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Speaker 1: then I had a fan reach out on instant he

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm a pastor and a religious authority and

425
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: I approved that sticker. So that's like a ringing in

426
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: dar right there. So I like the one guy who

427
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 1: wrote in and said, uh, you know, you guys have

428
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: to get an actual Catholic to do the art on that,

429
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Speaker 1: otherwise I'm going to be offended. I thought that was

430
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty funny. Well, if anybody out

431
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 1: there is a nun or a deacon that happens to

432
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Speaker 1: be crafty, crafty with sharpie, I'm sure you're I'm sure

433
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: you're listening to Bent and you write in so I

434
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Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see see if we can make that work.

435
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: I hope. So, I hope it comes together. And Uh.

436
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: In the meantime, we have some some actual business to

437
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: attend to, because it is time for fish News. Just

438
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: so you're all aware, this is a competition. Joe and

439
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: I do not know what stories the other person is bringing,

440
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: and we are competing for I would say the adoration

441
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 1: of our our Caesar, shall we call him the audio Engineer? Uh?

442
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: This week, Joe is up first. Uh. And then I'm

443
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna back clean up. So what do you got, Joe? Yeah,

444
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: So a bunch of you find folks forward to this

445
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: story along, and I thank you for that because it's

446
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: giving me a reason to ship on trolling, which we

447
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,479
Speaker 1: all know is something I really enjoy personally. Um. And

448
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: by now, I'm sure a lot of you have caught

449
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: wind of the ne State record King Salmon caught in Michigan.

450
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: But seriously, I don't think I've ever gotten this much

451
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: of a kick out of a state record story before. Okay,

452
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: so here's what happened, and we're gonna we're gonna reverse

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Speaker 1: engineer a little bit, all right. So on Saturday August seven,

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Speaker 1: nineteen year old Louise Martinez boarded ice breaker Charters in Luddington, Michigan,

455
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: with his family. By seven thirty am, Louise had put

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Speaker 1: a forty seven point eight six pound king salmon on deck,

457
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: breaking the previous state record of forty six point zero

458
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Speaker 1: six pounds, which had stood since nineteen seventy eight. A right,

459
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: so old record, right, yeah, like double his eight Yeah,

460
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: exactly right. So this catch, of course just totally thrilled

461
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: d n R. Because the fish was in really great shape, right,

462
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: They got great samples from it to study, and according

463
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: to those guys in the story, like this really says

464
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: some pretty positive good things about the hell of the

465
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: salmon population in Lake Michigan, and in particular their food source.

466
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: Right to grow in that big they gotta be eating good.

467
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: So it was it was like sort of all positive

468
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: this catch, right. So those are those are the basic facts.

469
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: But what makes this story awesome. Is Louise himself right?

470
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: The first time the kid ever bought a fishing license

471
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: was the night before this trip, Okay, so he did

472
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: not angle, and the story says that this was the

473
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: first time he was ever salmon fishing. But I think

474
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: there's like some miscommunication here because I wouldn't be surprised

475
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: based on how they're playing up that that he only

476
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: bought the license the night before this might have been

477
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: his first time fishing period. So there's a little conflict

478
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: in there, but regards maybe like he went when he

479
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: was a kid before he had to biolys could be yes, right,

480
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Speaker 1: So he just bought this license Friday night on the

481
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Speaker 1: boat Saturday. So in the shot back of the dock,

482
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Speaker 1: which I'll post in my Instagram story this week, Luise

483
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: looks like he could kind of not give a shit, okay,

484
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: And dare I say, like, be happier in front of

485
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: a computer with a headset on than fishing. Now, listen

486
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: before you jump on me and say, well that's not fair. Okay.

487
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: Here are some quotes from Louise from the story. Okay,

488
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: first one ringer, I honestly fell asleep the whole way

489
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: until my mom said, you're up, and I was like what.

490
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: They handed me the fishing pole. Fishing pole, and I

491
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: started reeling the thing in. So that was the first one.

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00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: Right away. I was like, oh, he was sleeping. They

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00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: were trolling. There we go next quote. The first ten

494
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: minutes were tiring. My arms were sore. I was ready

495
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: to give up, but my mom was yelling, don't give up.

496
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: Keep reeling it in. Right, Okay, these are yeah, and

497
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: then here comes the clincher. The fish started to jump

498
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: out of the water. You could see it, and they

499
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: were like excited because it was huge. I was like,

500
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: it's just a fish. There's nothing special about it. At

501
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: least that's what I thought. So people people are comparing

502
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: this to winning the lottery, which I get and I

503
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: would say is accurate. Right, you bought a license to

504
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: night before you go out on a boat and like

505
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: bang state record King. I just think it's funny because

506
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: like the gravity of the situation, I think is is

507
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: really kind of lost on him, you know what I mean.

508
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, cool, okay, Like I don't know,

509
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: imagine fish, Yeah, Like I imagine that this is how

510
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: like Phil would behave in this situation and I mean

511
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: like impossible to wake up that morning, like I don't

512
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: want to go fishing, sleeping in the wagon Queen family truck,

513
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: stir on the way to the dock, and then just

514
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: curling up on the bench seat of the boat and

515
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: going back to sleep. Um anyway, So final thought for debate,

516
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: because this story illustrates something I've always thought very well. Right, So,

517
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the person and who should get credit

518
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: for breaking the forty three year old record is the

519
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: captain of the boat, not the guy that reeled it in.

520
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: Because in trolling scenarios, especially like this, where clients are

521
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: just being handed the rod, the boat is catching the fish,

522
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: the captain is finding the fish and choosing the lords.

523
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: And personally, like I rag on trolling all the time.

524
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't ever do it, but the

525
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: only time I feel like I'm part of the victory

526
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: when trolling is when I'm actively working and like setting

527
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: that spread like intuna trolling, I want to be dirty

528
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: and you know, rigging the vally who and deciding how

529
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: far back this will go and how far back that

530
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: will go, so that when something gets bit like you

531
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: feel like your intuition and knowledge helped make that happen, right,

532
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: But just recently so where we were filming dost Boat

533
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: in Ohio with my boy Ross Robertson, and he put

534
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: us on some really nice wall eyes he always does.

535
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: I credit him with the biggest walleye I ever reeled in,

536
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: was with him years ago, super dialed super out and

537
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: I appreciate that so much. But he he noticed that bite,

538
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he grabbed that rod, he

539
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: handed it to me. I reeled and followed instructions. You know,

540
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: so nice fish. But did I catch that fish? I

541
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: don't think I did. Like if that had been a

542
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: record fish Ross caught that fish. I just I just

543
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: reeled it in. So happened to be holding the rod,

544
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: and I just happened to the rod. So not taking

545
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: anything away from Luis, although maybe like a tiny bit

546
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: just because it's funny, because I don't think he wanted.

547
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he wanted to be there anyway, Okay,

548
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: But I mean I just always get a chuckle out

549
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: of these trolled records in a lot of these scenarios

550
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: because it's like, man, you just happen to be there,

551
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: It's exactly right. So we're just the warm body on

552
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: the crank that's correct, which which requires very little skill,

553
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: like maybe a little bit of endurance, Like, oh, you

554
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: had to reel it in for ten minutes. I'm so

555
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: sorry for you, but like there's no skill there. Yeah,

556
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, look, and I'm not taking away I mean

557
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: a forty seven pound king that's going to huge, right,

558
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: that's a huge king. But even then, I mean, when

559
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: you're in a charter boat scenario, you know you got

560
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: at least a captain maybe a mate too, doing the

561
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: same thing, telling you, like real slower, real faster, moving

562
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: over here, point your ride this way, do this, do that,

563
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: and as long as you were listening and following instructions,

564
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: chances are you're gonna land it, you know. So I

565
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: just think about that stuff when you know there's so

566
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: many guys out there they're like really chasing something that

567
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: would kill to be the guy that that has the state. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

568
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: So I think right now this is a great moment

569
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: for me to admit that I saw this story in

570
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: about eighty different places and I never read it. Oh

571
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: and and this was like, I'm so glad you did,

572
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: because I looked at that I was like, this is

573
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: there's nothing here, There's no there there, and I'm gonna

574
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: I know, I'm admitting that I'm wrong right now. I

575
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: want to apologize to all the listeners who sent it

576
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: to me, like, dude, you gotta check this out. And

577
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: I just made an assumption that was totally incorrect, that

578
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: this was not like record cool. Well do we skip

579
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: over a lot of record stories, a lot of roodcasts.

580
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: We do fish news. There's some kind of record horseshit

581
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: every week. Most of them is like guy went caught it,

582
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: and that's what I assumed. So when you never read it,

583
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: but I'm so glad you did, because this those quotes

584
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: were absolutely old, and I can only imagine. I haven't

585
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: dug into it, but I can only imagine the anger

586
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: and the victual and the fighting going on between people

587
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: who are like that kid didn't deserve that fish. I've

588
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: been drying my whole I can only imagine. And that's

589
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: what makes for a lot of our good banter. Right.

590
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about disagreements between anglers, or factis angling, right,

591
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: Like fishing culture just has all these layers of confrontation,

592
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: some of which are healthy and fun. Like our constant

593
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: good natured walleye bashing. Others are more annoying, like the

594
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: superiority complex that fly fish. It's even the ones who

595
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: suck like really cling to as an entity, and and

596
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: others are actually destructive, like the obnoxious social media battles.

597
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Right that we talked about that. But there's one thing

598
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: that brings most of us together. Dolphins. Just about everybody

599
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: loves a dolphin, and and why wouldn't you dolphins? You can,

600
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: you can go ahead and do that, but you're you're

601
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: in the minority because dolphins are like smart, curious. I'm

602
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: spending two US on gas and I'm off sure. I'm like,

603
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: there's ship busted everywhere there. I'm on the bow, I'm

604
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: on the pulpit, I'm out on the pulpit with a

605
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: popping rod, and it's like it's dolphins. God damn it. Anyway,

606
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, God, that's okay. You can have that opinion,

607
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: but you're a getting I think you will recognize that

608
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: you're in the minority. I mean, dolphins are like aquatic puppies.

609
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Just about everybody like, like, there are a few people

610
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: out there who hate puppies, and I think they're equal

611
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: to the dolphin. Haters. If I had to guess, I personally,

612
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't agree with you because I've seen I've seen

613
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: lots of dolphins in my life. I've swam with dolphins,

614
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: I've surfed with dolphins. I've I've watched them ride god

615
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: knows how many bow wakes. I've even had them steel

616
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: fish off my line, and they still make me happy

617
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: every single time. And I think that most people can

618
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: agree with that. Do you ever see one with your

619
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: kids on the beach and you're like, look, kids, there's

620
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: a dolphin but they don't ever see it because it's

621
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: only rolling every once in a while, and like it

622
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: goes from cute to like angry. I'm like, look right there,

623
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: keep looking, don't there was? Did you see it? And

624
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: they're like, now, I didn't see anything, Like just sorry,

625
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: you're getting me going on dolphins and he were. At

626
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: some point, We're gonna have to dig into your dolphin hate.

627
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: But I'm still confident that you were in the minority.

628
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: But I recently learned something about dolphins that I never

629
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: knew before. Are you familiar with mud ring feeding? Uh? Yes,

630
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: that's where they get up real shallow right different, But

631
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: we'll we'll cover we'll cover off on that one too,

632
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: like that's they're gonna rein. But I think of like

633
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: it's a tactic. They still okay exactly, And and and

634
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: dolphins have all kinds of creative and interesting feeding techniques.

635
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: They've come because they're smart. And I'm sure you've seen video.

636
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: And the one that you're talking about, uh, is called

637
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: strand feeding. Right when you get this whole group of

638
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: dolphins and they push bait fish upshallow and they actually

639
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: create their own bow wave that throws bait fish up

640
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: onto the sand, and then the dolphins throw themselves up

641
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: just enough on land to eat the fish, and then

642
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: they can kind of scoot back into the water. They

643
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: also do something called crater feeding, where they swim along

644
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: the bottom and they send out those sound waves in

645
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: order to echo locate. They can actually echo locate prey

646
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: that's hiding under the surface of the sand. And then

647
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: when they find when those hidden nuggets, they swim up

648
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: a little, they get ahead of team, and they plunge

649
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: their beaks down in the substrate and come up with

650
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: their snack, and they leave behind these big craters in

651
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: the bottom. Is why it's called creator feeding. They've also

652
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: got this other behavior with the the highly technical name

653
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: of quote fish whacking, where they use their flippers to

654
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: knock bait fish into the air and then spin back

655
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: around and consume the stun prey. But maybe the coolest

656
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: and most cooperative dolphin feeding behavior is mud ring feeding.

657
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: This is first observed in the Florida Keys and then

658
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: written up for the first time a few years later,

659
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: and it goes like this. A group of bottle nosed

660
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: dolphins finds a school of baitfish, almost always mullet, on

661
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: a shallow flat. One of the dolphins then starts swimming

662
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: rapidly in a wide circle, keeping its tail near the

663
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: bottom and kicking up a plume of mud. That dolphin

664
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: accelerates and closes the circle, and it creates like a

665
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: mud plume enclosure with the bait fish inside, and upon

666
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: being caught in what is essentially like a mud pen,

667
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: the bait fish try to escape by jumping out where

668
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: the pot of dolphins is waiting to catch them with

669
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: open mouths. It's pretty cool. It's it's definitely worth looking

670
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: up on YouTube the next time you're bored. I have

671
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: either seen this on Blue Planet or buil Dance saltwater.

672
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: It was one or the other, I don't remember. I

673
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: sure hope it was build out. But but here's how

674
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: this counts as as fish news actually newsy. Since this

675
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: feeding behavior was first recorded twenty two years ago, it's

676
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: only ever been seen in Florida. Dolphins are known to

677
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: have localized fishing tactics, certain behaviors that a group of

678
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: dolphins in one area figured out and then they passed

679
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: down through the generations, and mud ring feeding has up

680
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: until now, remained totally unique to the dolphins that are

681
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: in and around Florida, But researchers recently observed bottlenose dolphins

682
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: in Belize doing the same thing, and this appears to

683
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: be a totally new behavior for this population. Now, my

684
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: first assumption upon reading this was that some dolphin from Florida,

685
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: like got a wild hair, maybe gotten in some trouble

686
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: with its Floridian pod, and just bailed the belieze. But

687
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: it turns out I don't I don't know very much

688
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: about dolphins, because I was completely wrong. They don't do that.

689
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: They don't just bail out and go to a different Yet,

690
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: researchers hypothesized that the Belize dolphins figured out the strategy

691
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: on their own. They're not just biting the style of

692
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: their Florida cousins, like like high school kids from Michigan

693
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: after spring break. Since Belize has significant mud flat habitat

694
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: much like parts of Florida, it makes sense that the

695
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: dolphins might independently discover that they can crawl bait by

696
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: stirring at the mud in a circular motion. I for one,

697
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: am no fan of mullet when I'm flats fishing, and

698
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm hoping that dolphins worldwide start figuring out

699
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: how to just kill them on the flats, and that

700
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: I someday get to observe this phenomenon in person while

701
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm sidcasting to either tarpan or Jack's standing on a flat.

702
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: That's what I hope. Why the mullet hatred. What's wrong

703
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: with some mullets up on the flats? I mean, I

704
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: think you know as well. They're they're the most unpredictable,

705
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: neurotic fish out there, and you're you're stocking up on whatever,

706
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: like your jack's or your bone fish or whatever it is,

707
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, some mullets is like

708
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: it goes flying out of the water and spooks everything

709
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: within within the area, like the fish that you're just

710
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: trying to get up on for no reason. You didn't

711
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: do anything to that mullet. They just throw themselves out

712
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: of the out of the water for no reason, to

713
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: freak everything out. I I know that happens. I don't

714
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: know if that's ever happened to me specifically, because I

715
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, like bone fishing and stuff I've always

716
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: done in in like Abaco or Turks and Caicos, and

717
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: I feel like there were no mullet there on those flats.

718
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: That has happened to be more times than I can count.

719
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: But I mean seeing it in Louisiana where you're going

720
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: skinny for Red's and it's like, mullet, mullet, mullet, Oh

721
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: four hundred mullet just went into the sky. We need

722
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: to go over there over there. So I don't know,

723
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: I don't share the same hatred for mullet those dolphins.

724
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: You like mullet but hate dolphins. I think that that

725
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: puts you in a very unique category. No, I think

726
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a difference in what we do.

727
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: Like in the in the the the salt seen over here,

728
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: dolphins can either throw you off, like you'll burn some

729
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: gas chasing dolphins because you you just mayhem out in

730
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: the distance and you think it's stripers or whatever. Done that.

731
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: And I've also been in scenarios where like you're on

732
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: a good bunker pod and you know you're marking bass

733
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: or something underneath it, and the dolphin has just come

734
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: in and it's like, wow, that's done. Now, you know,

735
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: I've never had that happen. The other one, I've definitely

736
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: chased down dolphin thinking oh, something going on over there,

737
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: but I've never happened. I'll tell you. And I don't

738
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: know if you've experienced this, even though I know you've

739
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: been there. The scariest, meanest, most asshole dolphins are the

740
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: freshwater pink dolphin. But I also love them. I think

741
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: they're kind of amazing. I thought they were super neat

742
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: until I'm like, I just want to release this nice

743
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: peak hot bass that after all the fight and all

744
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: the fun it's given me, I just wanted to go

745
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: back to its home. And they you want to talk

746
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: about correlation between puppies and dolphins, those things were like dogs,

747
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: man Like, they would not go away. They were like

748
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: dogs begging at a dinner table. Almost the entire time,

749
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: there were one or two of those pink dolphins around

750
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: our boat and they would come take your hand off

751
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: at the wrist if you let them, like they were aggressive,

752
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: you let it, peacock go. I have video where we're like,

753
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: please please get back to the roots, SNAr a little fish,

754
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: and like just pink dolphins blowing them up out of

755
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: the water. So I have some of that video myself. Yeah, yeah,

756
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: so pink dolphins. Yeah, dolphins. Hey, let us know you

757
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: love them or hate him. I don't know. They're okay.

758
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: Even when I was a kid, Like, somebody give me

759
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: a shark coloring book and a dolphin and whales coloring book.

760
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want the dolphin and whales coloring.

761
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? I don't want that. What's wrong

762
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: with you? I have no transition whatsoever to this story.

763
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: I've been struggling to think on it. Uh, there's there's

764
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: no there's no clear connection. So I'm just gonna get

765
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: into it. Um. This one comes from the Banger Daily News,

766
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: uh main for those of you who don't know where

767
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: Banger is, and it sets up an interesting debate. Okay, So,

768
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: according to this story by Bob Mallard, Maine is poised

769
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: to receive four point five billion dollars from the Federal

770
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: American Rescue Plan designed to help states recover from losses

771
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: due to the COVID nineteen pandemic. Okay, Now, three point

772
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: two billion of that goes into COVID testing, vaccinations, unemployment

773
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: benefits like super COVID directly related things, Okay, But it

774
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: leaves an extra one point three billion sort of just

775
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: hanging out there, which can be used. According to the story, However,

776
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: Governor Janet Mills sees fit and she says she's gonna

777
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: put that money into the main Jobs Recovery plan to

778
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: help boost the economy. But she's already earmarked twenty million

779
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: of this taxpayer money to quote modernized to fish hatcheries

780
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: and install upgrades at all eight of the Department of

781
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: Inland Fisheries and Wildlife hatcheries. Right. So Mallard, who's is

782
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: pretty well known guide, outdoorsman and writer, right, he's been

783
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: around um, is asking is that really what we should

784
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: be doing with that money? And if so, is that

785
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: fair to the non fishing masses. Right? So, Mallard says

786
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: that the wildlife and Fisheries Department claims recreational fishing brings

787
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: million to the state economy annually. But then he did

788
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: other research with the Federal Reserve that shows Mains gross

789
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: state product was sixty six point two billion, And I'm

790
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: sorry for the numbers, but they have to be there.

791
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: It matters, right, And so what that means is that

792
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: recreational fishing represents less than one half of one per

793
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: cent of the total gross state product. So then Bob

794
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: goes on to say that there's a press release that

795
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: claims there were three licensed anglers in Maine, and that's

796
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: residents and non residents combined, but the real number was

797
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: more like two. If that's true, he says, if you

798
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: do of the math and look at Mains one three

799
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: million residents, less than fift percent held a license in

800
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: So what he thinks is that this is a reaction.

801
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: This this this money going to hatcheries is a reaction

802
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: to the bumping license sales in which a lot of

803
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: states saw, right, we don't need to beat that to death.

804
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: There were a lot more anglers out there, a lot

805
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: more licenses sold. Um. But he brings up the argument,

806
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: which is a fair one. I think he says like, hey,

807
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: can we bank on those people year after year, or

808
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: as the pandemic slowly fades out and people get back

809
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: to work in a little bit more normal life and

810
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: so on, will they be there Because twenty million is

811
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: a pretty big investment in like sort of an uncertain

812
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: future in that department. Right, So I'll wrap this up

813
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: with with a quote from the story, and this is

814
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: sort of drives his his his problem with all this

815
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: home Mallard Rights. Most disappointing was mills statement that hatcheries

816
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: were at the core of mains fisheries. This statement is misleading, dangerous,

817
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: and somewhat self serving because the state government does the stocking.

818
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: The idea that stocking is the most important component of

819
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: Maine's recreational fisheries completely ignores what Maine is best known for,

820
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: wild native fish. So to promote the stocking of hatchery

821
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: raised fish, many of which are non native over wild

822
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: native fish, including some found primarily or solely in Maine,

823
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: is a disservice. And we've certainly covered issues in Fish

824
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: News before with problems that Maine has had with non

825
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: native species. So I don't know, I grabbed this because,

826
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: like to some you could hear, oh, man, that's great,

827
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna put Main's gonna put all this money into

828
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: into fishing. But here's the guy who's pretty hard core angler,

829
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: pretty plugged in, and I actually see some of his points.

830
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: Is that the best use of that money? Right now,

831
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: I think I actually agree with him. I kind of

832
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: think I do too. Instead of hatcheries, if that money

833
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: had been earmarked for habitat restoration, right, I don't. I

834
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: think it would be an easier argument to support, Yeah,

835
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: because that has a broader based value for more citizens.

836
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: When you're talking about hatcheries, you're really just talking about

837
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: the people who want to go fishing and keep fishing, right,

838
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think that's a pretty salient

839
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: point the thing. And this is not not really germane

840
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: to your story. It's sort of a sidebar. But only

841
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: fient of Main residents hold a license. Shocking. That's according

842
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: that's according to his math. Yeah. I mean, I'm just

843
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: going by by his research and what stats he had

844
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: in the story. But I mean, regardless, I mean I

845
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: get the point that he's making. You know, a lot

846
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: of states make this claim, and it makes you wonder

847
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: what the government agency says oh, well, this state makes

848
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: so this much money off fishing per year. But do

849
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: you really know that? Is that inflated? Is that padded out?

850
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: You don't really know. But at face value, I mean

851
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: you see it in a press release like Maine to

852
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: spend twenty million on fishing, you know what I mean,

853
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: Like it's it's very easy. I think for some fishing

854
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: folks be like, oh, good for them, that's good. That's yeah,

855
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: stimulus money going doing the right things and the right stuff.

856
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: But when you really break it down, it's like, ah,

857
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're better. They could do better with that.

858
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: I think the same thing here with Jersey, like do

859
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: we need to redo all our fish hatcheries like they're

860
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: making fish and supporting what everybody needs for the stock

861
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: er season in the spring, Like that would would that

862
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: be the best use of similar money here? No, I

863
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: don't think it would. So just kind of puts a

864
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: different spin on some some Covidy stuff and it gets

865
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: I like, I like how he's thinking, I like how

866
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: he's questioning. Yeah, I know that sounds like a really

867
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: interesting piece. Um, I have zero connective tissue between that,

868
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: we had none. No, that's not my first transition was seamless. Okay,

869
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: it was. That was good. That was there. But I'm

870
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: just gonna follow up on something from previous Fish News.

871
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: That's what I'm about to do. I'm following up in

872
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: the story I told a few weeks ago about Josh Jorgensen,

873
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: also known as black tip h and the very large

874
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: tarpan that he caught in the Pacific. In that segment,

875
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: I said, I wanted to dig deeper into that population

876
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: of fish without having to cover questionable handling. World records

877
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: are angry. YouTube commentary Well, today, listener Ben Kurth sent

878
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: me some additional reading on the topic of tarban in

879
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: the Pacific. But before I get into that, let's do

880
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: a quick recap. Over the past few decades, anglers on

881
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: the Pacific side of southern Central America and northern South

882
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: America have been encountering tarpan, which initially caused quite a

883
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: stirb but is becoming more commonplace. The researchers know how

884
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: the fish got there. Some controversy remains over whether the

885
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: fish are migrants, if they're reproducing, and impact they're having

886
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: on the ecosystem. In the video, we talked about Jorgensen

887
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: and his guide refer to the tarpan they catch as

888
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: quote invasive, a loaded and possibly inaccurate term. I wanted

889
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: to dig in and better understand this population of fish

890
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: and what we do and don't know about them. When

891
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: anglers talk about tarpan, they're talking about Atlantic tarpan. There

892
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: is another species called Indo Pacific tarpan, but they're not

893
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 1: a primary sport fish and they don't get nearly as big.

894
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: Atlantic tarpin have historically been found in well, the Atlantic,

895
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: and they've been happily cruising around in that one ocean,

896
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: munching on baitfish and gulping air for about a hundred

897
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: and thirteen million years. Just over a century ago. In

898
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen, the Panama Canal was completed, connecting the Atlantic

899
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: and Pacific Oceans through the isthmus of Panama. Tarpan we're

900
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: first spotted in the Pacific locks of the Panama Canal

901
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: in the late nineteen thirties, and then ten years later

902
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: large adults were identified swimming around in Panama Bay. They

903
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: have slowly spread up and down the coast and are

904
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: now found from Guatemala to the Columbia Ecuador border, with

905
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: large adults becoming more and more common in the southern

906
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: part of that range, which is where Jorgensen caught his fish.

907
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: The most recent comprehensive study that I could find about

908
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: this topic was published in twenty nineteen in the journal

909
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: Reviews in Fish Biology and Fisheries, and after reading that

910
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: study and a number of other sources, both research based

911
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: and anecdotal, I feel like I have a better grasp

912
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: on the situation. There is no doubt that tarpan have

913
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: migrated through the canal. Interestingly enough, concern over aquatic species,

914
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: specifically sea snakes, migrating from the Pacific to the Caribbean,

915
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: almost prevented the canal from being built. Biologists ultimately concluded

916
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: that sea snakes couldn't survive the passage because of much

917
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: of the canal's fresh water. They were correct. The sea

918
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: snakes never made it through, but other species have. Tarpaner

919
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: thought to be the first fish that successfully traversed the

920
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: fifty miles of saline, brackish and fresh water and then

921
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: came out the other side. Studies have shown that adult

922
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: tarpan have plenty of suitable habitat and forage in the Pacific,

923
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: so why haven't they just taken over that coast. To

924
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: answer that, you gotta look at reproduction. We know tarpin

925
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: are moving through the canal, but are they successfully spawning.

926
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: Juvenile tarpin as small as seventeen centimeters have been found

927
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: in a few places, but in fifty years of sampling,

928
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: no tarp and larvae have been found on the Pacific side.

929
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: They have, however, been detected at the locks on the

930
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: Atlantic side. It's possible the juveniles or larva are making

931
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: their way through the canal, but it seems pretty unlikely.

932
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: So the question remains, what's going on tarpin. Our broadcast

933
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: spawners the adults gathering in these big groups several miles offshore,

934
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: and they mixed the milt and the eggs and and

935
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: then the fertilized larva. Then ride wind and currents inshore,

936
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: and they're looking for brackish canals and lagoons. Because they

937
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: mature slowly, young tarpan need a place to live where

938
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: other creatures won't eat them. Tarpan spend up to the

939
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: first decade of their lives in low oxygen backwaters where

940
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: other predators just can't get to them. They can't live there,

941
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: there's not enough oxygen tarpink and gould air. Ye, the

942
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: Pacific coast experiences far more tidal shift than the Curban side, right,

943
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: And so that means that those baby tarpan really don't

944
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: have a place to live on the Pacific side, right,

945
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: because all those mangroves and lagoons and those those brackish

946
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: habitats they get completely flushed out of the low tide.

947
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: There's no once it makes sense. I mean, even if

948
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: you just know about fly fishing, like belize, it's all

949
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: Eastern side because they have all the shallows and all

950
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: the mangroves and stuff on that side of Central America. Right. So,

951
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: so there's a real lack of habitat for young tarpan

952
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: to get through that life stage over there. The most

953
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: likely hypothesis seems to be that the tarban they're spawning

954
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: in the Pacific, but very few if any, of those

955
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: larva are able to find habitat where they can grow

956
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: and mature. Right, So what you end up with over

957
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: there is this perfect scenario for growing truly enormous fish. Right,

958
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: Some adults are moving through the canal and a very

959
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: few juveniles may be surviving into adulthood. That means the

960
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: tarpan that are on the Pacific side. They just don't

961
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: have a whole lot of competition from their own species, right,

962
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: and fewer apex predator fish in a system often means

963
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: that individuals have the opportunity to grow exceptionally large, which

964
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: might explain the crazy huge fish that Jorgensen landed recently. Yep,

965
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: finally I'm gonna hit on that invasive species tag. According

966
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: to researchers, tarpan are not, allow me to repeat, not

967
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: considered invasive. That is inaccurate because there are no observed

968
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: negative impacts of tarpan and the Pacific and no imminent

969
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: threat of a population boom. They are not labeled as invasive.

970
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: That's just a fact. Furthermore, they're not likely to become

971
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: an invasive species for several reasons. First, like we just

972
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: talked about, the Pacific coast lacks abundant habitat for juvenile recruitment. Second,

973
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: tarpan are highly susceptible to over fishing. They're pretty easy

974
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: to catch relatively, and they're very slow to reproduce and grow.

975
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: With all the subsistence fishing in that part of the world,

976
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: tarpan are gonna get caught and they're gonna eat. If

977
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: they're a rapes, this is gonna happen. And third, that

978
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: part of the world is also experiencing pretty rapid coastal

979
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: habitat degradation. Again, that's a problem for tarban and as

980
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: part of the reason that they're listed as a vulnerable

981
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: species globally. All of that is just best guesses. We

982
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: don't know any of it. For certain eighty years feels

983
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: like a long time for tarban too have been swimming

984
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: the Pacific. But if you think about it, that's only

985
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: sick for seven generations of fish. It's it's possible the

986
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: tarpin could find a foothold and take over on the side,

987
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: but the evidence suggests that's just not likely to happen.

988
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: In the meantime, though, the coast is probably the best bet.

989
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: If you're looking for a record fish, that's probably where

990
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. So you think it's shifted out of Africa,

991
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: it was Africa forever. I know it was. I'm I mean,

992
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: I I think based off of what I no one

993
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: else is saying that, Like, that's just me stepping out

994
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: a little bit. But if you think about a new

995
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: species in an open system, where they have the ability

996
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: to grow without much competition from themselves. Yeah, I think

997
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: there's a good chance. Well, if somebody gets down there

998
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: and gets one, let us know, it won't be me.

999
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: I did a two one time. I don't ever need

1000
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: to do that ever ever. Again, you're good. Once once

1001
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: was plenty. Well there you go. Man. I mentioned last

1002
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: time this came up that I had heard whispers about

1003
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: this and like little sort of you know, talk about

1004
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: the Pacific side. But it's fascinating to to hear that

1005
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: take on it, and that makes a lot of sense.

1006
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: They just don't have the shallows that the East side had. Uh.

1007
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: What I want to know though, is more about what's

1008
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: the Indo Pacific tarpin? Should I be chasing that or

1009
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: is it like is it like the bone fish in

1010
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: San Diego Bay? Do you ever hear of those? I

1011
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: have heard of those, see, but you haven't been excited

1012
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: enough to go look for them, because people are like, yeah,

1013
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm not excited enough to go on an Indo Pacific

1014
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: carbon trip. If I happened to be somewhere fishing where

1015
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: they existed, I would probably chase them because it would

1016
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: be cool. But they don't get very big comparatively, they're

1017
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: they're pretty small. Okay. Where do they live? Well, the

1018
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: Indo Pacific, So you're talking like Japan, Australia. Who aren't

1019
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: slang terms for these regions? Where there you go? So

1020
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: they they are not invasive, Phil, you got a lot

1021
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: to chew on this week. I took a little shot

1022
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: at you, so maybe that hurt me. Miles called you Caesar,

1023
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: so maybe that'll help him. I don't know. We're gonna

1024
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: hear from Phil. We're gonna he's gonna declare a winner,

1025
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna move on to awkward moments and angling.

1026
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: And this one is really awkward and kind of scary,

1027
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: and I'm really hoping more rather than fewer of you

1028
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: watch the movie that I reference in this segment. Phil, Honey,

1029
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: it's time to wake up. What I gotta wake up?

1030
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: It's time to edit the podcast? Mom? Yes, okay, you ready? Yeah? Yeah,

1031
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: let's let's do the podcast. How do I How do

1032
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: I do it? Okay? See that button there, the blue one?

1033
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: Push that one? Okay, okay, good now edit edit? And

1034
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: then what do I click? Now? Okay, now I want

1035
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: you to export hit the export boton. Oh that's right,

1036
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: okay X export to Await MP three, MP three Yes, okay,

1037
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: all right, you got it? I did it. Good job.

1038
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: And the winner for best engineered podcast episode of all

1039
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: time goes to Phil for episode fifty four of Ben.

1040
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: Is there anyone that you'd like to thank? WHOA? I mean? Yeah,

1041
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: I guess, Uh the guy upstairs? J C. My boy,

1042
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: how's the view? Uh? Tony at Arby's Joe, Sir Mellie

1043
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: the winner of fish News this week. Oh my mom, Mom,

1044
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: thanks for waking me up. And I couldn't have done

1045
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: it without you. Phill, Honey, it's time to take out

1046
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: the track mob. Shut up. You're embarrassing me. Guy. When

1047
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: did you take a picture at the Life Black? So

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Speaker 1: last time on Awkward Moments, we had a young lady

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Speaker 1: holding a striper that looked like she was about to cry,

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Speaker 1: remember this, while her husband stood behind her with a

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00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: sinister look on his face. And I joked that it

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00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: looked like a movie scene where a female victim is

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00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: held at gunpoint and told like to start walking and

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00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: don't say a word. Right. Well, this week's awkward photo

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00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: conjures another movie scene, and and it's the ending to

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Speaker 1: sleep Away Camp and the look on antagonist Angela Baker's

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00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: face during the big end reveal that she's actually been

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00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: a boy the entire time. Now, if you don't know

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, look up the ending of Sleepaway

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00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: Camp on YouTube and you will agree she makes one

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Speaker 1: of the most terrifying faces ever. I had never heard

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Speaker 1: of this movie. Come on, you never heard of it

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00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: on Sleepaway Camp? No clue. But at your request for

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Speaker 1: this segment, I did look it up and I watched

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Speaker 1: the final scene and yeah, the faces that, I guess

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Speaker 1: you could call the face terrifying. To me, it looked

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00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: stupid and cheesy more than terrifying. And I have zero

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Speaker 1: desire to watch that film. But I see why you

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00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: wanted that reference. I totally get it because the expression

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00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: on the face of the person in this photo really

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Speaker 1: does mirror the one where that the one that that

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Speaker 1: movie ends on. It's very close. It's right there. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this week's photo was sent to me via d

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Speaker 1: M by listener Luke Zekel, and he writes this was

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Speaker 1: taken on the Upper Genesee River in New York. By

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00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: the way, boom, there's another shout out for the gym everywhere, right,

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: We're making the Jenny famous on the bench. Um. This

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00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: was taken on the Upper Genesee River whilst fishing for

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Speaker 1: smallmouth with mass flies. I bumped into a decent brown trout,

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Speaker 1: which was my first mass trout. He then adds side note,

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Speaker 1: this fish was caught after switching out a master splinter

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Speaker 1: that I had thrown for two hours with no bites

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00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: and immediately hooked up on its replacement. Wait minute, who

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00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: was it you, Joe did? Did you invent I master

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00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: splinter fly? It's it's possibility, that's my patterns thought. The

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00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: thing is, what you don't know is that we're usually

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00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: inundated with people fawning over how much they loved Joe

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00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: and the splinter and blah blah blah. You're like so

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00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: great for making it. So I gotta say I appreciate

1090
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: this because that was a very well turned, subtle dig.

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00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: Because I don't know about you, but I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you think do you think he was suggesting maybe that

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00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: your fly sucks? You know? I kind of think he

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00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: was kind of think he was saying, my fly you

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00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: But guess what, Luke, Okay, ten and fifteen other people

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00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: say you're wrong? Okay. Anyway, regardless regardless of the fly.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, I don't care what she caught it on

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00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: props on the first night, Right, that is an accomplishment,

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Speaker 1: and luckily that accomplishment was documented just so well, just perfect.

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Speaker 1: So onto the photo. He's night fishing. So obviously the

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Speaker 1: photo was taken in the dark, which is perfect because

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Speaker 1: if I were going to make a fly fishing themed

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Speaker 1: horror a movie, I think I would want this photo

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Speaker 1: for the poster. Yes, and we'll we'll do that. That's

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01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: a great idea, by the way, it's a whole new genre.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk, we'll talk. Yeah. So Luke. Luke stands in

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Speaker 1: the foreground on what looks to be a muddy flat

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Speaker 1: He's wearing socks and sneakers, two tone gray board shorts,

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Speaker 1: a black under armor hoodie, and a very snazzy sling

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Speaker 1: pack right across his chest. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Now

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01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: Luke is shaggy blonde and wearing what i'd call I'll

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Speaker 1: call emo style glasses. Is that still thing? Is emo

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Speaker 1: still a thing? I think? So? I still I don't.

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01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is anymore, but I think

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01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: I like it. Got It's hard to quantify because I

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01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I think of emo is

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01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: Wheezer Blue Album, but that's people say I'm wrong. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: He's got a red baseball cap on backwards and strapped

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01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: around his dome is like a it's a pretty serious headlamp.

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Speaker 1: Right to me, it looks like the kind spelunkers use. Right,

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's that's his other me, maybe he's a spelunker.

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01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: You never know. He's to see anybody in the caves

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Speaker 1: on the Genesee River let us know. Uh, he's also

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01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: got his fly right in his mouth. And while I

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Speaker 1: have to clarify, I mean no way, shape or form

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Speaker 1: like knocking the gear, because we're all about fishing what

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01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: you can afford. Just for context, just for context, it

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Speaker 1: appears to be like an older Martin or Shakespeare combo,

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Speaker 1: which I can tell because of the thickness of the

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01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: butt end, the green coloring, and the rod has like

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01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: the E v A grips instead of cork. So not digging,

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: just setting up the photo. Nope, nothing, nothing wrong with it.

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: I fished with a very similar rod for many, many years.

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Speaker 1: But it does strike me as a little odd that

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01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: his chest pack would sell for double the price of

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01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: his rod. Reel and line combined. But I don't know.

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01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a gift, maybe he was borrowing it

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01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: from some boogie friend, doesn't really matter. Let's focus on

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01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: the image, which has this very strong ethereal quality to it. Yes, right,

1140
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: and taking a quick photo in the dark using your

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01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: phone flash just tricky. And whoever took this doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like they have solid photography skills really now now, And

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01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: like pretty much everything except Luke's middle is blurred, like

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01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: blurred to the point where it feels like it's not

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01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: entirely there or not entirely solid, and that likely didn't

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01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: result in what he was going for. I'm guessing he

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01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: was going for like a bragboard shot of his first

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01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: mouth brown but what he got was definitely not that

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01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 1: I would, however, say, it's it's a lot more interesting. Oh,

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01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: totally totally right. So Luke is looking down, but not

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Speaker 1: at the blurry twelve inch trout in his right hand.

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01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: It's almost like he's staring at his friend's feet, like

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01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: he's staring into the abyss of yea yeah. And if

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Speaker 1: you photoshop the rod out of his mouth, it would

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01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: just look like he's screaming, right, uh, And once again

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01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: not kidding his face at the end of Sleepaway Camp, right,

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01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: So take the rod and the fish out of the shot,

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01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: and this is like some like evil psychopath that just

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01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: lunged out the woods that or it looks like this

1160
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: was taken at the precise moment, like he was stabbed

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01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: in the gut by the psycho killer at the end

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01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: of a movie, at the end of the heart. It's

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01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: one of the could go either way. He's either the

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01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: victim or the killer, but either way it works. It

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01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: looks like the climax to a horror film with fishing

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01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: gear at it in and I think what probably actually

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01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: happened is he was trying to get situated for the photo.

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01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: He's like yelling instructions to the photographer while holding his

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01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: rod and his teeth, but he's just like, whatever, I

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01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: don't care. Fish isn't that big. He snapped the thing

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01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: before anybody was ready. He didn't bother to look at

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01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: it and just told me, no worries, man, I got it.

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Speaker 1: Looks great. But he didn't get it, at least not

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Speaker 1: in the way that Luke was. I'm sure hoping Luke's

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01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: left hand is this just a fleshy blur, so he

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01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: must have been waving it or moving around and that

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01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: motion resulted in it gives it the appearance that Luke

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Speaker 1: just has no left arm. Yeah, left arm doesn't exist, no,

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01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: for sure. And did I picture with the rod just

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01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: being like, oh, Carl one truck one and he just

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01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: went click and like picture man um. But yeah, and

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Speaker 1: the and the position of the blurry left hand, it

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: makes it look like he's got one t rex arm,

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01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: which adds to the creepiness of the whole thing. Right,

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01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: And I know people know what a t rex arm

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01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: is like. If Luke was chasing you with his arms

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01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: and t rex posture and it's look on his face

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01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: like snarling and possibly drooling, you'd be terrified. I would.

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Speaker 1: I would run away if I if I ran into

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01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: this dude on the river. It's good, Luke, congrats on

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01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: the first mouse brown. Yeah. Man, I'm sorry Joe's fly suck,

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01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: but I'm very happy for you whatever. I'm not sorry

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01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: about what we said about your photo because frankly, it's scary.

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01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're a very nice dude, but this image

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01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: could give people nightmares. And if you do get nightmares,

1196
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: let us know. And if you've got an awkward photo

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01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: that could make us laugh, or haunt our dreams, whatever,

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01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: Send it to Bent at the meat Eater dot com,

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Speaker 1: and you just might end up getting roasted on the show.

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I feel bad, but I do.

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01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: I do kind of think we made Luke sounds scary.

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01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: It was appropriate, but I don't know if it was

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: approp I don't know it was right. I don't. I

1204
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: don't feel that bad. I'm sure he's not I'm sure

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01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: he's a lovely young man, right, but in that just

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01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: that Nano's second in time, right, his face looks like

1207
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: like like the screaming spider creature head thing from the Thing.

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01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and I found it frightening. I found it frightening.

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: You're it was begging to be called out that it

1210
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: is kind of a horrifying image while also being hilarious

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01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: And speaking of being frightened, Joe is going to close

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: out the show with an end of the line segment

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01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: about a fly you will not find for sale because

1214
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: he invented it, but it's super easy to tie and

1215
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: based around one hell of a fish Camp story that

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01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: will also keep up with this week's um low hanging

1217
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: sub theme fish Well, that's not loud enough. Fair warning,

1218
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm changing names and locations for this one. Matter of fact,

1219
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: I've never told this story publicly, but given our theme

1220
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: of fish Camp, and despite trying like how to come

1221
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: up with something better, I just kept coming back to this,

1222
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: knowing in my heart that the time is now and

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01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing the right thing. Years ago, in the before times,

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01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: meaning the pre kid times, a group of my best

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01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: fishing buddies and I would make an annual pilgrimage to

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01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: fish for steelhead in let's say Michigan. I had been

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01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: friends with a few veteran guides in the area who

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01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: always graciously helped secure a crash house and graciously invited

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01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: me and my buds to crash at it while subsequently

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01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: helping us get on the fish. What you ended up with, however,

1231
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: were two factions in the house, the older guys and

1232
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: the punk asked twentysomething's and we all got along smashingly,

1233
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: but naturally we all had different routines too. The older

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01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: crew would drink a Scotch with dinner and turn in

1235
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: about nine pm, which was right around when my crew

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01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: was ten beers into a mandatory thirty carrying on while

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01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: most Extreme Elimination Challenge roared on the TV in the

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01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: family room. It was around eleven PM when nature called

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01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: my friend Ron, we'll say Ron. When he came back

1240
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: from the bathroom, he looked shaken and upset. What happened? Man,

1241
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: we asked, Ron had opened the wrong door in the hall.

1242
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: Instead of the bathroom, He opened the door of one

1243
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: of our guides, Barry, who was lying fully nude on

1244
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: the top of his made bed reading a magazine. It

1245
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a pornographic magazine, nor did Ron catch him in

1246
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: the act of pleasuring himself. As I recall, Ron said,

1247
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: I think it was like a woodworking magazine. Barry was

1248
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: equally startled, of course, and at a loss for words,

1249
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: just blurted out, do you need something naturally upon here

1250
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: in this The rest of us just completely lost our ship,

1251
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: and for the entire rest of that trip we didn't

1252
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: let Ron forget that he saw Barry's junk. Fast forward

1253
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: to the following summer. Back in those pre ki days,

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01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: I had all the time in the world to completely

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Speaker 1: refill steelhead boxes before the next winner, and after churning

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Speaker 1: out a hundred fresh estas eggs. I decided to get creative.

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Speaker 1: I tied a fly that combined the power of the

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Speaker 1: San Juan worm with the jigginess of the cloudser. I

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Speaker 1: put two pink bead chain eyes on a nimp hook,

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Speaker 1: added a little pinch of pink ice tub, and finished

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Speaker 1: with a long, pink shineel tail that i'd singe and

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Speaker 1: roll into a point. It looked more like a bone

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Speaker 1: fish fly than a steelhead fly, but I thought in

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Speaker 1: shallower runs I might be able to fish it without

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Speaker 1: the obligatory thirteen to fifteen split shot on your leader

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Speaker 1: that winner me. The same crew of Buddies and Barry

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Speaker 1: made the annual track, but compared to the year prior,

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Speaker 1: the fishing was a little slow. About midway through the

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Speaker 1: first day, having gone through twelve colors of eggs and

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Speaker 1: fleas with no luck, I tied on my creation, and

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Speaker 1: within a dozen drifts, no kidding, I was tied into

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Speaker 1: a steelhead. Not a huge fish, but it was a victory,

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Speaker 1: and after I released it, Ron came over and said, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: what what did it eat? Now? The fly had no name,

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Speaker 1: but at that point, despite my disdain for penis shaped lures,

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Speaker 1: I looked at the bug in my hand. I saw

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Speaker 1: the resemblance and just said Barry's wiener. I gave a

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Speaker 1: Barry's wiener to Ron and a couple of the other dudes.

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Speaker 1: Now did they destroy No, But we stuck a few

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Speaker 1: more steeles on that little jiggy worm. The problem was

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Speaker 1: that Barry was just as curious about the pattern, which

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Speaker 1: we told him we called the BW. For the next

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Speaker 1: few days, every time Barry yelled out, did you hook

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Speaker 1: that on the b W? We about died. Now it's

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Speaker 1: been too long since that crew got together for steel

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Speaker 1: But if we did, I guarantee someone would still have

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Speaker 1: one of the original b ws in their fly box

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Speaker 1: and the story still wouldn't have gotten old. So that's

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Speaker 1: it for this week. If you're headed a fish camp,

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Speaker 1: and boy, we hope you all remember failing to not

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Speaker 1: could result in fly being named after your package you're

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Speaker 1: trying to shoot that night, Brown, make sure we can

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Speaker 1: see more than dead people. And if you want your

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Speaker 1: fish camp adventure filmed, r A Bati will do it

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Speaker 1: for bail money. I've also heard I have it on

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Speaker 1: good authority, are runs a special hire him to film

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Speaker 1: your King Sira GT. Twelve flies free now If you

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Speaker 1: want free stickers, all you have to do is keep

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Speaker 1: using those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags on Instagram.

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01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: If we repost something you tag, you get stickers. Simple

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Speaker 1: as that. You can also get swag from us if

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01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: we use something you sent on the show. So please

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Speaker 1: keep all those salban items, bar nominations, awkward photos, and

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Speaker 1: anything else you'd think we'd like. Come into Bent at

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Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com. And if you find a

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Speaker 1: set toy in the river, maybe next to some majestically

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Speaker 1: rising trout, remember to fill it on newspaper so it

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Speaker 1: doesn't slide all over the place.