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Speaker 1: I said, Nandas.

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Speaker 2: Please Hey boo, it's me Ras and Welcome to Ghosted

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Speaker 2: by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people

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Speaker 2: that I like about things that make me go.

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Speaker 1: Peepy in my panties. Oh my god, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: talk to can Boggle from the TV show Living for

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Speaker 1: the Dead, which is now streaming, Oh my god, starting

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Speaker 1: the eighteenth. Yeah, yeah, this episode is out after the

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Speaker 1: I've seen all of the episodes, and the first one

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Speaker 1: And I think that as the season goes on, you'll

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Speaker 1: see that we really we all really get closer as

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Speaker 1: tell your friends about it. We want shows like this

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Speaker 3: That makes me so incredibly happy. You have no idea

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Speaker 3: Raul's It's complete and total BS now I know it.

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Speaker 1: This is high praise coming from me, Okay, because of

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Speaker 3: You are cute me.

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Speaker 1: The other day you go ross. You are funnier than Lucille.

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Speaker 3: You are funnier than Lucille Ball.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you can't say that, the hell I can.

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Speaker 1: Well. I will say you are such a generous laugher.

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Speaker 3: I'll do that always, as long as you'll have me.

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Speaker 1: And this is why I say you're my favorite in

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Speaker 3: Album well secrets safe with me, babe.

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Speaker 1: So you also are a tarot reader and you gave

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Speaker 1: me no listen. You don't know how many funky girls

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Speaker 1: with a Deck of Cards I have met in my life.

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of readings in this town of

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and I've had some very good ones. My

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Speaker 1: friend Lindsey Cooperman is amazing. I'll just say right now.

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Speaker 1: Upcoming guest Rachel True, one of the stars of the

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Speaker 1: movie The Craft. She's an amazing tarot reader, and she

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Speaker 1: got me good. Ken, you got me good. I think

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Speaker 1: it was the first night of our experience. We were

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Speaker 1: in the Clown Motel and we had a slumber party.

442
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Speaker 1: You and I yeah, platonic yeo, and you were generous

443
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Speaker 1: enough to pull out the deck of Cards and gave

444
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Speaker 1: me a reading. Charged me a couple hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Roz, I did not, Roz, Hernandez don't.

446
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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I'm kidding. It was on the House, the

447
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: Haunted House, and it was good. You did a spread

448
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Speaker 1: that you called the Mirror. Yeah, I remember that. Let's

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Speaker 1: just talk about Taro for a second, because I think

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Speaker 1: every single episode you give a tarot reading to somebody

451
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Speaker 1: that is affected by these hauntings, and you definitely get

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Speaker 1: people good. When did the tarot start?

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Speaker 3: So Taro started thirty one years ago, So the same.

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Speaker 1: Time did your granny teach you how to do it?

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Speaker 3: My aunt Caroline came over with the deck of poker cards,

456
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: like you know, the bicycle deck, okay, And I came

457
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: went back to Granny's and said, oh look what I

458
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: can do. You know, I can tell your fortune with

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Speaker 3: the poker cards. And she said, that's cute. Do what

460
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Speaker 3: big men do and do Tarot is what she called it,

461
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: tarot tar it. Yeah, my Welsh friends call it tarot

462
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: as well as a matter of fact. But anyway, she said,

463
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Speaker 3: here's twenty bucks. We'll go down to the bookstore and

464
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Speaker 3: we'll get you a deck of tarot cards. And she said,

465
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Speaker 3: I'm going to pick up a new book anyway, and

466
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: she had something with Fabio on the cover and his

467
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: hair was all whipping back. I marched out very secretly

468
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Speaker 3: with this little Alice in Wonderland deck because I knew

469
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Speaker 3: if I'd been caught, our friendship of the spiritual journey

470
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 3: would be over Grainy and Ie. So I just I

471
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: started using them then, and since then there's not much

472
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Speaker 3: I can't do with the deck of cards. Not much.

473
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: I even use them in my mediumship readings. In my

474
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Speaker 3: psychic work, I used tarot for all of it.

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Speaker 1: You did something to me where you were like, is

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Speaker 1: this true? And I said something to you again at

477
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Speaker 1: my skeptical self where I'm like, how often is this true?

478
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: And you're like always, Or you said something where you

479
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: were like, this has never been wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the mirror is never wrong.

481
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Speaker 1: Ever, I couldn't believe it. It was so specific. And

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Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like, you know, I have a lot

483
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: of thoughts in psychics and tarot and everything, but some

484
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: people can interpret the tarot in such an intuitive way.

485
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Speaker 1: That is from my experience otherworldly. And I definitely have

486
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Speaker 1: seen your psychic abilities. I don't know that on the

487
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: TV show we see a ton of your like medium abilities,

488
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: but you have a lot of that too.

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Speaker 3: I think, like everybody in the world is born with

490
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: an inherent intuitive gift. I think eventually science will prove

491
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: it as an evolutionary trait. And in my psychic development

492
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: classes that I teach, I bring that up first. We

493
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: are all psychic to some degree, and it is evolutionary. Now,

494
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: I always tell the same kind of anecdote that back

495
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: in the day, way way back in the day, when

496
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: we were all in the bush trying to gather a berry,

497
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: we had to know if there was something in the

498
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: dark stalking us. So we developed these things like without

499
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: being able to see it, or without being able to

500
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 3: hear at the hair standing up on the back of

501
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: our necks goosebumps. We instinctively knew when to run, when

502
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: to hide, when to play dead. Without Google, without YouTube.

503
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: It was just an inherently and it's an intrinsic part

504
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: of the human consciousness. And I hope, I hope that

505
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: one day science will prove it as an evolutionary trait.

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00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: I really do. But yeah, I've always been really really

507
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Speaker 3: big about including tarot into that because the tarot gives

508
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: me an extra layer of detail. I think Logan Taylor

509
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: is the best medium I've ever seen, and I know

510
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Speaker 3: a lot of mediums. He's in my top three. I

511
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Speaker 3: would put him up there with some of the celebrities

512
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: who are no longer with us. I think he's great.

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00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: And so whenever a mediumship thing came up, I would

514
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: probably make note of it, or a psychic thing would

515
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: come to me and I would explain it a little bit,

516
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: but I always backed up and said, but that's Logan's department.

517
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: So like even in big readings, I would say, oh,

518
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: I'm picking somebody up, and I would say, but that's

519
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: Logan's department. Now that never made it in the show,

520
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: but I try to stay in my lane.

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Speaker 1: I've actually said this before in the show, like it

522
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: would be so interesting to have multiple psychics in a

523
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: location together and see like who picks up what, and

524
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: like comparing notes that kind of a thing. Were there

525
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: moments where Logan said something and You're like, yeah, that

526
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: person was trying to talk to me too.

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Speaker 3: No, what did happen though? And it happened in the

528
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Speaker 3: Haunted Desert mansion in the Desert or Haunted Desert.

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Speaker 1: The place in Scottsdale. Yeah, the mansion with me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, So it was the first time I'd ever

531
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Speaker 3: done it. But Logan and I said in real time,

532
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: side by side without speaking to each other, and he

533
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: was doing his psychic readings and writing his answers down.

534
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: I was doing my psychic tarot readings, writing my answers down,

535
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: and they just complimented each other beautifully. The thing about

536
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: psychics is you can get three in a room. You

537
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: can get three psychics in a room. They're each one

538
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: going to add a layer. If they're good, they'll each

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00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: one add a layer of true truth or reality to it,

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00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: or a level of detail to it that you might

541
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Speaker 3: not get otherwise. One psychic cologne is wonderful, great and fantastic.

542
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: But if you can get three together that really know

543
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: what they're talking about and are really good at what

544
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: they do, you can be astounded by the information that

545
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 3: comes forward. And that's what it's like when I'm with Logan.

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Speaker 3: Things that I would say that didn't make it on

547
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: the show Patty at the Limp Mansion. I didn't say

548
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: a word to Logan about what I felt in that reading,

549
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: and he just nailed it, nailed it. When it's over,

550
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: I always go to him and I hug him and

551
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: I kiss him and I say, oh my god, boy,

552
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: like that was the shit. Didn't say any of these

553
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: things to him, and he would know it, and vice versa.

554
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: He would never mentioned any of the things to me

555
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: that he ever picked up, and we would kind of

556
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: go back and forth. And then Juju being Juju was

557
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: iconic and always finding out everything you know that she

558
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: does with her shells and her inherent gifts, just amazing. Group.

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Speaker 1: What are your psychic abilities?

560
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Speaker 3: I try to keep it very general because I think

561
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: like I'm pre cognitive and postcognitive. I'm clairvoyant, Claire sinting.

562
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: Of course, there's impact, like there's all these different things.

563
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm a big dreamer. I've been studying and developing for

564
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: thirty one years to the point where I just stopped

565
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 3: labeling it.

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Speaker 1: Right.

567
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: Put me anywhere and I will get something. If something

568
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: is there, I will pick something up. Yeah, so I

569
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Speaker 3: don't really label them.

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Speaker 1: Are you picking up anything for me?

571
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, And your Emmy is on its way. Don't worry, Emmy,

572
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna win an Emmy because you're just gonna be

573
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: the best community performance in a reality TV series.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a category.

575
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: No, no, it's not. And I've looked it up and

576
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: googled it and I'm furious.

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Speaker 1: Okay, why do you think that none of my dead

578
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: people want to talk to me? Am I that annoying.

579
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: I think it's like with my experience of those who

580
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: have passed on, they don't want to talk to you.

581
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: They don't want you to know that they're there. They

582
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: don't want to disrupt you. They or they're at peace

583
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: and they're trying to chill out and they're trying to

584
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: rest and relax. I guess, or they do try to

585
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: speak to you in your skeptic mind. The skeptic mind

586
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: will sometimes explain away responses or will explain away experiences.

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00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: Like I always explain to people when they're reading with me,

588
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: you must be open. If you're not open to this,

589
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: this will be an exercise and futility, like it will

590
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: just be worthless. So it's nice to have a good, clear,

591
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: open mind and to have a really good medium.

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Speaker 1: I've had so many readings and stuff that I haven't

593
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Speaker 1: even talked about on this podcast, but I've had world

594
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: renowned mediums talk to me and I try to get

595
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: them to talk to my dead people and never once.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they could just be very guarded. I've read for

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Speaker 3: a woman. I've read for a woman once whose husband

598
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: had been up to no good and he refused to

599
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: speak to any medium she'd ever been to. And we

600
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: were locked in this dark office that I had at

601
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Speaker 3: the time, and I was doing a reading for her,

602
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: and I got this overwhelming sense of secrets. And you know,

603
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: when I feel like there's a secret, I got to

604
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: sauce it out, you know. So we were in there

605
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: for like an hour and then finally it hit me.

606
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 3: I was like, your husband was cheating on you. And

607
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: she was like, that's the first time anybody has ever

608
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: even contacted him, and yes, I just found his telephone

609
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: and saw all the messages and the website. With the website, yeah,

610
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: she was like, he was telling me he was playing

611
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: softball with the boys and he was out doing. And

612
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: I was like, and the spirit said to me, actually

613
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: he used the F word, you know, the other word

614
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: for gays and queers. And he was very violently mad

615
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: that I had said it and that I had discovered it.

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Speaker 3: Some spirits don't want to talk. They don't want to communicate.

617
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: They want the living being to be that and they're

618
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: behind you. They're spiritually there to guard you and take

619
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: care of you, but they don't interfere.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I guess they won't be offended.

621
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Ken. Let's just talk about it the TV show a

623
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: little bit. Okay, what do you think?

624
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: I am God's pickiest creature and when it comes to

625
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: TV and I when it comes to TV.

626
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: Your cuss I am I talk about You're so dramatic

627
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: and I love it.

628
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: I'm God's people, I love it.

629
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: That's a compliment for.

630
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: Me, and I thank you for that. I don't know

631
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 3: any other way to be. I'm just a Southern dramatic queen.

632
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 3: I think in my blouse and bowler, you know. Anyway.

633
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 3: I watch a lot of television, specifically paranormal television, because,

634
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 3: like you, a lot of my friends are on these shows.

635
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of them are are there and

636
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: doing that work. And I've known a lot of them

637
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: for a very long time.

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00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you're like big in that paranormal convention kind

639
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: of world, like you do a lot of those events

640
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: and all the paranormal stuff.

641
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I try to support my friends and watch

642
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: and listen to their stuff. Some of it is amazing,

643
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: and some of it makes it very clear to me

644
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: as to what I will never do. I would create

645
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: a subcategory of I watch paranormal television sometimes with people

646
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: that I don't care for on it, like Zach Beggins

647
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: Shots Fired. No, I'm just saying it's just not the

648
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: way I would do it. He's not the one for me,

649
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: but I'm sure I'm not the one for him. So

650
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: from that, I've developed a pretty good taste as to

651
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: what good paranormal television is and the reality of the

652
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: show Living for the Dead is that it's not a

653
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: paranormal television show. That's not what it is. This is

654
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: a whole new category. This is like an eight part

655
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: mini series about five friends in a tricked out, crazy

656
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: RV that are going into situations to help the living

657
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: by healing the dead. That's what it is. For me.

658
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: From day one, I turned around and was like, we're

659
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: not filming a paranormal television show. This is in no

660
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: way what we're doing. And watching it as I have now,

661
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: it's very clear to me that I've never seen something

662
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: so beautiful. I've never seen anything so in touch, and

663
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: I have not seen any paranormal television show that contributes

664
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: to the conversation of life after death in the way

665
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: that we've done our show. I just think it's remarkable.

666
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: I've picked it apart and I have zero notes.

667
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: Damn well. I think that from having so many years

668
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: of watching those shows. It is interesting how having done

669
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: one now it's such a different experience when you're in it.

670
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: You know, I find myself a little bit less critical

671
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: as time goes on of those shows now that I've

672
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: done one, and i've I mean, those are not easy. No,

673
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: they are not easy to make. They are emotionally exhausting. Yeah, Physically,

674
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: there's just a lot going on. You know, some of

675
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: these places that we went to, we're not the most

676
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: comfortable places to be, like freezing cold. We did this

677
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: in January, February, March, some of them you know, Midwest

678
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: and whatever. Long hours, yeah, staying up all night. I

679
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: feel a lot of empathy for the people that have

680
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: done these shows, and now I think we are doing

681
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: something different. Yeah, there's a lot of elements to this

682
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: show that are not they have not been seen in

683
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: other paranormal shows. Powerful moments with the people that are

684
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: experiencing these horrors, some of the comedy that's in it.

685
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: It's just like a very different kind of show.

686
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like it broke the mold. They said

687
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 3: back in nineteen seventy three when The Exorcist was made,

688
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: that it hit. It hit everybody in an individual way,

689
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: completely different than it would hit someone else, you know,

690
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: but that it hit And I think that's what this does.

691
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 3: I mean, is it, you know, a great, big two

692
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: hour movie. No, it's an eight hour movie and it

693
00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: is just dripping with reality and dripping with horror in

694
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: real horror moments. I mean me in a clown motel.

695
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: That's not I don't care for that. And it's a

696
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: real panic that you see in my face, and I

697
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: think it's gonna hit. I think it will hit, and

698
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: for each person in an individual way, but it will

699
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 3: still stand alone. Is the most groundbreaking paranormal television show

700
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: that's been done to date.

701
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: Drama, drama, What was the scariest place you went to?

702
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: Okay, scary in like the physical surroundings clown motel?

703
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and again I'm trying not to take offense

704
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: to that because my father is a professional clown.

705
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

706
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: I was a professional clown as a child. I love clowns.

707
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: Since the show, though, you'll be proud of me. The

708
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: other night, I said and watched Stephen King's h the

709
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: whole way through. Didn't even I mean I flinched. I

710
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: got up sometimes to go to you know, get a

711
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: piece of pizza or Cavadaiko.

712
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you act think that's a horror movie. That

713
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: is a sweet movie about a clown trying to trying

714
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: to bond with some children in a very innocent way.

715
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: Yes, let's rip another arm off Georgie and see how

716
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: that it's horrific.

717
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: That's how some clowns say, Hi, you have to understand

718
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about my culture here, this is my heritage.

719
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, Ross. Please accept my apologies.

720
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: Thank you.

721
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to be insensitive. I will just say

722
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: that that I'm working on it and I am developing

723
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: a I'm growing period. I'm growing, thank you, spiritually or

724
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: like pureanormally. The scariest place that we were in had

725
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: to be the Copper Queen.

726
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: Same.

727
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was horrific, but I'm really bummed out there

728
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: wasn't a camera there when I came to knock on

729
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: your door one night.

730
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: Let's tell the story.

731
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: You tell it.

732
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: In total defense of the entire team that worked on

733
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: the show. We shot so many hours and there's five

734
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: of us, and there's so many things that went on,

735
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: so you know you're not gonna always see every single moment, right,

736
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: But this night in particular was so fucking scary. Basically,

737
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: long story short, CJ and I were fucking terrified after

738
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: just non stop dread. That's the only word that ever

739
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: came to mind when I was at the Copper Queen

740
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: in Bisbee, Arizona. Dread, just non stop paranormal activity, and

741
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: that's coming from again someone that doesn't always think everything's

742
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: a ghost. We were so scared because we were staying

743
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: on the haunted floor and CJ was keeping me company

744
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: because I could not sleep, and CJ was also terrified.

745
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: We are in my room with the door shut, terrified,

746
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we hear what and

747
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: CJ looks at me and he goes, someone just said

748
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: your name, CJ. They said okay, and CJ and I

749
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: literally run into the bathroom of my hotel room. We

750
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: open up the shower that has a curtain and we

751
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: go into the shower fit the curtain clothes because we

752
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: were so scared, and then we realized that it was you.

753
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I was staying in that bedroom with that

754
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: demon and I couldn't sleep because of the trigger object

755
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: kept going off, and I wanted to get with somebody

756
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: so I wasn't alone. I got out of the room,

757
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 3: went down the hall and kind of scurried by all

758
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: the doors just to see if I could hear anybody.

759
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: Then I heard you and Siege and I was like,

760
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: oh my god, they're in there, and so I just tapped.

761
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: I was just like I was like froze, and then

762
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: and then I said CEJ and then like I heard

763
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: like bodies slapping together. And then I heard what sounded

764
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: like somebody dropped an armful of frozen turkey in a

765
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 3: I literally twited. I was like a lot of good

766
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: of help. They are like what a load of help?

767
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: I literally could not get over it sounded like somebody

768
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 3: threw an armful of frozen turkeys in a bathtub just

769
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: in panic.

770
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we were an armful of frozen turkeys

771
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: of that moment. We were so scared because other unexplainable

772
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: things that didn't have an explanation that were I believe

773
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: to be paranormal happened in that night. And I remember

774
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: there was like crazy when that night and my shutters

775
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: were literally like coming off the wall and banging back.

776
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: It was just dread Yeah, that is a palpable feeling

777
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: from the Copper Queen. It is dreadful, and it's so

778
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: heavy and dark. And to find out I was sleeping

779
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: in a bedroom where something very tragic had happened. I yeah,

780
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't period. I just could not period.

781
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: And there and went to go look for my friends

782
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: and they're just all shacked up in a room having

783
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: the ki ky of their lives. Yeah, I'm moments from

784
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: pissing myself, like, can somebody let me in, Alex. Finally

785
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: we got together and we ended up watching old British

786
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: television in my bedroom, like we've got a different room,

787
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: and we just spent the night cuddled up, and I

788
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 3: was like, thank you for being here.

789
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: You're so lucky that we didn't open the door and

790
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: me with that high heel, I didn't just kick you

791
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: right in the fucking face, because that is my reaction.

792
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: If I would have had a super soaker filled with

793
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: holy water, you would have gotten it. You would have

794
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: been blasted into the next dimension. Now I realize that

795
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: next season I'm gonna have one of those, just to

796
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: be safe.

797
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: Just in case Kin comes knocking around in season two?

798
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: Ken, do you want to hear some ghost voices?

799
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: I have waited for you to ask me that question

800
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: for the longest time.

801
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: Yes, please, it's time for evp or ev pase. All right, Ken,

802
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: as a listener of this show, you already know this.

803
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: But for anyone new around here, what I do is

804
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: I go to the internet. I find alleged ghost voices

805
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: people believe they've captured a ghost saying some shit. I'm

806
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: gonna play them for you, okay, and I want you

807
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: to tell me what you hear. Then I'll give you

808
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: a couple of options, one of them being the correct

809
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: answer of what the ghost hunter believes the ghost is saying.

810
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: This first EVP was posted by pisted Ghost. That's their

811
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: name on YouTube. It's actually PIST Ghost. It stands for

812
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: Paranormal Investigation Society of Tennessee.

813
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: Okay, Pissed Ghosts.

814
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

815
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 4: I love that this was recorded at the Waverly Hills

816
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: a Atorium, which is a place that you and I

817
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: went to on the TV show What is this ghost?

818
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: Saying? It's a faint voice. It kind of sounds like

819
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: a parrot, might be a cockatoo that someone brought with

820
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: them ghost hunting. A lot of background noise. But let's

821
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: listen again. Yeah, let me try it again. Any guesses?

822
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: No, I don't have any guesses. Off hid It's so faint,

823
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: isn't it. It's like the front noise is so hard

824
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 3: to hear past. What are the options?

825
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: Okay? Is it a calling doctor Marcus? Is it b

826
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: I got my doc.

827
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 3: Martin's okay, which I wore.

828
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it C, I'm not your mother, or is

829
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: it D I'm not can Boggle, which is something that

830
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: only can Boggle would say. So I'm not convinced entirely

831
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: that you weren't there.

832
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually I don't think any of them. But

833
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 3: I thought it said it's not what you're here for.

834
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: Oh well that is not an option, So I'm going

835
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: to go with D i Am not kim Boggle. They

836
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: believe it's a calling doctor Marcus. Let me play it again.

837
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

838
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: They think it's like over a pa kind of like

839
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: the ghost of which is possible. Maybe there was a

840
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: doctor Marcus. That it is an old tuberculosis sanatorium.

841
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. The idea that it's coming from a pa is

842
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: is very kind of poignant. I can get with that.

843
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: I think it's coming from a pa are our ot.

844
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: I really think that that is a macaw that flew

845
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: by and said I'm not your mother. Okay, here's another one.

846
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: This was posted on YouTube by mister Tenacious One, and

847
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: this is just a random one. I apologize there's not

848
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: really much connection here, okay, but this is at Union

849
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: Station in Ogden, Utah. What is this gousseeg cabboggle A

850
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: more whispery one? Yeah, it sounds like a whisper of

851
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: somebody right next to an ac unit. All right, let's

852
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: play it again. Any guesses? No, no guesses, let me

853
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: play it again. Nothing. No, you don't got no gas?

854
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: No guess?

855
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: All right? Is it A? What bands don't you like?

856
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: Is it B? Is that what you like? Is it

857
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: C I tried to touch the light or D my

858
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: pants are too tight?

859
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: I think it's B.

860
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: Do you think it's B? Which is is that what

861
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: you like? Yeah, they believe it's C. I tried to

862
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: touch the light.

863
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: Oh, let's hear it again.

864
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that.

865
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: I think we should have also had E. Let's just

866
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: be friends.

867
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: I think you're confusing that with what I've said to

868
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: you multiple times.

869
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: Stop, we can still be friends. That's what that goes to,

870
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: saying we can still be friends.

871
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: Can you have told me that you're deeply, madly in

872
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: love with me? That's another thing that you've said to me.

873
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: It is absolutely true. I feel like we're the best

874
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: thing since divorced Sonny and Share.

875
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: You know, we kind of look like them a little bit.

876
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: We do in some crazy way.

877
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 3: Next Halloween, next hall a queen party we throw. We

878
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: gotta be Sonny and Share. I will shave my beard

879
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: for that.

880
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 1: Ooh, I would love to be sure for Halloween. Speaking

881
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: of me, what was your favorite moment with me when

882
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: we shot the TV show?

883
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 3: I have three favorite moments. I'll do them really quick

884
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: because I no, we only have an hour and I'm

885
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: so sorry.

886
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Three listen. If it's about me, we have time. Keep

887
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: them coming.

888
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 3: It's okay, okay, cheers. One when you pushed me down

889
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: to get away from the demon.

890
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: Where was that? Oh that was at Waverley Hills.

891
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: That's iconic.

892
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: I did push you down. I think it's in the

893
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: final like it is in.

894
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: The final, it's briefly.

895
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

896
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: The other one is you and any time you've had

897
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 3: a donut near your mouth hole anytime?

898
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do eat a lot of donuts on the show,

899
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: and I to make it clear to everyone watching at home,

900
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: that is real. I really I swallowed. Yes, Okay, a

901
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: lot of times when people eat donuts on TV shows,

902
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: they have a spit bucket. You don't see that part.

903
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: I swallowed every single inch of every donut.

904
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 3: And then licked your fingers.

905
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: I licked the box.

906
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 3: You sure did. But the thing I just saw last

907
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 3: night that is the number one is when you're at

908
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 3: the Palomino and you got dragged because of your hair.

909
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 3: Your reaction to that I left my body. I just

910
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: lost it.

911
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: That was when we went to the strip club, the

912
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: legendary Palomino in Las Vegas, and everybody was having ghosts

913
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: experiences but me, And once again I was like, why

914
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: don't ghosts have any interest in me? I used to

915
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: feel like ghosts loved me, and then I realized I

916
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: don't think those were ghosts. I think I was. I

917
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: got medicated, but at this point in my life don't

918
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: want anything to do with me. And I was like,

919
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: what is going on? And that day, in particular, I

920
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: was very self conscious about my hair because I'm not

921
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: very good at styling hair. And there was also a

922
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: moment where we walked into the building a gust of

923
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 1: wind messed up my hair really bad. Yeah, And I said,

924
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: is it because of my hair? And the ghosts said yes,

925
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: that's why they don't like me.

926
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 3: And your reaction it's chef's kiss, like it is so good.

927
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: I actually got up and just walk down the hallway laughing.

928
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 3: My ass off chef's kiss. You're iconic.

929
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: Thank you, But like, what's like your favorite moment from

930
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: just like the eight months, whether it's on the TV

931
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: show or not, Like stuff that we did together. That

932
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: was fun because you know, I love to talk to

933
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: paranormal TV show people about like what do you guys

934
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: do when you're not like hunting ghosts and you're still

935
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: out there doing the show.

936
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: This is going to be very anticlimactic for anybody who

937
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: isn't me, so sorry, y'all.

938
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: Great, all right, well that's at least four million people.

939
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 3: My favorite moment, My favorite moment was when we were

940
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: in Scottsdale and we were doing the Slayance as you

941
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: termed it, and I held your hand and when the

942
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 3: chandelier shook a little it kind of swayed. You grabbed

943
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: hold a little tighter with your hand in mind, and

944
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: it made me feel like you believe that I was

945
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 3: there to keep you safe. It was a really heartwarming

946
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: moment for me because for the longest time I thought

947
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: you really genuinely did not like me, and it was

948
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: in that moment when you held my hand, I was like,

949
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: she does feel me, And from that point on, every

950
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: time you looked at me with warmth. It threw me.

951
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: I just was head over heels for you every single day.

952
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: Oh can god, I'm good at faking it. Yes, Now,

953
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: you're so lovable. You're such a lovable person, Ken, Yes, man,

954
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: I am so honored to get to share this experience

955
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: with you of being on a TV show. It's crazy.

956
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: I can't believe we did it, but we did.

957
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.

958
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: We got to work together, we got to meet each other,

959
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: and I'm sad to say I will never talk to

960
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: you again. After we get off the Zoom.

961
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: Ros hernand Dance. You almost hit me emotional. I almost

962
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: had a little moment where I got teary eyed because

963
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say something sweet. I

964
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: should have known better. I should have just known better.

965
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: I apologize, Ken, but we will not be airing this episode.

966
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: This was my way of saying goodbye. I want it

967
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: to be clear that it's very fun to bully Ken,

968
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: because you have such a lovable laugh and you know

969
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: that I'm joking and anytime someone as sweet as can be,

970
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: I like to knock them down a few pegs.

971
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: I love you making fun of me.

972
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: You're so fun to make finne Hey tell people where

973
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: you want to find you what you got going on.

974
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: You can go to Kenboggle dot com. If you want

975
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 3: to contact me for conventions or something like that, you

976
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: can do so on the contact page. If you like

977
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: to have a reading, which I do private readings, either

978
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: in person, on phone or video, you can go to

979
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 3: the readings page and fill out the contact form there

980
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: and my new assistant will be in touch.

981
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: Also, if anyone happens to be in a gas station

982
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: in the Kentucky area, go to the hot dog area.

983
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: This is not an nuendo. No, Ken Boggle loves a

984
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: gas station hot dog, and on at least one occasion,

985
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: I was in a car with you with the windows

986
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: rolled up because it was cold out, and the smell

987
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: that was coming from that backseat has not left my nose.

988
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: I do not like the smell of hot dogs or

989
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: ketchup or pickles or any of that.

990
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: I eat them naked. I just love a good plane.

991
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 3: Just a roller dog baby right between the bun Oh.

992
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying you get naked when you

993
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: eat those.

994
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: No, I eat, you know, hot dogs naked without anything

995
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: on them.

996
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 1: You know you made it sound like you get fully

997
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: naked when you eat a gas station hot dog raws.

998
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 3: I did not make it.

999
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: Guess you did. You said I eat gas station hot

1000
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: dogs naked?

1001
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: Said I eat them naked? I would. Now I hear it,

1002
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: Now I hear it. Yes, okay, my apologies.

1003
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: So to be clear for the record, Ken Boggle does

1004
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: not get butt naked and gas stations and start eating

1005
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: hot dogs.

1006
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: I wait until I get home, like anybody else who

1007
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 3: is brought up right.

1008
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: And then you take off all your clothes.

1009
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god, just mean a bowler hat.

1010
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: Ken, This is inappropriate.

1011
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 3: I've loved it. Thank you for having me.

1012
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for doing it.

1013
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 3: Ken, It's my pleasure, baby.

1014
00:55:52,640 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: Bye bye. Thank you so much to Ken Boggle and

1015
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: his hats. You know he was wearing one of those

1016
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: hats when we were talking. Hey, check out the show.

1017
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: It's called Living for the Dead and it is streaming

1018
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: now on Hulu. Tell your friends about it. Thank you

1019
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: so much for listening to this podcast. I love you all,

1020
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you

1021
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt mekay By. This has been

1022
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience

1023
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes

1024
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: I'll even call you. So email me at ghosted by

1025
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: Roz at gmail dot com. You can send a DM

1026
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: or voice message to the show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz.

1027
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: Give us a follow while you're there, and follow me

1028
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: Roz on Instagram at Roz Hernandez, and on TikTok and

1029
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: Twitter at it's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the

1030
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.

1031
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie

1032
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.

1033
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten.

1034
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: My theme music is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.

1035
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying

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00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the

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Speaker 1: Spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.