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Speaker 2: Right. Wow, look at this guy? Could he be more

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Speaker 3: I got I just got destroyed by the son a

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Really, you know who doesn't fluctuate a lot? DC Well,

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Speaker 2: joins us now for a special edition of Room Service Diaries.

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell, and our guest John and Hi John.

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Speaker 1: Let's go South Florida. It's great to be here with you.

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Speaker 4: Boys, Dateline Fort Launerdale wanted to say that, really wanted it,

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Speaker 4: so it been a long time coming.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have you boys here.

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Speaker 5: I know, some travel trials and tribulations, but it's.

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Speaker 2: Great to be John, as you well know, so that

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Speaker 1: Doing great? You know, it's nice to have a home game.

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Speaker 5: We all often sort of wondered when Miami would happen.

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Speaker 2: I remember the last show, So maybe people don't know

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Speaker 1: This is Miami. This isn't three h five. You need

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, what was the angle going to be

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Speaker 5: Perhaps, and then also saw me as someone that maybe

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Speaker 1: The rest of my week. I love you, guys, I

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Speaker 2: Talk about this. So we have I'm not sure when

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Speaker 2: So walk me through UFC two eighty seven from the

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Speaker 5: I like this, Well, when I'm not in the back

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Speaker 5: But I have to know which fights have been canceled, right,

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Speaker 1: It's a beast Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So then the question goes, who did you learn

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Speaker 5: He's the greatest leader I've ever known. He's just a

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Speaker 5: Oh well, I remember I showed up for a dinner

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Speaker 1: I mean just he approached it like.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, but for Brian stan work hard, play hard

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Speaker 2: I always I always tell people, sorry, I always tell

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Speaker 5: feel the same about Dan Hardy, if I'm being completely truthful.

442
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Speaker 1: I just loved it huge.

443
00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,080
Speaker 2: So we just saw him in London. We did a

444
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:55,880
Speaker 2: podcast with him.

445
00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,639
Speaker 1: Basically your live show. He was our main guest. He

446
00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:58,720
Speaker 1: was Salt of the Earth.

447
00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,560
Speaker 5: Yeah he's great, But yeah, I mean, as much as

448
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,320
Speaker 5: I have a kinship with Kenny Floory and one of

449
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,760
Speaker 5: my best friends in the world. We host a podcast together,

450
00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,919
Speaker 5: Kenny and I weren't going out to every single meal together.

451
00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,159
Speaker 5: So when Brian stan sort of left me at the Altar,

452
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,200
Speaker 5: when I felt like we were really developing something, it

453
00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,359
Speaker 5: was very very difficult for me because just when people

454
00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,200
Speaker 5: started to hashtag stanic the dude went on to greener pastures.

455
00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,760
Speaker 1: That's a T shirt waiting to happen here, all right.

456
00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,240
Speaker 5: Guy fucking left me at the altar tag Stanic.

457
00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,080
Speaker 1: Wow, but hey, thank him for your freedom.

458
00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,120
Speaker 4: Just the same look. Obviously, you and I go way

459
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,600
Speaker 4: back to ESPN, so I've watched your rise years behind,

460
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,479
Speaker 4: but you know, could not be more proud of you.

461
00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,960
Speaker 4: I'd know the man underneath there the work ethics. So

462
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,840
Speaker 4: when I hear you explain your maniacal approach to him, like,

463
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,439
Speaker 4: I know that, I get that. But I get to

464
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,320
Speaker 4: call a little bit of this game too, the work

465
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,560
Speaker 4: I've done in showtime, and we call undercard fights together,

466
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 4: and especially when you're cage.

467
00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,960
Speaker 1: Side or ringside, we're fans at the end of the day.

468
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,199
Speaker 4: It's a drug, unlike anything else, to be part of

469
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,080
Speaker 4: the soundtrack of that happening. There are many little moments

470
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Speaker 4: where I still geek like whatever you know, twelve year old,

471
00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,640
Speaker 4: six year old, and I'm like, that was fucking awesome

472
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 4: and I got to do that. What are those elements

473
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,639
Speaker 4: of your job today that you that you are.

474
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,440
Speaker 1: Just like injected me. This is exactly what I want

475
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,760
Speaker 1: to be doing and where I want to do it.

476
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 5: When a champion breaks through for the first time and

477
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,680
Speaker 5: becomes a UFC champion, and there have been so many

478
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,959
Speaker 5: different instances, even recently on Behovich clover to Chero when

479
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,159
Speaker 5: rosnabi Unis back in the day knocked out, Joanna you

480
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,639
Speaker 5: j check Leon Edwards on and on it goes Brandon Moreno,

481
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,120
Speaker 5: Alexa Grosso. Those are the moments that I live for,

482
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,680
Speaker 5: when non champions, massive underdogs or otherwise.

483
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,360
Speaker 1: Come through that pain.

484
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,159
Speaker 5: You right, that feeling, that moment, that's what it's all about.

485
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 5: And I think the exhalation for me happens when I

486
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,479
Speaker 5: get back to my hotel room and there hasn't been

487
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,160
Speaker 5: any major disaster nor fire that we need to put out,

488
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 5: and people are relatively happy with the broadcast. But candidly,

489
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 5: as soon as Leon Edwards head kicks Kamara Usman and

490
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,679
Speaker 5: we cap it, I'm getting traffic right. Joe Silva, the

491
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,360
Speaker 5: great Hall of Fame matchmaker, would always try to talk

492
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,400
Speaker 5: to me about joy and you've got your dream job, man,

493
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,360
Speaker 5: don't forget to have fun. And it's like, yeah, bro,

494
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 5: but like there's too much shit going on for me

495
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 5: to think about fun. But I really try to embrace

496
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 5: those moments as best I can. And Joe Rogan certainly

497
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 5: adds the levity that I think brings out the best indies.

498
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Speaker 2: What do would you say is the point of the

499
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Speaker 2: broadcast from your perspective in terms of your role, do

500
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 2: you see your role as informative? Do you see your

501
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 2: role as like, what is the viewer supposed to get

502
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 2: out of the John Anick experience in your mind?

503
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 5: Well, mixed martial arts is an interesting navigation for a

504
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 5: play by play guy. We're not calling football where roles

505
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 5: are clearly assigned, right. I mean, if I'm calling a

506
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 5: football game and there's a first and tent, I got

507
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 5: all this real estate, and then once the play happens,

508
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 5: it happens, and then the analyst has all this real estate.

509
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 1: Right.

510
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 5: I have got to manage egos and a three man

511
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 5: broadcast booth and a lot of different things, but at

512
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 5: the height of my mind humanizing the greatest athletes in

513
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 5: the world, giving people a reason to care.

514
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: Right.

515
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 5: So sometimes if I lean more biographical than arm bar,

516
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 5: it's because I feel like that's what when I'm watching

517
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,360
Speaker 5: film I'm not getting from a play by play guy, and.

518
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 1: I want more of.

519
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 5: But also I'm thinking about family and friends watching these fights,

520
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 5: not necessarily the average mixed martial arts fan, right, so

521
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 5: they want to hear themselves be put over coaches are

522
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 5: a particularly sensitive lot, right, but family and friends. Right,

523
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 5: I'm providing the historical soundtrack for the moments of their

524
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 5: professional life. So when yan Behovich becomes the champion, I

525
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 5: don't just want to say something that's canned.

526
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 1: Now.

527
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 5: I don't know what I'm gonna say, but I bring

528
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 5: up that instance because we said poland your guy got

529
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 5: it done, and I feel like that call, however simplistic,

530
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 5: is going to withstand the test of time. So really

531
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 5: humanizing the athletes, providing the biographical stuff that I know

532
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 5: they and their families appreciate, and then making sure that

533
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 5: those championship calls fucking mean something because we've never had

534
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 5: a perfect one. Even when Michael Chandler knocked out Dan Hooker,

535
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 5: I think it his UFC debut, he didn't stick the landing,

536
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 5: and I'm ready to say sticks Ny.

537
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: He sticks the landing, kind of fucking suck the lady,

538
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: but he didn't stick the lading.

539
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 5: You know, never had a perfect show, never will, But

540
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 5: those championship calls I'm particularly focused.

541
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Speaker 4: Okay, here's what I love about that because I've always

542
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 4: been in love with the call any sport right across

543
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 4: the board, you know, and I love the guys. I

544
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 4: shout out people that I love, like like a moral

545
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 4: Ronal or even a Todd Grisham. Why love can go

546
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 4: zero to sixty in that moment and deliver it. Sometimes

547
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 4: that's theatrics in raw emotion. But I like that you

548
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 4: talk about the responsibility of I used to think about

549
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 4: it when I was a high.

550
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: School football reporter.

551
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 4: I used to think, you know, there's maybe a thousand

552
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 4: people coming to this game, but there might be forty

553
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 4: thousand people the next morning reading that story, going oh,

554
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 4: I want to see who won. I have the responsibility

555
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 4: of doing it the justice, focusing on the right things.

556
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 4: I love that you say that about the moment in

557
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 4: the big call, because you.

558
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: Can't plan it.

559
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 4: But these things become all time catchphrases, they become T shirts,

560
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 4: they become reference points.

561
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 1: So there is a responsibility right in that. It's not

562
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: just oh that's a clever new three word phrase. I

563
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: haven't used that before. Let me write it down just

564
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: like it exactly.

565
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 5: And I also think you need to be true to yourself,

566
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 5: like maul Ronalo was an influence on me, particularly when

567
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 5: it came to his energy. You guys see me like

568
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 5: I'm a sneaky lunatic off camera, right, I have this

569
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 5: maybe polished tell division persona. I'm fucking out of my

570
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 5: skull piece half the time right in real life. So

571
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 5: I think a lot of our fans, they certainly see

572
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 5: that on the Anakin Florin podcast. They see some of

573
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 5: that energy on our broadcast. But I'm glad you mentioned

574
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 5: Todd Grisham too, right, because he didn't have a lot

575
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 5: of UFC opportunities. Right. But justin Geatgee, Michael Johnson is

576
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 5: a call that will withstand the tests ultimate highlight right there,

577
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 5: it still it's still.

578
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: We have calls in any sport that stand in tyst

579
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: of time for you.

580
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 5: Yes and no again, my recall isn't great, but a

581
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 5: lot of those Boston championships breaking for the first I

582
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 5: got it.

583
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: This is this Redskins fan over here.

584
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 5: Commanders, If only Luke Thomas could have seen me driving

585
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 5: home from Sullivan Stadium in nineteen eighty three, and my

586
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 5: grandfather wants to listen to the whole postgame show and

587
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 5: it's Dan Marino and the Dolphins forty one Patriots seven.

588
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: We put in the time.

589
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I just there. I lived through

590
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 2: the twenty year era of Boston just dominating everything, and

591
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 2: I'm a little tired of it.

592
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 5: Well, and I'm sitting here right now the Boss and

593
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 5: Bruins and the Boston Celtics are essentially favored to win

594
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 5: the title. We don't feel particularly good about being front

595
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 5: runners like that.

596
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know what, fuck you, John, get out johnn.

597
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 4: Even if you can't reference the ones that drive you

598
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: the you know, do you believe in miracles, those ones

599
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 4: that just stand the test of time.

600
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Speaker 1: You've been lucky to be a part of a couple.

601
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: And the Leon Edwards fifth round headkick, high kick, whatever

602
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 4: you want to call it, against usman, I mean timing

603
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: helped you. Commitment to telling the story the right way

604
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 4: helped you. But even you couldn't imagine that it's that

605
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 4: perfect man like that. You're never going to see that

606
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 4: highlight ever without your voice attached to it.

607
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: Never, Well, thank you, man.

608
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 5: I would say probably the greatest moment of eleven plus

609
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 5: years working for the UFC was when I saw Leon

610
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 5: Edwards three months after that, and he just walked up

611
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 5: to me and he just said he's not cut from

612
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 5: that cloth and gave me a hug, you know, and

613
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 5: I referenced sort of those moments a guy breaking through

614
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 5: and effectively changing his or her life forever in that moment.

615
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 5: So yeah, we got lucky there, and we talked a

616
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 5: little bit about this off camera, but there was a

617
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 5: narrative about this sort of moral victory and it got

618
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 5: brought up one more time, and I just felt like,

619
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 5: in the nature of balance, I needed to bring it

620
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 5: back a little bit and better to be lucky than good.

621
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 5: But I had a nice conversation about that very call

622
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 5: with Dana White in London, which really was heartwarming for

623
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 5: me and my family. So uh, yeah, man, you know,

624
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 5: I got lucky on that one, to be sure. But

625
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 5: as far as capstoning the fights themselves, right, I really

626
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 5: try not to have too many things in my head.

627
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 5: When Demetrius Johnson was competing, I would always get in

628
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 5: my own head, like immortality.

629
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: How am I gonna properly lay this out?

630
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 5: Because this guy is just so great and he's chasing

631
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 5: Anderson silv and everything else.

632
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: And that's really the only time I've thought.

633
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 5: About words or phrases, and I really try to keep

634
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 5: that out of it. I make sure I know how

635
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 5: to pronounce Tijuana and Colombia.

636
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: It's tough about on killa.

637
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: You gotts. That's acceptable, that's acceptable. Yes, I'll out At

638
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: this time, all I was gonna say one of my

639
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: favorite ones is we've cut this out. We don't have

640
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: to keep it. But Steve Buckhanson DC with a dagger call.

641
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: Do you remember those dagger Yeah? It's rose right, those

642
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 2: is a pretty good one. I wonder like in do

643
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: you could you go to a MMA or boxing fight

644
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: as a fan. At this point he talks about sitting

645
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: cage side. So I've sat cage side, but only for

646
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: like my local amateur fights or something like that. I've

647
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: actually never sat like super cure. Well, I guess press row,

648
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: but I'm in my laptop half the time. It's atil

649
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: different now on your free time. Could you ever see

650
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: yourself being like, oh, how good to a fight and

651
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: then having seats that are good, but probably relative to

652
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: what you've been at rather ordinary. It's almost like kind

653
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: of I want to say, ruin the experience for you.

654
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: But it's changed it for sure.

655
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: It has. But I watched the monitor eighty percent of

656
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: the time.

657
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: Do you really tell me what the reason is why

658
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: the monitor is superior for you?

659
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: Well, it's not for me.

660
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Speaker 5: I mean, when Francis and Ghana used to fight, I

661
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Speaker 5: would watch Francis in the cage because, right, you got

662
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Speaker 5: into that personal experience. But no, I'm trying to call

663
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Speaker 5: out the angle that you're seeing at home. So I

664
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 5: really have to watch the monitor. But you have the

665
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Speaker 5: greatest seat in the world. So often we will cheat that,

666
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 5: and there's some nights where I just say, bucket, I'm

667
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 5: gonna watch the octagon action and just deal with the consequences.

668
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 5: But oftentimes that's not the angle that is being shown

669
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Speaker 5: at home.

670
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Speaker 2: So do your fellow broadcast partners do they mostly watch

671
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: the monitor or do they watch the action?

672
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Speaker 5: I think Daniel is aligned with me, but probably more

673
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 5: of fifty to fifty ratio. Rogan watches the octagon and

674
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 5: that's fine, you know, because I think we all provide

675
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 5: different angles, if that is, if we're all looking at

676
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 5: different things. Really not unlike the judges. But yeah, I mean,

677
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Speaker 5: I had a chance to go to karate combat a

678
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 5: few days ago in Miami, but just don't have the time.

679
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 5: It's not that I don't have the energy nor the desire.

680
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 5: If my kids were older and out of the picture,

681
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 5: certainly I would carve out a Saturday night and you know,

682
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 5: embrace the fans and everything that comes with it. But yeah, man,

683
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 5: I'm sick of watching the monitor. I do wonder what

684
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 5: the experience would be like to sit home and watch

685
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: a UFC pay per view because I used to really

686
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 5: enjoy that experience and haven't had it in six or

687
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 5: seven years.

688
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

689
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: I used to be even busy.

690
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I grew upack in the days

691
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Speaker 2: when everyone would get together at parties, and obviously they

692
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: still do, but that initial era at all change And

693
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: now I just watch fights in my office, like that's

694
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Speaker 2: just how it goes.

695
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Speaker 4: Somebody's been to as many fights and been as intimately

696
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: connected with calling them, you know, I get geeked.

697
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: Up just to talk about that. The moment, the feelings.

698
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: Has there been a fight yet not necessarily what's the

699
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 4: best fight ye're you've been at?

700
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Speaker 1: And man, is he versus gastellone?

701
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: Man?

702
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: That was just fuck?

703
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: Not yeah?

704
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: But so Cage, it's shelf that one.

705
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: What I'm asking you is what moment has felt the

706
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: biggest when it's they're about to touch gloves, when it's

707
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 4: round one, here we go and you're just like, you know,

708
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 4: cause there are different levels, you know, and if it's

709
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: a beam Connor, it might be because that was in contention.

710
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: But what is that moment that you're like, it doesn't

711
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 4: get any bigger than this.

712
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 5: Well, when fights have heat and friction on them, right

713
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 5: Usman Covington, I, I mean we're like shaking because we're

714
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: just fans. And oftentimes I say, they're thirteen super Bowls

715
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 5: a year, even if my team's not in the super Bowl,

716
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 5: the NFL Super Bowl, and the twelve UFC pay per views,

717
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 5: there's nothing quite like it when ros Nama units knocked

718
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 5: out Yoanna. I oftentimes will come back to that moment

719
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 5: because I still believe Joanna, the future Hall of Famer,

720
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 5: is the greatest shawwete I've ever seen. So I'm not

721
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 5: sure that I've ever been that stunned in that moment.

722
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 5: But close second, what Max Holloway did against Calvin Cater

723
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 5: on ABC historically the most statistically great and statistically significant

724
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 5: performance in UFC history. None of those records in terms

725
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 5: of thrown strikes landed strikes will ever be duplicated. I

726
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: was shook backstage with Max just sheer excitement as an

727
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 5: MMA fan to get a chance to talk to him.

728
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 5: I was doing like Facebook quick hits, so I got

729
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 5: to go interview.

730
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Speaker 1: Him in the back.

731
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Speaker 5: And I've never been more blown away by a singular

732
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Speaker 5: performance than Max Holloway on Virtue.

733
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Speaker 4: Oh so that night, for sure, I can't believe that,

734
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: speaking of the UFC two thirty six, that you called that,

735
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 4: of course right in Atlanta.

736
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we're sitting that close.

737
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Speaker 4: I was front Road of Media. We watched Gasolon out

738
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: of signing and it's great. And then you gotta call

739
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 4: Max versus Dust and in any other.

740
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Speaker 1: Year that may have been the fight of the year,

741
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: and no one ever talks about that.

742
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: It's it's like, you know, you're always wondering as a fan,

743
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: how are they going to top that? Do you ever

744
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: wondered that in the announcem booth? How are we going

745
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: to top that fight?

746
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: Did this just happen?

747
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 5: Adrenaline is a really powerful thing, and over an eight

748
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 5: hour broadcast, this is my chief responsibility is to allow

749
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 5: the analysts to shine right to my right, or higher

750
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 5: profile individuals that deserve more microphone time, and I'm there

751
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 5: to set them up and make them shine. So there

752
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 5: are gonna be times over an eight hour broadcast where

753
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 5: maybe I'll sense that the energy is evan and flowing

754
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 5: and I need to give more here and give a

755
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 5: little bit less there. But yeah, man, that actually that

756
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 5: night was pretty crazy because it's like, how much more

757
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 5: can you give? Like you saw my reaction when you

758
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 5: just brought up that fight. That's one of the greatest

759
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Speaker 5: fights that I've ever called. And Gaslam still I don't

760
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 5: think gets the credit for what he accomplished.

761
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Speaker 1: I saw like a champion that night.

762
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Speaker 4: Whether the members of my staff disagree about that or

763
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 4: the future of his career after that, he fought like

764
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: a champion that night, Bright and thank you very much.

765
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 5: Who decides the pairings Craig Borsorry, Zach Candido. But I

766
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 5: do think that I can tell you, guys, is now

767
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 5: that it seems like there is a motivation to domestically

768
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 5: have me, Joe and DC do the pay per views.

769
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems like the unless Joe won't travel or something.

770
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: That seems like the setup.

771
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 5: And Joe was going to come to London, but he

772
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: just had an issue with the date. We did get

773
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 5: him to commit on the air to do that. Leon

774
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 5: Edwards Kamara Usman rematch, but he wasn't able to make it,

775
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 5: But I do think there's a commitment to develop some

776
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 5: synergy and chemistry there.

777
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: You know, at.

778
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: Times I've bemoan the fact that I don't have a

779
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 5: more Joe Buck Troy Aikman relationship with my broadcast partners, right,

780
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 5: I mean, we couldn't be closer in terms of the

781
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 5: text threads and going to dinner with Rogan and Miami.

782
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 5: Everything's fine like that, but during fight week I'd like

783
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 5: to be hanging out with those guys all the time.

784
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 5: And our schedules don't always allow that.

785
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: You want me to be your stone?

786
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: Is that what you want our schedules allow.

787
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: You want me to be your Brianstein.

788
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: As a former Marine, I can be your Brian. Let

789
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: me just put that to you very clearly. I will

790
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: say this, Listen, the job you do is a great one.

791
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: It is a highly coveted one. You know, we think

792
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: the world of view.

793
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: I think you're the greatest of all time, and I

794
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: don't know you don't like hearing that. But to tackle

795
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: your point.

796
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: So we're talking about we see you in some ways

797
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: as appear but also as definitely an inspiration and more.

798
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: But you cannot do that job without being killed for

799
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: it half the time. And sometimes it's unfair, sometimes it's fair.

800
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: What criticism do you hate? What criticism about them? Not

801
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: just you, I mean the broadcast in general that you're

802
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: involved in, because something that you have obviously no control over.

803
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: What criticism do you just cannot stand? But what criticism

804
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: have you learned from?

805
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 5: I think there's more actually constructive criticism than there is

806
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 5: just hate for no reason. So certainly my biggest navigation

807
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 5: was that custody battle thing where I had two fighters,

808
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 5: Andre Yule and Chris Gutierres and they were fighting each other.

809
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: And for both of those fighters, both.

810
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 5: Of them have a son that is not in their

811
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 5: life for one reason or another, and I tried to

812
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 5: in the moment create some connective tissue, and custody battle

813
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 5: was probably poor phrasing. And as I've said publicly, you know,

814
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 5: not a day goes by where somebody isn't bringing up

815
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 5: the custody battle to me on social So that has

816
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 5: been frustrating for me because, as I said to you

817
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: guys earlier, my intention is always to put these guys

818
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 5: forward and shine the best possible light on them. And

819
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 5: for Chris Gutierrez, who has since become a dear friend

820
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 5: of mine. Right, Like when he wins that fight, he's

821
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 5: crying with Joe Rogan because he can't see his son.

822
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 5: So I know that I was doing the right thing

823
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 5: to bring up his son. I just didn't do it

824
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 5: in the right way. And sometimes I get frustrated that

825
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 5: now I have to live with that essentially every day.

826
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 5: But my skin is a lot thicker than it was,

827
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 5: certainly when I started. I try to stay in my lane.

828
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 5: I try to sort of adopt the less is more mantra.

829
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 5: You know, Pat Summer all back in the day, Touchdown Titans, right,

830
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 5: Just inflect the right way, It's.

831
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: All you need.

832
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 5: Bruce Connell, our late pay per view producer, will always

833
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 5: impart upon me. Less is more. When in doubt, lay out,

834
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 5: don't be afraid to pause. You think people want to

835
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 5: hear me talking about Kimora.

836
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Sweeps, do that on occasion, right, and.

837
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 5: You know, I you know, I know what a fucking

838
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 5: hip escape is. But generally speaking, right, I want to

839
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 5: stay in my lane. I want to, you know. But again,

840
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 5: if there are moments where it allows me a bunch

841
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 5: of real estate to do play by play, I'm absolutely

842
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 5: gonna do.

843
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: Still, the one that always gets me is that you

844
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: guys have a particular favorite in each each file, right

845
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: that one, I have a little bit of I'm like, dude,

846
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: they couldn't possibly coordinate that if they tried, Oh right,

847
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: my gosh.

848
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

849
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 5: And obviously public perception some times can be fueled by

850
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 5: the broadcast. There's never any sort of agenda, and I

851
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 5: think there are interpersonal relationship.

852
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: Yes, there of course is overlap in that sense. But

853
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: what I mean is is there a concerted effort from

854
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: Annik and his fellow broadcasters to make the crowd or

855
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: the audience viewing like one fighter more than another. That

856
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 2: to me has always seemed ludicrous, and yet it seems,

857
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: ever maybe there's nothing you can do about that, Like

858
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: it just seems like there's always going to be like

859
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: that kind of thing.

860
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: You know.

861
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 5: I felt a little bit validated when Israel Out of

862
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 5: Sonya fought Yoan Beohovich and Kenny Florian said to me, Hey,

863
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 5: for what it's worth, I know you guys are getting

864
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: fucking destroyed. I thought Out of Sonya won the fight, right.

865
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 5: So that was the fight in which Joe DC and

866
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 5: I I think absorbed the most criticism because a lot

867
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 5: of people felt like Yambohovich won that fight, and maybe

868
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 5: our call suggested that that fight was a little bit

869
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 5: closer than what the masses felt. But I'd say the

870
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 5: most constructive stuff for me is just all the scoring stuff, right,

871
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: because there are a lot of people who have a

872
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 5: very keen eye for this stuff, and you guys know

873
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 5: the evolution with the scoring and the criteria and dominance,

874
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 5: damage duration, everything else that the evolution if you really

875
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 5: want to know, I mean, it's more confusing than it's now.

876
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 5: And there are a lot of issues too that we

877
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 5: could get into behind the scenes. I mean, there's a

878
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 5: two hour conversation here in terms of criteria and judging

879
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: and everything else. But I find a lot of that

880
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 5: valuable and that's something that has been an evolution for

881
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 5: me in terms of learning that stuff and trying to

882
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 5: help my broadcast partners with some of that stuff, because

883
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 5: you know, I even still get rounds wrong, Like there

884
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: are scoring experts that I defer to online and Macy

885
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: Barber recently fought Andrea Lee, and again another learning experience

886
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 5: for me.

887
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: Five minutes is a long time on that regard, and

888
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 4: the systems different how you interpret the rules, but knowing

889
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: you a long time, sports betting is now a monster

890
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: thing everywhere, even on UFC broadcasts. You're actually up You're

891
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 4: actually updating during the middle of a fight that the

892
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 4: odds have shifted and this guy is now the favorite,

893
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 4: even though it looks like he's taking more damage. You

894
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: were so ahead of the game on being into not

895
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 4: only sports betting, maybe in a more degenerate time, but

896
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: into the idea that it could be mainstream in terms

897
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: of analysis that I.

898
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: Was back of the day at ESPN.

899
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 4: I remember telling you, like, I don't think you can

900
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 4: say that on the air, like that there's a line

901
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: and that there's betting. What do you make now, having

902
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 4: come from that and having always been keen to the

903
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 4: lines and the betting of it, that it's so mainstream

904
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 4: that you're actually addressing, Hey, guys, we got another big

905
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 4: bet for ten thousand on Adasania to win tonight.

906
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 5: So it's so in my vernacular, It is so second

907
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 5: nature to me. Gambling jargon, prohibitive, favorite, all of that

908
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 5: stuff is my world and has been since I was

909
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 5: at Gettysburg College illegally betting on one of the those

910
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 5: websites and placing ten dollars three team baseball parlays. I've

911
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 5: been doing this stuff every day since I was a

912
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 5: very little boy. My grandfather sneaking us into casinos. Gambling

913
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 5: is genetic. It runs in my blood. So certainly to

914
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 5: see the embrace, however long it took, was particularly satisfying

915
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 5: and fulfilling in some part because I feel like I

916
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 5: can talk about I can take three bong hits, drink

917
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 5: eight beers, and I can talk gambling UFC like it's

918
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 5: nothing right because that stuff is much more in my

919
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 5: little house than mixed martial arts. Well, no, it's like

920
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 5: I'm not some I'm not some lifelong martial artists, but

921
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 5: what I am is a lifelong sports better.

922
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: Sure.

923
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: So yes, it's been absolutely unbelievable. When I retire, I'm

924
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 5: gonna bet on these fights like crazy.

925
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose money.

926
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 5: I don't think I would do well if I was

927
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 5: contractually allowed to bet on these fights.

928
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: But it's been great.

929
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 5: And I will say for the record, when Kobe Covington

930
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 5: came at me my local book in South Florida, was

931
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 5: ready to go.

932
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: He was ready to throw down, he was ready. He

933
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: was really good to go. You mentioned this like what

934
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: is your Do you have a five or ten year plan?

935
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: I know you recently resigned with the organization? What is

936
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: the You're free agent for a HU second one right

937
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: or maybe getting close to it or something. You had

938
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: a contract renewal. But I guess I'm wondering, what is

939
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: this next phase for you in your mind going to

940
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: look like?

941
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 5: Well, my eleven year old daughter says she wants to

942
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 5: go to Florida Atlantic and live at home, so that

943
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 5: seems very cost efficient. So that could change things, right,

944
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 5: but depends. I don't know, man, Like I'm wondering aloud

945
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 5: to you, Am I supposed to put three kids through college?

946
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: Or they just going to do career training.

947
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 5: I don't really know how much money I need to

948
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 5: make before I can retire, but I have long said

949
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 5: that Joe Rogan will probably outlast me. I do feel

950
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 5: like there's a good chance that I will burn out

951
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 5: before a lot of these guys one hundred nights at

952
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 5: the end of this contract, it'll be one hundred nights

953
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 5: a year on the road for fifteen straight years. And

954
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 5: I feel like then my eldest daughter entering high school

955
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 5: maybe deserves to have a little bit more normalcy. Now

956
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 5: there's a whole other argument to this, and there's a

957
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 5: lot of people who sacrifice a lot more than I do,

958
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 5: spend a lot more time I'm away from their families

959
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 5: than I do. But I was that homesick camper, Like

960
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: every time I leave my house, I get emotional now

961
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: and I get perpetually more emotional as I get older.

962
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 4: So pictures of the dogs get texted by the wife.

963
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 4: I started tearing up.

964
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 5: You know, you just so to think that I'll be

965
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 5: doing internationals in ten years, I just don't. I don't

966
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 5: see me leaving the US regularly, you know, five ten years.

967
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: Down the line.

968
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 5: But I have my dream job and just trying to

969
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 5: sort of navigate that that work life balance. You know,

970
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 5: if I never call an NFL football game, I think I.

971
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: Would feel just about to ask you a little.

972
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 5: Bit unsettled with that, you know, like feed up in retirement.

973
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 5: But I'm not blind to the fact that I haven't

974
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 5: called any sort of major football game in eight years.

975
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 5: And you know, I kind of I hitched myself to

976
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 5: this wagon knowing that you know, I might I might

977
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: not get that opportunity.

978
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: So that was interesting. So, like one of the big

979
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: differences from our perspective on the outside is that I

980
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: think it's fair to say that UFC's profile with ESPN

981
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: has certainly grown significantly. But of course the Fox deal,

982
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: I remember how big a deal that was, and it

983
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: really was. But one of the interesting things was it

984
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: seemed like Fox Sports would let you guys experiment a

985
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: little bit more. I know that my Goldberg obviously got

986
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: a chance to call, but even sideline reporting Megan o'levy

987
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: got to do some stuff. And I think still does

988
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: you got a chance to go and moonlight. I think

989
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: Brian stant there was just a lot of cross pollination.

990
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: ESPN seems like a little bit more siloed off for

991
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: better or for worse. I wonder do you still have

992
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: some designs or maybe in the back of your mind, man,

993
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: it would be kind of cool to call X or

994
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: Y or Z.

995
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 5: So when Craig Borsari, my chief bossy at the UFC,

996
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: let me call the last college football game in twenty fifteen,

997
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 5: he said one time, only sort of thinking that.

998
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: So I don't know that I would.

999
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 5: Even go back bark back up that tree necessarily unless

1000
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 5: it was an NFL opportunity. I also wasn't the number

1001
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 5: one guy for the UFC when I was afforded that opportunity.

1002
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: So I don't know how I would handle an opportunity.

1003
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: But I love football, you know.

1004
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 5: I grew up a Patriots season ticket holder from a

1005
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 5: very young age, and that's the biggest sport in my family.

1006
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 5: So the NFL, I think will always have some pull

1007
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 5: for me. But I don't know.

1008
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty good.

1009
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 5: You know, there were a lot of people when I

1010
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 5: left ESPN in twenty eleven who said, you know, it

1011
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 5: took you a long time to get to ESPN, and

1012
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 5: now you're just gonna leave for this mixed martial arts opportunity.

1013
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 5: You know what would have happened had I stayed at ESPN?

1014
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 5: Would I get myriad football opportunities?

1015
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: I really don't know.

1016
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 5: Could I get a college football game right now? Got

1017
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 5: a lot of play by play guys that are contractually

1018
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 5: given a lot of games, right Could I get a game?

1019
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: Maybe? We'll see what Craig Ward sorry thinks.

1020
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: About bro who has Joe Buck and Troy They got

1021
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: the cushiest gig in broadcasting right because they're a pair,

1022
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: So when you sign them, you need to sign both,

1023
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 2: which means they have doubled the leverage. Everyone knows them

1024
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: for the most. Everyone hates every football commentator, but at

1025
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: the same time love them, like people kill Tony Romo,

1026
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: but you know they love him.

1027
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: At the same tack. He's got a pretty good to.

1028
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: He's got a pretty fucking good deal. But that's the goal,

1029
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: right to get to a pair that you're a package deal,

1030
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: you're the top slot for all broadcasts.

1031
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: That's he's already taken with Brian Staniel.

1032
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: I understand. I mean, I mean in other sports, that's

1033
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: like that's got to be peak, right sure.

1034
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 5: And I also think too, I work for a promoter.

1035
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't work for the network.

1036
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 5: The UFC still controls the entire live production, right, so,

1037
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 5: and we're we're opening up the uh the closet here

1038
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 5: a little bit. But if I was the lead voice

1039
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 5: of the UFC and ESPN controlled that production, I'd probably

1040
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 5: make more.

1041
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: Money, Okay, fair enough, right? Yeah?

1042
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: Probably?

1043
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: Well.

1044
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 5: Also, I'm not saying I would be even one fiftieth

1045
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 5: of Joe buck stratosphere. But if ESPN pays for the

1046
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 5: rights to the UFC and then they want me, it's

1047
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 5: the UFC that wants me to be the number one

1048
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 5: guy right now, it's not necessarily ESPN. Yeah, yeah, but

1049
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 5: if ESPN wanted me to be the lead play by

1050
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 5: play voice, you know.

1051
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: Do you feel like, you know, there's been times as

1052
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: a sports fan there's been like commentators and I'm like, Okay,

1053
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: if that guy's call or that even that girl, if

1054
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: they're calling that fight or that event or that sport,

1055
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: I'll watch. But then if it's someone else, like a

1056
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: lot of times you'll get like your local commentators, then

1057
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: it'll be a national game. It's like, I don't want

1058
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: to hear.

1059
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: That Augus Johnson effect. You'd follow people if they were

1060
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: your guy?

1061
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you feel like with the UFC because the

1062
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 2: fan turnover is significant, it is, so do you feel

1063
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: like you could be that kind of person for MMA fans?

1064
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you're already that person?

1065
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: I hope so.

1066
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 5: I never would have been comfortable even answering that question

1067
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 5: a few years ago. You know, I think things have

1068
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 5: changed a lot for me over the last several years,

1069
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 5: and part of that, candidly is Joe Rogan putting me

1070
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 5: over and being so supportive publicly of me, and that

1071
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: sort of I think helping my public approval rating. But

1072
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: we're there for twenty five plus shows a year. The

1073
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: athletes are there for like one point seven on average, right,

1074
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 5: two three fights a year. So yeah, I mean I

1075
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 5: take that very seriously. And ultimately, when I hear praise

1076
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 5: from guys like you that I hold in such high regard,

1077
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 5: it's like, at the end of the day, you know,

1078
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 5: I'm just a normal dude trying to be as listenable

1079
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 5: as possible over eight hours, and I'm judged on every utterance,

1080
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 5: and in particular with Luke right, your mixed martial arts

1081
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 5: acumen is so far elevated compared to mine, right, and

1082
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 5: even someone like you might be judging my every utterance, right,

1083
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 5: And so the fact.

1084
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: That I actually don't, I don't have to worry about you,

1085
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: that's the difference.

1086
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 5: But yes, I mean, certainly when fans come up to

1087
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 5: me and say like.

1088
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: That it was so arrogant, you're like I would if

1089
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: you were worse.

1090
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: No, no, No, what I'm saying is I have such extraordinary

1091
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: trust I don't ever have to worry that he's not

1092
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: going to fill that. That's what I mean.

1093
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 5: But no, I mean I never thought fans would come

1094
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 5: up to me or write to me like hey, it

1095
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 5: just feels different when you're not there. That is the

1096
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 5: ultimate compliment, because ultimately we're trying not to get in

1097
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 5: the way more than be great.

1098
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 4: You know, well, I know you wouldn't be here right

1099
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 4: now if it wasn't for a little engine that could.

1100
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: Back in like two thousand and eight at ESPN, where

1101
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 4: getting mixed martial arts to be talked about on digital

1102
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 4: television or even print was almost still like prostitution or.

1103
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: Something right or pornography. You know, it was one of

1104
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: those things.

1105
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: But Emma Live happened at ESPN when you and I

1106
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: used to sit next to each other, and the offshoots

1107
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: of that are pretty amazing.

1108
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1109
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: The late Anthony Mormile has sun.

1110
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: Mikey's my producer here at CBS Sports, and I love that.

1111
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: Karen Portley, who hired us here, is the other brains

1112
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 4: behind that. Zach Candido, a name you mentioned, is now

1113
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: producing at the highest level. Molly Karum Rashad Evans broadcasting

1114
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: career got kicked off there, Kenny Florian shout out to

1115
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 4: Franklin McNeil, Right.

1116
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: Matt, how about Gareth Davies just got shut down by

1117
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: Connor Ben had a big there you.

1118
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: Go, You know I could sing the old the old

1119
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: thing song here that that fan sent in about, you know,

1120
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 4: anecdotext and driving I get fired up. But looking back

1121
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: on that man that got all the that got to

1122
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: the level of TV, granted at two am, but that

1123
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 4: got to the level of TV on ESPN. And suddenly

1124
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 4: you're at a desk overlooking the arena at a time

1125
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 4: at ESPN when that was basically impossible. You're not here

1126
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 4: in this scene in the octagon without that show, Now.

1127
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, did you guys not cover the weigh

1128
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: ins for Saint Pierre Penn two? It was on ESPN.

1129
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: Do you not remember this?

1130
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 5: No?

1131
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: Vaguely, It was just like UFC ninety four something.

1132
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: Something like that. And I believe I remember. I was

1133
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: at the girlfriend I had at the time, was watching.

1134
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: It was like, well this is now officially big ten time.

1135
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 5: Oh okay, you said, did you guys not, Yes, we did.

1136
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 5: I thought you were saying that maybe we missed.

1137
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: No, no, I think that was the moment that Crystal Love.

1138
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 5: So you have seen ninety three and ninety four, the

1139
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 5: first two shows that we actually took the show on

1140
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 5: the road. So yes, a huge point in time and

1141
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 5: my memory isn't great, but I remember a lot of

1142
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 5: those early conversations as we were fighting for Mixed Martial

1143
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 5: Arts when nobody gave a hoot and candidly, you know,

1144
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 5: Stuart Scott was the guy who probably should have been

1145
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 5: hosting MMA Live, but it was a digital property on

1146
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 5: ESPN dot com. And the only reason I got an

1147
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 5: audition was because I hosted the Mouthpiece boxing radio show.

1148
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 5: So I was some guy under the digital media banner

1149
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 5: who had anything resembling a combat If you were a.

1150
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 4: Guy sitting there and you had the potential that you

1151
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 4: could get plugged in, it was amazing, right, I mean,

1152
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 4: I was a researcher on that show, just because like

1153
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 4: you're saying, oh, that's a fight guy, you're working on

1154
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 4: the show.

1155
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 5: So again, it was Brian Kenny, Stuart Scott and me, essentially,

1156
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 5: if memory serves, as the only guys under that roof

1157
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 5: who had anything resembling a combat sports background. So I

1158
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 5: got the chance to do MMA Live, and certainly the

1159
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 5: rest is history. And yeah, there are a lot of

1160
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 5: people still, you know, making an imprint the in the

1161
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 5: mixed martial arts world. But yeah, man, just back then

1162
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 5: and we're still fighting battles at ESPN. So let's be clear, right, Like,

1163
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 5: there's still kind.

1164
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: Of what kind of battles.

1165
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 5: Well, certainly when we were at Fox or a major

1166
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 5: cornerstone of everything they're doing, and that is the case

1167
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 5: at ESPN, but there are a lot there's competition exactly

1168
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 5: during football season and otherwise. And so yeah, we want

1169
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 5: as much as possible, you know, we want to with respect.

1170
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 5: I can't bang on hockey. Everybody gets upset when I

1171
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 5: talk about hockey, but we want that for slot in

1172
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 5: the mainstream top four and we think hockey is.

1173
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: I don't think hockey is there anymore.

1174
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 5: Soccer has taken that hockey has a global following. That

1175
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 5: gets me in trouble when I start to talk about hockey.

1176
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 5: But no, I just feel like the UFC domestically has

1177
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 5: never been in a better place. But we still have

1178
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 5: to fight at ESPN, even when you know, when we

1179
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 5: do some national appearances for them, you know, maybe the

1180
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 5: angle at which they're attacking a John Jones fight isn't

1181
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 5: maybe the angle that I would like them to be

1182
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 5: attacking it front.

1183
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: I want to go back to the Rogan thing, like I,

1184
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: how did you develop a relationship with him? Because it's

1185
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: got to be weird, right, because when you begin to

1186
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: work with him, he was already a very famous celebrity,

1187
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: and his celebrity has actually only grown over time. How

1188
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: did you approach trying to be a friend or a colleague? Well,

1189
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: because it could be where for folks who've never when

1190
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: there's someone really famous that you have to work with,

1191
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: you almost become subservient in a way, unnecessarily, but it

1192
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: can happen. So how did you forge a friendship with

1193
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: him that made it all work?

1194
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 5: It's a great question, and it is a tricky navigation.

1195
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 5: The first time I work with Joe Rogan, you have

1196
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 5: see one fifty five in twenty twelve on three days notice, right,

1197
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 5: So I've been on the payroll for a year and

1198
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 5: Mike Goldber couldn't do the show, so they called me

1199
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 5: on Christmas Eve told me I'm getting called up to

1200
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 5: the big leagues. I was probably stoned. I was probably

1201
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 5: freaking out right, But from moment one he embraced me

1202
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 5: and pushed out a very nice tweet after the fact,

1203
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: and then we got a chance to do a fight

1204
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 5: night together in twenty thirteen. But you're right, his celebrity

1205
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 5: obviously paled back then compared to what it is today.

1206
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 5: But he's just the real article. He's just such a

1207
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 5: genuine guy. And I know that that sounds trite, but

1208
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 5: it's very easy to sort of break down that a

1209
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 5: list wall when he's just Joe Rogan, fucking comedian pothead

1210
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 5: talking about coffee. We talk about the UFC like people

1211
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 5: always want to know what we talk about, Like most

1212
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 5: of the time we talk about fighting. Right, I'm having

1213
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 5: issues with my podcast studio, So when I see him

1214
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 5: in Miami, that's like, first order of business, what do

1215
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 5: I do? But for the most part, he's he's just

1216
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 5: a super super guy and has embraced me to such

1217
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 5: an extent. And I will say too about Joe, and

1218
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 5: it's crazy to me that he's never speaks to where MMA.

1219
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 5: Isn't the fact that he's never been nominated for a

1220
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 5: National Emmy. He's an elite sports analyst in every part

1221
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 5: of the job and he has never been acknowledged, and

1222
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 5: that frustrates me, at least domestically. But he went from

1223
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 5: being into two man booth his whole career and then

1224
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, it's like, oh, by the way,

1225
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 5: we're letting your play by play guy, go, here's John Annick,

1226
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 5: and we're also going to stick an athlete on the

1227
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 5: other side. And he didn't blink, didn't bat an eye.

1228
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 5: And I will say, humbly, I think he's never had

1229
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 5: more fun doing this job. And I think he would

1230
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 5: admit that to you if he was here. And that's

1231
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 5: our focus is to keep him doing it because everything

1232
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 5: feels elevated and more dynamic when he's there, and I

1233
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 5: want to make sure that he's still having funds.

1234
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: I agree, I like his presence there.

1235
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 4: But at the UFC pickup games, you're like, oh, I

1236
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: got Rogan. I'm posting him up right away.

1237
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you dunk on Rogan a lot, right, like the

1238
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: Shack Gift. Who's the Shack Gift where he dunks on

1239
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: guy and then pushes.

1240
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 4: Him Chris Christudley had to throw the ball out of it. Yeah,

1241
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 4: you're like, I'm taking Rogan to the post right there.

1242
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: No, No, he makes Rogan height jokes on.

1243
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: It's a thing he does just she would make him

1244
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: on it. How many inswes do you think I got

1245
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: on Joe. I think you got at least five.

1246
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: I've seen them both in person, maybe three.

1247
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: You're a point guard by nature. I don't know if

1248
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: Joe's got a handle. You know he's got he's got

1249
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: other careers. He's doing well there in that regard. Might

1250
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: dress like a bus boy at this level, but that

1251
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: you know, that's fine.

1252
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: Who among us has it? Yeah, at recent showtime, Benavitez

1253
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: versus plan.

1254
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: Events, I am that right now for sure?

1255
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: Who dresses you, Mark Russell?

1256
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: I have a local guy in South Florida.

1257
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 5: He is outstanding, and I will say it's so much

1258
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 5: more about the tailoring and the fit than it is

1259
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 5: anything else.

1260
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: So okay, so how does it? Okay does this work?

1261
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 2: Because I've seen certain television shows where they dress you, dude,

1262
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: does the UFC give you a stipend? Like? How does

1263
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: it work? It's just totally out of pocket from you.

1264
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: No, So it's been evolutionary.

1265
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 5: David August, who does Codor McGregor's suits, did my suits

1266
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 5: for a while, Mark Russell. I got connected with him,

1267
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 5: I believe through Gilbert Erino Burns, who also connected me

1268
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 5: with my trainers. Here to suit of human performance outstanding.

1269
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 5: Fucking let us on Gilbert Burns right now. But to me,

1270
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: it's just about the fit. This dude, knows how to

1271
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 5: fit my body sort of a little bit awkward right,

1272
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 5: long legs. I'm kind of barrel chested, right, I don't

1273
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 5: know if that's the right word, but I'm a little

1274
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 5: bit thick in the chest. So he's a masterful tailor

1275
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 5: and a really good dude. The UFC gives him a

1276
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 5: stipend every year. And uh, you know, I do trot

1277
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 5: out a new suit for most pay per views, but no,

1278
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 5: I never thought of that though. Well that's only because

1279
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 5: Mark Russell doesn't want me wearing like the same stuff

1280
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 5: for me. It's like I actually approached DC and Joe

1281
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 5: and I was like, dude, let's just go black tie

1282
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 5: for all pay per views, keep it simple.

1283
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: And Joe said he would do it.

1284
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: Joe said he would do it.

1285
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think DC is the bigger issue.

1286
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: You can put him in the put him in sweater.

1287
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: Put him a sweater with the UFC logo. That'd actually

1288
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: work for him.

1289
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: Right, you know you guys say you can put him

1290
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: in the footlocker. Think he wore at WWE.

1291
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: Oh, they did not do him any favors with that refshirt.

1292
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about?

1293
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: When DC phill I do you know what you're talking.

1294
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: They did not do them any favors. I mean, I

1295
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: try not to bang on DC though.

1296
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: He's having fun. Bro, he's just having, He's just having.

1297
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: He has set himself up for such a dude. I

1298
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: literally have had conversations with people and then not like bullshit,

1299
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: people in the industry who have told me, like I

1300
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: think that there's a good chance Cormier could eventually be

1301
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: the face of the UFC. And that's not crazy at

1302
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: all to say.

1303
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 5: He can do whatever he wants, right. He could do

1304
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 5: Good Morning America, he could do movies. He doesn't necessarily

1305
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 5: want to act. He's turned down a lot of acting opportunities.

1306
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 5: But I mean when Israel d a Sonia says the

1307
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 5: world is his oyster after fighting, he ain't wrong. And

1308
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 5: for DC, he can really do anything in the space.

1309
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 5: I just think for him and for a lot of us,

1310
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 5: it's about crystallizing what you want to do and what

1311
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 5: you don't want to do. Because when I got to

1312
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 5: ESPN and I got a chance to host on ESPN News,

1313
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 5: it crystallized for me that I don't want to be

1314
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 5: a sports center anchor. I don't want to be doing

1315
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 5: highlights in a cold studio in Bristol, Connecticut. I want

1316
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 5: to be doing live events. And if you can crystallize

1317
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 5: not just what you want to do, but what you

1318
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 5: don't want to do, I think that can really help them.

1319
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 4: If you can get someone in your career like the

1320
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 4: rule John played for me at a certain point that

1321
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 4: kicked me in the ass and said that not only

1322
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 4: you could.

1323
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: Be, you should be there.

1324
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 5: Can I take thirty seconds just to say that Brian

1325
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 5: Campbell was this encyclopedic boxing mind who was sitting in

1326
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 5: an editor's cuba with adult braces for a year. He

1327
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 5: did he he did have braces, and I'm hosting this

1328
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 5: boxing radio show and he's this tremendous asset to me.

1329
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 5: And as our relationship evolved, I'm thinking, dude, how is

1330
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 5: this dude not on air? And the cream rises.

1331
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: I needed that.

1332
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 4: So you believe it in me, and you know the

1333
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 4: famous story You're like, I got Bernard Hopkins coming in

1334
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 4: and he's my favorite fighter of all time, but you

1335
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 4: want to interview him And I didn't take you up

1336
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 4: in the offer, but those moments matter. So the fact

1337
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 4: that you saw something in me and you cared that,

1338
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 4: it's part of why I'm here, and I.

1339
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: Think he just felt bad for you because you were

1340
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: doing whippets in the parking, you know.

1341
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: In high school at the Arby's and doing no question.

1342
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: He told me a story, Jay, he told me a story.

1343
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, this is real. What happened one time

1344
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't I was in the back of an Rby's

1345
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: doing whippits with my friend.

1346
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that that was made

1347
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: for television story.

1348
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: But we can cut this part out. It's fine, we

1349
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: can edit it. I just want to say I was like,

1350
00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: you come a long way.

1351
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I also added in you got to get

1352
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 4: the jamocha shake with the beef and shad, which is

1353
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 4: a perfect transition because what I know about the John

1354
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: that I used to hang out with every night in

1355
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 4: Bristol was you're not the chose, You're not the chubby host.

1356
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: And you've kept that together and I appreciate that.

1357
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 4: But you love yourself a good fast food binge, an

1358
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 4: aggressive fat, like a thirteen dollars fast food, like you

1359
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 4: at Taco Bell all the time, where you're like seventy

1360
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 4: four dollars a Taco Bell to yea.

1361
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Brian knew me at a time in my

1362
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 5: life where four days a week I was commuting from Watertown,

1363
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 5: Massachusetts to Bristol, Connecticut, ninety minutes each way. But I

1364
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 5: was doing three hours, four days a week, and we

1365
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 5: were on that McDonald's train hard. But now the McDonald's

1366
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 5: order has evolved a little bit, right, You got to

1367
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 5: go with the food modification so that they make it fresh. Right,

1368
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 5: I've always gotten my being back no cheese, but now

1369
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 5: we go fucking hamburger, no mustard. You're getting a fresh hamburger.

1370
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 5: All the other ones that have been sitting there have mustle.

1371
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: I did not know this hack.

1372
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 5: So and there's certainly people in front of you that

1373
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 5: are going to be clogging up the line anyway, So

1374
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 5: it's not always me.

1375
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: What's the most South Floorida thing about you? Now?

1376
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 5: Gosh, man see, it's the pop culture too much. No,

1377
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 5: I am not a gun owner, but Michael bisbeye and

1378
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 5: I don't like to admit that on cameras.

1379
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 4: So, uh what the most the whole audience was on

1380
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 4: the Gen six steps with that, milit says we could.

1381
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: Probably hit that part on two. But yeah, all right,

1382
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: there you go. Okay, the most South Florida thing about

1383
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: me would just have to be just.

1384
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 5: I never thought I'd be like that beachy guy, like

1385
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 5: going to the beach. Beach I do, yeah, and I'm

1386
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 5: twenty minutes from the beach, but uh, it's it's a

1387
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 5: great thing. So yeah, that and just the whole early

1388
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 5: nature of my life. I'm not really as much of

1389
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 5: a sports fan anymore because it's five thirty am wake

1390
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 5: up and usually nine to thirty pm.

1391
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: Why do you get up with five thirty Well, one

1392
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: of my.

1393
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 5: Kids, you know, my son today four forty five am,

1394
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 5: decides that he wants to walk into my room and

1395
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 5: start his day.

1396
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: Thanks Hunter. Well we calling him Bino is of all Bino.

1397
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, like I mean, did you you did

1398
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: time with Bino Cook at ESPN?

1399
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

1400
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: May he rest in peace, the great Pano Cook.

1401
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 5: But yes, the h Man Hunt o Hunt o Bean Bino.

1402
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: Yes, love that.

1403
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 4: I don't mean to bring a dire note to our

1404
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 4: fun fast food talk, but I was John, and this

1405
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 4: is serious, recently diagnosed with a non alcoholic.

1406
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: Fatty liver disease.

1407
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: That's true.

1408
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 4: And what my doctor essentially said was, you know, I

1409
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 4: can see you've eaten out of fast food and gas

1410
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 4: stations for most of your life. And I'm like, it

1411
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: was the way I was raised, so you know, there

1412
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 4: is a limit to how much fun.

1413
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: What was his reputation at ESPN, not your impression, his

1414
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: reputation whimsical. That's a nice way of saying stupid. I mean,

1415
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: it's a.

1416
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: Nice way of saying he trauma. You know, we clicked

1417
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: right away.

1418
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 5: But I do think that that I was able to

1419
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 5: break down his wall, maybe more quickly than others. And

1420
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 5: I would also say that there was a lot of

1421
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 5: frustration in him that I saw at that point in time,

1422
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 5: because he this is what his future should have been,

1423
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 5: and it seemed at that point in time, like when

1424
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 5: I left ESPN, I you know, I don't know I

1425
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 5: would have bet on him, but I was trying to

1426
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 5: bet on him getting the opportunity. And when you get

1427
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 5: hired as editor, it's just hard.

1428
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: To hard to change roles. Yes, that's why I was

1429
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: talking about La Senko too, like she started like backstage

1430
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: or side the memy equivalent is of sideline reporting. I'm

1431
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: like to convince the producers that you can not only

1432
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: you shouldn't do that, but that you should in fact

1433
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: be calling the fights in the booth. That's almost impossible

1434
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: to do, almost impossible.

1435
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 5: Right, Thank goodness, she's been able to do it because

1436
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 5: in terms of providing the why and the how and

1437
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 5: explaining the grappling in particular, she's giving you exactly what

1438
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 5: an analyst is supposed to be given you.

1439
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: So I look forward to working with her.

1440
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 5: But yes, it's hard and again crystallizing what you don't

1441
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 5: like to do and don't want to do, And for her,

1442
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 5: I think that was as important as anything else. Right,

1443
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 5: she might have been able to do both, but she

1444
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 5: didn't want to be that reporter and made it known.

1445
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: If your kids, sorry the last one for me on

1446
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: this one, if your kids wanted to do what you do,

1447
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: would you encourage it, knowing how hard it's been for you?

1448
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: I would.

1449
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 5: I think my eldest daughter sort of. You know, she

1450
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 5: has read a teleprompter at this point in her ejucative quest,

1451
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 5: and I do think that at some point in time

1452
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 5: that she would probably entertained going into the television world.

1453
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 5: I don't know that they would necessarily go into sports,

1454
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 5: but I think that news or television would appeal to them.

1455
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 5: And you know, they're still very much in their formative

1456
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 5: years and not really understanding what they want to do.

1457
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 5: But they are a little bit enamored with like fame,

1458
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 5: you know, they like when Daddy gets recognized.

1459
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: You just not by Colby coming too.

1460
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe maybe we should Maybe you should have

1461
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 4: been a South Florida guy.

1462
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: You could have advised Colby that the pivot was to

1463
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: go the Disantis way ahead of twenty four. That was

1464
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: the That was the pivot.

1465
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 4: But to close on that full circle, you've said great

1466
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 4: things to us on and off camera about your many

1467
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 4: broadcast partners, a lot of them great UFC champions who

1468
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 4: have made that transition. Is there anyone that's an active fighter,

1469
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 4: whether or not you think they're made for broadcasting or not,

1470
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 4: but you're like that personality or getting to know them

1471
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 4: a little. I love to qualifight with them because I

1472
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 4: always wondered, like, what would Connor McGregor look like in

1473
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 4: an actual fight calling someone of that level of fame, Sarah,

1474
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 4: have you ever come across the fight You're like, I may.

1475
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: See them one day on the booth.

1476
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 5: There are a lot of guys now, there are certainly

1477
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 5: guys who are doing it right now. Michael Kis and

1478
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 5: Anthony Smith are the first two that come to mind.

1479
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 5: What I love about Anthony Smith is that he's critical

1480
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 5: and he don't give a rip who he offends, because

1481
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 5: at the core, not my job but the analysts and

1482
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 5: not telling you guys anything you don't know, but you

1483
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 5: need to be critical. And I think Michael Bisbaing and

1484
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 5: Anthony Smith are probably our most unabashed, fearless critical analysts,

1485
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 5: and I give them a lot of credit for that.

1486
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 5: Michael Kias is just a natural just fucking eats fight film,

1487
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 5: so certainly for him, I think as a guy who's

1488
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 5: called fights before deserves to get an opportunity. But the

1489
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 5: dark horse for me a guy with a little bit

1490
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 5: higher a profile who is making his debut in Miami,

1491
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 5: Dustin Pourier, because as he's gotten more comfortable in his

1492
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 5: own skin, he is just more liberated as a speaker

1493
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 5: and really doesn't care even if you look at the

1494
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 5: way he handled the postfight stuff with Michael Chandler kind

1495
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 5: of still going at him. So I do think Dustin,

1496
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 5: if he finds his voice, could really excel and be

1497
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 5: a critical voice for us. But there's so many talented people,

1498
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 5: you know. I even think Dean Thomas as a coach

1499
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 5: could migrate and just move forward.

1500
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: And be with us.

1501
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 5: I don't see any reason he couldn't have a hot

1502
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 5: mic the whole time. But I try to stay in

1503
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 5: my own land and not produced.

1504
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: Do you watch, whether accidentally or on purpose, other mme

1505
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: or other boxing broadcasts, any other combat sports broadcasts that

1506
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: you watch.

1507
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 5: I do, but minimally at this point in time. I

1508
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 5: watched the PFL to support my guy Kenny Florian, for sure,

1509
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 5: and I try to support the other play by play guys.

1510
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 5: You know, acknowledge An O'Connell recently when I thought he

1511
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 5: had a particularly good championship.

1512
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: At all, What a great revelation he turned out to

1513
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: be right, like unbelievable.

1514
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, so yes, I mean I do watch the PFL

1515
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 5: for my guy Kenny Florian, and I like this version

1516
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 5: of Ken flow right born nineteen seventy six, get a

1517
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 5: little hostile at this stage of his life.

1518
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: We like the more ornery Kenny Floory.

1519
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: He's got he's got a on the PFO broadcasts.

1520
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 5: Right, all of a sudden, you start staring down the

1521
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 5: barrel of fifty and it's you know.

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01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: Who the am I trying to right?

1523
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we're washed. We were in our mid forties.

1524
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: But you know, career wise, we're.

1525
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: We're just all right doing all right. You're lucky where

1526
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: you are.

1527
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 4: John Annackett has been an extreme pleasure, South Florida's finest.

1528
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 4: But you know the voice of the sport we cover,

1529
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 4: and I wish you many more fast food windows in

1530
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 4: a safe a mono the guy.

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01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like I'm gonna go.

1532
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: To my I do have one more Okay, So like there,

1533
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: if you look in the role of what you do,

1534
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: there's in MMA, there's no one above you. And right,

1535
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: like who's the most high profile MMA combat sport or

1536
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: MMA play by play guy? It's you. So then I

1537
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 2: ask just everyone thinks just getting to that role is

1538
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: the achievement, but of course living in is a different thing.

1539
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: So I guess I'll ask it this way, what do

1540
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: you want to do? Like, what do you still want

1541
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 2: to achieve? What are the things that you've not done?

1542
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: Is it just the perfecting the task the giro dreams

1543
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: of sushi bit or is there another level of something

1544
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: you haven't quite reached?

1545
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 5: I have internal goals, I think as far as the

1546
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 5: broadcast is concerned, right, I have an identical twin who

1547
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 5: looks and sounds like me and is my foremost critics.

1548
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 5: So he and I chew up my broadcast pretty good.

1549
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 5: Like we're not satisfied necessarily with these shows time in

1550
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 5: and time out. I still think my pay per view

1551
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 5: opens could be better. So there's a lot of skill

1552
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 5: development that goes on. And when I'm watching film and

1553
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 5: listening to the other UFC play by play guys and

1554
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 5: trying to sort of figure out me be things that

1555
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 5: they do well or don't do well that I can

1556
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 5: pick up on. You know, as far as my life

1557
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 5: is concerned, I think I do have an aspiration to

1558
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 5: teach a little bit.

1559
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1560
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 5: I taught at the Connecticut School of Broadcasting for a time,

1561
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 5: so I feel like that could be sort of where

1562
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 5: I could really give back to try to teach broadcast journalism.

1563
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 5: And I got a chance to guest teach a class

1564
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 5: at UNC Charlotte recently and really enjoyed that.

1565
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I don't know.

1566
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 5: I always feel like I'm being chased, and I always

1567
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 5: feel like I have to earn this seat, and I

1568
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 5: treat every fight night like a pay per view, and

1569
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 5: I'm doing a deep dive on Steve Garcia every single time,

1570
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 5: whether it's his fifth UFC Fighters fifteenth, And part of

1571
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 5: that is that my memory isn't great and I need

1572
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 5: to go back and do that deep dive.

1573
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I don't know.

1574
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 5: Man, Like I'm trying to I'm trying to beat the

1575
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 5: guys who are trying to come up and take my job,

1576
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 5: and I approach every show that way.

1577
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: I really do. Well.

1578
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 4: Shout out to your brother Jason Annik for the success

1579
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 4: he's had on the Remember the podcast, Remember the show,

1580
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 4: Remember the show? Excuse me, I misremembered the name of

1581
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 4: the show there with.

1582
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 2: Baloml It was the one job you had.

1583
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

1584
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 4: I did the same thing recently to Stephen Jackson. I

1585
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 4: was like, you you're you know, your your new show,

1586
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 4: fight Camp.

1587
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: It's great. He's like, yeah, the Fight Towns is even better,

1588
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: you know. And there we go. But you and is

1589
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: that a dream to you and your brother one day

1590
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:10,959
Speaker 1: doing something?

1591
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 5: So we host an NFL podcast called Annex Squared And yes,

1592
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 5: I mean the dream is to take that thing five

1593
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 5: days a week and do like a five day a

1594
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 5: week sports show.

1595
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: With my twin brother.

1596
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 5: So and then you know, I have internal goals like,

1597
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 5: you guys got a lot more hardware than than I do,

1598
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 5: right I. So you know, like maybe you know, win

1599
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 5: an award at some point in time would be cool.

1600
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: Hey, we've done that a few times and.

1601
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: A lot of times the vote, stop stop hardware I

1602
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: need except their tweet and stop the steal.

1603
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 4: You know, we have very aggressive fans, John, and that's

1604
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 4: a good thing until they eventually coming to your organs

1605
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 4: in a dark dub and an empty building somewhere in Chicago.

1606
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 5: But seeing you guys do that live show like was

1607
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 5: just so cool.

1608
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: You know, Well, the next time we do that, make

1609
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: sure if you're around your guest on that. Yeah, you'd

1610
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: love to because you are a fan favorite. John Anick.

1611
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: We appreciate that. I would double leg coldby if that was.

1612
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: A serious threat.

1613
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: It's just fun and games, okay, So back.

1614
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 2: Off, Hey man, thanks for making time for us and

1615
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 2: can't wait to hear the call on Saturday, as we

1616
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: do every Saturday. Thank you guys means a lot, John Anick.

1617
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: No more sleeps, it's over.

1618
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: Thank you.