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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another installment of the Inside the Draft podcast here

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Speaker 1: on the Colts Audio Network. I'm Matt Taylor. Always good

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Speaker 1: to be with you inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry

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Speaker 1: Radio Studio, and the Draft series here is with you

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Speaker 1: every week in the months of March and April, taking

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Speaker 1: you all the way up to the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. The Colts have the fourteenth overall pick and

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Speaker 1: round number one, and currently have a selection in all

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Speaker 1: seven rounds of the draft this year. By the way,

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Speaker 1: all thirty two teams in the NFL as of right

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Speaker 1: now have their first round pick for the upcoming draft.

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Speaker 1: If every team drafts a player, it'll be the first

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Speaker 1: time in the thirty two team NFL era dating back

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Speaker 1: to two thousand and two, that every team used a

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Speaker 1: first round pick. Now, where are the answers of that happening?

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Speaker 1: Not good? There's always some wheeling in dealing and a

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Speaker 1: lot of excitement on draft night. But we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: As The draft is set to start Thursday, April twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: and it runs until Saturday, the twenty sixth. Today, we're

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Speaker 1: bringing you another top notch NFL draft expert, and it's

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Speaker 1: our annual visit with Charlie Campbell, NFL Draft insider from

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Speaker 1: walterfootball dot com. He's one of the most accurate mock

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Speaker 1: drafters in the business. He's been doing it a long time.

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Speaker 1: He knows what he's talking about. And he sat down

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Speaker 1: with myself and Jeffrey Gorman and talked about the intrigue

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Speaker 1: among the top picks in the draft, the tight end

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Speaker 1: depth in the early rounds as that pertains to the

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Speaker 1: Colts interest, and what the free agency moves the Colts

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Speaker 1: have made, what those have done to impact the Colts

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Speaker 1: Inside the Draft continues this week with Charlie Campbell from

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Speaker 1: Walterfootball dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Time to say hello to draft analyst at Walter Football.

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Speaker 2: He led all NFL media for Mockdraft Act recy in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, twenty twenty two, twenty nineteen, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: second place in twenty twenty one. They're great, Charlie Campbell

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Speaker 2: joins us, How are you, Charlie.

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Speaker 3: I'm great. How are you guys doing today.

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Speaker 2: I love it this time of year. That's why we

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Speaker 2: got you on the horn. Let's start off with the draft.

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Speaker 2: I ask you this every year, there are thirty two

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Speaker 2: picks in the first round. Charlie Campbell, how many true

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Speaker 2: first rounders are in this year's NFL draft?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, that's a great question.

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Speaker 4: I mean in this in this draft, it's very unique

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Speaker 4: in that it doesn't have like say a set top

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Speaker 4: Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter teams really don't see this

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Speaker 4: as as an elite as having a lot of elite.

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Speaker 3: Talent in the draft.

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Speaker 4: So, but it does have good depth, and it has

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Speaker 4: some good depth at a variety of positions defensive line,

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Speaker 4: running back. So overall, I would say this draft has

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Speaker 4: maybe about twenty true true first round picks, maybe give

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Speaker 4: put it at around rough number, I would say about twenty.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Charlie tight End apparently is kind of rich in this draft,

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Speaker 2: and the Colts water cooler. General managers around town are

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Speaker 2: saying that a tight end, a young tight end in

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Speaker 2: this offense would fit. What do you look at in

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Speaker 2: the first round. I know there's a couple of guys

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, the first round has kind of a

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Speaker 4: But then on Day two, I think there's some really

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Speaker 4: Some other mid round value guys like Mitchell Evans from

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Speaker 1: Charlie Campbell with US draft staple with us this time

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Speaker 1: of year every year. So Charlie picking up there in

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Speaker 1: terms of the tight ends, You've got the early round

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Speaker 1: But you also have the mid round talent at tight

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Speaker 4: So I think that would be a great strategy for

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Speaker 1: All right, so you've got the Colts in your latest

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Speaker 4: so let's get some mileage out of that talented guy

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Speaker 4: And Booker is a great character, great leader, really known

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Speaker 2: Charlie, let's talk some defensive linemen, interior lineman. And also

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Speaker 3: I do. I think that obviously defensive.

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Speaker 4: well that I think are going to be really good

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Speaker 4: strongest position in this draft, of edging out running back slightly,

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Speaker 4: but running backs really good. As you said, tight ends

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Speaker 4: on defensive lineman and that in those top sixty four picks,

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Speaker 1: All right, Charlie. The Colts brought in Cameron Binam and

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Speaker 1: Sharvarius Ward and free agency, and those guys look like

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Speaker 1: strong candidates to start in the new lou Anroumo defensive secondary.

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Speaker 1: And you know, maybe you could argue with those additions

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Speaker 1: to the team that secondary cornerback and safety not as

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Speaker 1: as maybe it was a couple of weeks ago. But

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Speaker 1: they do need depth. So what is the depth that

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Speaker 1: Starters staying on defense there, Charlie linebacker, the Colts could

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Speaker 1: They always draft that position. Well, like you said, under

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Day two, I think there'll be some really nice

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Speaker 2: That is Charlie Campbell. You got to follow him on

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Speaker 2: Twitter x at Draft Campbell. He's the best in the business.

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Speaker 2: You like mock drafts while he is a champion in

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Speaker 2: that regard, Charlie. Last one for me is I want

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think this was a tremendous signing. I think

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Speaker 4: Forced him into doing some things that aren't necessarily a

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Speaker 4: I think he's he's got a lot of upside. Still,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the mindset here for sure. Hey, last one

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Speaker 4: But to think that he can hold up playing, you know,

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Speaker 2: for all the insight. We got a little bit smarter today, Charlie.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. And let's compare some notes after the upcoming draft.

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Speaker 2: What do you.

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Speaker 3: Say that sounds great? Thank you guys so much. Thank

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