WEBVTT - EP 92 Sharks and Demons 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:05.920 When I right, y'all all across the USC Compton Watts 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.879 Day to l A, come on the California the Valley. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.400 We represent that kind of county. So if you're keeping 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.040 it real on your side of your town, you tune 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:22.320 into Gangster Chronicles. Gangster Chronic Goals are gonna tell you 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.640 how we go. If I like my nose a girl 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.920 like Pinocchio, We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.800 but the truth. Gangster Chronicals. This is not your average show. 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.879 You're now tuned into the Reil m c a Day 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:45.800 James and Big Still from the Streets. Hello, where you act? 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.040 This is o G Gangster Granny and Against the Chronicles 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.520 podcast is back in effect. Thank you for tuning into 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.880 another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. Make sure you 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.320 download I Heard That and subscribe to the gainst the 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.120 Chronicles for my Apple users, hit that Purple Mike when 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.720 your front screens described to Against the Chronicles and leave 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.000 a five star rateing in comment. And we have a 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.399 very very special guest in the house and night. We 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.679 have a man with thirty plus years in the music 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.600 and management business and he's touched on something everybody on 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.000 the West Coast He's a pivotal figure on the West Coast. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.880 Um the former co owner of Shepherd Lane Records, UM 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.960 that brought us such people as DJ Quick, Sugar Free, 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.080 the late Great Marsburg managed Battle Kat. Let's introduce some 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.400 stand Shepard. How you doing. That's a blest, It's a 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.360 pleasure to be here, young brother. Thank you for having me. 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.000 We don't have to have you because this is your 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.959 first interview ever. This is the first interview I've done 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.160 in forty years. I have never done an interview before 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:48.120 before a variety of reasons, and one of the main 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.040 the main reason was because when I was working with 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:55.440 Shepherd Lane and we had all the success that we had, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:02.400 I was threatened by kidnappings every every week. Not only 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:08.440 was I threatened by kidnappings, we had eighteen murders, including 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:13.960 my closest friend, events who traveled with me for many 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:21.200 years from Compton, and I love that man, and so 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.600 many people that I knew over a death row and 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:30.880 the Shepherd Lane are now dead. And when I look back, 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.520 I think of the violence that occurred all across Compton 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.600 and it's sickening. And right now it's still the same 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.280 thing I was told by my contacts, and Compton don't 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.840 even come there now, don't even tell people to come 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:53.000 there because there's a violent conflict going on across the city. Yes, 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.959 and so I'm tapped in from Kelly Park on down 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.160 the looters part. So there's nobody I don't know them. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.760 And if I don't know you as a shop caller, 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.040 the people next to me know you, and I can 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:11.000 at least talk to you. So in Los Angeles people 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:18.239 must understand. Across the world, there's something different about Compton. Compton, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:24.679 as explained to me, is an entity into itself, and 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:30.920 either even in the prison system, Compton both Blood excuse me, 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:35.200 both powerus and crypts bond together to protect one another. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:40.320 And they're not gonna let outsiders get anybody from Compton. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.040 They'll go when it's in prison, they'll go back and 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:48.000 deal with it later. But people from Compton have a 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.000 way of sticking together even in the prison system. That's 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:55.080 different from anywhere iness world. And believe me, I've been 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.440 involved in a lot of situations where I can compare 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:03.360 it to things. Stand when you say, when you said business, 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.560 you mean visits with Kenny. Yes, oh man, that was 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:12.880 my rider. Die right there now, I know. That's what 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.640 I'm saying. Vince was the first. Vincent was the first 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.560 person who came to me in a sit down meeting 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:27.720 and says, stand, we need you, we want you to 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:36.560 help with DJ Quick. Quick was in a difficult situation 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:43.960 your Profile records at the time, and I intervened and 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.000 I got Profiled to back off some of the demands 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.760 that they were making for Quick because one of my 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:58.680 strong points is I am attorney based. And when I 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.320 say attorney based, yeah, there's nothing that goes on in 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:06.800 the music industry without the attorneys doing it. So I 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.600 don't care if you're a president, I don't care what 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.880 you do of your company. Unless the attorneys say it's 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.320 a done deal, it's not. So therefore, I'm saying that 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.919 to say I know just about everything that's going on 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:26.080 with everybody's business because I'm that connected. And when I 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.920 went to work with Shephard Lane and doing what I 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:35.440 was doing, Vincent was a person with with tone that 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:41.119 traveled me all the time. And all of the people 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:47.880 that death Row from rock Chisholm down to um Um 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:52.240 which is the name of heron all these guys. I 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.839 used to go there, all of the time because you 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:02.200 know why, James, You know why because at that time 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:09.480 Capitol Records was trying to buy death Row. Nobody knew it. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:17.880 So Capitol Records gave me a deal financed my label. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.520 Nor did I find out what they were doing until 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.640 after the deal was over. They gave me a label 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.840 deal because they knew of my connection to leave Forward 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:39.479 and to Chill Nate. That's with me where and not 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.840 when I was dealing with him. Now I was dealing 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.120 directly with the chairman and the president. His name was 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:50.080 Gary Gersh and they called me behind the scenes to 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.279 take the president of Capital Records back and forth to 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.960 meet Chill to negotiate the deal. That went on for 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.799 about two months. We thought we had the deal done, 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:08.960 but then Mr Bronfman from m c A, the owner 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.800 of Seagram's, flew in on a late night flight and 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:18.280 closed the deal. So I was able to see everything 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:24.200 up close and everybody up close, and so everybody at 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:29.360 death Row I knew very well. And because lee Ford 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.920 has so much cloud, it was kind of easy to me. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:39.880 He introduced me Norman and eight Lee Ford introduced me 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:47.520 to James. Mhmm. Now I managed James, so it's a 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:53.040 situation where I just want to do whatever I can 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:58.400 do to help, as I said before, but I also 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:03.440 know how thirty this businesses, and I know how to 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:10.160 clean stuff up, right because I'm attorney based exactly. And 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.880 with that being said, Stan, you're the clean up man, right, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.520 which is initially why you were bought into this situation 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.080 to help broken that deal between Capital and There for 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:24.000 a record, right, Yes, they the president of Capital and 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.200 the chairman of Capital could get Jimmy Ivan to the table, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.480 who was the owner of Interscope who was distributing death 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.720 row at the time, but they couldn't get shipped to 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.960 the table. So it was a deal that was going nowhere. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.600 So they offered us a percentage of whatever if the 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.640 deal went down. They paid us some money to go 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:51.439 back and forth. But it didn't work out. And the 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.280 cold blood thing about it, let me tell you how 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.760 evil it is is that now. Remember they hired me, 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.800 told me all this good stuff, oh standard this, and 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:07.000 you're that. When the deal did not go through for Capital, 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.160 I went up to talk to them to say, hey, 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.040 you know, I'm sorry it didn't work out. They banned 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:20.240 me from the building. They used to do that a 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:24.920 lot back in the days, did you hear me? They 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:30.679 and me from the building because I had quote unquote 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:37.959 gang connections, but the same gang connections that I had 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.559 brought me to you to give me a multi whatever 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.440 deal for my first label. And understand something. My label 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:53.360 was called g Vine Entertainment and it was the first 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:59.440 hardcore rap music label and the history of Capitol Records 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.000 and it's and I did the deal with DJ Battlecat, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:11.120 and as soon as the deal with SUG fell through, 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.679 they banned me from the building and said I was 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:20.920 a threat because I had access to SUG. My friend 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.479 was Harry Oh. For twenty seven years, I was involved 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.679 with people from the streets that had clout and they said, oh, 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.520 he's too dangerous to be up in here, because if 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.520 anything goes wrong, there's a problem. No, the reason they 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:40.120 didn't want me up in their James eight and norm 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:44.800 is because I know how they run their games. I 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.560 know what they do, I know how they cheat and steal. 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.720 So when Stan comes in the room, uh uh, we 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.560 can't run these games on this fool right now. And 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:02.080 they don't want to see me. But guess what, I'm quiet. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.760 I'm quiet in the background, and people call me. Even 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.040 from the major labels, they stand, we're dealing with so 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:10.880 and so. We're dealing with so and so. Are they cool? 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:17.320 This is a dirty business. It's a dirty business. And 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.480 I don't trust anyone in this business because they will change. 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:27.679 They will change on you. And in Los Angeles, if 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.640 you're not connected to some pie rows or some crips 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.120 or some or some bloods, you ain't got no cloud. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.520 You got nothing. And the A and R directors don't 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.320 want to deal with you. First thing they asked you, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.920 who are you connected with? Who can you hook me 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.760 up with? Norm? You know what I'm talking about. They 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.200 do it to you all the time. Yeah, I know 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.720 exactly what you're talking about. Because when I was A 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.719 and R over at Mind of music, you know, when 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.160 I'm signing an artist, that's when I realized. I thought 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:00.920 I had some power, but I had a pin with 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.720 no incumit. You had some situations to where you saved 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:09.720 the well known singer's life. What happened was that I 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:14.080 was coming from a studio recording session and I was 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:18.319 coming down the street in Los Angeles. It's called Beverly Boulevard. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.520 There was a recording studio over there called Lions Share 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.520 at that time, and it was a very popular place 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:30.920 for recording artists. Well, I'm coming from a meeting and 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.640 it was the past twelve midnight and in the middle 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.400 of the road I see this man laying out and 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:44.760 he's waving his arm. So, being paranoid like I always am, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.480 I thought it was a set up. So I stopped 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.280 and I looked, and I said, man, let me go 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.680 help this man. And when I got closer, I saw 0:12:54.800 --> 0:13:00.520 blood spurting out of different locations on his body, and 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:07.080 I was actually dropped, uh dodging blood spurts. And when 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.720 I got to him, I saw it was Melvin Franklin 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:14.800 with The Temptations of Bass singer, and he had been 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:19.720 shot multiple times. He had been robbed coming out the 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.920 studio and the guy shot him twice and then the 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.720 third time he shot him. The only reason he let 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.480 him live is because Melvin yelled out, I'm Melvin Franklin 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:36.000 from the Temptations, Please don't kill me. Well, the guy relented, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:42.440 got in Melvin's car, drove off around the corner. There 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.200 was very little gas in the car, and he pulled 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.520 up to the gas tank, filled the gas tank up 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:54.679 and killed the attendant and drove off. This was a 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.840 pardon me, This wasn't in the movement. No, there was 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.280 something they you know, it was something nobody wanted to 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.439 go into. Was very violent. And what happened at that 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:11.040 point I took off I had. I was twenty six 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.680 at the time. I was just out the military, and 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.520 I knew how to stop bleeding. So I took off 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.480 my shoes and tied my socks around the wounds to 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.680 stop the flow of the blood, and I loaded him 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.000 into my car and I took him to the hospital. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.040 And they said if he didn't get there ten minutes early, 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.080 he would have bled to death. Now here's the here's 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.440 the clincher to this. One and a half years later, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:43.200 I was hired by Motown Records to produce the Temptations. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:49.640 I walked into the studio. I hadn't seen Melvin since 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:54.600 he was shot and Motown filmed it, and he turned 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.440 around and he saw me, says, wait a minute, you're 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.120 the person to save my life and now producing a record. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.800 And the record I produced on them was called Special 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.120 and it turned out to be their album title, and 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.680 it turned out to be a massive hit single for them. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:18.840 So I'm very proud about that. You stand you. You're 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.160 a little smoothie rousing up. Well, you know what. I 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.640 had a great career, James. I had a great career 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:32.480 at Motown. I produced six top ten records and one 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.640 number one record. I produced the Temptations. I produced a 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.640 Need to Point and Point of Sisters. I produced Gerald Dalston, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.920 who was the lead singer to Manhattan's you Know, Kissing 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.000 Kiss and Say Goodbye and Shining Star. I did all 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.880 those and I worked in the A and R and 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:56.120 music production for many years. And a side note, I 0:15:56.200 --> 0:16:00.280 had an R and B group called By All Means 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.040 and I signed them. It was my first deal ever. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.880 It was in eighties seven, and I signed him to 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:12.640 Island Records and we did a remake of the Marvin 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:14.680 Gay song called Let's Get It On and went to 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.880 number three in the country, and it solidified my career. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.480 And that's when I went to Motown. Mr Gordy and 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.960 Gerald Busby offered me a beautiful deal to come there, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.160 and I stayed at Motown for five years until I 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.480 joined Jermaine Jackson because the Jackson family asked me to 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.920 come on and work with them, and I did that. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:39.160 For two years. After that, I was introduced to a 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:45.000 young man named harry O and DJ Battlecat. Now, how 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.560 do you feel about harry O? Me at home? I talked. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:53.320 I communicated with harry O last night via text. I'm 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.440 not bothering him because he's adjusting to everything in his life. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.560 And Uh, I have talked to I called it Michael. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.240 I have talked to Michael every year for twenty seven years. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.840 I'm very emotional when I talk about that man. Okay, So, 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.320 I mean he's he's my partner man. So he started 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:20.000 he started with me with battle Cat. Understand something when 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:25.320 I tell you this. We've never met in person, me 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.920 and Harriet. It's all been since he's been incarcerated. He 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:35.760 trusts me. I trust him, and that's where we are today. 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.840 It's a bond and anything he asks of me is 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.080 going to be done to the best of my ability. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.880 It's as simple as that. I love that man. They don't. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.600 They don't find too many people in this world that 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.960 you can call a friend. Since I've known you, That's 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.400 how I've been feeling since they won and I met 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.639 you over there at the house in Beverly Hills. Uh. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.879 Just good people. Staying. Thank you, James, you go, thank you. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:14.120 I really appreciate that I misunderstood just because I work 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.320 with gang members and just because I work with people 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.200 from the streets. Don't don't tell me I can't come 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:26.000 into your offices. Don't tell me you don't want to 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.720 call me back because you man if something go wrong. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.000 Let me tell you something, all of you, all of you, 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:41.640 and that is the most evil backstabbing people in business 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.640 work at the major labels, and if you don't check them, 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.879 they'll check you. I am not a person that turns 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.280 to the other cheek. You slap me, I'm gonna try 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.840 to slap you back, James. Let me tell you something, 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.280 all of you guys, I come from seven in nine 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.119 Street on the South side of Chicago, gang banging up 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:08.760 until I was twenty six. I had twenty two fights 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:18.000 and lost all twenty two. I became a virtual psychotic person, 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.240 and any time you even look like you were going 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:24.400 to threaten me, it brought back memories. And I'm quite 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.840 sure if anybody has been gang banging for any amount 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.359 of time, if anybody looks like they're gonna do something, 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:35.560 if you've been harmed before, it's a defensive mechanism, right, 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.639 and that's what it is for me. And sometimes even 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.880 at my old age, right now, I still never left 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:49.560 seventy nine Street. It's still in my soul because whatever 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:55.760 you experience growing up, it stays with you. I was 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.360 one of the first, and I want you to hear this. 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:04.159 I one of four of the first gangster disciples on 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:10.720 Sunday Night Street. And my history is there was I tough. No, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:17.000 I was a scared fifteen year old that wanted to 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.760 be accepted and I was beating up daily and I 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.439 got tired of getting beaten up, so I said, let 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.800 me join the g DS. You get some protection. It 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:32.639 wasn't because I was a maniact wanted to do some wrong. No, 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.520 I was scared. And if anybody has been beaten up 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.720 real bad, you don't want to see that again. You 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:41.720 don't want to experience that again. And it made me 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.240 a different type of person, getting my butt whip twenty 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:49.240 two times and never winning. So when I came to 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:53.879 Compton and I started working with Shuk, I started working 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:59.240 with everybody involved with my label, with Shepherd Lane Man. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.480 By the time people got to me, I was looking 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.879 at them with horns in their head. I said, if 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:11.240 anybody came towards me with anything, they got trouble because 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.720 I'm panic stricken. I've seen too much death in Compting, 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:25.240 eight of my friends dead. So what you said, how 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.160 would you say, you know, the transition of coming from 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.960 the time when you first started in business, and you're 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.159 like you said, we've all seen our our scales of 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.560 violence or perhaps, but you don't venture into the rapt 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.000 game and come into Compton, which you say that was 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:46.480 a whole different story altogether. Let me say this. I've 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:51.720 been to the Marsha projects in New York. I've been 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:55.679 on Sevenday Night Street, I've been I drive past Old 0:21:55.680 --> 0:22:01.359 Block every day here in Chicago. I've dealt with every aspect. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:06.960 My son is with the role of sixties. So we 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:11.840 got a situation where I can look back and I 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:20.280 can see how vicious it became. Compton is totally different 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:25.960 from Watts, Compton is totally different from South Central, and 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:32.080 Compton doesn't usually like to associate with outsiders. It just 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:39.159 doesn't happen. And I know if there's twenty seven hoods 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.560 from through town, all down, all the way down, I 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:49.359 know these guys. I know the South Side people, and 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:54.200 it's totally different. These people are Compton is more meticulous. 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.800 If Compton wants to hit you, there's already been a 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:06.000 plan laid out. It ain't and these people know, they 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:12.360 know what they're doing. I saved another man's life from 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:16.080 New York. You know what his name is. He's never 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.680 heard what I'm getting ready to say. It's gonna shock 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:25.760 him for you. Well, no producer for Public Enemy, for 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:32.920 the group Public Enemy, Yes, yes you are. His name 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:38.880 is Hank Shockley. He let me tell you what happened, 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:43.200 and I'll be bullet point you. There was a young 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:45.879 group from Watts, young man from Watts that I was 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:51.439 represented name Filthy Frank. I had a deal at the 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:55.320 time for Filthy Frank with a record company who was 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:57.560 run by a man by the name of Al Bell. 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.520 He used to have this big hit record called Whooped 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:05.199 There it is okay, it's called Bellmark Records. Well, he 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:09.080 wanted to get into the rap game, and I took 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:13.160 him the Filthy Frank project. Oh I love it. Stand 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.880 Here's a hundred and seventy five dollar deal at that time. 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:20.639 That's a lot of money for an unproven artist. So 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:27.160 he says, here's uh, prepare the paperwork. I called my artists, 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.760 so this is what we got. He said, oh man, 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:34.320 that's great. So then the following day, I have a 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.200 meeting at m c A with the head of A 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:43.520 and R. Her name was Madeleine and at that time 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:50.680 Madeleine's boss was Hank Shockly, okay, well, Madeleine heard what 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.960 she said, Stan, what are you working on? And I said, 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.000 I'm working on this project for from an act out 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.840 of what can I hear it? I said, yeah, you 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.960 can hear it? I played it for She went crazy. 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.640 She said, Stan, what what deal have you signed? I said, 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.040 I haven't signed anything yet. I said, I have an offer, 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.040 but I haven't signed a deal. She says, I'll beat 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.760 it by a hundred thousands. Whatever you've got. I said, 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:16.719 you give me two seventy five because that's what I got. 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:20.600 I got one seventy five. She said yes. I said, okay, 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:25.720 I called my artist. Let's roll. He went from one 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:29.520 seventy five to seventy five and twenty four hours, So 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:34.480 everybody's happy, right, Okay. So now fast forward. She says 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:38.480 she's going to get the paperwork together for two weeks 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:46.080 past three weeks past, no paperwork. I called up. I said, 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:52.080 what what's going on? Where's the paperwork? I don't know, 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.240 I don't know what's happening. I'm checking with my boss 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:59.080 in New York and I'm not getting a response on this. 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:07.760 I said, whoa. Now, remember this is this is this 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:13.960 is at the height of the East Coast West Coast drama. Okay, Well, 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:19.120 at that time, DJ Quick, who I was managing, did 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:22.640 a drop, and the drop for Power one O six 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:28.320 radio station said quote, I am no longer a supporter 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:35.120 of East Coast rap. That was the drop. Well, New 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:39.639 York heard of that. The executives in New York said, 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:46.760 do not deal withstand he represents gangs on the West Coast, 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:51.200 and DJ quit Mossburg Sugar Free. He's too involved with 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:56.320 So they never called me back. After two months, I 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.600 had to tell the artist, guess what your two seventy 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:04.320 five went down to drive? All right, fast forward, we're 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:08.040 having and you I don't know if you guys remember 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:12.119 this place it was. It was on nor It was 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.919 norm Nixon's place with his wife. It was called George's 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:21.120 and it was on uh it was in Hollywood. Well, 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:25.359 at that particular night, that we went. There was nine 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:30.399 of us and I had four saman bodyguards. None of 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:35.200 them were under I think three and fifty pounds. And 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:41.879 as we went into this restaurant for this joyous occasion, 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:48.359 Hanks Shockley walks in. I said, oh, this is great. 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.320 I get to talk to him in person, because I 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.640 haven't caught haven't called him in two months to talk 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.840 about what happened with the deal. Well, he was with 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:59.359 two people and I walked up to him at the 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:03.200 bar and I said, oh, Hank man, I'm so glad 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.639 to see you. And as soon as I started to 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:11.040 talk to him, he had two young men with him 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.719 who came in front of him and pointed at me 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:19.119 and said, get away. We don't want to talk to 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:24.160 you about this s H I t tonight. Well, unfortunately 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:29.400 they didn't know that all of our people were there, 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:35.200 and they saw him point and get aggressive. Lo and behold, 0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.760 now I have eight people coming to do damage to 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:43.680 these three people from New York. I asked them to stop, 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:50.000 and I escorted Hank Shockly and his two men to 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.160 their car and I got him out of there. What 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:59.280 I didn't know was that they were followed when they 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:04.440 left and I get a call about thirty minutes later, 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:11.720 and they said, Stan, when we got to Homie pulling 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:16.560 in to the hotel, we can get him for you 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:21.320 right now and we'll get the other two. I panned, 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:27.600 I said, please, I begged, and James knows the hitters 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.400 that I was with in these James knows these are 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:36.800