.

2246
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 1: It's not good. It's not good. The lettering is bad and.

2247
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:39,640
Speaker 2: It's covering up some worse tattoos.

2248
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 1: Luke, Right, which is fine. I don't care about that part.

2249
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: Saturation's nice, I guess, but it's not good.

2250
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 2: Theme and composition, you're not with it?

2251
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, and the execution.

2252
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 2: Frankly, Hey, let's see some good tats, Luke. You may

2253
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 2: not know this guy, but there's a boxing journalist of sorts,

2254
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 2: a copy box operator named Aris Poena, a guy I

2255
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,680
Speaker 2: respect a lot. Let's blow this up. Check out his

2256
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,200
Speaker 2: latest work on his left arm. He's got a tattoo

2257
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 2: artist in Brooklyn. What do you think about this one?

2258
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: That's well done. Again, I'm not sure how much I

2259
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: like the tattoo itself in terms of like the the

2260
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 1: artistic theme, but in terms of the technical application, that's

2261
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 1: extremely good.

2262
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 2: Yes, he's got some good shit on his right arm

2263
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 2: as well. If we can advance the slide, Luke, little

2264
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 2: Miles Davis action some big on the top level.

2265
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 1: I can't quite see what it is. Oh, is he

2266
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:28,639
Speaker 1: blowing the smoke?

2267
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 2: Miles Davis blown into the trumpet?

2268
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? These are okay. I like the other one actually

2269
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:35,600
Speaker 1: a little bit better. The color saturated, that's what this

2270
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 1: one's again. When you get a lot of heavy, heavy

2271
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 1: coloring like that. It does fade over time, but it

2272
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily look all that good. But the other one

2273
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 1: looked pretty good. The coloring of the other one was actullent, not.

2274
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,679
Speaker 2: To Arispna On the Boxing History podcast There with With

2275
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 2: with the Beard, Patrick Connor love those guys, Luke one

2276
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 2: more tattoo to get? Uh this is uh? Yeah, this

2277
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 2: guy got a wolf on his face.

2278
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 1: Well, I don't mind if you've got a wolf on

2279
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: your face, but you should get a wolf that looks

2280
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 1: like a toddler didn't draw it.

2281
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 2: What does this say about you?

2282
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:05,720
Speaker 1: If?

2283
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 2: Like, if you know, if you show up in line

2284
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 2: at the bank and you've got this on your face,

2285
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 2: what does it say?

2286
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: What does it say? I'll tell you what he says

2287
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 1: when he goes to the bank, which is probably put

2288
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: all the money in the bag before I blow your

2289
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 1: head off. What else is this guy gonna do?

2290
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's lost all cares. There's no doubt about it.

2291
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 2: Look Big time fight announcement too bad, it's about eight

2292
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:28,120
Speaker 2: years too late. Washed Welter Wait's a mere con and

2293
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 2: kel Brook are gonna face off.

2294
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 1: They are chatty, are they not?

2295
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 2: Yep? And they nearly got into it. Luke, this fight

2296
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 2: would have been one of the best you can make

2297
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 2: in the sport back in like twenty fourteen.

2298
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: Remember, yeah, Con is talking. I've been watching this one.

2299
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: Con is he's getting I mean, these two are selling

2300
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: it as best they can. You gotta give him that,

2301
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: all right?

2302
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, the only thing you hate more than

2303
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,719
Speaker 2: a public gender reveal is when there's a proposal involved.

2304
01:47:54,760 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 2: So why don't we combine them together? It looks like

2305
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 2: they're having a boy, Luke, and uh.

2306
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:11,919
Speaker 1: What what what miscreant are they gonna.

2307
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess this is a shotgun marriage. I mean, uh,

2308
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 2: the good news is you're having a boy. The bad

2309
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 2: news is you've been ingested all of those fumes.

2310
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 1: From the dude. The only I know it's like, my

2311
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 1: wife is six months pregnant. Hey, can we have her

2312
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 1: inhale carbon monoxide from the back of this fucked up

2313
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 1: Toyota truck or whatever it is. Also, you know what,

2314
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 1: you know what's missing from this is just not nearly

2315
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 1: enough camouflage and rebel flags on this thing.

2316
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 2: I mean Middle America. Indeed, all right, Luke, we love

2317
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 2: phone booth fighting, right, These fight promoters took it to

2318
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:47,639
Speaker 2: a new level. Your thoughts.

2319
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: It's a little literal. Oh is this CAMSDA do cam

2320
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 1: soda will do? Dumb ship like.

2321
01:48:56,520 --> 01:49:00,439
Speaker 2: This will Oh yeah, that's no where to on, Luke,

2322
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 2: nowhere to hide?

2323
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:03,839
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, they were bound to do something,

2324
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:04,679
Speaker 1: so here we are.

2325
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 2: All right? Uh, Luke, you may have experienced this. Oh wait,

2326
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 2: you don't step foot into a church. You're out of

2327
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 2: fear of that you'll melt. But check out this priest

2328
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 2: handy work here during this christening.

2329
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 1: Mean, what are we doing? I mean, what are we doing?

2330
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? That's it. Look at his face too, he's kind

2331
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 2: of like a joint. He's like, oh sorry guys, yeah

2332
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 2: all right, yeah, okay, yeah Mark, Yeah, Uh Luke, I

2333
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 2: got two more for you. Here's why you should never

2334
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 2: text and bike. Check out this kid.

2335
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, go fuck yourself.

2336
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 2: Go fuck yourself in the face, Luke in the face.

2337
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 1: Just just why don't you? I mean, go explain this

2338
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 1: one to mom, you fucking moron. So can you imagine going home?

2339
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 1: It's like, let me get this straight. You were on

2340
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 1: a wide open road, there were no cars there, and

2341
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 1: you not only hit the parked car, you sent your

2342
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 1: forehead through it, so you shattered the back windshield. Is that?

2343
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 1: Is that a fair assessment of how fucking stupid you are?

2344
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the COVID mascot. At least, Luke, that probably prevented

2345
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 2: any lascerations.

2346
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 1: I hope he got COVID from this. Fuck this kid.

2347
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 2: I think you can contract that through glass. I have

2348
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 2: to call doctor Joe Rogan to find out. All right, Luke,

2349
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:24,639
Speaker 2: one more for you here. We're always trying to see

2350
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 2: who can one up the the smoke inhalation experience. Here's

2351
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 2: what they call bong jousting. Let's zoom in on this selling.

2352
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 1: This is this is what I need to be doing

2353
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 1: with my life. B See, I'm dead serious. I want

2354
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 1: everyone to do this for me for the rest of

2355
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 1: my life. I don't want to do anything else other

2356
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:42,519
Speaker 1: than this.

2357
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:45,559
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can. I mean, can you

2358
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 2: stay standing after this, Luke?

2359
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:52,679
Speaker 1: I hope not. Yeah, dude, I need I need this weapon.

2360
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: I need someone to hold it in my face and

2361
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 1: then just wake me up for my daughter's graduation and wedding.

2362
01:50:57,160 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 1: I just yes, I just want to inhale an. I

2363
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 1: want to inhale enough marijuana smoke that I'm in a

2364
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: coma for the next seventeen years. That's really what I'm

2365
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 1: looking for.

2366
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great stuff, Luke. That's like the movie Click

2367
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 2: with Adam Sandler, Remember that one where he fast forwarded

2368
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 2: through all his life events and missed out so we

2369
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 2: can focus on work.

2370
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 1: Luke, I'm not seen that piece at the end.

2371
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 2: Of that movie. My wife still makes fun of me today.

2372
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:21,640
Speaker 2: It's a great movie, great flick, you know.

2373
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 1: All Right? Speaking of Luke, speaking.

2374
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 2: Of got some good ones like don't ever watch The Cobbler,

2375
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 2: You'll hate yourself, But Sandler's can surprise you once in

2376
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 2: a while.

2377
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 1: I actually think that his best movie is not even

2378
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: really his kind of movie. Have you ever seen Punch

2379
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:35,679
Speaker 1: Drunk Love.

2380
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 2: I've never seen it, I know of it.

2381
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's amazing in that movie. Like he's legitimately incredible

2382
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 1: in that movie. So that's my favorite. All right, BC,

2383
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 1: Time for odds and or ends. What do you got

2384
01:51:47,479 --> 01:51:48,559
Speaker 1: for us, Luke?

2385
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure you want to talk about anything else but this,

2386
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 2: but your boy Connor McGregor. He's been in the gym Luke,

2387
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 2: post Jack Pigs of his new one hundred and ninety

2388
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 2: pound frame. I want to get your action. Is this

2389
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 2: in preparation for a move up to Walter White? Luke?

2390
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 1: I guess do he looks like he looks like Raphael Fhaziev.

2391
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2392
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy how big he is. Here's the

2393
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: thing about this, it's like, I mean, for folks who

2394
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:21,880
Speaker 1: may to understand this, it's hard to put on muscle,

2395
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 1: especially if you're an advanced athlete, if you're in a

2396
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,640
Speaker 1: caloric deficit. Now I don't think he would be in one.

2397
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 1: He would still be you know, he's not like in

2398
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: a dieting phase. But the point I'm trying to make

2399
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:34,640
Speaker 1: here is the opposite is true. If you really want

2400
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 1: to put on a ton of muscle, you kind of

2401
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 1: have to bulk up all at once and then cut

2402
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 1: the fat off. So you bulking, then cut, bulking, then cut.

2403
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 1: It looks to me, b see like he's bulking up

2404
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 1: for something else, maybe a more permanent move to one seventy.

2405
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 1: But dude, I gotta tell you, like all that extra

2406
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: muscle for him, even when he leans out, he's gonna

2407
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:54,040
Speaker 1: look fucking jacked as shit. Good for him. I'm not hating,

2408
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: but I don't know what kind of I don't know

2409
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 1: what that does for him to.

2410
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 2: Be candid if now he says in in terms of

2411
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:03,799
Speaker 2: his timeline, that he can start like, you know, training

2412
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 2: in terms of like sparring and all that in April.

2413
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 2: What if I told you his timeline in twenty twenty

2414
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 2: two was two UFC fights at one hundred and seventy

2415
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 2: pounds Nate Diaz followed by Kamaro Usman, what.

2416
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 1: Would you say, Let's see how he looks against Nate.

2417
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:24,559
Speaker 1: Let's see how he looks against Nate. I think that's

2418
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 1: a big I just don't understand what we're gonna get

2419
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,720
Speaker 1: from him. We could get the guy who came back

2420
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 1: from the ACL tear after the Holloway fight, and you

2421
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 1: know it was out for a short time, it looks great,

2422
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: or you know this is just gonna hasten the beginning

2423
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 1: of the end, like we we've always agreed. I still

2424
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 1: think McGregor is, before he's all done, is going to

2425
01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:45,799
Speaker 1: beat some good fighters, at least one more good fighter.

2426
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:47,880
Speaker 1: I really believe that. But I just kind of got

2427
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 1: to see what it looks like. Man, I really don't

2428
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,240
Speaker 1: even know what to expect anymore. He looked fucking huge there.

2429
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's jacked a shit. What the four hundred was

2430
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 2: a problem for you. That was great. Remember that from

2431
01:53:57,800 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 2: the documentary. That was a great moment.

2432
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the documentary of him.

2433
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about MK documentary number four.

2434
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen that one either.

2435
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 2: We're in Miami and you were talking about Brendan's form

2436
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, was there four? Hit? Luke.

2437
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 1: Apparently that bruised your ego more than I can even remember. Dude.

2438
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:24,719
Speaker 2: I love the documentary so much. In fact, today, Luke,

2439
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:30,599
Speaker 2: happy birthday goes out to our MK documentarian less than

2440
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 2: Jake Rosenbag. I love that guy, Luke. I sure, I

2441
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 2: hope that you love that guy. Happy birthday, Jake the documentarian.

2442
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:39,520
Speaker 2: We love you in these parts.

2443
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 1: Brothers. I used to love him, and then he just

2444
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:44,040
Speaker 1: decided he would rather work for all access to us,

2445
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:48,960
Speaker 1: So fuck that guy, all right? All right? From my

2446
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:52,120
Speaker 1: odds and ends, this is one. Anytime you bring up

2447
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 1: like a dude, somebody could have been stabbed at some

2448
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 1: point in the middle of a fight, and if they

2449
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: brought it up afterwards, people are going to be like,

2450
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 1: are you just making up bullshit? Dude. ESPN did some

2451
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 1: follow up on Tao FEMA Lopez's condition after the fight,

2452
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:10,800
Speaker 1: and what they found was that he should have never

2453
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:12,960
Speaker 1: been cleared. I want to explain something here very quickly.

2454
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 1: In this article, you have multiple bored certified physicians not

2455
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 1: merely agreeing that the condition that he had was serious,

2456
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 1: but with near unanimity, expressing serious alarm over the potential

2457
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 1: lethality over what he had. This comes to us from

2458
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 1: Mark krigel over at ESPN.

2459
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:35,760
Speaker 2: Quote.

2460
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 1: It's from the doctor talking about Tao Fimal Lopez. He

2461
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 1: could have died for sure, said Linda dahl an O

2462
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: taranlogist eant with surgical privileges at three prestigious Manhattan hospitals.

2463
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 1: How he breathed, I can't even explain to you, she wrote.

2464
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 1: It's like somebody tied a three hundred pounds set of

2465
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 1: weights to his chest, like his neck and chest were

2466
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 1: in a vice. That's how he fought. Another doctor, Peter

2467
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:02,240
Speaker 1: at Constantine, executive director of the New York Head and

2468
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 1: Neck Institute. He is lucky talking about Toyofima Lopez. He's

2469
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 1: not dead, I mean really lucky. According to Lopez's medical records,

2470
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 1: the twenty four year old undisputed champion former unisputed champion

2471
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:19,160
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with mo metadiastium somewhere of the fuck that

2472
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 1: is I'm mispronouncing with quote extensive air in the retro

2473
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 1: affair neegeal space by emergency room doctors during his post

2474
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:31,360
Speaker 1: fight visit to Bellevue Hospital. The air was surrounding his

2475
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:33,960
Speaker 1: chest wall and his heart and his neck, places where

2476
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 1: air is not supposed to be, said Doll, who has

2477
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 1: worked as a ringside physician for the State Athletic Commission.

2478
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 1: If he was hit in the neck or the chest

2479
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 1: a certain way in a certain place, he could have

2480
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 1: developed newmo thorax, a collapsed lung. He would have instantly

2481
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 1: been down and unable to breathe, needing a chest to

2482
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: be se Does this change your perspective of what happened

2483
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 1: when he fought cambosis?

2484
01:56:56,240 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems pretty dangerous if I'm gonna be

2485
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 2: you know, Devil's advocate cynical. You know you could have

2486
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:05,160
Speaker 2: died in a boxing ring at any point. And number two,

2487
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:08,040
Speaker 2: I think the rightful cynical response is, you know, it

2488
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 2: didn't seem all that dangerous when he was doing that

2489
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 2: backflip for no reason in the middle of the ring.

2490
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:15,080
Speaker 2: After the loss obviously, though, Luke, I take the you know,

2491
01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 2: the advice, and I mean, like, if you're super cynical,

2492
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna say okay. The story was produced by ESPN,

2493
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:23,240
Speaker 2: the network that will air Tale Femo moving forward. Do

2494
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 2: they want to protect their asset for ratings? That's if

2495
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,640
Speaker 2: you're super cynical. I tend to care about people's health,

2496
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna say yeah, Luke. That seems like among

2497
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 2: the many many issues Tayo Femo had mentally coming in

2498
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 2: horrible strategy, all the stuff we talked about now physically

2499
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 2: on top of this, like, this is scary. This is

2500
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 2: very scary, Luke. Everyone in Australia will be doubled down

2501
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 2: with a you know, anger that I not only ranked

2502
01:57:50,640 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 2: Cambosis the sixth best lightweight in the game right now,

2503
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:56,360
Speaker 2: but that we continue to pile on the reasons why

2504
01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:59,960
Speaker 2: Tayo should have beaten him but didn't. I don't know, Luke,

2505
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 2: this seems really bad. Uh Is this a health concern

2506
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 2: moving forward? How do you get lung air in your

2507
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 2: chest like that? Luke? To begin with, I those guys

2508
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:10,640
Speaker 2: with the with the with the bong jousting must have

2509
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 2: a shit front of that.

2510
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:14,440
Speaker 1: Right, Well, they might, but the for folks like oh,

2511
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 1: how did he clear a medical exam? Because their routine

2512
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 1: prefive medical wouldn't necessarily have picked that up. It would

2513
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:22,520
Speaker 1: have had to they would have had to call for

2514
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 1: more invasive, thorough testing, which they didn't have, And so

2515
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 1: as a consequence, I gotta switch earphones here. They didn't

2516
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:31,280
Speaker 1: pick it up. It would if they would have had

2517
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,680
Speaker 1: to have known he had a condition in order to

2518
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:35,880
Speaker 1: find it to begin with. Oh Jesus Christ, I gotta

2519
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 1: fix my fucking screen now. So there's a couple of

2520
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 1: reasons why obviously didn't get picked up, But to me,

2521
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 1: it's super serious. Again, dude, this is not an argument

2522
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:49,440
Speaker 1: about whether George Cambosis boxed well. Do George Cambosa's boxed

2523
01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:53,000
Speaker 1: really well? But I'm sorry if you've been watching tape

2524
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,400
Speaker 1: on Lopez, he didn't look the same in this one

2525
01:58:55,400 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 1: as he had even in his own moments where he's

2526
01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:01,520
Speaker 1: had some some not so great heights, and certainly he

2527
01:59:01,560 --> 01:59:04,240
Speaker 1: didn't look even close to his peak. That doesn't mean

2528
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:06,120
Speaker 1: George can't or won't beat him in a rematch. It

2529
01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:09,000
Speaker 1: just means that night, sorry, that was not the guy

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01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 1: that we saw against Lomachenko, which just wasn't Australia.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I loved Paul Hogan, right, Crocodile and Dundee the

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Speaker 2: first one, even the second one was great. That no,

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Speaker 2: that's a knife right like that ship was great. But

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Speaker 2: I can't back this side of the argument though, Luke,

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Speaker 2: all right, all right, it's not Floyd Bayweather. All right,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's remind everyone that we love him, and let's

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Speaker 2: Luke is right on all those things. Use our code

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Speaker 2: mortgage on it, but I love it.

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Speaker 1: Okay. That's right. If you're gonna go out by the

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Speaker 1: on your underwear. There you go, morning combat.

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Speaker 2: Remind you of something, Luke. I know your your level

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Speaker 2: of faith and optimism on certain topics is you know,

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Speaker 2: it is what it is, Luke. Okay, you're a grown

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Speaker 2: ass man and I respect you. I love you. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I just want to remind you that Friday night is

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Speaker 2: the night when the what are those guys the fighter

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Speaker 2: Fighters Only magazine?

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Speaker 1: They got the worst Fighters Only World MM Awards.

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Speaker 2: I know we lost all those other podcast awards we

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Speaker 2: were up for, Luke, but we are up for best

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Speaker 2: MMA Programming this Friday. Against heavy hitters like ri L

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Speaker 2: and d C. Against short but heavy hitters like Joe

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Speaker 2: Rogan and Luke, we have a chance at least to

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Speaker 2: stand head and shoulders above them. Now us against Joe

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Speaker 2: at least heightwise, we already got that going on. But

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Speaker 2: shoe wise, that's tough. That's a tough pill to climb.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, you know, I don't know, well, as you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that good things ever really happened to me,

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Speaker 1: So I'm probably skeptical about our champ. But we will see,

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Speaker 1: we will see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, remember the Alamo. Things have happened in life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, people who are at the Alamo lost that battle,

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Speaker 1: just so that's clear. But okay, remember, yeah, I'll remember it. Also,

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Speaker 1: dot com for your fan subs on Wednesday for Friday's

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Speaker 1: dead wrong and uh what am I missing? You see

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Speaker 1: that looks like it's everything right.

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Speaker 2: No, Look, you did a great job today. It was

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Speaker 2: a huge weekend. We did a two hour show. There

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Speaker 2: were no technical errors. Sally was fantastic today. Okay, Gaff

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Speaker 2: and Mnietsche, you know, maybe take a walk all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, a long walk off a short pier bought

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Speaker 1: up bomb but bomp.

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Speaker 2: Hey, go find Jay and hang out together. All right.

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Speaker 1: I know now there. Now they're better at us. All right. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is it for Brian Campbell and I will be

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Speaker 1: back on Wednesday. Stay tuned for my extra Credit podcast

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Speaker 1: which will be out either later today, our first thing tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll see And yeah, that's it. That's Brian Campbell and

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Speaker 1: look Thomas. Thanks to Malka, thanks to CBS Sports, thanks

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Speaker 1: to Showtime, Thanks to all of you. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you soon, and until then, may all of your gains

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Speaker 1: be loyal