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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season to sixty six,

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Speaker 1: episode four of Jar Dailish Guys production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Just four hundred shy of the season that we've all

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Speaker 1: been waiting for, Season six hundred sixty six. We're so close. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because because I'm cool and stuff fucking twisted. This is

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Speaker 1: a podcast where you take a deep dive into America's

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Speaker 1: shared consciousness. And it's Thursday, December eight two? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Know that? What? What? What? Would this be the seventeenth

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Speaker 1: day of Christmas? So we don't do that. I was like,

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Speaker 1: where are you going with that? Sort of birds do

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Speaker 1: they give you on the seventeenth day of Christmas? Seventeen

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Speaker 1: pigeons flocking? Seventeen dead pigeons. My name is Jack O'Brien. Ak, Mama,

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Speaker 1: take this glass from me. I can't chug it any

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Speaker 1: mam My milky throats too thick to speak. I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm knogging on Heaven's door, knog knog, knocking on

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Speaker 1: Heaven's door. Yeah, I know you wanted to come me

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Speaker 1: off before. Yeah, yeah, not knock knocking on heavens No? Wow,

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Speaker 1: all right. That is courtesy of Blake Rogers, and I'm

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined as always when Miles is out

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Speaker 1: by a very special guest co host, one of the

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Speaker 1: EPs on this very network, the King of sting that

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Speaker 1: bitch on Twitch, it's DJ Daniel good Man. Get your

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Speaker 1: lighters up for that. A k A. Well done, Jack,

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Speaker 1: You totally crushed that one flat coming out of the gates.

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Speaker 1: But I think you sounded great. It is your boy,

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Speaker 1: d J Daniel. Happy to be here a k A.

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Speaker 1: I forgot to ask someone on Twitter, but I'll stick

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Speaker 1: with Mr Steel your aerial Yes, check me out on

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Speaker 1: Twitch playing Rocket League and being bad at it. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Happy to be here to be arial, Yeah, because when

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Speaker 1: you fly in the air and the ball it's I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it's a real niche joke. For the people

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Speaker 1: who play the game, they're like, oh, I get that,

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Speaker 1: And for ninety per seven listening audience, they're like, are

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Speaker 1: you talking about that? You're headed for steal your ariola.

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Speaker 1: That's a different podcast. Yes. Anyways, we are thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined in our third and fourth seats by the

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Speaker 1: hosts of the podcast A Matter of Degrees, which tell

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Speaker 1: stories about the powerful forces behind climate change and the

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Speaker 1: tools we have to fix it. Please welcome the brilliant

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Speaker 1: and accomplish Dr Leah Stokes and Dr Catherine Wilkinson. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I think to make the intros extra dumb when we

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Speaker 1: have like esteemed guests, so that you guys just know

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Speaker 1: what you're in for. We're not we're not real doctors.

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Speaker 1: Just to be clear. I mean we have doctor it's

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Speaker 1: but we can't not perform surgery or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Just want to get out, not even like stitches barely

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Speaker 1: a band aid. Yes, oh doctors. Nonetheless, that is that

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Speaker 1: accounts in my book. And yeah, if I even got

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Speaker 1: close to a doctorate, I would make make people call

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Speaker 1: me doctor, including my kids and a wife. So who

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Speaker 1: was a doctor? Who is a doctor, but really like

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Speaker 1: an actual doctor. Yeah, she's a she's an actual doctor.

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Speaker 1: That might annoy her a lot. I think you should

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Speaker 1: stay undoctorated or I'm annoyed by the fact that she's

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Speaker 1: a doctor. And when we say hey, how's your day,

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Speaker 1: she has like life changing stories of how she, you know,

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Speaker 1: helped people, And I'm like, I almost introduced Miles and

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Speaker 1: Daniel was the guest host. That's a mess, babe. How

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Speaker 1: are you guys doing? Where are you coming to us?

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Speaker 1: From Well, I'm in sunny Santa Barbara, California, the best

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Speaker 1: place to live in America. I love it here. It's

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Speaker 1: always beautiful here. That's wonderful. Shout and I am I'm

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Speaker 1: joining from Atlanta, Georgia, which I mean, hallifucking luiyah. It

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Speaker 1: is a good day. And yes, hold it out of

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Speaker 1: our teeth, I'm assuming, thank you for your service. Votage. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the right side on that one, oh, the left side,

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Speaker 1: the left side being the right side. Yes, well that's good.

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Speaker 1: Two days later, I guess, but yes, good day because

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Speaker 1: with this drops tomorrow, but yeah, yeah, good good, it'll

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Speaker 1: still be a good day, a good day in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Blue Georgia. Six years. You know, it's a lot like

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Speaker 1: if we'd had to have hershel Walker for six years.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he would have lasted, like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things we're talking about today. I want

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Speaker 1: We might talk a little bit about effective altruism that

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Speaker 1: I mean that I put right at the top. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I heard your motstick episode. It was it was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: It was you got to some really interesting places. All

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Speaker 1: of that plenty more. But before we get to any

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Speaker 1: is something from your search histories that is revealing about

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Speaker 1: who you are? Catherine, you want to start us off? Sure?

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Speaker 1: I looked, and I was like, what's sort of weird

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Speaker 1: that's how you like to Greek with a little head

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Speaker 1: what's something from your search history that's revealing about who

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Speaker 1: You don't really have to watch the movies, and they're

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Speaker 1: and not enough credit given to those trailer cutters, right, exactly,

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Speaker 1: They're the unsung heroes of our time. Really, thank you?

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Speaker 1: Are they the same people who do like the emotional

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Speaker 1: It was like a hundred and nineties something minutes. Wow,

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Speaker 1: so three hours ten. They don't let you to know

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Speaker 1: They'll just go to the movie. But I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: How was the Gretor Girarwig trailer? It was great? I mean,

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Speaker 1: mean the skills have been incredible. But Gregi Gerdwick has

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Speaker 1: what is something you think is overrated? Okay, you ready

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Speaker 1: for it? Gas stoves? Why did I go there? Okay? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know cooking with gas? Right, everybody thinks they're so great.

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Speaker 1: That is the worst thing I've ever seen. Gas stoves

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Speaker 1: fairies die when you put in guest stoves. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you knew that. That's like a new scientific

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Speaker 1: paper that just came out. It's that tick tick tick

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Speaker 1: a dead fair that just keeps keeps going exactly, or

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Speaker 1: I think get your kids asthma. Yeah, yeah, forty more

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Speaker 1: There's a super sketchy gas stove here, and there's one

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Speaker 1: are like wearing the moniker of leadership and absolutely not

425
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Speaker 1: doing their job when it comes to making sure, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, we get to keep living on this extraordinary

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Speaker 1: planet that grows food and like flows water and does

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Speaker 1: all of these amazing things that make it incredible to

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Speaker 1: live here. And yeah, cop who had the most delegates

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Speaker 1: at that at that little shindig, the global Conference of

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Speaker 1: the Parties, the annual sort of rendezvous to talk about

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Speaker 1: our collective future the fucking fossil fuel industry at the

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Speaker 1: most delegates except the United Arab Emirates, which is basically

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Speaker 1: also part of the fossil fuel industry. And it's like

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Speaker 1: this whole thing is insane and the fact that young

436
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Speaker 1: people are feeling that and seeing it, and then they

437
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Speaker 1: don't have anywhere to take that, right, like there are

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Speaker 1: no containers to be to be heard and seen and

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Speaker 1: you know, unless they find themselves in like a great

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Speaker 1: chapter of the Sunrise Movement or something, and even then,

441
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Speaker 1: like holding the existential dread that like any logical being

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Speaker 1: is feeling in this moment, you know, it's it's bananas.

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Speaker 1: And not to mention parents, you know, who are also

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Speaker 1: grappling with like my child is learning about this in

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Speaker 1: school and how do I how do I even have

446
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Speaker 1: a conversation with them? Yeah, your options are basically to

447
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Speaker 1: discredit science or acknowledge that the world is broken, you know, like, well,

448
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: at least we recycle, right, Yeah, But it's and even

449
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Speaker 1: that is you know, inherently like at its core dishonest

450
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Speaker 1: to be like what we're good because of your cycle,

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Speaker 1: Like the I don't really. Yeah, yeah, but you know,

452
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Speaker 1: one thing about our show is that a matter of

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Speaker 1: degrees is that we don't we don't. We don't trade

454
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Speaker 1: in hopelessness. We're not down for that. So you know,

455
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Speaker 1: we actually also did this mini series about what Can

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Speaker 1: I Do? And it's a three part series this season

457
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Speaker 1: that talks about what can I do about climate change?

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Speaker 1: And unsurprisingly it talks about getting a heat pump, you know,

459
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Speaker 1: moving your money so that it's not investing in the

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Speaker 1: fossil fuel industry, thinking about how your job can contribute

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Speaker 1: to it. I mean, like right now, you guys are

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Speaker 1: climate activists. I don't know if you knew that, Like

463
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Speaker 1: your jobs are on the team. Welcome you had us

464
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Speaker 1: on your show, and now we're talking about climate change.

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Speaker 1: Bata boom, bat a bang. That's it right there, you know.

466
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Speaker 1: And also political activism, right, how do we make sure

467
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Speaker 1: we elect climate champions? And we have folks on for

468
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Speaker 1: this nonprofit called Climate Cabinet that helps elect climate champions

469
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Speaker 1: like all up and down the ballot. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not about hopelessness. It's actually about you know, recognizing

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Speaker 1: that we are in a bad place, but that there

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Speaker 1: are things that we as people can do about it.

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Speaker 1: And the biggest things we can do is actually joined

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Speaker 1: together with other people to take political action to help

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Speaker 1: change laws to make a difference in our communities. But

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Speaker 1: even short of that, you know, getting a heat pump,

477
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Speaker 1: getting an induction stove, getting an electric vehicle, getting an

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Speaker 1: e bike right there, allowing vote and love that, that's

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Speaker 1: a great one. You know, there's lots of things we

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Speaker 1: can do. So it's not about hopelessness. But it's also

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Speaker 1: not about being unrealistic about the situation that we're in

482
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Speaker 1: and you know, being real with people about how bad

483
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Speaker 1: this is. There's no Pollyanna Pollyanna bullshit happening like we were, like,

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Speaker 1: we've got to look at the hard reality of where

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Speaker 1: we are and what's headed our way. Even if we

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Speaker 1: even if we do every thing that we can as

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Speaker 1: fast as we can, we're still going to have some

488
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Speaker 1: really intense challenges coming. And to realize we have this

489
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Speaker 1: absolutely stocked toolbox of solutions that are not just like

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Speaker 1: someday maybe if the effect of altruists funded, Like no,

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Speaker 1: it's like stuff we have now and it's working and

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Speaker 1: it makes us healthier and it saves us money. And

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Speaker 1: also even on the climate and mental health stuff. There

494
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Speaker 1: are actually solutions, like we don't just have to curl

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Speaker 1: up in the fetal position alone and despair. Like that

496
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Speaker 1: episode is about how to cope with all the climate

497
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Speaker 1: fields because we're going to keep feeling them, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of that is also about coming together in community

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Speaker 1: for conversation and feeling like we're not alone. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: a really cool thing on task shifting that I want

501
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Speaker 1: to talk about, But just just like going back to

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Speaker 1: the sort of mainstream media sort of blind spot, because

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Speaker 1: I just I don't think that that is something that

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Speaker 1: most people think that when they turn on NPR or

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Speaker 1: like read the New York Times, that they're getting a

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Speaker 1: version of things that are like partaking in this and

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Speaker 1: and I do feel like that like that that is

508
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Speaker 1: a big part of the problem is you know, like

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Speaker 1: like you said, you have this thing, and that it

510
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Speaker 1: feels like there's not an intuitive place to go with it,

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Speaker 1: and it feels like you're reading these contradictory things in

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Speaker 1: you know what what is supposed to be the mainstream media,

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Speaker 1: and it just I don't know, like just an honesty

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Speaker 1: and owning it and like a naming it of like

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Speaker 1: that there is this enormous trauma that we should all

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Speaker 1: be acknowledging and working through together while while we're trying

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Speaker 1: to do things about it individually. But I don't really.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that's a big part of finding a

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Speaker 1: solution that makes it so that the fossil fuel companies

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Speaker 1: don't get to continue to completely define you know that

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Speaker 1: they're fighting things on that level, like by you know,

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Speaker 1: giving the New York Times the shipload of money and

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Speaker 1: stuff too, one of the biggest advertisers at the New

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Speaker 1: York Times. I mean, here's the reality. Fossil fuel companies

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Speaker 1: knew about climate change decades ago before they had scientists, yeah,

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Speaker 1: way before everyday people they did. They had scientists like

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Speaker 1: an Exxon for example, x on Mobile. They had a

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Speaker 1: different name at the time, but they had scientists who

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Speaker 1: were doing research and they were, you know, realizing that

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Speaker 1: when you burn fossil fuels and you put carbon pollution

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Speaker 1: and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, you warm the planet.

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Speaker 1: When you warm the planet, a lot of bad things happen,

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Speaker 1: like drought and you know, more intense hurricanes and really

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Speaker 1: extreme rainfall and heat waves that kill people, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the crazy flooding, for example, that's happening in Pakistan right now.

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Speaker 1: The insane hurricane Ian probably going to be the most

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Speaker 1: expensive hurricane in Florida history. You know, all these things

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Speaker 1: that are happening their linked to climate change. And fossil

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Speaker 1: fuel companies knew about that. And what did they do.

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Speaker 1: They lied? They intentionally lied to the American people. It's

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Speaker 1: very similar to cigarette companies. You know, cigarette companies had

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Speaker 1: their own scientists. They knew that cigarettes caused cancer, but

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Speaker 1: they lied. And the interesting thing about the cigarette companies

544
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Speaker 1: is that they were eventually held accountable by the US

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Speaker 1: justice system, right they had to pay big fines for

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Speaker 1: what they did. And that is what we need to

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Speaker 1: see for fossil fuel companies too. We need to see

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Speaker 1: these companies be held accountable for the decisions that they

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Speaker 1: made to lie to the American people and you know,

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Speaker 1: make it so that you didn't have other choices other

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Speaker 1: than fossil fuels for decades. The good thing is we're

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Speaker 1: in a moment now where there are other choices. You

553
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Speaker 1: can get an electric vehicle, you don't have to use

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Speaker 1: fossil fuels in your homes anymore. But you know, fossil

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Speaker 1: fuel companies really delayed that and they lied to the

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Speaker 1: American people for decades, So they really need to be

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Speaker 1: held accountable. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And probably I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe they should have to sit in rooms

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Speaker 1: with despairing young people and like like absorb that trauma

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00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: that they have they've manufactured, right, both like physically and

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Speaker 1: in in this sense of gas lighting that that you're

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Speaker 1: talking about, Jack, and I think the like that there

563
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Speaker 1: is this huge lie at the core of like just

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Speaker 1: existence in the modern world like that that also goes

565
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Speaker 1: to everything that's happening, like this like rise of fascism,

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Speaker 1: like nihilism among the rich, depression among the young, as

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Speaker 1: we talked about, like a rise of deaths of despair,

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Speaker 1: all these things that you know are caused by people

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Speaker 1: just losing hope and faith and like belief in in

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Speaker 1: that that they exist in like a just world that's

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Speaker 1: like worth fighting for. And it's just like getting that

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Speaker 1: back into the conversation feels like an important part part

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Speaker 1: of the of the job. And it's that like it's

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Speaker 1: that flip side, I think to the headlines you know

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Speaker 1: that you were talking about, right of like we need

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Speaker 1: the headlines that make it clear that we're in a

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Speaker 1: fucking mess um and we're running out of time, and

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Speaker 1: we need the headlines or better yet, the feature films

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Speaker 1: and the like compelling collective stories that help us imagine

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Speaker 1: a transformed world. Right, Like, so much of the climate

581
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Speaker 1: conversation kind of publicly has been like, this is the

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Speaker 1: world we want to avoid, and it's going to take

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of misery and sacrifice to get there,

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Speaker 1: instead of like, this is the incredible future that's possible,

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Speaker 1: and this is what it could mean to go on

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Speaker 1: that journey to get there. I would watch that movie.

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00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: Leah would probably watch more than the trailer. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it's about abundance. You know. So much of what's

589
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Speaker 1: been sold to us is that climate action is is

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Speaker 1: sacrifice and no offense to the whole Tempe conversation earlier. Right,

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Speaker 1: But like you know, it's not about it's not really

592
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: doing any papers there. It's not about giving up your

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Speaker 1: hamburgers or sitting in the cold dark room alone and

594
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: not having a car. Right. Guess what, guys, You can

595
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Speaker 1: have a heat pump that he eats your home. You

596
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: can have an electric vehicle. You can probably even eat

597
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: some meat or some fake meat that's going to exist

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Speaker 1: that you know, tastes exactly the same, but didn't require

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Speaker 1: as much carbon pollution. Right there is innovation happening right

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Speaker 1: now that allows us to live the way that we live,

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Speaker 1: and we like living without all the sacrifice and the

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Speaker 1: way that the fossil pole industry has defined this is

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Speaker 1: about sacrifice because that works for them. That would they

604
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Speaker 1: can say no, no, no, don't change anything. Just keep

605
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Speaker 1: using your dirty gas stove and your dirty you know,

606
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Speaker 1: oil powered car. Just do that for like another couple

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Speaker 1: of decades. Because every single day that we delay, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting the solar panels or the heat pumps or the

609
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Speaker 1: like vehicle. Every day we delay, it makes fossil fuel

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Speaker 1: companies money. That's how they make money. Now, they're like

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Speaker 1: delaying machines. And so they don't want us to think

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Speaker 1: that there are alternatives so that we can keep living

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Speaker 1: our lives and actually have healthier lives, pay less money

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Speaker 1: for our energy bills. You know, they don't want us

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00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: to understand the abundance that's coming for so if we

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Speaker 1: act on climate change, they want us to think it's

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Speaker 1: all doom and gloom, and you know, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to sit alone in the dark nature temp a you know,

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Speaker 1: that's what they want us to think. Um and and

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Speaker 1: Catherine's point out that a temp is not so bad. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I'd say give it a try, Give it a try.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like there's a lot of you guys

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Speaker 1: are doing a great job of like highlighting like very

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Speaker 1: sophisticated and smart, and like there's just a lot of energy,

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Speaker 1: especially coming from this young generation towards like building a

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Speaker 1: future that is sustainable. There's also a lot that is

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Speaker 1: happening on the other side, like you mentioned the fossil

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Speaker 1: fuel like Cop seven becoming a fossil fuel trade show,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the like effective altruism. I keep ranting

630
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Speaker 1: about this, but it's really like it's fooled a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, I think, and even like a very smart

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00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: person who's like, you know, youngest philosophy professor at Oxford

633
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: like full has fooled himself by like he thinks he

634
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: went from like getting bed nets for people in need

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Speaker 1: and like stopping human suffering in the here and now too,

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Speaker 1: he you know, started hanging out with all these like

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Speaker 1: venture capital bros And like billionaires and suddenly climate change

638
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Speaker 1: isn't as important as people say it is. And the

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Speaker 1: thing that we really need to worry about is you

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Speaker 1: know AI and you know ship where like he just

641
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: like through osmosis is like an asshole, but like it's

642
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: it is very sophisticated, and it is like, I don't know,

643
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Speaker 1: I think of like capitalism almost as its own AI

644
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Speaker 1: that has like gone through the singularity like decades ago,

645
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: and it's just like so sophisticated, and it's like fighting

646
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: like that that's what we're fighting against. And they keep

647
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: coming up with these like ideas and arguments and ways

648
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Speaker 1: to fund a form of civilization that is clearly unsustainable.

649
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Speaker 1: Like that that I feel like is the thing that

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Speaker 1: you know, they talk about hyper normalization. Adam Curtis talks

651
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Speaker 1: about this feeling that we're like just living next to

652
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Speaker 1: this massive like organism that can't be understood or slowed

653
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Speaker 1: down or like affected, and so it's like some you know,

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Speaker 1: it's fighting that. And I think like the thing that

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Speaker 1: gives me the most hope is that it does seem

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Speaker 1: like the younger generations are more aware and have a

657
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: more realistic the vision and like grasp of what the

658
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: actual contours of this reality. But I also feel like

659
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: the capitalist machine is going to do its best to

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00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: create like very sophisticated ways and ideas and quote unquote

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00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: philosophies to like bring them into this bullshit you know framework,

662
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: but is currently pasting on inertia. There's a really direct

663
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: threat here too. So you know, this whole Sam Bankman freed,

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Speaker 1: you know, crypto crash that's going on, very tied to

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00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: effective altruism, right because he justified his actions by saying, Look,

666
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Speaker 1: if I can make a lot of money, I can

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Speaker 1: give it away. I can give it away to democrats

668
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: running for office, I can give it away to poor

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Speaker 1: people or whatever. And that makes me a good person,

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00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: even though the fundamental thing I'm doing is actually really bad.

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Speaker 1: Why do I say that crypto? We did an episode

672
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: recently on the podcast, on our podcast Matter of Degrees

673
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: about cryptocurrency, and we dug into the climate impacts, and

674
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Speaker 1: I gotta say, like, WHOA, that was super illuminating and dark.

675
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much people know about crypto, but basically,

676
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: especially with bitcoin, it's a giant number guessing machine that

677
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: requires enormous amounts of energy, and you know, just that

678
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Speaker 1: cryptocurrency alone, the negative environmental impacts from using so much

679
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Speaker 1: dirty energy to just guess numbers. It's actually bigger than

680
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Speaker 1: the positive effect right now of all electric vehicles deployed

681
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Speaker 1: in the year. So every time you see an electric

682
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Speaker 1: vehicle on the road, just think about the invisible crypto

683
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: number guessing garbage that's going on in the background that

684
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Speaker 1: is negating that positive momentum that we're making. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people sort of stuck their

686
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Speaker 1: head in the sand around crypto and the fundamental fact

687
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Speaker 1: that it uses so much energy and is very bad

688
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: for the planet. I mean literally keeping coal plants open

689
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Speaker 1: to guess numbers, you know, when they start their head

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Speaker 1: in the sand because they said, well, it's effective altruism

691
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Speaker 1: we're doing. We're making money and then going to give

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Speaker 1: that money away, And isn't that better because as long

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Speaker 1: as we make money and give it to people than like, actually,

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Speaker 1: we're amazing people were better than those crunchy granola kids

695
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Speaker 1: trying to shut down coal plants because actually, we made

696
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Speaker 1: money and we can give that away, And it becomes

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00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: very circular argument that doesn't cause people to look at

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Speaker 1: the fundamental problem here, which is that you're using enormous

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Speaker 1: amounts of dirty energy to do something that actually isn't

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Speaker 1: that useful. Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong. On crypto,

701
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: especially with the whole number guessing thing, you get diminishing

702
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: returns over time because the numbers get harder to guess

703
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: as the value of it fluctuates and whatnot, And so

704
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: you're spending more and more energy to guess a smaller

705
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: and smaller amount of like numbers to like mint coins

706
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Speaker 1: or something. So eventually the cost of the energy both

707
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Speaker 1: actual like you know, monetary cost, but cost the environment,

708
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: then outweighs the actual value of the coin that's being minted. Yeah.

709
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Speaker 1: I mean that's because it gets more competitive to rite.

710
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Speaker 1: Like if more people want to guess the number, they've

711
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Speaker 1: got to get more powerful computers to do it so

712
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Speaker 1: that they can generate more guesses faster, right, and it

713
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: becomes a kind of arms race where it's like you

714
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Speaker 1: need a really fast computer to guess faster, and the

715
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Speaker 1: probability that you're gonna win and get the number, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna get small. Or if there's more competition and more

717
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Speaker 1: machines actually guessing it. So yeah, basically the environmental impact

718
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Speaker 1: can get bigger as there's more and more people guessing

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Speaker 1: it on more and more powerful machines, so that they

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Speaker 1: get a chance to actually win that coin. Right, So

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Speaker 1: I mean in this in this episode that we did,

722
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: we learned that China has actually banned cryptocurrency mining, so

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Speaker 1: a lot of the miners moved to the United States

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Speaker 1: in the last few years, and that there are literally

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Speaker 1: coal plants in places like Montana that are staying open

726
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: just to provide seven electricity to people guessing numbers. Like

727
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: what that is insane? You know, like if you kept

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Speaker 1: the coal plan open because you were, you know, allowing

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Speaker 1: poor people to heat their homes or you know, something

730
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Speaker 1: that would like somewhat useful. Okay, maybe I mean you

731
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: should really shut down the cold plant. But like this

732
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: is literally just to guess numbers, like what this is

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00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: like it's it's bananas. Just the idea of hoarding an

734
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: illogical amount of money, like an immoral amount of money.

735
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Speaker 1: They even say, by the way, petrochemical careers are fine

736
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Speaker 1: if you're creating wealth and giving it to a charity,

737
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: but first of all, you're creating a person who works

738
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Speaker 1: in petrochemicals, like which like the the human mind and

739
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: a human life is like so valuable and like capable

740
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Speaker 1: of creating so much momentum and meaning in this world,

741
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: and you are just throwing that away to create wealth

742
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: cynically to give it to you who then you are

743
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Speaker 1: saying that you are better able to distribute that wealth

744
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Speaker 1: than anyone else in the world, that like all these

745
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: thrown away lives of working in finance and petro chemicals

746
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: are worth it so that you can have all of

747
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: the money to distribute you to all these different places

748
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: because you're so much smarter than everyone. But you don't

749
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: think climate change is a problem. But it also like

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00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: it misses such a fundamental point, which is there is

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00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: real good, well paid, profit generating work to be done

752
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: solving the climate crisis. So this idea of like whatever

753
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: whatever you do for eight or ten or twelve or

754
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: sucking sixteen hours a day if you're on Wall Street,

755
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: like there's no way to make that part of the solution,

756
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: which is just insane. Like we should be trying to

757
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: align the ways that we spend our time and our

758
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: energy and then also the ways that we align our money, right,

759
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: But it's like it's like overlooking an entire landscape. I mean,

760
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Speaker 1: I'm on some of you know, I mostly got them

761
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: because I'm interesting interested, not because I'm like looking for

762
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: a job in climate tech. But like I get these

763
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 1: emails where I'm like, holy sh it, there's so much

764
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: hiring happening in the really well paid roles, like you know,

765
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So it's like what what And I mean,

766
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: I'm an I'm an Aluma Oxford. I don't want to like,

767
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, shoot on my brethren, but like, when it's deserved,

768
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: it's deserved. And this is quintessential what Emily at Can,

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Speaker 1: our friend who does the climate newsletter Heated, calls first

770
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Speaker 1: time climate dude. It's like, oh, it's a dude who

771
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: thought about climate change for the first time and he

772
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: now thinks he's an expert, and he's probably gonna publish

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Speaker 1: like a piece of the New Yorker about how where

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00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: everything screwed or you know whatever or something like this,

775
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: and you know, be aware if you're a first time

776
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: climate dude, like do a bunch of listening first, primarily

777
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: to women, and then maybe jump jump into the game

778
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: and compared doing what effective altruism preaches, where you throw

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00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: away your life working for an evil cause for like

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00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: a chemical petrochemical company so that you can then get

781
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: your money to this one fund that is then you

782
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: know already has too much more money than it knows

783
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: what to do with with task shifting. Like task shifting

784
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: that you guys talked about in your episode on like

785
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: climate and mental health, was like that that's such a

786
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: great example of like a way to contribute to the world.

787
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: That is like exponential growth. Like the idea that you

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Speaker 1: teach other people to like help other people with mental

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Speaker 1: health so that they then can like build a movement

790
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: of like mental health and people like being able to

791
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: like cope with the immense amount of grief around climate

792
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: change and like that that is like crippling like that

793
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: that just like that that idea of yeah, yeah, yeah,

794
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Speaker 1: I mean if you think about I think I saw

795
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: a number recently that like roughly a billion people on

796
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Speaker 1: the planet are already struggling with some kind of mental healthing.

797
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: The mental health infrastructure that we have is already like

798
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: totally not meeting the existing need, and we're just like

799
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: cooking it up more. Right, as as climate impacts intensify

800
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: and awareness of this issue intensifies, so like there are

801
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: not enough therapists on the planet to possibly use that

802
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: model to to meet the need. Right. And so this

803
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: idea that actually Brett Ray talks about in that episode

804
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: about like peer support counselors and basically equipping normal people

805
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: with these skills that you know, there's real need for

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00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: mental health professionals in certain situations, but for a lot

807
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about, people kind of need like

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Speaker 1: well held you know, containers, like the kind of thing

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Speaker 1: that alcoholics Anonymous right manages to do. It's like those

810
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: are that's peer to peer support, and it gets a

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Speaker 1: lot of people a lot of the way that they

812
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: need to go. And I think it's really citing to

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00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: think about how how more of us could help, right.

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00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: And Yeah, and you know, Catherine edited this book called

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00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: All We Can Save, which I'm also in and it's

816
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: a collection of women writers. And the cool thing that

817
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: she did with that book is that she created a

818
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: whole program called Circles, which is that you can like

819
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: basically read this book with a community of people around you.

820
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: And and that is doing what we're talking about here, right,

821
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: Like you don't have to go get a climate informed

822
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: therapists specifically to talk about the problem and the solutions.

823
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: You could for example, pick up a copy of All

824
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: we Can Save and ask a few friends from work

825
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: or a few friends from your community to sit down

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Speaker 1: and read the book with you over the course of

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Speaker 1: a few weeks and have conversations. You know, that's the

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Speaker 1: kind of scalable model that would allow a lot more

829
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Speaker 1: people to find a pathway into climate work. And that

830
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like professional work. It can also

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Speaker 1: just be in their day to day lives totally. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: like building a human like a connect and based movement

833
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: where you're like connecting with other people and communicating with

834
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Speaker 1: other people as opposed to giving your life to a

835
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Speaker 1: oil company. I'm loving how much you are hating on

836
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Speaker 1: effective altruism. It is amazing. It's I mean it's because

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Speaker 1: like I I've talked about it before people have been like, yeah,

838
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: but they do some good and it's just like there's

839
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Speaker 1: something really like at the very philosophical core and like

840
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: that was what I studied in in school, and like

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Speaker 1: there's just something from the outset at the core that

842
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: I was like, this is there. There's like some eugenics

843
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: buried in there, and its worldview because they're like mechanical.

844
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: It's really weirdly robotic at its heart. Yeah, So I

845
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Speaker 1: don't know, I just I just think I also think

846
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: it's very dangerous because the the apparatus that we're talking

847
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: about that is like you know, the establishment currently and

848
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: that has the New York Times and like has a

849
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: lot of powerful tools at his disposal and a lot

850
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: of inertia. Like they are not going to go into

851
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Speaker 1: the future as like allowing themselves to be defined as

852
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Speaker 1: the bad guy. So they're going to come up with

853
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: something that allows them to be like, no, we're the

854
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: good guys. This is like actually really smart, and it

855
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: was cool that we totally burned down the planet because

856
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: like we made money in the process. Actually, it's funny.

857
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: There's this professor who have criticized who won the Nobel

858
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: Prize in economics for his work on climbate Leon like

859
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: swings really big when she when she takes takes on.

860
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, he you know, his models which he won

861
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: the Nobel Prize for, which was like seriously, um, he

862
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: claims that like you know, yeah, climate change will collapse

863
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: earth systems whatever. But like the thing is, agriculture is

864
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: like four percent of global gdplea GDP, so even if

865
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: all agriculture collapses. It's like nb D because it's only

866
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: four percent and we're going to have like so much

867
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: more growth in other sectors, so like whatever. But then

868
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: you're like, dude, but there'll be no food and that

869
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: can go like I know, right, almost like we're maybe

870
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: undervaluing it with just reducing it to like a GDP

871
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: number the standard to be measuring these things in terms

872
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: of importance. And it's like if the stuff gets so disembodied,

873
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, like these philosophies like in the ether whatever,

874
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: but like we live on a we live on a planet,

875
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: and the planet is real, and like it's if there's

876
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: material stuff that is possible or not possible here and

877
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: if we're not acting acting you know, within the bounds

878
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: of the physical reality of this again like very amazing Earth,

879
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 1: as another one of our lovely climate friends, k Marvel says,

880
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: this is the only good planet, so like we'd better

881
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: get serious, like Mars is a good planet to live here,

882
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: not a good planet, no planet. The way they addressed

883
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: that is by shifting the timeline so they're like four

884
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: years in the future, we'll be able to travel to

885
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: other planets and we will have done that with all

886
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: of our amazing like petrochemical extraction and stuff like we

887
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: will we did that like gold Star for us. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

888
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: it's the Cave and Doctor Strangelove. It's a bunch of

889
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: like rich guys in the room deciding they'll just have

890
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: to be the ones who carry the species forward by

891
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, having sex a bunch in a cave somewhere,

892
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: and yeah it's got to I got to watch that

893
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: film for a class in high school, and I'm still like,

894
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: what a great great Like we had a class movie

895
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: night to watch and discussed. After Strange Love, I'm like,

896
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: I would like to go back to school some days,

897
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: no grades, no homework, just like you know, the experiences, Yeah,

898
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: just the vibes. Al Right, well, enough of the light stuff.

899
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: We do have to get to the mob stick. Let's

900
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: take a quick let's take a quick break and we'll

901
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: be right back and we're back. Yeah, sorry, sorry for Yeah,

902
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: we we ended up filling up a lot of time

903
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: with effective altruism. But when I think the rare, the

904
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: question on everyone's mind is t g I Friday's mots

905
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: sticks got no mots really really a disappointing stuff coming

906
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: out of this uh, this this ex brand food company

907
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: that I'm now a virulent hater of Inventor Foods Incorporated.

908
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: So um oh, but they sound so wholesome. They sound

909
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: inventure foods inventure all right. Well, long story short, A

910
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: federal judge in Chicago allowed a class actually lawsuit to

911
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: move forward when it was discovered that the advertised g

912
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: G I for Friday's Mozzarella Snacks sticks actually do not

913
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: contain mozzarella, but only cheddar cheese. Okay, I know, so

914
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: are these the frozen the frozen one? So the big

915
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: note that we have on this is, if you, like me,

916
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: love to just get your Friday's started by snacking on

917
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: some apps that your local teaching I Friday's fret not.

918
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: The story is not about the actual restaurants. You're good.

919
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: You can still get your points, your whatever cocktail they

920
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: got going on Fridays, and enjoy some apps. Were all

921
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: down for that. However, when it comes to the frozen snacks,

922
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: of which I am also a fan, We're being We're

923
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: being lied to. We're being lied to. And I think

924
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: that this story, while absolutely not important at all, also

925
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: comes at a time when we are seeing the repercussions

926
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: of people taking what is advertised at face value. And

927
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: I think that it is important that we crush this

928
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: narrative that the infant your in the part me that

929
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: the very cool company Invator Food thinks claims is what

930
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: would they say, Uh, it's not reasonable that a customer

931
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 1: would think a shelf stable crunchy snacks product actually contained mozzarella,

932
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: which is such horseshit to me. You can't be advertising

933
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: something and be like, Okay, well surely you didn't actually

934
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: think it was going to have this. Just say it

935
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have it. This is like the Pepsi points thing

936
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: all over. They're like did you watch that? I loved it.

937
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna Oh, Jack Lee would like, what have

938
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: you been doing? There's a Netflix show it's called like Dude,

939
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: Where's My Jet? And it's about this kid who in

940
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: the nineties collected all these Pepsi points so that actually

941
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: he bought them because you could buy them based on

942
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: a fine print, so that he could get a jet

943
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: which was advertised a really expensive fighter jet. And it

944
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: ended up going through the court system and there was

945
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: this really pro corporate judge which we could end up

946
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: with here. I mean, I mean the Judge might just

947
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, mozzarella chet or what's the difference, n

948
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: b D? You know, so, so yeah, it's quite a

949
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: good Netflix show. I would recommend it if you're into

950
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: like nineties nostalgia and like, you couldn't really call it crime.

951
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: I guess it's like advertising false advertise. It's it's quite

952
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: funny and it's what I think. It's what we're going

953
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: through here with the idea that the no reasonable person

954
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: would think. It's that the you have to be at

955
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: this point, we are all so familiar with the idea

956
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: of fine print. It's like everything is on the fine print.

957
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: So any little, like you know, any leeway that we're

958
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: allowed to have, we're looking for that. And so when

959
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: you advertise a Harrier jet for seven million Pepsi points,

960
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm figuring out how to get those seven million pepsi

961
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: points and getting a Harrier jet. And in this scenario,

962
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: if you're saying their mon sticks, I'm expecting to take

963
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: those things out of the microwave, crack them open, and

964
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: have that gooey, gooey mess of mozzarella cheese spill out

965
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: onto my plate. And when you're telling me it's cheddar

966
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: I'm taking you to court for shame. I'm glad that

967
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: kid didn't get a Harrier jet personally, Like, how was

968
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: he planning to fuel that? That is a big part

969
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: of the first episode, yes, but it it moves on

970
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: from there also. I'm just surprised, as a food lover

971
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: such as yourself, that you were a fan of these

972
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: and didn't, like, do have they taken all the flavor

973
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: out of the cheddar to disguise it as mazzarella? Those

974
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: aren't Those are two cheeses that seem like they would

975
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: be easily discernible from one another. You know, that's funny

976
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: that you mentioned that, because like, while cheddar by on display,

977
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: we're back, Um, you know what's fun what's fun about

978
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: cheddar cheese vers? And you find this with like you

979
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: know how Subway had the all of our meats are

980
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: just turkey and blah blah blah. It's like you can

981
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of just inject flavor into these very base substances

982
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: to make them whatever you want. And cheddar is definitely

983
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: one of those kinds of cheese that has such a

984
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: range of flavors. You have your very soft mild cheddars

985
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: to your super sharp Vermonts or whatever, where it's like

986
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: Cheddar can be Cheddar can be anything, baby, But it's like,

987
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: in this particular scenario, you're advertising mots. What are you doing?

988
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: What are you doing? But at least it wasn't American

989
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: find the silver lining American. But that's a different story entirely.

990
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: That goes to the Burger thing, which I'm slowly transitioning

991
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: out of. But alas guys, I think this might be

992
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: as big of a story as like the fossil field

993
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: companies lying to us for like decades about climate change.

994
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean this is like this should be

995
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: on the cover. All have a piece, right. It's like

996
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: it's the sense of like we're a corporation and we

997
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: can say whatever, and we can puppeteer people in ways

998
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: that are minor like the Cheddar slide, and also really major,

999
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: like I don't know, we'll bake the planet and in

1000
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: the world Mozzarella stick and guess what you're not going

1001
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: to get to do on a you know, baked planet.

1002
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: You're not going to get to have those nice Monts realist,

1003
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 1: not to get to have them at all. Nobody wants

1004
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: a future without Moza realistic than cheddar the like shit cheese.

1005
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: I also didn't realize that the people that you could

1006
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, they're trying to serve me cheddar,

1007
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: Like how dare you? I thought cheddar was like it's

1008
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: definitely a more flavorful, Like sharp cheddar is very flavorful.

1009
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. I'm it's always interesting. Like so

1010
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: there's that book Salt Sugar Fat by Michael Moss that

1011
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: is about like the how the food industry operates, and

1012
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: they have this section that I always bring up because

1013
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: it's so mind blowing that like a lot of the

1014
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: like cheesiness of food in the eighties and nineties was

1015
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: driven by an excess of milk fat that they had

1016
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: stored in a cave somewhere. Because of skim milks popularity

1017
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: in the late seventies and early eighties, they had all

1018
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: these fat like excesses, and so they were like all right,

1019
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: so they made deals with fast food companies that and

1020
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: they could get like cheese really cheaply. So I'm just

1021
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: like picturing a cheddar cheese exit like a bumper cheddar cheese,

1022
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: and they're just like backing a truck up to these

1023
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: places just being take this cheddar off our hands, please.

1024
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: The same thing with corn subsidies and high fruc doust

1025
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: corn syrup. It's the same reason. So we have such

1026
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: an excess of it because of how we subsidize it

1027
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: that we just put it in literally everything. Yeah, they

1028
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: can do it. They can get away with it. They

1029
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: can't be sued because the Supreme Court is protecting corporations.

1030
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: Long story short, paid for about the fossil fuel industry, bam.

1031
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: Long story short. Power to the people. Don't be lied

1032
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: to buy these large conglomerates, and don't let Inventure Foods

1033
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: tell you that you can't have motsticks out of the microwave,

1034
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: thank you very much. And don't and don't let whoever

1035
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: did the branding for Inventure food to get near your startup.

1036
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: Just just be honest. If you who doesn't have any

1037
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: milk in it, call it a chocolate drink. And I'm

1038
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: fine with that. And that's what they have done. They

1039
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: made that decision, and I'm fine with that. I'm still

1040
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: sipping on that. You who find yeah, yeah, all right,

1041
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: well Catherine Leah, such a pleasure having you both on

1042
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: the daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you? Follow you here?

1043
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: You all that good stuff. Well, you can find the

1044
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: pod at degrees pod dot com and anywhere anywhere anywhere

1045
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: you get podcasts. Wherever you're listening to this podcast, we

1046
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: are also there. You can find me on social media

1047
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: at dr k Wilkinson and I'm I'm on Twitter, however

1048
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: along that platform lasts at at Leah with an H.

1049
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 1: Stokes and uh yeah, we're out there trying to save

1050
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: the planet and we are always always wanting more people

1051
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: to jump in on the climate bandwagon. It is a

1052
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: cool band wagon and it is open for all, especially

1053
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: with the heat pump up. It's pretty cool. I know,

1054
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: the very fairy dance parties, just like it's very cool.

1055
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: Is there a tweet or some of the work of

1056
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: social media that you've been enjoying, Leah, let's start with you. Well,

1057
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: I think I misunderstood the assignment because I don't know

1058
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: if you're remembered that I read books. Uh my, my

1059
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: media is a book. Oh and actually I think you

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Speaker 1: might quite like this book, Jack, given what you've been saying.

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Speaker 1: It's called Ducks two Years in the Oil Sands, and

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Speaker 1: it's the graphic novel written by Kate Beaton, who did

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Speaker 1: that whole herk of vagrant stuff if you remember. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: she's like a cool comic. Anyway. It's a book about

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Speaker 1: like the horrors that is capitalism and the fossil field

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Speaker 1: industries and it's beautiful. It's it's about the tar sands

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Speaker 1: in Canada, and I just loved it. So, um, that's

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Speaker 1: what That's what I'm really into right now. Ducks two

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Speaker 1: years in the oil sands. But sorry, it's not yeah,

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Speaker 1: d like ducks, like like I just didn't know how

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Speaker 1: to spell, like quack quack like quack quack. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: you go. I don't know if you know words they

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Speaker 1: come in books and stuff. That's like yeah, yeah, now

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Speaker 1: that the quack quack was actually very helpful you Oh.

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Speaker 1: I mean when I saw Dave Wasserman's tweet last night,

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Speaker 1: I've seen enough like that tweet gave me more life

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Speaker 1: than anything on social media recently. I've also on the

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Speaker 1: book thread I've been. Did you know about the Libby app? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's cont to your library cards, lady, Okay, it's connected

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Speaker 1: to your public library and you can just go wild

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Speaker 1: on audiobooks because unlikely I do not have time or

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Speaker 1: enough time to read and so I've been listening to

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Speaker 1: Octavia Butler, Parable of the Sower and now parable of

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Speaker 1: the Talents, and man, I mean there's a guy who

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Speaker 1: runs for president on the theme of make America great again.

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Speaker 1: Like this woman was so tapping into the future. I

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Speaker 1: just read the first one a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 1: Actually I was scared. I was like a little scared.

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Speaker 1: The second one is kind of upsetting, though, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I got about three quarters the

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Speaker 1: way through pair Bold. The talent sounds like this is

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Speaker 1: so depressing, but I mean it's great. She's genius, she's

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Speaker 1: a prophet, she saw the future. But like, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: get it just gets a little depressing, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Like Dannel, I'll go ahead. I know I

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Speaker 1: was going to jump the gun and just say thank you,

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Speaker 1: but now I want to hear from what about you?

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Speaker 1: Do you read books? Are you still on the how

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Speaker 1: about you dumped up? But Lord knows, we're about to

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Speaker 1: bring the quality of the content way down here with

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Speaker 1: a couple of stupid ass tweets because I live for

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Speaker 1: an absolutely inconsequential observation about nothing. So this one comes

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Speaker 1: from Elite of Battle Angel Wait First of all, you

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Speaker 1: can find me on the internet at DJ underscore Danial

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Speaker 1: on all Things. I'm live on Twitch Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.

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Speaker 1: If you want to see bad Rocket League and me

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Speaker 1: eating food in a gross manner. That's not really true

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Speaker 1: to do that all the time, just sometimes, but it's

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Speaker 1: fun to do anyway. This is a tweet from elitea

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Speaker 1: battle angel stand account at Punished Picnic. Here's the problem

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Speaker 1: with fruit. It's inconsistent. Some apples are delicious, some tastes bad.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes blueberries are great, sometimes they are disgusting. You know

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Speaker 1: what's the same every time? Dorrito's that's good point. That's

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Speaker 1: that capitalist consistency. That is where like we could have

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Speaker 1: all of this ship fixed by now, but the instead,

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Speaker 1: like all of our brightest minds went into the labs

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Speaker 1: at Doritos and created the perfect nacho cheese flavor Dorito

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Speaker 1: that you can't stop eating. That is where the greatest

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Speaker 1: minds and the scientific innovations have gone for the past century.

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Speaker 1: I got I got one more slightly more contemporary one

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Speaker 1: from Josh Gondleman at Josh Gondleman. This new AI picture

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Speaker 1: thing is ridiculous. If you want a portrait of yourself,

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Speaker 1: you should get it the old fashioned way by falling

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Speaker 1: in love with the charming stranger on an intercontinental sea

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Speaker 1: voyage and then paying him to draw you like one

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Speaker 1: of his French girls. Yes, thank you, that's the way

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Speaker 1: it's done. Amen to that, Jack, What about you? Gosh

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Speaker 1: a lot of really smart stuff. I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with this tweet from Drill. In real life, Yoda

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Speaker 1: would get eaten by a dog. Yoda, dude, it's just

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Speaker 1: harsh facts. You know. We're all about living in that reality.

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Speaker 1: Oh like that does feel kind of parable. Of the talents.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeichgeist. We're

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Speaker 1: at the Daily Ziegeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook

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Speaker 1: fan page and a website Daily zi geist dot com,

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Speaker 1: where we post our episodes and our foot foot off

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Speaker 1: the information that we talked about in today's episode, as

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Speaker 1: well as we like off to a song that we

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Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. And with Miles out, we like

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Speaker 1: to always ask super producer Justin Smith if there's a

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Speaker 1: song that he would like to recommend. I do. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to visit my beloved home city of Chicago. So tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: so I'll be out for the next couple of days.

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Speaker 1: So I want to shine some light on a Chicago artist.

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Speaker 1: This is an artist named Nax Fortune comes from Oak Park,

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Speaker 1: Shadow Oak Park. This is a song called Little Thing.

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Speaker 1: It's such a nostalgic vibe for me. If you are

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Speaker 1: a child in the nineties, this will really have you

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Speaker 1: feel in a certain way. It's got a low fi

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Speaker 1: d I y kind of style to it and it's

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Speaker 1: just like bright pads and talking about a summer love

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Speaker 1: and it really will send you back to that time

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Speaker 1: of you know, just being in the young kid in

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Speaker 1: the city. So this is a Little Thing by nots Fortune.

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Speaker 1: You can find that in the footnotes. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: we will link off to that in the footnotes. The

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Speaker 1: Daily Zeke is the production of iHeart Radio. For more

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Speaker 1: podcast for my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us this morning, back this

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Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you all then. Bye. Mm hmmmmm.