1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Brainstuff, a production of iHeartRadio, Hey Brainstuff Lauren Vogelbaum. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: Here a breast cancer is predominantly thought of as a 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: women's disease, but the thing about humans is that we're 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: all mammals. Men have breast tissue too, and men can 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: also develop cancer in that tissue. For the article this 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: episode is based on how Stuff Work, spoke with doctor 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Nikita Shaw, a section leader for breast medical oncology at 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: Orlando Health uf Health Cancer Center. She explained that the 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: reaction to such a traditionally feminine diagnosis can be volatile 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: for guys. A quote. Some men embrace and run with it. 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Some men look at it as well, what's wrong with me? 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: In women and men, a breast cancer is more common 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: if you have a Braca one or brack A two 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: G mutation, but not every man or woman with these 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: mutations is destined to get breast cancer. Guys with these 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: mutations the risk of getting breast cancer over the course 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: of a lifetime is about six percent. Still, experts recommend 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: that men with a strong family history of breast cancer 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: or those who have been diagnosed already, get genetic testing 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: to determine whether a gene is at play. How stuff works. 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: Also spoke via email with Susan Brown, Senior Director of 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Education and Patient Support with Susan G. Comen As. She 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: said the lifetime risk of getting breast cancer is about 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: one in eight hundred and thirty three in US men, 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: compared to one in eight for US women. A male 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: breast cancers account for only one percent of all cases 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: diagnosed each year in the US, which equates to about 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: two thousand cases annually. But let's break down why this 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: is and how breast cancer works. Both men and women 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: have breast tissue. That breast tissue has fat, as well 31 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: as glands that produce milk and ducks that carry the 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: milk to the nipples. Most of the time, breast cancer 33 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: for both men and women begins in the milk ducts. 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: This is called ductal carcinoma. Breast cells normally grow and 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: divide in response to estrogen, which is why people who 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: are assigned male at birth generally don't develop much breast tissue. 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: They generally have less estrogen. The more these cells divide, 38 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: the more chances there are for mistakes to be made 39 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: when copying their DNA. These DNA mistakes may eventually lead 40 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: to cancer. If your hormones are unbalanced, that could increase 41 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: breast cancer risk, but the cause of most male breast 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: cancer is unknown. There are a few things that put 43 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: men at slightly higher risk of developing breast cancer, according 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: to Shah. For example, gynocomastia, which is the enlargement of 45 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: male breast tissue, can be caused by liver disease, hormonal imbalance, 46 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: or certain medications. Other risk factors include aging, family history 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: of breast cancer, obesity, liver disease, radiation exposure, heavy drinking, 48 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: and certain testicular conditions. Black men are at higher risk 49 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: than white men, but again the exact cause of cancer 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: developing is often unknown. While the risk of a breast 51 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis for a man is lower than for a woman, 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: it's often serious once it's caught. Shaw said men don't 53 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: have that much breast tissue and they're not looking for it, 54 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: so it's a higher stage when it's diagnosed because men 55 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: aren't going in for mammograms. Brown said the most common 56 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: sign of breast cancer in men is a painless lump 57 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: or thickening in the breast or chest area. However, any 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: change in the breast or nipple can be a warning 59 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: sign of breast cancer in men. Those changes could include dimpling, puckering, 60 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: or redness of the skin of the breast, itchy scaly sores, 61 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: or a rash on the nipple, including spots of blood, 62 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: pulling in or inversion of the nipple or other parts 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: of the breast and nipple discharge, or any other change 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: in the general size or shape of the breast. These 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: signs are practically identical to those experienced by women with 66 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: breast cancer. A treatment depends on the specific type and stage, 67 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: but in general, men who are a diagnosed be treated 68 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: similarly to a postmenopausal woman who's diagnosed. That treatment can 69 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: include chemotherapy, hormone therapy, radiation, and or surgery. When it 70 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: comes to surgery, men more often receive a complete misectomy 71 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: rather than a lumpectomy, which is a partial removal of 72 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: the breast, and that's because of the smaller size of 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: most male breasts to begin with. That being said, treatment 74 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: is handled on a case by case basis, with some 75 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: men requiring radiation therapy depending on the stage. Typically, hormone 76 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: therapy is also used, since most male breast cancer cases 77 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: are hormone receptor positive. This therapy helps prevent the estrogen 78 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: and progesterone hormones from attaching to the receptors in the cells, 79 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: which stops the growth of cancerous cells. Chemotherapy is also 80 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: dependent on stage and type. The diagnosis of breast cancer 81 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: is enough to upset in any patient, but for men, 82 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: it's often unexpected. Add the perception of the disease as feminine, though, 83 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: and a new layer of discomfort is common. Brown said, 84 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: men may be embarrassed if they have to get a 85 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: diagnostic mammogram or see a breast surgeon or a breast 86 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: cancer oncologist where they're surrounded by pink and mistaken as 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: a caregiver and not the patient. I would personally add 88 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: that the branding of cancer research and treatment in pink 89 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: can be off putting to anyone. But more to our 90 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: point today, it's up to caregivers and the public to 91 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: shift the dialogue to be more inclusive. Brown said, we 92 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: can do a better job when talking about breast cancer, 93 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: deliberately adding men to the story, acknowledging it can occur, 94 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: normalizing the occurrence of breast cancer and men to remove 95 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: the stigma, and as more men share their breast cancer diagnosis, publicly, 96 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: the stigma should decrease. Brown also suggests support groups for 97 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: men dealing with such a diagnosis, as she said, support 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: groups for breast cancer may only have female members, so 99 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: joining a support group for men with any type of 100 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: cancer may be more helpful. If you or someone you 101 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: love is looking for that support, you can check with 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: your medical provider or a cancer advocacy organization like Comen 103 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: four resources in your area or online. Today's episode is 104 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: based on the article male breast cancer is Rare but 105 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: Real on HowStuffWorks dot Com, written by Aleah Hoyt. Brain 106 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: Stuff is production of iHeartRadio in partnership with how Stuffworks 107 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: dot Com and is produced by Tyler Klang. For four 108 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 1: more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 109 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.