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Speaker 1: What is Up?

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Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets

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Speaker 2: Up Podcast.

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Speaker 1: The Boys are Hot, They're ready to go.

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Speaker 2: Didn't sweep the series, but hey took two of three

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Speaker 2: from the Rangers out in Dallas, Texas or Fort Worth

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Speaker 2: technically Fort Worth, Texas, Ore Lincoln actually might even.

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Speaker 1: Be technically where they're playing.

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Speaker 2: A lot of technicalities in Texas. Regardless, we went, we

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Speaker 2: won the series. All great stuff going on there. The

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Speaker 2: grimmest Mets, the game Mets, whatever you want to call them.

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Speaker 1: They just keep winning. They just keep winning.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about everything that happened in the

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Speaker 2: series as well as just update you guys on what's

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Speaker 2: going on around baseball.

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Speaker 1: We lost Willie Mays. We'll talk about him as well.

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Speaker 2: He passed away two days ago at the time that

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Speaker 2: you guys are listening to this.

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Speaker 1: One of the greatest players ever play.

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Speaker 2: And we have a Cubs preview with special guest Lance Sprausdowski,

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Speaker 2: who works for Marquee.

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Speaker 1: He's an analyst over there.

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Speaker 2: He does a lot of really great stuff over on

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Speaker 2: YouTube as well on the pitching side, and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk prospects with him as well. So make sure you

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Speaker 2: stick through the whole episodes that you can see that.

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Speaker 1: So James, I've seen you a lot tonight.

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Speaker 2: We will after we did the Lance interview, because technically

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Speaker 2: we did the Lance interview before we before we did this,

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Speaker 2: and then we got one beer watching the Euros Scotland

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Speaker 2: versus Switzerland, and now we're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about the METSA at midnight. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it's midnight. I'm upset you told me

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Speaker 3: it was midnight. I took like such a hard accident

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Speaker 3: on the app in the middle of the day, I got glutened,

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Speaker 3: I got like late lunch with my family and accidentally

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Speaker 3: just like, I couldn't keep the eyes open. Then work tonight,

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Speaker 3: but buzzing off the Mets buzzing a little bit less

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Speaker 3: on Wednesday compared to Tuesday, just because Monday and Tuesday

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Speaker 3: felt like this team could literally do anything and there

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Speaker 3: was an outside chance they were never going to lose again.

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Speaker 3: But back down to earth a little bit, but still

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Speaker 3: have like a nice uplifted feeling about the stay of

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Speaker 3: this team and the state of the season. Really just

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Speaker 3: fueled by improved lineup, decent pitching, and McDonald's mascot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, it was a good heat check. I think the

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Speaker 2: Mets needed a little bit of a heat check. That

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Speaker 2: would have been eight in a row. I believe they

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Speaker 2: would have won if they won tonight. Unfortunately, they did

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Speaker 2: blow it. Drew Smith came in, gave up two run

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Speaker 2: home run to Lioti Tavarus. We'll talk about that as

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Speaker 2: we get into Game three, but let's start off with

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Speaker 2: the good stuff Game one. Game one was awesome. That

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Speaker 2: was genuinely one of the more fun Mets games we've

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Speaker 2: watched this year.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen to two.

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Speaker 2: They just we don't really do that too often. I know,

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Speaker 2: We've put up like a lot of runs on teams

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Speaker 2: earlier in the year, but the way that this team

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Speaker 2: did the fourteen runs, it was just it was almost euphoric.

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Speaker 3: At this point. That was almost like stupid because it

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Speaker 3: John Gray has had such a good year that he

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Speaker 3: gave up nine runs to the Mets three innings as

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Speaker 3: Era is still three point three. That's how good he

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Speaker 3: the first two winnings. It just didn't stop. And then

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Speaker 3: hyscal Indoor had four hits, and by the time the

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Speaker 3: gets really hot in the two holes. Just it was

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Speaker 3: couldn't believe it. I couldn't even remember a time in

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Speaker 3: One of my cousins reminded me out of legitimately nowhere

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Speaker 3: I have it here. I'm scrolling back, it was in

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Speaker 3: twenty twelve where they had sixteen hits and won seventeen

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Speaker 3: June twenty seventh, twenty twelve. I don't remember the twenty

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Speaker 3: twelve Mets ever, even sniffing five hundred being over it

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's just the classic. Like I'm

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Speaker 2: sure we had a West coast trip right around July

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Speaker 2: maybe beginning of August, that tour that season down. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we're going back twelve years now.

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Speaker 2: Don't don't remember twenty twelve season almost at.

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Speaker 3: All, No nothing about it. But again, just fun. This

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Speaker 3: sweep of the Padres. You were like, oh, things are

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Speaker 3: actually happening, Like this hot streak is legitimately real. Yes,

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Speaker 3: this Rangers team, I feel like that's a lot of

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Speaker 3: shine because they won the World series last year, as

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Speaker 3: you probably should get shined for being defending champions, but

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Speaker 3: they stink. This team is awful. There's no redeeming qualities

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Speaker 3: of this team. The line if that was unstopball last year,

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Speaker 3: has like three good hitters in it. Right now they

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Speaker 3: have no pitching whatsoever. They still have no relievers. They

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Speaker 3: no relievers. Such a docile team right now. I don't

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Speaker 3: Even with our old old friends to gramachers are coming back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize how bad it had actually gotten

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Speaker 2: those are some good players. But then you look at

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Speaker 2: is he real good? I can't tell with him. He

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Speaker 3: Might be real good because like we the Rangers do

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Speaker 3: fact he's doing eve though it's still not even that

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Speaker 3: a ton. But again, there's nothing, there's nothing redeeming about

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Speaker 3: They hope there's a really good chance they were going

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Speaker 3: to sweep back to back series against two teams that

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Speaker 3: going into the year he probably said their playoffs teams.

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Speaker 3: But that was just amazing. And the story it's hard.

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Speaker 3: We haven't really segmented game by game in a while,

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Speaker 3: and it's kind of like just feels weird after this

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Speaker 3: don't know, like I can't even think of a place

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Speaker 2: How about there was I think five different Mets with

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Speaker 2: three or more hits in this game twenty two hits

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Speaker 2: Like what can you remember a time the Mets had

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Speaker 2: five hitters with three or more hits each. That in

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Speaker 2: think at one point to Robbie Grossman, because Robbie Grossman

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Speaker 2: haunts the Mets that I always plays well against every

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Speaker 2: seams like, but he did not waiver. He gave a

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Speaker 2: when the team gives you a what a seven run

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Speaker 2: by any means, and just actually looked like a major

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Speaker 3: Able to hang in there for six innings in a

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Speaker 3: Peterson did something cool in this game, something that I

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Speaker 3: lot more when he was at his best twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: and that was just a very heavy dose and a

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Speaker 3: mix his sinker and his fast ball, give hit his

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Speaker 3: idea that maybe this just always probably is a mental

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Speaker 3: the bottom of the second ending, he could like just

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Speaker 3: got that he'd give up the home run, but nice

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Speaker 3: to just see him kind of ease through it all.

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Speaker 3: Something funny in this game for the for the analytics

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Speaker 3: haters crowd, the non eggs of velocity people. Mark Fiento's

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Speaker 3: had the two hardest hip balls for the Mets in

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Speaker 3: this game at the one hundred and ten hundred and nine,

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Speaker 3: and then then it was a bunch of Rangers with

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Speaker 3: were just then absolute singles machine. And yeah, it's funny,

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Speaker 3: funny how that works out, but still just a great game.

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Speaker 3: I even just looked on Staghead quickly while we did this.

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Speaker 3: Can you guess the last time the Mets had twenty

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Speaker 3: hits in a game? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen?

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Speaker 3: Yes, ooh nineteen? Nice, good guess August twenty nineteen. Who

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Speaker 3: did in Atlanta? In Atlanta in a ten eight games

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Speaker 3: and that's a twenty hits only one by two.

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Speaker 1: That's I see.

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Speaker 2: That feels more like the Mets, not this fourteen too

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Speaker 2: easy win from start to finish.

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Speaker 1: Not used to it?

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Speaker 1: I want to get your.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned that they were scrap or scrapping away. There

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Speaker 2: He could just barely have a legal drink. He's twenty

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Speaker 3: Of the third base spot. When he hit that home

436
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Speaker 3: run on Tuesday, it's one hundred and thirteen miles an hour.

437
00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,480
Speaker 3: A fucking smoke. That smoked, and it was his home

438
00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,200
Speaker 3: run and Nimo home run. I thought both of those

439
00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,920
Speaker 3: home runs were like kind of special for the flow

440
00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,560
Speaker 3: of the game because the Viento's home run was like,

441
00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,080
Speaker 3: coming after the game the night before, It's like, yeah,

442
00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,000
Speaker 3: like fuck you guys, we still got this shit. And

443
00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,520
Speaker 3: then Nimo after the beginning was the moment's like okay,

444
00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,560
Speaker 3: like let's try and come back. We can definitely still

445
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Speaker 3: get back in this game. I don't care that we're

446
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,520
Speaker 3: down six to two, like we can win any game.

447
00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,159
Speaker 3: But those two were big. And I also trying to

448
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Speaker 3: go back to Alvares for a second because I think

449
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Speaker 3: his a bat in the eighth inning was one of

450
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Speaker 3: the best moments from the Mets season so far. I

451
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Speaker 3: want to give us Ny credit for putting out a

452
00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,760
Speaker 3: highlight today. Usually when we put out highlights on baseball

453
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,520
Speaker 3: and anyone doesn't, you just it's a moment you see

454
00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,359
Speaker 3: the hit and the balls and play and the thing happens.

455
00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,000
Speaker 3: But this at bat, it's literally at bat from Alvarez

456
00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,640
Speaker 3: was special, and s n Y posted the full six

457
00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,959
Speaker 3: pitch at bat, six pitch, seven pitch at bat, six

458
00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,800
Speaker 3: to seven pitch at bat that happened in the eighth

459
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,720
Speaker 3: inning with two outs against David Robertson, who's long time reliever,

460
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,360
Speaker 3: he's been around for a million years. We saw last

461
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,359
Speaker 3: your first hand how good he can be still and

462
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,080
Speaker 3: his late thirties out of the bullpen, and we talked

463
00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,720
Speaker 3: about in the off season we were really hyping up

464
00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,280
Speaker 3: Alvarez that he kind of just still has these two

465
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Speaker 3: like problems zones, which is almost every of his problem

466
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Speaker 3: zone the play. Of course, I have a bug right.

467
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Speaker 1: Give a bug right on you.

468
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Speaker 3: It's in here somewhere. I think it's a moth or something.

469
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Speaker 3: I'll get in and me in the room. It's summer,

470
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,800
Speaker 3: it's always gonna be bugs around, but problem zones for Alvarez,

471
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Speaker 3: for most bather's basically league's gonna be up in low

472
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Speaker 3: and away, and it's kind of like up to you

473
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Speaker 3: to see how much you can lay off those pitches

474
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Speaker 3: that are outside the zone. And wait for the pitch

475
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Speaker 3: to make a mistake and just not like kind of

476
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 3: get yourself out and not chase pitches that are you looking.

477
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,240
Speaker 3: You're gonna think you're gonna be in tho zones, but

478
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,480
Speaker 3: find the way out of it. And David Roberson was

479
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Speaker 3: just obsessed with throwing Alvarez loan away low and away,

480
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 3: low and away, low and away. First pitch, Loana away,

481
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,720
Speaker 3: second pitch, Loan away, and then I think it was

482
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Speaker 3: the third pitch of the at bat where he nabbed

483
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Speaker 3: the corner with a fastball, probably an inch outside ball. Yeah,

484
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 3: you look on you look on the illustrator afterwards, there's

485
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Speaker 3: an inch out side. Alvarez not being paudy, not being bitchy,

486
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 3: he goes back to the umpire he like says strike,

487
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Speaker 3: like got the outside corner, Like was it high low?

488
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Speaker 3: And as was like got the corner whatever, So Avres looked,

489
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Speaker 3: he back nodded. He goes okay, and then he comes

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Speaker 3: back for the next pitch and he moves like an

491
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Speaker 3: inch and a half two inches close to the plate

492
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Speaker 3: and he was like, if I have to cover that

493
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Speaker 3: part of the strike zone, He's like, just do that.

494
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Speaker 3: And I've seen four pitches down there, I really doubt

495
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Speaker 3: the four fifty six seven pitches of the at bats.

496
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Speaker 3: Now he's gonna start coming into me. So then once

497
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Speaker 3: he does that, I think he fouls off another one,

498
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Speaker 3: and then he lets a really nice curveball go by

499
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Speaker 3: that just misses his own there. So now it's three

500
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Speaker 3: two and he's like he's just he's at that point,

501
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Speaker 3: I think Dave Alvarez is just guessing dead red. He

502
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 3: gets the fastball against a little too much play, he

503
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Speaker 3: yanks in the gap, and the Mets TIY game come

504
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Speaker 3: all the way back. I'm laughing because I just saw

505
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Speaker 3: what you wrote it in as in the notes. So

506
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Speaker 3: it's Alvarez at bat versus Robertson. Was sex.

507
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Speaker 4: I like that.

508
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 3: Now there's like a new segment where like I I

509
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 3: got the bug, he got the bug, he got away,

510
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Speaker 3: still live, I got got oh shown it on camera

511
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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 2: For those of you on YouTube, you can see a

513
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Speaker 2: dead bug if you're interested in that content. That's what

514
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Speaker 2: you get on the Mets the podcast YouTube channel dead Bugs.

515
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Speaker 3: But it was it was straight sex. I spent from

516
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Speaker 3: a guy who's twenty two years old, who just didn't

517
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Speaker 3: play for almost two months to come back in against

518
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Speaker 3: one of one of the better relievers of our generator.

519
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Speaker 3: I'm being a little bit hyperbolic there, but of course, yeah,

520
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 3: from the last ten years, Like, how many relievers were

521
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Speaker 3: actually better than David Roberson I for this long time,

522
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Speaker 3: I don't know know how many relievers hanging out for

523
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Speaker 3: fifteen years, Almost no one. But it was just amazing,

524
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Speaker 3: Like he out he outsmart that someone's been the lead

525
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 3: for almost twenty years, fifteen years.

526
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Speaker 1: No, he was. It was phenomenal.

527
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Speaker 2: It was great, And of course Peter Lonzo then gets

528
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Speaker 2: the big hit Reed, Garrett does his job in the eighth, edwin,

529
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Speaker 2: Diaz closed the door in the ninth, and the Mets win,

530
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Speaker 2: which was I think a huge game, a huge win.

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Speaker 2: You don't like to say huge wins early in the season,

532
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Speaker 2: but I think, even just from a moral standpoint, I

533
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Speaker 2: think that's a game that the Mets can look back

534
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: on and be like, that's when shit changed almost And

535
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Speaker 2: I know they lost the next game, so it sounds

536
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 2: a little bit weird to say that, but even the

537
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Speaker 2: way that they lost Game three, I wasn't mad.

538
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

539
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: Like giving up the home run to LOOTI Tovaris sucks

540
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: and like Drew Smith has a home run problem, there's

541
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: for sure a home run problem, but like you're going

542
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: to lose baseball games, and I felt like this was

543
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Speaker 2: a loss rather than the Mets like inability to be

544
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Speaker 2: a major league baseball team.

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Speaker 3: I think also most of us felt that loss coming

546
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 3: for sure Tuesday. Just Away Grim's memes went ballistic on Monday,

547
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Speaker 3: and just the way the team got twenty three hits

548
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Speaker 3: and sixteen runs, I forget that whatever it was. You're

549
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 3: just like, all right, this is the game.

550
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 4: You just lose.

551
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 3: There's been the law of averages come back, but the

552
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 3: and it did feel like that for through two thirds

553
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: of the game. Then to come back was like, oh

554
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: now we might just never lose again. But losing the

555
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: game once it kind of sucked just because it felt winnable.

556
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Speaker 3: But you're not that mad to lose it just based

557
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: on how often you've been winning and how you've been winning.

558
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Speaker 3: I think Minaya again, it's just it's it's like the

559
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 3: same song and dance with them every single time out,

560
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: like watching his stars at Pure Groundhogs that he did

561
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 3: do a lot of different things in this start where

562
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 3: he threw higher percentage of colors than he's throw and

563
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 3: then you start this year and that he just he

564
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 3: had that color moving. It had a little more horizontal

565
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: break than usual, and they kept the same velocity, so

566
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Speaker 3: it might have been a little more oomf on that pitch,

567
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Speaker 3: did you.

568
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Speaker 2: Know which what he said after the game about the

569
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Speaker 2: game plan after the first inning, apparently he was trying

570
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Speaker 2: to be too cute and like hitting corners and they

571
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: were just like, throw the ball down the middle because

572
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Speaker 2: everything was moving out of the zone and causing balls,

573
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Speaker 2: and he was like, I'm I feel like I'm throwing

574
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Speaker 2: a good pitch. So they're like, throw the ball down

575
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Speaker 2: the middle and it's gonna move to where you wanted

576
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Speaker 2: to go, And that was kind of the big difference maker.

577
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Speaker 3: That's funny because I just pulled up the the pitch

578
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Speaker 3: chart of this game, and if you look at his

579
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Speaker 3: pitches were it basically either got tons of played or

580
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: were not in the strike zone. So yeah, that was

581
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: basically it. But I was a little part of me

582
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 3: was really hoping he's gonna carry this no Hither deep

583
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 3: and we were gonna just have like no hither grimace

584
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: rather ic like the mess good throwing team no hither

585
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Speaker 3: on Wednesday, like that it would have been fever pitch

586
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: like said, oh there would have been vulnerable, especially when

587
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: often it would been grimas tattoos like everywhere in the city.

588
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 3: Like I don't even know what else would have been

589
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: going on for it. But it's so weird that he

590
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 3: had such a bad first inning, loaded the bases, hit

591
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 3: a hit home, hit a batther to bring home a run,

592
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Speaker 3: and he kept them no hitter through the fifth and

593
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Speaker 3: then just like clockwork, every single start at Manaya, he

594
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: just unravels the third time through the order. And we

595
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Speaker 3: touched on this actually a little bit with Lance coming

596
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Speaker 3: up later. So not gonna divulge on the lot. Butmana

597
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: is just a guy who doesn't like I'm not It's

598
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Speaker 3: not like that his stuff isn't good, and it's not

599
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Speaker 3: that he doesn't have stamina, but it's just that he

600
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Speaker 3: he only knows how to get Hithers out like kind

601
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Speaker 3: of one way.

602
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Speaker 1: Yes, so like as.

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Speaker 3: You keep seeing it concepts of pitch okay, which you

604
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 3: gotta talking about Lance a little bit some like a

605
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: theory that he's been working on. It's just like how

606
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: many times you can get hits out basically the same way,

607
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: like and know where the pitch is. It's a little

608
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 3: bit uncomfortable at first. Second time you're like, okay, I

609
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: think I got a hanging. This third time, like I

610
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: know exactly what's gonna happen, and now go to hit it.

611
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Speaker 3: And that's what happened.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, he I'll say he dogged through it though, to

614
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: get five and two thirty ok through. I think he

615
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: threw thirty two pitches in the first inning, which is

616
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Speaker 2: somebody abhorren.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty bad. No, it was in the thirties. It

618
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Speaker 1: was in the thirties.

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Speaker 2: Like, So to get through almost six innings. We'll get there, Sean,

620
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Speaker 2: and I will get there. We'll get to six.

621
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Speaker 1: Innings one day with you.

622
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Speaker 3: I think that was okay. It's eleven out of the

623
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Speaker 3: fourteen starts this year, man, I has not gone six innings.

624
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing that did concern me a little bit though,

625
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Speaker 1: was Sean reed Foley, did you match his v loos?

626
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Speaker 3: It seems like he's probably heard Sean major down. Yeah,

627
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: he was down by three miles an hour across the

628
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Speaker 3: board usually sits ninety five ninety six, and he was

629
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Speaker 3: ninety one ninety three in this, and he's usually a

630
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Speaker 3: guy who just Pepper's fastball sixty seventy percent fastballs and

631
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Speaker 3: starts this.

632
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Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure you were radioing today. Were you

633
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: a radio guy for this one?

634
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Speaker 3: Was TV to that?

635
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

636
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: Did you catch Keith and Gary talking about like immediately

637
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: they're like, something looks off with him, and then they

638
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,239
Speaker 2: cut to Hefner who's talking to the head trainer, and

639
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: they were talking very intently about.

640
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: What was going on.

641
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: So we're like, oh, everybody sees something, but not concerned

642
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: enough to go check on him like this, I'm.

643
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: A little bit confused, especially with men on base, and

644
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: they kept happening, and he did get out of it.

645
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: He actually threw some nice change ups where I was like,

646
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: changes were good. Yeah, Like if he if he actually

647
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 3: has that pitch like that, that's a whole new web

648
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 3: rikle for him. Because he also didn't throw a slider

649
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: in this one. So I was just like, this is

650
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: it felt weird? I felt like something's wrong. So you

651
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Speaker 3: might get the il since tomorrow, which also makes it

652
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Speaker 3: much more annoing that ded Neil Nunias wasn't available. I'm

653
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: not gonna really say anything shitt about dead Neil Nunia

654
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 3: because he's been in godsend this this uh leaves this

655
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: month in this ballpen. But a science infection, dude come up.

656
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: And I've had some really bad science infections. I lived

657
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: with two dvad septems. I am not professional athlete and

658
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: never will be. I never had an opportunity to be.

659
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: I never even was close, of course, But just like,

660
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, I had just have to be a

661
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: fucking bad science affection. And now he's gonna get in

662
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: a plane. It's gonna make a lot worse.

663
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: I feel like the last time I had a sinuce

664
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: infection was a couple of years ago, and I will

665
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: say I went like full baby mode and I was

666
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: just like, I'm not doing anything for like three days.

667
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It feels like it could be

668
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: tough to pitch with it.

669
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: It probably definitely is, but like Folly might be hurt,

670
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know for all.

671
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: That part sucks.

672
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 3: The worst part about the science faction. I get them

673
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: all the time. They're the worst, But before you really

674
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: feel it, you blow your nose and you see the

675
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 3: green snot really green, The green snot is like that's

676
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: the thing like when you have that green stot, that's

677
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: the infection.

678
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: Really, I feel like I have green snot all the time.

679
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: You might just have some infections in there.

680
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: Really I'm infected.

681
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: But like it's green, Like there's no like, there's no

682
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 3: there's no miscategorizing the green. It's not like a pale green.

683
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: It's fucking green.

684
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 1: You do it, next time you do it, let me know.

685
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll throw you a snapshot out this because I

686
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: think she's like scared science affection. So every time she

687
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: blows her nose, she'll reopen the tissue and just look

688
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: at it, and I hate it. Screaming her every single.

689
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: Time just throws through out the podcast people, so our behavior.

690
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 4: I don't care.

691
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 3: I'll was my sister of the podcast people. She knows

692
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: she deserves it for that one. There was another moment

693
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: in this game that I didn't notice on TV, but

694
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: I just saw on Twitter from a like an MLB

695
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 3: memer Calico Joe. It was in at bat between Alvarez

696
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: and Langford when I think it was still and I

697
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: struck out. Langford and Alvres had a nice frame job

698
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: on a pitch that was out of the zone. Umpire

699
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: was inconsistent to be really nice, Yeah, very inconsistent. The

700
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: Drew Smith inning and de Sean Rifolians. They could have

701
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: got out of them if they got some calls that

702
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: looked like they were where he was calling strikes. But yeah, nevertheless,

703
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: and Alvarez basically told him, like politely, like, hey, I

704
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: BET's over, get out of here, do you really and

705
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: then Langford goes, I want to find the exact Langford goes,

706
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: that's a ball, motherfucker. Oh yeah. So that was an

707
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 3: interesting it was. It was a little moment there.

708
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: I mean, what like four years older than Alvarez probably so,

709
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: I think about two.

710
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: But he also said he said that's a ball. That's

711
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: a ball, and he turned his head away from Alvarez

712
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: and then said, motherfucker. Oh real, Nick Sieriani, move, yeah, exactly,

713
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 3: very Nick Sirianni move. Stock is down on ya a Langford.

714
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: Although we did drinks and we hit his first home

715
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: run out of the state, and that was also wrong

716
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 2: was a Seanrie Foley inning.

717
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: So that was where they had met on base and

718
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: we're still losing. But just a nice little cooi moment

719
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: from two two elite youngsters going back.

720
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: And forth, Yes, very very talented sucks that we couldn't

721
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: hit Andrew Hey. I knew that was gonna happen. I

722
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: knew we weren't gonna touch Andrew Hey because we never do.

723
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 3: Finally, he hasn't even been that bad this year compared

724
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: to what he usually is.

725
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: The game been Sean and Iya, haven't they been the

726
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: same picture?

727
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've talked about I think going into the game,

728
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: it was the same amount of innings, the same men

729
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: of strikeouts.

730
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: It was same whip samra.

731
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, same whip Samyray, all that shit, exactly the same.

732
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's funny. It's just this is the first

733
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: year that everyone's not obsessed with Andrewhini being like this

734
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: the Andrewhini breakout year. Now he's just like he's like

735
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: I have before two ra. I'm trying. I'm alright, yeah,

736
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: like I'm just hanging out. I'm kind of keeping this

737
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: whole thing afloat. But yeah, just just I mean, we

738
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: were so high after Tuesday that this loss didn't feel

739
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: that bad, even though it's a very winnable game and

740
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: literally various hits, a game winning home run when he

741
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: was I'm not kidding this. I think it was. I

742
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: read it, wrote it down to my World the world

743
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: blurb tonight. I'll tell you the exact number. I believe

744
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: it was one for fifty three this month.

745
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: I gotta say, though, Gary and Keith were unreal negative

746
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: with Leody Tavaris this entire season, Like it felt like

747
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: every time they came up, they're like, this guy can't

748
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: hit for anything. And then when he came up in

749
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: that and they're like, Leo Tavares hitting two ten, this guy,

750
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: oh man, he hasn't done anything. I was like, please,

751
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: for the love of God, stop Drew smith as and

752
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: he gives up nukes.

753
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: Three for fifty three this month before that home run,

754
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: Leoly Tavares, whatever, you won a series.

755
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: We won a series.

756
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: Can't really complain about it. Pretty good stuff going on

757
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: in Mets World.

758
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: Now.

759
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: One thing that's not great going on Mets World. Willie

760
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: May has passed away on Tuesday. Keith that was like

761
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: his player growing up out in the Bay Area, got

762
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: really choked up. And even though neither of us got

763
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: to watch Willie May's play, I did get that weird,

764
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: that weird feeling that you get when like someone you

765
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: know passes away but you're like not crying.

766
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how to explain it, but.

767
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: It did feel very like Somber getting that news, even

768
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: though he was like a ninety three year old man

769
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: who hadn't been necessarily doing well.

770
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it sucks because he has such a

771
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: connection to the city of New York, the Mets organization

772
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: for one thing. That's Retire's number of the old Timer's day,

773
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: like an old promise to Joan Pace and how we

774
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: loved him. But he was so intertwined in New York

775
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: culture for so long, playing all those years in the Giants.

776
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: I believe, winning a championship with the Giants, or at

777
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: least many pendants with the Giants. Hit Rookie of the

778
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: Year with the Giants, Oh yeah, the catch that was

779
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: the championship nineteen fifty four, his first MVP with the Giants.

780
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: He was up in Harlem forever, him Manty Irvin and

781
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 3: I have the other name here him Monte Irvin and

782
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: Hank Thompson with the Giants for the first black outfield,

783
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: all black outfield ever in the history of baseball in Harlem.

784
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: I also heard another story. My dad told me today

785
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: that after they won the nineteen fifty four World Series.

786
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: You get a bonus for that. Baseball players didn't make

787
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: a lot of money back then, so Willie Mays and

788
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 3: Monty Irvin opened up a liquor store in Harlem, and

789
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: they ran that liquor store together while the team was

790
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: still there.

791
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: That's so crazy, that's awesome.

792
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: It's amazing.

793
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: But like he was just he was such a beloved

794
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: figure in baseball history. Like, say, hey, kid, that story

795
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: I read today came from when he first came up.

796
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: He was like, at the same time, very shy and

797
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: very social, so he didn't really want to like talk

798
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: to report this very much. So he would always just

799
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: like I'd be like, say hey, they'd be like, say hey, kid,

800
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: that's him, just fine out.

801
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: Everyone loved him, yeah, and just straight up one of

802
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: the best players, if not the best player to ever

803
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: play Major League baseball six hundred and sixty home runs

804
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: a career ops at nine point forty. He missed basically

805
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: a year and a half dude to military service too,

806
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: so we could have seen seven hundred plus home runs

807
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: from this guy. Like he was just on another level

808
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: in a time too where you gotta remember the color

809
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: barrier had just been broken a few years earlier. So

810
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: an African American player playing major League baseball, dominating it,

811
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: playing it in a.

812
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: Different way than a lot of players were used to.

813
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: Because we talked about this on the on MB network today,

814
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: like Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier, but had to

815
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: play the game like technically the right way because he

816
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: was the first. There was a lot of pressure on him,

817
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: a lot of eyes on him. William Mays kind of

818
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: brought what they said was the Negro league attitude to

819
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: major League baseball, something that they had never really seen,

820
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: and changed how the game was played. Basket catches over

821
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: the shoulder, running around the bases, bafflips like whatever it

822
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: was he brought, that'skwag. He brought that energy, changed the

823
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: game of baseball and truly is one of the Mount

824
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 2: Rushmore baseball.

825
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: He's on it totally. I wouldn't argue, and I think

826
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: I've told you this. We've had like these arguments at

827
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: like rock Roll at two o'clock in the morning. I

828
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: think Willie makes the greatest player ever because like there's

829
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: so many mitigetting factors that make me think he's the best.

830
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: Missing those two full years of his prime is twenty one,

831
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: twenty two year old, seasons to go fight in the

832
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: Korean War. The year he came back, he had for

833
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: the home runs, hit three fifty, won the World Series

834
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: and won the MVP Award, and he had he's had

835
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: play baseball for two years and he did that. And

836
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: apparently he was playing in military league's in Korea with

837
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: the United States Army and he was doing and that's

838
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: where he learned the basket catch, which is really funny.

839
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: Oh that's what he says, and that he was the

840
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: first guy the usher in this insane era of the

841
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: sixties and seventies where stolen bases became so damn cool.

842
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: And if you track Willie May's in his prime and

843
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 3: when he got really good in the late fifties New

844
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: York and San Francisco, and then you think about when

845
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: like just the way that how big of a sport

846
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: that baseball was in the black communities in baseball in

847
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: the sixties, seventies, eighties. Black participation in baseball peaked nineteen

848
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: eighty one. So those kids who were coming up in

849
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty one, say they were twenty four years old,

850
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: they were seven years old, seventeen years before in nineteen

851
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: sixty nineties. In the sixties when Willie Mays was crushing

852
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: and he was the best player in baseball doing insane

853
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: things and also pushing the Willie Mays the greatest player

854
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: of all time narrative. He had six hundred and sixty

855
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: home runs. He was playing in the Polo Grounds. Yeah,

856
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: not that five hundred feet to straight Away Center and

857
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: Candlestick Park, which is every single game he played was

858
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: fifty degrees outside. Not fun to hill Keeps was telling

859
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: a story in the broadcast that Willie was really good

860
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: at finding the jet stream and like his swing to

861
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: pull the balls hype in the air as he could

862
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: as much as he could so it would get up

863
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: in the wins in San Francisco and like go out

864
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: that way. He did have some crazy home run seasons

865
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: when Candlestick Park opened in the early sixties. Yeah, he

866
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: fifty two with a forty nine. He had a forty seven,

867
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: three hundred career batting average. But to be that close

868
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: to Babe Ruth and home runs at this time in

869
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: history while missing two years of your prime, and then

870
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 3: also to be that close to Hank Aaron home runs

871
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: when he had two thousand less play appearances than him,

872
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: almost three thousand less play appearances, this end missing two

873
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: years of his prime and playing in two of the

874
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: biggest pitcher parks of the era. It's just while being

875
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: arguably the greatest defensive player ever and the first real,

876
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: true like power speed threat the league ever ever saw.

877
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: It's there's a lot of arguments, a lot more arguments

878
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: that he's the best player of all time than a

879
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: lot of other guys.

880
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: Totally, I'm here for it. He's he's the godfather to

881
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: the guy I considered the best player of all time,

882
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds. Yeah, yeah, knew that that was his godfather.

883
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: Him and his dad were really good friends. Like that's

884
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: that's crazy int of it itself. But rest in peace.

885
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: Willie May's one of the greatest ever do it wish?

886
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: I wish I could have met that guy one time.

887
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: I know I would give you one more minute for

888
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: super William May. Willie May started his career one for

889
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: twenty five whoa not to play and the one hit

890
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: was a home round off Warren Spahn.

891
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: Jesus.

892
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was so insecure by hitting major league

893
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: pitching when he came up that he told the Giants

894
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: general manager. He didn't think he was ready, and they

895
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: were like, you don't have a choice. You're coming to

896
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 3: the major leagues and it's really good. He was playing

897
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 3: professional baseball and he was literally still in high school.

898
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: It's for the Birmingham Black Bearons, right, yeah, because his

899
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 3: dad was a player Indiger Leagues in the same league,

900
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: and he knew the coach. And it was like apparently

901
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: a major point of contention with him in his high

902
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: school that he was playing professional baseball and traveling with

903
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: the team. So he would travel with the team for

904
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: a week and to come back and do a week

905
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: of school and go back and forth like that, And

906
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: it took him an extra year to graduate high school

907
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: because of that, and he got barred from playing high

908
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: school sports because he was a standout quarterback and basketball player,

909
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: because of course he was, and they were like, you

910
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 3: can't play anymore, and he was like, what the hell.

911
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: And another super cool fact about William Mays first ever

912
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 3: played and make a hundred thousand dollars playing baseball in

913
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: a year? Whoa first ever one hundred k salary?

914
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: Shout out William Mays change in the game more than

915
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: I even knew.

916
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: It was the man dude was the man rip, but

917
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: that is going to be it for the regular part

918
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: of this episode. We are now going to switch it

919
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: on over to our Cubs preview with Lance Brosdowski. So

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00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: hope you guys enjoy.

921
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: All Right, Mets fans, we have a very special guest

922
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: this week helping us with the Cubs preview. It's Lance Brosdowski,

923
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: Lance Bras on Twitter, someone who's been very active on

924
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: social media. It's great pitching recaps. YouTube channel is incredible.

925
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: Someone with Mark and I have known for a wild

926
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: want to have a mom but Lance really excited you

927
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: here joining us.

928
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, guys, is gonna be fun.

929
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: So I think, just from hearing another podcast signing your

930
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: DM sometimes talking about pitching, you might have one of

931
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: the most unique jobs in all of baseball media. If

932
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: you want to just take them in here and explain

933
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: to our listeners what your role is and what you do.

934
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, my role is very interesting. I'm a

935
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: player development analyst with Marque Sports Networks, not with the

936
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 4: Cubs itself, but my job is essentially I have my

937
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 4: own like breakdowns on air for our pregame shows here

938
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: on our R sent I do those like two to

939
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 4: three times a week. I'm on air with whoever our

940
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: talent is in. So like we have Cliff Floyd and Today,

941
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 4: which which lines up well being on a mental podcast. Today.

942
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 4: He's a great dude, and it's really fun to communicate

943
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: like analytics with him and because he listens, like he's

944
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: super open to considering my nerd perspective and then telling

945
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 4: me I'm wrong, which makes it really television most of

946
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 4: the time. So yeah, that's like two times a week.

947
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: We also do a lot of minor league coverature. We

948
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 4: have like a live show and some other pre produced

949
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 4: thirty minute shows that I contribute to following a lot

950
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: of the Cubs Procket prospects, and but a lot of

951
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 4: my other job is video editing, like helping out with

952
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 4: our our pre post game shows from a video editing perspective.

953
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: Again primarily more you know, advanced stuff, talking to talent,

954
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: thinking about like would have got change in the given start.

955
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: And then outside of that, I have like my own

956
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: brand so to speak. You know, you guys mentioned the

957
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: YouTube channel. I have a substack some other things. I'm

958
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 4: just trying to grow and diversify because I think I

959
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: got way too siloed on Twitter, and as ship has

960
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 4: started to combust, he realized that you got you gotta

961
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: move elsewhere. I wish I did it three years ago,

962
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: but you can't. I guess I can't really buying myself

963
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 4: with that. I just gotta get going and push the

964
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 4: other channels. So that's where that.

965
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've been watching a YouTube channel for a

966
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: while now because James and another friend, Bengal were like

967
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: really hip to stuff very quickly, and I started watching.

968
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: And I've learned a lot just from watching your videos.

969
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: Where exactly did you get all this from? Like we

970
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: call it we joke and James is the pitching whisper

971
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: on the podcast. We just go for him for pitching stuff.

972
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: But then I hear you talking like, oh man, it

973
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: feels like James doesn't know anything, Like.

974
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: It's true number one, no no chance, no chance. Yeah,

975
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 4: I mean I have a lot of cool people that

976
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 4: I met over the last couple of years. I did

977
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: some video editing for Drive Line Baseball, which obviously most

978
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: people know. I was like a remote video editor for them.

979
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: Right after the pandemic. I was like stitching together rapsoto

980
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: track man and editor etratronic footage. So it's like a

981
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 4: really nerdy position, but I did it for like a

982
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 4: couple months, Like they just needed someone just to help

983
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 4: on the video editing side. I had that background, but

984
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 4: that gave me a really good exposure to a lot

985
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 4: of people who are now in major league orgs, and

986
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: also just built up raport with a lot a lot

987
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: of guys that are still at Driveline, and also just

988
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: built some cred from like a I could read a

989
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 4: track Man report in a Rhapsoda report. So that's just

990
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: allowed the communication to really flow whenever I talked to coaches.

991
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: That's been my main like thing that I've enjoyed. I

992
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 4: remember when I came out of like grad school for journalism,

993
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 4: which is where I kind of pivoted into this industry.

994
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 4: I like wanted to be Ken Rosenhal on break news,

995
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: and man, I just no offense to agents. I just

996
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 4: didn't enjoy talking to agents. Like I was at the

997
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 4: combine the other day and I met two really cool agents.

998
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 4: I swear I'm not singling them out because I actually

999
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: think I might stay in touch with them, but I

1000
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: just anytime I got on those calls, I was just

1001
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 4: like I felt like I was wasting their time because

1002
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 4: you know, I wasn't gonna ask them like what they

1003
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: thought of, you know, low ride foreseen trends in baseball.

1004
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: Like I just wanted them to tell me who they

1005
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 4: were signing, who was signing where it was very transactional.

1006
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: And then I realized, like I was more motivated to

1007
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 4: talk to the coaches, you know, like pick their brains

1008
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: on larger trends in the league, what they're doing with guys,

1009
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: why they're doing it with guys, And that's I think

1010
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: just really fed and bubbled up to a lot of

1011
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: the major league stuff I do. I love looking like

1012
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: every night, I mean most people have a process for

1013
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: like box score looking right, like you guys probably have

1014
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: it too, you know, you sit down, it's like, let's

1015
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: just see what happened around the league. I do that

1016
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 4: every night, but I do it purely on the pitchers

1017
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: that through and I just dig through guys and it's

1018
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: like I just think about what they're doing differently, why

1019
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: they did it, what the matchups are is a matchup

1020
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 4: baser is an actual trend and then I just aggregate

1021
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: all that and it's it's great because like when you

1022
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: guys pull me on this pod and I'm like looking

1023
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 4: at your starters. I'll like to go back to my

1024
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: substack and like just type in the names and see

1025
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: what I wrote. And it's like immediately I'm a clicks.

1026
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh yeah, cool, Like Megal not throwing a

1027
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 4: lot of fastball fastbas getting beat up against left is

1028
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 4: like I wonder if he drops the usage there, it's

1029
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: like click, got it? You know. So it's like accumulating

1030
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 4: all that info and being able to regurgitate. It's really

1031
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 4: become I guess my brand is some extent, which I'm

1032
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 4: very happy with.

1033
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: It definitely has become your brand. And like exactly what

1034
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: you just said. I really wanted to ask you. I

1035
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: wrote down in my very abbreviated notes for this, but

1036
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: you're probably better than anybody in the baseball space right

1037
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: now at getting these niche granular pitching stats quick, like

1038
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: in the game, Like I'll be on the mound and

1039
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: you'll talk about something that's changing, and I really want

1040
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: to know, like what is your in game data set up?

1041
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: Like what are your tabs open? Like what do you have?

1042
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: Is like what spreadsheets, what pages, what websites? Or is

1043
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: that all just in your brain.

1044
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 4: No, come on now, Uh, it's this. So there's a

1045
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 4: site that a lot of teams have contracts with called

1046
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: True Media that has been a huge asset to me.

1047
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 4: I mean they were cool enough. I like, how did

1048
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 4: them for years because they have live like in game

1049
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: short form movement, which is just how I digest pitching

1050
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 4: the best and a lot of people do in Major

1051
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: League Baseball and in player velpment side as well. And

1052
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: I'm waiting for it. I know it's coming on Savann.

1053
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: I've talked to Patrial about this. They're going to replace.

1054
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're going to replace the long

1055
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: form stuff you see, but they've gotten a lot of

1056
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 4: feedback from players who go to Savann or like I

1057
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 4: don't understand what you know? Minus twenty four inches drop

1058
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 4: is on my slider, Like I'm used to seeing it

1059
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 4: as three IVB or negative three iv B, you know.

1060
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 4: So like they're gonna make that flip eventually, and then

1061
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: I think I'll just probably end up using Savant, but

1062
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: for now and last week is like it just hasn't

1063
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: been something that's accessible. So Truevidy was cool enough to

1064
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 4: just give me like a comp subscription and that's my

1065
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 4: main tool. Honestly, I love their heat maps. It's super

1066
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: sortable and intuitive, you know usage, I just get it

1067
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 4: all really quick. So I mean that's my main That's

1068
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 4: one of the loan tabs I have up that MLB.

1069
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 4: I'll rip fangraps. I have a big Excel doc that's

1070
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: drive line stuff plus model, which I really like they've

1071
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: updated a bit and played around. There's also like a

1072
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 4: command metric in there, which helps me because that that

1073
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: there command metric factors in intent, which is really cool.

1074
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: So it's not just like is this pitch in the

1075
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: optimal spot? It's like is this guy throwing to a

1076
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: location that we think he was trying to hit on

1077
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 4: this given pitch. So I'd say those are like my

1078
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 4: main things. Like it's not crazy diverse, and honestly, when

1079
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 4: I like sit down and watch a game late, like

1080
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: I'll get out late and I'll go home and just

1081
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 4: throw on like whatever West Coast game's going on. Yeah,

1082
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 4: most of the time, I'm not even really second screening

1083
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 4: that experience. Like I'm so you know, I've been second

1084
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 4: screening the whole day at work that it's like that

1085
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: is just like, let me see what the Dodgers are

1086
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 4: doing and like it's really like fifth any plus, Like

1087
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: I don't need to pull up you know, Ryan Yarborough's

1088
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 4: what he's doing. Like, you know, I'm just having fun

1089
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: of just enjoying stuff.

1090
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: I like that you have, like the work baseball and

1091
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: then your relaxation baseball. Yeah, it's like West Coast from

1092
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: in the chill out.

1093
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: Watching Ryan Yarborough pitch relaxing.

1094
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 4: That's relaxing. Yes, that's so cool.

1095
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 3: You have that true media. I've been trying to wheel

1096
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: my way into one of those for years.

1097
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: Consumer product because I get asked all the time it's

1098
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 4: like where you get these plots, and it's like, I

1099
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: don't know how you can get them. Honestly, I guess

1100
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 4: you gotta work for a team or like the guy

1101
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: who runs the company for four years.

1102
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: Because it's like that minor league stack cast. I'm just like, oh,

1103
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: there's so much in there. I could do so much

1104
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 3: of that. I just try to just whidtle my way in.

1105
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 4: But one day, no doubt so.

1106
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: Speaking about pitching and more so with the Cubs here

1107
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: for the series preview, the pitching matchups we got coming

1108
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: up against with the Cubs guys we're gonna see Shota,

1109
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna see Jameson, Tyon, We're gonna see Avier Asade. Shota,

1110
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: I think we'll talk a little bit more on his

1111
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: own here. But guys like Tyane and Asad, I think

1112
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: Mets fans when they watch these guys pitch, probably aren't

1113
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: going to be particularly impressed by the stuff. Not throwing

1114
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: ninety nine, not having the crazies move by any means.

1115
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: But yet you look at their numbers and they're both

1116
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: guys that youre's are hovering right around three. What has

1117
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: made them so successful this year that has maybe not

1118
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: been the same in the past.

1119
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cubs are an interesting team, I think in terms

1120
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: of what they value at the major league level, and

1121
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 4: I'm not even really sure if it's what they value

1122
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 4: and whether if it's just a matter of like optimizing

1123
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 4: what they have. So to speak. They throw a lot

1124
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: of fastballs. I think they're like fourth in baseball in

1125
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 4: terms of force seam sinker usage combined as an org.

1126
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: They just throw a lot of fastballs. So like all

1127
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 4: of their starters are gonna have on fastballs. You know,

1128
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 4: Tye Own's a guy that last year when he came over,

1129
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: you know, he started throwing forcing cutters in and then

1130
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: he got he got crushed in April and May. That's

1131
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: were terrible. So he just moved everything to the outer

1132
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: through of the play versus lefties in particular. And then

1133
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: now you're starting to see the league move back against

1134
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 4: him where they're starting to cover that away forceeam and cutter,

1135
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: Like he just tries to back door everything and then

1136
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 4: I'll go like curveball down in and I wonder whether

1137
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: he's going to kind of move back to those inside

1138
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 4: locations eventually. If you look at when he was successful

1139
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: as a Yankee, he was much more pitching inside. So

1140
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: I've been monitoring that with him. He's tough versus rities though,

1141
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 4: because he's got a good sweeper. Now since he came

1142
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 4: to the Cubs, you know, he's run into a lot

1143
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: of variants. I it's a weird situation because I feel

1144
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: like this happens with a couple of Cubs guys, Like

1145
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: they have peripherals that aren't as great as the results.

1146
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: And I don't know if they're just really good a

1147
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: game planning or a variety of other things. But you know,

1148
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 4: I gotta give him credit. Like Asad's a great one,

1149
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: like there's we always throw up leederboards on the broadcast

1150
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 4: where it's like e ra in the last was the

1151
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 4: year I since like twenty twenty one, and it's like Kershawn,

1152
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 4: like Javier Asad Cup like it's one of those like

1153
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: trivia things you're just never gonna get, Like even I

1154
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: would get it. If you give me, let me guess

1155
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 4: the top five. I would guess like all the big dogs.

1156
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: I wouldn't guess Javirasad, but his last couple of starts

1157
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: haven't been that good. He's he's this mold of pitcher

1158
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 4: that I think we're seeing a little bit more of

1159
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: where it's a righty who has like a sinker sweeper,

1160
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: throws that a lot to righties, and then when you

1161
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 4: flip to lefties, it's like five pitches fifteen percent or more.

1162
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: It's like I don't want to call it like a

1163
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: kitchen sink because he's not throwing everything to either handedness

1164
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 4: like Merril Kelly's maybe more kitchen sink where it's like

1165
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: I'm throwing four or five pitches to either handedness a

1166
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 4: guy but with his side it's like single sweeper, and

1167
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 4: then lefties it's like I'll throw everything. And then he

1168
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 4: also splits locations on stuff, so he'll go like cut

1169
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 4: her in and out, and he'll go like sinker front

1170
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: hip and away. And it's like at that point you're

1171
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 4: looking at like almost six seven pitches in terms of

1172
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 4: if you want to look at it from a location perspective,

1173
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 4: you know. So like he's a really interesting guy in

1174
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 4: that respect, and I think to some extent that's allowed

1175
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: him to really push and just do a better job

1176
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: on the production standpoint and maybe mitigate some of the

1177
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: risks that eventually he's started to run into now where

1178
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 4: guys are starting to cover the inner third sinker. We'll

1179
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 4: see where he goes from that. I think it's I

1180
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: think he's a little regression proof because he has enough

1181
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 4: to go to outside of the current mix. Like if

1182
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 4: something's not working, he's got four of the pitches he

1183
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: could play around with location usage on. They do a

1184
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: good job here. I mean, I think they got some

1185
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 4: smart people on the pitching side, and they just gone

1186
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: results from guys that I honestly didn't think they get

1187
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 4: results from.

1188
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: Weirdly, the Cubs seem like they've gone through this organizational change,

1189
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: like whether it was just like finding market value or

1190
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: just like finding a new way to get through development

1191
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 3: where this whole rotation no one really throws the fastball

1192
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 3: over ninety five miles. Now you look at Justin Steele,

1193
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: who for years now even more so than this side.

1194
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: I know we're not seeing steel in the series, but

1195
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: he's he's so crafty with different fastballs and different slide

1196
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: there's and let him side tye own showed that we're

1197
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: gonna talk about a little bit. They do so much

1198
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: with command more than stuff, which is the way the

1199
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: rest of baseball's gone. Do you think there's anything that's

1200
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 3: happened in the Cubs organization has kind of pushed them

1201
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: into this direct this direction or is this happenstance.

1202
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: I think it's a little happenstance. I really do think

1203
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: it's like a byproduct of the guys they've had in

1204
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 4: the contracts that they've signed, and maybe some of their

1205
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: unwillingness to like battle in the top end of dollar

1206
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 4: free agent markets where those guys might line up a

1207
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: little more like they go after a tie on who's

1208
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 4: like now one of the top pitching guys of that

1209
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 4: free agent class. You know, I think that when Breslo

1210
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: came here, was that twenty nineteen twenty twenty, really big

1211
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: emphasis on velocity and stuff, and it changed a lot

1212
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 4: of the minor league from a stuff perspective. They jumped

1213
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 4: that up over the two three year period of time,

1214
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 4: and I really think that helped them overall. And what

1215
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: you've seen now in the minor league is that it's

1216
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 4: a bit different of a mold of picture that they're

1217
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 4: working on, if that makes sense. You know, like Caid Horten,

1218
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 4: who's currently down with an injury, is more of a

1219
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: stuff guy. They have some other stuff starting pitcher, They

1220
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: don't really have too much starting pitching death and being honest.

1221
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: But like Ben Brown's another one, right, Like came over

1222
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 4: to David Robinson trade from the Phillies. Like, yeah, Like

1223
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: they're starting to build up velocity a little more. It's

1224
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 4: just taken a bit for that the bubble up to

1225
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: the major league level. I think primarily because they've had

1226
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 4: success with a variety of other guys that aren't velocity based.

1227
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 4: But I think if you want to talk bullpen, like

1228
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: it's it's caused some issues on the bullpen side of things. Yeah,

1229
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: bullpen's been terrible, bad, like the terrible bad uh and

1230
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 4: I don't really know if there's like a savior per se.

1231
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: Tyson Miller traded for like an org level middle infielder

1232
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 4: that they don't they have a spot for Jake Slaughter

1233
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 4: to the Mariners, he looks good. He changed his sweeper

1234
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 4: this offseason. Was talking to him about that, picking up

1235
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: more like more lift on it as opposed to the

1236
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: Dodgers who wanted him to have a little more depth.

1237
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 4: So like, that's been a really good pitch and I

1238
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 4: think he's the closer going forward. Like Council had some

1239
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: coats the other day that we're like, we're gonna you know,

1240
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 4: Norris is gonna contribute to the twenty seven outs. That

1241
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 4: to me just feels like a little bit of gamesmanship

1242
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 4: of like I'm not gonna tell you I'm gonna use

1243
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: the nighte. He don't want you to be a little

1244
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: prep for it. So I think he's kicking the other night.

1245
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: I think that probably because Miller was down. But Keegan's

1246
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 4: interesting guy, really good breaking balls. He's paternity list right now,

1247
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 4: I think, so. I don't know if he will see

1248
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 4: him this weekend or when he's back, but yeah, he's

1249
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: he's been like another guy where it's like a tweeter.

1250
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 4: They had him starting a little really good breaking balls there,

1251
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 4: but like I don't necessarily think he has closer stuff.

1252
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 4: There's one guy in the Miners which is deep cut.

1253
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: But Hunter Biggie is this guy who throws like ninety

1254
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 4: seven to ninety nine. He's like one of the few

1255
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 4: vital arms they have in the Mapper Miners right now

1256
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 4: that I think an impact right now he was down

1257
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: with an injury, started late. If you're gonna get me

1258
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 4: like a hot take on like who's gonna have the

1259
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 4: most safe for this team down the stretch, I'm gonna

1260
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 4: go Hunter biggieuse like Council Counsel from the brewis org

1261
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: Man like watching that team the last couple of years,

1262
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: they just churn. It's Avenue, Rebate, Stras Lucky like out

1263
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 4: of nowhere and Yale exactly Like I'm looking at him,

1264
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: going who is that guy in triple A for us

1265
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: right now? And like Hunter Biggie's really the only one.

1266
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 4: There was this other kid there who they just sent

1267
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 4: back down double A because he was having trouble with

1268
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 4: his zone and maybe the ball that they jumped to

1269
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 4: when he get up to Triple A. But I like

1270
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 4: Hunter Biggie. I think he's exactly like the guy Counsel

1271
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 4: would slot immediately into a leverage spot, So keep an

1272
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: eye on him.

1273
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's legitimately a name.

1274
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: I have never heard of it, and based on James's face,

1275
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: I don't think he's heard that one either necessarily. So uh,

1276
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: for those fantasy baseball people out there, maybe some deep leaks,

1277
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: keep an eye out for that. But yeah, the bullpen's

1278
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: been rough. The pitching starting pitching has been really good,

1279
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: especially with Chote Monagora as we now know Mikey Minaga

1280
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: the second, which is just one of the best stories

1281
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: going on in baseball. He's such an interesting pitcher and

1282
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: we talked a lot about him this offseason. Obviously there

1283
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 2: was a lot of ties to the Mets, and what

1284
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: played for Shota was that fastball, and that fastball has

1285
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: been great this year along with the split finger. Another

1286
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: guy that you watched too, and you're like, how does

1287
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 2: he keep getting it done?

1288
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: How is he so dominant? Maybe you can explain to

1289
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Speaker 1: the Mets fans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it has to do with two things.

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Speaker 4: I think the main thing with it, and our broadcast

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Speaker 4: mentioned this is good mention. Is this a good amount?

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Speaker 4: And I think some others do as well. But his

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00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 4: release height's really low. It's like to five four off

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Speaker 4: the top of my hand him. I'm not exactly sure,

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Speaker 4: but it's a below average release and it's a lot

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Speaker 4: of vertical From the below average release. He's a shorter

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00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: guy and extends down the amount of reasonable distance, you know,

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Speaker 4: right around his height. I think that just flattens everything

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Speaker 4: out in terms of the approach at the zone. Again,

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Speaker 4: we're talking about like a low slid ride and not

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Speaker 4: being a really popular trend. This was like the low

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00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 4: slot lefty ride is kind of rare. You just don't

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00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 4: really see it a lot. Like Josh Hater is probably

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00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 4: the best example. But like Josh Hater's arms hiked up

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00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 4: over the last couple of years to the point now

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00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 4: where he's like not even a low slot guy to

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00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 4: me anymore. He's pretty over the top. I mean his

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00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: fastball are up to like twenty vertical now, which like

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00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 4: is crazy because he used to be down around like

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Speaker 4: sixteen and he used to be super flat. But but yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean it's just a low slot and it rides

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Speaker 4: and he throws it up well, and he's got decent

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00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: command because he doesn't really throw too hard. It's just

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Speaker 4: such a weird look, like there's no the comps. I remember,

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Speaker 4: like preseason when they signed him, and I was like

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Speaker 4: thinking of them, were like nest your Cortez and Alex Vesia,

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Speaker 4: you know, and it's just like I don't even know

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Speaker 4: whether Cortez is a fair comp because he's more of

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Speaker 4: a mixed guy, and like VESSI is a reliever, grows harder.

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Speaker 4: It's just like Pete Cromstrow had a quote where it

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00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 4: was like it just looks like it's coming from his

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00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 4: hip when he faced him early in the year or

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00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 4: in spring training, and it's like that's fair, Like it's

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00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 4: not actually coming from his hip. But like if you

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00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 4: think of his height and release high relative to other

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00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 4: pitchers who are lefties throwing any kind of ride, it's

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Speaker 4: like it's just not that low. So it's just it's

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00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 4: lower than you expect. But he is a two pitch

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00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 4: guy basically, Like they really reduced his repertoire down and

1331
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 4: heavily relied on force him split. He had some Homer

1332
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 4: problems and MVB. You know, he hasn't run into those,

1333
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: yet I'm kind of almost waiting for some games where

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Speaker 4: he does. And I'm looking at that matchroom in particular,

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Speaker 4: that's a really good team versus left handed pitching. From

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Speaker 4: what I was looking at quickly, they have like one

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Speaker 4: of the highest x uelbos in baseball, like right next

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Speaker 4: to the Dodgers, So it might be a little more

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Speaker 4: of a test, especially if it's not like a wind

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Speaker 4: blown into at Wrigley. I'm really curious to see kind

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Speaker 4: of where he trends. He had a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a rough two three star stretch after they skipped him

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Speaker 4: for a nounting because he's workloads a little bit up

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00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 4: relative to what he did in MPB, So we'll see

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Speaker 4: kind of where things go with him. I'm kind of

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00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 4: fascinated to see. He's really good. I think he's really good. Picture.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's a sub two year right pitcher.

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00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: I don't thin anyone. He's probably more like a three

1349
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 4: five three seven guy, which is still really above average,

1350
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 4: which everyone might be like, whoah, no way, he's got

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Speaker 4: like a two to two right now. It's like there's

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Speaker 4: no picture in baseballn't two two year right pitcher, Like,

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Speaker 4: let's just let's chill for a second, you know, so

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00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 4: we'll see. But he's a great picture. He's really fun

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Speaker 4: to cover too. From a personality standpoint, Yeah, he seems great.

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Speaker 3: And even as a three five, three seven picture, if

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00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: who you guys are paying for him the way that exactly,

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00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 3: he's transformed the rotation basically the entire team right now,

1359
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 3: like the Cubs are similar to where the Mets were

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00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: before of one famous McDonald's figure entered the fold like

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00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 3: kind of trying to hang into the wildcard picture. But

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Speaker 3: without him, I don't even know where they'd wind up.

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Speaker 3: It's just that, what's what's the vibe of this Grimace stuff?

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Speaker 4: You guys are coming?

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Speaker 2: It's high high. People are like obsessed with him. Every

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Speaker 2: If you're on Twitter and you're a Mets fan, you're

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Speaker 2: not posting about Grimace, you're just missing out on the

1368
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: most free likes of all time. Like you could, you

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00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: could literally just post a picture of his face and

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Speaker 2: it's gonna get a thousand likes.

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Speaker 1: It's taking Mets fans by storm.

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Speaker 3: It's also insane that this is the second time in

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Speaker 3: like four or five years now that Grimace has become

1374
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: for some reason, this like absolutely hyper focused social media

1375
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: figure because years ago there was a TikTok trends. But

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00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: the Grimace shakes were like a Grimace shake and then

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00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 3: wind up like in a basketball hoop or like laying

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00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: down on the street, and it's just like what was

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00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: happening to the Grimma shakes. So I'm thinking that we

1380
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: know how deep the Mets get into marketing, so we

1381
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: know it's definitely gonna be something with McDonald's. Something's gonna

1382
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: keep happening. But right now, it's great to hang on

1383
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 3: the side of thing. And the Mets have a long

1384
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: history of bizarre things adding either good luck or bad luck.

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Speaker 3: They had the black Cat back I think that was

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Speaker 3: seventy three that propelled them to the playoffs, and Mets

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Speaker 3: had weirdly a rally dildout and what was I think

1388
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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, someone snapped in the locker room one night.

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Speaker 3: They had them the parakeet. But you ain't assessed with

1390
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 3: this where a rogue parakeet just showed up on the

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Speaker 3: baseball field in the game where the Mets run really

1392
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: started in twenty fifteen. So we've done things like this

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Speaker 3: before that, Yeah, we're just happy to do it again.

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Speaker 3: But I was gonna ask another question about iman Aga,

1395
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Speaker 3: and I totally lost it because you're asking about Crimis.

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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I was gonna ask. Yeah, I

1397
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: was gonna ask you one more about him, because it

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Speaker 3: made me think of my favorite your YouTube video you've

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Speaker 3: ever done, where you talked about the pitch to k with.

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Speaker 1: That was awesome.

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Speaker 3: But I remember that at bat early in the season.

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Speaker 3: I think it might have been even a second started

1403
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: against the Dodgers, like a cold day at Wrigley where

1404
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: he faced Sho Hao Tani. He was down three to

1405
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 3: one against Otan. I think it was maybe a second

1406
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: at bat and there might have been a man or

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Speaker 3: two on base. And I cut the video for Twitter

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00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: one time because I was just like so obsessed with

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Speaker 3: this where he threw him back to back fastballs up

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00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 3: in it, which is a place that Otani. I'm not

1411
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Speaker 3: gonna ever say that's a place where Tani struggles, struggles

1412
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 3: with any part of the zone, but that's definitely the

1413
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 3: place where he seems to be the most suceptible. And

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Speaker 3: you see two pitches go by show Hao Tani and

1415
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: ninety two miles an hour, and you're talking about the

1416
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 3: low slide on the ride, but I know it's not

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00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: enough pitches to get the pitchure k like you talked

1418
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: about in that how are you able to throw two

1419
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 3: ninety two mile in there pitches ever behind by a

1420
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: guy like Shoho Tani like legitimately, Yeah, I mean that

1421
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: might have.

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Speaker 4: Just been it's the case. Stuff's really fun because like

1423
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 4: there was a the more I've thought about that video

1424
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: and talk to people about it who are like trying

1425
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 4: to model it out, the more I like kind of

1426
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 4: see instances of it, like this is so random. But

1427
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: the Cardinal Series over the weekend, there was like a

1428
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 4: ninety three mile per hour fastball thrown by Andrew Kittridge.

1429
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: I think it is old, like, uh, what do you

1430
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 4: call it? The old uh razor reliever right now? Yeah,

1431
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 4: the Cardinals, And like it was in a cow where

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00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 4: I was like totally convinced he was going going slider

1433
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: away like he threw I think he threw like two

1434
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 4: fastballs to get to a two strike out, and I

1435
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 4: was like slider and then he goes like FOURC middle

1436
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 4: middle and he's like hit it and the guy swung

1437
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 4: right through it. I was like like that. There's a

1438
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 4: lot of like game theory. I think that goes on

1439
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 4: in it where I wonder if Otani just knew that

1440
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: show to backs off four scene like count and it's

1441
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 4: like he's just like coin flip two times. I'm pretty

1442
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 4: confident he's gonna go split here, maybe sweeper away because

1443
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 4: he does that against lefties a bit, and it's like

1444
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 4: he didn't he just went fastball fastball. And that gets

1445
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 4: into like the nuance I think of like picture hitter

1446
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 4: matchups that I love thinking about because I don't know

1447
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: if there's a right answer, but I do think, like

1448
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 4: what I don't want to say, the analytics limited but

1449
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 4: a lot of the time and I'm thinking to make

1450
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: a video on this, but like I kind of have

1451
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 4: a hot take that if you're a starting pitcher, you

1452
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 4: shouldn't throw your best pitch most often. You should like

1453
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 4: find a floor for it and like stay at that

1454
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 4: floor ceiling or I don't know, I gotta figure out

1455
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: how to phrase it. Is interest in progress, as you

1456
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 4: can tell, but you hear it a lot. You hear

1457
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 4: from really smart people. But I think this some extent

1458
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: that idea has like hurt the starting picture because because

1459
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 4: of this concept of pitch de k where It's like

1460
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 4: if I'm I'm trying to think of a pitcher, like

1461
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 4: Justin Steele is a good example too, pitch guy. Right,

1462
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: if I'm Justin Steel and I'm throwing my slider a ton,

1463
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 4: like I'm fifty percent usage on that first and second

1464
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 4: time through. Like as you get to the third time through,

1465
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 4: that guy's seen it probably four to seven times already,

1466
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: I'm not totally confident that pitch is going to be

1467
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 4: as successful overall. So you like get into this balance

1468
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 4: of like, I don't know if the best thing for

1469
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 4: me to do as a pitcher is to actually throw

1470
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 4: this pitch as much as possible as a reliever it's

1471
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 4: completed for separate story, Yeah, I think that's where we're

1472
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 4: getting caught up, is like the relievers should do that

1473
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 4: because you're not turning over lunch, you're not seeing a

1474
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 4: guy multiple times, and that decay doesn't kit came quick

1475
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 4: enough such that if you're throwing four Edwin dis sliders

1476
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 4: in a row, it matters, you know, especially when that

1477
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 4: pitch quality is so good. So I just wonder whether

1478
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: like the logic around that doesn't apply at all in

1479
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: my opinion to starting pitching, where like the guys that

1480
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 4: I think are really good starting pitchers have usually multiple

1481
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 4: quality pitches and can like push off this decay on

1482
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 4: any individual pitch by throwing three to give it outing,

1483
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 4: like Zach Wheeler's the example. Like it's multiple fastballs, a

1484
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 4: couple of different variations of breaking balls split now two,

1485
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 4: And it's like, I like, I'm not totally convinced that

1486
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 4: like the four seen sweep righty or sink sweep rity

1487
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 4: is like gonna be that great of a starting pitcher,

1488
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 4: but well it's a working probably you can see. I'm

1489
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 4: like thinking through the idea as I walk through it.

1490
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 4: But but yeah, I mean I would They're going back

1491
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 4: to answer your question again. I just think even if

1492
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying that, there's situations where like you can be

1493
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 4: count confident enough to counter with a pretty risky pitch,

1494
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 4: like you can't. You can't throw Otani fastballs most of

1495
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 4: the time, Like if if Shonda does that every time

1496
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: he faces Altano, Tony's get a bridget more than Yeah,

1497
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 4: you know, but like just in that instance, based on

1498
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 4: the parameters of what he threw, like it worked, And

1499
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 4: I think that's like a lost part of pitching. Is

1500
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 4: that picture hit or interaction. I think we're losing a

1501
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 4: bit of it as we get away from starting pitching.

1502
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 4: It's why I want the lead to like really incentive

1503
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: starting pitching again, because I think that stuff is just

1504
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 4: so fun to think about.

1505
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: I think that's also like one of the great parts

1506
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: of your concert. I think you and Nick Pollock do

1507
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: the so well. Where so much data has become public

1508
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 3: in recent years, we've seen just and like I'm a

1509
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: symptom of this, we're all symptoms of this where it's

1510
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 3: just like you see stuff. Plus you see pitches, you're like, Okay,

1511
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: you could throw this pitch, throw that pitch, Yeah, make

1512
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 3: you better, But then you're kind of missing what's actually

1513
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,479
Speaker 3: going on on a baseball field, and you're kind of missing

1514
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 3: what where's the line between there's a pitcher who pitches

1515
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: like a starting pitcher who's like actually really good. We

1516
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 3: talk a lot about Sean and I in this show,

1517
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 3: who it always feels like he's like one or two

1518
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: tools away from actually becoming like the pitcher he can be.

1519
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 3: But that's even a skill in and of itself. And

1520
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: you've been in the major league for five years. You

1521
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 3: can't learn new pitches, like maybe that's just something you

1522
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 3: don't have. Like you see, Paul Skemes developed this splinker

1523
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 3: over the last six weeks and now he is probably

1524
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 3: one of the best pitchers in the league with them

1525
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 3: and I who his two seamers, one of the best

1526
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 3: run values in the league. He throws a sixty five

1527
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 3: seventy percent of the time, so the once he gets

1528
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 3: to the fifth inning, she can never seem to get to.

1529
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: It's kind of all over. But I'm using this now

1530
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: segue into some Mets pitching here because we got you here,

1531
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 3: we might as well ask you, Yeah, would you see

1532
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: if this Mets rotation right now? Because we've seen Tyler

1533
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 3: McGill come up and be better than he ever has been.

1534
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 3: We've seen Christian Scott go back down. He's going to

1535
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 3: be someone who comes up here and probably is skill wise,

1536
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: talent wise, maybe maybe the best starting pitching in the

1537
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 3: entire organization. But between Manaya, Severino, David Peterson, if you

1538
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 3: know anything about Jose bud though happy to hear anything,

1539
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 3: but is there.

1540
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 4: I mean, we know what time is.

1541
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, but we we I'm not going to

1542
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: try and make Landes pretend to find anything posit about time.

1543
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, no, no, exactly, Yeah, pitching mine.

1544
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: But is there is there a glimmer of hope as

1545
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: this Mets team puts himself back into the playoff race,

1546
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 3: for these mid rotation starting pitchers to find any more success,

1547
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 3: maybe they than they found recently.

1548
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think so, And I think it's

1549
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 4: a byproduct of me being somewhat confident in what they're

1550
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 4: doing in the minor league side as well. I just

1551
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 4: had a video on the YouTube come out recently that

1552
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 4: looked at like high level pitching topics in the minors,

1553
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 4: and it's it's testy because it's like I'm really aggregating

1554
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 4: things into one number. I'm looking at like classing all

1555
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 4: the way up to triple A and being like, give

1556
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 4: me one number as to your organization's velocity. So the

1557
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 4: margins are small between you know, the variation in an

1558
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 4: average team's forceing fastball. But I like the mess, like

1559
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: I think they hired a bunch of smart people. Eric

1560
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 4: Yieger's there is like a guy that I met this

1561
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 4: recent offseason and had known about for a whan been

1562
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 4: meaning to connect with. And he's he's a he's a

1563
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 4: guy that's a get for that org. You know, there's

1564
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 4: some other really smart people to in that organization, and

1565
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 4: like just talking to Jaegers occasionally about like how they

1566
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 4: approach things is I mean, I just think they're on

1567
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 4: the right path. You saw that with Scott and some

1568
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 4: of the tweaks that they made this offseason jump him

1569
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 4: another level. I really like him as a prospect. Tyler

1570
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 4: Migo in that split Like, I'm a huge split guy.

1571
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 4: I love splitters overall. Like I just thinking there's so

1572
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 4: many instances I feel like we've run into this year

1573
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 4: where it's like, why is this guy better? It's like

1574
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 4: I was sort of split more and it's nasty and

1575
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 4: no one can hit. It's like the performance against splits

1576
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 4: hasn't gotten better. There's so few bad splitters. We really

1577
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 4: have a good understanding on thinking on the pitching side

1578
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 4: of like orientations that get you to certain movement. Like

1579
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 4: the days of a guy not being able to develop

1580
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 4: a change up, I feel like are dying. I feel

1581
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 4: like I haven't heard that in a while, Like guys

1582
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 4: have to work on their change ups. But like I'm

1583
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 4: pretty confident if you put a picture that he's a

1584
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 4: change up or something that breaks vertically down in a

1585
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 4: good org Like he'll just come up with something combine

1586
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 4: broadcast tray is savage. He's an East you guys, is

1587
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 4: gonna go in the middle of the first round of

1588
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 4: the draft, and like he added to split this offseason.

1589
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 4: He's high slot, and it's like that dude's filthy, Like

1590
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 4: he's filthy, and he's the first round to because of

1591
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 4: the split. Like if he didn't add that split, like

1592
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 4: I don't think he'd be a top fifteen pick, you know,

1593
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 4: So it's like you get, I just I really like

1594
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 4: that with Tyler Miguel to get back to him, you know,

1595
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 4: looking at him specifically, I'm curious to see. He's a

1596
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 4: good example of like there's certain guys who like have

1597
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 4: to throw their four scene. Like I get that the

1598
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 4: league is pushing against the usage of the pitch, and

1599
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 4: we're gonna see that. I think, continue to downtick, but

1600
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 4: you have to have something you can strike or you're

1601
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 4: just not a starter. He's one of in the in

1602
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,959
Speaker 4: those weird situations where like he doesn't really have anything

1603
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 4: else to strike a ton to lefties, and I think

1604
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 4: as a result of that, he's throwing that fastball like

1605
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 4: forty five percent and in an ideal world you run

1606
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 4: into him with like I don't want to comp up

1607
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 4: to Logan Gilbert, but there's some similarities there where it's

1608
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 4: like you can Logan Gilbert like look at his fastball

1609
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 4: usage over the years, like that things are like twenty

1610
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 4: percent now, and the reason he got it down to

1611
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 4: twenty percent is because he started throwing this weird cutter

1612
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 4: that he could strike. So you replace a pitch that

1613
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 4: you can't you can strike that you don't like, with

1614
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 4: a pitch that's marginally better or more unique. I guess

1615
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 4: that you can strike, and now you have two pitches

1616
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 4: you can strike. And I think there's somebody sta Adding

1617
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 4: that cutter for Gilbert helped the four scene. I wonder

1618
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 4: whether there's something similar in there for Tyler where it's like, okay,

1619
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 4: we have to throw the four scene forty five percent.

1620
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 4: We don't know, you're not gonna get it, hit Wash

1621
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 4: all these guys, but it's like, give me, I don't

1622
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 4: know if there's something there's something else in there. Ask

1623
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 4: Jagers about it. You ever get him on the pot, like,

1624
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do? Because I get you give

1625
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 4: them two brand new pitches in an offseason but it

1626
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 4: feels like there's an evolution of him to come where

1627
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 4: it's like he dominates righty's maybe there's something more to

1628
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 4: lefties And next thing you know, he's like a midrotation

1629
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 4: starting looks good. I'm a huge fan of him though.

1630
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 4: I really like him.

1631
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 2: Love to hear that because our joke with Tyler of

1632
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: a gill is that he is the like ex girlfriend,

1633
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: Like we see him pitch well, we completely buy back

1634
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: in and then he has a bad star like he's

1635
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: the same Tyler and McGill. So it's like it's nicely

1636
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: here someone who doesn't have that like predetermined notion or.

1637
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: Bias being like, no, I like him. He's good.

1638
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 4: He's good.

1639
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: I think a picture and that color you talk about

1640
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 3: that is something that he has been coming up with

1641
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 3: the split to be the pitches against lefties. It's still

1642
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly fastball against lefties, but it's those colors and spiler,

1643
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 3: especially the last I think the two starts to go

1644
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 3: to one against the Nationals. I think he had eight

1645
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 3: swings and miss I believe six of them came. He

1646
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 3: has a color he throws. He's been throwing color. His

1647
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 3: color is more. I feel like there's a there needs

1648
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 3: to be more of a distinction with color sometimes, like

1649
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: is it a baby slider or is it a different fastball?

1650
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 3: And his is more baby fastballish, but he's just not

1651
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 3: consistent enough with it yet to do it because he

1652
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 3: has the slide there, which is tired, he has a

1653
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 3: sweeper which is wide, he doesn't throw it very often,

1654
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 3: and then the color falls weirdly in between kind of

1655
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 3: the gyro and the fastball. But I think it's just

1656
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: he's not that consistent with it yet, so it has

1657
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 3: a lot of variations, so it's hard to actually place

1658
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 3: it because you watch start to start like that one

1659
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 3: backed up, that one moved with his arm, Like, I

1660
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: don't know what's going on here, but it is nice

1661
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 3: Seim have weapons and that was a nice few positively

1662
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 3: reaffirmed that he is doing something better and different now

1663
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 3: for us.

1664
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.

1665
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 2: All right, now, just to talk about the minor leagues

1666
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 2: real quick, because again pitch stuff Mets minor leagues.

1667
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: You talk about Jaeger's you hip to h you hip.

1668
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 2: To the Mets pictures that we got going on down there,

1669
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 2: A little sproute, little Jonah tongue action.

1670
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I'm doing like a top forty pitching

1671
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 4: prospect rank that I'm starting to dig through, and I've

1672
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 4: looked at a couple of those names. I was actually

1673
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 4: talking to another prospect rank or two about a couple

1674
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 4: of Mets guys. But the Jonah Tong hype is interesting

1675
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 4: to me. I saw someone online say that he's like

1676
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 4: a top three pitching prospect in baseball. I was like,

1677
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 4: please stop like that. That's not fun. The chance, excuse me,

1678
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 4: but shut that out. There's no chance there, you know

1679
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like, it's just I think he's interesting.

1680
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 4: He seemed like a very cerebral guy, which might be

1681
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 4: like that make development that I like a little more

1682
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 4: where it's like, okay, like I'm commid to this guy's

1683
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 4: probably gonna explore different pitch types and shapes to figure

1684
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 4: out his mix and stuff. So I like them. I

1685
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 4: don't think he's I like spirat, you know, I think

1686
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 4: all those guys are like in this area that you'd

1687
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 4: say they're almost like league average, Like you give like

1688
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 4: a fifty is like a major league average starter of

1689
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 4: some kinds, probably like a four for five, and you

1690
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 4: have some upside in it. The thing that I hope

1691
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 4: you can get to when a lot of these guys

1692
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 4: is again like improving them when they get to the

1693
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 4: major league level. This is what good organizations do, is

1694
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 4: like you get these guys that you look at it

1695
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 4: under like forty five pluses where they're like not a

1696
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 4: fifty yet, but they're just around there. They have some

1697
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 4: element that if this tweaks, will push them to that

1698
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 4: great which is good. You know, there's not in the

1699
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 4: minor leagues at any given time miners in majors among prospects,

1700
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 4: there's probably like thirty of these guys twenty twenty five

1701
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 4: to thirty of them in total. So the fact that

1702
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 4: the Mets I think have a few of them in

1703
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 4: Spratt and some others, it's interesting to me. And again

1704
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 4: like I'm I I maybe get a little anecdotal, but

1705
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 4: I buy in a certain orders that I think have

1706
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 4: smart people there to make decisions, and the Eggers is

1707
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 4: one of them, and some of the other guys they

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01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 4: have or sharp So I like tongue. It's it's low slot.

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01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 4: It's like a he's a shorter guy, low released, big

1710
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 4: carry so at like Pops and models. I will say though,

1711
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 4: like I thought another video topic here I'm playing around

1712
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 4: with the Orioles are a team though when I did

1713
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 4: this minor league stuff stood out to me because they

1714
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 4: have the second highest release average release in minor league

1715
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 4: baseball and also like the highest vertical break. I wonder

1716
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 4: whether we're gonna get this weird turnback in the league

1717
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 4: where we start getting like super steep approach for seams

1718
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 4: at the top of the zone all of a sudden,

1719
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 4: because like everyone's covering up with flat and then it's like,

1720
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 4: give me like a Tyler Welsey Verlander steep approach for

1721
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 4: seam that's like hard with some carry models aren't gonna

1722
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 4: love it, you know, overall, because it's not that flat

1723
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 4: approach fun. But you know, I wonder whether, like some

1724
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 4: of the guys that prospects are getting excited about, and

1725
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 4: these low Solock Cary guys are just like that is

1726
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 4: the trick's just kind of gonna be up to some

1727
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 4: extent when those guys get to the majors, because everyone

1728
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 4: on the hing side understands you have to hit that.

1729
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 4: Like Travis Bizano is gonna be onle topics in this

1730
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 4: coming draft, Like he's talked a lot about how he

1731
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 4: like re engineered just swiming to cover four team up

1732
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 4: and got really good. It's like, yeah, you have to

1733
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 4: be able to get unforcing by that guy, so like

1734
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 4: good luck, Like you got to come up with something else, man.

1735
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 4: So I wonder, like I think the Orioles might be

1736
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 4: onto something there. I don't know. It's a topic that

1737
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 4: I've kicked around in my head and I don't mean

1738
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 4: to bring up your Savage again, but he's a guy

1739
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 4: who's like he's got like a six to eight release,

1740
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 4: like he's near seven feet, and I think that plays

1741
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 4: into some extent of his approach and weirdness. So we'll see.

1742
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 4: We'll see on Tom, but I like Spiratt Scott's the

1743
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 4: guy there for sure that I think is metroitation are

1744
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 4: better in terms of a starter. And then we'll see

1745
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 4: how the other guys developed, but I'll probably see kind

1746
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 4: of prospecting to ontil that top forty of your guys.

1747
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 3: Org.

1748
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 4: Nice.

1749
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 3: That's funny because right before you came on, Mark and

1750
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 3: I were talking about Connle McDaniel just came out with

1751
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 3: his mock draft. I think he mocked what was his name, savage,

1752
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 3: Savage Savage, Yeah, he mocked him to the Mets and

1753
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: Mark was like, yeah, I like that he throws ninety

1754
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 3: miles and Horow.

1755
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: With a splitting no that was we got Brodie Bret

1756
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 1: you savage.

1757
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bread could be dope. If you guys get him,

1758
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 4: He's like, I will turned over their pitching coach. I've

1759
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 4: heard a lot of weird things about that org Less

1760
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 4: or not org but like the school, well, I guess

1761
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 4: he can fish side. They had like a couple guys

1762
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 4: they graduate into major league staffs, and then the most

1763
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 4: recent coach they had in there, I guess didn't really

1764
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 4: do the best job from what I've heard. I don't

1765
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 4: know him, but you know, Brett is a guy who

1766
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 4: like he's split, you know, interesting traits. It's like he's

1767
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 4: forcing split slider and like he regressed. But if I'm

1768
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 4: inn Orgon, I'm looking at him like, I don't know.

1769
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 4: That feels like you just undo what was done and

1770
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 4: he's back to being a top ten pick and you've

1771
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 4: got value. So the college pitching isn't super strong from

1772
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 4: a depth perspective. In this draft, you get like Burns

1773
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 4: and Hayden Smith off the top, and then it's like

1774
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 4: or Hagen Smith scus me, and then and then it

1775
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 4: falls a little bit, like the Savage is a tier

1776
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 4: below those guys. I love him. And then like maybe

1777
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 4: it's brecked is the fourth college pitcher taken. There's a

1778
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 4: couple other guys, but because that crop isn't super strong,

1779
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 4: it's not deep. I wonder whether you get like a

1780
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 4: Breck jump up or if the Mets want to build

1781
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 4: pitching depth in that respect, Like, yeah, I could see

1782
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 4: like a brect or a Savage he falls going you guys,

1783
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 4: I don't know what you guys pick is it like

1784
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 4: you're nineteen okay, yeah, so I doubt see Savage gets

1785
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 4: past fifteen sixteen, So maybe Breck's the option.

1786
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 3: And then so we'll see, Yeah, we got killed because

1787
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 3: we are pick dropped ten spots for the luxury tax,

1788
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 3: which yeah, which is fun, fun collection you mentioned justin Verlander.

1789
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 3: That's exactly why that happened.

1790
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's ironic.

1791
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 3: Well, we gotta let you go in a second. I

1792
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: know we could probably talk all day, but I love

1793
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 3: you talked about that like steep, steep release point heavy

1794
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 3: four scene at the top of his zone, because that's

1795
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 3: something that Mark and I have tried, and we talked

1796
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 3: talked about Eddie about this. Another a friend of mine

1797
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: does data for the Blue Jays, Alex I said about

1798
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 3: like quantifying this concept of heavy fastball. I think that shit.

1799
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 3: And it's something that was like an old school thing

1800
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 3: in baseball.

1801
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 4: Something.

1802
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 3: Another Mets prospect, Blade Tidwell, does a lot. He tries

1803
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 3: to throw. He's a big guy, he extends, he's very

1804
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 3: steep arm angle, and he does sit that fastball top

1805
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 3: of his zonne. But it's just cool that how many

1806
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 3: different ways there are, Like how many adjustments going year

1807
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 3: the year, like this year compared to year's past. I

1808
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 3: think we there's like a five percentage point increase in

1809
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 3: sinker usage in baseball. If you told someone that five

1810
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 3: years ago, they've been like, you're crazy, sinkers are out.

1811
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 3: Everything's a high four scene, get to carry, get the

1812
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 3: ride and do that. But now it's like, okay, now

1813
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 3: I actually need that again. And like Robert lore had

1814
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: a cool piece about pictures who have different kinds of fastballs.

1815
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's good. Cubs.

1816
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 3: The Cubs do that really well. And ye I don't know,

1817
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 3: maybe that's the way he wrap this up and get

1818
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 3: backed into it. But just give us one maybe sleeper

1819
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 3: prospect you think in this LMB draft or that he's

1820
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 3: just saw from the combine, anything anything sneaky to send

1821
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 3: the people out.

1822
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'll go super deep cut here. Presbyterian College

1823
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 4: in South Carolina's is killing Daniel Egan. I saw him

1824
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 4: any data, and he stood out because he's like a

1825
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 4: probably a third to sixth rounder. Big South, not a

1826
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 4: great conference. I don't want to knock him for that though,

1827
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 4: because he shoved there. But he's got interesting breaking ball

1828
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 4: traits where it's like two good breaking balls at velow

1829
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 4: he's kind of like curveball eighty one plus and then

1830
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 4: he's got a slider that's eighty four. And he used

1831
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 4: the curveball a ton and dominated with it. It's just

1832
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 4: like one of those obvious situations where I think it

1833
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 4: or gets him and throws the slider harder and throws

1834
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 4: it more like. I think he's a pretty put un

1835
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 4: neutral guy because the forcing looks good. You know, he's

1836
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 4: again a little bit higher release, but he carries the

1837
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 4: ball well sits the top of the zone. I wouldn't

1838
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 4: say it's deep approach, but playing around with those ideas again,

1839
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a deeper cut guy, but he was

1840
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 4: one of the best arms. I thought at the lines, Polish,

1841
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 4: Polish dude. He might be like the he might be boring.

1842
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 4: But if if you met's happened to Dahimer comes out

1843
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 4: and take him in like the fifth round. I think

1844
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 4: it's a great pick because he's probably some kind of

1845
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 4: upper level minors pitcher, if not major league pitcher.

1846
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: Self hearing a dude from the Big South, Presbyteria.

1847
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 4: They don't get a lot of shine. The funny part

1848
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 4: is like, this is my first year really dating into

1849
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 4: draft stuff earlier because I'm doing this combat stuff and

1850
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 4: I would be on will be Strap broadcasts and stuff. Yeah,

1851
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 4: I'm hyped for that's gonna be fun and sick. I like,

1852
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 4: I can't name another team I think in the Big South.

1853
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 4: Please don't tell anybody Winthrop there you go, Presbyterian College.

1854
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 4: But I was like, I don't know anyone else in

1855
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 4: the Big.

1856
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 3: South, Charlotte, Daniel Nights.

1857
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't know if they're Big South.

1858
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 4: I don't think the last year anyways, I gotta learn conferences.

1859
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 4: The main thing I'm learning the players because that's like

1860
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 4: my Cask Callas Jim Caws from the Pipeline is like

1861
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 4: the guy who like is encyclopedia, so like, I don't.

1862
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to waste their brain space, is my excuse, right, Jim.

1863
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 1: Jim knows it's a lot to keep it in that

1864
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: head for sure. Lance, thank you so much for coming on.

1865
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you.

1866
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 2: Let everybody know at home where they can find you

1867
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: and what else you're up to.

1868
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm definitely pushing substack in YouTube this year, so

1869
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 4: Lance Broz, It's Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. I'm kind of everywhere

1870
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 4: to a ton of short from content, but I try

1871
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 4: really pushing the YouTube though, really fun thoughts on there.

1872
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 4: I try to make it as accessible as possible to

1873
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 4: substack very niche if you really want to like nerd out,

1874
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 4: if you enjoy the YouTube, you'll enjoy that. But let's

1875
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 4: be over some people's head, so i'd say go to

1876
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Speaker 4: YouTube first, check me out.

1877
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Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much for coming on, man, and

1878
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: we'll again soon.

1879
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 4: We'll do awesome. Thanks for having you guys.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

1881
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: I mean that conversation with Lance was awesome. I hope

1882
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: you guys go show him some support on all the

1883
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: stuff that he does. I think we'll find ways to

1884
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: get him back on here, because.

1885
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: If you guys didn't tell, we could probably talk about.

1886
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 2: Baseball for two or three hours with him, and I

1887
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: think that would be fun and maybe something you guys

1888
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:49,560
Speaker 2: want to see. So you can let us know in

1889
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Speaker 2: the comment section or tweeted us if you just want

1890
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1892
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Speaker 2: But of course we're at the end here, so we

1893
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Speaker 2: lization of Major League Baseball TV that I can experience

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Speaker 2: the field this season as a local with Gary keithan Ronn.

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Speaker 2: A show like this and Rich is the experience. These

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Speaker 2: guys are fun, knowledgeable, passionate, and truth and truth to

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Speaker 2: their opinion, even disagree a lot among them, which is great.

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Speaker 2: They are also real New Yorkers and you can feel

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Speaker 2: the city and team vibe in the show. One question

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Speaker 2: for the boys, what in the world is going on

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Speaker 2: with Marte all the reds, jumps, routes on fly balls

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Speaker 2: have been horrible. He's not slow and has a lot

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Speaker 2: of experience, even with the age decline. Shouldn't be this bad.

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Speaker 2: Would it be better in left field? Maybe the angles

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Speaker 2: and right field are too foreign for him, or the

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Speaker 2: real estate's too big. I understand the Army special, but

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Speaker 2: it's costing us all in all. Would he be better

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Speaker 2: and left And my answer is going to be probably not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so at all. I think just

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Speaker 3: he I don't know if I just hope he wants

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Speaker 3: to play baseball more as he's much go on.

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Speaker 2: Where we trade him to a stupid team that would

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Speaker 2: be cool too. And then the final review shout out

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Speaker 2: here b Rod forty two five stars, best New York

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Speaker 2: Mets pod easily the boys mentioned today there were no

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Speaker 2: new reviews, so I figured I'd write one, hands down

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Speaker 2: the best analysis and specifically pitching. Shout out James, though

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Speaker 2: over all these guys know their stuff. The perfect mix

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Speaker 2: of excitement oop I clicked off of it, whoops. The

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Speaker 2: perfect mix of excitement for baseball coupled with the cold

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Speaker 2: hand of reality. US Mets fans are way too familiar

1945
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Speaker 2: with twenty twenty four may not be our year. It's

1946
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Speaker 2: definitely not, regardless of this latest Grimes streak, but I

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Speaker 2: firmly believe the team's headed in the right direction. I

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Speaker 2: look forward to hearing these guys break down what should

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Speaker 2: be a pretty interesting future.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you be Rod, Appreciate all you guys. We drop

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Speaker 1: the reviews. We have two hundred and fifty ratings, which

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Speaker 1: is which is awesome.

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Speaker 3: I know we Yeah, we have almost six hundred on

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Speaker 3: Spotify too.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys do an amazing job of supporting

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Speaker 2: the podcast. We really do appreciate it. Any final remarks here,

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Speaker 2: James before we sign.

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Speaker 3: Off, I mean nothing. Just this team is legitimately back

1959
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Speaker 3: in the wildcard race. We have eight games coming up

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Speaker 3: against the Cubs, Yankees, and Nastros. I feel like I

1961
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Speaker 3: can tell us a lot as before we get into

1962
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Speaker 3: a really nice lull and going into the All Star break.

1963
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Speaker 3: Just let's a caution Mets fans not to think too

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Speaker 3: much into the future over the next two weeks. Let's

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Speaker 3: just play some baseball, enjoy it. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 3: be going around the park next week Yankees Nastro series,

1967
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Speaker 3: possibly asking you guys for some input for some videos.

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Speaker 3: Possibly just hang it out, maybe gonna have a beer

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Speaker 3: with that. Anyone who wants to have it in the stadium,

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Speaker 3: So hit us up dm us if you want to

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Speaker 3: meet this, grab a sticker. But let's just enjoy some

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Speaker 3: baseball for a few weeks now.

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Speaker 1: Day by day. That's how we gotta think about it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for listening and watching this

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Speaker 2: episode of the Mets Up Podcast. Make sure to follow

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Speaker 2: us on all our social media at mets up on Twitter, Instagram,

1977
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Speaker 2: and TikTok. Subscribe to the mets Up Podcast YouTube channel

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Speaker 2: so you can see what we look like if you

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Speaker 2: have not yet done so. Then if you are listening

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Speaker 2: to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, whatever it is, drop

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Speaker 2: us a rating, drop us a review, download and subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Follow James on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: At James unders Course Giana, and.

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Speaker 2: I'm Draftnick Mark with a c. Thank you guys for

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Speaker 2: listening and watching it. We will catch you after the

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Speaker 2: CUB series.

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Speaker 3: Peace out, peace out. See you guys next time.

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Speaker 4: And then