WEBVTT - Uprooting the Tree 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:10.879 Welcome to Jay dot Il, a production of iHeartRadio. What's Up, 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.560 Good People, Welcome back to Jay dot Ill the Podcast. 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:19.400 I am smiling. I'm smiling on the end, Tige, I'm 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:24.160 smiling on my outside. I feel good. I feel good 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.560 and I'm happy to see my sister friends at Graydon 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.640 Dan's left. I'm so happy to see you to love. Hi, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:36.680 my shug, how are you? I'm really good. Life feels 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.520 good right now, the years starting out good. I don't 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:44.120 know about everything and everybody else, um, but I'm agree 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.320 with you on that for some reasons. One of them 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.960 is Lias Saint Claire, because she's here with me today too. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.040 Oh yeah, just looking at y'all looking at each other's eyes, 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.400 giving that good sister love. And I'm here. I'm like 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:02.720 a listener. I'm here for all that you mean. It's 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:07.240 so a part of it, I know. But look good. Yeah, 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.800 it's it's good to feel good, you know what I'm saying. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.920 And it's good to feel good about the things that 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:18.240 you're doing, like trying to really grasp a greater understanding, 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:23.200 a bigger picture of what it is that you're doing. Now. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.320 I've noticed now, and we all noticed We've seen a 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.720 lot of people marching, a lot of people making TikTok's 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.240 um and that's no disrespect to TikTok. That's how I 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:38.760 say TikTok um um on the front, you know the 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:47.160 TikTok they're they're making posts and um. I think initially 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.360 like social media was to make people more aware of, 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.200 you know, things that were happening. Um. A lot of 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.160 it's become a lot of like celebrity stuff, which is 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:01.600 which is fine too, But I'm also seeing people commenting 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.560 and showing the kind of interactions that they have with police. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.200 And as of late, I've noticed that it's it's white people, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.560 black people, Latina people. It's all kinds of people having 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.720 really harsh interactions with the police. White people you show 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.400 yes because according to Ben Craft, and they ain't in 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.400 the ones that's getting attacked out in these streets, but 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:29.320 they are attacked. Now we're going to say this, there's 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:38.639 a difference which police. But I'm just saying that there 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.639 everybody is getting the business. A lot of people are 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.959 getting the business when it comes to a traffic violation. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.240 Not everybody. It doesn't equal death for everybody, but damn it, right, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:55.920 it does for some the more that we see that 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.720 it's a problem across the board, the wars, and see 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.120 that the institution itself, even though it should be enough, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.120 it should be enough what they're doing, just you know, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.240 us killing us. You know you got a little bit. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.919 You shouldn't need it shouldn't need to be universal. Well, 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.720 unfortunately it does. People to make a stand. And you 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.480 know what's crazy. I keep saying their name, but because 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:19.960 they've been on TV a lot in the last couple 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.040 of weeks because of the loss of Tyree, the murder 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.480 of Tyree. But that's what all the activists are saying, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.440 is that exact thing they're like, because white people aren't 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.320 affecting and murdered the way they are, we're not having 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.080 any change. And that's the only way until they start 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:39.760 looking at us as being them, Uh, we won't have 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.240 any change. For me, I think it's probably more like, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.960 how how big are we willing to dream about this? 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.840 What are we willing to sacrifice in order for these 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.640 things to change? And how big are we willing to 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.120 dream about what we want to see it be other 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.920 than what it is right now? Like? And and what 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.680 I mean by that if I'm just need to be 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.480 more specific, is like, are we got to start thinking 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.480 beyond reform and we also have to start thinking about 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.360 what are the things that we're willing to lose in 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.160 the meantime and sacrifice in the meantime for a much larger, 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.120 more radical change, And asking for what depends on what 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.800 you're asking for, What I got to sacrifice to, It 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.000 depends on what. I mean. I'm really not sure. I mean, 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:24.679 I don't know. I mean, that's right, I'm not sure. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.880 There's a number of things. I mean, we're talking if 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.240 we're talking about police violence, right, It's been a very 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:36.360 intense conversation around the abolition of police, the abolition of prisons, 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.520 and this gets to be an interesting topic, particularly when 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.320 you start talking about activist groups where you got some 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.320 groups who are primarily made up of black people who 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.600 have lost family members to gun violence and the gun 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.680 violence that did not come from police. So you have 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.280 that argument of well, what do we do with someone 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.680 who shot my cousin, or what do we do with 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:05.679 somebody who raped somebody or or assaulted someone that I love, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.560 And then to have a conversation about our individual interactions 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.800 with these systems and the systems overall, if we really 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.400 talk about how people interact with these systems, they are 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.279 primarily negative, and they are primarily deadly for black people 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:24.640 and negative for all people really and anyone who's poor 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.440 when we're when we're talking about injustice, I did not 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:33.720 mean to slight in any way your knowledge systs at all. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.359 I'm saying that when we're talking about injustice, it is 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:42.760 a deep a tree with very deep roots and long 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:51.120 branches and many charms. My perception of injustice, or even 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:55.200 cutting down a tree, is that you trim things branch 0:05:55.320 --> 0:06:00.000 by branch or when you when you cut it directly 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:04.240 wrote that bitch, if you really want, you can do 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.280 that as well. You can absolutely do that as well. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.760 But when you can do it like that, you're going 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.040 to have a lot of mess. You're gonna have a 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:16.400 lot to clean up. Sacrifice when I'm talking about, you're 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.840 gonna have a lot to clean up. You'll be cleaning 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.320 up just as long as you're dealing, as long as 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.640 you've been chopping down the tree, if not longer, you're 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.719 gonna clean up way longer when you cut. When you 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:33.640 cut injustice, because think about my branch, I hear that's 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.359 the right way to go, jil. I hear you. I 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.960 hear you. I hear you to my core. But I'm 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:46.960 telling you, we've been talking reform since reconstruction. It's twenty twenty, 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:51.480 motherfucking three. Yeah, but you'll get up murdered in the streets. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.680 And that's true. And that's true. However, you do want 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.680 to get props to when there has been reformed and 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.520 there have been progress due to people's hard work, blood, 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.440 sweat and tears, because like, we ain't even getting here 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.159 to where we are, even though it seems it feels 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.479 like it's a fucked up time. I mean, there was 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.880 a time when ship was even more fucked up and 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.480 different with others, I think and those folks cut down 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.200 branches have a have a feeling that when we get 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.600 to this moment that we think that by talking about 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.880 the possibility of uprooting, I think we think that that 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.320 somehow means that there's I'm not trying to say there's 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.680 no respect for work that has been done in a sense. 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.040 We are in a sense. In a sense we are 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:38.600 because we're all talking about uprooting the tree right the 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.840 whole trie we're talking about it. And then obviously there's 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.800 different ways to uproot it. But to speak specifically about this, 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.360 I'm going to say that there's a guy name M. Khalil, 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.119 and Khalil puts poison at the bottom of the tree 0:07:54.400 --> 0:08:02.040 every Thursday, okay. And there's Um the gardener who comes 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:03.960 and grabs some of the leaves and he gets it 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.240 all so we can see how many are falling. Now 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:12.440 there's somebody else who lops off branches at a time. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:18.960 But we're saying that in any protest or in any 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:26.160 involvement of destroying or uprooting injustice, it takes a lot 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:31.800 of people moving in a similar direction. Layah was saying, 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.199 we were talking earlier about how Al Sharpton is at 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.439 these things. He's always at these things, and most of 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:44.720 us are like, what are you dumb job? And lat 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.200 hit hit us with it, hit us with it? Would 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.480 you would you say? Yeah? Well, I said, you know, 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.959 we had a we had Alice and gustrowing questions Apreme 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.200 one day and I asked, we talked to him about 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.480 the things that all of us blacks me thinking like 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.240 what do you really do? And he was saying, you know, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.480 the cameras, he said, people think that I chase the cameras, 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.920 but you know that if I didn't go, they wouldn't come. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.640 So a lot of times families call me because they 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.280 want attention made to what's going on, to what happened 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.760 to their loved ones. And then he acts kind of 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.400 like as a representative of us, right, he goes there, 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.360 he loves on them. I don't know if you watch 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.000 what he did at Tyrese's funeral, but he serves as us. 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.679 He loves on the family. He makes sure y'all know 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.160 that I'm here today and I will be here tomorrow. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.400 Like he continues to bring these things up. So he 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.040 has a purpose, but it may not be with y'all think, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.040 and I think that everybody doesn't understand activism in that way, 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.280 and that it's a formula and a plan in different pieces. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.360 Just like you said, this tree, it's a tree, just 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.800 like Ben Crump. Ben Crump is a part of this tree, right, 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.600 and Al Sharpton talked about the fact that Ben Crump 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.000 is a person who brought out into Trey Vaughn Martin 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.280 right as a young lawyer, and so this relationship grew, 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.720 and so now Ben Crump is a man who because 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.679 we can't get these officers process hute it like they 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.559 should be because we can't take money out of their pockets. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.320 Ben Cropp is going to get money for these families 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.679 that have lost their loved ones. That's what he's doing, 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.559 and you're gonna know what's going on, and that's what 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.360 they do. So I think that as a community and 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.520 a family, sometimes we just need to remind ourselves of 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.520 like we all serve different purposes and the struggle that 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.599 we're going because we put a lot of weight on 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.319 a person. Yeah, we put a lot of weight on 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:32.240 a single person. While you're just posting who literally has 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:37.360 a single job to do, just one. You know how 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:41.560 much easier it is to clean your to clean your 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:46.040 room when all your friends help. Everybody's got a job 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.760 to do, instead of been taking you two hours to 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.440 clean up because you guys had you know, you've had 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.560 pillow fights and you've been eating popcorn and whatever else 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.040 and got soda cans or whatever around. When everybody participates 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.240 and helps clean up, the room gets cleaned and we're 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.240 moving on to the next space to do a new thing. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.240 I think that the problem that we're having is that 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.640 we're putting a lot of pressure on a single being 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.959 a single person when it really and truly takes all 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.800 of us, y'all. Some scientists right now is teaching those 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:25.520 termites or glaze in this tree and a certain chemical 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.680 that makes the termites go crazy. It's it's a bunch 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.800 of people that's just working and you may not know 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:37.559 all of them. But when there are leaders, hopefully what 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:43.760 a leader does is delegate authority. Yeah, so you give 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:49.120 people jobs to where where their greatest strength is and 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:53.000 stay off to social media talking about it. You gotta 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.400 stay off. Things that are done are typically done in 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:06.040 the dark. Not everybody our ship and how we're moving. Okay, okay, 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:23.800 I okay, more real talk after the break. But I 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.559 think there's a misunderstanding. I think in general, the way 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.360 that organizing spaces work. I think the kind of general 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:36.880 public feels, you know, enthralled by the stories of the 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.760 charismatic leader and the person who's giving the speeches and 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.040 delegating the responsibility and things of that nature. I think 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.880 we do forget somehow what the real kind of you know, 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.400 work of organizing is always collective, because that's kind of 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.000 how we as Africans just operate, and we operated that 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.719 way even when on the outside in the media, it 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.400 looked like there was this kind of singular leader. I 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.199 feel like we have always kind of functioned in this 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:11.520 multi tiered, multi ways of attacking an issue way that 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.960 whether it's in a radical space or quote unquote assimilation 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.640 in space, whatever, if you're organizing, you're organizing. And I 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.360 think organizing looks different behind the scenes than it does 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.559 to the general public. And I remember watching the movie Selma, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.280 and one of the one of the the scenes that 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.280 I really appreciated was the depiction of those kind of 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:40.760 like war room moments during the civil rights leaders where 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.400 you can see that there is a group strategy going 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.599 on here and we're gonna do this. We're gonna go 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:47.720 here and do vote a registration, and we're gonna go here, 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.319 and we're going to march, and we're gonna sit in 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.400 on this day, and then on this day we're doing this, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.319 and these things are happening simultaneously, and this person is 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.720 going down south to do some research, and this person 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.160 is doing blah blah blah blah, and that this this 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.840 doesn't undermine the brilliant minds that are that are involved 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:08.360 in this kind of group project, and many of you know. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.599 I remember, you know, when when Oprah first became like 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.480 a billionaire, you know, and it's just like, well, somebody 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:22.240 need to call Oprah. Remember, you know, somebody needs you 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.400 need to call y'all need to call Oprah airplane. Yes, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.800 down here, you know. And not saying that. I not 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.040 saying that those kind of thing didn't happen, because, um, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.240 you know, there were definitely some people known for that 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.600 type of work. You know, Um was my man, I'm 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.000 having a brain for it. He's um so fine, honey 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:51.040 an actor day Oh oh, Harry Bella cont Harry, you 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:55.720 gotta call a ninety year old? Fine? Yes he is, baby, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.000 But if you go back to the old footage, it'll 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:07.960 do something. Yes, we said, but you know, I'm horace. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.320 I couldn't do this. But what But again, yes, there 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.360 were people who called in the private planes. You know 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.400 what I'm saying. There are people at the money. But 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:20.680 that is also yet another tier. Yes, that's also another tier, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:27.480 funding quiet, funding of radical movements. These are all the things. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.800 So I don't know. I mean, I agree with Jill 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.760 and that we can't always tell what's happening, but I 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.600 also think we aren't. There is quite a bit of 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.480 organizing happening as we speak, and is not being talked 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.200 about on Front Street. That is being done in a 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:49.200 very grassroots way. And you know, the thing that touches 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.440 my heart and talked about it a little earlier, is 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.720 that with all of this effort and constant and consistent effort, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.240 we are dealing with a really monster of us, them 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.000 and we and and there's the age old kind of 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.280 conversation as to you know, what is the end result? 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.840 Is the end result? Because for some people, Jill, they 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.960 don't actually want to uproot the tree. They want to 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.440 paint the leaves. You know what I'm saying. They don't 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.000 really want to up with the tradition one. They just 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:20.720 want to have an area where they can get the shade. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:27.960 They just want that area where they can't get the shade, y'all. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:37.920 I'm just listening to Well, luckily, well not luckily, not 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.440 luckily at all. Oh, there's a lot of trees in 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:48.040 the garden. So it seems to me that you have 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.680 to find the tree that gets on your nerves the most, 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.120 find the one that gets on you maybe, you know, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:17:00.400 it's like trying to how do you eat an elephant? Right? 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:05.280 It's it's it's like because this tree has the you know, 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.800 makes the biggest mess and has the funk. You know 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.320 those little stinky things. You remember, those stinky things you 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:18.560 stepped on in Philly they fell off the tree. Oh, 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.119 just because that you know, that tree might get on 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.879 your nerves a lot. This one over here that is 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:35.880 um keeping, keeping North Philly kids mentally enslaved. This thing 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:40.240 over here that doesn't supply the kind of books or 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.760 environment that is needed. This thing over here, maybe that 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.960 tree is the one that gets on your nerves the most. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.560 Or the fact that you know somebody's trying to mess 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:57.680 with with your with your ovarians, you know, on your nerves. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.720 I'm saying as a society, somebody else that that gets 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.560 on their nerves too, as a society, as a people, 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.080 we gotta find a thing that gets on our nerves 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:13.040 and be a portion in the destruction and the uprooting 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.920 of that tree. It's just so many things. There's a lot, 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.520 but if we don't focus on one thing at a time, 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.320 I mean, it gets crazy. You do have to find 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.840 your ministry. Amen, come on my home. Cross texts me 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.520 this morning, and she's just like I think people are 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.800 not realizing how fast this election is going to get here. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.680 And I said, yeah, and and here do it. I'm 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:42.600 starting to get and um, you know, when I think 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.040 about this kind of massive elephant that we're talking about today, 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.720 which is really just kind of like that overarching white 0:18:49.760 --> 0:19:00.479 supremacist capital capitalism, you know, crazy like the way another one, 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.399 it's like, um, you know, when we think about this, 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.920 this whole thing, I kind of you know, get back 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.399 to the whole idea like small group communications. My sister 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:16.600 um started out in college doing HR and marketing and 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.639 then she moved to like small HR and small group communications, 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.920 and as like what is that? You know, when I 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.720 started to understand that kind of mastering the needs of 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:32.680 people where they are is really an important conversation. And 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.320 so it gets into that kind of local government thing. 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.240 How are how keyed are you into the needs of 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.720 your neighbors the p and what kind of aid and 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.880 what kind of voice are you giving to the spaces 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:51.680 that you actually take up? And that not that there 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.600 aren't huge overarching issues that we have to address, but 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.760 I'm not sure if all of us are are deeply 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.879 invested in the small group are we really invested in 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.080 the ten blocks that we live on now like we 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.399 should be most of us are. I know, I'm not. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.840 Let me just I am not. I want to be. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.800 I've been. I've been thinking out loud. I'm not. And 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.800 if you are not able to answer the simple question 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.440 of what is the most important thing to the people 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.080 who live to your left and right, the people you're 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:31.439 actually sharing space with, If you can't answer that question, 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.359 or if that question is not relevant to you, I 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.240 about to say, that's just because when you don't care 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.320 because they don't look like you and they're not you know, 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.320 if that question is not relevant to you, then it 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.840 begins a conversation about how you're going to engage, Like 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:49.120 I really you know what I'm saying, because the big 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.480 thing is a lot to it's a lot to swallow. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.359 I was in a spa a week ago and I 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.480 ended up in the spa with this this this white 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:03.040 lady and she's asking me questions and I was like, well, 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:04.919 what do you do? Because she's all in my business 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.800 make up less, but I'm like, well what do you do? She's, Oh, 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:15.080 I'm an environmental scientist. Who's that? She said? Yeah, she said, 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.200 you know the problem is not she said, the problem 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:22.000 is actually not climate change. She said. Climate change is real, 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.639 she said, but what average person to get wrapped their 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.000 mind around that. You know, they're gonna vote for the 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.200 candidate who says they're against it, she said, But you know, 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.520 a lot of that that's going on is so much 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:37.120 bigger than the experience of the everyday people. Y'all should 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.520 go on to these meetings and figuring out why they're 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:41.920 building buildings and it's that going to affect your groundwater? 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.600 She was like, that's the environmental stuff that that y'all 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.560 need to be concerned about. Is what is happening in 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.880 the ten to twenty blocks around your home, the twenty 0:21:54.920 --> 0:22:00.840 blocks around your kids school especially. Yeah, she was, most 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.240 people have no idea what the developmental plan is for 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:09.320 their community, that that's being decided five years before you 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:14.600 see a single construction vehicle. Yeah, I got Living in 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.320 California has made me way more locally aware. It's kind 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.720 of an interesting advantage because you vote for everything. But 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:23.879 you are I totally agree with you, Adrian. You are 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.199 so right. My girlfriend was just complaining the other day 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.439 that the city was coming they were gonna tear up 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:35.040 the pipes in the block to refurbish them. And she's like, 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.560 that means that we're not gonna have water for you know, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.320 like maybe two or three days. And we got to 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.600 stop this and you know, making phone calls and stuff. 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.639 And I was like, so you you don't want healthy 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:51.800 water in your house? Do you want the old pipes 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:56.680 that have been around since who knows who um filtering 0:22:56.880 --> 0:23:01.560 your water system? You want that? It's it's like, oh, 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:06.040 just taking a taking the picture and making it to 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:11.600 puzzle pieces, and then everybody grabbing a puzzle piece, finding 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:16.159 your partner and coming together to make the bigger picture. 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:21.320 We're talking about how to organize in such a way 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:28.720 that your your energy towards injustice is effective productive, you know, 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.520 just for the average person. We only know how to 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:41.000 either romanticize or demonize the activists. Oh, we want the 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.360 activists to shut up because we don't want them over 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.239 correcting us. But we want them to show up when 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.080 shit goes bad. Are we're gonna blame them for why 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:53.919 things never change right where he at, why he income 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:59.160 or he just says they too sensitive. You know, at 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.440 the end of the day, the activist, the person who 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:06.119 is active, must be you. It is it is us 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.320 as you and me. At the end of the day, 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:13.240 nobody's coming. There's no calvary. You know what I'm saying, 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.960 there's no calvary. If you or I have not invested 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:21.800 in it, then what so I my same girlfriend who 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.440 texted me, she was like, what are you thinking about 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:28.840 in terms of like your top three things that you 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.960 types of like legislation that are on your mind, Like 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.680 what's your top three things that you really need to 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:40.360 see changed? Okay? And I had six? Did she say 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.320 after you give them? Did she say something else? Did 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.760 she say give you like, well, she didn't. She didn't. 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.280 But I think it was an important exercise to think 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.560 about it, because you're just saying there's a lot of 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.240 trees in that in that garden, But do we all 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:56.919 really think about like what is the most important thing 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.520 to me? M Like, what is the thing that's like 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.240 sitting on my spirit? But if you think about it 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.160 in a legislative way, that that list will get longer 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:07.760 and longer. Like you said, she asked you for three, 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.200 you gave her six. I think that would happen because 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:12.280 you'll be like, well, I want to get paid equal, 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.040 I want to get paid fairly. Uh. I want to 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.320 be able to be happy, to have rights over my body, 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:20.440 for the police officers not to be able to kill 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.760 black people, huh anybody. I want for people to be 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:28.760 able to get the education, a full education. I'm already 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.879 in four like you just you know. But but but again, 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.000 the discipline of saying what is most important to me, 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.399 and then kind of moving in the ideas of like 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.280 or what does it look like for me, What does 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.240 it look like for me to show up in the 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:48.720 space around me to help that to happen? What does 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.240 that look like for me to in the community where 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:57.240 I live, in my own home? Even first, what's my 0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:01.480 own body? Because so much of the care and the 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:06.000 anti racist work that we gotta do is in our 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:11.600 own bodies, you know, taking care of ourselves. You know, 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.840 I'm saying those are That's that's the where it starts. 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:18.280 But then the extension of that goes into your neighborhood 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.280 and then into your city, into your state, and the 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:23.479 into your country. The decompression of it all. That's why 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.680 I posted that Al Sharpton on that treadmill at five 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:30.399 am in the morning, because that is because that is 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.280 where the work begins. Because in Al Sharpton who dies 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.040 before his time because of heart disease, which is the 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:41.119 number one killer okay of black people. Yes, yes, you 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.800 know that. What is that? Then? Then how does that 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.960 help us to lose a soldier? Yes, but however you 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.680 feel about them? Yea, you know what I'm saying. So 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.200 the body, the body is first, and then and then 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.560 it goes outward. And again, this is a working and 0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:02.800 moving conversation. I'm not an organize, Okay, I'm just abroad. 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:06.600 You need an organizer, somebody who has a big picture, 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.040 who can who can really and and be all. They're 0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:16.040 easy to find, are they. So there's always somebody organizing 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.160 in your community always, And we got the Google now, 0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:24.960 so there is always somebody organizing. So that's a step. 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:32.440 That's a step running an organizer locally. Okay. Yeah, we're 0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:45.080 gonna take a quick break and then we'll be right back. Okay, 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:49.119 I want to hear my list. My list number one 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:55.680 free healthcare to free college. Three fully funded public schooling, 0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:02.720 for abolition of prisons, police with the investment in community healing, 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:08.840 housing and employment. Five comprehensive recovery plan for the pandemic, 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:14.240 and six reparations that's why I live in California because 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.200 that last one on your list. You know, it's funny. 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:17.440 I was talking to a group of DC people the 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:19.600 other day and it was like, I mean, y'all ain't 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.320 gonna get nothing about that reparations. I said, you know 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.520 what the point is that my governor started the process, right, 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.880 and you live in a black city with the bush 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.960 mayor with okay, and you still being taxed and you're 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.560 not even without being a state who So I'm gonna 0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:40.520 need you to leave my governor newsom we over here 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:44.440 with the Crown Act. Okay, all right, Okay, I love DC. 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.000 That's my that's oh yeah, no, no, no, no, all 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:48.800 day every day, I don't think every day. You can 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.480 check your boob, you can check your book. Yeah yeah. 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.120 So you find the tree that irks you sold the 0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:57.400 most in the garden of injustice, and then you find 0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:02.320 an organizer, okay, or or you become one you or 0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:06.040 you become one. Hey. Now, so you have a specific reason, 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.959 um that you don't like this thing whatever that uh 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:16.560 injustices um, and you the organizer and yourself, I'm just 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.959 I'm just throwing shit out here, y'all. Listen, it's organizations, 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:23.280 it's people doing work. Always if you want to do work, 0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:27.800 I firmly believe it's only about you deciding to do work. Yeah, 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.000 but it's so much easier to just go to my 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.360 Instagram and just like repos ahead that I can really 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:36.960 just says, I don't know, y'all. Sometimes I feel like 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:39.200 we're hard on each other about that. I know I'm 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:44.960 us like, oh, y'all just posting and I don't know. 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.760 I don't know, y'all. I feel like social media my 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.000 retort is actually to the people who comes out. It 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:54.960 has helped. It definitely does. It's a part of it's 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.760 another part of that process. I was making a bad 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.040 joke for the people who actually attack people that in 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.200 these streets doing these things, you know what I'm saying, 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.120 Like the ones who ain't in the streets doing these things, 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:10.520 and you just posing. That's what I do because I 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.080 know I'm not in the streets like I should be. 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.880 Can you ride out? You know what I'm saying, I'm 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.880 seeing that every little thing. Um, I'm won't say every 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.320 little thing, but all the little things add up. If 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:25.280 you're trying to, you know, uproot a tree, So you 0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.160 need someone that's going to organize all the things right. 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.640 And then you have to find specific people who want 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.960 the same thing. They want this tree up rooted, find 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:38.120 specific people to do specific things for the bigger picture. 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.959 So I would say the organizer would have the biggest picture, 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:46.480 I guess, or the organizers I think they always do. 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:50.440 But I think I think they always do. Here's here's 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.640 the thing I want to keep in mind again, and 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.720 this is not to confuse further confuse a very you know, 0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.320 complex situation any further, but I do want us to 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.280 keep this part in mind. All Black people are not 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:06.720 the same. All black people don't think the same, and 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:11.000 this will show itself up in organizing spaces if you 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.640 really talk to organizers, which we should have somebody on 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:18.120 here who really does this work. But in organizing spaces, 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.920 I've heard different people vent about even in spaces that 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:26.000 are dedicated to liberation have to be checked, vetted and 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:29.480 rework sometimes, you know what I'm saying. So even in 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.200 those spaces, to romanticize the organizing spaces is important not 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.000 to do that because even in those spaces it will 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.280 not be perfect because we're all dealing with the constant 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.000 onslide of what these systems do to us, and so 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.560 there will be people who look at it like this 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.360 is what we should do, and then you go on 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.160 this other side. A good friend of mine and he's 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:54.680 been on the show, Josh Meyers posted the other day 0:31:54.760 --> 0:32:00.600 a letter from Carter G. Woodson, who turn down an 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:06.800 opportunity to work with w eb D Boys and yes 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:08.960 because some of his work at the time was being 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.680 heavily funded by white people. Oh yeah, I remember it 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.840 was like the original b So this is important. This 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:22.600 is so important for us that our ancestors didn't always agree. 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:29.040 Malcolm and Martin Hello, you know, I mean, but it's 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.760 it exists and it's dalid. You know, they didn't always 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:38.880 agree be but you know, the attempts, the ongoing strategy, 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:43.760 the willingness to grow and evolve. Our leaders evolved in 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.600 their lives. A twenty five year old w eb D 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.800 Boys is not an eighty year old e w Ebdu Boys. 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.120 You can't quote a twenty year old or twenty five 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.640 year old D Boys and think that you'd have said 0:32:56.760 --> 0:33:00.560 something without then knowing and understanding his thinking in his 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:04.840 politics fifty years later, which is quite different. Same for Malcolm, 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:09.280 same for Martin just shorter lives sounds like a counsel 0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:17.080 of ethics, and that council of ethics would have to 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:26.640 be multi generational. Hum to not overmind the situation, but 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.480 keep in mind, because you're not easy, we can get 0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:34.960 off track. Yeah, it's keep in mind the keep in 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:39.640 mind the focus of this thing. It's like something else 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:42.280 is gonna come up. We're like, you know, people have 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:53.000 hdh D. Sorry sorry sorry, probably I probably I gotta 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:57.080 be because you know squirrel. Um, So like oh look, 0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.160 oh there's bird flag? Would you say? You know, I'm 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:04.200 I'm very much an artist in that way too. So like, okay, 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:08.320 so you need an organizer or organizers, you need someone 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:13.560 a council of ethics that could be three people or 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.799 or you know, I think three is a good number, um, 0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:22.520 because it's it keeps it pretty simple, keeps it simple. Um. 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.880 I think that that all three would have to agree, 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:29.040 you know what I mean, Like if we trust them, 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.560 then all three would have to agree of our whole 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.040 break race or is this it locally? Each I'm safety 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:40.040 each tree, each tree, each issue, each issue, each thing, 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.280 And that's that's the thing that gets on your soul. 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.800 If I guess you so much that you want to 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:49.160 put your energy into destroying that thing and destroying that 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:53.400 particular that tree right there. Okay, so you need some 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.919 organizers and you need a council of ethics. I feel 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:58.759 like I honestly, I ain't gonna lie to you. I 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.360 just think the world is I think organizers are like 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.000 apples on the tree. There's so many people out here 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:08.120 doing work. Yeah, they're easy to find, Yeah, they're easy 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:15.480 to your point about I'm not saying I'm just saying that, yeah, yeah, 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.600 I know. I'm not saying that that they don't exist. 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.640 I'm saying that if you're listening or within listening ears 0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.000 and it's something that's really troubling your soul about a 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:28.360 particular thing, you go and find and be of service, 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.800 do the thing you might be. You might be the 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.640 you know, the ant that's that's dropping in you know, poison. 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.040 I'm just you know, I'm just saying, you know, it 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:43.759 takes it takes an army of ants, you know, to 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:47.480 to create a colony. You know now that if you 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.640 get rid of one, it doesn't mean that the train 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.360 of ants is gonna stop moving. You know. It's like 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.240 we've play so much, so much weight on a leader, 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.680 and the weight is like, you can't have any flaw, 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.800 laws or faults, you can't be a human. You have 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:09.000 to you got you remember and you know you're not. 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.279 You don't have space. So the whole leader thing is 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:14.520 is is not going to work. It is to me, 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.480 I really feel like it's more of a council, a 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.919 tribunal of you know, a group of people that don't 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.800 like this particular injustice and some say we have that. 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.320 We are just trying to tell anybody within listening ears 0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:32.960 who is not found a thing, you know, a found 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.680 a thing to be a part of it really is community, 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:39.520 then find the thing. Come on if you're right. I 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.560 mean also to like um, what I think like you 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:47.000 might be referring to is you remember um. At the 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:51.640 height of BLM Black Lives Matter movement, there was a 0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:55.719 lot of critique around it for not having a centralized 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.160 leadership and the fact that really what it was at 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.880 the end of the jay was a rallying cry and 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:06.360 then was forced into becoming an organization. And one of 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:10.319 the things that it was in terms of it's it's 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:14.080 kind of rushed into that space was saying we're not 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.520 having centralized leadership. This is about people kind of taking 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.080 this overall rally and cry in these points and making 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.560 it happen locally in their own spaces. And but now 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:27.879 to do right now we do? It's at least three 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.000 people who claim to be like along with Patrice Colors, 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:35.239 there were the founders, right, but I think they were 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:39.440 the founders. But you know, there's, like I said, they 0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.680 came under fire for not having this kind of you know, 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:46.040 centralized leadership. So we do have to work on ourselves. 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.440 I think one of the things that I found that 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:53.839 the process that I go through sometimes is making sure 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:57.719 that I'm not in my own way. You know. Sometimes 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:02.360 there's always this feeling like I might be dragging some 0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.160 sort of kind of outdated thinking or some thinking that's 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.800 blocking me from being a real service to people in 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:10.960 the spaces that I want to take up because of 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:14.600 my way of thinking. If I'm a person who feels 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.440 really you know, invested in that kind of leadership, and 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:21.960 it's not there, and it is deeply communal because even 0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.920 we can look at like, you know, I guess our 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.520 kind of our indigenous brothers and sisters, and how the 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:32.080 different kind of Native nations worked. Some of them were 0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:37.480 were power was spread out amongst people differently. Sometimes leadership 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.040 had to come through the woman's lineage. So there's lots 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.560 of ways to Skinner can't feel. But you know, I 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.760 just like try to keep mind I'm not dragging anything 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.040 into the space that's going to keep us from moving forward, 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:49.960 just because I'm just really focused on it happen to 0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.640 be a certain kind of way, you know, Like for example, 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.520 I'm sure there's some spaces that people feel like leadership 0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:01.080 has to be male or you know what I'm saying. 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.359 You know, our religious spaces used to be really centralized 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:08.799 for where we would be working on these issues. Yeah, 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.120 and in some churches and still to this day, women 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.520 are not allowed to be in leadership. So you find 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.320 an organization or something that you believe in, but the 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:20.920 leadership is not there. You have you, I guess you 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:25.160 have a choice. You can continue to follow it and 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.400 see where it's going. And if if you don't like 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:32.680 where it's going, either talk to the people around you, 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:36.200 I suppose, or find something else to do. It's always something, 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.960 it's always something has something else to do, It's always 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.120 something else. I'm like I was sitting here looking. I'm like, 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.120 let me see what the National ash and network got 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.440 going on on their little things some resources, Like I'm 0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.880 not checking it because I'm not checking it. I'm not 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.800 checking it daily. No, I'm not checking it daily. I 0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:53.360 literally this is the first time I've ever been here. 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:56.920 I was like, to your city council meetings, Do y'all 0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:01.640 go to those? I say, some meetings that become national news. 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.960 I feel like I definitely need to, But now I 0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:09.799 haven't gone yet. Yeah, I'm saying I will get into 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:14.440 a book and to two point two seconds, but I 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:19.040 don't I should go. I'm just trying to get it. 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:27.400 We're all we've all got issues and pass and stuff. 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.960 We all have stuff, and I feel like sometimes the 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:35.560 stuff gets put in front of the forward movement. And 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:39.839 I know, like we were talking a lot of people 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:43.719 we were talked earlier about assholes now and how at 0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.160 some point you got to realize that you're an asshole. Yeah, 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.800 and you had that point have a choice to continue 0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:55.920 being an asshole or you could go to therapy figure 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.920 out why you are like this because it doesn't serve 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:02.879 anything or doesn't serve anyone. For it's greater good. Yeah, 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.760 that's that's what I'm talking about. Like when you're following 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.799 a particular path because you think that that it's going 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:10.600 to lead you somewhere. But you've been doing this thing, 0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:13.840 the same thing for twenty years and nothing is happening, 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:19.120 nothing is happening. Then you have an obligation, I would think, 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:22.640 to yourself to make a different choice, to go a 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:26.000 different path. And we easily like this is just from 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.879 my perspective, and I've seen it in myself. I will 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.080 leave the thing and go to the thing that's just 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:36.560 like the last thing. It's been a big deal that 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.239 I left the thing, but I left the thing for 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.400 the for the almost damn near the last thing in 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:44.320 the same skin. Yeah, you know. But that's why the 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.440 self awareness piece is important. Like we talked about it 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.040 at the top of this conversation, like what are you 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:55.000 doing to um, like decolonize the self first? You know, 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.920 like what are you? What are you doing? You know 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.279 that that's really important word and sometimes can end up 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:04.759 being your singular work. Okay, So let's just sometimes that 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.680 can be your work. That's hard work for us, and 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.520 for us it's important because we have a platform. So 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.120 the moment that we work on decolonizing ourselves and we 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.960 start talking and using that platform and we're putting that 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:22.759 kind of messaging out that makes the work, the self 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.200 work that we do that more impactful. Man. Okay, So 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:29.040 just imagine you've got a group of people who are 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:31.759 thinking along the same lines, trying to get rid of 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:35.600 this particular tree, right, a particular one, and then they 0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:40.400 have people come in for just I'm just saying, like 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:42.480 a meeting or something. I don't know what to call 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.959 the thing, but they have someone come in to talk 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:52.680 about decolonizing your mentality, like continuously fueling. So because anybody 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.200 and everybody can get lost, it's so easy to do 0:42:57.320 --> 0:43:00.800 very and essentially they already are lost. So there's a 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:05.680 level of education that has to be provided and options 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:10.399 provide it because we're all just people, right of course. Yep, 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.520 I'm listening. I don't know if anybody's taking notes. I'm sorry, 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.759 I'm feeling this shit. Okay, So you need an organizer 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.319 of ethics, you know, a different generation of people. I'm 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.560 just there's many ways to do this thing. I just 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:32.120 I just want and um encourage you. I love that 0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:36.960 your mind is circle back to solution based thinking you know. 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:40.400 And and again, if you're organizing, you're listening to this 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:44.200 and you're thinking like, bless bless their hearts. I love it. 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.680 I love that because everybody has to start in a 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.360 space of newness, in that place where it is like 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:52.920 if you're moving into a different way of thinking in 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:57.040 your mind, you know, and you have access to other people, 0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:01.560 it is your journey is as important as somebody who 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:03.719 may be a little bit further down down the road. 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.440 You know what I'm saying, because who you are in 0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:10.560 the circle of people that you're in is that's that's 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.320 a group of important people will come out of that 0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:18.919 group can be life changing, transformative. Even so, you can't 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.640 don't underestimate where you are in this process, you know 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:24.360 what I'm saying. If this is something that you're not 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:26.640 if this is something that we're talking about right now, 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.480 and it's just like, oh, I'm so above this, I'm 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.680 beyond this. I've already I've been doing this twenty five 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:37.080 thirty years. Fool. If you've never thought about it before. Cool. 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.160 Everybody is kind of like in a different space in 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.520 that journey and that's okay, And that the moment that 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.000 you start thinking about it. The moment you start really 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:50.399 working out in your head, you are already changing the room. 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:54.000 You're already changing the space, You're already impacting the people 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.520 around you. I just, I really am a firm believer 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.600 in that because I'm just you know, I find a 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.200 lot of liberation and being the dummy in the room. 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:05.920 I don't like being the person in the room that 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.880 knows the most. I want to be the person in 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.480 the moom that knows the least because I want to 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.640 learn something. When I leave, I want to be enlightened. 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:18.160 You know what I'm saying, And I mean ultimately, that's 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.440 why I enjoy talking to you guys, because when I 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:24.640 walk away from it, I'm like, yeah, we do that 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:28.480 for you girls. Shut up. I'm like you just say 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.600 I thought she was the one doing it, Okay, No, 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.160 and you know better and you do it for me, 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:41.719 like yeah, and you know, I know, I know. More 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:59.600 conversation after the break, everybody is really gifted and thoughtful 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.880 about what's happening, you know, around us, and we are 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:08.719 formula as well, ladies. So we are formula as well 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.920 when we talk about you know, activism and how everybody 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.160 serves a different I feel like, that's us too. We 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.120 are are voltron, right, It's like voltron basically that's what 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:20.359 that's what it takes. It takes ron, it takes kind 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:24.560 of so so anybody exactly listening this is this is 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.520 just to get you excited. If you've already been active, 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.440 and you've already been working on changing the system, and 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.160 you know, maybe you feel tired, maybe you do need 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.120 to take a break, Maybe you need to need a 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:42.319 moment ago and and get in some hot springs and okay, 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.279 huh and the nature the rest of us need to 0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:51.880 tap in the yeah, because people are exhausted, Jill, They 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.680 really are. I saw an interview with Angela Davis and 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:58.240 she talked about they ain't know nothing about no self 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:03.000 care as active and during their time has a very 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.800 new concept. But I'm gonna tell you something something I 0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:09.800 have really learned by watching just on the outside looking in, 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:14.680 watching some of the work around like mutual Aid within 0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:20.239 the LGBTQ community. It is inspiring because it's a keepist, simple, 0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:22.239 stupid thing. You know what I mean. You know what 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:26.120 I'm saying, who is in need, who has something to 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.040 give to who is in need? But more than anything 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:31.880 is what are the needs of those who are around you? 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:35.560 What are your needs? And what are the needs of 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:39.759 those around you who have less? Who have less? Uh, 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:43.600 you know, accessibility to things or whatever the case may be. 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:48.720 I follow a guy Instagram and literally his entire account 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:54.719 is mutual aid requests. I think that's powerful is that 0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:59.000 his name is Freedom John. Now, what is mutual aid 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:03.280 alone aid? And it's basically it's it's it's some regular 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:08.680 church community shit. So and so gotta move and they 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:10.840 got three kids and they gotta move. They about to 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:12.719 get kicked out their apartment. They need money to move. 0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:17.160 All right, cool? Who got what? We're gonna drop off 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:21.279 an envelope? You remember the envelope like the Red Parties, Like, yes, 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.920 mutual aide. It is this black woman's opinion that that 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:33.239 is a time it is is though that So it's 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.600 like go fund me like a new mutual aid. People 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:38.560 use it as so fund me is mutual aide. It's 0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:42.320 been demonized because of different things that have happened, you know, 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:44.960 and people feel like, ex what, people are lazy or 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:46.600 they're not doing what they're supposed to do when they 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:48.439 just depend on go fund me. And I'm not saying 0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:51.600 it ain't no people out there that's you know, less 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:55.880 than kosher about what they're trying to do. However, the 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:59.440 idea of community giving and community support is not new. 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:04.040 It's super super you know, you know, you've been doing 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:08.040 it for a long time, and you know again it 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:12.200 helps us to make it bite sized. What we like 0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:15.640 at Jadi L Yes we do. We like a bite 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:19.720 size okay, and it's bite size. It's a bite size 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:25.680 you know, response and an immediate and direct response to need. 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:30.000 And it's not the only thing you do again, multi 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.719 tiered shit is the way we have always operated. This 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:36.600 is our actual history. I'm not, you know, reinventing any 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.440 wheels here. This is something our ancestors have done never. 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:41.239 We always didn't have the names for these things. It's 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.000 so funny now today we have the verbiage for it, 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:48.080 like we have the name. It's a thing, you know, trauma. 0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:52.799 It's not funny, is there funny at all? Because that's 0:49:52.840 --> 0:50:00.200 what happens when somebody steals your language income jail. I'm 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:05.040 just saying, I chance for my lemon water. That's what happens. 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:08.960 Sound like the spirit of Stephanie Mills, just jail. Imagine 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:12.680 imagine that I could I could call across a room, 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:16.840 you know, or or across a yard or across a field, 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:23.640 and and um say a word that not only takes 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:27.080 you to a place mentally, that takes you to a 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:32.120 feeling that gives you a strength and remind you who 0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:36.239 you are. Yeah, you're not allowed to say anything. Don't 0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:39.799 speak your language, kill you. No, that's why we now. 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:54.000 All we have left is our our mmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm mmmmmmmmmmmm 0:50:54.840 --> 0:51:00.120 mmmm that's what we gotta left, and we're bad. We 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:02.680 could look at that, all of that, all of that, Yeah, 0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:05.680 and we and see strangers when women who are strangers 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:07.320 to you doing it, and you know what's going on, 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:11.400 so maybe we just Yeah, that was a moment. I 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:14.440 just realized we still have that powerful. It made me 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:22.880 happy to feel that. It's a little joy. That's us. 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:29.640 That's what we do. You're talking about people who truly 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:39.440 take absolutely nothing and just create. That's that's We're very 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:46.600 powerful people. And when we focus, we may not get 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:48.800 everything that we want to get done on our lists. 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:51.520 You know, we might not be able to check everything. 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:57.040 But go on and check something. It'll feel good. And 0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:01.120 maybe maybe he might want to check something else, and 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:05.400 then something else. I'm going to a meet me. You 0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:10.400 are powerful and when you and when you decide, you 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:15.560 make a decision. Man o man. I would just want 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:19.600 to say thank you to everybody who is um making 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:27.120 strides and using whatever acts, whatever saw, whatever's knife, whatever sin, 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:32.640 whatever pencil, toe, nail clip, whatever it is that you're 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:35.880 doing to cut down the tree. Thank you, thank you, 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:40.600 thank you so much. And for anybody who hasn't decided 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:44.040 on what tree they want to tear down, just know 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:48.160 that when you do go for it, go hard in 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:51.200 the paint. And sometimes that means those things that you 0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:54.440 do hard in the paint won't be noticed, not yet, 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:57.640 not yet. But when you do good, you get good. 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:04.319 That's my firm opinion. Like a paver, Papa takes part. 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:08.000 Maybe when it's like you know Martins said it, I 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:11.560 may not get there with you, m but the thing 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:18.919 is that I'm responsible for this section of road. I'm 0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:23.840 putting down these ten pavers. This is my part and 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:29.319 my section, and I want to do my work. Yeah, 0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:34.319 you know, when you're like if I could just get one, 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:40.719 I can just get one, you know, I just be 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:43.960 feeling in a pothole, boo. But that's cool too, that's activism. 0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:46.839 Get the pothhole field saving cards one day at a time, 0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:53.480 especially in a rough neighborhood, and try and kill your car. 0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:59.080 What is that? Boom? The whole bottom mouth? Damn. You 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.400 should like together if you want me to get anywhere? 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:06.680 Huh pick continue for me to pay for this insurance. 0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:11.399 Stop it anyway, y'all we were half on and half 0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:14.279 off topic and it goes down just like that. We 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:21.160 are having conversations to spark conversation and action not only 0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:24.640 in your lives but in ours as well. And thank 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:27.359 my sisters. Can I can I interrupt you real quick 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:29.120 to just say I also want to thank our listeners 0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:31.000 who stop us in the streets to tell us that 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.440 they are listening. I'm getting more more those lately. And 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:35.520 shout us to Breeze, who is one of our long 0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:38.239 time listeners who I'm met in person yesterday. I just 0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:40.400 want to give love because they think your family. I 0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:45.120 tell them that all the time. Breeze, Breeze, Breeze, Thank 0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:57.040 you Barber. Okay, you can walk by the shop in 0:54:57.120 --> 0:54:59.840 a big window and be like today, I look cute. 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:06.719 Her looks eat out the barbertop. It's a it's a 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:12.680 whole vibe. I'm sorry, I just said I was, I did, 0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:19.319 I did, I did? Come back look at it. Tell 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.520 the people go bye. You come on, we gotta go now. 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:29.320 I'm kay bye y'all. Till next time. Peace. How do 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:36.080 you eat an elephant? One? By? It time? Hey? Listeners? 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:41.319 Is Amber the producer here understanding where to even start 0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:44.680 when getting involved in any type of community Organizing can 0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.960 feel really overwhelming, So I want to share with you 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:51.200 just a really easy place to start is with ourselves 0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:55.239 and in our own households. Are your habits and behaviors, 0:55:55.360 --> 0:56:00.360 upholding your beliefs? Are you contributing to or combating the 0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:03.720 problems that you see in your neighborhood? And what ways 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:07.560 can you adjust after you ask yourself these questions and 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:09.799 make those little adjustments in your day to day life 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:12.800 to go deeper. I want to leave you with two articles, 0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:18.400 one about organizing a movement yourself and another about getting 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:21.239 involved in a movement that's already going. I link both 0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:36.279 of those in the show notes below. Hi. If you 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:39.640 have comments on something you said in this episode, call 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:43.160 eight six six, Hey Joe, if you want to add 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:46.919 to this conversation. That's eight six, six, four, three, nine, five, 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.040 four five five. Don't forget to tell us your name 0:56:50.160 --> 0:56:53.640 and the episode you're referring to. You might just hear 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:57.320 your message on a future episode. 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