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Speaker 1: I am smiling. I'm smiling on the end, Tige, I'm
Speaker 1: smiling on my outside. I feel good. I feel good
Speaker 1: and I'm happy to see my sister friends at Graydon
Speaker 1: Dan's left. I'm so happy to see you to love. Hi,
Speaker 1: my shug, how are you? I'm really good. Life feels
Speaker 1: good right now, the years starting out good. I don't
Speaker 1: know about everything and everybody else, um, but I'm agree
Speaker 1: with you on that for some reasons. One of them
Speaker 1: is Lias Saint Claire, because she's here with me today too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just looking at y'all looking at each other's eyes,
Speaker 1: giving that good sister love. And I'm here. I'm like
Speaker 1: a listener. I'm here for all that you mean. It's
Speaker 1: so a part of it, I know. But look good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's good to feel good, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it's good to feel good about the things that
Speaker 1: you're doing, like trying to really grasp a greater understanding,
Speaker 1: a bigger picture of what it is that you're doing. Now.
Speaker 1: I've noticed now, and we all noticed We've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of people marching, a lot of people making TikTok's
Speaker 1: um and that's no disrespect to TikTok. That's how I
Speaker 1: say TikTok um um on the front, you know the
Speaker 1: TikTok they're they're making posts and um. I think initially
Speaker 1: like social media was to make people more aware of,
Speaker 1: you know, things that were happening. Um. A lot of
Speaker 1: it's become a lot of like celebrity stuff, which is
Speaker 1: which is fine too, But I'm also seeing people commenting
Speaker 1: and showing the kind of interactions that they have with police.
Speaker 1: And as of late, I've noticed that it's it's white people,
Speaker 1: black people, Latina people. It's all kinds of people having
Speaker 1: really harsh interactions with the police. White people you show
Speaker 1: yes because according to Ben Craft, and they ain't in
Speaker 1: the ones that's getting attacked out in these streets, but
Speaker 1: they are attacked. Now we're going to say this, there's
Speaker 1: a difference which police. But I'm just saying that there
Speaker 1: everybody is getting the business. A lot of people are
Speaker 1: getting the business when it comes to a traffic violation.
Speaker 1: Not everybody. It doesn't equal death for everybody, but damn it, right,
Speaker 1: it does for some the more that we see that
Speaker 1: it's a problem across the board, the wars, and see
Speaker 1: that the institution itself, even though it should be enough,
Speaker 1: it should be enough what they're doing, just you know,
Speaker 1: us killing us. You know you got a little bit.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't need it shouldn't need to be universal. Well,
Speaker 1: unfortunately it does. People to make a stand. And you
Speaker 1: know what's crazy. I keep saying their name, but because
Speaker 1: they've been on TV a lot in the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks because of the loss of Tyree, the murder
Speaker 1: of Tyree. But that's what all the activists are saying,
Speaker 1: is that exact thing they're like, because white people aren't
Speaker 1: affecting and murdered the way they are, we're not having
Speaker 1: any change. And that's the only way until they start
Speaker 1: looking at us as being them, Uh, we won't have
Speaker 1: any change. For me, I think it's probably more like,
Speaker 1: how how big are we willing to dream about this?
Speaker 1: What are we willing to sacrifice in order for these
Speaker 1: things to change? And how big are we willing to
Speaker 1: dream about what we want to see it be other
Speaker 1: than what it is right now? Like? And and what
Speaker 1: I mean by that if I'm just need to be
Speaker 1: more specific, is like, are we got to start thinking
Speaker 1: beyond reform and we also have to start thinking about
Speaker 1: what are the things that we're willing to lose in
Speaker 1: the meantime and sacrifice in the meantime for a much larger,
Speaker 1: more radical change, And asking for what depends on what
Speaker 1: you're asking for, What I got to sacrifice to, It
Speaker 1: depends on what. I mean. I'm really not sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, that's right, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: There's a number of things. I mean, we're talking if
Speaker 1: we're talking about police violence, right, It's been a very
Speaker 1: intense conversation around the abolition of police, the abolition of prisons,
Speaker 1: and this gets to be an interesting topic, particularly when
Speaker 1: you start talking about activist groups where you got some
Speaker 1: groups who are primarily made up of black people who
Speaker 1: have lost family members to gun violence and the gun
Speaker 1: violence that did not come from police. So you have
Speaker 1: that argument of well, what do we do with someone
Speaker 1: who shot my cousin, or what do we do with
Speaker 1: somebody who raped somebody or or assaulted someone that I love,
Speaker 1: And then to have a conversation about our individual interactions
Speaker 1: with these systems and the systems overall, if we really
Speaker 1: talk about how people interact with these systems, they are
Speaker 1: primarily negative, and they are primarily deadly for black people
Speaker 1: and negative for all people really and anyone who's poor
Speaker 1: when we're when we're talking about injustice, I did not
Speaker 1: mean to slight in any way your knowledge systs at all.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that when we're talking about injustice, it is
Speaker 1: a deep a tree with very deep roots and long
Speaker 1: branches and many charms. My perception of injustice, or even
Speaker 1: cutting down a tree, is that you trim things branch
Speaker 1: by branch or when you when you cut it directly
Speaker 1: wrote that bitch, if you really want, you can do
Speaker 1: that as well. You can absolutely do that as well.
Speaker 1: But when you can do it like that, you're going
Speaker 1: to have a lot of mess. You're gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot to clean up. Sacrifice when I'm talking about, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot to clean up. You'll be cleaning
Speaker 1: up just as long as you're dealing, as long as
Speaker 1: you've been chopping down the tree, if not longer, you're
Speaker 1: gonna clean up way longer when you cut. When you
Speaker 1: cut injustice, because think about my branch, I hear that's
Speaker 1: the right way to go, jil. I hear you. I
Speaker 1: hear you. I hear you to my core. But I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, we've been talking reform since reconstruction. It's twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: motherfucking three. Yeah, but you'll get up murdered in the streets.
Speaker 1: And that's true. And that's true. However, you do want
Speaker 1: to get props to when there has been reformed and
Speaker 1: there have been progress due to people's hard work, blood,
Speaker 1: sweat and tears, because like, we ain't even getting here
Speaker 1: to where we are, even though it seems it feels
Speaker 1: like it's a fucked up time. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: a time when ship was even more fucked up and
Speaker 1: different with others, I think and those folks cut down
Speaker 1: branches have a have a feeling that when we get
Speaker 1: to this moment that we think that by talking about
Speaker 1: the possibility of uprooting, I think we think that that
Speaker 1: somehow means that there's I'm not trying to say there's
Speaker 1: no respect for work that has been done in a sense.
Speaker 1: We are in a sense. In a sense we are
Speaker 1: because we're all talking about uprooting the tree right the
Speaker 1: whole trie we're talking about it. And then obviously there's
Speaker 1: different ways to uproot it. But to speak specifically about this,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say that there's a guy name M. Khalil,
Speaker 1: and Khalil puts poison at the bottom of the tree
Speaker 1: every Thursday, okay. And there's Um the gardener who comes
Speaker 1: and grabs some of the leaves and he gets it
Speaker 1: all so we can see how many are falling. Now
Speaker 1: there's somebody else who lops off branches at a time.
Speaker 1: But we're saying that in any protest or in any
Speaker 1: involvement of destroying or uprooting injustice, it takes a lot
Speaker 1: of people moving in a similar direction. Layah was saying,
Speaker 1: we were talking earlier about how Al Sharpton is at
Speaker 1: these things. He's always at these things, and most of
Speaker 1: us are like, what are you dumb job? And lat
Speaker 1: hit hit us with it, hit us with it? Would
Speaker 1: you would you say? Yeah? Well, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: we had a we had Alice and gustrowing questions Apreme
Speaker 1: one day and I asked, we talked to him about
Speaker 1: the things that all of us blacks me thinking like
Speaker 1: what do you really do? And he was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: the cameras, he said, people think that I chase the cameras,
Speaker 1: but you know that if I didn't go, they wouldn't come.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times families call me because they
Speaker 1: want attention made to what's going on, to what happened
Speaker 1: to their loved ones. And then he acts kind of
Speaker 1: like as a representative of us, right, he goes there,
Speaker 1: he loves on them. I don't know if you watch
Speaker 1: what he did at Tyrese's funeral, but he serves as us.
Speaker 1: He loves on the family. He makes sure y'all know
Speaker 1: that I'm here today and I will be here tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Like he continues to bring these things up. So he
Speaker 1: has a purpose, but it may not be with y'all think,
Speaker 1: and I think that everybody doesn't understand activism in that way,
Speaker 1: and that it's a formula and a plan in different pieces.
Speaker 1: Just like you said, this tree, it's a tree, just
Speaker 1: like Ben Crump. Ben Crump is a part of this tree, right,
Speaker 1: and Al Sharpton talked about the fact that Ben Crump
Speaker 1: is a person who brought out into Trey Vaughn Martin
Speaker 1: right as a young lawyer, and so this relationship grew,
Speaker 1: and so now Ben Crump is a man who because
Speaker 1: we can't get these officers process hute it like they
Speaker 1: should be because we can't take money out of their pockets.
Speaker 1: Ben Cropp is going to get money for these families
Speaker 1: that have lost their loved ones. That's what he's doing,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna know what's going on, and that's what
Speaker 1: they do. So I think that as a community and
Speaker 1: a family, sometimes we just need to remind ourselves of
Speaker 1: like we all serve different purposes and the struggle that
Speaker 1: we're going because we put a lot of weight on
Speaker 1: a person. Yeah, we put a lot of weight on
Speaker 1: a single person. While you're just posting who literally has
Speaker 1: a single job to do, just one. You know how
Speaker 1: much easier it is to clean your to clean your
Speaker 1: room when all your friends help. Everybody's got a job
Speaker 1: to do, instead of been taking you two hours to
Speaker 1: clean up because you guys had you know, you've had
Speaker 1: pillow fights and you've been eating popcorn and whatever else
Speaker 1: and got soda cans or whatever around. When everybody participates
Speaker 1: and helps clean up, the room gets cleaned and we're
Speaker 1: moving on to the next space to do a new thing.
Speaker 1: I think that the problem that we're having is that
Speaker 1: we're putting a lot of pressure on a single being
Speaker 1: a single person when it really and truly takes all
Speaker 1: of us, y'all. Some scientists right now is teaching those
Speaker 1: termites or glaze in this tree and a certain chemical
Speaker 1: that makes the termites go crazy. It's it's a bunch
Speaker 1: of people that's just working and you may not know
Speaker 1: all of them. But when there are leaders, hopefully what
Speaker 1: a leader does is delegate authority. Yeah, so you give
Speaker 1: people jobs to where where their greatest strength is and
Speaker 1: stay off to social media talking about it. You gotta
Speaker 1: stay off. Things that are done are typically done in
Speaker 1: the dark. Not everybody our ship and how we're moving. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I okay, more real talk after the break. But I
Speaker 1: think there's a misunderstanding. I think in general, the way
Speaker 1: that organizing spaces work. I think the kind of general
Speaker 1: public feels, you know, enthralled by the stories of the
Speaker 1: charismatic leader and the person who's giving the speeches and
Speaker 1: delegating the responsibility and things of that nature. I think
Speaker 1: we do forget somehow what the real kind of you know,
Speaker 1: work of organizing is always collective, because that's kind of
Speaker 1: how we as Africans just operate, and we operated that
Speaker 1: way even when on the outside in the media, it
Speaker 1: looked like there was this kind of singular leader. I
Speaker 1: feel like we have always kind of functioned in this
Speaker 1: multi tiered, multi ways of attacking an issue way that
Speaker 1: whether it's in a radical space or quote unquote assimilation
Speaker 1: in space, whatever, if you're organizing, you're organizing. And I
Speaker 1: think organizing looks different behind the scenes than it does
Speaker 1: to the general public. And I remember watching the movie Selma,
Speaker 1: and one of the one of the the scenes that
Speaker 1: I really appreciated was the depiction of those kind of
Speaker 1: like war room moments during the civil rights leaders where
Speaker 1: you can see that there is a group strategy going
Speaker 1: on here and we're gonna do this. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: here and do vote a registration, and we're gonna go here,
Speaker 1: and we're going to march, and we're gonna sit in
Speaker 1: on this day, and then on this day we're doing this,
Speaker 1: and these things are happening simultaneously, and this person is
Speaker 1: going down south to do some research, and this person
Speaker 1: is doing blah blah blah blah, and that this this
Speaker 1: doesn't undermine the brilliant minds that are that are involved
Speaker 1: in this kind of group project, and many of you know.
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, when when Oprah first became like
Speaker 1: a billionaire, you know, and it's just like, well, somebody
Speaker 1: need to call Oprah. Remember, you know, somebody needs you
Speaker 1: need to call y'all need to call Oprah airplane. Yes,
Speaker 1: down here, you know. And not saying that. I not
Speaker 1: saying that those kind of thing didn't happen, because, um,
Speaker 1: you know, there were definitely some people known for that
Speaker 1: type of work. You know, Um was my man, I'm
Speaker 1: having a brain for it. He's um so fine, honey
Speaker 1: an actor day Oh oh, Harry Bella cont Harry, you
Speaker 1: gotta call a ninety year old? Fine? Yes he is, baby,
Speaker 1: But if you go back to the old footage, it'll
Speaker 1: do something. Yes, we said, but you know, I'm horace.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do this. But what But again, yes, there
Speaker 1: were people who called in the private planes. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. There are people at the money. But
Speaker 1: that is also yet another tier. Yes, that's also another tier,
Speaker 1: funding quiet, funding of radical movements. These are all the things.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, I agree with Jill
Speaker 1: and that we can't always tell what's happening, but I
Speaker 1: also think we aren't. There is quite a bit of
Speaker 1: organizing happening as we speak, and is not being talked
Speaker 1: about on Front Street. That is being done in a
Speaker 1: very grassroots way. And you know, the thing that touches
Speaker 1: my heart and talked about it a little earlier, is
Speaker 1: that with all of this effort and constant and consistent effort,
Speaker 1: we are dealing with a really monster of us, them
Speaker 1: and we and and there's the age old kind of
Speaker 1: conversation as to you know, what is the end result?
Speaker 1: Is the end result? Because for some people, Jill, they
Speaker 1: don't actually want to uproot the tree. They want to
Speaker 1: paint the leaves. You know what I'm saying. They don't
Speaker 1: really want to up with the tradition one. They just
Speaker 1: want to have an area where they can get the shade.
Speaker 1: They just want that area where they can't get the shade, y'all.
Speaker 1: I'm just listening to Well, luckily, well not luckily, not
Speaker 1: luckily at all. Oh, there's a lot of trees in
Speaker 1: the garden. So it seems to me that you have
Speaker 1: to find the tree that gets on your nerves the most,
Speaker 1: find the one that gets on you maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like trying to how do you eat an elephant? Right?
Speaker 1: It's it's it's like because this tree has the you know,
Speaker 1: makes the biggest mess and has the funk. You know
Speaker 1: those little stinky things. You remember, those stinky things you
Speaker 1: stepped on in Philly they fell off the tree. Oh,
Speaker 1: just because that you know, that tree might get on
Speaker 1: your nerves a lot. This one over here that is
Speaker 1: um keeping, keeping North Philly kids mentally enslaved. This thing
Speaker 1: over here that doesn't supply the kind of books or
Speaker 1: environment that is needed. This thing over here, maybe that
Speaker 1: tree is the one that gets on your nerves the most.
Speaker 1: Or the fact that you know somebody's trying to mess
Speaker 1: with with your with your ovarians, you know, on your nerves.
Speaker 1: I'm saying as a society, somebody else that that gets
Speaker 1: on their nerves too, as a society, as a people,
Speaker 1: we gotta find a thing that gets on our nerves
Speaker 1: and be a portion in the destruction and the uprooting
Speaker 1: of that tree. It's just so many things. There's a lot,
Speaker 1: but if we don't focus on one thing at a time,
Speaker 1: I mean, it gets crazy. You do have to find
Speaker 1: your ministry. Amen, come on my home. Cross texts me
Speaker 1: this morning, and she's just like I think people are
Speaker 1: not realizing how fast this election is going to get here.
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, and and here do it. I'm
Speaker 1: starting to get and um, you know, when I think
Speaker 1: about this kind of massive elephant that we're talking about today,
Speaker 1: which is really just kind of like that overarching white
Speaker 1: supremacist capital capitalism, you know, crazy like the way another one,
Speaker 1: it's like, um, you know, when we think about this,
Speaker 1: this whole thing, I kind of you know, get back
Speaker 1: to the whole idea like small group communications. My sister
Speaker 1: um started out in college doing HR and marketing and
Speaker 1: then she moved to like small HR and small group communications,
Speaker 1: and as like what is that? You know, when I
Speaker 1: started to understand that kind of mastering the needs of
Speaker 1: people where they are is really an important conversation. And
Speaker 1: so it gets into that kind of local government thing.
Speaker 1: How are how keyed are you into the needs of
Speaker 1: your neighbors the p and what kind of aid and
Speaker 1: what kind of voice are you giving to the spaces
Speaker 1: that you actually take up? And that not that there
Speaker 1: aren't huge overarching issues that we have to address, but
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if all of us are are deeply
Speaker 1: invested in the small group are we really invested in
Speaker 1: the ten blocks that we live on now like we
Speaker 1: should be most of us are. I know, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Let me just I am not. I want to be.
Speaker 1: I've been. I've been thinking out loud. I'm not. And
Speaker 1: if you are not able to answer the simple question
Speaker 1: of what is the most important thing to the people
Speaker 1: who live to your left and right, the people you're
Speaker 1: actually sharing space with, If you can't answer that question,
Speaker 1: or if that question is not relevant to you, I
Speaker 1: about to say, that's just because when you don't care
Speaker 1: because they don't look like you and they're not you know,
Speaker 1: if that question is not relevant to you, then it
Speaker 1: begins a conversation about how you're going to engage, Like
Speaker 1: I really you know what I'm saying, because the big
Speaker 1: thing is a lot to it's a lot to swallow.
Speaker 1: I was in a spa a week ago and I
Speaker 1: ended up in the spa with this this this white
Speaker 1: lady and she's asking me questions and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you do? Because she's all in my business
Speaker 1: make up less, but I'm like, well what do you do? She's, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm an environmental scientist. Who's that? She said? Yeah, she said,
Speaker 1: you know the problem is not she said, the problem
Speaker 1: is actually not climate change. She said. Climate change is real,
Speaker 1: she said, but what average person to get wrapped their
Speaker 1: mind around that. You know, they're gonna vote for the
Speaker 1: candidate who says they're against it, she said, But you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of that that's going on is so much
Speaker 1: bigger than the experience of the everyday people. Y'all should
Speaker 1: go on to these meetings and figuring out why they're
Speaker 1: building buildings and it's that going to affect your groundwater?
Speaker 1: She was like, that's the environmental stuff that that y'all
Speaker 1: need to be concerned about. Is what is happening in
Speaker 1: the ten to twenty blocks around your home, the twenty
Speaker 1: blocks around your kids school especially. Yeah, she was, most
Speaker 1: people have no idea what the developmental plan is for
Speaker 1: their community, that that's being decided five years before you
Speaker 1: see a single construction vehicle. Yeah, I got Living in
Speaker 1: California has made me way more locally aware. It's kind
Speaker 1: of an interesting advantage because you vote for everything. But
Speaker 1: you are I totally agree with you, Adrian. You are
Speaker 1: so right. My girlfriend was just complaining the other day
Speaker 1: that the city was coming they were gonna tear up
Speaker 1: the pipes in the block to refurbish them. And she's like,
Speaker 1: that means that we're not gonna have water for you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe two or three days. And we got to
Speaker 1: stop this and you know, making phone calls and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I was like, so you you don't want healthy
Speaker 1: water in your house? Do you want the old pipes
Speaker 1: that have been around since who knows who um filtering
Speaker 1: your water system? You want that? It's it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: just taking a taking the picture and making it to
Speaker 1: puzzle pieces, and then everybody grabbing a puzzle piece, finding
Speaker 1: your partner and coming together to make the bigger picture.
Speaker 1: We're talking about how to organize in such a way
Speaker 1: that your your energy towards injustice is effective productive, you know,
Speaker 1: just for the average person. We only know how to
Speaker 1: either romanticize or demonize the activists. Oh, we want the
Speaker 1: activists to shut up because we don't want them over
Speaker 1: correcting us. But we want them to show up when
Speaker 1: shit goes bad. Are we're gonna blame them for why
Speaker 1: things never change right where he at, why he income
Speaker 1: or he just says they too sensitive. You know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the activist, the person who
Speaker 1: is active, must be you. It is it is us
Speaker 1: as you and me. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: nobody's coming. There's no calvary. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: there's no calvary. If you or I have not invested
Speaker 1: in it, then what so I my same girlfriend who
Speaker 1: texted me, she was like, what are you thinking about
Speaker 1: in terms of like your top three things that you
Speaker 1: types of like legislation that are on your mind, Like
Speaker 1: what's your top three things that you really need to
Speaker 1: see changed? Okay? And I had six? Did she say
Speaker 1: after you give them? Did she say something else? Did
Speaker 1: she say give you like, well, she didn't. She didn't.
Speaker 1: But I think it was an important exercise to think
Speaker 1: about it, because you're just saying there's a lot of
Speaker 1: trees in that in that garden, But do we all
Speaker 1: really think about like what is the most important thing
Speaker 1: to me? M Like, what is the thing that's like
Speaker 1: sitting on my spirit? But if you think about it
Speaker 1: in a legislative way, that that list will get longer
Speaker 1: and longer. Like you said, she asked you for three,
Speaker 1: you gave her six. I think that would happen because
Speaker 1: you'll be like, well, I want to get paid equal,
Speaker 1: I want to get paid fairly. Uh. I want to
Speaker 1: be able to be happy, to have rights over my body,
Speaker 1: for the police officers not to be able to kill
Speaker 1: black people, huh anybody. I want for people to be
Speaker 1: able to get the education, a full education. I'm already
Speaker 1: in four like you just you know. But but but again,
Speaker 1: the discipline of saying what is most important to me,
Speaker 1: and then kind of moving in the ideas of like
Speaker 1: or what does it look like for me, What does
Speaker 1: it look like for me to show up in the
Speaker 1: space around me to help that to happen? What does
Speaker 1: that look like for me to in the community where
Speaker 1: I live, in my own home? Even first, what's my
Speaker 1: own body? Because so much of the care and the
Speaker 1: anti racist work that we gotta do is in our
Speaker 1: own bodies, you know, taking care of ourselves. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying those are That's that's the where it starts.
Speaker 1: But then the extension of that goes into your neighborhood
Speaker 1: and then into your city, into your state, and the
Speaker 1: into your country. The decompression of it all. That's why
Speaker 1: I posted that Al Sharpton on that treadmill at five
Speaker 1: am in the morning, because that is because that is
Speaker 1: where the work begins. Because in Al Sharpton who dies
Speaker 1: before his time because of heart disease, which is the
Speaker 1: number one killer okay of black people. Yes, yes, you
Speaker 1: know that. What is that? Then? Then how does that
Speaker 1: help us to lose a soldier? Yes, but however you
Speaker 1: feel about them? Yea, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: the body, the body is first, and then and then
Speaker 1: it goes outward. And again, this is a working and
Speaker 1: moving conversation. I'm not an organize, Okay, I'm just abroad.
Speaker 1: You need an organizer, somebody who has a big picture,
Speaker 1: who can who can really and and be all. They're
Speaker 1: easy to find, are they. So there's always somebody organizing
Speaker 1: in your community always, And we got the Google now,
Speaker 1: so there is always somebody organizing. So that's a step.
Speaker 1: That's a step running an organizer locally. Okay. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break and then we'll be right back. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to hear my list. My list number one
Speaker 1: free healthcare to free college. Three fully funded public schooling,
Speaker 1: for abolition of prisons, police with the investment in community healing,
Speaker 1: housing and employment. Five comprehensive recovery plan for the pandemic,
Speaker 1: and six reparations that's why I live in California because
Speaker 1: that last one on your list. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I was talking to a group of DC people the
Speaker 1: other day and it was like, I mean, y'all ain't
Speaker 1: gonna get nothing about that reparations. I said, you know
Speaker 1: what the point is that my governor started the process, right,
Speaker 1: and you live in a black city with the bush
Speaker 1: mayor with okay, and you still being taxed and you're
Speaker 1: not even without being a state who So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need you to leave my governor newsom we over here
Speaker 1: with the Crown Act. Okay, all right, Okay, I love DC.
Speaker 1: That's my that's oh yeah, no, no, no, no, all
Speaker 1: day every day, I don't think every day. You can
Speaker 1: check your boob, you can check your book. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So you find the tree that irks you sold the
Speaker 1: most in the garden of injustice, and then you find
Speaker 1: an organizer, okay, or or you become one you or
Speaker 1: you become one. Hey. Now, so you have a specific reason,
Speaker 1: um that you don't like this thing whatever that uh
Speaker 1: injustices um, and you the organizer and yourself, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing shit out here, y'all. Listen, it's organizations,
Speaker 1: it's people doing work. Always if you want to do work,
Speaker 1: I firmly believe it's only about you deciding to do work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's so much easier to just go to my
Speaker 1: Instagram and just like repos ahead that I can really
Speaker 1: just says, I don't know, y'all. Sometimes I feel like
Speaker 1: we're hard on each other about that. I know I'm
Speaker 1: us like, oh, y'all just posting and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, y'all. I feel like social media my
Speaker 1: retort is actually to the people who comes out. It
Speaker 1: has helped. It definitely does. It's a part of it's
Speaker 1: another part of that process. I was making a bad
Speaker 1: joke for the people who actually attack people that in
Speaker 1: these streets doing these things, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like the ones who ain't in the streets doing these things,
Speaker 1: and you just posing. That's what I do because I
Speaker 1: know I'm not in the streets like I should be.
Speaker 1: Can you ride out? You know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing that every little thing. Um, I'm won't say every
Speaker 1: little thing, but all the little things add up. If
Speaker 1: you're trying to, you know, uproot a tree, So you
Speaker 1: need someone that's going to organize all the things right.
Speaker 1: And then you have to find specific people who want
Speaker 1: the same thing. They want this tree up rooted, find
Speaker 1: specific people to do specific things for the bigger picture.
Speaker 1: So I would say the organizer would have the biggest picture,
Speaker 1: I guess, or the organizers I think they always do.
Speaker 1: But I think I think they always do. Here's here's
Speaker 1: the thing I want to keep in mind again, and
Speaker 1: this is not to confuse further confuse a very you know,
Speaker 1: complex situation any further, but I do want us to
Speaker 1: keep this part in mind. All Black people are not
Speaker 1: the same. All black people don't think the same, and
Speaker 1: this will show itself up in organizing spaces if you
Speaker 1: really talk to organizers, which we should have somebody on
Speaker 1: here who really does this work. But in organizing spaces,
Speaker 1: I've heard different people vent about even in spaces that
Speaker 1: are dedicated to liberation have to be checked, vetted and
Speaker 1: rework sometimes, you know what I'm saying. So even in
Speaker 1: those spaces, to romanticize the organizing spaces is important not
Speaker 1: to do that because even in those spaces it will
Speaker 1: not be perfect because we're all dealing with the constant
Speaker 1: onslide of what these systems do to us, and so
Speaker 1: there will be people who look at it like this
Speaker 1: is what we should do, and then you go on
Speaker 1: this other side. A good friend of mine and he's
Speaker 1: been on the show, Josh Meyers posted the other day
Speaker 1: a letter from Carter G. Woodson, who turn down an
Speaker 1: opportunity to work with w eb D Boys and yes
Speaker 1: because some of his work at the time was being
Speaker 1: heavily funded by white people. Oh yeah, I remember it
Speaker 1: was like the original b So this is important. This
Speaker 1: is so important for us that our ancestors didn't always agree.
Speaker 1: Malcolm and Martin Hello, you know, I mean, but it's
Speaker 1: it exists and it's dalid. You know, they didn't always
Speaker 1: agree be but you know, the attempts, the ongoing strategy,
Speaker 1: the willingness to grow and evolve. Our leaders evolved in
Speaker 1: their lives. A twenty five year old w eb D
Speaker 1: Boys is not an eighty year old e w Ebdu Boys.
Speaker 1: You can't quote a twenty year old or twenty five
Speaker 1: year old D Boys and think that you'd have said
Speaker 1: something without then knowing and understanding his thinking in his
Speaker 1: politics fifty years later, which is quite different. Same for Malcolm,
Speaker 1: same for Martin just shorter lives sounds like a counsel
Speaker 1: of ethics, and that council of ethics would have to
Speaker 1: be multi generational. Hum to not overmind the situation, but
Speaker 1: keep in mind, because you're not easy, we can get
Speaker 1: off track. Yeah, it's keep in mind the keep in
Speaker 1: mind the focus of this thing. It's like something else
Speaker 1: is gonna come up. We're like, you know, people have
Speaker 1: hdh D. Sorry sorry sorry, probably I probably I gotta
Speaker 1: be because you know squirrel. Um, So like oh look,
Speaker 1: oh there's bird flag? Would you say? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm very much an artist in that way too. So like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you need an organizer or organizers, you need someone
Speaker 1: a council of ethics that could be three people or
Speaker 1: or you know, I think three is a good number, um,
Speaker 1: because it's it keeps it pretty simple, keeps it simple. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that that all three would have to agree,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like if we trust them,
Speaker 1: then all three would have to agree of our whole
Speaker 1: break race or is this it locally? Each I'm safety
Speaker 1: each tree, each tree, each issue, each issue, each thing,
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing that gets on your soul.
Speaker 1: If I guess you so much that you want to
Speaker 1: put your energy into destroying that thing and destroying that
Speaker 1: particular that tree right there. Okay, so you need some
Speaker 1: organizers and you need a council of ethics. I feel
Speaker 1: like I honestly, I ain't gonna lie to you. I
Speaker 1: just think the world is I think organizers are like
Speaker 1: apples on the tree. There's so many people out here
Speaker 1: doing work. Yeah, they're easy to find, Yeah, they're easy
Speaker 1: to your point about I'm not saying I'm just saying that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I'm not saying that that they don't exist.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that if you're listening or within listening ears
Speaker 1: and it's something that's really troubling your soul about a
Speaker 1: particular thing, you go and find and be of service,
Speaker 1: do the thing you might be. You might be the
Speaker 1: you know, the ant that's that's dropping in you know, poison.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm just saying, you know, it
Speaker 1: takes it takes an army of ants, you know, to
Speaker 1: to create a colony. You know now that if you
Speaker 1: get rid of one, it doesn't mean that the train
Speaker 1: of ants is gonna stop moving. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: we've play so much, so much weight on a leader,
Speaker 1: and the weight is like, you can't have any flaw,
Speaker 1: laws or faults, you can't be a human. You have
Speaker 1: to you got you remember and you know you're not.
Speaker 1: You don't have space. So the whole leader thing is
Speaker 1: is is not going to work. It is to me,
Speaker 1: I really feel like it's more of a council, a
Speaker 1: tribunal of you know, a group of people that don't
Speaker 1: like this particular injustice and some say we have that.
Speaker 1: We are just trying to tell anybody within listening ears
Speaker 1: who is not found a thing, you know, a found
Speaker 1: a thing to be a part of it really is community,
Speaker 1: then find the thing. Come on if you're right. I
Speaker 1: mean also to like um, what I think like you
Speaker 1: might be referring to is you remember um. At the
Speaker 1: height of BLM Black Lives Matter movement, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of critique around it for not having a centralized
Speaker 1: leadership and the fact that really what it was at
Speaker 1: the end of the jay was a rallying cry and
Speaker 1: then was forced into becoming an organization. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that it was in terms of it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of rushed into that space was saying we're not
Speaker 1: having centralized leadership. This is about people kind of taking
Speaker 1: this overall rally and cry in these points and making
Speaker 1: it happen locally in their own spaces. And but now
Speaker 1: to do right now we do? It's at least three
Speaker 1: people who claim to be like along with Patrice Colors,
Speaker 1: there were the founders, right, but I think they were
Speaker 1: the founders. But you know, there's, like I said, they
Speaker 1: came under fire for not having this kind of you know,
Speaker 1: centralized leadership. So we do have to work on ourselves.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I found that
Speaker 1: the process that I go through sometimes is making sure
Speaker 1: that I'm not in my own way. You know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: there's always this feeling like I might be dragging some
Speaker 1: sort of kind of outdated thinking or some thinking that's
Speaker 1: blocking me from being a real service to people in
Speaker 1: the spaces that I want to take up because of
Speaker 1: my way of thinking. If I'm a person who feels
Speaker 1: really you know, invested in that kind of leadership, and
Speaker 1: it's not there, and it is deeply communal because even
Speaker 1: we can look at like, you know, I guess our
Speaker 1: kind of our indigenous brothers and sisters, and how the
Speaker 1: different kind of Native nations worked. Some of them were
Speaker 1: were power was spread out amongst people differently. Sometimes leadership
Speaker 1: had to come through the woman's lineage. So there's lots
Speaker 1: of ways to Skinner can't feel. But you know, I
Speaker 1: just like try to keep mind I'm not dragging anything
Speaker 1: into the space that's going to keep us from moving forward,
Speaker 1: just because I'm just really focused on it happen to
Speaker 1: be a certain kind of way, you know, Like for example,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some spaces that people feel like leadership
Speaker 1: has to be male or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, our religious spaces used to be really centralized
Speaker 1: for where we would be working on these issues. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in some churches and still to this day, women
Speaker 1: are not allowed to be in leadership. So you find
Speaker 1: an organization or something that you believe in, but the
Speaker 1: leadership is not there. You have you, I guess you
Speaker 1: have a choice. You can continue to follow it and
Speaker 1: see where it's going. And if if you don't like
Speaker 1: where it's going, either talk to the people around you,
Speaker 1: I suppose, or find something else to do. It's always something,
Speaker 1: it's always something has something else to do, It's always
Speaker 1: something else. I'm like I was sitting here looking. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me see what the National ash and network got
Speaker 1: going on on their little things some resources, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not checking it because I'm not checking it. I'm not
Speaker 1: checking it daily. No, I'm not checking it daily. I
Speaker 1: literally this is the first time I've ever been here.
Speaker 1: I was like, to your city council meetings, Do y'all
Speaker 1: go to those? I say, some meetings that become national news.
Speaker 1: I feel like I definitely need to, But now I
Speaker 1: haven't gone yet. Yeah, I'm saying I will get into
Speaker 1: a book and to two point two seconds, but I
Speaker 1: don't I should go. I'm just trying to get it.
Speaker 1: We're all we've all got issues and pass and stuff.
Speaker 1: We all have stuff, and I feel like sometimes the
Speaker 1: stuff gets put in front of the forward movement. And
Speaker 1: I know, like we were talking a lot of people
Speaker 1: we were talked earlier about assholes now and how at
Speaker 1: some point you got to realize that you're an asshole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you had that point have a choice to continue
Speaker 1: being an asshole or you could go to therapy figure
Speaker 1: out why you are like this because it doesn't serve
Speaker 1: anything or doesn't serve anyone. For it's greater good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm talking about. Like when you're following
Speaker 1: a particular path because you think that that it's going
Speaker 1: to lead you somewhere. But you've been doing this thing,
Speaker 1: the same thing for twenty years and nothing is happening,
Speaker 1: nothing is happening. Then you have an obligation, I would think,
Speaker 1: to yourself to make a different choice, to go a
Speaker 1: different path. And we easily like this is just from
Speaker 1: my perspective, and I've seen it in myself. I will
Speaker 1: leave the thing and go to the thing that's just
Speaker 1: like the last thing. It's been a big deal that
Speaker 1: I left the thing, but I left the thing for
Speaker 1: the for the almost damn near the last thing in
Speaker 1: the same skin. Yeah, you know. But that's why the
Speaker 1: self awareness piece is important. Like we talked about it
Speaker 1: at the top of this conversation, like what are you
Speaker 1: doing to um, like decolonize the self first? You know,
Speaker 1: like what are you? What are you doing? You know
Speaker 1: that that's really important word and sometimes can end up
Speaker 1: being your singular work. Okay, So let's just sometimes that
Speaker 1: can be your work. That's hard work for us, and
Speaker 1: for us it's important because we have a platform. So
Speaker 1: the moment that we work on decolonizing ourselves and we
Speaker 1: start talking and using that platform and we're putting that
Speaker 1: kind of messaging out that makes the work, the self
Speaker 1: work that we do that more impactful. Man. Okay, So
Speaker 1: just imagine you've got a group of people who are
Speaker 1: thinking along the same lines, trying to get rid of
Speaker 1: this particular tree, right, a particular one, and then they
Speaker 1: have people come in for just I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: a meeting or something. I don't know what to call
Speaker 1: the thing, but they have someone come in to talk
Speaker 1: about decolonizing your mentality, like continuously fueling. So because anybody
Speaker 1: and everybody can get lost, it's so easy to do
Speaker 1: very and essentially they already are lost. So there's a
Speaker 1: level of education that has to be provided and options
Speaker 1: provide it because we're all just people, right of course. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I don't know if anybody's taking notes. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling this shit. Okay, So you need an organizer
Speaker 1: of ethics, you know, a different generation of people. I'm
Speaker 1: just there's many ways to do this thing. I just
Speaker 1: I just want and um encourage you. I love that
Speaker 1: your mind is circle back to solution based thinking you know.
Speaker 1: And and again, if you're organizing, you're listening to this
Speaker 1: and you're thinking like, bless bless their hearts. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that because everybody has to start in a
Speaker 1: space of newness, in that place where it is like
Speaker 1: if you're moving into a different way of thinking in
Speaker 1: your mind, you know, and you have access to other people,
Speaker 1: it is your journey is as important as somebody who
Speaker 1: may be a little bit further down down the road.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because who you are in
Speaker 1: the circle of people that you're in is that's that's
Speaker 1: a group of important people will come out of that
Speaker 1: group can be life changing, transformative. Even so, you can't
Speaker 1: don't underestimate where you are in this process, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If this is something that you're not
Speaker 1: if this is something that we're talking about right now,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh, I'm so above this, I'm
Speaker 1: beyond this. I've already I've been doing this twenty five
Speaker 1: thirty years. Fool. If you've never thought about it before. Cool.
Speaker 1: Everybody is kind of like in a different space in
Speaker 1: that journey and that's okay, And that the moment that
Speaker 1: you start thinking about it. The moment you start really
Speaker 1: working out in your head, you are already changing the room.
Speaker 1: You're already changing the space, You're already impacting the people
Speaker 1: around you. I just, I really am a firm believer
Speaker 1: in that because I'm just you know, I find a
Speaker 1: lot of liberation and being the dummy in the room.
Speaker 1: I don't like being the person in the room that
Speaker 1: knows the most. I want to be the person in
Speaker 1: the moom that knows the least because I want to
Speaker 1: learn something. When I leave, I want to be enlightened.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And I mean ultimately, that's
Speaker 1: why I enjoy talking to you guys, because when I
Speaker 1: walk away from it, I'm like, yeah, we do that
Speaker 1: for you girls. Shut up. I'm like you just say
Speaker 1: I thought she was the one doing it, Okay, No,
Speaker 1: and you know better and you do it for me,
Speaker 1: like yeah, and you know, I know, I know. More
Speaker 1: conversation after the break, everybody is really gifted and thoughtful
Speaker 1: about what's happening, you know, around us, and we are
Speaker 1: formula as well, ladies. So we are formula as well
Speaker 1: when we talk about you know, activism and how everybody
Speaker 1: serves a different I feel like, that's us too. We
Speaker 1: are are voltron, right, It's like voltron basically that's what
Speaker 1: that's what it takes. It takes ron, it takes kind
Speaker 1: of so so anybody exactly listening this is this is
Speaker 1: just to get you excited. If you've already been active,
Speaker 1: and you've already been working on changing the system, and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you feel tired, maybe you do need
Speaker 1: to take a break, Maybe you need to need a
Speaker 1: moment ago and and get in some hot springs and okay,
Speaker 1: huh and the nature the rest of us need to
Speaker 1: tap in the yeah, because people are exhausted, Jill, They
Speaker 1: really are. I saw an interview with Angela Davis and
Speaker 1: she talked about they ain't know nothing about no self
Speaker 1: care as active and during their time has a very
Speaker 1: new concept. But I'm gonna tell you something something I
Speaker 1: have really learned by watching just on the outside looking in,
Speaker 1: watching some of the work around like mutual Aid within
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community. It is inspiring because it's a keepist, simple,
Speaker 1: stupid thing. You know what I mean. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, who is in need, who has something to
Speaker 1: give to who is in need? But more than anything
Speaker 1: is what are the needs of those who are around you?
Speaker 1: What are your needs? And what are the needs of
Speaker 1: those around you who have less? Who have less? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, accessibility to things or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: I follow a guy Instagram and literally his entire account
Speaker 1: is mutual aid requests. I think that's powerful is that
Speaker 1: his name is Freedom John. Now, what is mutual aid
Speaker 1: alone aid? And it's basically it's it's it's some regular
Speaker 1: church community shit. So and so gotta move and they
Speaker 1: got three kids and they gotta move. They about to
Speaker 1: get kicked out their apartment. They need money to move.
Speaker 1: All right, cool? Who got what? We're gonna drop off
Speaker 1: an envelope? You remember the envelope like the Red Parties, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: mutual aide. It is this black woman's opinion that that
Speaker 1: is a time it is is though that So it's
Speaker 1: like go fund me like a new mutual aid. People
Speaker 1: use it as so fund me is mutual aide. It's
Speaker 1: been demonized because of different things that have happened, you know,
Speaker 1: and people feel like, ex what, people are lazy or
Speaker 1: they're not doing what they're supposed to do when they
Speaker 1: just depend on go fund me. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it ain't no people out there that's you know, less
Speaker 1: than kosher about what they're trying to do. However, the
Speaker 1: idea of community giving and community support is not new.
Speaker 1: It's super super you know, you know, you've been doing
Speaker 1: it for a long time, and you know again it
Speaker 1: helps us to make it bite sized. What we like
Speaker 1: at Jadi L Yes we do. We like a bite
Speaker 1: size okay, and it's bite size. It's a bite size
Speaker 1: you know, response and an immediate and direct response to need.
Speaker 1: And it's not the only thing you do again, multi
Speaker 1: tiered shit is the way we have always operated. This
Speaker 1: is our actual history. I'm not, you know, reinventing any
Speaker 1: wheels here. This is something our ancestors have done never.
Speaker 1: We always didn't have the names for these things. It's
Speaker 1: so funny now today we have the verbiage for it,
Speaker 1: like we have the name. It's a thing, you know, trauma.
Speaker 1: It's not funny, is there funny at all? Because that's
Speaker 1: what happens when somebody steals your language income jail. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, I chance for my lemon water. That's what happens.
Speaker 1: Sound like the spirit of Stephanie Mills, just jail. Imagine
Speaker 1: imagine that I could I could call across a room,
Speaker 1: you know, or or across a yard or across a field,
Speaker 1: and and um say a word that not only takes
Speaker 1: you to a place mentally, that takes you to a
Speaker 1: feeling that gives you a strength and remind you who
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, you're not allowed to say anything. Don't
Speaker 1: speak your language, kill you. No, that's why we now.
Speaker 1: All we have left is our our mmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm mmmmmmmmmmmm
Speaker 1: mmmm that's what we gotta left, and we're bad. We
Speaker 1: could look at that, all of that, all of that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we and see strangers when women who are strangers
Speaker 1: to you doing it, and you know what's going on,
Speaker 1: so maybe we just Yeah, that was a moment. I
Speaker 1: just realized we still have that powerful. It made me
Speaker 1: happy to feel that. It's a little joy. That's us.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. You're talking about people who truly
Speaker 1: take absolutely nothing and just create. That's that's We're very
Speaker 1: powerful people. And when we focus, we may not get
Speaker 1: everything that we want to get done on our lists.
Speaker 1: You know, we might not be able to check everything.
Speaker 1: But go on and check something. It'll feel good. And
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he might want to check something else, and
Speaker 1: then something else. I'm going to a meet me. You
Speaker 1: are powerful and when you and when you decide, you
Speaker 1: make a decision. Man o man. I would just want
Speaker 1: to say thank you to everybody who is um making
Speaker 1: strides and using whatever acts, whatever saw, whatever's knife, whatever sin,
Speaker 1: whatever pencil, toe, nail clip, whatever it is that you're
Speaker 1: doing to cut down the tree. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. And for anybody who hasn't decided
Speaker 1: on what tree they want to tear down, just know
Speaker 1: that when you do go for it, go hard in
Speaker 1: the paint. And sometimes that means those things that you
Speaker 1: do hard in the paint won't be noticed, not yet,
Speaker 1: not yet. But when you do good, you get good.
Speaker 1: That's my firm opinion. Like a paver, Papa takes part.
Speaker 1: Maybe when it's like you know Martins said it, I
Speaker 1: may not get there with you, m but the thing
Speaker 1: is that I'm responsible for this section of road. I'm
Speaker 1: putting down these ten pavers. This is my part and
Speaker 1: my section, and I want to do my work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're like if I could just get one,
Speaker 1: I can just get one, you know, I just be
Speaker 1: feeling in a pothole, boo. But that's cool too, that's activism.
Speaker 1: Get the pothhole field saving cards one day at a time,
Speaker 1: especially in a rough neighborhood, and try and kill your car.
Speaker 1: What is that? Boom? The whole bottom mouth? Damn. You
Speaker 1: should like together if you want me to get anywhere?
Speaker 1: Huh pick continue for me to pay for this insurance.
Speaker 1: Stop it anyway, y'all we were half on and half
Speaker 1: off topic and it goes down just like that. We
Speaker 1: are having conversations to spark conversation and action not only
Speaker 1: in your lives but in ours as well. And thank
Speaker 1: my sisters. Can I can I interrupt you real quick
Speaker 1: to just say I also want to thank our listeners
Speaker 1: who stop us in the streets to tell us that
Speaker 1: they are listening. I'm getting more more those lately. And
Speaker 1: shout us to Breeze, who is one of our long
Speaker 1: time listeners who I'm met in person yesterday. I just
Speaker 1: want to give love because they think your family. I
Speaker 1: tell them that all the time. Breeze, Breeze, Breeze, Thank
Speaker 1: you Barber. Okay, you can walk by the shop in
Speaker 1: a big window and be like today, I look cute.
Speaker 1: Her looks eat out the barbertop. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: whole vibe. I'm sorry, I just said I was, I did,
Speaker 1: I did, I did? Come back look at it. Tell
Speaker 1: the people go bye. You come on, we gotta go now.
Speaker 1: I'm kay bye y'all. Till next time. Peace. How do
Speaker 1: you eat an elephant? One? By? It time? Hey? Listeners?
Speaker 1: Is Amber the producer here understanding where to even start
Speaker 1: when getting involved in any type of community Organizing can
Speaker 1: feel really overwhelming, So I want to share with you
Speaker 1: just a really easy place to start is with ourselves
Speaker 1: and in our own households. Are your habits and behaviors,
Speaker 1: upholding your beliefs? Are you contributing to or combating the
Speaker 1: problems that you see in your neighborhood? And what ways
Speaker 1: can you adjust after you ask yourself these questions and
Speaker 1: make those little adjustments in your day to day life
Speaker 1: to go deeper. I want to leave you with two articles,
Speaker 1: one about organizing a movement yourself and another about getting
Speaker 1: involved in a movement that's already going. I link both
Speaker 1: of those in the show notes below. Hi. If you
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