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Speaker 1: And you are the host with the most out of me?

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Speaker 1: And you, um, you do have more. You're older than me,

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Speaker 1: We got Mr Doug Williams here, and I just let's

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Speaker 1: want you to tell me that process. How did that

429
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Speaker 1: come about? Did you envision like it would be such

430
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: a monumental success, like like, how could you imagine it

431
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,719
Speaker 1: from going to nothing toil all of a sudden boom

432
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: where we are well, you know, couldn't. I couldn't see

433
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Speaker 1: back in two thousand nine where we are today. Let

434
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Speaker 1: me see. Let me tell exactly how it all started.

435
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: James Harrison. No, we we had a foundation, Williams and

436
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: Harris Foundation. And when Hurricane could trine a king, a

437
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: lot of kids were moved from New Orleans and all

438
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: different kinds of places and Shreeport, Louisiana. They moved a

439
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: bunch of kids. And what me and and James did

440
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 1: we we gave a hundred kids. Were a hundred kids

441
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: that have been moved on New or up at street Port,

442
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: and we gave him all a during the Christmas time

443
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars gifts certificate that could only be spent

444
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: on either kids clothes or tours, which that eliminate the

445
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: older people using that to get his thing they want,

446
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: so when they went to the casher and that's the

447
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: only only thing you can get with kids closed. And

448
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: we we kept the foundation going. We we did UH tournaments.

449
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: We raised money for for single women who was like

450
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: in their senior year college they was gonna graduate. We

451
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: made sure their last semester tuitione was paid. We gave

452
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: them all UH laptops and things like that. We did

453
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: that a lot. But it was this report and then

454
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, as as I traveled and James

455
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: traveled to certain tournaments and UM chair of Events and

456
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: raising money to do other things. So we decided to

457
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: do that and I went to Hawaii to June Jones,

458
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: who who was doing the benefit over there to play

459
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: this golf tom and I came back and I said,

460
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop in l A because James Harris was

461
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: in l A for a few days. And the guy

462
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: that ran June Jones Found Nation was over there, and

463
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: I asked him when he stopped in l A with

464
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: me and we sat down with James Harris, so he

465
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: came over. We went to breakfast that morning, and we

466
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: pitched the Black College Football Hall of Fame to him.

467
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about the white guy that lives in

468
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: in the in Las Vegas. You don't know nothing about

469
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: hbc You have no idea. But we tried to tell

470
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: him how many guys that have gone on to to

471
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: HBCU that was great players and that had never gotten recognized.

472
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: How many Black College Football Hall of Famers in the

473
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: NFL that was already there that still had not gotten

474
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: all the flowers. And he he said, well, look, let's

475
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: let's talk about this again in the morning. And that

476
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: morning he woke up, he came me, so I got it.

477
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: So we sat down and from that they owned. The

478
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: Black College Football Hall of Fame was was born and

479
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: Arthur Blank, Arthur Blank and and and John P. R

480
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: a payment system in Atlanta. You know, I got always

481
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: get those guy's credit because what the Blank was was

482
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: one of our biggest monster along with John pr. And.

483
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: It says a lot about the author Blak because he

484
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: saw vision and the first three times we had the

485
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: event in the in Atlanta. We had a different hotels

486
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: at that time because we was were trying to extand

487
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: it ourselves. A blank came to all three and he

488
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: sat there after one of them the first one was over.

489
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: You know, he sat there and I went to thank

490
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: him for for his support, and he told me, he said,

491
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: I could say here all night and look at the video.

492
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: He said, I had no idea these guys went to

493
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: h b c U and and and that is true

494
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't know a lot of

495
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: guys that are playing the National Football League that the

496
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: NFL Hall of Famers and things like that had gone

497
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: to h b c U. And now we gotten to

498
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: the point nine where we still have the dealer, but

499
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Speaker 1: we have it at the College Football Hall of Fame

500
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, but we're gonna be housed in can't Ohire,

501
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: which to me, that was the thing that that the

502
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: straw that broke the camera back was to be able

503
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: to be in can know how you as the Football League,

504
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: UH Dave Baker, who was who was the exacting director

505
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame at one time, UH called

506
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: me and shack On. We was on the three way

507
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to. Asked us, had we thought

508
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: about moving in the housing part of the Black College

509
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame to Canton and that was no way.

510
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: That was a no brainer. I said, oh yeah, before

511
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: he even got it out of his mouth, gonna be

512
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Speaker 1: in Canadon. As you know, they're doing a whole lot

513
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: of um working. Canon re refromised the whole thing, and

514
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna be housed there. And the reason he decided

515
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Speaker 1: to do that because the history, the history of HBCU.

516
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: He said, it's so important to the National Football League

517
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: and football as a whole that he felt like it

518
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: was only great to be housed in. Can't know how

519
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: you I didn't know that it got housed in Canada, Ohio,

520
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: and that just has to be. It's really cool to say,

521
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: like I had this one vision to take us through

522
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: that whole story, and now this is what we got

523
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: and to be able to recognize all these great players.

524
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: I was just on earlier one of our producers, Thomas Warren,

525
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: talking about how many of the NFL greats all went

526
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: to hbc USED in the sixties and early seventies, like

527
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: that was the only place you could get recognized. Walter

528
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: Payton came out I think in in in the seventy

529
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: five draft. I think m hm. In that draft, Jackson

530
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: State had nine players that were drafted had eight. So

531
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: kind of tell you where where all of the black

532
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: guys went to school was? Was that in the squat comforts?

533
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, when you think about Jackson State Roberts, Walter Payton,

534
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: and Jackie Slayter, that's not talking about all other players.

535
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: All those guys was on that same team in nineteen

536
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: seventy four. Well, I got an opportunity to play against

537
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Speaker 1: as as a freshman at Grammar. You know, so just

538
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: think about what they did for the National Football League

539
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: playing days coming from h b c U. So that

540
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of history that has never still hadn't

541
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: been recognized, you know, for for what they've done h

542
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: in the National Football League and what they did as

543
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: a college player at the h b c U. So

544
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: how much pride do you take now that it's in

545
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: Kent Man. You know, it's kind of take your breath

546
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: away because what it does, what I'm here or not,

547
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: I may be going on, it's gonna always be the

548
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: h b c U Black College Football Hall of fame,

549
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be able to recognize the guys that

550
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: a lot of us didn't know, but they family and

551
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: all other people around knew that they went to those

552
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: colleges and they getting recognized. Now, that's what you call

553
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: giving guys flowers. Some mother still here, some of them

554
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: are going on, but they get flowers before they leave.

555
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: That's that's so critical though, you know, and for them,

556
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: not only for them, but then also their their families.

557
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: That's the most important thing. Their family man get a

558
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: chance to recognize as that whoever my uncle, my dad

559
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: and my cousin or whatever what he did at that institution. Yeah,

560
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: I love that. Thanks stuff for sharing all that with us,

561
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: all right, So how do we maintain this wave of

562
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: recognition and support for that HBCUs, especially how much they've

563
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: gotten over the last three or four years, So it's

564
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: not just a flash in the pan, but something that

565
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: really sticks and stays for a long time. That's that's

566
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: an interesting um dynamic, you know. And and let me

567
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: say it is and go back to the d ndon

568
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: going to Jackson State brough so much buildibility to HBCUs.

569
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Speaker 1: And the most important thing here that I've I've said

570
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: this that what if Dion get a job at a

571
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Power five scouse. Hopefully he does because he deserved. Do

572
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: we still keep that buildability it doesn't leave and go

573
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: with Dion. That's that's a that's a great course. And

574
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: hopefully the people who support HBCU doing the last a

575
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: couple of years with Dion would continue to do that.

576
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: And we have to graduate of HBCU. We got to

577
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: do the same thing. Yeah, And I think that's the

578
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: most important part of his whole situation is the one

579
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: that's the alumni. The alumni has to continue to keep

580
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: up with it. And my mom and dad talked about

581
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: that all the time, trying to continue to support Alabama

582
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: State the way that they do, whether it's behind the suite,

583
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: always showing up for different alumni events. You gotta show

584
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: up and you gotta show up in your wallet too, man.

585
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: That's so important. Yeah. And the visibility part, I want

586
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: to see how do we keep that going because it's

587
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: not just Dion. Dion is his own thing. Dion has

588
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: a brand. He has a brand. I mean he's prime time.

589
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: That he is prime time and he's been that way

590
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: as a coach. He's coach prime and you know, he's

591
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: on commercials with Nick Saban, so he's there. And how

592
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: do we continue to carry this thing? We don't lose it.

593
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: We don't want to go backwards. I know we've got

594
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: Eddie George and and um what was the former coordinator

595
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: for the Bengals and we got you got edit At

596
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: Robinson in Alabama State right now, Eddie Robinson in Alabama State.

597
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: He was really good too, you know, and that was great.

598
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: I know he kind here in deon cats a little words,

599
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He ain't swack, but um,

600
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: trust me, my family was highly involved in all this day.

601
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: They have their own emotions about it. I think any

602
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: sometimes any drama is good for TV, so it's good.

603
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: But um, how do we continue to not lose this

604
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: and go backwards? Well, number one, I think we got

605
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: to be real with ourselves and I am um. And

606
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: like you said about d Dion, from the day Dion

607
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: stepped in the NFL, he's been prime time and that's

608
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: not gonna change. And I mind for who he is

609
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: and what he's done. But we all know the disibility

610
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: in Jackson, Mississippi. It's because of DNA. You know, Jackson

611
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: has benefitting from it. Don't get me wrong, jack Stated

612
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: been benefiting from it. But and that's why I actually

613
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: if he leaves there, where would it go? So we

614
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: got to be true to ourselves and understand that we

615
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: as guys of the latest, whoever who graduated from hbc

616
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: you got to be the one that help HBCU carry

617
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: on without a prime time because as long as prime there,

618
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the busibility. You know, think about it,

619
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: how many how many ex athletes that he brought into

620
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: Jackson State that don't happen an eery every other school.

621
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: You know, Michael Strahan, you got Troy Aikman, you You've

622
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: got everybody who stopped in the Jackson but nobody stopped

623
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: in the Houston, Texas Southern, nobody stopped in Huntsville, Alabama,

624
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: nobody up in Mississippi Valley. You know. But but how

625
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: we get that to spread around to HBCU. It's the

626
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: most important thing. Yeah, And I don't have that answer,

627
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: but it's so true. I mean, he got Mike Zimber

628
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: working for him as like, and I'm like, zim is

629
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: a what it's almost unfair you said it, but it's true. Um,

630
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: It's it's such a weird thing, but it's so not

631
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: weird because of who we're talking about, and that's Dion

632
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: Sanders and and coach prom has done an amazing job.

633
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: I hope this continues, this wave of love and visibility

634
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: continues to spread amongst the HBCUs and so um, I

635
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: gotta tell you this. So for a kid from Zachary, Louisiana,

636
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: which I don't even know what that is exactly, is

637
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: it closer to street for it you played in New Orleans?

638
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: Let me tell you where it's. That is, right, I

639
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: do know what bad ruge ruge. That's not far at

640
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: all you talking about Zachary Baker Baton Rouge. We right there.

641
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. That's how some it must be.

642
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Speaker 1: That small. It's one of those pounds that at one

643
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: point it's grown a lot since the Hurricane Katrina. That's

644
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: got his own school system. Now zach got it. It

645
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: broke away from East Batman's parents, but it was so

646
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: small they had welcome to zachar and and come again

647
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: on the same side. That's how small. When I was young,

648
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: we had one caution like that's sounds like my dad's

649
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: hoped own. Oh man, that's hilarious. Okay from zach Louisiana.

650
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: You come a long way when you say just give

651
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: me an overall synopsis is like that's you know, when

652
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: we won the Super Bowl here in eighty seventh season,

653
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: I went to the White House and I was standing

654
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: up there with President Reagan, and the one word I

655
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: said to myself, I said, it's a long ways from

656
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: Zachary Louisiana to be on stage with the President of

657
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: the United States. Man. And the good part about it,

658
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: it's um. We talked about it all the time, me

659
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: and Shock. We always talked about the road that was

660
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: less traveled, how how we both got a chance to

661
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: get to a point where we were being successful in

662
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: National Football League, and all the things that you had

663
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: to endure and how you get there and no matter

664
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: how many times you got knocked down. Coach Robber used

665
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: to always tell us, it ain't nobody getting knocked down.

666
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: It's about getting up every time. It's getting up off

667
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: the turk. And and I think about that and and

668
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: and all the things that we had to go through

669
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: during the Civil rights time and all that that never

670
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: bothered me. I didn't. I didn't realize until I got

671
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: older what what that really was and you look back

672
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: on it. But as an athlete, you know, you involved

673
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: in athletics and playing baseball, football, all that in high

674
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: school alway to college, a lot of things didn't even

675
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: didn't even hit you, didn't even resonate. And then you

676
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: realize what so many other people was dealing with and

677
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: you there with and didn't know what was happening, you know,

678
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: and and always come back to with. My dad used

679
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: to always say, it's water up under the bridge, so

680
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: I never looked at it and took into hard when

681
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: somebody say something about me. And like when I was

682
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: playing National Football League, that was so many commentators man

683
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: made derogatory statements and things like that because they never

684
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: seen a black quarterback and and they couldn't get used

685
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: to it. I know what I was in Tample. Every

686
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: article you know that was written was either Doug Williams,

687
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: Tampa's black quarterback, Tampa Bay's black quarterback. You know, so

688
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: because they never got used to it, which todaytime does

689
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: a look different. Nobody to talk about the color of

690
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Now it's it's about the quarterback. And like

691
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: I told him, in the next five, six or ten years,

692
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: half of this league gonna be black quarterbacks, you know

693
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: when you look at it realistically, So nobody worried about that.

694
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: That adgect that right now don't even resonate. It's the

695
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: person who's in those positions. And I'm glad to be

696
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: able to come through all that to get to this

697
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: point that that's what it's all about. Nine. It's not

698
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: about the color of your skin. It's the character and

699
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: what not. You can play the position. And so when

700
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: you look back on all that, like, do you appreciate

701
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: it now? Because when you're going through it, you don't

702
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: never appreciate the good old days like you never do,

703
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: you know what, I appreciate it more than ever at

704
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: this stage, At this stage, I do because I remember

705
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: playing little league baseball. I was looking at the picture

706
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: of the day of me playing little league baseball and

707
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: all the things I had to come through I played.

708
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: I was me and the guy named Sherman Floyd was

709
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: the first two guys to integrate. And this is the shame,

710
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: the shame part about it. My oldest brother was our

711
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: coach to integrate American Legion Baseball in in nineteen seventy

712
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: three in Baton Rouge Louisiana. We were the first two

713
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: blacks they would play American Legion baseball. And we played

714
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: the game out in Dnn's frame. And and I know

715
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: you played in New Orleans, but you might not understand

716
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: what Dyn's frame was. That's where David Duke, the Grand

717
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 1: Dragon lived. The frame about thirty miles thirty four miles

718
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: from my hometown. And we had to play out that

719
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: one night. And you know, we're only two blacks in

720
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: the statement, and my dad was probably the only black

721
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: in the stand and my brothers only black coature. And

722
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: some of the words and some of the things that

723
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: were saying back then, and and you know, my brother

724
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: and the dug Alas always said, don't worry about it, Doug,

725
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: just just show them what you are who you are,

726
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: you know. And I went up and had a cup

727
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: of triples and a doubling thing like that. And he

728
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: always told me to say, they didn't call you whatever

729
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: you want, but you don't look at it that way.

730
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: You just play your game. And I learned to be

731
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: able to overcome things like that at an early age man,

732
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: and I think it helped me to where I am today. Well,

733
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: Doug is clearly has been watered under the bridge for you,

734
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: and it's clearly shown that all of that has done

735
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: is allowed you to continue to grow and be above

736
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: it all man. And it's a it's a pleasure to

737
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: have been sent down and listen to all these answers.

738
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: So we gotta pay some bills. That always says, we

739
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: gotta pay these bills. And we will take a break

740
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: real quick, and uh, we'll be back with more. Doug Williams,

741
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: thank you. This last little segment here, we just got

742
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: like a whole bunch of questions. We just first come like,

743
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: whatever comes to your mind, throw it out there. That's

744
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: what we like to do, put you on the hot

745
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: seat for a second and see how it goes. Are

746
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: you ready? Yeah, all right? What? All right? I can't

747
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: wait for this answer. What are you too? Or Three

748
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: favorite quarterbacks to watching today's game? Quarterback? Yeah, wow, Lamar Jackson,

749
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: without a doubt, I agree that he is. Lamar Jackson

750
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: would would be one of my one of my favorite quarterbacks.

751
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: Just what he does and the fact that people say

752
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: he he shouldn't be a quarterback, he should be a

753
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver or whatever. And you know, last I check quarterbacks,

754
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: I've charged with throwing TV passes and he and he

755
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: does that. Yeah, you know, the kid was blessed with

756
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: so much talent that people can't really see because it's

757
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: talent over takes what they look at. That so Lamar

758
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: Jackson would be there and the key it up in

759
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: Buffalo Joles Alan Man, he played the game whe I

760
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: don't give a damn attitude. Yeah, I think that's the way.

761
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: That's the way it should be played with with I

762
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: don't give a damn attitude. I played a win, and

763
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the most important thing. And you know,

764
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: I gotta say this. I know is he's always been

765
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: around a long time. But Tom Brady, you know, to me,

766
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: I know they hadn't played well all over the last

767
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: few weeks, but just watching him from a fundamental standpoint,

768
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: it's very sudden that he does anything wrong when he's

769
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: throwing the ball, his partial and everything, it's always the

770
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: same thing. Fundamentally. I like Tom Brady as as as

771
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: the guy man. So those are three guys that for me,

772
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: I love looking at. But there's a lot of guys

773
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: around you know that I like looking at it. Patrick

774
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: m On what he's saying, I mean the other night.

775
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out. You know, you give him,

776
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: you get a minute and thirty five second on the clock,

777
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: and he gives you twenty five seconds back to me.

778
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: And he does it all the time. It is not

779
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: an accident, that's the thing about it. It ain't accidental.

780
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: This is this is a routine. You know, if you're

781
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: playing Patrick, you got a chance to score to win

782
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: and he's down by six, you know you let the

783
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: clock run out. Man, don't school yeah, because it ain't

784
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: good for you. It's crazy that that's how it's become.

785
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: But it really, he really is become that good, unbelievable.

786
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: A quarterback that you mentioned that I would probably hate

787
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: playing against is definitely Josh Allen because his ability to

788
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: be able to throw the ball that way. He does.

789
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: But he's like six two thirty and trying to run

790
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: over people all the time. That's that's what I'm saying.

791
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: He don't play You don't play the game with no

792
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: constion as a quarterback. You don't have caution in his head. No,

793
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: you don't understand. He's the quarterback they can't afford to

794
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: lose you no care. No, he's trying to run you

795
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: over and jump over you. They're running quarterback sweets. I'm

796
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: like this next level of quarterback play. I agree. I

797
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: think the NFL is in such a good place when

798
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: it comes to young quarterbacks in this NFL right now.

799
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: It's just it's a lot of star power, lots and

800
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: lots of lot at that position. Thank you for that,

801
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: al right. Next question, what's the biggest thrill getting into

802
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame yourself or creating a Black college

803
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: football Hall of Fame. Well, to be honest with you,

804
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: creating this this black college football Hall of Fame. You know,

805
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: getting into getting into the Hall of Fame is out

806
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: of my hand, out of my control. I can't do

807
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: anything about that point. But but but what we're doing

808
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: is that is creating the Black college Football Hall of Fame.

809
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: I can put my hands in that. So for for me,

810
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about it this particular time, man.

811
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: You know, making sure people that deserve an opportunity to

812
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: be in here get their flower. That that's and and

813
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: it's not about me. It's about making sure that they

814
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: get what they deserve. Yeah, I love that, And I

815
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: knew you would say that though as soon as you

816
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: know as We've had this conversation because how much pride

817
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: you take into that whole thing? And the story was awesome,

818
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: so uh it was really worth it? All right? How

819
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: much money with Doug Williams command in today's NFL? All right,

820
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: we got top five quarterback contracts? Okay, all right? Number

821
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: one Patrick Mahomes four d fifty million, Josh Allen is

822
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: at two hundred fifty eight million, Russell Wilson two hundred

823
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: forty five million, Kyler Murray to thirty and a half,

824
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson two hundred thirty million with about another

825
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: forty six million a average. All right, Doug, throw yourself

826
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: in that hat. Where are you at? Where? How much

827
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: you think you would need? All let me say that

828
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: I was born too soon. I tell my son that

829
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: all the time. Man, it's amazing where where this is gone?

830
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: And I do believe you know if I was in

831
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: this time? Uh, in the offensive the guys played in

832
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: Remember I played in Tampa five years and you wouldn't

833
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: you You might not remember, but we had two backs

834
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: and tight end and two wideouts and wild I got

835
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: down with on the three point stand that and we

836
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: was running the ball right left pitch right, So all

837
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: these innovative offense today, if I had not had an

838
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: opportunity to play in those type offense, I would probably

839
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: be in those numbers. And there is no doubt in

840
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: about it. You know, Josh, Josh Allen plays a little

841
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: bit like me. I played a little I was playing

842
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: a little bit like Josh, you know, because what I

843
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: did was made sure we was in position to win.

844
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't believe in taking sacks. I would

845
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: throw the ball the way I did think that would

846
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: help the team. And I think at the end of

847
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: the day, I would have been somewhere in those numbers,

848
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, Doug, I tell myself that all the time.

849
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: I like to I blame my parents if I was

850
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: born like like literally eight years later, like I've been

851
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: a totally different like level, totally different level. It's crazy.

852
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: The contracts. And one of my former teammates when I

853
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: first got in the league, he told me said, look,

854
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: hopefully you're blessed and get play. You get to play

855
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: long enough. When you get your first big deal, you're

856
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: gonna love your numbers. And you played long enough. When

857
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: you see somebody sign for that, like their signing bonus

858
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be bigger than your whole contract. That's what

859
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: happens for me. I mean, the guy at the bottom

860
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: of the total bold. Oh that's so good and so true.

861
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: The money y'all were making back the crazy. Okay, all right,

862
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: last question here, and this is something we asked every

863
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: one of our guests on here, and you gotta understand

864
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: it's only four. So who is on your personal amount Rushmore?

865
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: I would I would have to say my my first

866
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: three are gonna be my mom and dad and Robinson

867
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: and my oldest brother. There is I love that personal touch,

868
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: people that have really been with you since day one,

869
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: and I ain't ain't no doubt about it. You know,

870
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: It's nothing else I can say when you talk about

871
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: rush my mom more Rushmore, what people mean to you

872
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: that that's me, that's those four people at that mean

873
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: in the world of me. Well, well, thanks for that,

874
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: Doug Man. I appreciate that. Here's one more personal question.

875
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: I want to know, um, what was it like to

876
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: be recruited by Eddie Robinson. Let me tell you how

877
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: that happened, though, Okay, like anybody, let me tell me.

878
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 1: You know, and you know in nineteen seventy three black

879
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: quarterbacks wouldn't running really playing in the SEC. The only

880
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: be one and they only been one black quarterback in

881
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: the SEC, and that was Kendrick Halloween, Tennessee and even

882
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: the s w C with Texas and all that one

883
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: no black quarterback. So I was I was only recruited

884
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: went to a small school up in Zacharidge to be

885
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: in high school. Recruited by Jackson State, Southern University, Graham

886
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: and Mrs Valley Tennessee State. In Jackson there was there

887
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: was my teams that recruited me. And being from being

888
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: from Zachary, Southern Version on twenty minutes from my house.

889
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: So I really wanted to go to Southern because I

890
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: felt like it would give my parents an opportunity to

891
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: come to the game, you know, and Coach Rob at

892
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: that time you would know him think about this. But

893
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: we had a party line on our telephone, tweet party

894
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: on our line. So Coach I called the house late

895
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: one night about twelve o'clock and so I'm sleep and

896
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: he talked to my mom, and my mom came in

897
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: and she woke me up. She said, hey, you going

898
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: to Grammar. She said, you're going to ground And I said,

899
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: why do you say that. She said, I just got

900
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: off the phone with Coach Robinson and he said, you're

901
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: gonna go to class, you're gonna go to church, and

902
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna graduate. And that's the best decision my mama.

903
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: So so so Doug Wills his whole career, he had

904
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: nothing to do with, like your mama can't won't you up?

905
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: Said you go, you go on to Gramlin and then

906
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: that's the that's then is going true. Then you respect

907
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: your parents. She said, you're going what you're gonna do?

908
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: You going, You're going. That's that's so good because as

909
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: I was going through my recruit process, my mom told me, look,

910
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: I need you to stay in the state of Alabama

911
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: because your brother just went to Troy. So this you

912
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: can just cut all the other stuff out, Like it's

913
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: all these other schools here, you just pick one. You're good.

914
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, do what your mama saying, right,

915
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: that's save thing. I'm all right, hey, no argument. I mean,

916
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: that's great that that's how you ended up at gramm

917
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: the State University. I hope more people here this because

918
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: that's why you gotta listen to your mama. Right there,

919
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: Mama knows man Thanks, Doug. Well, I'm gonna let you

920
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: get up out of here. Man, it's been a pleasure.

921
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: It's been an honor having you on today on the

922
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: NFL Players Second Acts Podcast. Thank you so much, Doug

923
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: Williamson to appreciate you for stopping about. Thanks for having

924
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: men appreciate you wrong. You did the thing on that one.

925
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: Thanks Dog. That was that was awesome. That was That

926
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: might have been one of your best ones right there.

927
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: That was That was Oprah. You've graduated from Barbara to Oprah.

928
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: That was at Oprah quality right there. You know what

929
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That was. That was a good one, you know,

930
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: opin that. I appreciate that, man, and really meant the

931
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: world for for Doug to kind of stop by. We

932
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: did miss you on that one. Just your your charisma,

933
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: just being right on time as always, but just no, man,

934
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: it meant the world for him to come out here.

935
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: And also the timing of it, literally talking about Doug

936
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: going into the aspects of being leading HBCUs into the

937
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: next era, understanding that the urgency that HBCUs need to

938
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: work with right now, understanding that Dion was not gonna

939
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: be there forever and long behold He's hired to Colorado

940
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: seven days later before we run off. It's crazy, it's

941
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: awesome too. We should celebrate it. Not everybody should be angry.

942
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: That's what Doug talked about taking upon ourselves to continue

943
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: to grow this game. We can't depend on one sole

944
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: person to do it. It was never gonna work that way,

945
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: So hats off to him and hats off to everybody

946
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: that will continue to push this thing forward. Now, thank

947
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: you guys for all those listeners out there to tuning in.

948
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: Ask you to spread the word and to give us

949
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: a rating and review and to follow on Apple podcast,

950
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcast.

951
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We out of here.