Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky. Hey, Joky, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I said, Nandas.
Speaker 2: Please Hey boo, it's me Ras and Welcome to Ghosted
Speaker 2: by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people
Speaker 2: that I like about things that make me go.
Speaker 1: Peepy in my panties. Oh my god, I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk to can Boggle from the TV show Living for
Speaker 1: the Dead, which is now streaming, Oh my god, starting
Speaker 1: the eighteenth. Yeah, yeah, this episode is out after the
Speaker 1: show has come out. So did you like it? I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen all of the episodes, and the first one
Speaker 1: that you see is the first one on our road trip.
Speaker 1: And I think that as the season goes on, you'll
Speaker 1: see that we really we all really get closer as
Speaker 1: friends and as teammates. And I think that that show
Speaker 1: just gets better and better and better each episode. So
Speaker 1: stick around, keep watching it. If you haven't finished it yet,
Speaker 1: tell your friends about it. We want shows like this
Speaker 1: to be made and to be successful. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just so cool that we've got this all queer cast
Speaker 1: and having a great time. I mean, I get to
Speaker 1: be silly there's some moments on that show. I ate
Speaker 1: a lot of donuts. I ate a lot of donuts
Speaker 1: out of stress and fear while doing this show, And
Speaker 1: I kind of was thinking about talking about fear for
Speaker 1: just a moment here at the top of the show,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm all about facing fears, and I know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm definitely the most scaredy cat of everyone
Speaker 1: in this group on the show. But most of that
Speaker 1: for me is like, I don't know if you told
Speaker 1: me a really scary story about anything, if you were like, oh,
Speaker 1: this car that you're about to drive, sometimes the breaks
Speaker 1: don't work, I'm gonna be terrified. And that's how I
Speaker 1: felt a lot of the time when I went to
Speaker 1: these locations. It's like people telling me, just so you know,
Speaker 1: this place is incredibly haunted and there's ghosts that scratch
Speaker 1: you and slap you, and of course I'm gonna be terrified. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of all this stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's scary. So this experience for me was just
Speaker 1: so much facing fear. And you know, I'm a big
Speaker 1: believer in like life starts when you leave your comfort zone,
Speaker 1: and I like to push myself to face fears. Actually,
Speaker 1: right before I left for the trip to do all
Speaker 1: these locations, I went on my first roller coaster at
Speaker 1: Disney's California Adventure, the one that goes upside down. What
Speaker 1: is it called the California Screaming Calvoria Screaming, and honey,
Speaker 1: I was California Screaming, But I did, and I had
Speaker 1: never been on something like that before, if you can
Speaker 1: believe it. So, I mean, like that, like stand up comedy,
Speaker 1: public speaking, like that kind of stuff scares the shit
Speaker 1: out of me. One of my biggest fears is sleeping
Speaker 1: in haunted locations. I've talked over the years. You've heard
Speaker 1: me talk about leaving in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: at some of these haunted places I've stayed. And with this,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't leave. I've I'm stuck here. And
Speaker 1: trust me, there was a few times when I was
Speaker 1: looking up on my phone other places to stay in
Speaker 1: the area, because I'm like, what if I could sneak out,
Speaker 1: maybe I could be back by the morning and they
Speaker 1: wouldn't know that you know that I've left.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: Actually wasn't any place to stay when we were in Bisbee, Arizona.
Speaker 1: That's the place when I was like literally looking, I
Speaker 1: found an Airbnb and then all the reviews were talking
Speaker 1: about how the place was haunted. I'm like, are you
Speaker 1: fucking kidding me? No, Anyway, I had to stay all
Speaker 1: night in these haunted places, never once slept. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: would sleep in the morning or during the daytime if
Speaker 1: I had time to. But when you watch those episodes,
Speaker 1: I had not slept sometimes for three days in a row.
Speaker 1: Not every episode, but like the Clown Motel, the one
Speaker 1: in Bisbee, Arizona, the Lamp Mansion, the Scottsdale one, which
Speaker 1: was the mansion that we stayed out that is haunted,
Speaker 1: that one I did sleep. I was scared at first,
Speaker 1: but then eventually I slept because I think the bed
Speaker 1: was just so comfortable, and I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: pretty convinced early on that I had figured out what
Speaker 1: was going on with the I don't want to ruin it,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I figured it out. I figured
Speaker 1: out that these ghosts were not going to be messing
Speaker 1: with me. But anyway, I also one of my biggest fears,
Speaker 1: as crazy as it might be to believe, I would
Speaker 1: say my number one fear, which is very strange, but
Speaker 1: it's a unique fear that I've had for years now
Speaker 1: performing in Los Angeles and being around so many people
Speaker 1: that leave to go be on TV or whatever. I've
Speaker 1: just I knew that eventually I would be doing what
Speaker 1: I love to do, make people laugh, perform all of
Speaker 1: it on TV or in some kind of bigger on
Speaker 1: some kind of bigger platform, to the point where it's
Speaker 1: like kind of out of my control. Like when I
Speaker 1: perform like locally and smaller venues, I feel like I
Speaker 1: can kind of control the situation a bit more. But
Speaker 1: I knew that, like one day, there's going to come
Speaker 1: a day where it's out of my hands, and that
Speaker 1: means that the haters are going to be out there.
Speaker 1: That means that my privacy is gonna go away. Like
Speaker 1: all of that stuff just has always scared the shit
Speaker 1: out of me, and I'm facing my fear, you know.
Speaker 1: When this opportunity for the show came up, I definitely
Speaker 1: was deep in therapy and preparing for something like that
Speaker 1: to happen at some point, And when I caught the
Speaker 1: call to do the show, I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: Like this is what I love. I love to make
Speaker 1: people laugh. I love the paranormal. I love putting queerness
Speaker 1: into the paranormal. I have to do this even though
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to see it, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's scary to me. It's really
Speaker 1: scary to me because I've spent so many years just
Speaker 1: just kind of a local comedian, drag queen whatever. And
Speaker 1: also like getting on this podcast network and I've gotten
Speaker 1: so many more listeners lately. That's really helped me to
Speaker 1: prepare for this, because the reception I've gotten from this
Speaker 1: podcast being on exactly right, and just all these new
Speaker 1: listeners you guys have like truly given me so much
Speaker 1: more confidence in that fear and made me feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, there's people that like this show. They like
Speaker 1: what I do. And I'm so grateful that there are
Speaker 1: really cool people that that did what I do. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just I'm so grateful right now, I
Speaker 1: really am. But I'm facing fears. Speaking of therapy, one
Speaker 1: more thing, I'll say me and my very unique problems,
Speaker 1: I dedicated at least a full month, I would say, no,
Speaker 1: I would say two months. I dedicated in therapy to
Speaker 1: sleeping and haunted hotels. I do therapy over the phone
Speaker 1: video and I have a wonderful therapist. You know who
Speaker 1: you are. She sometimes listens to this show. I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if she does, but
Speaker 1: if you do, you know who you are. I was
Speaker 1: telling her, like, I have to sleep in all these
Speaker 1: haunted locations, and I don't like that. I have just
Speaker 1: like weird sleep things. I need to not be disturbed
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, and sleep is my
Speaker 1: vulnerable time where I just can turn off and I
Speaker 1: don't have to be looking around every corner, you know,
Speaker 1: so that I don't get attacked or I have to
Speaker 1: deal with some bullshit, Like I just want to sleep
Speaker 1: and be peaceful. And I told her about how I'm
Speaker 1: going to be sleeping all these haunted locations. She goes, well,
Speaker 1: and she's done some ghost hunting of her own, and
Speaker 1: she goes, well, just listen, just be grateful that you
Speaker 1: don't have to sleep in the lamp Mansion. And I
Speaker 1: was like, bitch, our final episode is at the Lamp Mansion,
Speaker 1: and yes, I do have to sleep there. So I
Speaker 1: spent the entire time I was doing this show, once
Speaker 1: a week on doing sessions with my therapist and we
Speaker 1: were just like working so hard on sleeping and haunted
Speaker 1: places thing. And yeah, it turns out I had to
Speaker 1: go to the let mansion and she really helped me
Speaker 1: through it. So I'm a big, big fan of therapy.
Speaker 1: Take care of the inside of you know, your brain,
Speaker 1: as much as you can. It's so important. I'm just
Speaker 1: feeling a lot of gratitude right now, guys. I'm sorry. Okay,
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to someone that I'm not afraid of.
Speaker 1: The one and only can Boggle And with the show,
Speaker 1: I am now joined by my uncle, my dear uncle
Speaker 1: Ken Boggle. Hello, you really are an uncle.
Speaker 3: I am Uncle Ken. I've realized that I was never
Speaker 3: going to have children, so I was never going to
Speaker 3: be a daddy traditionally, right, So I'm just I have
Speaker 3: adopted a ton of nieces and nephews and they all
Speaker 3: call me Uncle Ken because I'm always tying up shoelaces
Speaker 3: or holding doors open, or wapping somebody's snotty nose, helping
Speaker 3: you down a stoop. You know, I'm just that's what
Speaker 3: I do. I should have been on full House, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, before they went nuts, I should have been
Speaker 3: on Full House. I could have been an uncle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. On the TV show Living for the Dad,
Speaker 1: which starts streaming on Hulu the eighteenth of October. You're
Speaker 1: the uncle of the group for sure.
Speaker 3: That makes me so incredibly happy. You have no idea
Speaker 3: how much that means to me, because, like I've realized
Speaker 3: last night that I have actually been sad after we
Speaker 3: wrapped because I've not had enough of you all in
Speaker 3: my life. Such a bummer.
Speaker 1: Oh, because you are in Canentucky, Kentucky. Yeah, like Colonel Sanders.
Speaker 3: That famous recipes.
Speaker 1: Is original or extra crispy with you?
Speaker 3: Now, look I am. I am extra crispy. I've never
Speaker 3: undercook anything. It is extra crispy over my place.
Speaker 1: I want to say before we get too far into this,
Speaker 1: and please don't tell the others I said this. Okay,
Speaker 1: you are my favorite person in this cast.
Speaker 3: Raul's It's complete and total BS now I know it.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. How dare you?
Speaker 3: I mean I think you would. I think you would
Speaker 3: be there for all of us individual and you love
Speaker 3: us all totally. I totally believe that. But I think
Speaker 3: your favorite and I'm gonna I'm gonna put your on blast.
Speaker 3: I think your favorites Juju. I see the way you
Speaker 3: look at Juju.
Speaker 1: Sis I love Juju. I mean, Juju is like just
Speaker 1: a work of art. Yeah, she's just so gorgeous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she's also somebody that is so powerful, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm never worried about her, Like I'm just not. She's
Speaker 1: just so powerful. And I mean I really think that
Speaker 1: she she brings me so much comfort when we went
Speaker 1: to like all those spooky ass places where I'm like,
Speaker 1: Juju will save us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I counted twice. Actually three, there's three
Speaker 3: times that you call out specifically to Juju when you
Speaker 3: get spooked and scared.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Doug, yeah, we got a demon.
Speaker 3: We got a demon. Come on downhill.
Speaker 1: You know, let's talk about demons for a second, because
Speaker 1: you talk about that on the show, and I do
Speaker 1: talk about it, but I kind of I don't know
Speaker 1: if it comes off this way when you watch it.
Speaker 1: But I think people that listened to this podcast would
Speaker 1: know that I'm very skeptical of all things paranormal, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know where I'm at on demons. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't know if I believe that that's
Speaker 1: a real thing. If it's in the biblical sense or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I do think there's dark energies in
Speaker 1: this world, but it seems like you're really like a
Speaker 1: believer in this idea of demons, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So for me, I grew up Christian, but I
Speaker 3: converted to Buddhist twelve years twelve years ago last month,
Speaker 3: and in that I've discovered that demon is a term
Speaker 3: that's used in both my interest in the other theological
Speaker 3: paths or spiritual paths in which they're mentioned kicked in.
Speaker 3: So I started kind of you know how I am,
Speaker 3: I get obsessed with and start red stringing, and yeah,
Speaker 3: they'reing like all all kinds of different spiritual or religious paths.
Speaker 3: I myself think that not only are there demons and
Speaker 3: devils in our spiritual lives, but I think that they're
Speaker 3: also fully embodied in the physical form, in flesh and blood.
Speaker 3: I think anytime someone steals your light, anytimes someone steals
Speaker 3: your joy or your life power, you know, your light,
Speaker 3: I think it's easy to say that that's a demon
Speaker 3: that you have to struggle with. I also think that
Speaker 3: it's one of those things from one of your earlier
Speaker 3: podcasts that you had mentioned about addiction and how people
Speaker 3: say I have to wrestle with my demons. I do
Speaker 3: think that addiction ties into that. I have seen people
Speaker 3: be totally possessed and certain rituals done in different many
Speaker 3: different religions, and they'd be completely different people. Whether it's
Speaker 3: psychosomatic or not doesn't matter to that individual who just
Speaker 3: got their life back.
Speaker 1: You know, Wait, when you say you've seen people be possessed, like,
Speaker 1: are you talking like literally you've seen them? Like there's
Speaker 1: a demon inside of a human.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I don't often tell the story, but even
Speaker 3: I myself have a story of possession.
Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me, okay.
Speaker 3: So it goes like this. When I was fifteen, I
Speaker 3: met this twenty one year old guy. My parents fodout
Speaker 3: I was gay and they kicked me out right. So
Speaker 3: I was homeless at fifteen. So I shack up with
Speaker 3: this guy. And he was big, beautiful blue eyes, and
Speaker 3: we were all great and groovy. And he used to
Speaker 3: take me around when somebody would say, hey, I want
Speaker 3: to do a reading with Ken, or can Ken come
Speaker 3: over and like check out my new place or these
Speaker 3: other things, so he would take me. He took me
Speaker 3: to this house. It was like a Sunday evening and
Speaker 3: I did a walk through, and as I walked through,
Speaker 3: I picked up that there was an inhuman entity that
Speaker 3: was very, very heavy and dark. No big deal. Came
Speaker 3: back home. We laid it down in bed later that
Speaker 3: evening and I started to become restless and I felt
Speaker 3: like there was something else in the room. And I
Speaker 3: opened my eyes and there was a dark figure that
Speaker 3: was suspended from the ceiling, kind of haunched, like attached
Speaker 3: to the ceiling, kind of like a spider man sort
Speaker 3: of move.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, but its.
Speaker 3: Head was turned toward me.
Speaker 1: Stop again, it's scary.
Speaker 3: His head was turned toward me, I say, he because
Speaker 3: it felt definitely masculine. I've never felt a feminine energy
Speaker 3: that evil before. And when it noticed that I noticed it,
Speaker 3: it slid down the wall, up the floor and came
Speaker 3: to the foot of the bed and just hovered. I
Speaker 3: started to panic. And then that's when it went under
Speaker 3: the sheets, which I could see the energy coming up
Speaker 3: through sheets, and it went up through my legs, up
Speaker 3: through my spine. I felt as if somebody had grabbed
Speaker 3: a hold of my spine. This is when stop. This
Speaker 3: is when I start to lose touch and it's explained
Speaker 3: to me that like a rollercoaster that goes clink by clink,
Speaker 3: as it kind of just kind of rolls up, that
Speaker 3: my spine did the same thing. No, my partner, who
Speaker 3: was in bed with me, said that my he was like,
Speaker 3: it was like a whip, that my back just went
Speaker 3: vertebrate vertebrate up until I was straight sitting in bed,
Speaker 3: and then he said, I twisted. You were straight for
Speaker 3: a minute. Oh yeah, you knew that. Back when Clinton
Speaker 3: was in office, I was doing women all the time.
Speaker 3: So he says at this point that I turned at
Speaker 3: my hips and that I went like a great deep sigh,
Speaker 3: and he said that it was so ice cold that
Speaker 3: it sent chills through him. I whipped around, and when
Speaker 3: I whipped around, I came to myself, and that's when
Speaker 3: I felt what felt like hands wrapped around my spine
Speaker 3: and they started whipping me. My body went forward and
Speaker 3: threw back like exactly what you've seen on the Exorcist.
Speaker 3: Stop and that I went straight back up, twisted again
Speaker 3: and giggled, and then I came back to myself in tears,
Speaker 3: in absolute tears. He had a grandmother who was very
Speaker 3: active in the local church she's no longer with us,
Speaker 3: bless her, May she rest in peace. But she came
Speaker 3: over with some folks and they anointed me with holy
Speaker 3: oil and anointed the house. And that's just one of
Speaker 3: the things that I've seen like that.
Speaker 1: Wait, so the holy oil, it took care of it
Speaker 1: and never came back again, and never.
Speaker 3: No it rears. It's like we had on occasion. I
Speaker 3: feel like, once it got to know me, it hovers.
Speaker 3: And that's the one line that you've not seen me draw.
Speaker 3: And it almost happened in the series Living for the Dead.
Speaker 3: It almost happened at a particular location, but Juju kind
Speaker 3: of prayed over me and it pushed it further back.
Speaker 3: I didn't say anything to her about it. I didn't
Speaker 3: say anything to anybody, but I was very close to
Speaker 3: that same place, that horrifically scary, dark and cold place
Speaker 3: that I was in one of the episodes.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you have a demon that's just hanging out
Speaker 1: looking at you at all times.
Speaker 3: I don't think that he's around all the time. I
Speaker 3: think that he comes around occasionally. I've since then, meant
Speaker 3: two other non human entities that I've expelled from people's houses.
Speaker 3: The others I've seen in church.
Speaker 1: You've seen in church? Yeah, what are they doing in there?
Speaker 1: I feel like that's they're not supposed to be in there.
Speaker 3: There was a man who walked naked into a church
Speaker 3: in southeastern Kentucky, completely off his gourd. They had to
Speaker 3: deliver him from this evil attachment, like on the spot
Speaker 3: that Sunday in front of everybody, you know. And I
Speaker 3: was there when an elderly woman had to be pinned
Speaker 3: down by the I think it was for guys in
Speaker 3: a couple of ladies.
Speaker 1: She was like, rage, Oh my god, super granny.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It wasn't even like a super exorcism, like a
Speaker 3: legit exorcism. They call it a deliverance. It was a deliverance.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Ken, I feel like you have a
Speaker 1: thousand stories because how long have you been in this
Speaker 1: world in the other world?
Speaker 3: Thirty one years?
Speaker 1: Thirty one years? Yeah, okay, how did it start?
Speaker 3: So I'd always been different. I could always tell you
Speaker 3: who was on the telephone before they would call, or
Speaker 3: when the phone would ring. And this is before colorad
Speaker 3: D when we had one phone that was attached to
Speaker 3: the kitchen wall with a long court ha you know,
Speaker 3: back then, like I would just know things, and I
Speaker 3: would be able to interpret dreams. I couldn't see auras
Speaker 3: and things anyway. It really started in earnest like I
Speaker 3: was eight and we had moved into this house. The
Speaker 3: house was a split level and in the backyard some
Speaker 3: distance away was one of the oldest cemeteries that I've
Speaker 3: ever seen in my life, to the point where some
Speaker 3: of the tombstones were basically just whittled down rocks. When
Speaker 3: I lived there, I lived on the same level as
Speaker 3: the cemetery, so we were only yards apart. At night.
Speaker 3: Every night when we moved in there, I would hear
Speaker 3: the sound of someone walking but their leg something was
Speaker 3: wrong with one of their legs, and I would hear step,
Speaker 3: step step. It would come to the edge of my room,
Speaker 3: and I would immediately become panicked. And my bed was
Speaker 3: set up so that I just looked to the right
Speaker 3: and there was the doorframe, and I looked to the right,
Speaker 3: and every time I heard that sound, and it got
Speaker 3: and it got close. I'm getting emotional, but because it
Speaker 3: was so horrific roth, I would look to the right
Speaker 3: and this old man would turn his head and look
Speaker 3: into the room at me, and I knew that he
Speaker 3: saw me, and he knew I saw him, And then
Speaker 3: he would walk in, and then three three other women
Speaker 3: would walk behind him, and they all gathered around my bed,
Speaker 3: and they all came within inches of my face, and
Speaker 3: they weren't visibly screaming, but there was anger and there
Speaker 3: was hatred, like you could you know, when somebody is
Speaker 3: in your like in your face and they're really super
Speaker 3: closed and you you ei they're angry. They don't have
Speaker 3: to say a word, you just feel it, right. And
Speaker 3: I couldn't breathe and I couldn't breathe, and I'd scream
Speaker 3: and crying. One day, I was chased up the staircase
Speaker 3: by this male spirit who was just on me, all
Speaker 3: over me. It was horrific. And I finally went to
Speaker 3: my granny's house for the weekend, and she said, ken, Junior,
Speaker 3: do you look like shit? This is Granny's way of saying,
Speaker 3: what's wrong? Annie? I love you, you know. She smoked
Speaker 3: her owl cigarettes and red dirty books, you know, like
Speaker 3: Granny was just like, you look like shit, very clorous,
Speaker 3: Leechmann kind of. So I just broke down and cried
Speaker 3: and told her, and she said, honey, don't tell anybody
Speaker 3: else in the family, because you know how your daddy is.
Speaker 3: He was a religious zealot. And she said, if he
Speaker 3: finds out, you know what he'll do. And I said,
Speaker 3: I know, And she said, so Granny will help you
Speaker 3: through it, and I'll teach you how to do what
Speaker 3: it is I do, and I'll keep you safe and
Speaker 3: you'll you'll start sleeping again. So that started a series
Speaker 3: of weekend visits with Granny that I learned how to
Speaker 3: discern properly between good and evil. I learned how to
Speaker 3: engage safely with spirit. I learned how to read poems.
Speaker 3: I learned how to read nature. I learned what herbs
Speaker 3: do what. Since then that information is left. But she
Speaker 3: used to take me on nature walks and she would
Speaker 3: explain spirit to me and explain nature to me, and
Speaker 3: how they're inseparable and how we are inseparable, and.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean, was she a witch or did
Speaker 1: she not use that term or what would you say?
Speaker 3: She would have never used that term to Granny. It
Speaker 3: was just southern. This is what southern women do. You know,
Speaker 3: you're a granny who lives up in the mountains and
Speaker 3: you make tintures when somebody gets bit by a snake.
Speaker 3: You make tintres when somebody gets stung behind me. It
Speaker 3: was she was just an Appalachian grainy witch, That's what
Speaker 3: she was. But she would have never said the word witch,
Speaker 3: not ever. No, yeah, yeah, but anyway, that was thirty
Speaker 3: one years ago.
Speaker 1: This is high praise coming from me, Okay, because of
Speaker 1: the people I know. You're the most dramatic human being.
Speaker 3: You are cute me.
Speaker 1: The other day you go ross. You are funnier than Lucille.
Speaker 3: You are funnier than Lucille Ball.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can't say that, the hell I can.
Speaker 3: I just did.
Speaker 1: Well. I will say you are such a generous laugher.
Speaker 1: I'm around comedians a lot, and you know it's hard
Speaker 1: to get a laugh out of a comedian, and you
Speaker 1: are such a generous laugher that you certainly make me
Speaker 1: feel funny. And I appreciate that always.
Speaker 3: I'll do that always, as long as you'll have me.
Speaker 1: And this is why I say you're my favorite in
Speaker 1: the show. Don't tell the.
Speaker 3: Album well secrets safe with me, babe.
Speaker 1: So you also are a tarot reader and you gave
Speaker 1: me no listen. You don't know how many funky girls
Speaker 1: with a Deck of Cards I have met in my life.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of readings in this town of
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and I've had some very good ones. My
Speaker 1: friend Lindsey Cooperman is amazing. I'll just say right now.
Speaker 1: Upcoming guest Rachel True, one of the stars of the
Speaker 1: movie The Craft. She's an amazing tarot reader, and she
Speaker 1: got me good. Ken, you got me good. I think
Speaker 1: it was the first night of our experience. We were
Speaker 1: in the Clown Motel and we had a slumber party.
Speaker 1: You and I yeah, platonic yeo, and you were generous
Speaker 1: enough to pull out the deck of Cards and gave
Speaker 1: me a reading. Charged me a couple hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: Oh, Roz, I did not, Roz, Hernandez don't.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I'm kidding. It was on the House, the
Speaker 1: Haunted House, and it was good. You did a spread
Speaker 1: that you called the Mirror. Yeah, I remember that. Let's
Speaker 1: just talk about Taro for a second, because I think
Speaker 1: every single episode you give a tarot reading to somebody
Speaker 1: that is affected by these hauntings, and you definitely get
Speaker 1: people good. When did the tarot start?
Speaker 3: So Taro started thirty one years ago, So the same.
Speaker 1: Time did your granny teach you how to do it?
Speaker 3: My aunt Caroline came over with the deck of poker cards,
Speaker 3: like you know, the bicycle deck, okay, And I came
Speaker 3: went back to Granny's and said, oh look what I
Speaker 3: can do. You know, I can tell your fortune with
Speaker 3: the poker cards. And she said, that's cute. Do what
Speaker 3: big men do and do Tarot is what she called it,
Speaker 3: tarot tar it. Yeah, my Welsh friends call it tarot
Speaker 3: as well as a matter of fact. But anyway, she said,
Speaker 3: here's twenty bucks. We'll go down to the bookstore and
Speaker 3: we'll get you a deck of tarot cards. And she said,
Speaker 3: I'm going to pick up a new book anyway, and
Speaker 3: she had something with Fabio on the cover and his
Speaker 3: hair was all whipping back. I marched out very secretly
Speaker 3: with this little Alice in Wonderland deck because I knew
Speaker 3: if I'd been caught, our friendship of the spiritual journey
Speaker 3: would be over Grainy and Ie. So I just I
Speaker 3: started using them then, and since then there's not much
Speaker 3: I can't do with the deck of cards. Not much.
Speaker 3: I even use them in my mediumship readings. In my
Speaker 3: psychic work, I used tarot for all of it.
Speaker 1: You did something to me where you were like, is
Speaker 1: this true? And I said something to you again at
Speaker 1: my skeptical self where I'm like, how often is this true?
Speaker 1: And you're like always, Or you said something where you
Speaker 1: were like, this has never been wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the mirror is never wrong.
Speaker 1: Ever, I couldn't believe it. It was so specific. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like, you know, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of thoughts in psychics and tarot and everything, but some
Speaker 1: people can interpret the tarot in such an intuitive way.
Speaker 1: That is from my experience otherworldly. And I definitely have
Speaker 1: seen your psychic abilities. I don't know that on the
Speaker 1: TV show we see a ton of your like medium abilities,
Speaker 1: but you have a lot of that too.
Speaker 3: I think, like everybody in the world is born with
Speaker 3: an inherent intuitive gift. I think eventually science will prove
Speaker 3: it as an evolutionary trait. And in my psychic development
Speaker 3: classes that I teach, I bring that up first. We
Speaker 3: are all psychic to some degree, and it is evolutionary. Now,
Speaker 3: I always tell the same kind of anecdote that back
Speaker 3: in the day, way way back in the day, when
Speaker 3: we were all in the bush trying to gather a berry,
Speaker 3: we had to know if there was something in the
Speaker 3: dark stalking us. So we developed these things like without
Speaker 3: being able to see it, or without being able to
Speaker 3: hear at the hair standing up on the back of
Speaker 3: our necks goosebumps. We instinctively knew when to run, when
Speaker 3: to hide, when to play dead. Without Google, without YouTube.
Speaker 3: It was just an inherently and it's an intrinsic part
Speaker 3: of the human consciousness. And I hope, I hope that
Speaker 3: one day science will prove it as an evolutionary trait.
Speaker 3: I really do. But yeah, I've always been really really
Speaker 3: big about including tarot into that because the tarot gives
Speaker 3: me an extra layer of detail. I think Logan Taylor
Speaker 3: is the best medium I've ever seen, and I know
Speaker 3: a lot of mediums. He's in my top three. I
Speaker 3: would put him up there with some of the celebrities
Speaker 3: who are no longer with us. I think he's great.
Speaker 3: And so whenever a mediumship thing came up, I would
Speaker 3: probably make note of it, or a psychic thing would
Speaker 3: come to me and I would explain it a little bit,
Speaker 3: but I always backed up and said, but that's Logan's department.
Speaker 3: So like even in big readings, I would say, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm picking somebody up, and I would say, but that's
Speaker 3: Logan's department. Now that never made it in the show,
Speaker 3: but I try to stay in my lane.
Speaker 1: I've actually said this before in the show, like it
Speaker 1: would be so interesting to have multiple psychics in a
Speaker 1: location together and see like who picks up what, and
Speaker 1: like comparing notes that kind of a thing. Were there
Speaker 1: moments where Logan said something and You're like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: person was trying to talk to me too.
Speaker 3: No, what did happen though? And it happened in the
Speaker 3: Haunted Desert mansion in the Desert or Haunted Desert.
Speaker 1: The place in Scottsdale. Yeah, the mansion with me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, So it was the first time I'd ever
Speaker 3: done it. But Logan and I said in real time,
Speaker 3: side by side without speaking to each other, and he
Speaker 3: was doing his psychic readings and writing his answers down.
Speaker 3: I was doing my psychic tarot readings, writing my answers down,
Speaker 3: and they just complimented each other beautifully. The thing about
Speaker 3: psychics is you can get three in a room. You
Speaker 3: can get three psychics in a room. They're each one
Speaker 3: going to add a layer. If they're good, they'll each
Speaker 3: one add a layer of true truth or reality to it,
Speaker 3: or a level of detail to it that you might
Speaker 3: not get otherwise. One psychic cologne is wonderful, great and fantastic.
Speaker 3: But if you can get three together that really know
Speaker 3: what they're talking about and are really good at what
Speaker 3: they do, you can be astounded by the information that
Speaker 3: comes forward. And that's what it's like when I'm with Logan.
Speaker 3: Things that I would say that didn't make it on
Speaker 3: the show Patty at the Limp Mansion. I didn't say
Speaker 3: a word to Logan about what I felt in that reading,
Speaker 3: and he just nailed it, nailed it. When it's over,
Speaker 3: I always go to him and I hug him and
Speaker 3: I kiss him and I say, oh my god, boy,
Speaker 3: like that was the shit. Didn't say any of these
Speaker 3: things to him, and he would know it, and vice versa.
Speaker 3: He would never mentioned any of the things to me
Speaker 3: that he ever picked up, and we would kind of
Speaker 3: go back and forth. And then Juju being Juju was
Speaker 3: iconic and always finding out everything you know that she
Speaker 3: does with her shells and her inherent gifts, just amazing. Group.
Speaker 1: What are your psychic abilities?
Speaker 3: I try to keep it very general because I think
Speaker 3: like I'm pre cognitive and postcognitive. I'm clairvoyant, Claire sinting.
Speaker 3: Of course, there's impact, like there's all these different things.
Speaker 3: I'm a big dreamer. I've been studying and developing for
Speaker 3: thirty one years to the point where I just stopped
Speaker 3: labeling it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Put me anywhere and I will get something. If something
Speaker 3: is there, I will pick something up. Yeah, so I
Speaker 3: don't really label them.
Speaker 1: Are you picking up anything for me?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, And your Emmy is on its way. Don't worry, Emmy,
Speaker 3: you're gonna win an Emmy because you're just gonna be
Speaker 3: the best community performance in a reality TV series.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a category.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's not. And I've looked it up and
Speaker 3: googled it and I'm furious.
Speaker 1: Okay, why do you think that none of my dead
Speaker 1: people want to talk to me? Am I that annoying.
Speaker 3: I think it's like with my experience of those who
Speaker 3: have passed on, they don't want to talk to you.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to know that they're there. They
Speaker 3: don't want to disrupt you. They or they're at peace
Speaker 3: and they're trying to chill out and they're trying to
Speaker 3: rest and relax. I guess, or they do try to
Speaker 3: speak to you in your skeptic mind. The skeptic mind
Speaker 3: will sometimes explain away responses or will explain away experiences.
Speaker 3: Like I always explain to people when they're reading with me,
Speaker 3: you must be open. If you're not open to this,
Speaker 3: this will be an exercise and futility, like it will
Speaker 3: just be worthless. So it's nice to have a good, clear,
Speaker 3: open mind and to have a really good medium.
Speaker 1: I've had so many readings and stuff that I haven't
Speaker 1: even talked about on this podcast, but I've had world
Speaker 1: renowned mediums talk to me and I try to get
Speaker 1: them to talk to my dead people and never once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could just be very guarded. I've read for
Speaker 3: a woman. I've read for a woman once whose husband
Speaker 3: had been up to no good and he refused to
Speaker 3: speak to any medium she'd ever been to. And we
Speaker 3: were locked in this dark office that I had at
Speaker 3: the time, and I was doing a reading for her,
Speaker 3: and I got this overwhelming sense of secrets. And you know,
Speaker 3: when I feel like there's a secret, I got to
Speaker 3: sauce it out, you know. So we were in there
Speaker 3: for like an hour and then finally it hit me.
Speaker 3: I was like, your husband was cheating on you. And
Speaker 3: she was like, that's the first time anybody has ever
Speaker 3: even contacted him, and yes, I just found his telephone
Speaker 3: and saw all the messages and the website. With the website, yeah,
Speaker 3: she was like, he was telling me he was playing
Speaker 3: softball with the boys and he was out doing. And
Speaker 3: I was like, and the spirit said to me, actually
Speaker 3: he used the F word, you know, the other word
Speaker 3: for gays and queers. And he was very violently mad
Speaker 3: that I had said it and that I had discovered it.
Speaker 3: Some spirits don't want to talk. They don't want to communicate.
Speaker 3: They want the living being to be that and they're
Speaker 3: behind you. They're spiritually there to guard you and take
Speaker 3: care of you, but they don't interfere.
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess they won't be offended.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Ken. Let's just talk about it the TV show a
Speaker 1: little bit. Okay, what do you think?
Speaker 3: I am God's pickiest creature and when it comes to
Speaker 3: TV and I when it comes to TV.
Speaker 1: Your cuss I am I talk about You're so dramatic
Speaker 1: and I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm God's people, I love it.
Speaker 1: That's a compliment for.
Speaker 3: Me, and I thank you for that. I don't know
Speaker 3: any other way to be. I'm just a Southern dramatic queen.
Speaker 3: I think in my blouse and bowler, you know. Anyway.
Speaker 3: I watch a lot of television, specifically paranormal television, because,
Speaker 3: like you, a lot of my friends are on these shows.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of them are are there and
Speaker 3: doing that work. And I've known a lot of them
Speaker 3: for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you're like big in that paranormal convention kind
Speaker 1: of world, like you do a lot of those events
Speaker 1: and all the paranormal stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I try to support my friends and watch
Speaker 3: and listen to their stuff. Some of it is amazing,
Speaker 3: and some of it makes it very clear to me
Speaker 3: as to what I will never do. I would create
Speaker 3: a subcategory of I watch paranormal television sometimes with people
Speaker 3: that I don't care for on it, like Zach Beggins
Speaker 3: Shots Fired. No, I'm just saying it's just not the
Speaker 3: way I would do it. He's not the one for me,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure I'm not the one for him. So
Speaker 3: from that, I've developed a pretty good taste as to
Speaker 3: what good paranormal television is and the reality of the
Speaker 3: show Living for the Dead is that it's not a
Speaker 3: paranormal television show. That's not what it is. This is
Speaker 3: a whole new category. This is like an eight part
Speaker 3: mini series about five friends in a tricked out, crazy
Speaker 3: RV that are going into situations to help the living
Speaker 3: by healing the dead. That's what it is. For me.
Speaker 3: From day one, I turned around and was like, we're
Speaker 3: not filming a paranormal television show. This is in no
Speaker 3: way what we're doing. And watching it as I have now,
Speaker 3: it's very clear to me that I've never seen something
Speaker 3: so beautiful. I've never seen anything so in touch, and
Speaker 3: I have not seen any paranormal television show that contributes
Speaker 3: to the conversation of life after death in the way
Speaker 3: that we've done our show. I just think it's remarkable.
Speaker 3: I've picked it apart and I have zero notes.
Speaker 1: Damn well. I think that from having so many years
Speaker 1: of watching those shows. It is interesting how having done
Speaker 1: one now it's such a different experience when you're in it.
Speaker 1: You know, I find myself a little bit less critical
Speaker 1: as time goes on of those shows now that I've
Speaker 1: done one, and i've I mean, those are not easy. No,
Speaker 1: they are not easy to make. They are emotionally exhausting. Yeah, Physically,
Speaker 1: there's just a lot going on. You know, some of
Speaker 1: these places that we went to, we're not the most
Speaker 1: comfortable places to be, like freezing cold. We did this
Speaker 1: in January, February, March, some of them you know, Midwest
Speaker 1: and whatever. Long hours, yeah, staying up all night. I
Speaker 1: feel a lot of empathy for the people that have
Speaker 1: done these shows, and now I think we are doing
Speaker 1: something different. Yeah, there's a lot of elements to this
Speaker 1: show that are not they have not been seen in
Speaker 1: other paranormal shows. Powerful moments with the people that are
Speaker 1: experiencing these horrors, some of the comedy that's in it.
Speaker 1: It's just like a very different kind of show.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like it broke the mold. They said
Speaker 3: back in nineteen seventy three when The Exorcist was made,
Speaker 3: that it hit. It hit everybody in an individual way,
Speaker 3: completely different than it would hit someone else, you know,
Speaker 3: but that it hit And I think that's what this does.
Speaker 3: I mean, is it, you know, a great, big two
Speaker 3: hour movie. No, it's an eight hour movie and it
Speaker 3: is just dripping with reality and dripping with horror in
Speaker 3: real horror moments. I mean me in a clown motel.
Speaker 3: That's not I don't care for that. And it's a
Speaker 3: real panic that you see in my face, and I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna hit. I think it will hit, and
Speaker 3: for each person in an individual way, but it will
Speaker 3: still stand alone. Is the most groundbreaking paranormal television show
Speaker 3: that's been done to date.
Speaker 1: Drama, drama, What was the scariest place you went to?
Speaker 3: Okay, scary in like the physical surroundings clown motel?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and again I'm trying not to take offense
Speaker 1: to that because my father is a professional clown.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was a professional clown as a child. I love clowns.
Speaker 3: Since the show, though, you'll be proud of me. The
Speaker 3: other night, I said and watched Stephen King's h the
Speaker 3: whole way through. Didn't even I mean I flinched. I
Speaker 3: got up sometimes to go to you know, get a
Speaker 3: piece of pizza or Cavadaiko.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you act think that's a horror movie. That
Speaker 1: is a sweet movie about a clown trying to trying
Speaker 1: to bond with some children in a very innocent way.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's rip another arm off Georgie and see how
Speaker 3: that it's horrific.
Speaker 1: That's how some clowns say, Hi, you have to understand
Speaker 1: you're talking about my culture here, this is my heritage.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, Ross. Please accept my apologies.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to be insensitive. I will just say
Speaker 3: that that I'm working on it and I am developing
Speaker 3: a I'm growing period. I'm growing, thank you, spiritually or
Speaker 3: like pureanormally. The scariest place that we were in had
Speaker 3: to be the Copper Queen.
Speaker 1: Same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was horrific, but I'm really bummed out there
Speaker 3: wasn't a camera there when I came to knock on
Speaker 3: your door one night.
Speaker 1: Let's tell the story.
Speaker 3: You tell it.
Speaker 1: In total defense of the entire team that worked on
Speaker 1: the show. We shot so many hours and there's five
Speaker 1: of us, and there's so many things that went on,
Speaker 1: so you know you're not gonna always see every single moment, right,
Speaker 1: But this night in particular was so fucking scary. Basically,
Speaker 1: long story short, CJ and I were fucking terrified after
Speaker 1: just non stop dread. That's the only word that ever
Speaker 1: came to mind when I was at the Copper Queen
Speaker 1: in Bisbee, Arizona. Dread, just non stop paranormal activity, and
Speaker 1: that's coming from again someone that doesn't always think everything's
Speaker 1: a ghost. We were so scared because we were staying
Speaker 1: on the haunted floor and CJ was keeping me company
Speaker 1: because I could not sleep, and CJ was also terrified.
Speaker 1: We are in my room with the door shut, terrified,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we hear what and
Speaker 1: CJ looks at me and he goes, someone just said
Speaker 1: your name, CJ. They said okay, and CJ and I
Speaker 1: literally run into the bathroom of my hotel room. We
Speaker 1: open up the shower that has a curtain and we
Speaker 1: go into the shower fit the curtain clothes because we
Speaker 1: were so scared, and then we realized that it was you.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I was staying in that bedroom with that
Speaker 3: demon and I couldn't sleep because of the trigger object
Speaker 3: kept going off, and I wanted to get with somebody
Speaker 3: so I wasn't alone. I got out of the room,
Speaker 3: went down the hall and kind of scurried by all
Speaker 3: the doors just to see if I could hear anybody.
Speaker 3: Then I heard you and Siege and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, they're in there, and so I just tapped.
Speaker 3: I was just like I was like froze, and then
Speaker 3: and then I said CEJ and then like I heard
Speaker 3: like bodies slapping together. And then I heard what sounded
Speaker 3: like somebody dropped an armful of frozen turkey in a
Speaker 3: I literally twited. I was like a lot of good
Speaker 3: of help. They are like what a load of help?
Speaker 3: I literally could not get over it sounded like somebody
Speaker 3: threw an armful of frozen turkeys in a bathtub just
Speaker 3: in panic.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we were an armful of frozen turkeys
Speaker 1: of that moment. We were so scared because other unexplainable
Speaker 1: things that didn't have an explanation that were I believe
Speaker 1: to be paranormal happened in that night. And I remember
Speaker 1: there was like crazy when that night and my shutters
Speaker 1: were literally like coming off the wall and banging back.
Speaker 3: It was just dread Yeah, that is a palpable feeling
Speaker 3: from the Copper Queen. It is dreadful, and it's so
Speaker 3: heavy and dark. And to find out I was sleeping
Speaker 3: in a bedroom where something very tragic had happened. I yeah,
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't period. I just could not period.
Speaker 3: And there and went to go look for my friends
Speaker 3: and they're just all shacked up in a room having
Speaker 3: the ki ky of their lives. Yeah, I'm moments from
Speaker 3: pissing myself, like, can somebody let me in, Alex. Finally
Speaker 3: we got together and we ended up watching old British
Speaker 3: television in my bedroom, like we've got a different room,
Speaker 3: and we just spent the night cuddled up, and I
Speaker 3: was like, thank you for being here.
Speaker 1: You're so lucky that we didn't open the door and
Speaker 1: me with that high heel, I didn't just kick you
Speaker 1: right in the fucking face, because that is my reaction.
Speaker 1: If I would have had a super soaker filled with
Speaker 1: holy water, you would have gotten it. You would have
Speaker 1: been blasted into the next dimension. Now I realize that
Speaker 1: next season I'm gonna have one of those, just to
Speaker 1: be safe.
Speaker 3: Just in case Kin comes knocking around in season two?
Speaker 1: Ken, do you want to hear some ghost voices?
Speaker 3: I have waited for you to ask me that question
Speaker 3: for the longest time.
Speaker 1: Yes, please, it's time for evp or ev pase. All right, Ken,
Speaker 1: as a listener of this show, you already know this.
Speaker 1: But for anyone new around here, what I do is
Speaker 1: I go to the internet. I find alleged ghost voices
Speaker 1: people believe they've captured a ghost saying some shit. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play them for you, okay, and I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me what you hear. Then I'll give you
Speaker 1: a couple of options, one of them being the correct
Speaker 1: answer of what the ghost hunter believes the ghost is saying.
Speaker 1: This first EVP was posted by pisted Ghost. That's their
Speaker 1: name on YouTube. It's actually PIST Ghost. It stands for
Speaker 1: Paranormal Investigation Society of Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Okay, Pissed Ghosts.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: I love that this was recorded at the Waverly Hills
Speaker 4: a Atorium, which is a place that you and I
Speaker 4: went to on the TV show What is this ghost?
Speaker 1: Saying? It's a faint voice. It kind of sounds like
Speaker 1: a parrot, might be a cockatoo that someone brought with
Speaker 1: them ghost hunting. A lot of background noise. But let's
Speaker 1: listen again. Yeah, let me try it again. Any guesses?
Speaker 3: No, I don't have any guesses. Off hid It's so faint,
Speaker 3: isn't it. It's like the front noise is so hard
Speaker 3: to hear past. What are the options?
Speaker 1: Okay? Is it a calling doctor Marcus? Is it b
Speaker 1: I got my doc.
Speaker 3: Martin's okay, which I wore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it C, I'm not your mother, or is
Speaker 1: it D I'm not can Boggle, which is something that
Speaker 1: only can Boggle would say. So I'm not convinced entirely
Speaker 1: that you weren't there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually I don't think any of them. But
Speaker 3: I thought it said it's not what you're here for.
Speaker 1: Oh well that is not an option, So I'm going
Speaker 1: to go with D i Am not kim Boggle. They
Speaker 1: believe it's a calling doctor Marcus. Let me play it again.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: They think it's like over a pa kind of like
Speaker 1: the ghost of which is possible. Maybe there was a
Speaker 1: doctor Marcus. That it is an old tuberculosis sanatorium.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The idea that it's coming from a pa is
Speaker 3: is very kind of poignant. I can get with that.
Speaker 1: I think it's coming from a pa are our ot.
Speaker 1: I really think that that is a macaw that flew
Speaker 1: by and said I'm not your mother. Okay, here's another one.
Speaker 1: This was posted on YouTube by mister Tenacious One, and
Speaker 1: this is just a random one. I apologize there's not
Speaker 1: really much connection here, okay, but this is at Union
Speaker 1: Station in Ogden, Utah. What is this gousseeg cabboggle A
Speaker 1: more whispery one? Yeah, it sounds like a whisper of
Speaker 1: somebody right next to an ac unit. All right, let's
Speaker 1: play it again. Any guesses? No, no guesses, let me
Speaker 1: play it again. Nothing. No, you don't got no gas?
Speaker 3: No guess?
Speaker 1: All right? Is it A? What bands don't you like?
Speaker 1: Is it B? Is that what you like? Is it
Speaker 1: C I tried to touch the light or D my
Speaker 1: pants are too tight?
Speaker 3: I think it's B.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's B? Which is is that what
Speaker 1: you like? Yeah, they believe it's C. I tried to
Speaker 1: touch the light.
Speaker 3: Oh, let's hear it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 3: I think we should have also had E. Let's just
Speaker 3: be friends.
Speaker 1: I think you're confusing that with what I've said to
Speaker 1: you multiple times.
Speaker 3: Stop, we can still be friends. That's what that goes to,
Speaker 3: saying we can still be friends.
Speaker 1: Can you have told me that you're deeply, madly in
Speaker 1: love with me? That's another thing that you've said to me.
Speaker 3: It is absolutely true. I feel like we're the best
Speaker 3: thing since divorced Sonny and Share.
Speaker 1: You know, we kind of look like them a little bit.
Speaker 1: We do in some crazy way.
Speaker 3: Next Halloween, next hall a queen party we throw. We
Speaker 3: gotta be Sonny and Share. I will shave my beard
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 1: Ooh, I would love to be sure for Halloween. Speaking
Speaker 1: of me, what was your favorite moment with me when
Speaker 1: we shot the TV show?
Speaker 3: I have three favorite moments. I'll do them really quick
Speaker 3: because I no, we only have an hour and I'm
Speaker 3: so sorry.
Speaker 1: Three listen. If it's about me, we have time. Keep
Speaker 1: them coming.
Speaker 3: It's okay, okay, cheers. One when you pushed me down
Speaker 3: to get away from the demon.
Speaker 1: Where was that? Oh that was at Waverley Hills.
Speaker 3: That's iconic.
Speaker 1: I did push you down. I think it's in the
Speaker 1: final like it is in.
Speaker 3: The final, it's briefly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other one is you and any time you've had
Speaker 3: a donut near your mouth hole anytime?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do eat a lot of donuts on the show,
Speaker 1: and I to make it clear to everyone watching at home,
Speaker 1: that is real. I really I swallowed. Yes, Okay, a
Speaker 1: lot of times when people eat donuts on TV shows,
Speaker 1: they have a spit bucket. You don't see that part.
Speaker 1: I swallowed every single inch of every donut.
Speaker 3: And then licked your fingers.
Speaker 1: I licked the box.
Speaker 3: You sure did. But the thing I just saw last
Speaker 3: night that is the number one is when you're at
Speaker 3: the Palomino and you got dragged because of your hair.
Speaker 3: Your reaction to that I left my body. I just
Speaker 3: lost it.
Speaker 1: That was when we went to the strip club, the
Speaker 1: legendary Palomino in Las Vegas, and everybody was having ghosts
Speaker 1: experiences but me, And once again I was like, why
Speaker 1: don't ghosts have any interest in me? I used to
Speaker 1: feel like ghosts loved me, and then I realized I
Speaker 1: don't think those were ghosts. I think I was. I
Speaker 1: got medicated, but at this point in my life don't
Speaker 1: want anything to do with me. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? And that day, in particular, I
Speaker 1: was very self conscious about my hair because I'm not
Speaker 1: very good at styling hair. And there was also a
Speaker 1: moment where we walked into the building a gust of
Speaker 1: wind messed up my hair really bad. Yeah, And I said,
Speaker 1: is it because of my hair? And the ghosts said yes,
Speaker 1: that's why they don't like me.
Speaker 3: And your reaction it's chef's kiss, like it is so good.
Speaker 3: I actually got up and just walk down the hallway laughing.
Speaker 3: My ass off chef's kiss. You're iconic.
Speaker 1: Thank you, But like, what's like your favorite moment from
Speaker 1: just like the eight months, whether it's on the TV
Speaker 1: show or not, Like stuff that we did together. That
Speaker 1: was fun because you know, I love to talk to
Speaker 1: paranormal TV show people about like what do you guys
Speaker 1: do when you're not like hunting ghosts and you're still
Speaker 1: out there doing the show.
Speaker 3: This is going to be very anticlimactic for anybody who
Speaker 3: isn't me, so sorry, y'all.
Speaker 1: Great, all right, well that's at least four million people.
Speaker 3: My favorite moment, My favorite moment was when we were
Speaker 3: in Scottsdale and we were doing the Slayance as you
Speaker 3: termed it, and I held your hand and when the
Speaker 3: chandelier shook a little it kind of swayed. You grabbed
Speaker 3: hold a little tighter with your hand in mind, and
Speaker 3: it made me feel like you believe that I was
Speaker 3: there to keep you safe. It was a really heartwarming
Speaker 3: moment for me because for the longest time I thought
Speaker 3: you really genuinely did not like me, and it was
Speaker 3: in that moment when you held my hand, I was like,
Speaker 3: she does feel me, And from that point on, every
Speaker 3: time you looked at me with warmth. It threw me.
Speaker 3: I just was head over heels for you every single day.
Speaker 1: Oh can god, I'm good at faking it. Yes, Now,
Speaker 1: you're so lovable. You're such a lovable person, Ken, Yes, man,
Speaker 1: I am so honored to get to share this experience
Speaker 1: with you of being on a TV show. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we did it, but we did.
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1: We got to work together, we got to meet each other,
Speaker 1: and I'm sad to say I will never talk to
Speaker 1: you again. After we get off the Zoom.
Speaker 3: Ros hernand Dance. You almost hit me emotional. I almost
Speaker 3: had a little moment where I got teary eyed because
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say something sweet. I
Speaker 3: should have known better. I should have just known better.
Speaker 1: I apologize, Ken, but we will not be airing this episode.
Speaker 1: This was my way of saying goodbye. I want it
Speaker 1: to be clear that it's very fun to bully Ken,
Speaker 1: because you have such a lovable laugh and you know
Speaker 1: that I'm joking and anytime someone as sweet as can be,
Speaker 1: I like to knock them down a few pegs.
Speaker 3: I love you making fun of me.
Speaker 1: You're so fun to make finne Hey tell people where
Speaker 1: you want to find you what you got going on.
Speaker 3: You can go to Kenboggle dot com. If you want
Speaker 3: to contact me for conventions or something like that, you
Speaker 3: can do so on the contact page. If you like
Speaker 3: to have a reading, which I do private readings, either
Speaker 3: in person, on phone or video, you can go to
Speaker 3: the readings page and fill out the contact form there
Speaker 3: and my new assistant will be in touch.
Speaker 1: Also, if anyone happens to be in a gas station
Speaker 1: in the Kentucky area, go to the hot dog area.
Speaker 1: This is not an nuendo. No, Ken Boggle loves a
Speaker 1: gas station hot dog, and on at least one occasion,
Speaker 1: I was in a car with you with the windows
Speaker 1: rolled up because it was cold out, and the smell
Speaker 1: that was coming from that backseat has not left my nose.
Speaker 1: I do not like the smell of hot dogs or
Speaker 1: ketchup or pickles or any of that.
Speaker 3: I eat them naked. I just love a good plane.
Speaker 3: Just a roller dog baby right between the bun Oh.
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying you get naked when you
Speaker 1: eat those.
Speaker 3: No, I eat, you know, hot dogs naked without anything
Speaker 3: on them.
Speaker 1: You know you made it sound like you get fully
Speaker 1: naked when you eat a gas station hot dog raws.
Speaker 3: I did not make it.
Speaker 1: Guess you did. You said I eat gas station hot
Speaker 1: dogs naked?
Speaker 3: Said I eat them naked? I would. Now I hear it,
Speaker 3: Now I hear it. Yes, okay, my apologies.
Speaker 1: So to be clear for the record, Ken Boggle does
Speaker 1: not get butt naked and gas stations and start eating
Speaker 1: hot dogs.
Speaker 3: I wait until I get home, like anybody else who
Speaker 3: is brought up right.
Speaker 1: And then you take off all your clothes.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, just mean a bowler hat.
Speaker 1: Ken, This is inappropriate.
Speaker 3: I've loved it. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for doing it.
Speaker 3: Ken, It's my pleasure, baby.
Speaker 1: Bye bye. Thank you so much to Ken Boggle and
Speaker 1: his hats. You know he was wearing one of those
Speaker 1: hats when we were talking. Hey, check out the show.
Speaker 1: It's called Living for the Dead and it is streaming
Speaker 1: now on Hulu. Tell your friends about it. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for listening to this podcast. I love you all,
Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you
Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt mekay By. This has been
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Speaker 1: I'll even call you. So email me at ghosted by
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Speaker 1: startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie
Speaker 1: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.
Speaker 1: Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten.
Speaker 1: My theme music is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.
Speaker 1: Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the
Speaker 1: Spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.