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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot Il, a production of iHeartRadio. What's Up,

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Speaker 1: Good People, Welcome back to Jay dot Ill the Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am smiling. I'm smiling on the end, Tige, I'm

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Speaker 1: smiling on my outside. I feel good. I feel good

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Speaker 1: and I'm happy to see my sister friends at Graydon

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Speaker 1: Dan's left. I'm so happy to see you to love. Hi,

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Speaker 1: my shug, how are you? I'm really good. Life feels

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Speaker 1: good right now, the years starting out good. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about everything and everybody else, um, but I'm agree

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Speaker 1: with you on that for some reasons. One of them

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Speaker 1: is Lias Saint Claire, because she's here with me today too.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just looking at y'all looking at each other's eyes,

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Speaker 1: giving that good sister love. And I'm here. I'm like

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Speaker 1: a listener. I'm here for all that you mean. It's

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Speaker 1: so a part of it, I know. But look good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's good to feel good, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And it's good to feel good about the things that

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Speaker 1: you're doing, like trying to really grasp a greater understanding,

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Speaker 1: a bigger picture of what it is that you're doing. Now.

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Speaker 1: I've noticed now, and we all noticed We've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of people marching, a lot of people making TikTok's

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Speaker 1: um and that's no disrespect to TikTok. That's how I

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Speaker 1: say TikTok um um on the front, you know the

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Speaker 1: TikTok they're they're making posts and um. I think initially

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Speaker 1: like social media was to make people more aware of,

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Speaker 1: you know, things that were happening. Um. A lot of

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Speaker 1: it's become a lot of like celebrity stuff, which is

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Speaker 1: which is fine too, But I'm also seeing people commenting

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Speaker 1: and showing the kind of interactions that they have with police.

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Speaker 1: And as of late, I've noticed that it's it's white people,

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Speaker 1: black people, Latina people. It's all kinds of people having

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Speaker 1: really harsh interactions with the police. White people you show

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Speaker 1: yes because according to Ben Craft, and they ain't in

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Speaker 1: the ones that's getting attacked out in these streets, but

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Speaker 1: they are attacked. Now we're going to say this, there's

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Speaker 1: a difference which police. But I'm just saying that there

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Speaker 1: everybody is getting the business. A lot of people are

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Speaker 1: getting the business when it comes to a traffic violation.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody. It doesn't equal death for everybody, but damn it, right,

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Speaker 1: it does for some the more that we see that

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Speaker 1: it's a problem across the board, the wars, and see

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Speaker 1: that the institution itself, even though it should be enough,

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Speaker 1: it should be enough what they're doing, just you know,

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Speaker 1: us killing us. You know you got a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't need it shouldn't need to be universal. Well,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately it does. People to make a stand. And you

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Speaker 1: know what's crazy. I keep saying their name, but because

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Speaker 1: they've been on TV a lot in the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks because of the loss of Tyree, the murder

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Speaker 1: of Tyree. But that's what all the activists are saying,

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Speaker 1: is that exact thing they're like, because white people aren't

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Speaker 1: affecting and murdered the way they are, we're not having

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Speaker 1: any change. And that's the only way until they start

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Speaker 1: looking at us as being them, Uh, we won't have

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Speaker 1: any change. For me, I think it's probably more like,

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Speaker 1: how how big are we willing to dream about this?

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Speaker 1: What are we willing to sacrifice in order for these

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Speaker 1: things to change? And how big are we willing to

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Speaker 1: dream about what we want to see it be other

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Speaker 1: than what it is right now? Like? And and what

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Speaker 1: I mean by that if I'm just need to be

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Speaker 1: more specific, is like, are we got to start thinking

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Speaker 1: beyond reform and we also have to start thinking about

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Speaker 1: what are the things that we're willing to lose in

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Speaker 1: the meantime and sacrifice in the meantime for a much larger,

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Speaker 1: more radical change, And asking for what depends on what

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Speaker 1: you're asking for, What I got to sacrifice to, It

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Speaker 1: depends on what. I mean. I'm really not sure. I mean,

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Speaker 1: There's a number of things. I mean, we're talking if

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Speaker 1: we're talking about police violence, right, It's been a very

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Speaker 1: intense conversation around the abolition of police, the abolition of prisons,

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Speaker 1: and this gets to be an interesting topic, particularly when

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Speaker 1: you start talking about activist groups where you got some

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Speaker 1: groups who are primarily made up of black people who

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Speaker 1: have lost family members to gun violence and the gun

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Speaker 1: that argument of well, what do we do with someone

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Speaker 1: somebody who raped somebody or or assaulted someone that I love,

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Speaker 1: And then to have a conversation about our individual interactions

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Speaker 1: with these systems and the systems overall, if we really

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Speaker 1: talk about how people interact with these systems, they are

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Speaker 1: primarily negative, and they are primarily deadly for black people

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Speaker 1: and negative for all people really and anyone who's poor

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Speaker 1: when we're when we're talking about injustice, I did not

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Speaker 1: mean to slight in any way your knowledge systs at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that when we're talking about injustice, it is

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Speaker 1: a deep a tree with very deep roots and long

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Speaker 1: branches and many charms. My perception of injustice, or even

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Speaker 1: cutting down a tree, is that you trim things branch

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Speaker 1: by branch or when you when you cut it directly

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Speaker 1: wrote that bitch, if you really want, you can do

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Speaker 1: that as well. You can absolutely do that as well.

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Speaker 1: But when you can do it like that, you're going

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Speaker 1: to have a lot of mess. You're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: lot to clean up. Sacrifice when I'm talking about, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a lot to clean up. You'll be cleaning

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Speaker 1: up just as long as you're dealing, as long as

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Speaker 1: you've been chopping down the tree, if not longer, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna clean up way longer when you cut. When you

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Speaker 1: cut injustice, because think about my branch, I hear that's

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Speaker 1: the right way to go, jil. I hear you. I

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Speaker 1: hear you. I hear you to my core. But I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you, we've been talking reform since reconstruction. It's twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: motherfucking three. Yeah, but you'll get up murdered in the streets.

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Speaker 1: And that's true. And that's true. However, you do want

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Speaker 1: to get props to when there has been reformed and

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Speaker 1: there have been progress due to people's hard work, blood,

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Speaker 1: like it's a fucked up time. I mean, there was

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Speaker 1: a time when ship was even more fucked up and

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Speaker 1: different with others, I think and those folks cut down

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Speaker 1: the possibility of uprooting, I think we think that that

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Speaker 1: somehow means that there's I'm not trying to say there's

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Speaker 1: no respect for work that has been done in a sense.

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Speaker 1: We are in a sense. In a sense we are

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Speaker 1: because we're all talking about uprooting the tree right the

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Speaker 1: whole trie we're talking about it. And then obviously there's

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Speaker 1: different ways to uproot it. But to speak specifically about this,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say that there's a guy name M. Khalil,

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Speaker 1: and Khalil puts poison at the bottom of the tree

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Speaker 1: there's somebody else who lops off branches at a time.

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Speaker 1: But we're saying that in any protest or in any

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Speaker 1: of people moving in a similar direction. Layah was saying,

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Speaker 1: we were talking earlier about how Al Sharpton is at

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Speaker 1: these things. He's always at these things, and most of

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Speaker 1: us are like, what are you dumb job? And lat

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Speaker 1: hit hit us with it, hit us with it? Would

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Speaker 1: you would you say? Yeah? Well, I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we had a we had Alice and gustrowing questions Apreme

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Speaker 1: the things that all of us blacks me thinking like

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Speaker 1: what do you really do? And he was saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: the cameras, he said, people think that I chase the cameras,

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Speaker 1: but you know that if I didn't go, they wouldn't come.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of times families call me because they

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Speaker 1: want attention made to what's going on, to what happened

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Speaker 1: to their loved ones. And then he acts kind of

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Speaker 1: like as a representative of us, right, he goes there,

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Speaker 1: he loves on them. I don't know if you watch

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Speaker 1: what he did at Tyrese's funeral, but he serves as us.

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Speaker 1: He loves on the family. He makes sure y'all know

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Speaker 1: that I'm here today and I will be here tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Like he continues to bring these things up. So he

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Speaker 1: has a purpose, but it may not be with y'all think,

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Speaker 1: and I think that everybody doesn't understand activism in that way,

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Speaker 1: and that it's a formula and a plan in different pieces.

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Speaker 1: Just like you said, this tree, it's a tree, just

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Speaker 1: like Ben Crump. Ben Crump is a part of this tree, right,

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Speaker 1: and so now Ben Crump is a man who because

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Speaker 1: we can't get these officers process hute it like they

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Speaker 1: Ben Cropp is going to get money for these families

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Speaker 1: that have lost their loved ones. That's what he's doing,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna know what's going on, and that's what

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Speaker 1: much easier it is to clean your to clean your

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Speaker 1: a leader does is delegate authority. Yeah, so you give

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Speaker 1: stay off. Things that are done are typically done in

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Speaker 1: I okay, more real talk after the break. But I

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Speaker 1: think there's a misunderstanding. I think in general, the way

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Speaker 1: how we as Africans just operate, and we operated that

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Speaker 1: who can who can really and and be all. They're

427
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: easy to find, are they. So there's always somebody organizing

428
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: in your community always, And we got the Google now,

429
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: so there is always somebody organizing. So that's a step.

430
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: That's a step running an organizer locally. Okay. Yeah, we're

431
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break and then we'll be right back. Okay,

432
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: I want to hear my list. My list number one

433
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: free healthcare to free college. Three fully funded public schooling,

434
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: for abolition of prisons, police with the investment in community healing,

435
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: housing and employment. Five comprehensive recovery plan for the pandemic,

436
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: and six reparations that's why I live in California because

437
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: that last one on your list. You know, it's funny.

438
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: I was talking to a group of DC people the

439
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: other day and it was like, I mean, y'all ain't

440
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: gonna get nothing about that reparations. I said, you know

441
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: what the point is that my governor started the process, right,

442
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: and you live in a black city with the bush

443
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: mayor with okay, and you still being taxed and you're

444
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: not even without being a state who So I'm gonna

445
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: need you to leave my governor newsom we over here

446
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: with the Crown Act. Okay, all right, Okay, I love DC.

447
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: That's my that's oh yeah, no, no, no, no, all

448
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: day every day, I don't think every day. You can

449
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: check your boob, you can check your book. Yeah yeah.

450
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: So you find the tree that irks you sold the

451
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: most in the garden of injustice, and then you find

452
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: an organizer, okay, or or you become one you or

453
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: you become one. Hey. Now, so you have a specific reason,

454
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 1: um that you don't like this thing whatever that uh

455
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: injustices um, and you the organizer and yourself, I'm just

456
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing shit out here, y'all. Listen, it's organizations,

457
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: it's people doing work. Always if you want to do work,

458
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: I firmly believe it's only about you deciding to do work. Yeah,

459
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: but it's so much easier to just go to my

460
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: Instagram and just like repos ahead that I can really

461
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: just says, I don't know, y'all. Sometimes I feel like

462
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: we're hard on each other about that. I know I'm

463
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: us like, oh, y'all just posting and I don't know.

464
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, y'all. I feel like social media my

465
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: retort is actually to the people who comes out. It

466
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: has helped. It definitely does. It's a part of it's

467
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: another part of that process. I was making a bad

468
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: joke for the people who actually attack people that in

469
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: these streets doing these things, you know what I'm saying,

470
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: Like the ones who ain't in the streets doing these things,

471
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: and you just posing. That's what I do because I

472
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: know I'm not in the streets like I should be.

473
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: Can you ride out? You know what I'm saying, I'm

474
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: seeing that every little thing. Um, I'm won't say every

475
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: little thing, but all the little things add up. If

476
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: you're trying to, you know, uproot a tree, So you

477
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: need someone that's going to organize all the things right.

478
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: And then you have to find specific people who want

479
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: the same thing. They want this tree up rooted, find

480
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: specific people to do specific things for the bigger picture.

481
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 1: So I would say the organizer would have the biggest picture,

482
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: I guess, or the organizers I think they always do.

483
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: But I think I think they always do. Here's here's

484
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: the thing I want to keep in mind again, and

485
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: this is not to confuse further confuse a very you know,

486
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: complex situation any further, but I do want us to

487
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: keep this part in mind. All Black people are not

488
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: the same. All black people don't think the same, and

489
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: this will show itself up in organizing spaces if you

490
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: really talk to organizers, which we should have somebody on

491
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: here who really does this work. But in organizing spaces,

492
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: I've heard different people vent about even in spaces that

493
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: are dedicated to liberation have to be checked, vetted and

494
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: rework sometimes, you know what I'm saying. So even in

495
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: those spaces, to romanticize the organizing spaces is important not

496
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: to do that because even in those spaces it will

497
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: not be perfect because we're all dealing with the constant

498
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: onslide of what these systems do to us, and so

499
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: there will be people who look at it like this

500
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: is what we should do, and then you go on

501
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: this other side. A good friend of mine and he's

502
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: been on the show, Josh Meyers posted the other day

503
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: a letter from Carter G. Woodson, who turn down an

504
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: opportunity to work with w eb D Boys and yes

505
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: because some of his work at the time was being

506
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: heavily funded by white people. Oh yeah, I remember it

507
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: was like the original b So this is important. This

508
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: is so important for us that our ancestors didn't always agree.

509
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Malcolm and Martin Hello, you know, I mean, but it's

510
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: it exists and it's dalid. You know, they didn't always

511
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: agree be but you know, the attempts, the ongoing strategy,

512
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: the willingness to grow and evolve. Our leaders evolved in

513
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: their lives. A twenty five year old w eb D

514
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: Boys is not an eighty year old e w Ebdu Boys.

515
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: You can't quote a twenty year old or twenty five

516
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: year old D Boys and think that you'd have said

517
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: something without then knowing and understanding his thinking in his

518
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: politics fifty years later, which is quite different. Same for Malcolm,

519
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: same for Martin just shorter lives sounds like a counsel

520
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: of ethics, and that council of ethics would have to

521
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: be multi generational. Hum to not overmind the situation, but

522
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: keep in mind, because you're not easy, we can get

523
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: off track. Yeah, it's keep in mind the keep in

524
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: mind the focus of this thing. It's like something else

525
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: is gonna come up. We're like, you know, people have

526
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: hdh D. Sorry sorry sorry, probably I probably I gotta

527
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: be because you know squirrel. Um, So like oh look,

528
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: oh there's bird flag? Would you say? You know, I'm

529
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm very much an artist in that way too. So like, okay,

530
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: so you need an organizer or organizers, you need someone

531
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: a council of ethics that could be three people or

532
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: or you know, I think three is a good number, um,

533
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: because it's it keeps it pretty simple, keeps it simple. Um.

534
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: I think that that all three would have to agree,

535
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like if we trust them,

536
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: then all three would have to agree of our whole

537
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: break race or is this it locally? Each I'm safety

538
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: each tree, each tree, each issue, each issue, each thing,

539
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing that gets on your soul.

540
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: If I guess you so much that you want to

541
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: put your energy into destroying that thing and destroying that

542
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: particular that tree right there. Okay, so you need some

543
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: organizers and you need a council of ethics. I feel

544
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: like I honestly, I ain't gonna lie to you. I

545
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: just think the world is I think organizers are like

546
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: apples on the tree. There's so many people out here

547
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: doing work. Yeah, they're easy to find, Yeah, they're easy

548
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: to your point about I'm not saying I'm just saying that, yeah, yeah,

549
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: I know. I'm not saying that that they don't exist.

550
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying that if you're listening or within listening ears

551
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: and it's something that's really troubling your soul about a

552
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: particular thing, you go and find and be of service,

553
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: do the thing you might be. You might be the

554
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, the ant that's that's dropping in you know, poison.

555
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm just saying, you know, it

556
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: takes it takes an army of ants, you know, to

557
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: to create a colony. You know now that if you

558
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: get rid of one, it doesn't mean that the train

559
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: of ants is gonna stop moving. You know. It's like

560
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: we've play so much, so much weight on a leader,

561
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: and the weight is like, you can't have any flaw,

562
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: laws or faults, you can't be a human. You have

563
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: to you got you remember and you know you're not.

564
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: You don't have space. So the whole leader thing is

565
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: is is not going to work. It is to me,

566
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: I really feel like it's more of a council, a

567
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: tribunal of you know, a group of people that don't

568
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: like this particular injustice and some say we have that.

569
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: We are just trying to tell anybody within listening ears

570
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: who is not found a thing, you know, a found

571
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: a thing to be a part of it really is community,

572
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: then find the thing. Come on if you're right. I

573
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: mean also to like um, what I think like you

574
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: might be referring to is you remember um. At the

575
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: height of BLM Black Lives Matter movement, there was a

576
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: lot of critique around it for not having a centralized

577
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: leadership and the fact that really what it was at

578
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: the end of the jay was a rallying cry and

579
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: then was forced into becoming an organization. And one of

580
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: the things that it was in terms of it's it's

581
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: kind of rushed into that space was saying we're not

582
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: having centralized leadership. This is about people kind of taking

583
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: this overall rally and cry in these points and making

584
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: it happen locally in their own spaces. And but now

585
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: to do right now we do? It's at least three

586
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: people who claim to be like along with Patrice Colors,

587
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: there were the founders, right, but I think they were

588
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: the founders. But you know, there's, like I said, they

589
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: came under fire for not having this kind of you know,

590
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: centralized leadership. So we do have to work on ourselves.

591
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I found that

592
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: the process that I go through sometimes is making sure

593
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: that I'm not in my own way. You know. Sometimes

594
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: there's always this feeling like I might be dragging some

595
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: sort of kind of outdated thinking or some thinking that's

596
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: blocking me from being a real service to people in

597
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: the spaces that I want to take up because of

598
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: my way of thinking. If I'm a person who feels

599
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: really you know, invested in that kind of leadership, and

600
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: it's not there, and it is deeply communal because even

601
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: we can look at like, you know, I guess our

602
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of our indigenous brothers and sisters, and how the

603
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: different kind of Native nations worked. Some of them were

604
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: were power was spread out amongst people differently. Sometimes leadership

605
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: had to come through the woman's lineage. So there's lots

606
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: of ways to Skinner can't feel. But you know, I

607
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: just like try to keep mind I'm not dragging anything

608
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: into the space that's going to keep us from moving forward,

609
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: just because I'm just really focused on it happen to

610
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: be a certain kind of way, you know, Like for example,

611
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some spaces that people feel like leadership

612
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: has to be male or you know what I'm saying.

613
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: You know, our religious spaces used to be really centralized

614
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: for where we would be working on these issues. Yeah,

615
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: and in some churches and still to this day, women

616
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: are not allowed to be in leadership. So you find

617
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: an organization or something that you believe in, but the

618
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: leadership is not there. You have you, I guess you

619
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: have a choice. You can continue to follow it and

620
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: see where it's going. And if if you don't like

621
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: where it's going, either talk to the people around you,

622
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: I suppose, or find something else to do. It's always something,

623
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: it's always something has something else to do, It's always

624
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: something else. I'm like I was sitting here looking. I'm like,

625
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: let me see what the National ash and network got

626
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: going on on their little things some resources, Like I'm

627
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: not checking it because I'm not checking it. I'm not

628
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: checking it daily. No, I'm not checking it daily. I

629
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: literally this is the first time I've ever been here.

630
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: I was like, to your city council meetings, Do y'all

631
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: go to those? I say, some meetings that become national news.

632
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I definitely need to, But now I

633
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: haven't gone yet. Yeah, I'm saying I will get into

634
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: a book and to two point two seconds, but I

635
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: don't I should go. I'm just trying to get it.

636
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: We're all we've all got issues and pass and stuff.

637
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: We all have stuff, and I feel like sometimes the

638
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: stuff gets put in front of the forward movement. And

639
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: I know, like we were talking a lot of people

640
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: we were talked earlier about assholes now and how at

641
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: some point you got to realize that you're an asshole. Yeah,

642
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: and you had that point have a choice to continue

643
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: being an asshole or you could go to therapy figure

644
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: out why you are like this because it doesn't serve

645
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: anything or doesn't serve anyone. For it's greater good. Yeah,

646
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm talking about. Like when you're following

647
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: a particular path because you think that that it's going

648
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: to lead you somewhere. But you've been doing this thing,

649
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: the same thing for twenty years and nothing is happening,

650
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: nothing is happening. Then you have an obligation, I would think,

651
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: to yourself to make a different choice, to go a

652
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: different path. And we easily like this is just from

653
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: my perspective, and I've seen it in myself. I will

654
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: leave the thing and go to the thing that's just

655
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: like the last thing. It's been a big deal that

656
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: I left the thing, but I left the thing for

657
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: the for the almost damn near the last thing in

658
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: the same skin. Yeah, you know. But that's why the

659
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: self awareness piece is important. Like we talked about it

660
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: at the top of this conversation, like what are you

661
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: doing to um, like decolonize the self first? You know,

662
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: like what are you? What are you doing? You know

663
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: that that's really important word and sometimes can end up

664
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: being your singular work. Okay, So let's just sometimes that

665
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: can be your work. That's hard work for us, and

666
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: for us it's important because we have a platform. So

667
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: the moment that we work on decolonizing ourselves and we

668
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: start talking and using that platform and we're putting that

669
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: kind of messaging out that makes the work, the self

670
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: work that we do that more impactful. Man. Okay, So

671
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: just imagine you've got a group of people who are

672
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: thinking along the same lines, trying to get rid of

673
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: this particular tree, right, a particular one, and then they

674
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: have people come in for just I'm just saying, like

675
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: a meeting or something. I don't know what to call

676
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 1: the thing, but they have someone come in to talk

677
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: about decolonizing your mentality, like continuously fueling. So because anybody

678
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: and everybody can get lost, it's so easy to do

679
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: very and essentially they already are lost. So there's a

680
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: level of education that has to be provided and options

681
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: provide it because we're all just people, right of course. Yep,

682
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I don't know if anybody's taking notes. I'm sorry,

683
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm feeling this shit. Okay, So you need an organizer

684
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: of ethics, you know, a different generation of people. I'm

685
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: just there's many ways to do this thing. I just

686
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: I just want and um encourage you. I love that

687
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: your mind is circle back to solution based thinking you know.

688
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: And and again, if you're organizing, you're listening to this

689
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: and you're thinking like, bless bless their hearts. I love it.

690
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: I love that because everybody has to start in a

691
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: space of newness, in that place where it is like

692
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: if you're moving into a different way of thinking in

693
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: your mind, you know, and you have access to other people,

694
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: it is your journey is as important as somebody who

695
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: may be a little bit further down down the road.

696
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because who you are in

697
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: the circle of people that you're in is that's that's

698
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: a group of important people will come out of that

699
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: group can be life changing, transformative. Even so, you can't

700
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: don't underestimate where you are in this process, you know

701
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If this is something that you're not

702
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: if this is something that we're talking about right now,

703
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh, I'm so above this, I'm

704
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: beyond this. I've already I've been doing this twenty five

705
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: thirty years. Fool. If you've never thought about it before. Cool.

706
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: Everybody is kind of like in a different space in

707
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: that journey and that's okay, And that the moment that

708
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: you start thinking about it. The moment you start really

709
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: working out in your head, you are already changing the room.

710
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: You're already changing the space, You're already impacting the people

711
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: around you. I just, I really am a firm believer

712
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: in that because I'm just you know, I find a

713
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of liberation and being the dummy in the room.

714
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't like being the person in the room that

715
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: knows the most. I want to be the person in

716
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: the moom that knows the least because I want to

717
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: learn something. When I leave, I want to be enlightened.

718
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And I mean ultimately, that's

719
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: why I enjoy talking to you guys, because when I

720
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: walk away from it, I'm like, yeah, we do that

721
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: for you girls. Shut up. I'm like you just say

722
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: I thought she was the one doing it, Okay, No,

723
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: and you know better and you do it for me,

724
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: like yeah, and you know, I know, I know. More

725
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: conversation after the break, everybody is really gifted and thoughtful

726
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: about what's happening, you know, around us, and we are

727
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: formula as well, ladies. So we are formula as well

728
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: when we talk about you know, activism and how everybody

729
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: serves a different I feel like, that's us too. We

730
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: are are voltron, right, It's like voltron basically that's what

731
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: that's what it takes. It takes ron, it takes kind

732
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: of so so anybody exactly listening this is this is

733
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: just to get you excited. If you've already been active,

734
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: and you've already been working on changing the system, and

735
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you feel tired, maybe you do need

736
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: to take a break, Maybe you need to need a

737
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: moment ago and and get in some hot springs and okay,

738
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: huh and the nature the rest of us need to

739
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: tap in the yeah, because people are exhausted, Jill, They

740
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: really are. I saw an interview with Angela Davis and

741
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: she talked about they ain't know nothing about no self

742
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: care as active and during their time has a very

743
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: new concept. But I'm gonna tell you something something I

744
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: have really learned by watching just on the outside looking in,

745
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: watching some of the work around like mutual Aid within

746
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community. It is inspiring because it's a keepist, simple,

747
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: stupid thing. You know what I mean. You know what

748
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, who is in need, who has something to

749
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: give to who is in need? But more than anything

750
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: is what are the needs of those who are around you?

751
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: What are your needs? And what are the needs of

752
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: those around you who have less? Who have less? Uh,

753
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, accessibility to things or whatever the case may be.

754
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: I follow a guy Instagram and literally his entire account

755
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: is mutual aid requests. I think that's powerful is that

756
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: his name is Freedom John. Now, what is mutual aid

757
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: alone aid? And it's basically it's it's it's some regular

758
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: church community shit. So and so gotta move and they

759
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: got three kids and they gotta move. They about to

760
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: get kicked out their apartment. They need money to move.

761
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: All right, cool? Who got what? We're gonna drop off

762
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: an envelope? You remember the envelope like the Red Parties, Like, yes,

763
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: mutual aide. It is this black woman's opinion that that

764
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: is a time it is is though that So it's

765
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: like go fund me like a new mutual aid. People

766
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: use it as so fund me is mutual aide. It's

767
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: been demonized because of different things that have happened, you know,

768
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: and people feel like, ex what, people are lazy or

769
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: they're not doing what they're supposed to do when they

770
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: just depend on go fund me. And I'm not saying

771
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: it ain't no people out there that's you know, less

772
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: than kosher about what they're trying to do. However, the

773
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: idea of community giving and community support is not new.

774
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: It's super super you know, you know, you've been doing

775
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: it for a long time, and you know again it

776
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: helps us to make it bite sized. What we like

777
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: at Jadi L Yes we do. We like a bite

778
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: size okay, and it's bite size. It's a bite size

779
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, response and an immediate and direct response to need.

780
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: And it's not the only thing you do again, multi

781
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: tiered shit is the way we have always operated. This

782
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: is our actual history. I'm not, you know, reinventing any

783
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: wheels here. This is something our ancestors have done never.

784
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: We always didn't have the names for these things. It's

785
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: so funny now today we have the verbiage for it,

786
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: like we have the name. It's a thing, you know, trauma.

787
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: It's not funny, is there funny at all? Because that's

788
00:49:52,840 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: what happens when somebody steals your language income jail. I'm

789
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: just saying, I chance for my lemon water. That's what happens.

790
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: Sound like the spirit of Stephanie Mills, just jail. Imagine

791
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: imagine that I could I could call across a room,

792
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, or or across a yard or across a field,

793
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: and and um say a word that not only takes

794
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: you to a place mentally, that takes you to a

795
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: feeling that gives you a strength and remind you who

796
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, you're not allowed to say anything. Don't

797
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: speak your language, kill you. No, that's why we now.

798
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: All we have left is our our mmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm mmmmmmmmmmmm

799
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: mmmm that's what we gotta left, and we're bad. We

800
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: could look at that, all of that, all of that, Yeah,

801
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: and we and see strangers when women who are strangers

802
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: to you doing it, and you know what's going on,

803
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: so maybe we just Yeah, that was a moment. I

804
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: just realized we still have that powerful. It made me

805
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: happy to feel that. It's a little joy. That's us.

806
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: That's what we do. You're talking about people who truly

807
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: take absolutely nothing and just create. That's that's We're very

808
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: powerful people. And when we focus, we may not get

809
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: everything that we want to get done on our lists.

810
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: You know, we might not be able to check everything.

811
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: But go on and check something. It'll feel good. And

812
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he might want to check something else, and

813
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: then something else. I'm going to a meet me. You

814
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: are powerful and when you and when you decide, you

815
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: make a decision. Man o man. I would just want

816
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: to say thank you to everybody who is um making

817
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: strides and using whatever acts, whatever saw, whatever's knife, whatever sin,

818
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: whatever pencil, toe, nail clip, whatever it is that you're

819
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: doing to cut down the tree. Thank you, thank you,

820
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: thank you so much. And for anybody who hasn't decided

821
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: on what tree they want to tear down, just know

822
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: that when you do go for it, go hard in

823
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: the paint. And sometimes that means those things that you

824
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: do hard in the paint won't be noticed, not yet,

825
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: not yet. But when you do good, you get good.

826
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: That's my firm opinion. Like a paver, Papa takes part.

827
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: Maybe when it's like you know Martins said it, I

828
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: may not get there with you, m but the thing

829
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: is that I'm responsible for this section of road. I'm

830
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: putting down these ten pavers. This is my part and

831
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: my section, and I want to do my work. Yeah,

832
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, when you're like if I could just get one,

833
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: I can just get one, you know, I just be

834
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: feeling in a pothole, boo. But that's cool too, that's activism.

835
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: Get the pothhole field saving cards one day at a time,

836
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: especially in a rough neighborhood, and try and kill your car.

837
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: What is that? Boom? The whole bottom mouth? Damn. You

838
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: should like together if you want me to get anywhere?

839
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: Huh pick continue for me to pay for this insurance.

840
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: Stop it anyway, y'all we were half on and half

841
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: off topic and it goes down just like that. We

842
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: are having conversations to spark conversation and action not only

843
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: in your lives but in ours as well. And thank

844
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: my sisters. Can I can I interrupt you real quick

845
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: to just say I also want to thank our listeners

846
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: who stop us in the streets to tell us that

847
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: they are listening. I'm getting more more those lately. And

848
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: shout us to Breeze, who is one of our long

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Speaker 1: just a really easy place to start is with ourselves

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Speaker 1: to go deeper. I want to leave you with two articles,

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Speaker 1: of those in the show notes below. Hi. If you

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