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Speaker 1: the Denver Nuggets. They have won twenty twenty three NBA

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Speaker 1: Miami Heat. We're gonna discuss the series, Yo kitch in

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Speaker 1: the All Time Discussion and play any more with Washington

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Speaker 1: Post Michael Lee on today's episode.

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Speaker 2: I'm Miles Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: And this is Miles Jack.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 4: I like that one.

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Speaker 2: That was good.

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Speaker 1: This is harmonic. I would say that intro.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. That's how we goes three years and one.

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Speaker 1: Davis got blue grow here you go and be driving spinning.

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Speaker 2: Katie Curry a three.

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Speaker 3: Be nice with the tell shut time what you got.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Michael Lee from the Washington Post, thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Sports enterprise reporter based in Philly. You've been writing about

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Speaker 1: the league for.

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Speaker 2: Over twenty years. Now about your twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Since two thousand and two.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, call that over two decades. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: show Man. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me on. I'm glad you guys

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Speaker 3: that sent the invite.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, of course, of course, of course, season's

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Speaker 1: over though, it is it is we've arrived, that arrived

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, as any season ending is.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like the best team won.

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Speaker 6: Like the team that was absolutely the best team from

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: But I do remember like saying in February that Denver

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't just that, Like Jamal Murray was starting

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Speaker 4: it never should have gone, especially as it relates to Yolkic,

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Speaker 4: I always say that for championship team, you need spirit guys.

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Speaker 4: And like for him to be without the game for

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00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 4: two years, like that had to drive him insane, Like

446
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 4: the tears he shed right after they won the championship,

447
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,479
Speaker 4: Like I felt all of that because I know, like

448
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 4: that guy loves basketball like that is his life, Like

449
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 4: he is given his all to this to be where

450
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Speaker 4: he is.

451
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 3: And like obviously he was a lottery pick.

452
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,640
Speaker 4: The makeup of the Nuggets, you know, it was kind

453
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 4: of these overlooked guys, you know, second round picks, you know,

454
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 4: late late lottery picks, but he was a lottery pick.

455
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,639
Speaker 4: But he comes in with like that underdog mentality, Like

456
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 4: he's got an underdog mentality because he's coming from Canada

457
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 4: and he obviously felt he was overlooked coming out of

458
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Speaker 4: Canada because he felt like he was better than a

459
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Speaker 4: lot of the American players that he was that were

460
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Speaker 4: in his draft, that were in his class, you know,

461
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Speaker 4: college recruiting class. And so he went to Kentucky and everything,

462
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 4: and you know, I didn't see this type of player

463
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Speaker 4: at Kentucky, which we got to really get at a Calipari.

464
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 2: Because you never do.

465
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Speaker 6: I think this is a point that I've made a

466
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Speaker 6: couple of times. You really need to, like, we need

467
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Speaker 6: to be drafted. If you if your draft board has

468
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Speaker 6: a UK player on it, just move them up five

469
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 6: spots because they're they are better than you think. Let's

470
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Speaker 6: just they're they're always going to be better than you think.

471
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Speaker 4: Almost always, like people are like, wait, Anthony Davis actually

472
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 4: has an offensive game.

473
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Speaker 2: Wow, especially if it's a wing or a perimeter player.

474
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Speaker 6: Like, because I feel like they don't I don't know,

475
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 6: the Kentucky teams just don't like have like they don't

476
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 6: take advantage of these people who are just the most

477
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 6: incredible shot makers in the league now, Like ye, we

478
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 6: got Maxie, we got Murray, we got Booker, like all

479
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 6: of them, all of them underdrafted hero.

480
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot.

481
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Speaker 4: Of talent to come away with one national title, Like

482
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Speaker 4: and I know the young and you got to get

483
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Speaker 4: the chemistry right, but gosh, man, like you can't have

484
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Speaker 4: all of this talent and just coming with one, like

485
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 4: you got to have at least two.

486
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Speaker 6: College basketball is so weird, man, watching how good Chet

487
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 6: was when he got into that summer league after like

488
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Speaker 6: what he looked like in the n c DOUAA tournament

489
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Speaker 6: was so I was like, why how were they hiding this?

490
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 6: Like why were they hiding this?

491
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Speaker 4: So I get mad whenever people send me they like

492
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Speaker 4: the college game more than a pro game, Like what.

493
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Speaker 3: Are you really telling me? Like you're you're telling.

494
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Speaker 4: Me you don't like the best players performing at the

495
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Speaker 4: at the highest level like.

496
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Speaker 3: A high school game.

497
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Speaker 4: Let's go to a high school game and see you know,

498
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Speaker 4: them playing for the love of the game, because most

499
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Speaker 4: of these guys will never play again beyond this point.

500
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Speaker 3: Like are you telling me this is better than the NBA?

501
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Speaker 3: Because it's not like.

502
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Speaker 6: That's why I stopped playing after high school. It was

503
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Speaker 6: when I thought the game was at the most pure.

504
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Speaker 6: I could have played in college, probably bro, but I

505
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Speaker 6: was like, I don't like the it's just too much

506
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Speaker 6: about you know, the rankings and stuff like that.

507
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Speaker 2: It's it's not pure anymore. People don't know.

508
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my stats, my status of high school

509
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: were amazing. I mean I blame the fact that I

510
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: also graduated in two thousand and three with lebron so

511
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Speaker 1: a lot of my fatus I had them. I had

512
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Speaker 1: the most travels in southern California.

513
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Speaker 2: That's pretty good.

514
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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's worth shows your mobility. Yeah, I've

515
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: been benched more than any other player. But one thing,

516
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Speaker 1: one person I do want to just put my eye on,

517
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Speaker 1: just just a quick shout out, maybe of jealousy, is

518
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Speaker 1: Chris Brown. At twenty two years old.

519
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Speaker 2: This man pronoun brown brown? Yeah, you need a pronunciation

520
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: guy with that, We're just like, look.

521
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Speaker 1: At Kansas exactly. Uh he had three high school I

522
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Speaker 1: think was it three straight championships in high school and

523
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Speaker 1: then NCAA title with Kansas and now an NBA champion

524
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Speaker 1: as a rookie. I'm like, how did you just like

525
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: humble into such fantastic fortune. But like he's the fifth

526
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Speaker 1: player to win the NCAA and NBA title in back

527
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Speaker 1: to back seasons. That puts him in the class with

528
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Speaker 1: Bill Russell, Henry Bibby, Magic, Billy Thompson, and now.

529
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Speaker 3: Chris That's it's pretty impressive.

530
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Speaker 1: I'm always like blown away when you see like athletes

531
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 1: like that in any sport, where like they'll do the thing.

532
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: We're like, they went with this team and then they

533
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: got traded and then they won it the next year again,

534
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, good for you. What a I mean,

535
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: Like Chris Brown, I'm glad that you've had such a

536
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: just turbulent free rise to the top. You're like, yeah,

537
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: just I can't stop winning. I'm a serial winner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope, I hope you.

539
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Speaker 4: I hope you appreciates it because you know, this is

540
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 4: not a given that you're gonna win at this level.

541
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Speaker 3: Then the guys your name obviously want.

542
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Speaker 1: To love.

543
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Speaker 3: Russell, but I mean, it's just it's hard to win

544
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: in this league.

545
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Speaker 4: And that that's why I appreciate like what the Nuggets

546
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Speaker 4: are done in terms of having the patience to see

547
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 4: you know what Michael Malone was building and to see

548
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: you know, Yolkic regain his form and to have the

549
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 4: patience would your Maul Murray to help him come back

550
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 4: from his knee injury and just help them regain his

551
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: confidence in itself and become that player.

552
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Speaker 3: And you know, you don't see that happen in the NBA.

553
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: You know, everybody wants it right now and they're not

554
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Speaker 4: willing to see guys enter their prime together and see

555
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Speaker 4: what happens.

556
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Speaker 3: It's just like, well, he's not really looking the way

557
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: we thought, so we got to move on from him

558
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: and then or we don't want to pay him, or but.

559
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Speaker 6: This is another another homegrown title, right like the you

560
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Speaker 6: know it was them, then Golden State, then Milwaukee all

561
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Speaker 6: you know that they're not you know Milwaukee, it's not

562
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Speaker 6: like they drafted all their Big three, but like it's

563
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 6: their their best player was drafted by them and they

564
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Speaker 6: built out in around them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the one thing that stands out to

567
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 4: me is that three of the last five finals MVPs

568
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 4: were drafted outside of the lot of room.

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody knows anything.

570
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: That's everybody's everybody's tanking. Everybody is trying to intentionally lose.

571
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 4: For guys, they think you're going to be stars, and

572
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 4: then the thing can stand up to me and I hope,

573
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 4: I hope Victor Woman Yama can break it. You know,

574
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Speaker 4: do you guys know how many number one picks have

575
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 4: won a championship for the original organization since nineteen ninety No,

576
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: take a guess how many number one picks have won

577
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 4: a championship for the original organization?

578
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: Well, you got Tim Duncan. That's step is that is

579
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: that it?

580
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: Well there's Kyrie.

581
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: Kyrie, that's right.

582
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: But he only won because the previous number one.

583
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Speaker 2: Pick came back, That's right.

584
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: So Lebron came back, you know, after winning titles in

585
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 4: Miami to win in Cleveland.

586
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: So here Lebron three in Periator three.

587
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 4: So Lebron, he didn't stay there the whole way through

588
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 4: and win and then just stay he won and then

589
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 4: came back and won. Yeah, like so really it's it's

590
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 4: two or three however you want to do the numbers,

591
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 4: but it just it just shows that how how.

592
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: How much luck plays a role in this, you know, right?

593
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Speaker 4: And and you know I I have that conversation with

594
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: Tim Connolly about you know, jolkics and just you know,

595
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 4: him becoming this superstar player. And he would tell me

596
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: all the time just how lucky they were, Like they

597
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: were lucky for him to become this guy, right because

598
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 4: you know, they knew he had the ability oosity because

599
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 4: they drafted him. They had faith in him, but it

600
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: wasn't like he was their top choice. Then they drafted

601
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: three guys before they took him.

602
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he and he's the guy that now is

603
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: people saying it's the best player in basketball.

604
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Speaker 4: And it's the same thing with Giannis Janis went fifteen, Yeah,

605
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 4: and you know he's the best player in basketball.

606
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 6: And he had the hype at the time Jannis that

607
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 6: like this guy could be something special, but he's like

608
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 6: a huge project. It's going to take a lot of

609
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 6: time right where it was just like they realized he

610
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 6: was one of the best players in the league when

611
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 6: he like five games into him being one of the

612
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 6: best players in the league, they were like, oh, wait,

613
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 6: wait a second, this guy's yeah.

614
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it is about luck. But you know

615
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: who's gonna need luck. In our next segment, oh of

616
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, because when we come back, it's time

617
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Speaker 1: for the rapid fire round of questioning the most unique

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Speaker 1: segment in podcasting. We'll be back with that right after this.

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Speaker 1: And we're back Michael Lee. Get ready because you have

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Speaker 1: stumbled into the hot seat. It's time for the rapid

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Speaker 1: fire round of questioning. Now, this segment is the fastest

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Speaker 1: question and answer segment in all of podcasting history. Jack

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Speaker 1: or I, We're gonna chest pass you a question now.

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Speaker 1: It's like a hot potato. Don't think about the question,

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Speaker 1: just hit us right back with your answer. Don't expand

626
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Speaker 1: upon the answers. And if you keep this segment going

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Speaker 1: too long, we will cut you off. And if we

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Speaker 1: start talking too long, you have to cut us off

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Speaker 1: because we have have to maintain our status as the

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Speaker 1: fastest question answer.

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Speaker 4: Well, see this is why I was bad at baseball,

632
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: that I have bad reflexes.

633
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Well let's try.

634
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: Let's try.

635
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: And I'm like, should I hit this right too? Okay?

636
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you're you're swinging on it as the as

637
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Speaker 1: the catcher is throwing it back to the picture. You

638
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: can't swing on that, oh man. All right, So here

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Speaker 1: we go. We're getting into it rapid fire round and questioning.

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Speaker 2: Brian start the clock. Brian's crying just for the listener.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, that's fine, that's fine.

642
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: It's an intense segment, you know, but Brian knows I

643
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: love him like a son and I am his papa.

644
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: That's why I hard on him.

645
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: I learned that from a great man.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 1: You want to go first, I go first.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I'll go first.

649
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: How about Okay?

650
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: See how about that, Michael Lee?

651
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 6: Is there a single NBA player you would take right

652
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 6: now over the chance of taking WEMBM.

653
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: You are the Spurs.

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00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 6: You've gotten the call from everybody in the league saying

655
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Speaker 6: why ah.

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00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: I like that.

657
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: I like that he's locked in. He's locked in.

658
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: I'm excited about the possibilities, and I'd rather take a

659
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: chance on him than.

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Speaker 3: That somebody established. Okay, it doesn't work out, it's a

661
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Speaker 3: dance that that I that I failed that, But if

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Speaker 3: it does.

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Speaker 1: Then yeah, yeah to the top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

665
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Speaker 6: You also couldn't do it because, like everybody, your fan

666
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Speaker 6: base would be so mad at you.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's like the Sixers trading Brad Doherty when

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Speaker 4: they had Charles Barkley, Like they wonder why he's in

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Speaker 4: Phoenix because you you you should have taken the best

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Speaker 4: center and paired them with Barkley.

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Speaker 3: And try to see like the.

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Speaker 4: Cleven Tavaliers, like they weren't the greatest team, but they

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Speaker 4: were pretty good.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jordan's hitting those shots. You know they were

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Speaker 3: the underdog in those series. So yeah, but if.

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Speaker 4: You have if you have Brad Dougherty and Charles Barkley,

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Speaker 4: it's you. Look, you probably got a couple of rings,

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Speaker 4: probably standing away with Jordan or.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Michael, Now I got to ask you a

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Speaker 1: question because we got to keep this moving. But this

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Speaker 1: is one important because you've got your eye on the league.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to be talking about teams you want

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Speaker 1: to cover in the off season. You know, who's who's

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Speaker 1: making some moves, who's interesting? Who do we illuminate spurs Ovi? Now,

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Speaker 1: what's the team that you're also expecting big things from

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Speaker 1: someone we should also keep our eye on the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Don't sleep on them.

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Speaker 3: Portland do it? Trade Dame, do it?

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Speaker 6: Portland, do it trade, Dame, do it now.

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Speaker 4: Don't even waste anybody's song. Like he's given you twelve

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Speaker 4: years or eleven years. He's had enough time sitting on

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Speaker 4: that throne. And uh, you have a Western Conference final

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Speaker 4: strip for it, and it's great.

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Speaker 3: You shake his hand.

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Speaker 4: You admire him, call him the greatest plazer ever, but

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Speaker 4: give him a chance to win, and give you a

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Speaker 4: chance to move forward tos a franchise trying to win

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Speaker 4: with him. You're not going to compete with the JAP

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Speaker 4: teams in the West, no matter what. You try to

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Speaker 4: trade the number three pick for. Trade him, get some pieces,

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Speaker 4: go forward draft Scoop, and then try to try to

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Speaker 4: see where you can go the next ten years. I

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Speaker 4: feel like, you know, and I'm not somebody who's against

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Speaker 4: loyalty or somebody who thinks that you shouldn't stay committed

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Speaker 4: to it to guys, but you know, right now their

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Speaker 4: partnership is going nowhere, and I think it's best for

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Speaker 4: both of them to just move on and and and

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Speaker 4: and Dame will be happier because especially if he's traded

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Speaker 4: to a place like Miami, where he'll still be the

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Speaker 4: man and he'll still get you know, praise and as

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Speaker 4: that sort of the guy who could push them over

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Speaker 4: the hump.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I say, do it, and and don't worry about what

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Speaker 4: you're get in return, because that doesn't matter. You just

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Speaker 4: gotta you gotta go in a different direction.

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Speaker 3: You traded.

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Speaker 6: Is anyone is anyone talking about Phoenix as a potential destination.

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Speaker 6: Like they get Chris Paul to come in and be

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Speaker 6: the guy who is the tutor, the veteran tutor for scoop.

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Speaker 3: You said Chris Paul as a tutor, don't. I don't

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Speaker 3: see that happening.

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Speaker 4: Like Chris Paul is still a competitive guy who wants

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Speaker 4: to win championships. He ain't the big brother trying to teach,

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Speaker 4: you know, guys, you know, he's he's trying to win.

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Speaker 4: And and I don't I don't see him playing that role.

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Speaker 4: He's somebody that needs to go somewhere where he can

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Speaker 4: win too. And I don't know what Phoenix is gonna do. Man,

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Speaker 4: It's just they just got he got a messy roster.

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Speaker 4: Like the only thing I think they could do is

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Speaker 4: what they did, and that's hired you know Vogel as

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Speaker 4: as a coach. You know, I think that if Vogel

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Speaker 4: can get something out of eighten, that's that's that could

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Speaker 4: elevate their ceiling, you know. And you know, and people say,

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Speaker 4: you know, Vocal wasn't a good higher I'm like, well,

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Speaker 4: I happen to recall a guy named Roy.

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Speaker 3: Hibbert who became an all star plan for Frank Vogel.

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Speaker 4: Right, and we haven't seen him since, right, but he was,

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Speaker 4: he was, he was considered, you know, an elite big

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Speaker 4: man for a long time planning for Frank Vogel and

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Speaker 4: what were eighties best years with the Lakers?

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Speaker 3: Who was the coach?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm avo give a.

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Speaker 4: Chance to see what he can do with him if he,

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Speaker 4: you know, gets on Booker's nerves or these nerves because

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Speaker 4: he's not playing.

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Speaker 3: Hard and ship them.

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Speaker 4: Like, I think that you have a guy who can

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Speaker 4: get you eighteen and twelve and maybe he can give

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Speaker 4: you more, but he's he's also got to be somebody

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Speaker 4: who has the support of the coach.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Michael, what is your favorite NBA city to visit

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Speaker 6: and what's your must have meal in that town?

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Speaker 4: It changes so much, you know, I had like a

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Speaker 4: top five, but I'll just say.

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Speaker 2: Give us one we wouldn't expect underrated good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, New York is obviously the one I used.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, New York.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I actually get excited about Boston.

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Speaker 6: Favorite meal in Boston go to Legal Seafood and get

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Speaker 6: a lobster.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I like that.

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Speaker 4: I like that, But you know, you know, underrated city,

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Speaker 4: very underrated city restaurants in total cool like late night

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Speaker 4: kind of like jazzy bars kind stuff. San Antonio Man, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: san Antonio has a lot going on. Go to a

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Speaker 4: great steakhouse or go to a great barbecue restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Michael Lee, I got to ask you a serious question now, okay,

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Speaker 1: because we got to keep this. You know, we're sorry,

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Speaker 1: we're putting it all on the line right now. We're

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Speaker 1: putting it all on the line, Michael. But this is

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Speaker 1: this next question is a very hot button issue. Jalen

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Speaker 1: roses hair.

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Speaker 3: Well, oh that's a question for a statement. It's a

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Speaker 3: work of art.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just take it where you want to go. It's

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Speaker 1: like I'm throwing it up. I'm just seeing what you

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Speaker 1: do with it.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Like this barber needs to go into like he needs

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Speaker 4: to teach others.

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Speaker 3: I want him to work with me. I want him

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Speaker 3: to give me that line.

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Speaker 4: And get me all of that stuff that Jalen got

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Speaker 4: going on because Jaalen, I remember, you know, had the

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Speaker 4: shaved head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm looking at him and he's got like he's

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Speaker 4: got the hair like it's it's it's barber, barber is excellent,

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Speaker 4: like that.

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Speaker 3: There's nobody with a better hairline, I mean, or line

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Speaker 3: up than him like he's Yeah, it's a work of art.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the best, truly, all right.

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Speaker 6: And finally the question that we've all been waiting for,

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Speaker 6: Michael Lee, Jack or Miles.

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Speaker 3: Oh between you two? Mm hm oh yeah both y'all

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Speaker 3: both got love? Man, I ain't thinking.

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Speaker 2: Who has more? Who has more love? Yeah, if you had.

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Speaker 1: To, if you got the measuring tape game.

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Speaker 2: It's the trolley experiment he taking.

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Speaker 3: Man. I can't. I can't do that.

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Speaker 2: Man, all right.

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Speaker 4: I just met you guys, and I enjoyed the conversation.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to kissed off at the end.

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Speaker 2: We love that. We There you have it.

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Speaker 1: Michael Lee of the Washington Post is a humanist and

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Speaker 1: someone with a kind heart who will not choose between

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Speaker 1: all of his creatures. Michael Lee, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us on. Miles and Jack got mad boost ties.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you, support you, read

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Speaker 1: you do all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, you obviously can find me at the Washington Post.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna find me on Twitter at mister Michael Lee.

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Speaker 4: And uh and yeah, you know I don't cover to

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Speaker 4: the NBA full time anymore. I'm a sports inger, prize writer,

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Speaker 4: you know, and I deal with issues of race, sport,

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Speaker 4: and society, so I do a lot of different things

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Speaker 4: with every now and then they called me back in

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Speaker 4: to do some NBA stuff because I still have love

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Speaker 4: for the game and I feel like I still have

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Speaker 4: a little expertise in it. But yeah, it's it's tough.

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Speaker 4: It's tough when I'm not around and talking to exects as.

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Speaker 3: Much as I used to.

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Speaker 4: But I still feel like I know the game good

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Speaker 4: enough to make comments on Twitter that don't sound too stupid.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, well, you just boned up on your NBA bona

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Speaker 6: fides by talking to two of the great minds in

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Speaker 6: NBA media, Miles and Jack.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: You guys, maybe you can rub me.

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Speaker 1: Yes right, Well, make sure you give us a follow

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. You can find me at Miles of Gray.

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Speaker 2: Where do they.

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Speaker 6: Find me at Jack Underscore O'Brien, Yeah, and a hit.

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Speaker 1: Up hashtag Matt Boosties for show links and updates because

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Speaker 1: we'll be posting stuff there, asking questions and shout out

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Speaker 1: Gross negligent left this five star review that said, I've

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Speaker 6: When Jabari did write that and he only gave us

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Speaker 6: two stars, yeah, that's how you know.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't match though, But that is going to do

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Speaker 1: it for us. This week on Miles and Jack Got

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Speaker 1: Mad Boosties, Lee's check back in with us next week

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Speaker 1: as we take our journey into the in between times,

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Speaker 1: the silly season, as it were, the upcoming Everything's trade

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Speaker 1: machine that we.

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Speaker 3: Don't know how to work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll have to find out. Listen to that and

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Speaker 1: many other wild speculations only on Miles and Jack Got

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Speaker 1: Mad Boosts. All right, we'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,