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Speaker 1: You were tuned about Drive on Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Goals Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm dale Away

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Speaker 1: here with Matt Walls and decision to Drive on Steeler

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Speaker 1: Stations Radio and Matt. Last week we took a look

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Speaker 1: at the top ten disruptors in the league according to the

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Speaker 1: the Next Gen Stats that was written by Nick Shook. Well,

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Speaker 1: Nick Shook also took a look at the next Gen

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Speaker 1: Stats top ten coverage players, and I thought we'd go

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Speaker 1: through that one because there's a Steeler on the list. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I stumbled into this the other day and this has

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Speaker 1: turned out to be a pretty good series. And no

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Speaker 1: offense to Nick Shook one way or another. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's just kind of compiling data from their next Gen stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know. There was things like best deep pass or

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Speaker 1: best pass rusher, as we mentioned, best cover guy. Uh

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Speaker 1: And then I happened just while we were you're talking there,

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Speaker 1: I pulled up a recent Pro Football Focus list. They

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Speaker 1: have the best their best corner list, so if we

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Speaker 1: need to, I was gonna reference that too. But this

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Speaker 1: is interesting because the Steeler might chock people very well.

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Speaker 1: May Um and he says, you're one one notable player

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Speaker 1: who did not make the top ten was Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: standout Trayvon Dicks, right, but another Dallas Cowboy player did.

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Speaker 1: But another Dallas Cowboys player did this. This is my

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Speaker 1: problem with cornerbacks and who makes the Pro Bowl and

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Speaker 1: who doesn't. Like Dig's had a whole bunch of interceptions

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Speaker 1: last year, which is fantastic. Never you're never gonna turn

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Speaker 1: those away. Nothing better than that take the ball away

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Speaker 1: to change the game. Right, But much like Marcus Peters,

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Speaker 1: he gives up a ton of big plays because he

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Speaker 1: gambles so much. Yes, and it's one of these lived

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Speaker 1: by the sword, Died by the sword things that just

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Speaker 1: drives coaches nuts. Yea. What I was gonna say is,

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Speaker 1: depending how your defense is made up, and maybe even

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Speaker 1: who your quarterback is, some teams will live with that

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Speaker 1: more than others. You know, like if you're the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: and Okay, we gave up a big play, we'll get

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Speaker 1: it back, or the Bills maybe, or a high flying offense,

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Speaker 1: or even like traditionally the last five ten years, the

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Speaker 1: big plays because they're very aggressive with blitz and realize

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Speaker 1: that's baked into their scheme and if we can cause

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Speaker 1: a big play extra because of it, so be it.

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Speaker 1: Where the Steelers are not a conservative defense at all,

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Speaker 1: but they don't they're a little conservative at the corner position,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's not just they want to

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Speaker 1: make you. They want to make you take ten twelve

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Speaker 1: down the field. Absolutely. I mean, as a rule of thumb,

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Speaker 1: they played more man coverage now, but they haven't had

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Speaker 1: the blitz the last year or so, so they don't

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Speaker 1: as much because they have such a good pass rush.

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Speaker 1: So looking at the top cover guys, uh, just listening

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Speaker 1: to the list were Kyle Dugger safety from the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: Scariot Darius Slay of the Philadelphia Eagles, and then Carlton

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Speaker 1: on Dugger because boy, we've made a living just bashing

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Speaker 1: the Patriot roster, which I still think stinks. But Dougger

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Speaker 1: might actually be their best player. Like, he's a good

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Speaker 1: young player. He's we never bring him up. He's on

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Speaker 1: the flashiest, biggest name guy, but he's one of the

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Speaker 1: guys you'd love to have on any team. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: number ten is Xavian Howard. UH. He had a seventy

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Speaker 1: making a ton of money. A big thing with him,

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Speaker 1: and this is a UH coach situation with them too.

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Speaker 1: I've read this one. You know that they they invest

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Speaker 1: so just missed the cut were Dugger Slay and his

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Speaker 1: free agency and got a long term extension. But they've

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Speaker 1: big money on Davis, they've had a pretty cheap defensive

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Speaker 1: how about it. Passer rating aloud with seventy three point

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Speaker 1: I think he's making like eighteen million a year. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised he didn't get more money. Me too.

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Speaker 1: given given how physical those Alabama practices are, Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: he doesn't allow receptions? Of course not, but I think

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Speaker 1: but neither did Joe Hay. He's like a young Joe Hayden. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: real good fit for the team. He's a very good fit. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: really isn't. Yeah, he's not. He's that nuts no longer.

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Speaker 1: The case. Number six is Anthony Brown of the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I would take him over Diggs if we're picking guys.

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Speaker 1: to know about the situation, you know. I mean Brown

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Speaker 1: number five. I have a bit of a problem with

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