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Speaker 1: we need we need at least six percent unemployment right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's almost double the unemployment rate. That's hundreds

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Speaker 1: of millions of people we're going who are going to

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Speaker 1: be unemployed. If it said we need ten percent for

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Speaker 1: a year, for a year, I mean we're six percent

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Speaker 1: for like three years. Right. This is actually psychopathic. And

435
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Speaker 1: the backdrop of all of this too is you know,

436
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Speaker 1: labor that has this historic sort of momentum behind it

437
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Speaker 1: in terms of the grassroots organizing that's going on. You've

438
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Speaker 1: had huge skyrocket and the number of union elections, and

439
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Speaker 1: you've had I'm sure we've heard all of this like

440
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Speaker 1: whining of the capitol class of like, oh, we can't

441
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Speaker 1: get workers in the labor market, there's not enough people

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Speaker 1: to work, and we're having to give them raises and

443
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Speaker 1: it's so terrible. They would actually love a higher unemployment

444
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Speaker 1: rate because that imposes a sort of discipline on workers,

445
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Speaker 1: makes it less likely that they're going to file for

446
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Speaker 1: union elections, puts them in a position where they just

447
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Speaker 1: have to take whatever scraps they're ultimately given. So there's

448
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Speaker 1: an incentive here from the capitol class too to discipline

449
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Speaker 1: labor and hike the unemployment rate above and beyond just

450
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Speaker 1: we want to get inflation under control. So that's part

451
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Speaker 1: of an important context here as well. And unfortunately, I mean,

452
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Speaker 1: history bears out that if we go into a recession,

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Speaker 1: if we have unemployment continue to spike, which the last

454
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Speaker 1: jobs report continues to be very sure, we continue to

455
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Speaker 1: create a lot of jobs, they're just you know, wages

456
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Speaker 1: are getting cut by the cost at every single turn.

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Speaker 1: But you know, history shows that if you do have

458
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Speaker 1: unemployment rates spike, you are going to have many fewer

459
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Speaker 1: union elections. You're going to have workers in a much

460
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Speaker 1: more difficult and precarious position. So again, as bad as

461
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Speaker 1: things are now, they can get worse. They can get

462
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Speaker 1: a lot worse if we continue to have inflation because

463
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Speaker 1: we're not dealing with the underlying issues and we're in

464
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Speaker 1: a recession. That is an utter disaster and catastrophe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I look, the inflation is not going to be stopped

466
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Speaker 1: by a cut in demand because only about maybe a

467
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Speaker 1: third of it ish is demand influence, So that means

468
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Speaker 1: two third of it is going to be supplied. We

469
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Speaker 1: really could be living. Also. The other thing is is

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Speaker 1: that let's say that the FED is the only option, Well,

471
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Speaker 1: then you actually have to basically do what Paul Volker

472
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Speaker 1: did in the nineteen seventies and raise interest rates to

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Speaker 1: like twenty five percent and actually induce a massive recession

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Speaker 1: with a you know, crash consumer demand. Jerome Powell says

475
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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to do that, So then you would

476
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Speaker 1: have this weird world where interest rates are like eight

477
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Speaker 1: nine percent, not actually high enough to induce a full

478
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Speaker 1: scale recession, but also not going to deal with any

479
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Speaker 1: of the underlying problems, and we will just you know,

480
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Speaker 1: scale through this thing for years and years and years.

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Speaker 1: I really do think this is going to define possibly

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Speaker 1: the next five years to the next decade. We had

483
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Speaker 1: a decade of easy money and now we're probably going

484
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Speaker 1: to have a decade of some I think hard times. Now. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: you know, there's an argument for that from a libertarian perspective,

486
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Speaker 1: like the best company who's come out of a boots truck. Okay, yeah, maybe,

487
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of

488
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Speaker 1: suffering along the way. Well, we know, coming out of

489
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Speaker 1: the last recession, what really happened is you had a

490
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Speaker 1: massive spike in inequality. Ultimately, the response to the recession

491
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Speaker 1: contributed to that. You had a majority of middle class

492
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Speaker 1: jobs that were lost during the recession. Coming out of

493
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Speaker 1: the recession, the majority of the jobs that created were

494
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Speaker 1: low paid, low wage jobs. So this hasn't worked out

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Speaker 1: well for working class people. Again, the people who have money,

496
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Speaker 1: you know, recessions and opportunity for them. This is the

497
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Speaker 1: same thing we saw last time as well. They went out,

498
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Speaker 1: they snatched up lots of single family homes and apartment complexes,

499
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Speaker 1: They bought all kinds of distressed assets so that when

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Speaker 1: things turned around, they were in a position to massively

501
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Speaker 1: massively profit. So you know, they always win no matter

502
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Speaker 1: the situation. And again they would be happy to see

503
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Speaker 1: labor disciplined a little bit and able, and so that

504
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Speaker 1: they can once again just call all the shots and

505
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Speaker 1: have workers have absolutely no say in their workplace. The

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Speaker 1: last thing I want to say about the FED policy

507
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Speaker 1: because I think it's important to keep the global context,

508
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Speaker 1: and this again is what happened in Sri Lanka. This

509
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Speaker 1: week's continuing to unfold in Stri Lanka is an important

510
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Speaker 1: reminder of this. Are As we hike rates here at home,

511
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Speaker 1: that effectively increases the cost of dollar denominated debt around

512
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Speaker 1: the world. So all of these developing world nations that

513
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Speaker 1: borrowed heavily during the coronavirus crisis to be able to

514
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Speaker 1: take care of their people while their economies were shut down,

515
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Speaker 1: they're in a very precarious position now. And not only

516
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Speaker 1: are they dealing with the knockout effects of the war

517
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Speaker 1: and the massive inflation increases and all of these other

518
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Speaker 1: disruptions that are going around the globe, but then also

519
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Speaker 1: their debt is becoming much more expensive to service, so

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Speaker 1: they are getting squeezed in a lot of ways. That's

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Speaker 1: why you've seen a huge spike in the amount of

522
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Speaker 1: distressed sovereign debt around the globe. You already see a

523
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Speaker 1: sort of flight of investors from developing world bonds that

524
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Speaker 1: can also create a kind of domino effect of instability

525
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Speaker 1: and chaos around the world that, of course doesn't just

526
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Speaker 1: stay in those countries fortieth order effects. They're always exactly

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Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about you all. This is just

528
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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to really stop thinking about this one.

529
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Speaker 1: And we know the details. Of course, we've known them

530
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Speaker 1: now for a while. The cops stood out there, did

531
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Speaker 1: nothing the broad contours. But luckily some hero somewhere leaked

532
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Speaker 1: the video, the full video of the officers and their

533
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Speaker 1: engagement in Uvaldi in the classrooms. Let's go ahead and

534
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Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. Major props to

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Speaker 1: the Austin American statesman. They got the video, They did

536
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Speaker 1: an excellent job doing the analysis. They edited it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: one of the most haunting lines is they say that

538
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Speaker 1: they edited out the screams of the children from the

539
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Speaker 1: video so that none of us would have to hear it.

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Speaker 1: And what they point to is just a level of

541
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Speaker 1: screwery inside which is difficult to comprehend. You can actually

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Speaker 1: see the gunmen come in, You see a child actually

543
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Speaker 1: peek his head around the corner and you can immediately

544
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Speaker 1: hear the gunshots. That's apparently where the screams were edited out.

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Speaker 1: Then within a couple of minutes you see three officers

546
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Speaker 1: come in, come close to the door, get engaged, but

547
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: immediately the moment they have fire, they all run back.

548
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Speaker 1: From that moment forward for another seventy seven minutes, nobody

549
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: goes inside, and we are talking about dozens of guys

550
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: who are gathered within this round, bumping on their phones,

551
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: literally on their phone get sanitized, is bumping getting hand sanitizer.

552
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Speaker 1: It's difficult to describe how aimless so much of this looks.

553
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Speaker 1: We have a video mash up here just look for

554
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Speaker 1: if you know, if this is a sensitive thing or whatever,

555
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I recommend that you don't watch it. But for those

556
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Speaker 1: who can stomach it, let's take a listen. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: the reason that that matters is you can see clearly,

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Speaker 1: I mean, of ten minutes, eleven minutes, there were gunshots

559
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Speaker 1: that were still being fired while these guys were standing

560
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: out there. If you continue to watch, I mean again,

561
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: it's seventy seven minute long video. But if you continue

562
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: to watch, what you see is you got guys milling

563
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Speaker 1: around at the fifty six minute mark, they're like, we're

564
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: going in, but that they don't go in. Everybody's quote

565
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Speaker 1: looking for the keys, even though the door wasn't locked,

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Speaker 1: and also even you know why didn't nobody has for

567
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: the keys earlier? A colossal cluster, you know, the hand

568
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Speaker 1: sanitizer thing we referenced. Just put this up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen. I mean, just look at this guy and

570
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: he's got a helmet on. You know, he's got his

571
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Speaker 1: vest on, he's getting hand sanitizer. People were fist bumping,

572
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: people were checking their phones. People are text messaging, making

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Speaker 1: phone calls. You can say which they have and blamed

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Speaker 1: Pete Aredondo, who was the chief of police who made

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Speaker 1: the call not to go in. The guys were all

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Speaker 1: out there, and ultimately it was the border patrol guys

577
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Speaker 1: at the end who were so disturbed that they even

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Speaker 1: went in. Although to be fair, you know you can

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Speaker 1: see they were standing out there for a little while

580
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Speaker 1: there for a hour two Yeah, so like, look it's

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Speaker 1: not they're not. There's some heroes. I don't know who

582
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Speaker 1: they are. I think the biggest one is probably the

583
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Speaker 1: guy whose wife was I think he was killed and

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Speaker 1: called him and was texting him from the room. He

585
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Speaker 1: tried to go in the study, literally held him back,

586
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Speaker 1: stopped him. You can actually see some of that in

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Speaker 1: the video too, So I don't know that that image

588
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Speaker 1: with the guy in the hands, and it just really

589
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Speaker 1: sticks with me. You know, it's fifty casual too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're all just so casual, like there's nothing going on,

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Speaker 1: like this is no big deal, just hanging around, hanging around,

592
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Speaker 1: and they're tough guy little outfits like they're badasses when

593
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: they're two fucking cowards, too cowardly to go in and

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Speaker 1: rescue these kids. I mean, they they didn't have the kids'

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Speaker 1: screens edited out in real time. They heard that, they

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Speaker 1: heard that gunfire in those classrooms where there are children

597
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Speaker 1: and teachers, and they do nothing for so long. You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the other things that really stood down to

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Speaker 1: me is remember we were told, oh, they engaged the gunman,

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Speaker 1: but they were they were wounded, so they had to

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Speaker 1: fall back. Oh were they really show show me where's that?

602
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: Where does that happen? I mean, it's that was a

603
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Speaker 1: total lion bullshit. And I knew that from the beginning

604
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Speaker 1: because they wouldn't give us any details about like who

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00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: was injured, how they were, how they were doing, were

606
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Speaker 1: they in the hospital. Nothing. None of those police officers

607
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: ended up going to the hospital because they none of

608
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: them were injured. That was a total lie and part

609
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: of their cover up as an excuse for why they

610
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Speaker 1: did not ultimately go in. And to your point, you know,

611
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: they all have wanted to scapegoat this one dude, who

612
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: definitely deserves a lot of blame, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: But you had on the scene there that you see

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Speaker 1: visibly in this video. You have the Evaldi Police Department,

615
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Speaker 1: the regular police department, you have the Uvalde County Sheriff's Department,

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Speaker 1: you have the Texas Department of Public Safety, you have

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Speaker 1: Texas Rangers, you have US Border Patrol, and you have

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Speaker 1: US Martiall Service. Show me in the video where they're

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Speaker 1: having to restrain these people from going it. No, they're

620
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Speaker 1: not trying to go in. They're not like, oh my god,

621
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Speaker 1: we want to go in and this guy just won't

622
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Speaker 1: let us know. They're all doing the same thing, which

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Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing. So listen, as you said, we knew

624
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Speaker 1: a lot of these details already, not because this is

625
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: the story they told us, but it became blatantly obvious

626
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: that they had just kind of hung around and hoped

627
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: someone else would come in and do the hard work

628
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: and do the scary thing that they didn't want to do.

629
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Speaker 1: But to actually see the video and all these guys

630
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Speaker 1: and how casual they are as kids are bleeding out

631
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Speaker 1: on the floor, you can't unsee it. You can't unsee it.

632
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean in the people who are the families here,

633
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: they're so upset. That teacher who we've played a video

634
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: of him before, he just talks. He says he'll never

635
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: forgive these cops. And he was sitting there and I

636
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: want to address on. Other people were like, well, there

637
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: weren't a lot of shots. Afterwards, people bled out in

638
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: that classroom. You don't know how many people died. How

639
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: many if you'd gone in there, you neutralize this guy

640
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: within ten minutes, maybe you could have saved some lives.

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00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people bled out. That's your

642
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: blood loss. And anybody who's worked in the military first

643
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: responder will tell you the first minutes are critical. So

644
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: you let somebody just sit there bleed out for over

645
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: an hour, you're guaranteeing death. At the very least, you

646
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: can give some people, least some people of fighting chance.

647
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: And again that's just something that they are not. They

648
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: won't even acknowledge it. And what's even what pisses me

649
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: off even more, this mayor, this guy is a serious problem.

650
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up there on the screen,

651
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: because he's been playing cover up from the very beginning.

652
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: He went out and actually castigated the Austin American Statesman

653
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: as quote chicken and unprofessional for releasing the video shoots

654
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: footage before the families were able to see it first. Yeah, well,

655
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: why didn't you show it to him? You know, it's

656
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: been over a month and they've been asking for it

657
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: from the very beginning. And this guy is very upset

658
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: because Uvaldi police has been getting to blame. And actually,

659
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: on this part, I will agree with him. He's like,

660
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: it's not like the Texas Department of Public Safety doesn't

661
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: have things to cover up too, And yeah, you're right,

662
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, screw all of you. That's really what it

663
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: comes down to. I was also reading about how there

664
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: was a quote heated debate where Governor Abbott and others

665
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: had wanted to release the video but didn't do anything

666
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: about it. Now, look, maybe his office leaked it, and

667
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: they didn't want I don't know who leaked it. That

668
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: being said, I think the governor and them should still

669
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: be much more forward, and I don't think he should

670
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: come out this way. Don't have to be leaked to

671
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: the Austin American statement. The governor and the Attorney General

672
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: should come out and be like, hey, here's a video.

673
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: Anybody in that video who has shown a dereliction of

674
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: duty is hereby laid off fired by the State of

675
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: Texas at the least the least. Yes, not, you know,

676
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: and and you think about it, given the way laws

677
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: are structured, it's not none of them are ever going

678
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: to face any criminal penalty for what they did here,

679
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: given the Supreme Court and ruling that police don't actually

680
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: have a duty to protect you. But also, you know,

681
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: none of them are really open to civil liability either.

682
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: I personally think they should be. I think this guy

683
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: Radando should be sued to high health for for what

684
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: he did at the again, and because at least you

685
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: can tie back the decision making to him. But there

686
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: are a lot of there are a lot of individual

687
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: actors who made terrible, terrible, terrible decisions that day. I mean,

688
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: at least we have the video, at least we can

689
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: all see it. I think it's really disgusting that the

690
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: mayor tried to like use the residence of like, oh,

691
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: how dare you release this? They wanted it? Yeah, of

692
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: course a resident shot back because he said, oh, these

693
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: journalists are chicken and unprofessional for releasing the footage, and

694
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: they said a resident shot back asking him he thought

695
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: the cups were chickens? How about that? So the residents,

696
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure, feel that this has been a service that

697
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: has done that gives the public and gives them some

698
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: at least answers about what actually happened. So to hide

699
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: behind this, I mean, it's just total bullshit. It really

700
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: has been a cover up at all levels. And by

701
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: the way, there is still a lot of information that

702
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: has not come out because they are blocking the release

703
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: of the bodycam footage, any and all documents relevant to

704
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: that day at every level, from the county to the state.

705
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: They are standing in the way of that information ultimately

706
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: being released to the public. And at this point, I mean,

707
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: the very least, given the colossal, what should be criminal

708
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: failures that happened here, the very least they can do

709
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: is provide these families the truth of what unfolded on

710
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: that day, and people who are relatives of the victims

711
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: reacted and they're disgusted, they're horrified, and like, you know,

712
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: this is the main thing. It's not just the Evaldi police.

713
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: There were Feds there, Board Patrol, Texas Rangers, US marshals,

714
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: us Mark all of them should be dragged before. I mean, look,

715
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: can't somebody in Congress step up to you have subpoena power.

716
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true, yea, drag the rasses before Congress, make them,

717
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, make them testify and or let them believe

718
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: the fifth if they want to. But let people see

719
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: it because the video I think should just be the

720
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: starting point. I mean, I'm not naive, and I think

721
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: most of these guys will keep their jobs, which is

722
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: honestly the most disgusting part of this entire thing. All right,

723
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: let's talk about Ukraine. Let's go ahead and put this

724
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. This is something that we've

725
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: been warning about from the very beginning and finally beginning

726
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: to come true. The European Union and NATO governments are

727
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: now sounding alarm over arms smuggling from Ukraine into Europe.

728
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: As governments fret over billions of weapons to Kiev our

729
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: sending up after they cross the border. And I think

730
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: this is a very important piece because it's something that

731
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: we really were trying to warn about from the beginning,

732
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: which is that what you can see is that the

733
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: billions of dollars in weapons that we're sending to Ukraine. Now,

734
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: of course we're sending them to the Ukrainian military, but

735
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian military is not just a whole organization. We

736
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: found this out the hard way. In the Afghan military,

737
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: there are many different composite parts. There's sometimes there's not

738
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: good people who are in there, and sometimes they're willing

739
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: to accept cash from really shady people and just sell

740
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: them elsewhere and then come back to the US and say, hey,

741
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: by the way, we used all those weapons, we need

742
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: even more weapons. And what they point to is that

743
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: initially Ukrainian officials actually maintained a register of the firearms

744
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: who were handed out to civilian but the practice was

745
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: abandoned as the war progressed, and firearms have been distributed

746
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: without records since then, and there is no currently real

747
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: register of any of these weapons the moment that they

748
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: end up in Ukraine. So the way that the kind

749
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: of possession process work is NATO in the US. We

750
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: take the weapons there, we scan them, we have good records, obviously,

751
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: and we hand them over. Well, the moment that they

752
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: get on a truck in Ukraine and go wherever the

753
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: hell they're supposed to go, nobody knows. And from that point,

754
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: we have seen this happen in Libya, We saw it

755
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: happen in Syria, we saw it happen in Afghanistan. We

756
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: saw how Libyan and Syrian weapons had a dig all

757
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: across all sorts of crazy conflicts. I mean, don't forget

758
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: this stuff can bleed back. You know, even when Syria,

759
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: for example, remember those Paris attacks. I mean a lot

760
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: of that was organized in Isis territory in Syria, the training,

761
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: the planning, so a vacuum of vacuum of power with

762
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: an influx of weapons has never worked out for modern

763
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: Western policy, except this one is actually on the European continent.

764
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: So you could see very sophisticated weapons and weapons systems

765
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: ending up in the hands of all sorts of crazy

766
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: people with cash. You know, there's Chechens, separatists, there's you know,

767
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: we've got the dagistanis you know who are also in Russia,

768
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: that there's no shortage of separatist groups in Western Europe

769
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: and militias elsewhere in all these people would love to

770
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: get their hands on some brand new weapons from the

771
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: United States or from NATO. And that's exactly what they're

772
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: warning about in this piece. Yeah, they say they quote

773
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: a Western official who says, all these weapons land in

774
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: southern poland get shipped to the border and then are

775
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: just divided up into vehicles to cross trucks, fan sometimes

776
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: private cars, and from that moment on, we go blank

777
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: on their location and we have no idea where they go,

778
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: where they are used, or even if they stay in

779
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: the country. You'll recall that the last massive authorization of

780
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: spending that passed through Congress, I think it was Rand

781
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: Paul who said, hey, let's have some accountability along with this.

782
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: How about we track, actually track, and you know, make

783
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: sure we're keeping account of where these weapons go and

784
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: who they end up with, etc. Got voted down. They

785
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: said no. And that's exactly the problem when you have

786
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: just a total blank tech is you know, they can

787
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: sell off some of these weapons, they can go into

788
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: the black market, they can make some cash, and they

789
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: can just come back to their American patrons and say, oh,

790
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: we use those, we need more, and maybe Sazelenski he

791
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't even know about it. Like many No, I'm not

792
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: putting this, That's what I'm saying. List Ukraine was not

793
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: a well run country. Like let's not have any illusions

794
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: about Ukraine being some like really super efficient and non

795
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: corrupt nation before any of this happened. It was not.

796
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it ranks very poorly on measures of corruption,

797
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: so there are a lot of holes in the system

798
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: through which anything can slip. We literally just saw this

799
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: whole story play out in Afghanistan. I mean I've told

800
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: some stories here before about how the Afghan military kept

801
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: requisitioning all this gas and the military commanders like how

802
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: are they using all this gas for the Humbies that

803
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: were like, oh, they didn't use them at all. They

804
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: never even drove the Humbies. They sold the gas at

805
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: a profit. They just took it from us and then

806
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: sold it off. Take that and multiply by seven hundred billion. Well,

807
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: now we've got four hundred or forty billion of so

808
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: far of what we've shipped over to Ukraine, or at

809
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: the very least it's been appropriated, and just yesterday it

810
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: was like one point seven billion in additional aid that's

811
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: heading over there. I'm not saying that some of the

812
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: weapons that we're giving them aren't making an effect. Throw

813
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: this next one up there on the screen. You know.

814
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: They've been using these new st these new anti aircraft

815
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: systems against air defense systems in Russian territory, which has

816
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: actually been very helpful. There's been a lot of jokes

817
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: and memes in the military community about how the Russians

818
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: for some odd reasons store their ammunition and others in

819
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: like very concentrated places, which obviously make them easier in

820
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: order to hit with Ukrainian support by the Ukrainians with

821
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: US supplied technology, but it also does highlight like, hey,

822
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: what if one of these things gets into the wrong hands,

823
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: that could be a very serious problem. And we saw

824
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: the exact play out of this in the nineteen nineties

825
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: whenever Ukraine specifically was a major shipping ground for all

826
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: sorts of black market weapons all across the world. Nobody

827
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: knows where the hell all of this stuff is going

828
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: to end up in the future, and that exactly highlights

829
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: the issue. And at the same time, our producer James

830
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: been highlighting this and pointing to it. Let's put this

831
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: up there, which is that there is still a major

832
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: problem right now in terms of grain exports. Remember that

833
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: Ukraine was one of the world's largest shippers of grain.

834
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: It's always been known as kind of one of the

835
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: bread baskets of Europe. And there's been ongoing plans right

836
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: now to try and get some of this damn grain

837
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: out of the Black Sea in order to alleviate some

838
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: of the issues with global hunger. But that still has

839
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: not been has not been hammered out, it's not completely

840
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: finalized with a deal, and it just highlights that there

841
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: are major spillover effects from this conflict, which people refuse

842
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: to discuss. One of the reasons that ran Paul elsewhere.

843
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: I knew even when we were shining alarms about this,

844
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: people will be like, oh, you're you know, you're just

845
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: trying to throw kinks into It's like, listen, we're not talking.

846
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: You can still support Ukraine and learn from It's not

847
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: ancient history. It just happened. We ran this whole experiment

848
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: multiple times in the twenty tens and we want and

849
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: then before that, in the nineteen eighties, It's happened over

850
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: and over again, and we never learn our lesson and

851
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: people call you a propagandist or whatever if you point

852
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: it out. It's like, listen, you know, we have broader

853
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: interests outside of just Ukraine, but that itself is a

854
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: foreign mindset to a lot of people. Yeah, I mean, listen.

855
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: Of course, the worst suffering is being committed on Ukrainian soil.

856
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: You know, there's no doubt about it. The Ukrainians are

857
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: the ones who are suffering the most this whole situation.

858
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: But there is a lot of suffering around the globe

859
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: that is not gone effects from this crisis, from this war,

860
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: in the rising food costs, in the fact that a

861
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: lot of places that really depend on Russia for fertilizer

862
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: because of the banking sanctions, effectively can't get it. So

863
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: that means you not only have higher food prices, but

864
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: you have a drop in crop productivity, so that you know,

865
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: countries are unable to feed themselves. They're having to try

866
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: to import more grain, more you know, basic staples of

867
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: their people's diet, unable to do it under stress from

868
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: all kinds of different directions, and so you're seeing a

869
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: truly historic amount of hunger and people who are struggling

870
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: with famine and food insecurity. You'll have nations that are

871
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: on edge and on crisis. I mean, the bread riots

872
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: have already started in all kinds of places around the globe.

873
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: As I was alluding to before. You also have nations

874
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: that are being pushed closer to the brink of default

875
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: on their sovereign debt. Sri Lanka already obviously that has happened.

876
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: Pakistan is another nation that has really been pushed to

877
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: the edge. So this war is causing a lot of

878
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: chaos around the globe. Now Listen, no one here is

879
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: saying that it would be easy to end, that the

880
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: US could snap their fingers and it could be all over.

881
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: That is not the case. But our posture, our strategy

882
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: has not been to even try to push for negotiations

883
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: in some sort of a settlement, which is going to

884
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: be very politically difficult for Zelensky, There's no doubt about it,

885
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: because it seems that the bulk of the Ukrainian people

886
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: believe they can win, believe that they don't have to

887
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: seed any kind of territory. We should be putting pressure

888
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: on our allies to try to bring this thing to

889
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: the clothes, rather than what we've been doing, which is

890
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: putting pressure on the Ukrainians to keep this thing going,

891
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: because this is a disaster for the entire globe, and

892
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: it is first and foremost a disaster for the Ukrainian people.

893
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: Having a war, an endless war on their soil, is

894
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: going to devastate this country for years and years to come. Yeah,

895
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: that's right. I mean, look, you know it's going to

896
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: take a long time. Even if we decided to pursue peace,

897
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: and we all watched what happened with Syria. Syria dragged

898
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: on for years and year, and the longer it went,

899
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: the more weapons that were flowing per capita into that place.

900
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: And go ask, you know, people who live in Syria

901
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: how that worked out for them. So the Syria becoming

902
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: a playground of the great powers is probly the worst

903
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: thing that happened to the actual Syrians themselves, And I'm

904
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: sure a lot of them would have preferred at least

905
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: something in twenty twelve or twenty thirteen as opposed to

906
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: the bloodshed that eventually came twenty fifteen onward. All right,

907
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: shall we check in with our friend John Bolton? Yes,

908
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: do it? Former National Security Advisor under Donald Trump. Also

909
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: former UN Ambassador under President George W. Bush. So he's

910
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: served in all sorts of Republican administrations. And he was

911
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: recently on CNN with Jake Tapper and they were talking

912
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: about whether Trump was really competent enough to plan and

913
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: execute a coup. John Bolton had some interesting insight on this.

914
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. With all due respect, one doesn't

915
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: have to be brilliant to attempt a coup. I disagree

916
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: with that as somebody who has helped plan coup d'eta

917
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: not here but you know other places. It takes a

918
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: lot of work, and that's not what he did. I'm sorry,

919
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: come again. I mean not that any of us are surprised,

920
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: but John Bolton has been involved in planning coups, but

921
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: usually they try to keep that quiet. Here he is

922
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: just brazenly saying the quiet part out loud, just openly

923
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: admitting to it casually like this is a perfectly fine

924
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: and acceptable thing to cop tail. Oh yeah, it was

925
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: completely nuts, and it's the reaction will get is really

926
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: funny from the neo cons who still support Bolton. Yes,

927
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: but it was one of those just absolute quiet part

928
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: out louds. Maybe he was trying to be funny, but

929
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that there is some truth.

930
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: He's got a long career assistant Secretary of State, and

931
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: obviously he hasn't made his views private on this, and

932
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: Jake Tapper actually continued to press him on this. Let's

933
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: listen to that. When we were talking about what is

934
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: capable of what you need to do to be able

935
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: to plan a coup, and you say that your expertise

936
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: having planned coups. I'm not going to get into the specifics,

937
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: but successful coups. Well, I wrote about Venezuela in the book,

938
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: and it turned out not to be successful. Not that

939
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: we had all that much to do with it, but

940
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: I saw what it took for an opposition to try

941
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: and overturn an illegally elected president and they failed. The

942
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: notion that Donald Trump was half as competent as the

943
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 1: Venezuelan opposition is laughable. But I think there's I feel

944
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: like this other stuff you're not telling me, though I

945
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: think I'm sure there is. Well, so that's actually interesting

946
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: having lived through some of that. When I was covering

947
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: the White House, they refused to say it. It was

948
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: a coup if you remember that, and now there was

949
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot there were people were like, well, hold on

950
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: a second here, you know, you're recognizing some guy who

951
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: is like the part momentary leader as a leader of Venezuela, Like,

952
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: what right do you have to do that? Whenever, clearly

953
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any position where he has any hope

954
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: of actually becoming the product became a whole thing. I mean,

955
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: that guy visited Washington, he was given like diplomatic recognition.

956
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: It was totally pet parts. I remember there was standing

957
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: ovation for him and all the dureau government by the way,

958
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere, and now we need their oil. I

959
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: don't know if people have checked that out. So it

960
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: was anyway, I remember covering at the time and people

961
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: were asking like, hey, is this a us KU Dayton?

962
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. You know, we're representing the diplomatic or the

963
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: democratic will of the Venezuelan But I'm not going to

964
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: claim Duro is democratically elected or wan God Okay, like

965
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: the whole country is a complete mess. The whole point

966
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: is that when you start trying to meddle in other

967
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: countries like this specifically, it's really weird. Yeah, and that

968
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: is to have him just say it out loud in

969
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: that way and also just fully acknowledge is just it's crazy, right,

970
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: because the mythology I think in America now is like, well,

971
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: we during the cold, of course, you know, out of

972
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: our we didn't really want to. We're kind of for starting.

973
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: We had to do these coups. Wasn't great to serve

974
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: American interests, read capitalist interests, but you know that passes

975
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: all behind us. And here's John Bolton out right being like, yeah,

976
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: cous Venezuela, I remember, just a couple of years ago

977
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: we were involved in that, which again, at the time,

978
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: there's no way they would have admitted to the fact

979
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: that they were basically trying I mean not basically, they

980
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: were literally trying to foment a coup in the country.

981
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: Now in the modern era, and here's John Bolton just

982
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: admitting it on television. The response was equally revealing. Though,

983
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put up first of all, this

984
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: is from put up D three here. This is from

985
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: someone who's Bronco Marcetic, who I think is a good

986
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: and smart observery. Since I hope my American followers can

987
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: understand how extreme and abnormal this is, I don't know

988
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: any other country where former official can just openly say

989
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: this and then the journalists interviewing him simply nods along

990
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: as if it's completely unm I mean, at least Tapper

991
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: as a brain and is capable of like listening and

992
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: then following up. But he kind of chuckled like this

993
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: was some sort of a joke, like a ha ha,

994
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,479
Speaker 1: of course we do, cous Yeah, there's no other nation

995
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: on earth that would just outright admit to this casually,

996
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: like this is no big deal, and then everyone just

997
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: goes on as usual. And I'm sure John Bolton would

998
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: be back in a cable news green room next week.

999
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: Super weird. Yeah, and I also love, yeah the January

1000
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: sixth thing, Oh that you know, you gotta put you

1001
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: gotta have hearings and all this on this They're like, oh, yeah,

1002
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: you know he was talking about cool. It's like, well,

1003
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: hold on a second, because that was not by Parson

1004
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: you or I was, but in practice, but Congress never

1005
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: voted on that. You know, people are supposed to have

1006
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: some sort of democratic input. Nobody wants to have hearing apparently.

1007
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: Just amazing to me, which coup planners are you know,

1008
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: pushed out and which are allowed. I have a little

1009
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: bit to say on that in my monologue as well,

1010
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that is the great irony of

1011
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: this whole set piece is Bolton has been brought on

1012
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: to you know, disparag for good reason Trump and his

1013
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: insanity with regards to January sixth, and yet he is

1014
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: admitting to committing the very same crime just overseas. Since

1015
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 1: it was overseas, I guess we're able to chuckle about

1016
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: it and it's no big deal and he'll be perfectly

1017
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: fine in the cocktail circuit here in Washington, although some

1018
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: of his friends are a little bit peeved at him.

1019
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: First we have Ken Klippenstein just saying, Hey, wouldn't it

1020
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: be nice if Congress looked into that whole jo John

1021
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: Bolton orchestrating Kuh's thing. Yeah, that would be useful, wouldn't it.

1022
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: Maybe once we get past the January sixth hearings, maybe

1023
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: we might look at other coups that our government officials

1024
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: have been attempting to perpetrate. But then you have with

1025
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: this next one up on the screen. Lindsey Graham noted

1026
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: Neo khn his reaction quite telling. He says he was

1027
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: surprised by John Bolton admitting to cous quote it was odd.

1028
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: It was like, be more specific, I've always liked John,

1029
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: I agree with him on foreign policy, but was just

1030
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: kind of an offhand comment that rattled the system. So

1031
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: note here, it's not the coups that are the problem.

1032
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: He outright says, I agree with him on foreign policy.

1033
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: I think you know, that's great work that he's doing.

1034
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: Just why did you have to say anything about you're

1035
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: rattling the system by being actually honest about the horrific

1036
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: deeds that you're committing overseas. That's the problem here. And

1037
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: we also had John Cipher, who's like a former CIA

1038
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: oph go and put this on the screen. He said,

1039
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: he's full of shit. He never planned a coup. Throw

1040
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: the next one up there. What else did he say?

1041
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: He says, I see a lot of misinformed people using

1042
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: this to push an agenda. My point is that Bolton's

1043
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: common is dangerous because it says of false people, the

1044
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: American people's senior official sit in the White House, of

1045
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: choreographed coups. That's nonsense. Well, you know, given the fact

1046
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: that he was a national security advisory, we should at

1047
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: least take it seriously. And then the all time you

1048
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: admit literally is talking specifically about Venezuela, and I'm sure

1049
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: are others as well, but this happened in recent years,

1050
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: so to pretend like this didn't happen is actually the nonsense, right.

1051
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: And then the final one, which was hilarious, David from

1052
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: the bright red Light indicates the camera microphone are on.

1053
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: Former national security advisors should measure their words and avoid

1054
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: cynical jokes that give aid and comfort to those who

1055
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: do not wish this country. Well what Larkenstein says, how

1056
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: do you know it was a jake joke? David, Yeah,

1057
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: that's a great question. So anyway, I think that we

1058
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: should all be asking a little bit more questions about

1059
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: John Bolton, Yeah, and stop allowing him on television to

1060
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: just be all he's good for is bashing Trump. But

1061
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, there's a lot of other stuff

1062
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: you can ask too, as he just hahazardly admitted, which

1063
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: is kind of hilarious. Right. Yeah, I mean I would

1064
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: love to see him pushed a little more, you know,

1065
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: in detail on these things. That would be worthwhile having

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00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: John boldenont for that conversation, But that doesn't seem to

1067
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: be the direction they typically want to go. And yeah,

1068
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: I just love how the neo con reaction wasn't you know,

1069
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: horror at the things that our country does overseas, But

1070
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: that he would say it, that he would say it

1071
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: out loud, that he would brazenly admit to it publicly,

1072
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: was that was the real issue. And so they have

1073
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: to pretend like, ah, of course he's just kidding that

1074
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: old John, what a jokesterarly in the context, I mean,

1075
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: he's not making a joke there, and then again goes

1076
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: on to give some specifics about what he means. So

1077
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: in what way is this a joke? Exactly January sixth

1078
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: committee hearings are happening. One of the undercovered elements of

1079
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: all of this is what exactly was the role of

1080
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: police informants, FBI and others in the actual riot at

1081
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: the Capitol. Now, we are no way saying that they're

1082
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: the ones who are fully responsible for it. Obviously Trump

1083
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: is the one who started to stop the deal and that,

1084
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: but we do know that there were informants that were there,

1085
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: and there's been a long standing question as to what

1086
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: the level of involvement was, how much did they know,

1087
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: if they did know, and they had so many informants.

1088
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: Why did it happen in the first place. These are

1089
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: all fantastic questions. You don't have to be a conspiracy

1090
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: theorist in order to ask these. One of the individuals

1091
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: has come under scrutiny is a guy named Ray Epps,

1092
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: and he was a protester who was there. The reason

1093
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: why is because there's video that has been come out

1094
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: and edited together which shows him repeatedly on the night

1095
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: of January fifth, and then on the morning of January sixth,

1096
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: saying we need to go into the capitol. We need

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00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: to go into the capitol, and fellow protesters were so

1098
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: suspicious of him that they are actually chanting the word

1099
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: fed at him. So let's take a listen to this

1100
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: video just so you guys get an idea of who

1101
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: this person is. Tomorrow, we need to go into the capitol,

1102
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: the capitol. That that tomorrow. I don't even like to

1103
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: say it because I'll be arrested. We need we need

1104
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: to go I'll say it all right, we need to

1105
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: go in. Shut the fuck up, Boomer to the capitol.

1106
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: He's fed puss. We need to go into the capitol.

1107
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming in. Okay, we are going

1108
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: to the Capitol where it's that word. All right, no, Dave,

1109
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: but one more we go up there. When we go in,

1110
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: we don't need to get shown all. Now, it's been

1111
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: a while since January sixth, and mister app has actually

1112
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: basically been missing for a long time. Well, the New

1113
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: York Times somehow found him at a quote unquote secret

1114
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: location and interviewed him. So let's put this up there

1115
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: on the screen. Now. This is very interesting because they

1116
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: portray a sympathetic figure of Ray Epps. He had to

1117
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: sell his business. I'm sure that you know people have

1118
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: been trying to and you know, I don't condone any

1119
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,479
Speaker 1: harassment of this guy any of this stuff. But what's

1120
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: fascinating to me or a couple of things. Crystal number one.

1121
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: Epps acknowledges actually that he contacted the FBI quote minutes

1122
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: after discovering that agents wanted to talk to him. At

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00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: no point in this entire article and interview did the

1124
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: FBI ever ask him, hey, so, did you ever have

1125
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: any affiliation in any way with the FBI whatsoever. They

1126
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: also acknowledge in the article that ray Epps has not

1127
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: been charged by the FBI despite admitting to breaching the

1128
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: barriers of the Capitol. Now he says, and there is

1129
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: no video evidence to claim that he ever entered the building.

1130
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: He claims now though a very different tone. Now, ray

1131
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: Epps says he may sue dominion or he may like

1132
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: join lawsuits against stop the steal people. He now says

1133
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: disinformation is like a scourge. He's reciting quite a few

1134
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: kind of liberal talking points that would be very amenable

1135
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: to CNN and elsewhere, and seems to have completely abandoned

1136
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: his entire like MAGA outlook to the point where he

1137
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: was encouraging people to breach it. Maybe it's genuine, I

1138
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's very odd. There were two things

1139
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: that stood out to me about the article. Is, first

1140
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: of all, have there been any other sympathetic portrayals of

1141
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: anyone who was at the Capitol. That's a fantastic Yeah, yeah,

1142
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: that's excellent. Maybe, but I haven't seen him, And this

1143
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: was a very sympathetic portrayal. And I am always in

1144
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: favor of you know, people are complex, They make mistakes,

1145
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: they feel one way one day another day, they get

1146
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: hyped up, they say stupid shit, they do stupid shit,

1147
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: Like I am in favor of foregrounding the complexity of

1148
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: human beings, so I don't have an issue with that,

1149
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: but I do think it's interesting that this is the

1150
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: one character that they decide to take that approach to

1151
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: and have this very sympathetic portrayal and really kind of

1152
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: whitewash the extent of his involvement, because, as you just

1153
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: show in that video, the way they portray in this article,

1154
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: if you just read this, he may have said to

1155
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: one person the night before, like, oh, we should go

1156
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: into the Capitol, but that's it, not over and over

1157
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: and over and over and over again, to the point

1158
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: that the people around him are like, this seems like

1159
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: a setup. Are you a fed? He also talks about

1160
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: how he has regrets. This is the quote from the piece.

1161
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: Epps also said he regretted sending a text to his

1162
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: nephew well after the violence had already erupted, in which

1163
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: he discussed how he helped to orchestrate the movements of

1164
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: people who were leaving mister trump'spech near the White House

1165
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: by pointing them in the direction of the Capitol. So again,

1166
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: that's very different than the rest of the portrayal of

1167
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: him in this piece. Which is very like, oh, we

1168
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: just happened to be there, and actually they say, oh,

1169
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: he was trying to prevent protesters from engaging with law enforcement,

1170
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: and they paint him out as like, you know, a

1171
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: sort of like attempted hero of the situation. Is the

1172
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: portrayal that you know that they go with here. So

1173
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: I thought that was I thought that was very I

1174
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: thought it was noteworthy. I guess just that this is

1175
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: the individual that they decide to give the really favorable

1176
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: portrayal to. It also pissed me off that they say

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00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: the baseless idea that the FBI was behind the attack

1178
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: on the Capitol. Now, look, maybe Tucker has said that,

1179
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: never heard that here. You've never heard that from a

1180
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: lot of people, Glenn Greenwall and others who are asking

1181
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: what the hell happened on the day. It's not a

1182
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: basis idea to say the fact that there were police

1183
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: informants who were there on January sixth, We really know

1184
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: that from court filance, we know it from New York Times.

1185
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: Was the they're reporting a conspiracymongers now are saying this

1186
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: is a false flag. There they are the outlet that

1187
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: first acknowledged that there were people in contact with the

1188
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: FBI who were there inside the capitol. So again I

1189
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: have no idea who this man is, what he thought

1190
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: he was doing in that day, what he really was

1191
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: doing on the day, or any of that. But I

1192
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: think the total lack of curiosity about that piece and

1193
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: the attempt to straw ma in and dismiss anyone who

1194
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: would say, hey, you know, it would have been great

1195
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: if this was all disrupted and prevented, which is what

1196
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: the FBI is supposed to be involved with. So if

1197
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: there was connectivity with some of these participants on the ground,

1198
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: which it would be strange, It would be unusual if

1199
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: there wasn't, because we know they've infiltrated groups like the

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01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: oath Keepers. Then why weren't you able to see this coming?

1201
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: Why weren't you able to disrupt it? I think those

1202
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: are extremely legitimate questions that you're basically not allowed to

1203
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: ask her your conspiracy. And here let me ask you this.

1204
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: Why is a Qan? By the way, I have no

1205
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: simple If the QAnon shame it looks like total loser.

1206
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: But why is n Shaman have got forty one months

1207
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: in prison and prosecuted by the FBI, and then the

1208
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: guy who on the night of January fifth, and all

1209
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: throughout January sixth, is repeatedly asking people and admittedly sending

1210
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: text messages about orchestrating people. Why has he never been

1211
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: charged by the FBI? They even acknowledge in the piece

1212
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: the FBI has never stated why they decided not to

1213
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: prosecute him. There is clearly you could go after someone.

1214
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: Look at the number of people that have been prosecuted

1215
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: on this, and again I have no sympathy for many

1216
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: of these people. They broke the law. Fine, you should

1217
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: be prosecuted to the full extent of it. But when

1218
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: you point that, then it should be equal application. And

1219
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: that's the issue. Sure, I'm glad you know the Proud Boys,

1220
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,959
Speaker 1: oath Keepers all of that, although I do think they're

1221
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: going to have a very very hard time proving this

1222
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: edition case against the Oathkeepers in the way that just

1223
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: based on US case law and all that, and they

1224
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: probably have been better off just focusing on pure just riot,

1225
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: conspiracy to riot or whatever on EPs. I mean, he's

1226
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: never once set foot in the jail time and he

1227
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: also says that he contacted the FBI quote minutes within

1228
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: this is happening, and none of us are even claiming

1229
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: that this guy even works for the FBI. Maybe he

1230
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: was an informant, maybe you know, who knows what the

1231
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: level of involvement exactly was. This was one of the

1232
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: pieces that was always a little eyebrow raising, is he

1233
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: had appeared on an FBI list of people who were

1234
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: looking for in connection with January sixth, and he was

1235
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: up there one day and then the next day he's

1236
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: taken off. His explanation for it in this piece is, oh,

1237
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: it's because the minute that I heard this, I contacted

1238
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: the FBI hard to say why that would lead them

1239
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 1: to being like, you know, like immediately, so why would

1240
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: they just prosecute right or did you enter a plea agreement? No,

1241
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: because we would know that. So the explanation that's given

1242
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: here is that because he didn't breach the capitol. According

1243
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: to him, and again there is in video evidence, but

1244
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: according to him, he didn't actually breach the capital. There

1245
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: were a lot of people who technically trespassed and breached

1246
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: the barricades who weren't charged. That's what That's what they

1247
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: ultimately say. So that's what we know. And this is

1248
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: a little code to the ray Up story. A lot

1249
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: of questions here, I saw a hell of a lot

1250
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: of questions. I think the Times did a terrible job.

1251
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: I think they should have just asked them straight up,

1252
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: were you ever fat? Did you ever work with Fats?

1253
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: You have your worked in any capacity? There's no yes

1254
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: or no answers in any of this. Look if the

1255
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: answer is no, great, get confirmation from the evat we

1256
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: can all move on. I mean, I think was a

1257
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: legitimate question from the get go. So Chrissel, what are

1258
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: you taking a look at? Well? Guys, as we discussed

1259
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: resistance here at John Bolden stunned everyone by just coming

1260
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: right out saying the whole quiet bart out loud, admitting

1261
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: in an interview, bragging even to Jake Tapper on CNN

1262
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: about his vast experience planning coups. With all due respect,

1263
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt a coup.

1264
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: I disagree with that as somebody who has helped plan

1265
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: coup d'eta, not here, but you know other places. It

1266
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: takes a lot of work, and that's not what he did. Wow.

1267
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: Bolton there, who served in not only Trump administration but

1268
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: also the supposedly respectable Bush administration, broke an unspoken rule

1269
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 1: of Washington decorum. This whole exchange got me thinking about

1270
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: which crimes and outrages are considered acceptable, even noble sometimes

1271
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: in Washington, and which are considered monstrous out of bounce.

1272
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: Bolton is a perfect case in point here. Now, we

1273
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: all know that our government relatively routinely, especially during the

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Speaker 1: Cold War, but still today filment supports and outright plots

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Speaker 1: and directs coups. We busy ourselves subverting democracy wherever we please,

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Speaker 1: to install regimes that our elites believe will better support

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Speaker 1: American interests read Capital's interest. Now, we're all supposed to

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Speaker 1: know this, but just not say anything about it. Notorious

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Speaker 1: neo con as we covered earlier, David From was deeply

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Speaker 1: agreed by Bolton's loose lips, tweeting former US national security

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Speaker 1: advisors should measure their words and avoid cynical jokes that

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Speaker 1: give aid and comfort to those who do not wish

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Speaker 1: this country. Well, you might note that the problem for

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Speaker 1: From was not the cous It was Bolton's breach of

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Speaker 1: Washington decorum in talking about the coups so casually and

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Speaker 1: so publicly. And it's not only overseas coups that can

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Speaker 1: be tolerated or even celebrated if handled with the proper

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Speaker 1: DC etiquette. Just think about two thousand. Instead of Ruffians

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Speaker 1: and Viking hats waving Confederate flags, you had Harvard lawyers

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Speaker 1: partnering with politicians clearly branded with the imprimatur of the establishment.

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Speaker 1: George W. Bush and his brother, who was governor of Florida,

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Speaker 1: and their team of highly paid, highly educated, respectable lawyers.

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Speaker 1: They executed a highbrow coup in coordination with the Conservative

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Speaker 1: partisans on the Supreme Court. So instead of Rudy Giuliani,

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Speaker 1: you had Ted Olson, former Reagan assistant Attorney General. And

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Speaker 1: not only did Washington accept this coup, the fact that

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Speaker 1: al Gore bowed out quickly with barely a protest is

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Speaker 1: lauded to this day as a triumph of democracy, when

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Speaker 1: in fact, of course, it was the polar opposite, an

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Speaker 1: outright shredding of the people's will, far more effective than

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Speaker 1: what happened in twenty twenty. But we were uniformly assured

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Speaker 1: that the institutions held in our democracy prevailed George W. Bush.

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Speaker 1: He maintained his decorum. Most important of all the DC rules,

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Speaker 1: Not once did we hear of semeared ketchup on the

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Speaker 1: White House walls during his tenure, so he was allowed

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Speaker 1: to serve two terms after stealing the election, leading Arnie

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Speaker 1: into the most grievous foreign policy mistakes of a generation,

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Speaker 1: teeing up the housing collapse and green lighting mass surveillance

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Speaker 1: against our own people and mass human rights abuses against others.

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Speaker 1: But we were allowed the illusion that our country was

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Speaker 1: more or less functioning. The lie that this coup was

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Speaker 1: actually the glory of democracy and action saved us from

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Speaker 1: having to actually face the rotten core of the American

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Speaker 1: project today? Was our ignorance actually bliss Now? I know,

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Speaker 1: the liberal instinct is to paint Trump as a singular

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Speaker 1: evil who came out of nowhere to defile the pure

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Speaker 1: and innocent Grand Old Party, But of course the truth

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Speaker 1: is he just painted all of the pre existing failures

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Speaker 1: of our nation, especially its political elite, in garish colors,

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Speaker 1: robbing us of our ability to maintain that blissful ignorance.

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Speaker 1: DC was never mad about the corruption, the assault on democracy,

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Speaker 1: the grifting, the lies, the contempt for governance. They were

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Speaker 1: always most upset that he did not follow the Washington

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Speaker 1: rules when engaging in all of those behaviors. I mean

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Speaker 1: Washington has long operated on an elaborate scheme of institutionalized corruption.

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Speaker 1: A favor there, a campaign contribution here, in board seat

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Speaker 1: for a kid or relative, or post public service gig.

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01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: Trump literally expected people to pony up cash at his

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Speaker 1: properties that would go directly in his pocket in order

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Speaker 1: to get in his good graces. It was all upfront.

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01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: All political fundraising, of course, is shady, manipulative, playing on emotions,

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Speaker 1: promising results they know they will never achieve. Trump literally

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01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: raised millions for a fund to fight election fraud that

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Speaker 1: did not even exist. Now, the neoliberal era presdential administrations

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Speaker 1: are incompetently managed by unserious people stacked with some of

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Speaker 1: the wrongest people on the entire planet. Neoliberals don't really

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Speaker 1: believe in government, so kind of makes sense, and the

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Speaker 1: collective brilliance of the experts they employ has led us

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Speaker 1: into disastrous wars, criminal trade deals, and financial collapses. But

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Speaker 1: these experts, they were pedigreed, and so we were assured

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Speaker 1: we were actually in good hands, and we were just

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Speaker 1: too dumb and uneducated to really understand what was going

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Speaker 1: on here. Trump, on the other hand, he went ahead

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Speaker 1: and put Rick Perry in a role as Edger secretary

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01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: that was previously held by a nuclear physicist, Rick Perry.

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Speaker 1: The third agency of government. I would do away with

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Speaker 1: the education, the commerce, the commerce, and let's see, I

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01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:17,919
Speaker 1: can't the third one. I can't. Sorry, oops, the agency

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Speaker 1: he forgot that was literally the very agency that he

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Speaker 1: was ultimately put in charge of. Now, the rejection of

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Speaker 1: this brazen bad behavior in preference for decorous bad behavior

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Speaker 1: is driving the Ron de Santis chatter right now. That's

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Speaker 1: why DeSantis's support is overwhelmingly college educated versus the more

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01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: downscale based overwhelmingly sticking with Trump. Desanta's has done enough

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Speaker 1: in the Trump era to hug the former president. Be

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01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: a little trumpy, but he's a version of trump Ism

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Speaker 1: that gup elites think that they could potentially live with.

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: Is being pitched as a sort of high brow Trump.

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Speaker 1: He won't call Stormy Daniel's horse face. He won't watch

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Speaker 1: with the light as rioters proclaim their desire to murder

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Speaker 1: his vice president. He won't put Rick Perry in charge

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Speaker 1: of the Energy Department. If Ron DeSantis does a coup,

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Speaker 1: it will be the George W. Bush style coup. Walk

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Speaker 1: that respectability on stop this deal. Refusing to say whether

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Speaker 1: or not. He thinks the twenty twenty election was stolen,

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Speaker 1: but not going all the way down the conspiracy rabbit

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Speaker 1: hole and another trumbling display of contempt for democracy also

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01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,879
Speaker 1: overrode the will of Florida residents who voted to reinstate

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Speaker 1: voting rights for felons now elite to Santa's backers. Are

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Speaker 1: not opposed to KU's per se. They just want it

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Speaker 1: to be done in the Washington way so they don't

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Speaker 1: have to answer so many uncomfortable questions about it or

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Speaker 1: be embarrassed by the unwashed masses who show up to

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Speaker 1: execute it. They aren't opposed to corruption per se. They

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Speaker 1: just want it execute it through the accepted channels of

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Speaker 1: kickbacks and campaign contributions. Maybe with DeSantis, they posit, we

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Speaker 1: could recloak the ugliness of Washington in enough Washington respectability

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Speaker 1: that we could go back to pretending that the country

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Speaker 1: is more or less functional, the decorum slathered like a

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Speaker 1: cheap coat of paint over underlying rot that continues to fester,

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Speaker 1: masking it enough for Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger and

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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney to feel comfortable once again. And who knows,

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Speaker 1: maybe that useful fiction would be enough to keep our

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Speaker 1: country from going off the deep end. After all, nation, nations,

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Speaker 1: and institutions are built more on faith, collective storytelling, and

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Speaker 1: shared delusions than they are really on anything tangible. Or

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Speaker 1: maybe now that Trump has taken our every failing and

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Speaker 1: put it on vibrant and repulsive display, maybe we can't

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Speaker 1: really unsee it. Trump was always hailed as a truth

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Speaker 1: teller by his fans, which was a little bit perplexing

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Speaker 1: given then he just makes up shit all the time

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Speaker 1: whenever he wants to. But when it came to Washington,

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Speaker 1: as John Bolton did in that extraordinary moment Jake Tapper,

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Speaker 1: Trump always said the quiet part out loud, and maybe

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Speaker 1: that is what his people meant. I mean, if your

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Speaker 1: only choices are John Bolton, who keeps quiet about his coups,

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Speaker 1: or one that probably broadcasts them to the world, which

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Speaker 1: is actually better? Does it really matter? In the end,

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01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: Trump took all of the accepted criminal, immoral, repulsive, authoritarian

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Speaker 1: behavior of Washington elites and he turned it up to eleven,

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Speaker 1: didn't he? And if the Republican base wanted the highbrow

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 1: version of Trump, well it could have picked Chris Christy

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01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: or Ted Cruz. Long ago, John Bolton really got me

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Speaker 1: thinking here, Sager about accepted cous and if you want

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01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium

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Speaker 1: subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. All right, Zager, what

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Speaker 1: are you looking at? Well, if there's a central theme

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Speaker 1: to how I see the world, it's basically the class

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Speaker 1: and the growing divide explains everything about the direction of

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Speaker 1: the United States since the nineteen nineties. The problem with class, though,

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Speaker 1: is this is really hard to pin down. What does

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Speaker 1: class mean? Is it income? Is an ancestral wealth? Is

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Speaker 1: it immigrant status? Is it racial? The answer is kind

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Speaker 1: of all of the above. But as I've reiterated here

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Speaker 1: many many times, increasingly the best determinant of class is

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Speaker 1: probably whether you have a four year college degree or not. Now,

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Speaker 1: before you explode, let me explain. I'm not saying people

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Speaker 1: with a four year college degree can't be poor, but

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Speaker 1: instead that the four year college degree is more of

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Speaker 1: a proxy for how you see the world. If you

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Speaker 1: went to college, you are way more likely to hold

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Speaker 1: liberal views on race, to not be religious, to be

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Speaker 1: sympathetic to the elite narrative in this country, And increasingly

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Speaker 1: that basically means you're a Democrat. That is why I

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Speaker 1: controversially will say that if you're a plumber making one

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Speaker 1: hundred k a year but you didn't go to college,

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Speaker 1: you're culturally working class, while if you're a Columbia film

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Speaker 1: student who is broke, you're still in the upper class.

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Speaker 1: This new orientation of the world was very hammered home

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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty election results. Contrary to the way

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Speaker 1: that the media speaks, Trump increased his vote share amongst

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Speaker 1: every single demographic group in America except for white men. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: white college educated men. White college educated men and women

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Speaker 1: were the major swing and enthusiastic voters behind Joe Biden's

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Speaker 1: victory and the Democratic victories in the twenty eighteen midterm elections.

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Speaker 1: And I'll state another controversial fact. Twenty twenty was the

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Speaker 1: most racially depolarized election of our lifetime, with record numbers

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Speaker 1: of Hispanic voters voting Republican and even black men crossing over.

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Speaker 1: How does one explain that if you only care about race,

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01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: you really can't without resorting to disgusting tropes about how

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Speaker 1: people of color want to present as white. It's easier

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Speaker 1: to understand to what extent race matters it's more about

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Speaker 1: whether you were an elite member of your racial group

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Speaker 1: and you went to college or not. The college degree

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01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 1: unites the worldview of half the country and non college

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Speaker 1: worldview the other. This was hammered home even further in

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Speaker 1: the New York Times poll that we spent some time

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Speaker 1: on our last show. It shows as starkly, for the

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Speaker 1: first time in a national survey, Democrats have a larger

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Speaker 1: share of support amongst white college graduates than amongst non

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Speaker 1: white voters. And guess what those white college graduates who

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Speaker 1: have all the energy of the party, Well, they care

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01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: far more likely about guns, abortion, and quote democracy. Those

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Speaker 1: are their top issues in twenty twenty two. In fact,

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Speaker 1: amongst the white college educated group, only seventeen percent of

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Speaker 1: those voters said that the economy or inflation ranked at

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Speaker 1: the top of their issues that they're going to vote

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Speaker 1: on in twenty twenty two. For non college educated voters,

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Speaker 1: the data flips. Republican leaning voters in twenty twenty care

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Speaker 1: about one thing, one thing only, the economy and inflation.

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Speaker 1: It's fueling the rise of non white voters into the

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Speaker 1: Republican category with Latinos, especially in fact, Latinos in the

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Speaker 1: New York, we're the most likely to say inflation and

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Speaker 1: economy were all that mattered to them. This lines up

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Speaker 1: squarely with white non college whites who are supporting Republicans

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Speaker 1: by a sixty point margin. Just to hammer my point

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Speaker 1: home again, if you take race out of the equation

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Speaker 1: and just look at the electorate by college or not,

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Speaker 1: fifty six percent of college educated voters outright support Democrats,

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Speaker 1: thirty three percent Republican, twelve percent undecided. For non college

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Speaker 1: thirty three percent Democrat, forty five Republican, twenty two undecided. Now,

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Speaker 1: once you understand the college divide everything all starts to

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01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: make a lot more sense. If you went to college,

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Speaker 1: you hear Latin X, and while it is cringe, you

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01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: have exposure to the critical theory that most colleges teach.

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Speaker 1: You kind of get it. If you didn't, you think,

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Speaker 1: what are these people smoking? Same with much of the

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Speaker 1: pregnant people discourse that the current left is idolizing. When

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Speaker 1: you went to college, the foundation of those ideas are

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: imprinted and you're familiar. If you didn't, you can barely

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Speaker 1: believe that these freaks are real people who actually speak

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Speaker 1: this way. No, I said, I know, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: here that will piss some people off. Some college educated

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01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: voters who are broke will be upset. The truth is,

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01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: though the way you see the world is a better

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: determinant today of class than pretty much anything else we have.

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Speaker 1: This holds two primary warnings for both parties. For the Democrats,

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: while the college educated rule of the world, they are

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Speaker 1: not the entire world. Only about forty percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: have a four year college degree, only fourteen percent of

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Speaker 1: Americans hold a graduate degree. The graduate degree people are

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: way more represented in higher institutions of culture and are

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01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: the ones driving behind the bus behind political correctness, gender

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01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: and race ideology, many of the other forces behind cultural

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Speaker 1: leftism today. That means the people at the highest income

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: and class spectrum are setting the agenda for a party

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Speaker 1: that still presumably wants to win and must win non

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Speaker 1: college educated voters to survive. For the Republicans, warning is

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Speaker 1: also obvious. Okay, you're probably going to win, so now

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Speaker 1: what Because if you have a bunch of people voting

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01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: for you on economic grounds, if inflation go sky high

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01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: and continue to trickle down economics and talking about the deficit,

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01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: those same voters could abandon you pretty easily. If things

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01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: go south. Either govern and satisfy their concerns, or get

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: ready to lose again. The obvious point is neither of

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01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: those things are going to happen. The freaks are in

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: the driver's seat of the Democrats and they will be

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Speaker 1: for years to come. The deficit hawks similarly in the

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Speaker 1: GOP power seat. They're there. We are doomed, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: to a permanent realignment, but an ongoing yo yo of

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Speaker 1: American politics. So buckle up. I hope it works out.

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01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: It's fascinating the Non Colleges college and if you want

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01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium

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Speaker 1: subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. So President Biden is

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: on his big trip to the Middle East, and to

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01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: break down all of the things that are happening there

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01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: and what we can expect and what it means for you,

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01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: we have doctor Treta Parsi, a great friend of the

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Speaker 1: show and of course executive vice president of the Quincy

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Speaker 1: Institute for Responsible Statecraft. Great to see you, sir, good caesar,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. So let's start

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01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: with the basics. Where's the present going and do you

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01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: think that this trip is a smart move on his

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01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: team's part anywhere. Anyway you look at this, I just

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01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: really have a hard time seeing why this trip makes

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01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: any sense, except for perhaps some domestic political reasons, but

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01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: even that I think is questionable. You take a look

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: at the geopolitical imperatives as that White House is put

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01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: forward pushing down all prices, etc. It's been quite clear

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01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: for some time the Saudis don't have the capacity to

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01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: really push down all prices that in a way that

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01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: would make a difference for the White House. In fact,

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: if the President was really driven by old concerns a

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01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: gas price is inflation, it would have been much better

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01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: for him to just go back into the von nucleidial.

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01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: That would have freed up much much more oil, including

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01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: in the short term, that would have been valuable for

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01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: the president. If this is about creating peace in the region,

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01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: then rest assure the Abrams Accord, which just completely leaps

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01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: under the royal the Palestinian issue. In fact, it is

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01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: honest about it. It says that it doesn't try to

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01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: resolve in Palestinian Israeli conflict, it tries to move beyond them.

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01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: That's the language that they use. The rest to show

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01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: that is not going to help restore peace there. On

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01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: the contrary, what it will do is to create a

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01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: military alliance in the region. They call it a defense

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,919
Speaker 1: alliance similar to NATO. Between these ray leaves, the Saudis,

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01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 1: Avarats against Ivan. Here's the thing, there's nothing new about this.

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01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: This is yet another iteration of the United States seeking

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Speaker 1: to organize the Middle East around the principle of containing

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01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: an isolating van That has been an utter failure, and

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01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 1: it's been extremely costly. It has been a driver of

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01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 1: conflict rather than a driver of peace. Don't take it

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01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: from me, Take it from Rogue Maallee, who on the

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01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: stage in Bahrain about a year ago said that the

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01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: isolation that Iran has been a driving force of instability

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: in the vision. Listen to what Tony Blair is. Tony

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01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: Blinker himself said in New York Times in twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: when Trump was moving down this direction. He said, an

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Speaker 1: anti Shia coalition masquerading as a defense alliance will only

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01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: bring about instability and more warfare in the region. Yet

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01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: this is the direction that the President has chosen to go.

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Speaker 1: It makes very little sense to me. Right, and doctor Parson,

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01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: what you're pointing to, is it's not even necessarily working,

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, actually ratcheting some tension up in the region.

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01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: I was already seeing President Biden said he was giving

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01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: a deadline on the Iran nuclear deal. He said he

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01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 1: would use force if necessary to prevent the development of

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01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: Iranian nuclear weapons. So it's not like the defensive alliance

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01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: is keeping the US out of this. I mean, what

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01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: does this mean for the prospect of the administration continues

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01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: to act as if a deal is still possible. What

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01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: do you think in terms of the timeline. Well, let

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01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: me first say the first thing you said, You're absolutely right.

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01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: The idea that this would be some sort of a

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01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: defense alliance that would help the United States leave the region,

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01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: which is what the American public wants, seems to me

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01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: extremely unlikely. There may be people, depending on and elsewhere,

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01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: who think that by bringing in Israel into this and

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01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: having these Raelis take over the American role of essentially

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01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: being a defense provider security provider for some of these

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01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: Jesus states, that that would reduce America's responsibilities and obligations

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01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: in the region. I find that, nevertheless, extremely naive to

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01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: think it will develop that way. We can be quite

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: clear that what the sounds, the Amorties, and these Radis

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01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: are motivated by is that this will actually further and

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01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: trap the United States in the Middle East. This is

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01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: further buying the United States to their security. In fact,

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Speaker 1: what themororities and the Saudis have asked for in return

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Speaker 1: for some of these things that the US wants from

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01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is that there is assigned defense pack between

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Speaker 1: the United States and these countries that will bring more

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01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: US troops to these countries At a time when American

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01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: people want to bring Americans home from the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: It would be disastrous for the President of the United

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Speaker 1: States to have to sign a deal that would actually

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01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: increase troop levels in the Middle East. Well yeah, and

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01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Ivan deal, the signaling from

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Speaker 1: the White House at this point seems to be that

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Speaker 1: they themselves have no interest in it any longer. And

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Speaker 1: even if there were to be a deal, I think

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01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: we can also then rest assured that that deal would

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01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: not last very long. Set aside all of these other

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01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: factors that Biden cannot give any assurances that the deal

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01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: would last longer than his presidency. Set aside the fact

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01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: that if the Republicans take the House and the Senate,

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01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: they will probably actually undo the president's ability to waive sanctions,

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01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: which is a necessary component of the deal. But if

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01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: we're at the same time suiticide those things. If we

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Speaker 1: think that we can create an arms control agreement with

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01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: the Iranians that essentially prevents and from ever being able

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01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: to go to a military nuclear weapons program, and on

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01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: the other hand, we are army and further increasing our

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01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: troop levels on the other side of the Persian Gulf,

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01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: and we think that that is actually going to be

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01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: a lasting solution, I think that is just absolute insanity.

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01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: If we want a nuclear over vand if we want

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01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: to make sure that they completely forsake any path to

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01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,560
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, then we actually need to increase security,

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01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 1: reduce tensions in the region rather than cementing those tensions,

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01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: exactly the way Tony Blinkan himself said this would do

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Speaker 1: in twenty seventy. Yeah. Well, what's remarkable to me, and

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01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: I am actually quite surprised by it, is how the

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01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: Biden administration seems to have ended up essentially embracing the

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01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: entire Trump foreign policy in the region. I mean, from

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01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: they do it sort of reluctantly like the current complain

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01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: about Israel's behavior, but they don't change any of the

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01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: actual policy responses. You know, they kind of pretend like

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01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: they want to get back the Iranian nuclear de but

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01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: it sure doesn't seem like it in terms of their actions.

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01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: And you know Biden who said he wanted to make

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01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia pariah nation when he was running for president,

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01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: now here he is going to Saudi Arabia hat in

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01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: hand asking for them to be our besties again. So

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01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: how did it end up that the Biden administration just

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01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,440
Speaker 1: basically followed the same footsteps as what the Trump administration

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01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: did before them. I fear unfortunate that you are quite correct,

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Speaker 1: And I think Peter Baynard put it best in his

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01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: New newsletter when he said that Trump would be quite

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01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: proud of Biden's Middle East foreign policy right now. It

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01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: is clearly a continuation of that policy rather than the

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01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: continuation with Obama tried to do, which was to open

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01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: up an opportunity for greater diplomacy. Let me say one

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01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: thing on this as well. The White House is behaving

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01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 1: as if they had no choice that realities on the

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01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: old market geopolitical imperatives Russia, Ukraine. All of these different

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01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: things necessitated this move, and there was no other opportunity

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01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 1: for the Biden administration to consider. That is in my view,

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01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: quite false because in the midst of all of this,

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01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: as a result of the US earlier signaling that it's

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01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: leaving the region, the withdrawal from Afghanistan, the rhetoric about

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01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: turning Saudi Araba into Pariah, guess what happened. The region

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01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: started to have its own diplomacy. The Iraqis have been

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01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: hosting numerous rounds of talks between the Saudis and the Iranians,

1655
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,560
Speaker 1: the Saudis and the Turks, the Amortis and the Qataris.

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01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: It's just been a flourishing of regional diplomacy. It's been

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01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 1: climaxing in what the Iraqis called the Baghda Dialogue, in

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01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: which they've been bringing all of these countries together and

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01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: try to resolve their tensions. And the difference between the

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01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: bag That Dialogue and the Abrams Accord is profound. The

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01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: Abrams Accord is organized against the country. The bag That

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01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: Dialogue is open for everyone and has not organized any

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01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: against any country. It is not trying to create alliances

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01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: and pacts and blocks in Middle East is actually trying

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01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: to resolve the tensions themselves. Moreover, it's a regional initiative.

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01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: It's driven by the countries themselves. This is not yet

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01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: another one of these Western ideas that is being imposed

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01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: on the region. It's coming from the inside. Biden could

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01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: have chosen to support that initiative, not necessarily take over

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01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: it because that would have been counterproductive, but put some

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01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: American weight behind it, endorse it, say this path towards

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01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: greater diplomacy is actually a good thing. Instead, he chose

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01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: to go down the path of forty years of failed

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01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: American policy in the Middle East, which will only bring

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01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: greater American military presence and involvement and entrapment in the

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01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: Middle East. Yeah. Well, I think you always put it

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01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: so well. We're so happy to get your analysis on

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01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: the day of before Biden's trip to Saudi Arabia, and

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Speaker 1: we deeply appreciate it as always. Thank you so much

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01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: for having you. Absolutely, thank you later. Okay, thank you

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01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: guys so much for watching. We're going to miss you

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Speaker 1: have some stuff as well. We're gonna miss you all

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Speaker 1: a lot, but initial a little of reset, and we'll

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Speaker 1: The road to Nowhere brainstorming. Yeah, do you guys like

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Speaker 1: the road to nowhere? Else? Also thinking we could do

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Speaker 1: midterm madness, It wasn't possibil You know what The fun

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01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: thing is, Well, play around whatever we want because that's

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01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: what that's what it means. Oh, look at it. Crew

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01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: is so good. They're on top of it, had it

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01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: ready to go. Midterm madness isn't bad. I kind of like, well,

1697
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: you know what, why don't you guys send an email,

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01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: Send James an email, tell him what your favorite is

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01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: and maybe he'll tell us whatever the best one. Sorry, James,

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01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: you're in prepare for inannation. James. Love you guys, Thank

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01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: you for everything you have done to support this show.

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Speaker 1: And we will see you guys in a little bit

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01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: more than a week. That's right. Enjoy see you soon.

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